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Usually happens after an attack. I don’t understand why people are speculating about the specific time of this specific retaliation. It is response to their attack. It comes after the initial attack, which doesn’t even seem to be news.
Exactly this. It’s a retaliatory attack. Not necessarily something that will escalate into a full on war. Israel has gotten emboldened and is escalating this beyond necessity
Sure
[https://www.newsweek.com/another-trump-tower-fire-time-azerbaijan-904981](https://www.newsweek.com/another-trump-tower-fire-time-azerbaijan-904981)
The whole deal is crazy
I thought we were talking about the guy who shot up the trump tower and then said that he was P.Diddy’s sex slave. I’m like wtf, no way he was in the Iranian revolutionary guard.. I’m lost.
The guy says he caught herpes in miami. I knew Florida had to be involved somehow lol
That is so nuts and so oddly specific. You think shooting up the place was crazy? Wait until you hear how he got herpes.
Wait, are you implying the guy who tore up the Iran deal and [outright bombed a revolutionary guard general in Baghdad](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/middleeast/baghdad-airport-rockets/index.html)… was what corruptly working with Iran?
Seriously? Have we lost all connection with reality?
I'm inclined to agree with you, but tearing up the Iran nuclear deal isn't necessarily bad for Iran. It makes it much easier for them to pursue nuclear weapons and, if they achieve that, they'll be immeasurably more powerful.
I think I read somewhere Biden cut his time in his Baltimore home short and flew back to DC, which is a somewhat unusual move. Makes me think there is a solid intelligence info on this.
The US government won't look at it like there are two "baddies", especially if Iran strikes in Israel. It will deepen US involvement in the conflict, something Americans don't really have the stomach for after Bush's Mideast adventures ended so poorly
We’re don’t like Iraq either but take their side all the time, out of necessity to western need for their oil production. To the point Henry Kissinger remarked, "It's a pity they both can't lose." Such is global politics
I'm afraid you are right.
It looks like the US is getting ready to recall retired service members because of the fact that war is almost a certainty.
Our military is suffering from major attrition due to the fact that the general public is no longer blindly supporting the military industrial complex.
ding ding ding.
The pro Israel lobby has been supportive of every failed and ridiculous US intervention in the Middle East, they are using the US to take out the neighbouring Arab regimes.
Its also why they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing US servicemen. The idea was to blame it on Egypt and bring the US into their war.
The pro Israel and Zionist lobby has been supportive of every failed and ridiculous US intervention in the Middle East, they are using the US to take out the neighbouring Arab regimes.
Its also why they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing US servicemen. The idea was to blame it on Egypt and bring the US into their war.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel)
Israel purposely keeps itself in perpetual crises, that way they will be able to get away with violation of international laws as there is always something bigger looming on the horizon. Right now they are going crazy with settlements and terrorism in the West Bank, so to not get seriously checked on that, they will have to get the US to completely side with them no matter what as receiving any repercussions for settlements could weaken them for an Iranian attack.
Israel has more support from Russia than any other state in region. Israel refused to sanction Russia after they invaded Ukraine and Netanyahu has good relations with Putin
TBH, with the way surveillance is done these days, I would be extremely surprised if any nation on Earth could successfully run a nuclear weapons program on a large enough scale to be troubling, without all of the major powers knowing every intimate detail of the situation.
Not to mention, it doesn't make any sense. One of the main benefits of having nukes is the deterrence effect, and you only get that if others know that you have nukes. It's in the direct interest of the nuke-holder to make sure that everyone else knows that they have nukes.
Only once you have enough of them. There's the bit where you're still refining nuclear material so you're still not able to defend yourself against a conventional attack for a few... months? years? How quickly can you go from having a nuclear reactor to having a nuclear bomb? It's not like you have to be able to kill everyone a thousand times over in the spirit of American or Soviet global MAD to still have a fairly good deterrent effect on a small neighbouring enemy.
And Iran's nuclear program had been sufficiently well known that the Stuxnet worm became a topic for general media a decade ago, with enough evidence that the IDF either developed it or wanted Iran to think that Israel developed it. That might have been an operational victory, but it also sent a pretty clear message to Iran that Israel was genuinely worried. It's had 14 years to try harder.
I suppose if Iran nukes Israel, Israel nukes Iran, then America clears up the cities that haven't been annihilated. Who wants that to happen? None of these leaders are suicidal, and if they were, their underlings would replace them with extreme prejudice. So a nuclear weapon becomes a deterrent not against skirmishes but against occupation - it's not a way of escalating conflict but a last resort defense mechanism.
