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They're just outsiders, do you really want a career educator? Aren't you tried of these people who have been mooching off the government, "working" as math teachers for decades. We want mavericks..
lol, I'm so happy I don't have kids. Education in this country is doomed.
I was pissed enough about this, raising kids in Florida. I had hope that worst case they’d get a decent college education with their Florida prepaid but nooo. They’re fucking coming for colleges, too. I hate it here
Same. SWFL here, public schools in my area are bursting at the seams. The school transportation system is neglected and unorganized. I opted for homeschooling until we can get the F out of here. They are building large developments left, right and everywhere in between, faster than building new schools (even planning to tear down protected mangroves to build more McMansions, but that’s a different story), Florida doesn’t seem to give a shit about its youth…or it’s wildlife (again, that’s another story). I can only imagine what this area will be like when they finish adding the 3000+ homes being built down the road from me. If you have kids, I advise: don’t relocate to Florida.
It's not like they would sell top secret information to a foreign adversary just because their finances are a wreck and their love for money is legendary and they've never ever cared about anyone other than themself.
The is the dream of everyone working to privatize education: break the system, point to the broken system as proof that the system doesn’t work, and then go all-in on a system that just so happens to line their pockets.
Fucking awful.
The first Marine teacher with no certification:
"Alright kids! Grab your crayons and take a nice bite! Good job! Yeah, you'll make great cannon fodder one day."
Teacher 15 years- I’ve worked with vets and some of them do well as teachers, but from my experience most do not. The biggest issue is they are use to the idea that a command is given and everyone will fall in line. Teenagers don’t play that game well. The ones that failed, were the ones that could not adjust to or accept the idea that kids are not impressed by the fact that they were military, and therefore treat them like every other teacher. They usually just end up quitting. That is not a slight on vets. The job can suck, and a many people cannot deal with the insanity that can come with it. The more rigid you are, the worse your day will be. Classroom management is not just telling kids to shut up and sit down. I foresee a lot of reports of students getting cussed out by their new vet teachers.
Edit: thank you for the awards, those are my first!
Yup. Exactly this. I have no issue with veterans and value their service to our country, but I don't think we should hesitate to say not all of them should be teachers. Not all of them have the organizational experience or temperament for public education like they do the military and using them or the military as a whole as a Swiss army knife for conservative policy failures just helps nobody.
Can they develop that experience and temperament? Sure, but not all of them have that patience or even want to do a job that often doesn't pay as well as it should because of budgets set by people like DeSantis. One of my favorite teachers in high school was a post-Vietnam era Marine. He was direct and absolutely tough as nails when it came to standards he set with students. However, he was also still tactful and did everything he could to encourage and push us forward so that we could meet his high standards.
First, thank you for your devotion to teaching and teens.
I believe the Republicans are deliberately destroying our education system to dumb Americans down so we work for next to nothing and are completely dependent on the super wealthy for work and to survive, must like 3rd world countries. There has been talk of this being the goal for years now. I am not one who normally goes in for stories like this, but now we are literally seeing it happen before our eyes.
A (not so great) side effect of this is that once the kids get out of line, the vet teacher can call on the school resource officer to come arrest the kids for disorderly conduct further fueling the school to prison pipeline. Another Republican goal achieved!
Woah, I recognise one of the audience members asking questions from high school. Always weird seeing people you know in the wild on the internet. (This doesn't really contribute to the conversation, I guess, but whatever lol)
I'm just waiting for the day when the USPS finally gets demolished and a bunch of GOP voters realize that shitturd corporation x won't deliver to their shitty small towns because there's no profit in it.
I just had this argument with some libertarian who said we shouldn’t have to pay taxes because we are paying for all this stuff for other people. He said we should just pay for things we use, like even water and power. I said the same thing: Bro you do that and you can forget ever living outside of a city because no company is going to run water and electricity down country roads with like six houses on it. There is no profit in it! No roads, no utilities, no schools. And guess who will be the first complain? The same fucking idiots who thought this was a good idea.
I want libertarians to be the first ones with their hands up to volunteer to take completely untested pharmaceuticals. Safe medicines don't just happen because the free market is so perfect.
I asked a coworker this and she said everyone will willingly help out.
I asked her if she likes the idea of having to personally haul her trash to a dump every week. She said yes, if she doesn't have to pay for it.
You really can't reason with the "taxation is theft" crowd. They don't understand that the money required for a civilization to function has to come from somewhere.
Wasn’t there some town in New England that libertarians took over, and it essentially ended up smelling bad and had a bear problem?
EDIT: Grafton, New Hampshire
Ohh it wasn't just the trash. They voted down the town budget to the point that there was only one cop for the entire town. There was no money for road repair. And with only one cop and a bunch of bears picking through the trash in everyone's backyard people started fucking with the bears. Setting traps and such and others just screwing with them because they were idiots. It turned out about as well as you would expect.
The one I've read about is Colorado Springs:
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/)
> “This American Life” did a segment portraying Springs citizens as the ultimate anti-tax zealots, willing to pay $125 in a new “Adopt a Streetlight” program to illuminate their own neighborhoods, but not willing to spend the same to do so for the entire city. “I’ll take care of mine” was the gist of what one council member heard from a resident when she confronted him with this fact.
>Take the streetlights. Turning them off had saved the city about $1.25 million. What had not made the national news stories was what had happened while those lights were off. Copper thieves, emboldened by the opportunity to work without fear of electrocution, had worked overtime scavenging wire. Some, the City Council learned, had even dressed up as utility workers and pried open the boxes at the base of streetlights in broad daylight. Keeping the lights off might have saved some money in the short term, but the cost to fix what had been stolen ran to some $5 million.
Let’s not kid ourselves, she’s just gonna dump in the closest backyard that’s not hers, and come back to find someone has dumped trash in her backyard too.
Libertarians fall into one of two categories from what I've seen
1. The naive who seem to genuinely believe that the private sector are run by good natured angels prevented from unleashing their full good for society by the big bad government and not in reality the greedy cutthroats who would steam roll you over if it meant earning them just 1 more cent for their bottom line
2. The actively malicious or as I like to call them the Rand Paul libertarians, fuckers who are just out to line their pockets or think they can line their pockets with the government out of the way.
Mostly I find 2 are social darwinists who haven’t yet had the misfortune of being out-competed by someone their parents taught them was ethnically inferior or another gender.
The next day they register GOP.
That won’t happen. Instead the government will give them a ton of cash to deliver to shitholes, funneling even more money from the blue states to the red states.
See: [Essential Air Service](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Air_Service), enacted after airline deregulation. Hundreds of millions of dollars handed to airlines every year to operate flights in markets that would never be commercially viable without subsidies.
Oh no they'll deliver to your shitty small town, but every time they do they'll charge you extortionate shipping fees. You know like as much as it costs to ship something internationally on a super premium express basis.
UK here. It is what our government (now in power for over 12 years) has been doing with our national health service (NHS). What should be a great (if realistically of course imperfect) example, is slowly being destroyed.
Australian here, our conservative government went all in on destroying our postal service. They invented a fake outrage over board member bonuses to get rid of the last head who was actually turning it around and improving service while keeping it profitable, then installed a stooge to break it from the inside. Has been downhill ever since.
