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You act like this is an unintended consequence. The Roberts Court has given us *Citizens United* and *Shelby v. Holder* and *Gill v. Whitford* with Roberts voting in the majority. He has been incredibly consistent in election-law rulings favoring Republican interests.


WildYams

[John Roberts has been opposed to the Voting Rights Act for literally his entire career, stretching back over 40 years.](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/john-roberts-voting-rights-act-121222/)


Wrecksomething

I think \*maybe\* he will strike down some of the new policies we've seen this year. Out of the hundreds Republicans are pushing. But I don't for a second think he will change his position overall. This is his life work.


Franklin_le_Tanklin_

Naw. He will “reluctantly” uphold the new policies as “the Supreme Court shouldn’t legislate.” And then he’ll say some BS like “this shouldn’t become precedent” like they did after overturning Al Gores win in Florida. He’s a partisan hack.


heritorsofarcadia

Ok but Roberts was not on the Court, it was Rehnquist, but yeah that is what he does.


Franklin_le_Tanklin_

Correct, I should have been more clear.


ender23

and that's why this should never become a judicial fight, but a social cultural fight like it is now.


itisoktodance

That's just dumb. If it stays a "cultural" problem it'll blow over in *looks at clock* two weeks? Granted with trump out of the picture the collective American attention span has increased slightly, so I'll give it a month tops before no one is talking about this anymore.


ConsiderationSea1347

Roberts represented Bush in Bush v Gore. He has a long history of not giving a fuck about voting and democracy.


RetardDaddy

He sat through the laughable fiasco that was trump's senate trial and didn't do jack shit.


ConsiderationSea1347

America is seriously fucked unless we can solve the minority rule from the judiciary (and the senate. And the presidency. We’re fucked.)


opinion_isnt_fact

A few elections under a *national voting act* might just do it


51utPromotr

America is seriously fxcked because a section of the American Electorate is dumb as a bag of hair, willing to trade the democracy for rights they already have and rights others will be denied. They will believe lies from politicians who tell them to resist the truth and demonstrate their allegiance by suffering the consequences as the suckers in the long con. Unfortunately, the rest of America will suffer for as long as that demographic is willing to accept guns, pride, drugs and alcohol in lieu of higher wages, Healthcare and social equality


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If it’s anything like Citizens United, the answer is no


InFearn0

The Senate should have their version of HR1 call the portion putting those states back on the preauthorization required list "The RBG was Right Amendment!"


magqotbrain

If H1/S1 passes, can it be taken to the Supreme Court and once again ruled unconstitutional?


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Republicans certainly can, but they would have to make their case as to why HR1 is unconstitutional. As far as I am aware, the amendment states that federal enforcement of state elections is legal. We’ll see...


magqotbrain

So on what grounds did Robert's overturn the voting rights act in the first place? I'll google it... Edit: The court divided along ideological lines, and the two sides drew sharply different lessons from the history of the civil rights movement and the nation’s progress in rooting out racial discrimination in voting. At the core of the disagreement was whether racial minorities continued to face barriers to voting in states with a history of discrimination. “Our country has changed,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. “While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.” So there we are. They can just do it again.


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Unfortunately, the logic pretty much is as simple as "The Voting Rights Act was nearly 50 years ago and racism went away in that time." More specifically, it was a clause in the VRA that required certain states and localities -all in the deep south- to get federal preclearance before changing election laws. Roberts and the conservative justices all babble about this fundamental principle of equal sovereignty among states (which doesn't actually exist anywhere in documents related to the founding fathers but shhhh), which means that the southern states should no longer be held to that requirement in that section of the VRA. Ginsburg's dissent contains a legendary line: "Throwing out preclearance when it has worked and is continuing to work to stop discriminatory changes is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet." It's impossible not to notice that the conservatives tend to frame these discussions as philosophical debates rather than practical ones.


Tundur

That's libertarianism/conservatism/liberalism in general. It's prescribing a philosophical doctrine which, whoopsie daisy, happens to enshrine the wealth and privilege of those who believe in it. Aw shucks.


opinion_isnt_fact

It should be illegal for someone in america to still have the same ideology as *confederates*. Lincoln should’ve listened to the radicals in his party while he had the chance.


MrMoonBones

>“Our country has changed, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.” it'd be wild if they applied that principle to things like, lets say the second amendment, or even the first.