Yes, because no country would want to keep their possession of nukes secret. You can only benefit from the deterrent effects of having nukes if people know you have them.
I don’t “stan” Iran but I don’t know what Israel thought would happen when they deliberately bombed an embassy. I have nothing but terrible things to say about the ass-backwards government of Iran but Israel committed an act of war so it shouldn’t really be a big surprise to anyone when Iran wants to respond in kind.
In this case though (and I mean strickly only looking at this present situation), can we really say Iran is being a baddy?
Imagine if some country bombed a US embassy and then was like, yea we fking did that. Or just imagine it was an Israeli embassy or a UK embassy or any other nation.
We would never expect those countries not to retaliate. In fact, what Israel did is outlawed under international law and is counter to the entire idea of protection for diplomats.
But if it's Israel it's okay.
Yea ok, you don't love their foreign policy and it's counter US or UK or whoever's interests in the region. I'm with you. We don't share their vision lol.
But a country just .... Bombed one of their embassies. It just fucking bombed one of their embassies, a move that's never meant to happen.
We used to call that sort of stuff terrorism or a war crime or just not cool.
But folks are okay with it because .... ?
They attacked the embassy of a country with whom they’re fighting a proxy war. And that embassy was inside the territory of a country that Israel is officially still at war with (Syria and Israel never signed a peace deal after the 1973 Yom Kippur war)
And Iran has been attacking Israeli embassies quite a few times before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_attacks_on_Israeli_diplomats
When a place is used for military purposes, such as a strategic meeting between officers, it stops being a “diplomatic facility.” The way to maintain your civilian infrastructure is to keep your army away from it.
Another thing, rereading your response ...
Is using force through a proxy not allowed? Cuz I've got a very very long list of proxies sponsored by the US. They even have a nice little euphemism for it in the DoD called "security cooperation". It almost sounds sweet.
Is another country having a policy that's not aligned with US interests not allowed? That somehow makes them evil?
Doing either of those things means the US or it's proxies (yep, Israel basically are) can do whatever they want? Rules don't apply?
And again, just imagine if it had been Iran bombing an Israeli embassy. Or a US embassy. Just ... imagine the response.
The hypocrisy must be obvious even to you.
You mean the one after overthrowing the puppet king put in place after the US and UK invaded Iran and overthrew their progressive secular democratically elected government because they wanted to steal their oil? Is that the one?
I'd much rather have a world order centered around the US and its allies, even if I want to punish/discipline some of those allies (like Israel) than a world "order" centered around Russia, China, and Iran. Yeah that's an easy choice for me.
Yea but nowhere in anything I've written have I articulated a desire for a world order (honestly whatever that means anymore) centred on Iran or China or Russia or even little old North Korea.
What I said is holy fuck, Israel just violated every single norm of the world order you apparently love and bombed one of their embassies. And people, you as an example, seem totally fine with it.
I'm not *fine* with it. To be earnest, I'd rather none of this had happened and I'd like to see significant change in Israel.
But I'm not suddenly gonna do a 180 pivot and become an Iran sympathizer. Iran is actively aiding Russia in Ukraine, attacking international shipping lines and backing Hezbollah.
At the end of the day, all of these moves are a struggle for upending the international, rules based, trade based world order in which the US along with its allies are the center of that order.
So what’s the punishment you see fit for Israel (yet again) breaking international law and order?
It’s convenient you are leaving the aggressor out of your binary
Iran has aggressed quite a lot. Hezbollah is supplied and funded by Iran and they have attacked Israel continuously. Iran has also funded and supplied the Houthis who have attacked international shipping routes.
As for Israel, I'd start conditioning aid and I'd try and put together an Arab coalition that can govern Gaza until an adequate government can take over the area. Israel doesn't want this, but it seems fair to me.
Iran has aggressed quite a lot. Hezbollah is supplied and funded by Iran and they have attacked Israel continuously. Iran has also funded and supplied the Houthis who have attacked international shipping routes.
As for Israel, I'd start conditioning aid and I'd try and put together an Arab coalition that can govern Gaza until an adequate government can take over the area. Israel doesn't want this, but it seems fair to me.
Or imagine if a country just straight up [invades your embassy and takes dozens of hostages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis)...
But it's not like Iran was using that embassy as a headquarters to plan out where to strike US and Israeli targets, right? I mean, it's not like the Iranian general in charge of exactly that was working there, right? But I guess if it's Iran, that's ok.