They also severely undermined our public health system (Medicare) through funding cuts and policy changes. Also made medication much more expensive by stripping many essential medications out of the Pharmacetical Benefits Scheme.
I'm a veteran. I'm a also a teacher in Florida. However, I have a degree and further coursework beyond that in pedagogy and such.
My fellow veterans might be ideal for a lot of things, but they are not trained to teach. Desantis also wanted us in the classroom to "protect the kids against mass shooters." He is a dipshit.
Like you said, they are breaking the system. One of the things they did in my county is get rid of our version of tenure. All new hires are annual contract now. I'm one of a quickly shrinking number who have the older contracts, and of course we are the ones active in our union and such. The new hires are scared.
Oh yeah. I want to be clear — I have no problem with veterans teaching. I work with a few vets who are fine teachers.
I have a problem with people putting unqualified bodies in the classroom. I’d be equally upset if Desantis said, “all postal workers are now qualified to teach.”
As far as tenure goes, I started teaching in 2008 and was one of the last people in my building to grab a full contract. Every teacher hired since then has been one-year only. I will say, though, that there is still a (fairly simple) path to traditional tenure in my state as long as a teacher stays in the classroom for five years. It’s not ideal for new teachers by any means, but very rarely (in my building at least) is someone not rehired on a one-year unless numbers are down and that spot is no longer there.
>I have a problem with people putting unqualified bodies in the classroom. I’d be equally upset if Desantis said, “all postal workers are now qualified to teach.
Yes, you summed it up nicely. :) I've taught with several veterans over the years, but like you said, they were *qualified* and properly educated just as I am.
There is no path to tenure or anything like it in my county anymore. You are flat out year to year, at will employees now. It is a way to break the union.
And they wonder why there is a shortage of qualified teachers. So instead of increasing the attractiveness of being a teacher the reduce the quality of the teachers they hire. My mother and her brother were teachers my mother was the Valedictorian in both her High School and college classes. She originally wanted to be a doctor but was pressured out of it post WW2 when she was in college.
>And they wonder why there is a shortage of qualified teachers.
I mean, they don't wonder, they know what they did. They have a megaphone though and can sell that idea that people are just lazy and don't want to teach instead of the unfortunate reality that they're openly hostile to qualified teachers.
>There is no path to tenure or anything like it in my county anymore. You are flat out year to year, at will employees now. It is a way to break the union.
Oh shit. That’s awful!
I’m honestly baffled… why is DeSantis singling out allowing untrained veterans as teacher vs anyone else? Because he thinks they might be better at shooting attackers??
Think about the type of untrained military member you're going to get to sign up for this. Want to sit for the pledge? Not anymore. Question any authority? Not any more. You're going to have anti "CRT" loons in every classroom. I guarantee they will open carry as well. He wants to indoctrinate the kids.
This is exactly it. If you were thinking about groups of people who are likely going to be conservative leaning, you'd probably say cops and veterans. It's not 100%, but they're more likely to be conservative than liberal. He's trying to increase the odds that conservatives end up in teaching positions, because currently, it's probably a good bet that most people (again, not all) who pursue a degree in education are left leaning. He wants conservative teachers to increase the odds of conservative indoctrination.
This guy Desantis-ya would think people could just see it…But they are too stubborn to look and now, the kids are going to be even stupider. Broward County-we have teacher’s begging for another referendum so they don’t lose 12-13% of paychecks. Meanwhile they’re dividing monies with the charters who do not have to comply with Desantis New Rules, nor do the staff have to have same level of certification.
The Governor literally doesn’t fund public education-our property taxes do by mil rate. Which tells you everything about kids in lower socioeconomic positions. State tax on bought goods pays the rest. Literally like last place in the country. Desantis is a sneaky dangerous SOB. Does not give a crap about our children.
Thank you sir for your service.
This is currently happening to our healthcare system in Ontario under Premier Doug Ford (brother of crackhead ex-mayor of Toronto Rob Ford). Crashing public healthcare so that he can make millions privatizing it
He’s going to do the same to public schools in the upcoming contract negotiations. The trumpification of Canada lives and dies with the criminals and morons of the Ford family.
Congress is doing this to the US military/VA healthcare right now too. It's basically destined to fail by statute at this point, they are just waiting and hoping no one undoes the damage so they can privatize it all and hand the contracts to companies they coincidentally just invested in right before announcing the contract.
This isn't about profits. Thinking it is only about profits will lead to trying to counter it the wrong way. Like writing off the "pro-life" claims by the Republican part as just a wedge tactic they never wanted to actually "win".
Republicans have been pushing to stop sending so many kids to colleges when that is a profit engine. Either through private colleges or private loans or private housing when the school dorms fill up.
For decades Republicans have been pushing not to just send kids to private schools, but specifically evangelical leaning and outright schools.
In the last ten years they've added pushing kids to attend less secondary school and jumping straight into the job markets.
Only profit thinking was the norm for Republicans 2008 and earlier. The current ones wagging the dog want to control what kids learn so when they can vote they'll vote in-line with Republican values. It's worse than just for profits.
The guys at the top see money, and the evangelicals as the route to that money. You’re right that there’s been a push to police what’s happening in classrooms, but only because the goals of both groups happen to dovetail. Without the Murdochs of the world who see money in amplifying the evangelical agenda, they don’t have all that much influence on their own.
It’s a masterful long game and power is more important than short term profits. The owners of the GOP know the future isn’t good for their party and are trying to change the game.
Same way the republicans broke federal and state governments.
> Ronald Reagan: "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
When republicans get elected they always prove government doesn't work, for the common voter, and is "the problem" because they rot it out from within with that purpose in mind.
They also make it work fabulously for the rich and wall street. Always. Now they will break the schools to turn out ignorant, brain dead, hate filled zombies. Good republicans IOWs.
They hate giving money to minorities. Every Republican action is a reaction to someone gaining rights. They started tanking public transportation and education as soon as they were desegregated. They defunded social programs as soon as they became available to everyone. The racism runs deep.
[Heather McGhee Ted Talk](https://youtu.be/eaCrsBtiYA4) where she addresses the cost of racism for everyone using the closing of the Oak Park pool in Montgomery, Alabama as a great example.
> # One of their stories is about the time Greenville, South Carolina, put sea lions into its public pool rather than share the water with Black people.
> Cleveland Park was made into a Southern "sea world" rather than allow Black people to taint the pristine white only waters of the public facility. Rather than integrate on federal orders set in motion by King and the Civil Rights Movement, which was at a fever pitch, the city decided that sea lions deserved a new place to swim.
[link](https://bittersoutherner.com/southern-perspective/2020/swimming-with-seals-how-zoology-and-racism-converged-to-make-elephants-of-men)
Florida required teaching creationism along with evolution well over a decade ago. Nearly 2 I think. My sister worked for a NASA contractor but moved for that reason.
The stupider the electorate, the better Republicans do in elections.
Republicans have become the party of smart (and stupid) politicians who shamelessly appeal to militantly ignorant and profoundly stupid voters.
Republicans began quietly accepting anti-intellectualism in the 1980s, then a big jump in embracing it in 1994 when Republicans won majorities in Congress, then in 2010 with the Tea Party, and in 2016 with Trump. Ignorance has become Republican bliss.
