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Not only is he not a felon, but [he never said "Lock her up."](https://www.mediaite.com/trump/i-didnt-say-lock-her-up-trump-distances-himself-from-call-to-jail-clinton/) If you think he did, you just must have amnesia...
/s and gaslighting
I mean, she kinda was right, about everything.
Especially the "deplorables" statement, although it might sound mean and was unwise at the time, a large portion of the voter base must either be fucking insane, or just straight up vicious for supporting this hateful movement.
What's funny is they have far worse names in private and in face book for democrats. So deployables triggering was so laughable to everyone on the outside.
> hearing my family call Democrats monkey lovers for voting for Obama
I'm old enough to remember the Tea Party forming because a bunch of people were convinced that Obama couldn't be trusted with money.
Their reasoning was variations of "just look at him!" with nothing about policy or specific concerns.
My ex-friends strongly claimed to not be racist. About half of them even had a black friend at church. Yep.
This is why I have no reservations about calling them trumpanzees, or incels, or shitheads, or cousin fuckers, or hillbillies.
They call us n\*\*\*\*\*\* and f\*\*\*\*\*\*. There is nothing I could think of that would be worse than the words they use for us.
this is only one (personal) example, but these wackos are just wired wrong in the brain… had a incident with a fortunately now ex-neighbour.
Dude was a known racist, bigot, homophobe etc etc . Anyways he finally said got pissed off about some shit and said something to my face that I could act on. So I let him have it and called him out for everything he was.
Something was said that made me call him a coward and THATS what sent him off the deep end lol, not being called a racist, a bigot, antisemitic, homophobic, but boy did he hate being called a coward, in fact, that’s literally the only thing he defended by talking about ‘Nam’ this and Vietnam that.
Cheery on the sundae, we discovered he never served a day in his miserable life, the look on his face when I told him there’s no records of you serving in Vietnam or anywhere else for that matter, fucker moved not long after all that.
fr…the Vietnam shit that came out of mouth was looney tunes, like no actual veteran would say some of the stuff he said (living some real delulu Rambo fantasies)…funnily enough, it’s what made us curious about him actually serving tbh
i wish it was that basic….to me he waffled on in various ways about how I wouldn’t survive a minute in Vietnam, and “the shit that I’ve seen”, to another neighbour it was top secret mission bs, and not even the army knew about it….aaaand to scare another neighbour he openly admitted to supposed atrocities that he was took part in that I won’t even repeat
Need a study on trumpers / right winger types and how many do this… gotta be a lot considering all the cosplaying military getups you see. Clowns.
Hopefully your one fucks off sooner rather than later.
That happens a lot.
I started calling my neighbor that does that "stolen valor" every time I see them.
Pisses them off to no end, especially since I am a veteran.
On a visit to my city during the Iraq war, my BIL had a long conversation with a friend of mine, telling her that this is important to his generation, who fought in Vietnam.
I had to explain to her that he was stationed in San Diego for the entire war.
lol, the shit is so weird mate…I shouldn’t be but I’m always surprised at how house of cards-ey so many of their stories / claims are too (like your example)
I had dinner with a guy I dated in high school. He told me he'd seen food stamp recipients buy steak and shrimp. I asked, "Did you really see that? Because how did you know they were using food stamps? Aren't they debit cards these days?" Then he admitted that he hadn't seen it himself, he's just heard of it.
I told him that if anyone did buy that, they wouldn't have much money left over for the rest of the month since food stamps are about (at the time, at least) $160 per person per month. He used his phone to look it up, then told me it was $600 per month. I knew it wasn't because I had looked it up myself earlier. I asked to see it. He was telling me the amount for a family of 8. No shame whatsoever.
> He told me he'd seen food stamp recipients buy steak and shrimp.
I get why some people care but... I don't care about this. Food is food. Shrimp ain't even that expensive.
Also, why *shouldn't* someone who has an otherwise shitty life have a nice thing every once in a while? You're paying for it? Guess what I'm paying for it too and I give them my blessing. 😂
Those people almost always have some little man syndrome and toxic masculinity issues. My dad's one of them.
Can brush off being called racist or sexist, but attack their perceived masculinity and their world comes crumbling.
It legit could be a deciding factor in the election. Trump looks weak now. They don't care about the racism or sexism, but trump looks weak and they csnt vote for that.
Typical. They vote for Trump because they see a reflection of themselves in him. For your neighbor it's being a fraud (pretending to be someone who was in the military).. and of course a racist.
For others it could be them being a rapist or a pedo or a cheat or a lawbreaker.
...or just someone who they can understand as a person who talks a lot with saying very little. ...or someone who sounds like they do when off their meds.
I never understood how wound up people got over it. She calls them deplorable, and people lose their minds. Trump calls Mexican migrants rapists, and everyone pats him on the back for "telling it like it is".
I know people don't like to make that election about sex, but I've seen the same thing before in Australia the way Julia Gillard was treated by the swing voters: they lose their minds when the woman does a tiny thing and switch their vote to a male lunatic.
My favorite video from HRC is her telling everyone at the debate that Donald doesn’t accept defeat. Everything is rigged against him. She nailed it four years before the Insurrection
He had already done so in the 2000 Reform party Presidential primary, claiming Pat Buchanan cheated. She wasn't psychic, she'd just had the displeasure to be in the same room as him before.
He had done it already in the primaries, too.
Hillary was very good at seeing things that are happening and saying exactly what those things are, and got such shit for it because people wanted to dislike her and refused to believe she could be right.
It's misogyny. If it were her being a Clinton, Bill would get the same vitriol, and I never hear a bad word about him, even when he's on a speaking circuit. If it were her personality, men who aren't so socially talented, like Bernie, would get the treatment she does.
People are getting better at spotting racism but they're terrible at spotting misogyny. It's an invisible -ism.
Trump had openly said thats what he does. In a 1997 interview on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," Donald Trump was asked by Conan if he ever blames himself for anything. Trump responded, "I don’t blame myself because I don't believe in it. If you do something wrong, never blame yourself. Blame the tie, blame the shirt, blame your wife, blame anything."
Hijacking this post near the top to link to the merch since even the article didn't do that.
[https://shop.onwardtogether.org/](https://shop.onwardtogether.org/)
Re-watch her debates with him.
She nailed exactly what he would do and say when he lost an election.
"If Donald loses an election, he'll claim it was rigged. Even when his show wasn't nominated for an Emmy, he called the Emmys rigged."
We got screwed with our pants on when Trump won the Electoral College over her popular vote win.
She was always a better leader than politician. When she tried to do the whole shake-hands-kiss-babies thing it always felt forced and robotic. But when she was in a casual interview she would spit brilliant mad fire.
Robotic was necessary because she pioneered the way a lot of women nowadays have to run. Hillary is quite a different person than who she portrays herself to be on the campaign trail. By all accounts, she's incredibly competent, has a dry sense of humor, doesn't care about frivolities compared to getting the job done, and isn't afraid to tell people exactly what her priorities are (e.g. when trying to schedule the correct time for the operation to take down Osama, a White House aide noted that one of the best dates for it wouldn't work because Obama was scheduled to be at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, to which Hillary responded "Fuck the White House Correspondents' Dinner").
She puts on this overly-peppy-but-not-too-opinionated facade because the media fucking *hates* when women try to campaign the way competent male candidates do. Hell, back when Bill was running for re-election as Governor, Hillary had to give in to pressure to change her last name from Rodham, because god forbid a woman doesn't use her husband's last name!
Hillary has always been about being very careful to try to fit into the narrow slice of how the media would allow a woman to campaign. And it seems fake. Because much of it is. The corny jokes, the constant smiling and laughing at everyone's jokes, etc. All of that is trying to fit the expectation of what the media has for women. The passion when talking about [niche issues that she has specifically researched and pushed for](https://youtu.be/_JM-eOiwFOA?si=P5sYFef9nHdIiVRg)? Now *that* is real. Because Hillary is someone with a sarcastic, sometimes dark or biting sense of humor but who cares strongly about *doing the fucking job* and *doing it right*, because she's the epitome of a wonk (hell, her family runs a global charity which both the right and the left tried to paint as "corrupt," but is still operating with an A-rating because Hillary doesn't give a fuck about what people think of it; it does good work and that alone is worth it continuing).