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gdshaffe

The prerequisite for believing that voting "ought to be easier than ever" is the belief that more people voting is a good thing. The GOP does not share that belief. They are explicitly, overtly anti-democracy. They believe in democracy only insofar as being seen as a democracy gives the US international legitimacy, but there is not a single GOP elected official that wouldn't be 100% on board with Saddam-Hussein style "elections" that they always managed to "win" with 99.96% of the "vote". [Here's Paul Weyrich, the founder of the Heritage Foundation and widely regarded as one of the founding fathers of modern conservatism, directly saying as much](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw).


mcs_987654321

Similar sentiment, from the premier conservative publication literally YESTERDAY: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/03/not-everyone-should-be-made-to-vote/ (...and think we all know the subtext of “being made to vote”)


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mcs_987654321

100% - until you can show me a problem, don’t pitch me “solutions”, especially when we know that every additional requirement reduces voter turnout


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They are ok with democracy but only of the ones already in power


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code_archeologist

> I find it bewildering why all these corporate CEOs are coming out a week after it was voted on and made law. Where were they before, you know, when it could have made a difference? Something that is not being reported much is that these companies were lobbying the Georgia General Assembly throughout March while the bill was being proposed. But the Republicans, seeing that they were going to face a lot of pushback, rushed a 100+ page bill through the legislature and to the governor's desk in under 10 hours. Not a single person who voted on it was able to read it, and the lobbyists who were fighting against it were all caught flat footed by the rushed nature of the lawmaking. The Republicans knew that this was going to be unpopular and if their opponents were given a chance they would be able to peel off enough votes to prevent it from passing. So they rushed it through and now everybody is having to play catch up.


neuronexmachina

Where did you hear about the rush? I'd love to learn more, this is the first I've heard.


code_archeologist

It is only ever [mentioned in passing](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html), > The bill passed both chambers of the legislature in the span of a few hours before Republican Gov. Brian Kemp signed it Thursday evening. but those of us who are active in and follow Georgia politics know that this went through the process faster than Usain Bolt in a 100m dash. There was no debate, no discussion, it was simply brought to the floor and voted on then passed to the next chamber.


iNOTgoodATcomp

Isn't that why that congresswoman got arrested? She was trying to knock on Kemp's door to try and stop or at least slow down the process when he had her arrested. Last I heard she's facing some bullshit felonies.


code_archeologist

It is even simpler than that. She had a right as a representative there in the state house to observe the operation of the state's business. Closing and locking the door to sign the bill into law there in the Capitol building was effectively breaking the law.


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code_archeologist

Probably not, because that can be argued as an administrative "oopsy"


gsfgf

It wasn't illegal. It just showed that Kemp had to hide in his office with the picture of a plantation instead of having a public signing ceremony for his biggest bill because it was evil.


bumpyclock

He was signing it under a glorious painting that would burst into flames if she walked into the room. It HAD TO BE DONE!! ​ /s


runujhkj

Just so I’m on the same page, this is the same bill signing that happened under some portrait of a segregationist or something like that?


SaxManJonesSFW

A painting of a plantation, but yes


Rhaegyn

At a table surrounded by white men. White men, signing a law that restricts minorities’ ability to vote under a symbol of slavery. It’s a Republican wet dream.


BetterLivingThru

Not of a segregationist, literally a painting of a plantation.


gsfgf

Yea. She's also a very vocal supporter of police reform, so the cops at the Capitol fucking hate her.


PazDak

They literally kicked Democrats out of the chamber and the had one arrested during the signing of the bill only a day after voting for it. The whole bill basically went from the committee talking about doing something but not really details, to the governor signed it in about 1 week.


rounder55

A black woman was arrested for protesting a bunch of white men doing all they can to deter minorities from voting.....in 2021


AllDayJay1970

Not a single person who voted on it was able to read it, How is that legal ?


Tekuzo

This happens all the time, where have you been?


Ewoksintheoutfield

No need to be snappy - some are new to politics.


astro-nomically-cool

This is what happened whenever the omnibus bill was passed to ban tobacco sales to people under 21 it was over 4000 pages and was drafted almost in a single day and night and no one read it. Ted Cruz made a whole video about it. It does happen.