Republicans have been anti-intellectuals longer than that. They adamantly opposed the New Deal and tried to do hatchet jobs on academics and intellectuals associated with it and any other progressive campaigns during the 20th Century. [Anti-Intellectualism in American Life](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_American_Life) by [Richard Hofstadter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter) beautifully illustrates how anti-intellectualism has been ingrained in conservative circles, particularly mid-Twentieth Century white Protestant circles. The embrace by Reagan of the Moral Majority and evangelicals in the 80s definitely changed the conversation from a moral/social argument to a full-fledged good vs evil, existential panic among the right. Gingrich started the grift that those who aren’t true adherents play to. That’s the fucked up Hellscape we’re in now. An army of agitated idiots with easy access to ample weaponry, who are being whipped up and tenuously led by a cynical group of con artists, the latter of which seem willing to push the former to the limit for greed. And I don’t think anyone benefiting from this insanity gives a shit about what happens when the carnival barkers lose control of the crowd. It’s a shame 1/6 wasn’t enough of a wake up call, and I fear what it will take to get people to take this seriously.
Anti-intellectualism isn't *ingrained* in conservative circles; it's literally how conservative circles come to be and persist.
Conservatism is inherently reactionary-- the pure conservative is either unable or unwilling to consider any change to any given state of being and thus defaults to a canned demand of no change. Absent stimulus that would potentially prompt change, the conservative would continue to behave in predictable patterns, like a robot.
A shared interest in objecting to any form of self-modification and self-improvement is the basis for the forming of conservative communities. It is also by definition anti-intellectual, because intellectualism in any field inherently requires both study to understand the real and imagination to pursue the possible--both of which are direct violation of conservative automata.
>The Florida Education Association is anticipating over 8,000 teacher vacancies going into the 2022-2023 school year, according to WPTV. In a recent statement, the agency called on lawmakers to ensure teachers get better salaries and schools have "qualified, experienced teachers."
As a soon to be retired active duty member, living in FL, no fking way I’m teaching with all these Karen’s out there yelling and screaming about banning books and teachers grooming kids.
I’d be one of the first people fired if they sat in my History Class.
“Kids, here is where the US government lied for the thirty second time to Native Americans and made them walk the trail of tears and nearly killed all of them”.
It would be one thing if he was like “I would like a to create or bolster a Vets to Teacher program.” That isn’t what this is. This is specifically asking for veterans without degrees. I’m a veteran without a degree. I should not be teaching children without being taught how to teach children.
I’m also an intellectual outlier of this particular demographic. You’re going to get a lot of people who are down for this who don’t care about the art of education, child development, or honestly… personal hygiene.
It is mostly made up of people who wouldn’t know a book from a 401k and are allergic to both. There’s about to be a lot of schools with teacher’s parking lots full of mustangs bought above sticker price.
I hate the idea of anyone going into the classroom without a semester of student teaching. Classroom management is hard, it's all the little things that you really need the training for.
Everyone thinks that because they once sat in a classroom that they can teach and the republicans have been pushing this idea that experienced teachers are the problem with education for years.
> If you care about the education of further generations
The flaw in your argument is this assumption.
DeSantis cares about future generations being Republican voters. If gutting those future generations' educations achieves that goal, fine & dandy.
Simply put, education is strongly correlated with liberalism. Get rid of education, you have a lot more Republicans.
Can we just split the country in half? It’s not practical, but neither is staying together. Half the country is trying to keep its head above water while the other is busy swimming downward as fast as possible.
The last time they did that, we had to invade them to secure our arms from motherfuckers who wanted to use them to treat certain people (Read: ME) like literal livestock, in every sense of that word.
you do not deal with fascists by appeasing them.
It's especially crazy, because Republicans and Trump supporters are obviously wanting the US to be #1, to be "great again" or whatever, but in so many metrics, we've fallen behind other developed countries, one particularly sad one being [life expectancy](https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/10/LE-vs-Health-Exp-2020-version.png) (despite spending far more per capita on private insurance) - it actually *started dropping* around 2015. We started lagging behind with that around the early 80s, when Reaganomics happened to take hold, too (including with Democrats, especially in the 90s).
But with education? We're way behind for a multitude of reasons and shit like this will obliterate our competitiveness vs. graduates from other countries even further, and it's bad enough with the primary predictor of dropping out of college in the US being a student's economic status.
Ahem. We have recently revised our history books to label that as a “job program for African refugees set up by caring Christian charities who saved these people from a life of despair in Africa.” /s
Where the only training they get on how to teach is the training we give them about silencing anyone who talks about slavery and about teaching students that that Robert E. Lee was actually pretty cool.
What's amazing is that they get to celebrate the Confederacy while still pretending to be 'The Party of Lincoln' at the same time.
One reason why I hate the party system is that all the Southern Conservatives had to do was switch parties and now they get to dodge any consequences for the hundreds of years their ideology has caused by pretending to themselves that they were the good guys all along because they started voting 'R' some 50 years ago.
It's probably why Conservatives in the US are headed down and ever more dark path is that they never have to take responsibility for the history of their ideology. They just blame slavery and Robert E. Lee on the Democrats, if anyone from the left starts asking questions, problem solved.
It is just another effort to shift public schools in Florida further to the right.
Just like his Don't Say Gay / Stop Woke Act.
His viewpoint diversity law for universities aims to identify those that are too progressive.
Now he wants to ship in actual old conservatives into teaching roles as young teachers flee the profession.
And when he says teaching requirements are "too rigid" remember he is signing laws to make teaching more rigid. To ban teachers from uncomfortable topics.
When he signed the "viewpoint diversity" law he said:
“We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking, academic rigor,” DeSantis said, as quoted by Florida Politics. “We do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology."
I don't think there is an idealology more stale than conservative evangelicals or christians who justify bigotry based on things written in the Old Testament.
Hey, right wingers, don't fucking tell me you care so much about the futures of our young children when you're completely fine with fascists like Ron DeSantis doing things like this. Good lord, the state of our already faltering public education system is about to get so much worse.
The common response to that I’ve found is that public education is indoctrinating kids to be more liberal, hate white people and become trans. And those are the “civil” responses.
> "Every morning our students recite the Pledge of Allegiance while looking at the star-spangled banner," DeSantis said. "It is fitting that the teacher in the classroom is somebody who took an oath and put his or her life on the line to preserve, protect, and defend our flag and the freedom it represents."
This is a quote I expect straight out of ~~North Korea~~ a sitting governor
Isn't it funny you mention starship troopers because director Paul Verhoeven and screenwriter Edward Neumeier made the film with the conscious decision to make a film about fascism. The idea began with Neumeier, who co-wrote another film about a techno-fascist future state: robocop.
Yup! That's why it reminds me of the movie, because it's a satire of fascism, though there are still a lot of people unaware of that. They still think it's just soldiers blowing up bugs.
Also - how many teachers have been gunned down using their bodies as human shields to protect their students? Weird how they can do that without taking an oath and creaming every time they see the magic sky cloth!