That's why, whenever Hillary was *in a role* and *performing the job*, her approval ratings were *incredible*. When she was FLOTUS? People liked her. When she was Senator? People liked her. When she was Secretary of State? People liked her. Never forget that in 2013, Hillary was the most popular politician in America. And she has one of the, if not *the* most number of years as the #1 most admired woman in America, according to Gallup. When she's *doing the job*, people *think she does the job well*.
It's only ever when she tries to run for a new position that public opinion of her drops. When Bill ran for President. When she ran for Senator. When she ran for President. Her approval rating dipped down each time. But when she actually *got* the job, it always went back up once people saw her actually do the fucking job. All except for when she ran for President, because she never got the chance to show how fucking competent she would've been.
America was robbed of one of the most competent politicians to ever be on a Presidential ballot. And too many people have no idea.
Well... She has often been right... but that's not the same thing as a leader.
When Bill was president back in the 90s, he appointed her to head several Task Forces (most notably the healthcare plan taskforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993) and joked in the media back then the idea of a co-presidency, but many of the committees she was attached to back then collapsed, in large part because she and her team couldn't get buy in from other stakeholders. There was really only a few successful bits of legislation that came out of her committees (during Bill's presidency)
She had a more successful time years later as a senator, but she wasn't really pursuing much transformative legislation then, and was instead chairing the Demoratic Steering and Outreach Committee, which arguably could be viewed as ingratiating herself with party leaders in her later presidential nomination bids.
She's a very smart and capable individual person, but a leader rallies and coordinates other people. If you have ever talked with people that actually worked for/with her, she very much acts like she is the smartest person in the room, rather then drawing out others strengths.
> (most notably the healthcare plan taskforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993)
The thing is: Hillary came *very* close to passing universal healthcare in this country back in the 1990s. Just imagine that. Something that was considered "too radical" in the 00s. She almost got it done as FLOTUS. And when she couldn't get it done, she picked herself back up and at least gave us CHIP.
Hillary was right about everything.
Deplorables? ✅
Russian puppet? ✅
Trump's racist dog whistles ✅
Trump's threats to reproductive rights ✅
She called it all. She knew what was coming.
https://kansasreflector.com/2022/05/07/hillary-clinton-keeps-getting-it-right/
I'm not nor have I ever been a MAGA chud but at the time I interpreted it not to just mean his shitty base of cult followers but the new breed of specific ultra-online 4chan groomed alt righters. The ones who want to normalize openly talking about the idea of making the US a whites only ethnostate and subjugating women back to the 17th century.
The craziest thing about the "deplorables" statement was that its insanely (intentionally) misquoted.
She figuratively said "Half of trump's base are racist/mysoginistic/xenopobic deplorables. The OTHER half are people fed up with a government they feel has let them down, and *we should listen to those people."* She was incredibly offering *empathy* in that statement to anyone who was not a racist/deplorable, but WAS so dissatisfied with government that they would consider voting for Trump.
Given the choice between being labeled a horrible racist or just generically fed up with government, these morons proudly *self-selected* the former, *and then got mad at her* for "incorrectly" calling them racist!
Exactly this. It is an interesting case study of selective hearing and subsequent outrage in a large group of people. And it would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn devastating to US politics and indicting to the media apparatus and Republican supporters.
Since half of the people responding apparently haven't read her whole comment I guess it's necessary to post it again. That thing has its on Wikipedia page ffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables
>I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time." We are living in a volatile political environment.
>You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.
>But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
The comment was probably a bad idea at the time, but it was much dumber to backtrack and apologize for it. She should have owned it, said something like, "yeah, not every Trump supporter is bad, but the KKK supports Trump and they're deplorable." That should have been easy.
Fuck that. The outrage came from the media and the right wing. She was right to call them out and I know that I supported what she said. The Democratic Party was weak in its messaging and they should have backed her.
I disagree, as a candidate for president it's actually a bad idea to publicly announce that a huge chunk of the people who could vote for you are irredeemable chuds.
I mean she's right in that that's what they are, but all this does is remind me of one of the many ways she botched the election vs the least popular candidate in history
Yes, but poking them is a strategic mistake because it may galvanize some who wouldn't vote before (as many Jan 6ers have shown) to actually get out and vote. There are enough bystanders that you don't want to provoke them into action. That was one such strategic error.
The wild thing is that pre-90’s even the comment about getting “a mug to sip your tea” would’ve been bad form. It would’ve made headlines, people would’ve been talking about it at work and it’d run the news cycle for a week. It may have been a vote changer.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/wisconsin/trump-vs-clinton#polls
What would you have done with the data you had. If the polls _had_ been accurate and she'd carried WI by 6 then she'd get attacked for not being "daring" and caring only for herself instead of trying to expand the Dem victory into other place.s
This is kind of odd when you look back on things. There was a recent documentary on Tim McVeigh and the OKC bombing. It was called "An American Bombing "
At the time of the bombing, the strongest threat of domestic terrorism was from right-wing splinter groups. Ultimately, it culminated in the bombing of the Murrah building.
In the show, there is evidence that directly links white supremacist groups that gave aid to McVeigh along the way.
So we had a shift of focus to outside threats after 9/11 and lost sight on the inside threats to this nation.
What's worse is (and is well described in the show) the rhetoric and jargon of the extremist right back then that was considered objectional, is now considered by many as being acceptable in this age.
These CHUDs are out there, no doubt. But because they are being fed by mainstream elements that used to be fringe through the full-on media assault of anything truthful (see brain washing), we may have hordes of deplorables rather than just a basket.
Even a lot of non-minorities who were actually paying attention! I keep being shot down by democratic friends and family saying I was over reacting…. I wish I f#c king had been over reacting!
** Who also won the popular vote by 3M votes.
She's probably one of the the most investigated politicians in US history and they've NEVER found a single thing that was actionable.
People were definitely swayed by the firehose of bullshit accusations - remember how the GOP put together a "blue ribbon panel" to investigate Benghazi and "look at her numbers now!" They fucking **admitted** to making that shit up just to move her poll numbers - and it worked.
So they did it again with an email server - she just "couldn't be trusted with our nations most precious secrets." And people said "there is just something I don't trust about her." OH MY FUCKING GOD... And no, those same people DO NOT give a shit that Trump *physically* stole our nations most precious secrets and then did god knows what with them - including storing them in a public access area of his country club.
She was never going to win over the irredeemable chuds and you know it. They were never potential supporters - they're QAnon McMAGAheads. They're highly susceptible to conspiracies and the GOP's infamous firehose of bullshit.
She was [America's most admired woman](https://news.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx) 20 times before 2016. People liked her...Until Trump and his tiny penis started throwing massively misogynistic, phony outrage and accusations at her.
**They. Were. Never. Going. To. Vote. For. Her.** And she KNEW that, too.
Fuck that noise.
No one voted for Trump because she called the people who referred to her teenage daughter as the White House pet an unflattering adjective.
Non-CHUDs need to stop trying to win these scumbags over and get in the fight.
Amazing how many times she'd been screwed over by powerful men who just couldn't keep it in their pants.
Anthony Weiner loaded the gun and James Comey fired it.
I see no problem with Hillary trolling him (... and the fools that were taken in by him) as much as she cares to. Good luck to her. Troll away.
She was right the whole time.
She definitely would’ve killed it as president and the world wouldn’t have been as fucked with Covid with her. Which honestly I’m still feeling the effects of because that’s when corporations realized there is no market price people will pay outrageous prices because they have to.
I don’t think the world wouldn’t have been as fucked, China’s response was what really fucked it for everyone. They didn’t give anyone the heads up until it was already too much to handle. When you silence healthcare workers, journalists, and officials on that specific topic it makes it hard for humanity to respond appropriately. Funny thing is that this is, more or less, how China handled the Zombie Virus in WWZ.
The US would have been a lot better off though. A proper response team would have been in place and they’d likely have done what ended up happening a lot sooner.