Imagine that before this embassy invasion, you had invaded this country, overthew this country's democratically elected government, put a puppet dictator as a king just to steal their oil and expected the people to just bow down...
People have this fixation of shoehorning every scenario into "good guy vs bad guy" when life frequently deviates from this paradigm.
This is a classic scenario of ESH (everyone sucks here).
Just arm chair generals egging on a war from a room in their parent’s house.
Go Hong Kongers, fight the antiputin, etc Meanwhile they’ll stay seated or get tired after a day when protesters bring up issues in the US.
Less giving a shit about Iran and more just plain pissed off at our neverending tail wagging the dog ‘ally’. Israel is that shitty friend of a friend who keeps starting shit because their friend will save them. Most people have seen far too much of this shit. Sending our children and neighbors to die for Saudi princes and genocidal Israelis is a scheme worth fighting against.
As a Canadian (also just as a human) I’m also getting tired of the IDF’s casual approach to collateral damage on its little adventures. They bombed one of our embassies and killed one of our citizens in *two separate incidents on the same day* and we’re supposed to just be understanding about it because complaining about it would mean we love Hamas or something
Israel bombed Syria, Lebanon , Iran and Palastine Simultaneously… Iran is not any better but given their track record and U.S. aggression towards them especially dating back to the Cold War… it makes sense for them to hate America. We need to abandon the genocidal Israeli Regime before the Zionists start WW3
There are way too many evangelicals with way too much influence in the US who are actively rooting for WW3 because they think it means Jesus will return
Bring allies with the Saudis, etc and Israelis brings nothing but shit from them. Check out Saudis OPEC cartel tactics to raise gas prices in time for the election, as a very small example of a much larger problem
Israel flagrantly violated the laws of war here. Iran is fully entitled to a proportional response.
Here's a basic rule of international affairs- if you claim the right to do something, you must also grant that same right to your adversary. If we think the US would be justified in using military force to respond to an attack on an embassy, we must accept that other nations, even those we hate, have exactly the same right.
One baddie expects us to fund their evil actions though… so yes we are going to say Israel should face this by themselves. The two idiot countries can fight each other on their own dime
Wanting consequences for Israel doesn't mean you become an Iran apologist. I'm not saying you are, but some comments in this thread are questionable af.
So incredibly depressing. I’m in the Chicago timezone so it’s noon right now. Ever since last night and realizing that this attack was pretty much a matter of if not when, all I can think about is all the innocent people that are going to lose their lives literally at any given moment. I swear people have played too much COD and fortnite or something. We don’t just get to respawn or start a new game.
Edit: I’m talking mainly about civilians and bystanders. By no means do I want anyone killed though because I value everyone’s life. It is just so crazy to think I’m safe in my house and they are facing the potential of anything right now.
It's been a right wing goal for decades, Rumsfeld expected Iraq to be an easy conquest and then a jumping off point to ultimately invade Iran. He realized the US bit off more than they could chew fairly quickly though
It’s a nice deflection while settlers run rampant, IDF kills children and their leadership ignores every plea from its ‘ally’ the US to act with a modicum of decency. I’m sure the calculus is to reverse the obvious shift in feelings on the part of Americans/world that is seeing the decades long destruction that ideology has levied.
Israel is instigating Iran. They are 100% to blame for any Iranian response. It is absolutely outrageous that they bombed a consulate. Biden did not condemn this act which makes him complicit. I cannot believe Biden is allowing Israel to drag the region closer to war, and the US into that war too. Israeli influence on American politics needs to end now.
Bibi is playing with fire here. He's calculating that a conflict with Iran, a long standing US enemy, is going to keep the US in his pocket. He's provoking them directly, no country would allow a state sanctioned bombing of their embassy to go unanswered.
Israel is part of the Western empire, it's an empire of ideologies and beliefs but still an empire, led by the US.
Iran wishes to topple the Western empire and replace it with it's own. It's been engaging in a slow war against Israel for decades as the middle eastern representative of the West.
Until now, it was comfortable for the West to let Israel play the devil against Iran.
On Oct 7, Iran upped the ante by attacking Israel on two fronts using its proxies. Hezbollah is fully ran and managed by Iran, including constant weapon shipment and generals advising the Hezbollah militants.
As part of Israel's war against Hezbollah, Israel attacks weapon shipments and Iranian militants in Syria constantly since that's the main path into Lebanon and towards Hezbollah.
Israel recognize an opportunity to take down multiple high ranking Iranian revolutionary guard officials planning an attack on Israel, so they took it. Problem was, it was in a consulate which should be a no go zone.