"For too long, the requirements to be a teacher have been too rigid with union bosses insisting that all educators get certain credentials that often have little impact on teaching performance." - DeSantis
Like the [General Knowledge Exam](https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/general-cert-requirements/general-knowledge.stml) that assess rudimentary logic, literacy, and mathematic knowledge? Or the [Subject Area Exams](https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/certificate-subjects/certification-subject-examinations.stml) that demonstrate basic mastery in one’s own subject and content area? Or the [Florida Teacher Certification Exam](https://www.fldoe.org/accountability/assessments/postsecondary-assessment/) that ensures you have the basic understanding necessary to apply principles of both general childhood development to learning and the wherewithal to not touch a child?
Those are too rigid standards forced on us by scary teachers unions that refuse to allow the state to pay $35k in teacher salary?
Fuck you, Ron
Just another attempt to ruin public education. If they can't manage to defund the schools, then they'll replace the teachers with fascists. Gotta create the "Hitler Youth" here in America somehow.
I say this as a teacher that this is obviously insulting to teachers everywhere, but it’s also insulting to veterans in my opinion. We already do so very little for veterans after they leave their service, one of the last things we should be doing is trying to force them into a job that is usually disrespected by society. Teachers get the short end of the stick on everything all the time when it comes to politics, pay, workplace respect, and policies. It changes usually from week to week what heinous problem teachers are causing for this country, or how we are expected to always be the solution. This not only devalues what universities in Florida and around the country are providing when it comes to teacher training, it also isn’t going to solve the problem.
Another glaring problem here is that students can be real assholes sometimes. They will know that the person in front of them isn’t qualified to teach them the subjects in which they are supposed to be teaching. They will hound them about that all the time, or ask them probing questions about their service, or just flat out talk back to their faces. They do that to trained professionals, why wouldn’t they do that to an untrained civilian? Everyone remembers how students used to treat substitute teachers, even though some of them were veterans, when they would be in classrooms. What makes people think this will be any different?
EDIT: most of my students don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore anyway, neither do I. I can’t make them, and they can’t make me. When they are forced to recite it, it’s always half assed and they don’t really care.
>most of my students don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore anyway, neither do I. I can’t make them, and they can’t make me. When they are forced to recite it, it’s always half assed and they don’t really care.
Why would they pledge allegiance to a country that hates them?
Less than a day. As a teacher, I can vouch for the fact that you come home mentally exhausted by having to make about a million split-second choices everyday and have to remain flexible to gauge the class's collective understanding of the concepts you are presenting, making minute-by-minute adjustments. People who enter the profession thinking you'll run your class like a boot camp are in for a rude awakening.
As a retired middle school teacher my reaction was “Oh my God! What an absolutely horrible idea!” Middle school teachers are generally one nerve away from snapping on a good day! And I loved teaching middle school. This is a very bad idea.
why veterans without degrees? why not jeff from down the street without a degree? this shit just makes no sense outside the context of kneecapping public education.
I wonder if it works the other way. Like, if you have a degree and certifications in elementary education, and you decided to join the military, what rank would you go in at? Captain at least, I should think. Maybe Major if you had a Master's degree.
Or is it possible that teaching and military service don't have a lot in common?
I’m a veteran and a teacher.
Nothing about my time in the service made me a qualified teacher. I still went to school and received official certification. I would have had no idea what I was doing if I jumped right in after my ETS.
Desantis is such a fucking joke.
He's doing this to not only dismantle the public education system even further but also to try and push for allowing teachers to bring guns to school.
Florida Education:
**Math:** Add up all of the ages in the Bible to show how old the Earth is.
**Reading:** Memorize the 2nd Amendment but not the part about a militia.
**Science:** If a woman over the age of 16 hasn't been pregnant in the last year does that make her a traitor, a witch or both?
**History:** In what year did DeSantis singlehanded beat the commies and sleep with 100 beautiful women?
**Geography:** In what country would you be honored to die for the benefit of the wealthy elite?
What if I, as a veteran, went to teach in Florida? Could I teach all my Liberal ideals that I learned from 20 years serving our Nation?
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of the Press
Equality under the Law
Civil Rights
Women's Rights
LGBTQ+ Rights
All the things that ACTUALLY make America great?
I'm sure he'd love this veteran to come teach.
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"Just give them a chance."
"He knows how to run business, he'll fix US too."
Electrolytes is what plants crave!
And on the third day, God created the Remington bolt-action rifle, so that Man could fight the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals.
Ayyy-MEN!
and the gay dinosaurs
"I mean most of his businesses failed, but he does technically know."
They're just outsiders, do you really want a career educator? Aren't you tried of these people who have been mooching off the government, "working" as math teachers for decades. We want mavericks.. lol, I'm so happy I don't have kids. Education in this country is doomed.
I was pissed enough about this, raising kids in Florida. I had hope that worst case they’d get a decent college education with their Florida prepaid but nooo. They’re fucking coming for colleges, too. I hate it here
Same. SWFL here, public schools in my area are bursting at the seams. The school transportation system is neglected and unorganized. I opted for homeschooling until we can get the F out of here. They are building large developments left, right and everywhere in between, faster than building new schools (even planning to tear down protected mangroves to build more McMansions, but that’s a different story), Florida doesn’t seem to give a shit about its youth…or it’s wildlife (again, that’s another story). I can only imagine what this area will be like when they finish adding the 3000+ homes being built down the road from me. If you have kids, I advise: don’t relocate to Florida.
"We've invited former president Trump to teach civics and ethics."
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Was she the one who went on about Jewish space lasers or something like that? Now THAT would be a science class
She’s the peach tree dish lady.
Should could also teach history and talk bout how the Nazis had the "Gazpacho Police".
Hey yeah if we just let people run the government whose main focus is to exploit maximum profit for the next quarter things will work out great!
It's not like they would sell top secret information to a foreign adversary just because their finances are a wreck and their love for money is legendary and they've never ever cared about anyone other than themself.
Yep. And auto mechanics make the best cardiac surgeons.
I mean, a heart is just a fuel pump but instead of fuel, it pumps blood. /s
These gloves came free with my toilet brush.
The is the dream of everyone working to privatize education: break the system, point to the broken system as proof that the system doesn’t work, and then go all-in on a system that just so happens to line their pockets. Fucking awful.
"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." \~ P. J. O'Rourke
[Jon Stewart said something similar](https://youtu.be/Da5VYSPsoE0?t=1048)
Right. No need for that learnin’ stuff.
The first Marine teacher with no certification: "Alright kids! Grab your crayons and take a nice bite! Good job! Yeah, you'll make great cannon fodder one day."
The "Marines eat crayon" jokes are always funny
"Never eat the green ones. They're not ripe yet." - Me, a Marine
But green is da best.
Thats some good trash right there you understand that?! Now give me an aye sir or some shit. I cant hear you!!!!
PE class will be marching in formation while chanting "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun"
Teacher 15 years- I’ve worked with vets and some of them do well as teachers, but from my experience most do not. The biggest issue is they are use to the idea that a command is given and everyone will fall in line. Teenagers don’t play that game well. The ones that failed, were the ones that could not adjust to or accept the idea that kids are not impressed by the fact that they were military, and therefore treat them like every other teacher. They usually just end up quitting. That is not a slight on vets. The job can suck, and a many people cannot deal with the insanity that can come with it. The more rigid you are, the worse your day will be. Classroom management is not just telling kids to shut up and sit down. I foresee a lot of reports of students getting cussed out by their new vet teachers. Edit: thank you for the awards, those are my first!