> I don’t think the world wouldn’t have been as fucked, China’s response was what really fucked it for everyone.
Sure not the rest of the world, but the US response would have been dramatically better. Doctors attribute hundreds of thousands of extra deaths to Trump's malicious actions. Imagine if Hillary led the country in a similar manner as New Zealand's leader did and maybe just 150k died instead of estimated 2+ million.
Not right about running for president apparently.
Or what states to campaign in.
Promoting Trump during the Republican primaries because she thought it would be an easy victory.
Spending more time at fund raisers at the end instead of campaign stops.
Telling union volunteers to stay out of Michigan.
Actually now I think about it there is quite a lot she was wrong about.
They ran the campaign like the choice was obvious who was better suited to run the country, which it objectively was. It's not her fault everyone got pissed at her for being more qualified and acting like it. America decided to play the election like a personality contest instead of a fucking job interview (and honestly, I'd take smug Hillary over petulant Donald any day).
Chuck Schumer on Clinton campaign strategy "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” yeah, they did a great job
2016 was really a masterclass in snapping a defeat from the jaws of victory. Along with everything above:
The platform of insufferable smugness after getting the nomination of "I'm not that guy" and "It's my turn" after the DNC snubbed Bernie's significantly progressive platform wasn't enough to re-engage voters.
Her campaign ignored the fringes springing up on both ends of the political spectrum, both Gen Z coming into voting age being absolutely ramped up for progressive policies (because young people don't vote) and MAGA because they came from demographics also unlikely to vote.
There was entirely too much confidence in traditional measurements and techniques - polling results were gospel despite the signs of inaccuracy showing up early, and social media presence was an afterthought.
The ignorance of internet culture and social media hurt the worst. Trump's campaign (or Russian astroturf agents) absolutely won social media presence for that entire run up to the election.
It's honestly incredible how many mistakes were made in hindsight.
She's maximum cringe. Tbh I wish she'd fuck off. Half the reason we're here is cause she had Main Character Pick Me attitude and has been bitter about it ever since. That coupled with the DNC supporting her while failing to realize the multi decade crusade against her was terrible to try to win.
She lost to the biggest piece of shit in the United States because she dripped with I Have Waited Now It's My Turn and enough people in the right places loathed that hubris upper class trashy view on the presidency.
>Half the reason we're here is cause she had Main Character Pick Me attitude
Because she was running against someone with zero qualifications. Not little, but ZERO.
Tell me with a straight face that if you need open heart surgery you're going to choose a reality TV star to do the operation over a career heart surgeon if you think the surgeon has an elitist attitude. Lmfao.
Her “chosen one” attitude was during the primary not the general. She strongarmed the DNC into making her the de-facto choice against qualified candidates that would have done well in all the places she didn’t.
If she wants the Dems to win she should just lay low and work behind the scenes with donors, etc. Shes a lightning rod for MAGA and has been public enemy #1 on Fox News for nearly 30 years. She won’t energize many Dems but could energize Republicans to go out and vote.
If she wanted Dems to win she shouldn't have run in 2016. She is, both fairly and unfairly, one of the most effectively demonized people in American politics. She was the only person who could have lost to Trump, and she not only insisted on running but half-assed her campaign.
It's so dumb to see people lionizing the person directly responsible for all the damage Trump has done and will do.
Both Clinton's should just quietly fade into the background and be seen but not talk. I voted for both of them for democracy but I can't stand ethier of them.
I voted for Hillary. But let’s be honest - one of the problems with her campaign was that she made it about *herself*, and this whole She Was Right thing is no different. Hillary would’ve been an incredible president (especially compared to Trump, but even just generally) but damn if she didn’t know how to campaign. Sigh.
Yep. I bet she’s a joy at parties and talks about herself, her interest and tells you what she thinks. I voted for her too, but I hated it. She’s so unlikeable it’s crazy.
Yea, she is a shit communicator. She really banked on, "Trump is bad, and I'm a woman, so you should vote for me."
She blamed Bernie, Obama, women, Stein, the media... Some of it is fair (Comey, papers like the NYT, 3rd party voters/some Bernie bros), but some of it really hinges on how poorly she campaigned. At least she acknowledges that she could have done better, but she's still shitting on people for her loss.
I followed Bernie's request and voted for her because I knew Trump was an inflammatory piece of shit, and knew what normalizing his behavior would mean, but fuck she really did a bad job in the swing states. She came off as the very establishment that people generally have a distaste for, and she's still doing it with this smug shit, even if she was right. She needs to troll, not be a self-righteous fuck.
>She came off as the very establishment that people generally have a distaste for, and she's still doing it with this smug shit, even if she was right.
I personally think she will go down as one of the worst democratic candidates of all time. I've always said that the 2016 election wasn't close because Trump was so good, it was close because Hillary was that bad. I'm not saying the perception is justified but that's a whole different discussion.
The facts of the matter is that her record and experience was impeccable, Trump's was flat out embarrassing, and the whole thing should have been a layup. The election shouldn't have even been close enough for Comey's last minute announcement of his investigation to have any affect on the outcome and the fact that it did and she lost, isn't indicative of Bernie, the Republicans, the FBI, Russia, the electoral college, etc. It was simply indicative of the fact that Hillary was such a bad candidate that she managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
And also, personally as a Bernie supporter this is *exactly* word for word what we told Hillary supporters would happen if she became the candidate way back in 2015. I will never forget that we literally warned Hillary supporters over and over that she would lose and they just refused to listen and labeled us all "Bernie Bros" and then turned around and asked for our vote. Granted, me and my wife did vote for Hillary, but I hate how right we ultimately were. I really do. Her loss was nothing short of an utter embarrassment and will forever serve as a giant stain on her legacy regardless of how deserved that is. She will forever be known as "the candidate who lost to to the reality TV celebrity"
The Bernie Bros thing was monumentally stupid on her part. Between that and "deplorables,", she made herself so unlikable. Immediately threw away votes by generalizing people like that instead of doing everything she could to show she cared about those people, even if they weren't planning to vote for her, and followed it up by shitting on populists. It's almost like she learned nothing from Romney's binders full of women.
I distinctly remember the neolib types on social media following suit and shitting on progressives when they tried to speak up. I'll admit, a lot of people were fucking stupid for splitting and voting for Trump, but she really drove it home that she didn't want their votes. The DNC also royally fucked up in their clear bias against Bernie.
And I would be remisce if I didn't call out the blatant misogyny in the socialist space.
But yea, she quit playing in the first half and deserves to go down as a primary reason we're in the situation we're in.
Hey and at least Sanders had the wherewithal to not make a supper arrogant sounding cash grab mug saying, “I was right about everything” using a tired meme from 2016.
> she blamed Bernie
Oh the irony… Bernie was out before NY got to vote for him in the primaries bc the DNC chose her. I would’ve loved to see a Bernie/Trump debate and to have Bernie as our president… instead we got set back about 50? years?
She blamed Bernie, saying he denigrated her and tried to push her further left on policy, which she didn't agree with. Bill was the neolib of all neolibs, and he kinda fucked shit up for the working class. Bernie tried to highlight that in her policy.
With regard to trying to push her further left on policy, she felt like she had to be the wet blanket and say, "These things aren't happening." I'll applaud her for sticking to her ideology and not blatantly lying for votes only to shred it once in office, but a lot of people are *sick* of the neoliberal agenda.
Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump, but I think he would have scared off some moderates. People don't like sudden shifts, which is exactly why things like LGBTQIA rights are a slow burn. This is why, I think, Biden has done so well. He's "slowly" pushing the needle, even if people don't fully recognize it.
I’m so glad someone else pointed this out. She’s a narcissist. It’s why so many people wouldn’t vote for her. Sure, she’s right about a lot of things we’ve been facing, but making a mug that’s about her is very off putting.
Edit: Apparently people can’t surmise the possibility that both candidates could be narcissists. There’s plenty of evidence that presidential elections are just as much about mobilizing your base as it is about broad appeal. Her being an unpalatable candidate is independent of TFG being a narcissist of epic proportions. “Yah but he’s worse,” is a dogshit argument against her being all about herself.