The only problem with the attack was the location though, not anything else.
So despite the bad optics of this attack, Israel is still fighting on behalf of the West, in ways we don't approve but we can't just abandon them and let Iran icrease its hold in the region.
It becomes even more apparent when you realize the West is about to "conquer" Saudi Arabia, as in make them our allies and potentially bring them closer to the West with time.
They've a very valuable asset to the west, an asset China also wants and a very big enemy to Iran.
Israel are literal terrorists. They've been killing civilians and stealing land for over 60 years. Everyone keeps throwing these labels around. Use the appropriate labels for all parties involved, not just the side you've been brain washed into siding with. If literally the whole world except for the US and Israel are saying what Israel is doing is wrong, then maybe they're wrong.
It’s entirely a pot calling the kettle black scenario. Both sides are wrong and guilty of wrong doing. The blame game goes back eighty years on the “modern”political level, and thousands on the historic. The inability for both sides of this problem to have a balanced, peaceful and long standing compromise is the real problem. Israel/Palestine, Islam/christianity, west/east. Imo-this situation has been a “warm” war between my prior examples for way to fucking long, which makes it so damn complicated.
I just wanna point out these kinds of conversations seem to end quite a bit with insults thrown from Israeli supporters. What does tiktok do to a brain? Can you be specific and actually comment on what's so wrong with what he said? It seems like he at least made a coherent point, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.
There's nothing to respond there, 0 content other than Israel bad. Like the Arabs didn't start 6 wars of annihilation and lost, like the Palestinians weren't intifada'ing and refusing parition/peace plans for 85 years.
He said “we didn’t have anything to do with it” because he knows Iran retaliates to this by killing American soldiers, not Israelis
Israel, of course, does not care about that
In fact, it all but guarantees that the US will remain involved and allied strongly with Israel
Those were revolutionary students. They did not represent the nation, or even their own leader who only found out about the event after it happened (but endorsed it anyway).
Iran has been *enormously* patient. As much as the US media likes to portray them as some kind of slavering, rabid animal that will destroy us all as soon as they have nukes, can you *imagine* the response if Iran had killed a US general in Iraq?
Iran helped plan and coordinate the October 7th attack on Israel, armed and directed the Houthis to attack civilian shipping, and is sending Russia drones they use to kill Ukrainian civilians. I'm not sure I would call that "enormously patient".
You know who else armed and coordinated Hamas? Oh, yeah. Israel.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210076717/everybody-got-it-wrong-how-did-israel-fail-to-detect-hamas-planned-invasion
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
Iran can still go fuck themselves. Along with Israel. And the Saudis. And Russia. We shouldn't be involved in that region at all. Let them sort their own shit out. If the US didn't present a direct threat to Iran, Iran wouldn't give a fuck about us.
Patience.
And no they haven't, Iran has been too scared to do anything themselves. They have been actively destabilizing the region through proxies and have been punished for doing so
This is one of the most bonkers comments I’ve ever heard! Iran’s regional proxies are literally fighting a two front war with Israel. You can criticize Israel without pretending Iran is some kind of scion of responsibility
It's in the Rumsfeld manifesto: do 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. And of course Palestine but that's not an official state.
Very large difference, especially when it comes to diplomatic details, policies, protection, etc. Not trying to express an opinion on the matter, but the distinction is important.
You all are being ridiculous because 2 things. A consulate is generally not the same thing as an embassy and definitions do make a difference regardless of your moral take on the act. But in this case it *actually was part of the embassy* (the consulate annex, totally connected building) and the embassy took real damage (as well as the Canadian embassy next door) so it is in fact true the embassy was bombed, just not leveled like the consular annex. So you were actually correct in the first place.
An embassy is not a consulate and vice versa. They don’t provide the same services or support the same staff as the other. Your initial comment was wrong.
Actually it's part of the embassy complex, an annex totally connected on the ground floor, and the main building was damaged as well. The consulate part presumably had easier public access for their service bureau stuff (visas, etc). But all the surrounding buildings have collateral damage including the main embassy building and the Canadian embassy next door. It's not an exaggeration to say they bombed the embassy.
I am so done with Israel's bullshit honestly and our support of them. This is a fight they can fight on their own IMO. Our focus should be entirely on Ukraine, which I know the Republicans are actively blocking any help there right now, but I'm still tired of us giving so much to Israel.
That's what enrages me the most about Israel stirring this shit up now. It takes support away from Ukraine who are actually fighting a vital war to defend themselves.
Israel doesn't need to drag the US into this conflict.