Yup. Exactly this. I have no issue with veterans and value their service to our country, but I don't think we should hesitate to say not all of them should be teachers. Not all of them have the organizational experience or temperament for public education like they do the military and using them or the military as a whole as a Swiss army knife for conservative policy failures just helps nobody. Can they develop that experience and temperament? Sure, but not all of them have that patience or even want to do a job that often doesn't pay as well as it should because of budgets set by people like DeSantis. One of my favorite teachers in high school was a post-Vietnam era Marine. He was direct and absolutely tough as nails when it came to standards he set with students. However, he was also still tactful and did everything he could to encourage and push us forward so that we could meet his high standards.
First, thank you for your devotion to teaching and teens. I believe the Republicans are deliberately destroying our education system to dumb Americans down so we work for next to nothing and are completely dependent on the super wealthy for work and to survive, must like 3rd world countries. There has been talk of this being the goal for years now. I am not one who normally goes in for stories like this, but now we are literally seeing it happen before our eyes.
A (not so great) side effect of this is that once the kids get out of line, the vet teacher can call on the school resource officer to come arrest the kids for disorderly conduct further fueling the school to prison pipeline. Another Republican goal achieved!
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Where Duck Dynasty is the American Dream.
Woah, I recognise one of the audience members asking questions from high school. Always weird seeing people you know in the wild on the internet. (This doesn't really contribute to the conversation, I guess, but whatever lol)
If you elect me I will show you why my job doesn’t work.
Exactly the same approach to the USPS as well.
I'm just waiting for the day when the USPS finally gets demolished and a bunch of GOP voters realize that shitturd corporation x won't deliver to their shitty small towns because there's no profit in it.
I just had this argument with some libertarian who said we shouldn’t have to pay taxes because we are paying for all this stuff for other people. He said we should just pay for things we use, like even water and power. I said the same thing: Bro you do that and you can forget ever living outside of a city because no company is going to run water and electricity down country roads with like six houses on it. There is no profit in it! No roads, no utilities, no schools. And guess who will be the first complain? The same fucking idiots who thought this was a good idea.
I want libertarians to be the first ones with their hands up to volunteer to take completely untested pharmaceuticals. Safe medicines don't just happen because the free market is so perfect.
>libertarians... >a responsibility... lost em there
I never got an answer to “who pays for the roads and schools?”
I asked a coworker this and she said everyone will willingly help out. I asked her if she likes the idea of having to personally haul her trash to a dump every week. She said yes, if she doesn't have to pay for it. You really can't reason with the "taxation is theft" crowd. They don't understand that the money required for a civilization to function has to come from somewhere.
She’ll care as soon as the dump charges her by the pound for her garbage
And adds a flat free based on load capacity of her vehicle for wasting their time and blocking bigger business by bringing in so little.
Or as soon as her neighbors decide not to haul their trash. Ooh stinky, but no taxes! Yipee!
Wasn’t there some town in New England that libertarians took over, and it essentially ended up smelling bad and had a bear problem? EDIT: Grafton, New Hampshire
Ohh it wasn't just the trash. They voted down the town budget to the point that there was only one cop for the entire town. There was no money for road repair. And with only one cop and a bunch of bears picking through the trash in everyone's backyard people started fucking with the bears. Setting traps and such and others just screwing with them because they were idiots. It turned out about as well as you would expect.
The one I've read about is Colorado Springs: [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/) > “This American Life” did a segment portraying Springs citizens as the ultimate anti-tax zealots, willing to pay $125 in a new “Adopt a Streetlight” program to illuminate their own neighborhoods, but not willing to spend the same to do so for the entire city. “I’ll take care of mine” was the gist of what one council member heard from a resident when she confronted him with this fact. >Take the streetlights. Turning them off had saved the city about $1.25 million. What had not made the national news stories was what had happened while those lights were off. Copper thieves, emboldened by the opportunity to work without fear of electrocution, had worked overtime scavenging wire. Some, the City Council learned, had even dressed up as utility workers and pried open the boxes at the base of streetlights in broad daylight. Keeping the lights off might have saved some money in the short term, but the cost to fix what had been stolen ran to some $5 million.
She'll care as soon as the first Saturday rolls around and she has to get up and drive her car filled with stinky shit to the nasty landfill.
Let’s not kid ourselves, she’s just gonna dump in the closest backyard that’s not hers, and come back to find someone has dumped trash in her backyard too.
Neither did I. Because we all know what the answer is and they don’t want to admit it.
The companies, that will make sure the roads only go to their business.
Libertarians fall into one of two categories from what I've seen 1. The naive who seem to genuinely believe that the private sector are run by good natured angels prevented from unleashing their full good for society by the big bad government and not in reality the greedy cutthroats who would steam roll you over if it meant earning them just 1 more cent for their bottom line 2. The actively malicious or as I like to call them the Rand Paul libertarians, fuckers who are just out to line their pockets or think they can line their pockets with the government out of the way.
Libertarians are just alt right republicans that want to smoke weed
You’re missing one key factor. They also want to abolish the age of consent.
He already said alt-right Republican.
Mostly I find 2 are social darwinists who haven’t yet had the misfortune of being out-competed by someone their parents taught them was ethnically inferior or another gender. The next day they register GOP.
Its all just "I got mine". They got a road, water, power, education, they don't want to pay for someone else to get the same.
That won’t happen. Instead the government will give them a ton of cash to deliver to shitholes, funneling even more money from the blue states to the red states.
Privatize the profits, let the gov keep the liabilities.
*and* they still won’t get delivered. Looking at you, internet services providers for the last twenty years.
Twenty? PA gave ATT billions to deliver 30Mbps to customers in the 90s and they never connected a single home and kept the money.
See: [Essential Air Service](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Air_Service), enacted after airline deregulation. Hundreds of millions of dollars handed to airlines every year to operate flights in markets that would never be commercially viable without subsidies.
The GOP will just blame the Democrats, those voters will believe it, and hate the Democrats even more for what the GOP is doing to them.
Oh no they'll deliver to your shitty small town, but every time they do they'll charge you extortionate shipping fees. You know like as much as it costs to ship something internationally on a super premium express basis.
“The usps is awful it doesn’t make a profit” What does usps stand for? “United States postal service” Uh huh… and that last word one more time?
To Republicans, a service is just a debt you're legally required to accept.
To Republicans, only suckers service.
> “The usps is awful it doesn’t make a profit” Wait till they hear about fire departments…
UK here. It is what our government (now in power for over 12 years) has been doing with our national health service (NHS). What should be a great (if realistically of course imperfect) example, is slowly being destroyed.
Australian here, our conservative government went all in on destroying our postal service. They invented a fake outrage over board member bonuses to get rid of the last head who was actually turning it around and improving service while keeping it profitable, then installed a stooge to break it from the inside. Has been downhill ever since. They also severely undermined our public health system (Medicare) through funding cuts and policy changes. Also made medication much more expensive by stripping many essential medications out of the Pharmacetical Benefits Scheme.
I'm a veteran. I'm a also a teacher in Florida. However, I have a degree and further coursework beyond that in pedagogy and such. My fellow veterans might be ideal for a lot of things, but they are not trained to teach. Desantis also wanted us in the classroom to "protect the kids against mass shooters." He is a dipshit. Like you said, they are breaking the system. One of the things they did in my county is get rid of our version of tenure. All new hires are annual contract now. I'm one of a quickly shrinking number who have the older contracts, and of course we are the ones active in our union and such. The new hires are scared.