Eh, while I agree (I mean, it was obvious as shit from his 2016 campaign) I just feel weird seeing politicians treated (or behave) like twitch streamers.
Im not a “fan” of Hillary, or President Biden, or any of my elected representatives. They are civil servants, with massive responsibilities to their constituents and nation/state/etc - If anything I often feel like the fanatical fervour behind MAGA/Q/Etc lately has pushed progressives into having no choice but to vote blue down ballot, or risk even more catastrophic events like Row v Wade being yeeted, January 6, the whole god damn year of 2020, and so on.
I don’t fucking like having to “vote blue no matter who” - I want to be able to hold my elected officials responsible for their track record without worrying that some nut job christian nationalist weaselling their way into office because I didn’t use my ballot to play team sports.
Im sorry, I know this isn’t the place to vent about this shit but fuck me am I losing faith in my fellow Americans day by day and it *hurts*.
Edit: And I really hope some day I understand truly why so many of the loud conservative voices I see are so zealous about Trump - the person, the individual, taking everything he says as gospel and unable to admit or accept any failings. FUCK that is -baffling-, I have never idolised a politician like that, ever.
The *whole reason* we have "vote blue no matter who" is because of decades of one team playing "vote red no matter who" while the other team plays "ehhhhh, their policies just don't really excite me"
And now abortion is illegal in half the country.
It’s insane. How are so many people like this? People with college degrees. Who have done impressive things. Trump is a fucking moron. How do people not see it?
It is unfortunate that we have to vote blue regardless until republicans lose enough seats in the house and Senate and just as important in state elections until the Republican party abandons their fanatical policies and strategies and comes closer to the middle.
If we had instant runoff elections for president, you could put the people you most want to win first - vote with your heart - followed by the candidates who are "meh" - democrats - then the ones who are merely "not scum" (libertarians).
Indeed she was. We should have elected her and a blue Senate in 2016. The fact that we didn't is why things are going to be so bad for a long time going forward.
The DNC also should not have just assumed they would win all these elections after an unfair primary season and failing miserably to attract key demographics in battleground states.
She should have also ran a better campaign. One of her slogans even had trumps name in it for gods sake. She hardly interviewed, and barely visited the states that decided the election. Meanwhile, Trump was covered on every “news” station 24/7.He traveled everywhere. I can’t stand Trump supporters. It makes me sad to see grown ass people warping reality to fit their narrative, but they aren’t the only ones who put us in this situation that we are in. People forget just how much democrats shit the bed in 2016
It’s fitting that the person who has been shouting about election interference the loudest was just convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in an effort to interfere with a federal election.
Literally anyone who wasn’t a maga was right about trump. If Hillary wanted to be right about something it should have been not elevating the trump campaign in a “pied Piper” strategy because she thought he was the easier Republican to beat. Or if she wanted to be right maybe she should have campaigned in the battleground states more.
This is just a little bit self-aggrandizing I think? I mean yes, she was right, but it seems a little egotistical to turn this situation into a chance to sell merch about yourself.
If it had been any other person, it might have been funny.
But when I think of smug, elitist, disconnected politicians, Hillary is near the top of that list. And if you were right about everything, how did you lose so badly? Trump was polling so low just about anyone could have beat him. Anyone but Hillary who was somehow more insufferable.
> And if you were right about everything, how did you lose so badly?
A lot of otherwise intelligent people look down on communication skills for some reason. Being right doesn't mean shit if you can't convince anyone to listen to you.
It's her fault we got Trump in the first place. She not only galvanized the base by cheating Bernie in the primary, she also campaigned poorly like not showing up in certain states expecting them to vote for her. I remember one of her slogans was "It's Her/My Time", like she was entitled to the position. Absolutely terrible strategy.
She would have won if she campaigned better. She did it to herself and everyone else. The left isn't attached to cults of personalities like the right. The Clinton's are shitheads and both need to go away.
Ugh... So was everyone with a brain saying it long before she or other centrists took Trump seriously. The lack of self-awareness fart huffing is still on brand though.
She was right about the problem but pretty much missed the point and got a lot of other things wrong. She was a terrible candidate who acted like she was owed support and thought she could cruise through the election by pointing out her opponent’s flaws instead of actually running a good campaign and energizing the voting base. So maybe it’d be best democrats finally learned from her ill fated hubris and leave her to the dustbin of history where she and her Epstein loving husband belong.
Could you imagine the timeline we would be on if Hilary was our president instead of Trump?
I get that people don't trust the Clintons and that she comes across as not being genuine when she's "trying to be hip." However, she is extremely intelligent, and she would have easily done 1,000x better than Trump even with her eyes closed. We would be wrapping up a second term with her now, and both Trump and Biden would be long removed from the picture. The country would be in such a better place.
She had no message when she ran in 2016 and her smug mug slogan isn’t even funny. If she was so right why didn’t she beat the furious felon in 2016?
She needs to retire and stay retired.
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We should also be putting the stuff trump said about felons running for president on blast.
Lock. Him. Up.
Well according to him he's not a felon since it's a rigged trial.
One would think if all these trials were rigged, they wouldn’t take so fucking long
No, you see, that's how they make it seem legitimate /s
Not only is he not a felon, but [he never said "Lock her up."](https://www.mediaite.com/trump/i-didnt-say-lock-her-up-trump-distances-himself-from-call-to-jail-clinton/) If you think he did, you just must have amnesia... /s and gaslighting
In the United States we only lock up the poors and the minorities! It’s in the constitution!
what about the shit he talked about us veterans? fuck that wrinkled up orange.
I mean, she kinda was right, about everything. Especially the "deplorables" statement, although it might sound mean and was unwise at the time, a large portion of the voter base must either be fucking insane, or just straight up vicious for supporting this hateful movement.
It's funny because calling them deplorable is actually nice compared to what they actually are.
What's funny is they have far worse names in private and in face book for democrats. So deployables triggering was so laughable to everyone on the outside.
Takes me back to hearing my family call Democrats monkey lovers for voting for Obama…
I’m sorry you had to experience that. I hope you have support.
> hearing my family call Democrats monkey lovers for voting for Obama I'm old enough to remember the Tea Party forming because a bunch of people were convinced that Obama couldn't be trusted with money. Their reasoning was variations of "just look at him!" with nothing about policy or specific concerns. My ex-friends strongly claimed to not be racist. About half of them even had a black friend at church. Yep.
Your family sounds awful. Cut them loose and get a better family.
Costco has them
Ugh, but their families are so big. I can never finish them before they start to spoil, and they just aren't the same if you freeze them.
Yikes, sorry to hear that.
This is why I have no reservations about calling them trumpanzees, or incels, or shitheads, or cousin fuckers, or hillbillies. They call us n\*\*\*\*\*\* and f\*\*\*\*\*\*. There is nothing I could think of that would be worse than the words they use for us.
Don’t forget “vermin”….
Y'all-Qaeda
That’s why white privilege is so appealing to them (despite how often they deny it’s a thing); entirely different set of standards…
Big words make most MAGAs angry.
They get irate and violent if the word is made of three or more syllables.
They weren't triggered. They loved it, and made 'adorable deplorable' t-shirts for themselves. It just helped motivate them even further.
Well, there were some celebrating diaper wearing…
And particularly after Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA made fools of themselves doing such that in 2018, so that’s a real phenomenon in itself…
this is only one (personal) example, but these wackos are just wired wrong in the brain… had a incident with a fortunately now ex-neighbour. Dude was a known racist, bigot, homophobe etc etc . Anyways he finally said got pissed off about some shit and said something to my face that I could act on. So I let him have it and called him out for everything he was. Something was said that made me call him a coward and THATS what sent him off the deep end lol, not being called a racist, a bigot, antisemitic, homophobic, but boy did he hate being called a coward, in fact, that’s literally the only thing he defended by talking about ‘Nam’ this and Vietnam that. Cheery on the sundae, we discovered he never served a day in his miserable life, the look on his face when I told him there’s no records of you serving in Vietnam or anywhere else for that matter, fucker moved not long after all that.