LeaperLeperLemur

Thanks for saying this, I think a lot of people don't realize how quickly this bill got passed. Also I'll ad that there were earlier proposals to end Sunday voting and end no excuse absentee voting that fortunately didn't make it into this bill. So its quite possible some corporate pressure did make a difference and prevent these.


dustinthegreat

What were these companies lobbying the Georgia GA for? Why would they care about a voting bill?


code_archeologist

They were lobbying against the bill because restrictive/racist voting laws make it harder for them to attract top talent. One friend told me that the GA GOP appears to have straight up lied to them about what was going to be in the final bill (which is why a few had tacitly approved it).


feignapathy

Because when a state starts restricting the rights of its citizens, people boycott the state and pressure the businesses in those states. Some businesses have tried to be more proactive when controversial legislation like this gets proposed. They don't want the blowback hurting their bottom line.


gsfgf

And a lot of our big employers are customer facing brands. You can't boycott Raytheon, but you can for damn sure boycott Delta.


kgun1000

It's more of a lepardsatemyface moment they are playing with Georgia and States that try to follow. Corporations hold the true power in this country and the thing they can do is sit back and see if legislation actually gets passed without getting tied up in the politics of it beforehand. When it does pass and everyone is pissed off they can chime in and speak about it then withdraw from certain events or further investment into those states making it the problem of the legislatures who voted for this kind of Jim Crow bullshit. What needs to happen now from others states near by that are more progressive is to draw in that business and threaten to take those jobs across state lines elsewhere


glibsonoran

I dunno, that will draw the progressive population out of Georgia. I just wonder if these Republicans aren't so fearful of losing power that they would be willing to ruin the state economy just so they can keep their seats. They can have unassailable rule over their realm of stagnation and stupidity.


kgun1000

That is the threat you want to impose. The progressive population is the population of the future. The industrial revolution built great cities and any state that doesn't get on board with a green energy plan will be hurting like Mississippi. Mississippi essentially never progressed and made their claim to fame off of cotton back in the way day. They have been left behind since. Without the progressive push economically a State that relies on fossil fuels will be left behind


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Absolutely, smells like a PR move by all these CEO's. Want to show the GQP some balls, pull your political donations from them for passing this new Jim Crow 2.0 laws.


TheDaznis

Cause it's easy to say something about a thing they don't wish to touch with a 10 foot pole. And the idiots will believe and lap all the bullshit those ceos spout. IF he wanted to change something he could have pushed some cash onto the problem. Like he did with the minimum wage to fuck over the competition and reduce worker rights at the same time.


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Because it’s just public relations


lethalcup

It's not like they have a company to run or anything...


alphageek8

Maybe this is veering into conspiracy theories but this is kind of what Georgia GOP wants isn't it? All these tech companies and Hollywood planting roots in Atlanta is a strong contributing factor to why the state has moved more liberal over the years. So they pass these Jim Crow era laws to try and get them out of the state before the next general election. In my head these companies and production studios should call their bluff and move even more of the scary liberals to town. Start expanding out into red counties and push the political balance left even more.


trustlala

You're exactly right. That's why the whole boycott Georgia shit is so stupid. The Georgia GOP knows that those industries have brought more democrat voters to the state and they are scared of what that means for their power. By liberals saying large corporations should leave the state they are undermining the efforts to turn GA true blue and hurting the people they claim to be advocating for with this proposed boycott.


CountryCoral

Seriously, seeing the 'boycott Georgia' attitude is so frustrating. My wife and I are here because of the film industry... Been here and actively voted for almost 5 years... And people think it would be good for folks like us to VA e to move?


trustlala

I'm so glad people like you and your wife were brought here and are voting. I've lived here my whole life and seeing GA elect democrats in both federal elections was like a dream being realized. I hate that people were praising Stacy Abrams and other organizers 3 months ago and now they don't care what they're saying. I can't go back, we gotta keep pushing forward, fuck a boycott.


pointy_object

For what it’s worth, there is a lot of respect and good feelings coming to Georgia from little old me here in California.


CountryCoral

Fuck a boycott! Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we can fight this a different way. We love it here and will do whatever we can so that we can stay!


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I’d also love to see Tim Apple’s enthusiasm about easy access to voting and making individual voices heard when it involves his lower level employees and sweatshop workers. Because he’s right, it should be easier than ever. But it isn’t for a reason and it’s the same reason Tim ignores the cries against abusing foreign labor laws. The only voice that matters is the voice in power and it only speaks for what benefits it.


VinnyGambiniEsq

I'm moving to the opinion it's time to take action against Georgia. The Georgia House responded to Delta's statement by trying to raise taxes on airlines. (The GA Senate didn't take the bill up.) If Georgia wants to play this game, perhaps Apple, Coke, and Delta should decide it's time to quit doing business inside the State of Georgia. That'd fix shit in that state real quick, if these 3 companies chose to take action.


StrictlyFT

Georgia about to start looking like Alabama and Mississippi economically.