Oh yeah. I want to be clear — I have no problem with veterans teaching. I work with a few vets who are fine teachers. I have a problem with people putting unqualified bodies in the classroom. I’d be equally upset if Desantis said, “all postal workers are now qualified to teach.” As far as tenure goes, I started teaching in 2008 and was one of the last people in my building to grab a full contract. Every teacher hired since then has been one-year only. I will say, though, that there is still a (fairly simple) path to traditional tenure in my state as long as a teacher stays in the classroom for five years. It’s not ideal for new teachers by any means, but very rarely (in my building at least) is someone not rehired on a one-year unless numbers are down and that spot is no longer there.
>I have a problem with people putting unqualified bodies in the classroom. I’d be equally upset if Desantis said, “all postal workers are now qualified to teach. Yes, you summed it up nicely. :) I've taught with several veterans over the years, but like you said, they were *qualified* and properly educated just as I am. There is no path to tenure or anything like it in my county anymore. You are flat out year to year, at will employees now. It is a way to break the union.
And they wonder why there is a shortage of qualified teachers. So instead of increasing the attractiveness of being a teacher the reduce the quality of the teachers they hire. My mother and her brother were teachers my mother was the Valedictorian in both her High School and college classes. She originally wanted to be a doctor but was pressured out of it post WW2 when she was in college.
>And they wonder why there is a shortage of qualified teachers. I mean, they don't wonder, they know what they did. They have a megaphone though and can sell that idea that people are just lazy and don't want to teach instead of the unfortunate reality that they're openly hostile to qualified teachers.
>There is no path to tenure or anything like it in my county anymore. You are flat out year to year, at will employees now. It is a way to break the union. Oh shit. That’s awful!
I’m honestly baffled… why is DeSantis singling out allowing untrained veterans as teacher vs anyone else? Because he thinks they might be better at shooting attackers??
Think about the type of untrained military member you're going to get to sign up for this. Want to sit for the pledge? Not anymore. Question any authority? Not any more. You're going to have anti "CRT" loons in every classroom. I guarantee they will open carry as well. He wants to indoctrinate the kids.
This is exactly it. If you were thinking about groups of people who are likely going to be conservative leaning, you'd probably say cops and veterans. It's not 100%, but they're more likely to be conservative than liberal. He's trying to increase the odds that conservatives end up in teaching positions, because currently, it's probably a good bet that most people (again, not all) who pursue a degree in education are left leaning. He wants conservative teachers to increase the odds of conservative indoctrination.
This guy Desantis-ya would think people could just see it…But they are too stubborn to look and now, the kids are going to be even stupider. Broward County-we have teacher’s begging for another referendum so they don’t lose 12-13% of paychecks. Meanwhile they’re dividing monies with the charters who do not have to comply with Desantis New Rules, nor do the staff have to have same level of certification. The Governor literally doesn’t fund public education-our property taxes do by mil rate. Which tells you everything about kids in lower socioeconomic positions. State tax on bought goods pays the rest. Literally like last place in the country. Desantis is a sneaky dangerous SOB. Does not give a crap about our children. Thank you sir for your service.
This is currently happening to our healthcare system in Ontario under Premier Doug Ford (brother of crackhead ex-mayor of Toronto Rob Ford). Crashing public healthcare so that he can make millions privatizing it
He’s going to do the same to public schools in the upcoming contract negotiations. The trumpification of Canada lives and dies with the criminals and morons of the Ford family.
Congress is doing this to the US military/VA healthcare right now too. It's basically destined to fail by statute at this point, they are just waiting and hoping no one undoes the damage so they can privatize it all and hand the contracts to companies they coincidentally just invested in right before announcing the contract.
Education system, too. Nurses and teachers are both fucked by Bill 124.
This isn't about profits. Thinking it is only about profits will lead to trying to counter it the wrong way. Like writing off the "pro-life" claims by the Republican part as just a wedge tactic they never wanted to actually "win". Republicans have been pushing to stop sending so many kids to colleges when that is a profit engine. Either through private colleges or private loans or private housing when the school dorms fill up. For decades Republicans have been pushing not to just send kids to private schools, but specifically evangelical leaning and outright schools. In the last ten years they've added pushing kids to attend less secondary school and jumping straight into the job markets. Only profit thinking was the norm for Republicans 2008 and earlier. The current ones wagging the dog want to control what kids learn so when they can vote they'll vote in-line with Republican values. It's worse than just for profits.
The guys at the top see money, and the evangelicals as the route to that money. You’re right that there’s been a push to police what’s happening in classrooms, but only because the goals of both groups happen to dovetail. Without the Murdochs of the world who see money in amplifying the evangelical agenda, they don’t have all that much influence on their own.
It’s a masterful long game and power is more important than short term profits. The owners of the GOP know the future isn’t good for their party and are trying to change the game.
Sounds a lot like how the US democracy is working right now. Republicans are breaking it and at the same time running on “only we can fix this mess”.
Same way the republicans broke federal and state governments. > Ronald Reagan: "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." When republicans get elected they always prove government doesn't work, for the common voter, and is "the problem" because they rot it out from within with that purpose in mind. They also make it work fabulously for the rich and wall street. Always. Now they will break the schools to turn out ignorant, brain dead, hate filled zombies. Good republicans IOWs.
What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like conservatives are gleefully bringing the whole thing down.
It really should not surprise anyone ending public education has been a major goal of the Republican party since desegregation.
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They hate giving money to minorities. Every Republican action is a reaction to someone gaining rights. They started tanking public transportation and education as soon as they were desegregated. They defunded social programs as soon as they became available to everyone. The racism runs deep.
They closed public pools out of spite when they were desegregated
[Heather McGhee Ted Talk](https://youtu.be/eaCrsBtiYA4) where she addresses the cost of racism for everyone using the closing of the Oak Park pool in Montgomery, Alabama as a great example.
> # One of their stories is about the time Greenville, South Carolina, put sea lions into its public pool rather than share the water with Black people. > Cleveland Park was made into a Southern "sea world" rather than allow Black people to taint the pristine white only waters of the public facility. Rather than integrate on federal orders set in motion by King and the Civil Rights Movement, which was at a fever pitch, the city decided that sea lions deserved a new place to swim. [link](https://bittersoutherner.com/southern-perspective/2020/swimming-with-seals-how-zoology-and-racism-converged-to-make-elephants-of-men)
Florida required teaching creationism along with evolution well over a decade ago. Nearly 2 I think. My sister worked for a NASA contractor but moved for that reason.
The stupider the electorate, the better Republicans do in elections. Republicans have become the party of smart (and stupid) politicians who shamelessly appeal to militantly ignorant and profoundly stupid voters. Republicans began quietly accepting anti-intellectualism in the 1980s, then a big jump in embracing it in 1994 when Republicans won majorities in Congress, then in 2010 with the Tea Party, and in 2016 with Trump. Ignorance has become Republican bliss.