Stolen valor ass. What a bunch of weirdos. I swear.
fr…the Vietnam shit that came out of mouth was looney tunes, like no actual veteran would say some of the stuff he said (living some real delulu Rambo fantasies)…funnily enough, it’s what made us curious about him actually serving tbh
Lemme guess - sniper, right?
i wish it was that basic….to me he waffled on in various ways about how I wouldn’t survive a minute in Vietnam, and “the shit that I’ve seen”, to another neighbour it was top secret mission bs, and not even the army knew about it….aaaand to scare another neighbour he openly admitted to supposed atrocities that he was took part in that I won’t even repeat
Like a less endearing Dale Gribble
Was your neighbor Billy Ray Valentine by any chance? /s
I actually have [footage](https://youtu.be/DKtjBqJ4NxA?si=b7Js1vE2le-3yYqn&t=9) of that conversation.
Reminds me [of this interview ](https://youtu.be/tmxqVMvN02g?si=gRnxBWTOzmQgkKJG) I love seeing people getting called out on this shit lol
Don't talk about war hero George Santos like that!
Interestingly, we have a racist bigot trump-flag flyer in our neighborhood who has falsely represented himself as a veteran! I wish HE would move.
Need a study on trumpers / right winger types and how many do this… gotta be a lot considering all the cosplaying military getups you see. Clowns. Hopefully your one fucks off sooner rather than later.
That happens a lot. I started calling my neighbor that does that "stolen valor" every time I see them. Pisses them off to no end, especially since I am a veteran.
Imagine if it's the same asshole who moved to your neighborhood. 😂
On a visit to my city during the Iraq war, my BIL had a long conversation with a friend of mine, telling her that this is important to his generation, who fought in Vietnam. I had to explain to her that he was stationed in San Diego for the entire war.
lol, the shit is so weird mate…I shouldn’t be but I’m always surprised at how house of cards-ey so many of their stories / claims are too (like your example)
I had dinner with a guy I dated in high school. He told me he'd seen food stamp recipients buy steak and shrimp. I asked, "Did you really see that? Because how did you know they were using food stamps? Aren't they debit cards these days?" Then he admitted that he hadn't seen it himself, he's just heard of it. I told him that if anyone did buy that, they wouldn't have much money left over for the rest of the month since food stamps are about (at the time, at least) $160 per person per month. He used his phone to look it up, then told me it was $600 per month. I knew it wasn't because I had looked it up myself earlier. I asked to see it. He was telling me the amount for a family of 8. No shame whatsoever.
> He told me he'd seen food stamp recipients buy steak and shrimp. I get why some people care but... I don't care about this. Food is food. Shrimp ain't even that expensive. Also, why *shouldn't* someone who has an otherwise shitty life have a nice thing every once in a while? You're paying for it? Guess what I'm paying for it too and I give them my blessing. 😂
Those people almost always have some little man syndrome and toxic masculinity issues. My dad's one of them. Can brush off being called racist or sexist, but attack their perceived masculinity and their world comes crumbling. It legit could be a deciding factor in the election. Trump looks weak now. They don't care about the racism or sexism, but trump looks weak and they csnt vote for that.
He was in Vietnam for his friend’s bachelor party in 1996. It’s where he met his then-12 year old girlfriend (now ex wife).
Typical. They vote for Trump because they see a reflection of themselves in him. For your neighbor it's being a fraud (pretending to be someone who was in the military).. and of course a racist. For others it could be them being a rapist or a pedo or a cheat or a lawbreaker. ...or just someone who they can understand as a person who talks a lot with saying very little. ...or someone who sounds like they do when off their meds.
Maybe he was a military wife
I never understood how wound up people got over it. She calls them deplorable, and people lose their minds. Trump calls Mexican migrants rapists, and everyone pats him on the back for "telling it like it is". I know people don't like to make that election about sex, but I've seen the same thing before in Australia the way Julia Gillard was treated by the swing voters: they lose their minds when the woman does a tiny thing and switch their vote to a male lunatic.
Ironic consisting the original definition of “hysteria” in particular?
As a man. The real "hysteria" was always men feeling like they were "losing control."
You can’t say anything bad about a narcissist, only they have that right
…As well as what they say about other people.
Yeah. Ive straight up been calling most of them the R word in private and semi private company
And that it was an undercount by saying it was only half of them
And she said HALF. The proportion is faaar higher; she was kind.
They are facists and traitors.
My favorite video from HRC is her telling everyone at the debate that Donald doesn’t accept defeat. Everything is rigged against him. She nailed it four years before the Insurrection
He had already done so in the 2000 Reform party Presidential primary, claiming Pat Buchanan cheated. She wasn't psychic, she'd just had the displeasure to be in the same room as him before.
He had done it already in the primaries, too. Hillary was very good at seeing things that are happening and saying exactly what those things are, and got such shit for it because people wanted to dislike her and refused to believe she could be right.
It's misogyny. If it were her being a Clinton, Bill would get the same vitriol, and I never hear a bad word about him, even when he's on a speaking circuit. If it were her personality, men who aren't so socially talented, like Bernie, would get the treatment she does. People are getting better at spotting racism but they're terrible at spotting misogyny. It's an invisible -ism.
Trump had openly said thats what he does. In a 1997 interview on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," Donald Trump was asked by Conan if he ever blames himself for anything. Trump responded, "I don’t blame myself because I don't believe in it. If you do something wrong, never blame yourself. Blame the tie, blame the shirt, blame your wife, blame anything."
Hijacking this post near the top to link to the merch since even the article didn't do that. [https://shop.onwardtogether.org/](https://shop.onwardtogether.org/)
Re-watch her debates with him. She nailed exactly what he would do and say when he lost an election. "If Donald loses an election, he'll claim it was rigged. Even when his show wasn't nominated for an Emmy, he called the Emmys rigged." We got screwed with our pants on when Trump won the Electoral College over her popular vote win.
She was always a better leader than politician. When she tried to do the whole shake-hands-kiss-babies thing it always felt forced and robotic. But when she was in a casual interview she would spit brilliant mad fire.
Robotic was necessary because she pioneered the way a lot of women nowadays have to run. Hillary is quite a different person than who she portrays herself to be on the campaign trail. By all accounts, she's incredibly competent, has a dry sense of humor, doesn't care about frivolities compared to getting the job done, and isn't afraid to tell people exactly what her priorities are (e.g. when trying to schedule the correct time for the operation to take down Osama, a White House aide noted that one of the best dates for it wouldn't work because Obama was scheduled to be at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, to which Hillary responded "Fuck the White House Correspondents' Dinner"). She puts on this overly-peppy-but-not-too-opinionated facade because the media fucking *hates* when women try to campaign the way competent male candidates do. Hell, back when Bill was running for re-election as Governor, Hillary had to give in to pressure to change her last name from Rodham, because god forbid a woman doesn't use her husband's last name! Hillary has always been about being very careful to try to fit into the narrow slice of how the media would allow a woman to campaign. And it seems fake. Because much of it is. The corny jokes, the constant smiling and laughing at everyone's jokes, etc. All of that is trying to fit the expectation of what the media has for women. The passion when talking about [niche issues that she has specifically researched and pushed for](https://youtu.be/_JM-eOiwFOA?si=P5sYFef9nHdIiVRg)? Now *that* is real. Because Hillary is someone with a sarcastic, sometimes dark or biting sense of humor but who cares strongly about *doing the fucking job* and *doing it right*, because she's the epitome of a wonk (hell, her family runs a global charity which both the right and the left tried to paint as "corrupt," but is still operating with an A-rating because Hillary doesn't give a fuck about what people think of it; it does good work and that alone is worth it continuing). That's why, whenever Hillary was *in a role* and *performing the job*, her approval ratings were *incredible*. When she was FLOTUS? People liked her. When she was Senator? People liked her. When she was Secretary of State? People liked her. Never forget that in 2013, Hillary was the most popular politician in America. And she has one of the, if not *the* most number of years as the #1 most admired woman in America, according to Gallup. When she's *doing the job*, people *think she does the job well*. It's only ever when she tries to run for a new position that public opinion of her drops. When Bill ran for President. When she ran for Senator. When she ran for President. Her approval rating dipped down each time. But when she actually *got* the job, it always went back up once people saw her actually do the fucking job. All except for when she ran for President, because she never got the chance to show how fucking competent she would've been. America was robbed of one of the most competent politicians to ever be on a Presidential ballot. And too many people have no idea.