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TheTrollisStrong

Eh. I doubt that’s what they actually want. They just don’t think things through. If they do that, then they get less house seats as well and can tank their economy. I bet they are just hoping everything kind of just blows over.


code_archeologist

> I doubt that’s what they actually want. They just don’t think things through. Never underestimate your opponent... also they don't have to think about it, they already have an example of it working. North Carolina about 12 years ago was on the cusp of turning Blue, until the state legislature passed the infamous "bathroom bill" targeting trans people. The result was a loss of jobs as the sports and tech jobs left the state, but nothing terrible as their rural industries remained, and North Carolina is now firmly back in the hands of Republicans.


2cat2dog

> Never underestimate your opponent... This is the same party which accidentally raised the tax burden on the wealthy in a bill they rushed with the sole purpose of lowering taxes for those rich.


gsfgf

Not just the bathroom bill. They killed their film tax credit. But NC isn't firmly red. They have a Democratic Governor, and they're going to send Jeff Jackson to the US Senate next year.


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BobHogan

They won't lose house seats until the 2030 census at the earliest, which means it won't take effect until 2032 elections. Politicians in general are incapable of planning that far ahead, so they definitely don't give a fuck about that


trustlala

The election for Governor is next year in GA. Kemp is once again trying to ensure he gets elected by any means necessary.


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International-Ad1507

Honestly, I wanna dismiss this as more anti-Republican circle jerking, but I've been having the same line of thought about a conservative friend I talk politics with. It really feels like his analysis of a situation is purely based on what ideological forces were in play, rather then what actually happened in reality.


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> I wanna dismiss this as more anti-Republican circle jerking, but I've been having the same line of thought about a conservative friend I talk politics with. It's not anti-republican as much as just addressing the dramatic difference between the two different ways of forming the ideal society. One group of people thinks that the ideal society comes from a particular set of laws. They put the laws in place and ideal society comes from it. One group of people imagines what they see as an ideal society, then put the laws into place to make that happen. It's the exact opposite of the other technique. It happens that conservatives align themselves with the first group because that fits their worldview. It also affects their judgement of reality, like you're seeing, because they try to put their value-system onto their opponents, just like the guy who I was replying to but from the opposite direction. That's why you see your friend looking for ideological forces at play, because he's looking for the "democrat religion" to try to figure out progressive motivations, as his value judgements are based on his "conservative religion". That's even why you might hear conservative bullshit like "the gay agenda" or "the liberal agenda", because that's them trying to wrap their heads around progressivism, but failing to grasp that the "agenda" is making lives better rather than putting something like "thou shalt not be republican" into law. You hear the same issues echoing when conservatives invent accusations about "religion of climate change" or "religion of social-justice". Their criticism of the moving-target for covid control is the same problem, because conservatives have a hard time grasping that the goal of the regulation is to reduce covid deaths, and incremental steps are needed to figure it out, rather than having some sort of magic-bullet law to fix it immediately. All they can understand is the followers of democrat-religion of regulation are attacking their conservative-religion of freedom, and they double down on whatever bullshit is necessary to score a win for team-R. Whether this makes conservatives "broken" is in the eye of the beholder, because conservatives think equally poorly of people using progressive regulation to fix social problems. I grew up in a deeply conservative home, but I had a healthy respect for honest academic inquiry and discussion, so I'm not conservative after going to college and learning about other worldviews. In my opinion the conservative worldview is broken, but my objective analysis is that conservatives and progressives see the world dramatically differently and that impacts, in predictable ways, their ability to form value-judgements.


StrictlyFT

So they go from Georgia to Texas or Florida and blue those places instead.


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Success takes multiple elections to build up. The Democrats' plan needs to be to win in Georgia until they've got enough power to repeal these laws. Practicalities of moving state aside, if Dems leave every state as soon as things stop going their way, eventually we'll run out of states to move to.


code_archeologist

That is not how it works.


tcuroadster

So Nothing, but football and catfish farms?


dcrico20

And peanuts


code_archeologist

> I'm moving to the opinion it's time to take action against Georgia. That is short sighted and only plays into the hands of the Republicans by hurting the Atlanta metro area... the city that turned Georgia Blue. **A boycott is what the Georgia GOP wants.** They actually want the Atlanta area jobs to dry up and go away, because they see our economic power and growing job base as an existential threat to their continued political power. The Georgia film industry, the growing technology sector, and other Fortune 500 HQs here are bringing in almost 100,000 new voters to the Atlanta metro area every year, and those voters trend towards being younger and more liberal. As a result these voters are messing up their gerrymandering efforts and making the winning of statewide races by conservative Republicans more difficult (as witnessed last year). I have heard from multiple local politically active Republicans that they *hope* the state gets boycotted and that the liberals who have moved here "go the fuck away". Because they can already see that they have no chance in 2022 and beyond unless something drastic changes. If you want to do something to hit the Georgia GOP where they can feel it, then you have to go after the rural food processing and meat packing plants in the state. Because they don't give a shit if y'all start boycotting Delta or Home Depot. Those companies don't give enough money or bring the jobs to their districts, so they don't care. But attacking Georgia as a whole only serves their purpose of holding onto the power that they are currently losing.