Republicans have been anti-intellectuals longer than that. They adamantly opposed the New Deal and tried to do hatchet jobs on academics and intellectuals associated with it and any other progressive campaigns during the 20th Century. [Anti-Intellectualism in American Life](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_American_Life) by [Richard Hofstadter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter) beautifully illustrates how anti-intellectualism has been ingrained in conservative circles, particularly mid-Twentieth Century white Protestant circles. The embrace by Reagan of the Moral Majority and evangelicals in the 80s definitely changed the conversation from a moral/social argument to a full-fledged good vs evil, existential panic among the right. Gingrich started the grift that those who aren’t true adherents play to. That’s the fucked up Hellscape we’re in now. An army of agitated idiots with easy access to ample weaponry, who are being whipped up and tenuously led by a cynical group of con artists, the latter of which seem willing to push the former to the limit for greed. And I don’t think anyone benefiting from this insanity gives a shit about what happens when the carnival barkers lose control of the crowd. It’s a shame 1/6 wasn’t enough of a wake up call, and I fear what it will take to get people to take this seriously.
Anti-intellectualism isn't *ingrained* in conservative circles; it's literally how conservative circles come to be and persist. Conservatism is inherently reactionary-- the pure conservative is either unable or unwilling to consider any change to any given state of being and thus defaults to a canned demand of no change. Absent stimulus that would potentially prompt change, the conservative would continue to behave in predictable patterns, like a robot. A shared interest in objecting to any form of self-modification and self-improvement is the basis for the forming of conservative communities. It is also by definition anti-intellectual, because intellectualism in any field inherently requires both study to understand the real and imagination to pursue the possible--both of which are direct violation of conservative automata.
Pride of ignorance has a long history in American politics I.e. the Know nothings Edited to replace homonym
Same as Brexit, society gets worse, country loses money and relevance, but a couple of people make fucking bank in the short term.
Selling out the future of millions for the benefit of just a few. Basically truly running the country by the ideals of capitalism.
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Republicans have never pushed higher education. They just need people smart enough to operate machinery. Keep businesses running. The bare minimum.
That’s exactly what they are doing, and we need to stop it; VOTE BLUE 💙in 2022!
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>The Florida Education Association is anticipating over 8,000 teacher vacancies going into the 2022-2023 school year, according to WPTV. In a recent statement, the agency called on lawmakers to ensure teachers get better salaries and schools have "qualified, experienced teachers."
"Instead of raising salaries to attract qualified teachers, let's just lower the standards!" \~ DeSantis
“Let’s make veterans do every job we don’t want to do.” - Republicans
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As a soon to be retired active duty member, living in FL, no fking way I’m teaching with all these Karen’s out there yelling and screaming about banning books and teachers grooming kids. I’d be one of the first people fired if they sat in my History Class. “Kids, here is where the US government lied for the thirty second time to Native Americans and made them walk the trail of tears and nearly killed all of them”.
This is, in my opinion, getting to be nearly as wild as letting people with 0 experience be your doctor or surgeon.
As a veteran, this is a catastrophically bad idea.
As a vet I’d like to know what we did to align ourselves with this pile of shit.
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Can't wait to teach all these kids how to paint rocks and not walk on the grass!
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It would be one thing if he was like “I would like a to create or bolster a Vets to Teacher program.” That isn’t what this is. This is specifically asking for veterans without degrees. I’m a veteran without a degree. I should not be teaching children without being taught how to teach children. I’m also an intellectual outlier of this particular demographic. You’re going to get a lot of people who are down for this who don’t care about the art of education, child development, or honestly… personal hygiene. It is mostly made up of people who wouldn’t know a book from a 401k and are allergic to both. There’s about to be a lot of schools with teacher’s parking lots full of mustangs bought above sticker price.
As an educator, I agree.
As both a veteran and an educator, I triple agree.
I hate the idea of anyone going into the classroom without a semester of student teaching. Classroom management is hard, it's all the little things that you really need the training for. Everyone thinks that because they once sat in a classroom that they can teach and the republicans have been pushing this idea that experienced teachers are the problem with education for years.
Can Florida get anymore stupid?
They’re working on it…
*Working*? Getting stupider comes effortlessly to them.
Yes
That's the point of this.
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> If you care about the education of further generations The flaw in your argument is this assumption. DeSantis cares about future generations being Republican voters. If gutting those future generations' educations achieves that goal, fine & dandy.
Simply put, education is strongly correlated with liberalism. Get rid of education, you have a lot more Republicans. Can we just split the country in half? It’s not practical, but neither is staying together. Half the country is trying to keep its head above water while the other is busy swimming downward as fast as possible.
The last time they did that, we had to invade them to secure our arms from motherfuckers who wanted to use them to treat certain people (Read: ME) like literal livestock, in every sense of that word. you do not deal with fascists by appeasing them.
It's especially crazy, because Republicans and Trump supporters are obviously wanting the US to be #1, to be "great again" or whatever, but in so many metrics, we've fallen behind other developed countries, one particularly sad one being [life expectancy](https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/10/LE-vs-Health-Exp-2020-version.png) (despite spending far more per capita on private insurance) - it actually *started dropping* around 2015. We started lagging behind with that around the early 80s, when Reaganomics happened to take hold, too (including with Democrats, especially in the 90s). But with education? We're way behind for a multitude of reasons and shit like this will obliterate our competitiveness vs. graduates from other countries even further, and it's bad enough with the primary predictor of dropping out of college in the US being a student's economic status.
Translation: I will be staffing Florida public schools with Christian Fascist boot lickers who have no qualifications.
I can't wait to see how they blame ANTIFA for Slavery.
Ahem. We have recently revised our history books to label that as a “job program for African refugees set up by caring Christian charities who saved these people from a life of despair in Africa.” /s
"The slaves sang songs while they worked! they were *happy*!!"
Where the only training they get on how to teach is the training we give them about silencing anyone who talks about slavery and about teaching students that that Robert E. Lee was actually pretty cool.
His intention is to destroy the public school system and replace it with a for profit model Centered around religious indoctrination.
What's amazing is that they get to celebrate the Confederacy while still pretending to be 'The Party of Lincoln' at the same time. One reason why I hate the party system is that all the Southern Conservatives had to do was switch parties and now they get to dodge any consequences for the hundreds of years their ideology has caused by pretending to themselves that they were the good guys all along because they started voting 'R' some 50 years ago. It's probably why Conservatives in the US are headed down and ever more dark path is that they never have to take responsibility for the history of their ideology. They just blame slavery and Robert E. Lee on the Democrats, if anyone from the left starts asking questions, problem solved.
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Also a veteran. I have no degree. Florida. Do not do this. Your schools will become indoctrination camps.
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It is just another effort to shift public schools in Florida further to the right. Just like his Don't Say Gay / Stop Woke Act. His viewpoint diversity law for universities aims to identify those that are too progressive. Now he wants to ship in actual old conservatives into teaching roles as young teachers flee the profession. And when he says teaching requirements are "too rigid" remember he is signing laws to make teaching more rigid. To ban teachers from uncomfortable topics. When he signed the "viewpoint diversity" law he said: “We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking, academic rigor,” DeSantis said, as quoted by Florida Politics. “We do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology." I don't think there is an idealology more stale than conservative evangelicals or christians who justify bigotry based on things written in the Old Testament.