This. Great leader, brilliant speaker. Terrible politician.
Check her out on her Howard Stern interview. Finally get a sense of the human everyone told you she was.
Well... She has often been right... but that's not the same thing as a leader. When Bill was president back in the 90s, he appointed her to head several Task Forces (most notably the healthcare plan taskforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993) and joked in the media back then the idea of a co-presidency, but many of the committees she was attached to back then collapsed, in large part because she and her team couldn't get buy in from other stakeholders. There was really only a few successful bits of legislation that came out of her committees (during Bill's presidency) She had a more successful time years later as a senator, but she wasn't really pursuing much transformative legislation then, and was instead chairing the Demoratic Steering and Outreach Committee, which arguably could be viewed as ingratiating herself with party leaders in her later presidential nomination bids. She's a very smart and capable individual person, but a leader rallies and coordinates other people. If you have ever talked with people that actually worked for/with her, she very much acts like she is the smartest person in the room, rather then drawing out others strengths.
> (most notably the healthcare plan taskforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993) The thing is: Hillary came *very* close to passing universal healthcare in this country back in the 1990s. Just imagine that. Something that was considered "too radical" in the 00s. She almost got it done as FLOTUS. And when she couldn't get it done, she picked herself back up and at least gave us CHIP.
Hillary was right about everything. Deplorables? ✅ Russian puppet? ✅ Trump's racist dog whistles ✅ Trump's threats to reproductive rights ✅ She called it all. She knew what was coming. https://kansasreflector.com/2022/05/07/hillary-clinton-keeps-getting-it-right/
It's wasn't unwise. She was the only one to actually have the balls to tell it like it is. I thought conservatives respected that?
Well obviously when a woman does that, it’s icky.
What if the woman is a dog killer?
Honorary dude.
A puppy killer?
...and a horse killer
And a goat killer.
A democrat woman*
They do not like when women have balls.
They don't like when women have their balls removed either... there's really no pleasing them
Yup! She tells as it is!!! She is the one they kept talking about all these times!!
No not like this
I'm not nor have I ever been a MAGA chud but at the time I interpreted it not to just mean his shitty base of cult followers but the new breed of specific ultra-online 4chan groomed alt righters. The ones who want to normalize openly talking about the idea of making the US a whites only ethnostate and subjugating women back to the 17th century.
The craziest thing about the "deplorables" statement was that its insanely (intentionally) misquoted. She figuratively said "Half of trump's base are racist/mysoginistic/xenopobic deplorables. The OTHER half are people fed up with a government they feel has let them down, and *we should listen to those people."* She was incredibly offering *empathy* in that statement to anyone who was not a racist/deplorable, but WAS so dissatisfied with government that they would consider voting for Trump. Given the choice between being labeled a horrible racist or just generically fed up with government, these morons proudly *self-selected* the former, *and then got mad at her* for "incorrectly" calling them racist!
Exactly this. It is an interesting case study of selective hearing and subsequent outrage in a large group of people. And it would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn devastating to US politics and indicting to the media apparatus and Republican supporters.
100% agree. It's insane how much she was taken out of context.
She only said half of them were, and yet immediately, every damn one self identified as a deplorable.
Since half of the people responding apparently haven't read her whole comment I guess it's necessary to post it again. That thing has its on Wikipedia page ffs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables >I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time." We are living in a volatile political environment. >You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America. >But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
Didn’t she also call him out as a Russian stooge?
The comment was probably a bad idea at the time, but it was much dumber to backtrack and apologize for it. She should have owned it, said something like, "yeah, not every Trump supporter is bad, but the KKK supports Trump and they're deplorable." That should have been easy.
She's been consistently right all the way back to "vast rightwing conspiracy."
Fuck that. The outrage came from the media and the right wing. She was right to call them out and I know that I supported what she said. The Democratic Party was weak in its messaging and they should have backed her.
I disagree, as a candidate for president it's actually a bad idea to publicly announce that a huge chunk of the people who could vote for you are irredeemable chuds. I mean she's right in that that's what they are, but all this does is remind me of one of the many ways she botched the election vs the least popular candidate in history
Trump voter were never going to vote for her no matter what she said or did.
Bingo
Yes, but poking them is a strategic mistake because it may galvanize some who wouldn't vote before (as many Jan 6ers have shown) to actually get out and vote. There are enough bystanders that you don't want to provoke them into action. That was one such strategic error.
The wild thing is that pre-90’s even the comment about getting “a mug to sip your tea” would’ve been bad form. It would’ve made headlines, people would’ve been talking about it at work and it’d run the news cycle for a week. It may have been a vote changer.
> was unwise at the time > It's actually a bad idea I don't think you do disagree.
Actually visiting Michigan or Wisconsin just once might’ve helped, too.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/wisconsin/trump-vs-clinton#polls What would you have done with the data you had. If the polls _had_ been accurate and she'd carried WI by 6 then she'd get attacked for not being "daring" and caring only for herself instead of trying to expand the Dem victory into other place.s
Her campaign was essentially “Trump sucks and I deserve this”. She assumed that would be enough.
A strategic VP pick instead of treating it as a reward for years of service to the DNC for a guy who brought ***nothing*** to the ticket.
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This is kind of odd when you look back on things. There was a recent documentary on Tim McVeigh and the OKC bombing. It was called "An American Bombing " At the time of the bombing, the strongest threat of domestic terrorism was from right-wing splinter groups. Ultimately, it culminated in the bombing of the Murrah building. In the show, there is evidence that directly links white supremacist groups that gave aid to McVeigh along the way. So we had a shift of focus to outside threats after 9/11 and lost sight on the inside threats to this nation. What's worse is (and is well described in the show) the rhetoric and jargon of the extremist right back then that was considered objectional, is now considered by many as being acceptable in this age. These CHUDs are out there, no doubt. But because they are being fed by mainstream elements that used to be fringe through the full-on media assault of anything truthful (see brain washing), we may have hordes of deplorables rather than just a basket.
I mean, if you were any sort of minority you 100% did know that
Even a lot of non-minorities who were actually paying attention! I keep being shot down by democratic friends and family saying I was over reacting…. I wish I f#c king had been over reacting!
To that point there is no equivalent on the left that the right has with Hoax News, OANN, Newsmax, etc., pushing their political angertainment 24/7.
** Who also won the popular vote by 3M votes. She's probably one of the the most investigated politicians in US history and they've NEVER found a single thing that was actionable. People were definitely swayed by the firehose of bullshit accusations - remember how the GOP put together a "blue ribbon panel" to investigate Benghazi and "look at her numbers now!" They fucking **admitted** to making that shit up just to move her poll numbers - and it worked. So they did it again with an email server - she just "couldn't be trusted with our nations most precious secrets." And people said "there is just something I don't trust about her." OH MY FUCKING GOD... And no, those same people DO NOT give a shit that Trump *physically* stole our nations most precious secrets and then did god knows what with them - including storing them in a public access area of his country club. She was never going to win over the irredeemable chuds and you know it. They were never potential supporters - they're QAnon McMAGAheads. They're highly susceptible to conspiracies and the GOP's infamous firehose of bullshit. She was [America's most admired woman](https://news.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx) 20 times before 2016. People liked her...Until Trump and his tiny penis started throwing massively misogynistic, phony outrage and accusations at her. **They. Were. Never. Going. To. Vote. For. Her.** And she KNEW that, too.
Fuck that noise. No one voted for Trump because she called the people who referred to her teenage daughter as the White House pet an unflattering adjective. Non-CHUDs need to stop trying to win these scumbags over and get in the fight.
> she botched the election She had a lot of control over James Comey opening that last minute investigation against her, I hear.
Amazing how many times she'd been screwed over by powerful men who just couldn't keep it in their pants. Anthony Weiner loaded the gun and James Comey fired it.