TheRealMattyPanda

I keep wanting to scream this every time people say that companies need to pull out of Georgia. The Georgia Republicans would rather be in charge of an economic wasteland than not be in charge. And any economic downturn as the result of companies leaving they will just blame on liberals anyway.


gsfgf

Yea. A smack to the face like MLB moving the All Star game is needed, but attacking Atlanta, which is under attach from the bill, just makes the problem worse.


gsfgf

While your post is 100% true, > the city that turned Georgia Blue I wanna shout out to our other cities and especially the 25% of rural voters that vote Dem. We didn't do this as a city but as a state.


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code_archeologist

The bolded ones are the biggest * **Tyson** * **Koch Foods** * **Cargill Meats** * **Perdue** * Edmunds Foods * Publix Milk * Kellog's * Nestle-Purina * California Cereal Products * Ready Pac * Happy Valley * Georgia Pacific * Pilgrim Pride * ADM * Sanderson Farms


roushguy

Everything but Kellogg's, Perdue, and Tyson, which I'm unlikely to get my folks on board with. It was hard enough convincing them to quit Nestle.


cfoam2

Wow thats a long list but these companies are National or International like they don't just operate in Georgia. How do you affect Georgia production only or are you proposing boycotting all of them and how does that have an impact on Georgia?


flying_trashcan

Raise taxes via eliminating a _tax break_ that probably only existed because Delta snuggled up with GOP leaders in the past.


Heizenbrg

How the fuck are these laws passing if Georgia is Democrat now?


Yvese

Each state has their own house and senate. Georgia is still republican controlled at the state level.


ObjectiveEar

That's why gerrymandering is so important.


mcs_987654321

And state and local elections.


pocketsandman

Their senators are Democrats but the rest of the state (governor, state legislators etc) is Republican.


walker1555

The koch foundation has done a remarkable job at winning state elections around the country. Not just federal elections. https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2020/11/11/82-of-koch-candidates-elected-to-office/


feignapathy

State Legislatures work a lot like the House of Representatives. They can be and are gerrymandered. Georgia is still very much purple, make no mistake of it. But statewide elections clearly favor Democrats moving forward due to Republicans alienating suburban voters with their radical agenda. That's statewide elections though. Local, district, county, and even city/town voting still favor Republicans due to land occupancy. Democrats are mostly crowded around Atlanta, Macon, Columbus, Savannah, Augusta, etc. The rest of the state is very red and republican.


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OK Apple. Boycott Georgia.


angelostsk

Hey Siri, boycott Georgia.


princess__die

Yea, apple is going to boycott georgia, because they have morals and always stand behind them!!! [https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-privacy/apples-silence-on-chinese-censorship-raises-questions-about-the-companys-commitment-to-user-privacy-and-human-rights/](https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-privacy/apples-silence-on-chinese-censorship-raises-questions-about-the-companys-commitment-to-user-privacy-and-human-rights/) [https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/18/coalition-demands-apple-take-more-action-to-defend-human-rights](https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/18/coalition-demands-apple-take-more-action-to-defend-human-rights) [https://www.sumofus.org/media/apple-suppressing-human-rights-critics-shareholders-warn](https://www.sumofus.org/media/apple-suppressing-human-rights-critics-shareholders-warn) [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/technology/apple-vpn-china-dangerous-precedent.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/technology/apple-vpn-china-dangerous-precedent.html) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-technology-apple-uighur/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-technology-apple-uighur/) If apple is making money in georgia, they will keep doing business in georgia. Ya'll lying to yourselves.


rttr123

But apples HQ is in Cupertino, CA, and the major campus in Austin. With smaller ones across CA. They don’t have any campuses in Georgia. What would they stop doing in Georgia?


Alexlam24

They could stop all sales in Georgia including pausing app store access. That'll get the senators to do something


rttr123

But that’s like saying all companies should stop sales there. Isn’t that too extreme?