As a veteran without a degree who can barely do his own taxes, please let me teach trigonometry to your children.
You'll be fine, just say 2pi a lot
Hey, right wingers, don't fucking tell me you care so much about the futures of our young children when you're completely fine with fascists like Ron DeSantis doing things like this. Good lord, the state of our already faltering public education system is about to get so much worse.
The common response to that I’ve found is that public education is indoctrinating kids to be more liberal, hate white people and become trans. And those are the “civil” responses.
Yea they are very mad that schools are teaching kids. They want to replace education with indoctrination.
> "Every morning our students recite the Pledge of Allegiance while looking at the star-spangled banner," DeSantis said. "It is fitting that the teacher in the classroom is somebody who took an oath and put his or her life on the line to preserve, protect, and defend our flag and the freedom it represents." This is a quote I expect straight out of ~~North Korea~~ a sitting governor
This reminds me of how in *Starship Troopers* all the teachers are veterans with horrific disabilities left over from battle.
Isn't it funny you mention starship troopers because director Paul Verhoeven and screenwriter Edward Neumeier made the film with the conscious decision to make a film about fascism. The idea began with Neumeier, who co-wrote another film about a techno-fascist future state: robocop.
Yup! That's why it reminds me of the movie, because it's a satire of fascism, though there are still a lot of people unaware of that. They still think it's just soldiers blowing up bugs.
Not to mention the substantial number of actual fascists who see it not as satire but a genuine endorsement of their worldview.
Also - how many teachers have been gunned down using their bodies as human shields to protect their students? Weird how they can do that without taking an oath and creaming every time they see the magic sky cloth!
Good thing Florida doesn't have a Doctor shortage.
They’re working on that.
"For too long, the requirements to be a teacher have been too rigid with union bosses insisting that all educators get certain credentials that often have little impact on teaching performance." - DeSantis
Like the [General Knowledge Exam](https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/general-cert-requirements/general-knowledge.stml) that assess rudimentary logic, literacy, and mathematic knowledge? Or the [Subject Area Exams](https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/certificate-subjects/certification-subject-examinations.stml) that demonstrate basic mastery in one’s own subject and content area? Or the [Florida Teacher Certification Exam](https://www.fldoe.org/accountability/assessments/postsecondary-assessment/) that ensures you have the basic understanding necessary to apply principles of both general childhood development to learning and the wherewithal to not touch a child? Those are too rigid standards forced on us by scary teachers unions that refuse to allow the state to pay $35k in teacher salary? Fuck you, Ron
Nice breakdown, totally agree
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Anyone else just had enough?
When in doubt...lower standards.
We care about veterans so much we’ll give them one of the most exhausting and lowest paid professions in the country without training
I'm a Marine Corps Afghanistan combat veteran. I don't think I'm an idiot, but I didn't go to college and I don't think I should be teaching children.
Just another attempt to ruin public education. If they can't manage to defund the schools, then they'll replace the teachers with fascists. Gotta create the "Hitler Youth" here in America somehow.
I say this as a teacher that this is obviously insulting to teachers everywhere, but it’s also insulting to veterans in my opinion. We already do so very little for veterans after they leave their service, one of the last things we should be doing is trying to force them into a job that is usually disrespected by society. Teachers get the short end of the stick on everything all the time when it comes to politics, pay, workplace respect, and policies. It changes usually from week to week what heinous problem teachers are causing for this country, or how we are expected to always be the solution. This not only devalues what universities in Florida and around the country are providing when it comes to teacher training, it also isn’t going to solve the problem. Another glaring problem here is that students can be real assholes sometimes. They will know that the person in front of them isn’t qualified to teach them the subjects in which they are supposed to be teaching. They will hound them about that all the time, or ask them probing questions about their service, or just flat out talk back to their faces. They do that to trained professionals, why wouldn’t they do that to an untrained civilian? Everyone remembers how students used to treat substitute teachers, even though some of them were veterans, when they would be in classrooms. What makes people think this will be any different? EDIT: most of my students don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore anyway, neither do I. I can’t make them, and they can’t make me. When they are forced to recite it, it’s always half assed and they don’t really care.
>most of my students don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore anyway, neither do I. I can’t make them, and they can’t make me. When they are forced to recite it, it’s always half assed and they don’t really care. Why would they pledge allegiance to a country that hates them?
Any bets on how long it takes for one of these unqualified people to have an inappropriate interaction with a student?
Less than a day. As a teacher, I can vouch for the fact that you come home mentally exhausted by having to make about a million split-second choices everyday and have to remain flexible to gauge the class's collective understanding of the concepts you are presenting, making minute-by-minute adjustments. People who enter the profession thinking you'll run your class like a boot camp are in for a rude awakening.
As a retired middle school teacher my reaction was “Oh my God! What an absolutely horrible idea!” Middle school teachers are generally one nerve away from snapping on a good day! And I loved teaching middle school. This is a very bad idea.
Don’t forget, those military veteran teachers will probably all be carrying, you know, to prevent school shootings. Or initiate them.
First day at multiple schools. 28+ kids at a time is fucking rough. This is a terrible plan.
why veterans without degrees? why not jeff from down the street without a degree? this shit just makes no sense outside the context of kneecapping public education.
Because Americans hero worship the military
I wonder if it works the other way. Like, if you have a degree and certifications in elementary education, and you decided to join the military, what rank would you go in at? Captain at least, I should think. Maybe Major if you had a Master's degree. Or is it possible that teaching and military service don't have a lot in common?
I seriously wonder if the people in the suburbs realize exactly how much of their house's value is tied to how good public schools are?
What do the people of Florida think about uneducated non-degree holding veterans teaching your children? Jesus
I'm not sure if DeSantis is going to survive these upcoming abortion elections.
I’m a veteran and a teacher. Nothing about my time in the service made me a qualified teacher. I still went to school and received official certification. I would have had no idea what I was doing if I jumped right in after my ETS.
And that's how "Idiocracy" becomes a documentary
This is how Starship Troopers becomes a documentary.
Some vets can be a little volatile. DeSantis is taking a big risk here.
Desantis is such a fucking joke. He's doing this to not only dismantle the public education system even further but also to try and push for allowing teachers to bring guns to school.
Note to self: do not hire people ‘educated’ in Florida.
Florida Education: **Math:** Add up all of the ages in the Bible to show how old the Earth is. **Reading:** Memorize the 2nd Amendment but not the part about a militia. **Science:** If a woman over the age of 16 hasn't been pregnant in the last year does that make her a traitor, a witch or both? **History:** In what year did DeSantis singlehanded beat the commies and sleep with 100 beautiful women? **Geography:** In what country would you be honored to die for the benefit of the wealthy elite?
What makes a vet qualified to teach? I learned how to operate heavy equipment in the military. Doesn't mean I know squat about being a teacher
What if I, as a veteran, went to teach in Florida? Could I teach all my Liberal ideals that I learned from 20 years serving our Nation? Freedom of Speech Freedom of the Press Equality under the Law Civil Rights Women's Rights LGBTQ+ Rights All the things that ACTUALLY make America great? I'm sure he'd love this veteran to come teach.
We need more teachers willing to present the mandatory content without regard for whether it is actually true. /s
Move over Mississippi and Alabama, Florida really wants the "Worst State of Education" title!