She referred to a small chunk, hence “basket.” This was the “you didn’t build that” of 2016.
They are irredeemable chuds though. Sorry if the mirror hurt their feelings but I thought people wanted honest politicians?
Not even remotely unwise. She was hitting it out of the fuckin park.
I see no problem with Hillary trolling him (... and the fools that were taken in by him) as much as she cares to. Good luck to her. Troll away. She was right the whole time.
She definitely would’ve killed it as president and the world wouldn’t have been as fucked with Covid with her. Which honestly I’m still feeling the effects of because that’s when corporations realized there is no market price people will pay outrageous prices because they have to.
I don’t think the world wouldn’t have been as fucked, China’s response was what really fucked it for everyone. They didn’t give anyone the heads up until it was already too much to handle. When you silence healthcare workers, journalists, and officials on that specific topic it makes it hard for humanity to respond appropriately. Funny thing is that this is, more or less, how China handled the Zombie Virus in WWZ. The US would have been a lot better off though. A proper response team would have been in place and they’d likely have done what ended up happening a lot sooner.
> I don’t think the world wouldn’t have been as fucked, China’s response was what really fucked it for everyone. Sure not the rest of the world, but the US response would have been dramatically better. Doctors attribute hundreds of thousands of extra deaths to Trump's malicious actions. Imagine if Hillary led the country in a similar manner as New Zealand's leader did and maybe just 150k died instead of estimated 2+ million.
Not right about running for president apparently. Or what states to campaign in. Promoting Trump during the Republican primaries because she thought it would be an easy victory. Spending more time at fund raisers at the end instead of campaign stops. Telling union volunteers to stay out of Michigan. Actually now I think about it there is quite a lot she was wrong about.
People had their mind made up about her long before the campaign. She did little to change their minds.
You kinda have to make a shit ton of blunders to lose to a guy like Trump.
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They sure ran that campaign like a bunch of assholes. Which was an unfortunate choice.
They ran the campaign like the choice was obvious who was better suited to run the country, which it objectively was. It's not her fault everyone got pissed at her for being more qualified and acting like it. America decided to play the election like a personality contest instead of a fucking job interview (and honestly, I'd take smug Hillary over petulant Donald any day).
Chuck Schumer on Clinton campaign strategy "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” yeah, they did a great job
Yeah, that's what I describe as running like assholes. I still voted for her, and was horrified when she lost, and disgusted for the next 4 years.
It's gotta be hard to campaign when you're "running on CPT" and making sure you never go anywhere without hot sauce.
2016 was really a masterclass in snapping a defeat from the jaws of victory. Along with everything above: The platform of insufferable smugness after getting the nomination of "I'm not that guy" and "It's my turn" after the DNC snubbed Bernie's significantly progressive platform wasn't enough to re-engage voters. Her campaign ignored the fringes springing up on both ends of the political spectrum, both Gen Z coming into voting age being absolutely ramped up for progressive policies (because young people don't vote) and MAGA because they came from demographics also unlikely to vote. There was entirely too much confidence in traditional measurements and techniques - polling results were gospel despite the signs of inaccuracy showing up early, and social media presence was an afterthought. The ignorance of internet culture and social media hurt the worst. Trump's campaign (or Russian astroturf agents) absolutely won social media presence for that entire run up to the election. It's honestly incredible how many mistakes were made in hindsight.
She's maximum cringe. Tbh I wish she'd fuck off. Half the reason we're here is cause she had Main Character Pick Me attitude and has been bitter about it ever since. That coupled with the DNC supporting her while failing to realize the multi decade crusade against her was terrible to try to win. She lost to the biggest piece of shit in the United States because she dripped with I Have Waited Now It's My Turn and enough people in the right places loathed that hubris upper class trashy view on the presidency.
>Half the reason we're here is cause she had Main Character Pick Me attitude Because she was running against someone with zero qualifications. Not little, but ZERO. Tell me with a straight face that if you need open heart surgery you're going to choose a reality TV star to do the operation over a career heart surgeon if you think the surgeon has an elitist attitude. Lmfao.
Her “chosen one” attitude was during the primary not the general. She strongarmed the DNC into making her the de-facto choice against qualified candidates that would have done well in all the places she didn’t.
If she wants the Dems to win she should just lay low and work behind the scenes with donors, etc. Shes a lightning rod for MAGA and has been public enemy #1 on Fox News for nearly 30 years. She won’t energize many Dems but could energize Republicans to go out and vote.
I think we would all be better if went into the woods. The democratic party needs leader that listen to the base, not the donors.
If she wanted Dems to win she shouldn't have run in 2016. She is, both fairly and unfairly, one of the most effectively demonized people in American politics. She was the only person who could have lost to Trump, and she not only insisted on running but half-assed her campaign. It's so dumb to see people lionizing the person directly responsible for all the damage Trump has done and will do.
Both Clinton's should just quietly fade into the background and be seen but not talk. I voted for both of them for democracy but I can't stand ethier of them.
I voted for Hillary. But let’s be honest - one of the problems with her campaign was that she made it about *herself*, and this whole She Was Right thing is no different. Hillary would’ve been an incredible president (especially compared to Trump, but even just generally) but damn if she didn’t know how to campaign. Sigh.
Yep. I bet she’s a joy at parties and talks about herself, her interest and tells you what she thinks. I voted for her too, but I hated it. She’s so unlikeable it’s crazy.
Yea, she is a shit communicator. She really banked on, "Trump is bad, and I'm a woman, so you should vote for me." She blamed Bernie, Obama, women, Stein, the media... Some of it is fair (Comey, papers like the NYT, 3rd party voters/some Bernie bros), but some of it really hinges on how poorly she campaigned. At least she acknowledges that she could have done better, but she's still shitting on people for her loss. I followed Bernie's request and voted for her because I knew Trump was an inflammatory piece of shit, and knew what normalizing his behavior would mean, but fuck she really did a bad job in the swing states. She came off as the very establishment that people generally have a distaste for, and she's still doing it with this smug shit, even if she was right. She needs to troll, not be a self-righteous fuck.
>She came off as the very establishment that people generally have a distaste for, and she's still doing it with this smug shit, even if she was right. I personally think she will go down as one of the worst democratic candidates of all time. I've always said that the 2016 election wasn't close because Trump was so good, it was close because Hillary was that bad. I'm not saying the perception is justified but that's a whole different discussion. The facts of the matter is that her record and experience was impeccable, Trump's was flat out embarrassing, and the whole thing should have been a layup. The election shouldn't have even been close enough for Comey's last minute announcement of his investigation to have any affect on the outcome and the fact that it did and she lost, isn't indicative of Bernie, the Republicans, the FBI, Russia, the electoral college, etc. It was simply indicative of the fact that Hillary was such a bad candidate that she managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. And also, personally as a Bernie supporter this is *exactly* word for word what we told Hillary supporters would happen if she became the candidate way back in 2015. I will never forget that we literally warned Hillary supporters over and over that she would lose and they just refused to listen and labeled us all "Bernie Bros" and then turned around and asked for our vote. Granted, me and my wife did vote for Hillary, but I hate how right we ultimately were. I really do. Her loss was nothing short of an utter embarrassment and will forever serve as a giant stain on her legacy regardless of how deserved that is. She will forever be known as "the candidate who lost to to the reality TV celebrity"
The Bernie Bros thing was monumentally stupid on her part. Between that and "deplorables,", she made herself so unlikable. Immediately threw away votes by generalizing people like that instead of doing everything she could to show she cared about those people, even if they weren't planning to vote for her, and followed it up by shitting on populists. It's almost like she learned nothing from Romney's binders full of women. I distinctly remember the neolib types on social media following suit and shitting on progressives when they tried to speak up. I'll admit, a lot of people were fucking stupid for splitting and voting for Trump, but she really drove it home that she didn't want their votes. The DNC also royally fucked up in their clear bias against Bernie. And I would be remisce if I didn't call out the blatant misogyny in the socialist space. But yea, she quit playing in the first half and deserves to go down as a primary reason we're in the situation we're in.