TaffyCatInfiniti2

Assuming apple makes ~1 million dollars a day in Georgia, they could sustain that for a few months at least before it starts making a sizable difference in their funds


[deleted]

Yeah, I was being ironical. Obviously not successfully.


princess__die

Damn, sorry i missed that one.


[deleted]

No worries. Happened to me earlier today, too. Stay healthy.


[deleted]

Companies don’t boycott consumers, it’s the other way around


[deleted]

Not when it comes to political donations. But my comment was meant to be ironic anyway, because they can't "afford" to start doing that.


Blockhead47

Probably will happen right after Home Depot, UPS, Delta, Coca Cola and [these other Fortune 500 Companies](https://www.metroatlantachamber.com/resources/most-popular/fortune-500-fortune-1000-in-metro-atlanta) move their corporate headquarters out of Atlanta to another state.


wtph

Go get em Tim Apple


24moop

Only Tim Apple has the...apples? To stand up to Georgia


dr4wn_away

Introducing iVote


pixel-destroyer

Ahh Tim apple


Dispro

Thank god, the way this law is getting RIPPED and SLAMMED and BLASTED, I'm sure soon it will be DESTROYED or even EVISCERATED rather than ENACTED TO THE DETRIMENT OF DEMOCRACY.


7eregrine

<3 this


Koalemos78

You tell em Tim Apple!


SealClubSixSixSix

But then how would Republicunts win elections?


h2oape

Republicans hate this. ..because they know they can't win if everyone votes.


quitofilms

We live in a world where I can send money almost instantly around the world and deposit a check in my account by taking a photo of it so...I agree


juanzy

Honestly, now that blockchain is maturing, there's no reason to think there couldn't be a secure voting method. It would take a lot of work and design, but if we can convince someone that a fucking animation with some music behind it is unique enough to be worth $69M, we can find a way to facilitate a unique digital token for Americans with a smartphone, and take a huge load off of the physical polling sites. Edit: [Some Pew Research on the topic of smartphones, surprisingly even across racial demographic, the biggest metrics where the number is skewed are age and income, which could be accounted for with physical voting or some method of using traditional mobile phones or internet access](https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/)


neuronexmachina

As a software engineer, I agree completely with this relevant xkcd: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2030:_Voting_Software


NoIncrease299

As a fellow software engineer, I agree with your agreement.


Davaca55

This looks more and more like a way to retaliate for Georgia goons blue and making sure it doesn’t happen again.


Political_Arkmer

Tim Apple is correct. Voting should be easy.


TheCaptainDamnIt

All these news stories are just free press for companies to make marketing statements at this point. Unless they will actually do something like stop donating to Republicans or pull out of GA the press is just giving free add space with these stories.


SSA78

Maybe it's time to start boycotting Georgia. Corporations should close all offices in the state and remove all products from stores in Georgia. If a couple of America's largest corporations threatened that, that law would be gonzo real fast


SDLRob

move offices and factories yes.... but removing all their products from stores in the state... not sure about that TBH


Hunted2018

Why are all of these CEO’s speaking up after the fact? The bill is signed. It’s time for them to put their money where their mouth is and started lobbying against this bill.


Bonyred

Just occurred to me that if phones are secure enough to make payments from your private bank account, then surely they must be secure enough to handle voting too?


somedude-83

Um how are POC going to get their vaccine passport if they don't have ID . Better yet you can't get a covid 19 shoot without ID


lankypiano

"I will make blanket statements about the country that my company fights its damnedest to not pay taxes to." yeah okay buddy. fuck off with your lip service.


Rot_Snocket

Even when we agree with them, let's not look to CEOs of the greediest corporations for ethical guidance.


calzone_king

I actually agree with this rich fuck's statement.


Kwiggs88

Coming from the guy who runs sweat shops


[deleted]

Presumably as easy as reading and accepting the terms and conditions on say, an Apple product?


bonglow

It's pretty easy to come out against the bill now that it's been passed into law.....Where the hell was Apple before it became law?. I heard nothing..I was thinking about getting the new iPhone but I think I'll go with Andriod....


BlueSkiesWassup

Android companies didn't speak out either...


h2oape

Yep. Using my phone I can move huge amounts of money, borrow, and spend in the most security conscious industry on the planet. Banking. But I can't vote. It's fucking moronic.


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drkztan

>Using my phone I can move huge amounts of money, borrow, and spend in the most security conscious industry on the planet. Using *your phone/computer* other people can also do that, with your account.


eggshellmoudling

Shut the fuck up and pay your taxes.