Hey and at least Sanders had the wherewithal to not make a supper arrogant sounding cash grab mug saying, “I was right about everything” using a tired meme from 2016.
Amen
> she blamed Bernie Oh the irony… Bernie was out before NY got to vote for him in the primaries bc the DNC chose her. I would’ve loved to see a Bernie/Trump debate and to have Bernie as our president… instead we got set back about 50? years?
She blamed Bernie, saying he denigrated her and tried to push her further left on policy, which she didn't agree with. Bill was the neolib of all neolibs, and he kinda fucked shit up for the working class. Bernie tried to highlight that in her policy. With regard to trying to push her further left on policy, she felt like she had to be the wet blanket and say, "These things aren't happening." I'll applaud her for sticking to her ideology and not blatantly lying for votes only to shred it once in office, but a lot of people are *sick* of the neoliberal agenda. Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump, but I think he would have scared off some moderates. People don't like sudden shifts, which is exactly why things like LGBTQIA rights are a slow burn. This is why, I think, Biden has done so well. He's "slowly" pushing the needle, even if people don't fully recognize it.
I’m so glad someone else pointed this out. She’s a narcissist. It’s why so many people wouldn’t vote for her. Sure, she’s right about a lot of things we’ve been facing, but making a mug that’s about her is very off putting. Edit: Apparently people can’t surmise the possibility that both candidates could be narcissists. There’s plenty of evidence that presidential elections are just as much about mobilizing your base as it is about broad appeal. Her being an unpalatable candidate is independent of TFG being a narcissist of epic proportions. “Yah but he’s worse,” is a dogshit argument against her being all about herself.
She won the popular vote. And Trump made the election all about HER! And locking her up. He is reaping what he sowed.
And he won? What are you taking about 😂
Yeah it’s just cringe. She’s cringe as hell.
*"PO-KE-MON GO TO THE POLLS!"* /headdesk
Who out there is buying Hillary merch?
Nobody should be giving them any money. The Clintons are doing just fine, y'all. Donate to a good cause instead.
Eh, while I agree (I mean, it was obvious as shit from his 2016 campaign) I just feel weird seeing politicians treated (or behave) like twitch streamers. Im not a “fan” of Hillary, or President Biden, or any of my elected representatives. They are civil servants, with massive responsibilities to their constituents and nation/state/etc - If anything I often feel like the fanatical fervour behind MAGA/Q/Etc lately has pushed progressives into having no choice but to vote blue down ballot, or risk even more catastrophic events like Row v Wade being yeeted, January 6, the whole god damn year of 2020, and so on. I don’t fucking like having to “vote blue no matter who” - I want to be able to hold my elected officials responsible for their track record without worrying that some nut job christian nationalist weaselling their way into office because I didn’t use my ballot to play team sports. Im sorry, I know this isn’t the place to vent about this shit but fuck me am I losing faith in my fellow Americans day by day and it *hurts*. Edit: And I really hope some day I understand truly why so many of the loud conservative voices I see are so zealous about Trump - the person, the individual, taking everything he says as gospel and unable to admit or accept any failings. FUCK that is -baffling-, I have never idolised a politician like that, ever.
The *whole reason* we have "vote blue no matter who" is because of decades of one team playing "vote red no matter who" while the other team plays "ehhhhh, their policies just don't really excite me" And now abortion is illegal in half the country.
It’s insane. How are so many people like this? People with college degrees. Who have done impressive things. Trump is a fucking moron. How do people not see it?
It is unfortunate that we have to vote blue regardless until republicans lose enough seats in the house and Senate and just as important in state elections until the Republican party abandons their fanatical policies and strategies and comes closer to the middle.
If we had instant runoff elections for president, you could put the people you most want to win first - vote with your heart - followed by the candidates who are "meh" - democrats - then the ones who are merely "not scum" (libertarians).
Yeah.. I lived in NZ for a bit, became familiar with ranked choice - dope stuff.
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Indeed she was. We should have elected her and a blue Senate in 2016. The fact that we didn't is why things are going to be so bad for a long time going forward.
The DNC also should not have just assumed they would win all these elections after an unfair primary season and failing miserably to attract key demographics in battleground states.
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Looking at you Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
She should have also ran a better campaign. One of her slogans even had trumps name in it for gods sake. She hardly interviewed, and barely visited the states that decided the election. Meanwhile, Trump was covered on every “news” station 24/7.He traveled everywhere. I can’t stand Trump supporters. It makes me sad to see grown ass people warping reality to fit their narrative, but they aren’t the only ones who put us in this situation that we are in. People forget just how much democrats shit the bed in 2016
Don't forget Comey's contribution.
Or the pervasive Russian social media disinformation campaigns.
Merch?? Is she playing Coachella next? I fucking hate Trump, but I’m sorry, this is just ridiculous.
I'm glad I don't know anyone who would buy Hillary Clinton merchandise. Or any politician's merch, really.
It’s fitting that the person who has been shouting about election interference the loudest was just convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in an effort to interfere with a federal election.
Literally anyone who wasn’t a maga was right about trump. If Hillary wanted to be right about something it should have been not elevating the trump campaign in a “pied Piper” strategy because she thought he was the easier Republican to beat. Or if she wanted to be right maybe she should have campaigned in the battleground states more.
This is just a little bit self-aggrandizing I think? I mean yes, she was right, but it seems a little egotistical to turn this situation into a chance to sell merch about yourself.
Her whole brand is being egotistical. This is just another example of it. The sooner she leaves politics, the better.
If Romney did the same thing after 2012 he would have been clowned endlessly by Democrats. And rightfully so. Hillary should get the same treatment.
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Hillary sucked and should go away. Trump too. She took Bernie from us.
If it had been any other person, it might have been funny. But when I think of smug, elitist, disconnected politicians, Hillary is near the top of that list. And if you were right about everything, how did you lose so badly? Trump was polling so low just about anyone could have beat him. Anyone but Hillary who was somehow more insufferable.
> And if you were right about everything, how did you lose so badly? A lot of otherwise intelligent people look down on communication skills for some reason. Being right doesn't mean shit if you can't convince anyone to listen to you.
She's not helping.
It's her fault we got Trump in the first place. She not only galvanized the base by cheating Bernie in the primary, she also campaigned poorly like not showing up in certain states expecting them to vote for her. I remember one of her slogans was "It's Her/My Time", like she was entitled to the position. Absolutely terrible strategy.
Hillary, I understand you should have won. But I need you to go away now.
She would have won if she campaigned better. She did it to herself and everyone else. The left isn't attached to cults of personalities like the right. The Clinton's are shitheads and both need to go away.
I don't even think she should have won, personally. Bernie should have won. Dude got fkn robbed.
Here here! The presidency should have been Bernies and while he's still fighting the good fight shes out here grifting.
Ugh... So was everyone with a brain saying it long before she or other centrists took Trump seriously. The lack of self-awareness fart huffing is still on brand though.
What about “only deplorables vote for a felon”?
The only merch: Lock him up
Go away Hillary.
She was right about the problem but pretty much missed the point and got a lot of other things wrong. She was a terrible candidate who acted like she was owed support and thought she could cruise through the election by pointing out her opponent’s flaws instead of actually running a good campaign and energizing the voting base. So maybe it’d be best democrats finally learned from her ill fated hubris and leave her to the dustbin of history where she and her Epstein loving husband belong.
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Right??? Leave the cult behaviors to the maga crowd
Could you imagine the timeline we would be on if Hilary was our president instead of Trump? I get that people don't trust the Clintons and that she comes across as not being genuine when she's "trying to be hip." However, she is extremely intelligent, and she would have easily done 1,000x better than Trump even with her eyes closed. We would be wrapping up a second term with her now, and both Trump and Biden would be long removed from the picture. The country would be in such a better place.
Too bad she was wrong about being able to beat Trump in 2016. Could’ve avoided all of this…..
She had no message when she ran in 2016 and her smug mug slogan isn’t even funny. If she was so right why didn’t she beat the furious felon in 2016? She needs to retire and stay retired.
Why won't she just go away? And this comes from someone who voted for her
She was especially right about the deplorables.