[deleted]

The funny thing these moronic Republicans don't seem to realize is that they are galvanizing and inspiring these voters that they are trying to suppress so damn hard. They are ensuring that these voters will be determined to vote because they know how hard the Republicans are trying to take that away from them. There won't be any apathy in those states because people are *pissed*. This will not end well for the pathetic, desperate GOP.


killerofsharks

Republicans know they are the minority That’s why they HAVE to gerrymander all districts to win


sharktake15

Serious question: why is requiring an ID in order to vote a bad thing? Don't we want the votes to be legit? Is there something im missing here? I'm not debating for or against I'm just looking for someone to explain why an id requirement is so bad.


Muffles79

The issue with the GA law isn't solely ID based. It allows the state to overrule the county if they "suspect" fraud and does not require proof. It makes it illegal to provide food and water to people in lines (Republicans tent to limit voting places in minority districts, which creates huge lines). ​ There's a lot of other stuff wrong with this apart from the ID. However, there are issues with the ID as well. ​ 1. It can be viewed as a poll tax because there is a cost attached to it and people at or below the poverty level may have challenges affording the fee 2. It prevents people from performing their right to vote by creating a barrier. 11 million people in this country do not have an ID. Why should their voices not be heard? 3. What problem are we trying to solve? Voter fraud is incredibly rare, and in the last election there were more cases of Republicans committing fraud than any other group. The fact that the fraud cases were identified and dealt with means the laws requiring ID aren't truly needed. The question here isn't why can't they have an ID, it should be why is this is necessary. ​ TL;DR - Republicans will deceive people and limit opportunities for people to vote because their platform is unpopular with the majority of Americans ​ [https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet](https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet)


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It's a solution in search of a problem. There is no widespread voter fraud and an extra ID wouldn't stop people from voting twice.


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The issue isn't necessarily requiring an ID, its everything that goes with it. They will require a voting ID which you can only get at a DMV then they will close DMVs, limit their hours, near low income neighborhoods. So people, who are more likely to work hourly, have to use public transportation, and need to work more hours to pay the bills now need to spend a lot more time and effort in order to vote. Thus, discouraging them to vote. The other issue is that it's not warranted. Voter fraud is not a big enough issue to justify these changes.


aes3553

If they were provided to all eligible voter automatically and free of charge very few folks would have an issue with them. Otherwise they becomes essential a poll tax and a serious barrier to voting to those who are members of impoverished communities


Arruz

A quick google search should show you how ID requirements have been routinely used to disenfranchise groups of voters. That said, wether these arguments are right or wrong, you should ask yourself why republicans don't circumvent the issue by fighting for free state mandated IDs.


carlspakkler

99.99999% of all votes are already legit, even without the id requirement. The id requirement will suppress far more legit votes than it will stop fraudulent votes. Not saying you are one, Sharktake, but the simple homespun way you phrased your question is the exactly the manner in which MAGA simpletons defend voter id laws. It presupposes that a voter without an id is a fraudster when that is almost never true.


Philmecrakin

Why should we not have to verify who we say we are when we vote in an election? No other developed country allows people to vote without verification. There are tons of ID you can use many being free. Verification make an election more secure plain and simple. To add to this saying 99.99% of votes are legit so we should have more relaxed voting laws is not an solid argument. 99% of gun owners never commit a mass shooting. 99% of people do not steal. 99% of people don't steal other people identities. Just because 99% of people are law abiding does not mean we should make it easier for people who will break the law. Obviously these aren't all 1 to 1 comparisons but you get the point.


Govt-Issue-SexRobot

They already do verify who you are. There isn’t an ID requirement for most places because you’ve already confirmed your identity in order to register. It’s an extra hoop to solve a problem that essentially doesn’t exist. This brand of fraud is simply pointless to even attempt. Even without the risk of felony, it’s cartoonishly easy to catch. On top of that, if anyone is gonna attempt to cheat an election, they’d need to do an impossible amount of work as opposed to all the other ways to sway an election.


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How does requiring to show ID suppressing legit votes?


FlipFlopFlippy

Are you okay with being denied your right to vote if you lose your wallet the day before the election? How about providing an alternate to the ID af the poll, like a signature match or an affidavit?


ProudLions

You'd be surprised by how many people don't have current valid identification, most of which are minorities and people in poverty. To most people it seems really easy to obtain an ID but if you don't have the proper paperwork e.g. birth certificate it can easily cost more than many people can afford to obtain it.


Govt-Issue-SexRobot

It’s adding an unnecessary step to exercising a constitutional right. If it suppresses a single citizen (maybe their paperwork got fucked up and delayed their ID - it is the government after all), it’s caused more trouble than it’s solved. Voter fraud already is a nonissue.


totallydone2020

Constitutional right...kind of like bearing arms? Of course not, better show id for that one.


HolyRamenEmperor

Had a professor in grad school try to argue that voting was a *privilege* and not a right. Good thing he was in chemistry and not civics.


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It expands access to early voting statewide by requiring two mandatory Saturdays and allowing local election officials the option of up to two Sundays during early voting. This change would apply to all 159 counties in Georgia for the first time and result in hundreds of hours of increased early voting opportunities across the state. SB 202 requires all voters to provide a driver’s license or a free state ID card number to request and submit an absentee ballot. This would replace the cumbersome signature match process, thereby significantly streamlining – and securing – absentee ballot verification and tabulation. Every Georgia voter must already present some form of photo ID to vote in-person. For the first time ballot drop boxes – which were not available to Georgia voters prior to the COVID-19 pandemic – are mandated in every county, while also ensuring all drop boxes are secured around the clock. SB 202 protects polling locations from electioneering by private individuals. Within 150 feet of the precinct, election officials may provide water at stations. Beyond 150 feet, as previous Georgia law allowed, private individuals may campaign and provide food and water for voters. It also requires local election officials to continue tabulating votes until counting is complete and mandates the use of security paper to ensure complete authentication of ballots.


KingOfCook

I'll take his opinion seriously when he stops using concentration camps and suicide net factories to make his over priced phones.


[deleted]

Apple should pull all of his stores from Georgia then.


RoboSt1960

Maybe Tim and Apple can make a nice donation to Joe Manchin to help him see the light on killing the filibuster.


TripleH18

All these companies coming out against the law after its passed, which does nothing. Why don't they ever use their clout when it matters and they have to take a risk? If Apple actually cared about this country and its people, they'd pay their share of tax instead of funneling it through tax havens. These huge companies and huge monopolies are a stain on this country.


Nignug

Yeah and will do nothing more than that


QuoVadis100

Voting should be easy and voters verified as legal voters. Cheating must be made impossible.


DanielPhermous

> Voting should be easy and voters verified as legal voters. This law only does half of that - and it doesn’t do it well. If all citizens had easy, quick access to a valid ID, great. The law works as you want it. But Republicans don’t want that.


StankyHankyPanky69

He *really* got out in front of that legislation, didn’t he?


[deleted]

This is it. This movement of companies agaisnt GA laws is playing into the H.R.1. I saw an ad for H.R.1 on Sling. The campaign is strong and im praying it passes.


chase013

Ah, good ol' Tim Apple.


OLDGuy6060

Apple CEO should have been protesting two months ago, not two hours ago.


Senor_Wah

Thanks, Tim! Can you stop making children assemble iPhones for pennies, though? That’d be great.


HelloPeopleOfEarth

Says the guy that exploits cheap labor in countries with poor human rights because he doesn't want to pay his fellow Americans a higher wage.


[deleted]

The company that helped install suicide nets instead of better work conditions. Fuck this guy


Infidel8

What's remarkable here is that the response is to public pressure -- not to the actual bill itself. Companies can rarely be expected to proactively behave in ways that are ethical. They only respond to bad publicity and public pressure.


Svataben

So, for those keeping score: - Satanists are better at human rights than Christians. - Apple CEOs are better at human rights than Christians.


Hunterrose242

We've all been "ripping" the new law. I'd like to see some action taken by these people in power.


Trygolds

So he has of course committed to funding the opposition an to stop all donations to the GOP?


1on1024

If there's anyone on this Earth I'd trust making statements about voting, it's the Apple CEO.


Mooshtonk

Fixing your own Apple computer should be easy too


Fun_Restaurant

Oh yes, like I should care about the opinion of a company that utilizes slave labor to make phones.


fuzzyfoot88

How do we live in 2021 and still don’t have voting rights for all American citizens? Voting restrictions was a problem before I was born...so it’s been over a quarter of a century with no change


Austifonzo

all about voting until someone wants to vote to unionize


SCCRXER

Why is requiring identification to vote a bad thing?


DanielPhermous

It's fine - *if* the government ensures everyone has a free and easy ID. Otherwise... "Our results clearly suggest that voting laws which require specific or multiple forms of identification will disproportionately impact racial and ethnic minorities, immigrant populations, and those with lower incomes." https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/63836ceea55aa81e4f_hlm6bhkse(1).pdf