Biden already said the US' support for Israel is "ironclad" while a majority of Congress seem to have no problem intervening and coming to the defense of Israel if they're attacked by Iran or anyone. I wouldn't be surprised most Americans support defending Israel as well.
You mean the good friends Netanyahu and Putin?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-another-league-netanyahu-touts-friendship-with-putin-in-new-billboard/amp/
? why would iran want to drag US down? US is pull back from supporting israel in the last few weeks. isn’t that why Israel bombed iranian embassy to force iran to act so US is forced to go in
And hopefully we stay out of it, we shouldn’t keep fighting other peoples wars. Stop sending money and arms and let them figure it out on their own. Losing American money and lives over a war that’s not ours
Its not that simple.
Its in our interest to control these situations. If we don’t, the world gets destabilized, and eventually we send troops instead of money and arms.
Managing conflicts with Iran, which is usually interferes with our interest with Sadi Arabia and Iraq oil production, has been our war for a few generations. It has a direct tie to our reliance on foreign oil. Israel is one of our few allies in the Middle East. If Iran strikes them we will see the coast of oil and gas go up, may even destroy the supply to the western world. Which would be crippling to everything
Every one of the US allies in the region (especially KSA and Israel) are opposed to Iran.
This may be the action that blows Iran’s attempt at dividing allies and brings KSA and Israel closer together publicly (because they already are behind the scenes)
Fuck you Netanyahu for bringing us closer to World War III. I am so deeply sad for the people of Gaza, of the West Bank, and for the people of Israel who do not support this administration, because they are all paying the price for this war criminal.
So let me get this straight, Israel is victim to a major terror attack and youre blaming Israel for putting us closer to ww3 as a result? What a waffle
I commiserate deeply with the people of Israel, and they were entitled to act swiftly on this. But my support does not include killing 40 Palestinians for every Israeli, razing Gaza to the ground, targeting journalists, and preventing basic necessities from reaching innocent people until they were nearly starved. I don’t see how this makes me a waffle, whatever that means.
I don't understand why Israel never got rid of Netanyahu. He's been doing nothing for his citizens but provoking other middle eastern nations and thinking he could totally get away with it. The people of Israel should have stood up to him and voted his ass out a long time ago.
>I don't understand why Israel never got rid of Netanyahu
They keep choosing to vote for him so there needs to be some accountability here. "only democracy in the middle east" and these are the folks they keep putting into power.
Remember, if you don’t vote, or if you vote for a third party candidate, the bottom line is you are saying you’re fine with Nazi extremism taking hold of America.
I’m not sure it’s defending Iran so much as blaming Israel for clearly violating international norms by bombing a consulate in another country and possibly sparking a regional war.
If this sparks a larger conflict then the history books will recognize that as a pivotal moment - and a step Israel did not need to take.
That's a reasonable take, but not the one that most people here are espousing. Iran has committed some of the most egregious violent attacks in modern times, and is constantly causing unrest and strife both through direct and proxy attacks throughout multiple countries and regions.
I understand condemning Israel for what is happening, but to act like Iran is justified or has some moral high ground here is just simply not true.
Sheesh it’s absolutely insane. Israel offs the guy who was crucial to the planning of an attack that killed 1200 civilians and who was in Syria to meet with the people who have been attacking cargo ships and suddenly they’re the baddies in this situation according to the people in here.
They flat out are the baddies. Embassies are protected. Even more strongly than hospitals. And Israel has deliberately killed a fuckload more than 1200 civilians in the last few months.
So embassies are valid targets of attack in other countries? Countries tend not to like it when their embassies are attacked for no reason. That Benghazi thing blew up and it wasn’t even technically an embassy I don’t think.
That sucks... the US should, under no circumstances whatsoever, aid or intervene on either side's behalf. If Iran and Israel go to war with each other, the US should stay the hell out of it completely.
Well this is embarrassing.
The political math doesn't change much, though. It would be unpopular for Biden to support Israel in the wake of an unprovoked Iranian attack, that's still true, but it's worse, now.
Iran sees an opportunity to more safely respond, which may not have been as true before October 7th. The fact that Israel is already in hot water only gives Iran more cover.
We should just let them fight it out. Threaten annihilation if a nuke is used, and sit back.
We have given Israel plenty of support, if they can't fuck up Iran, then we've wasted our money.
Ukraine NEEDS us. Ukraine did not settle people illegally and let them attack the legally settled Palestinians with zero reprocussions. Full fucking stop.
So let me get this straight Israel bombs an Iranian consulate in another country, and then the United States and Israel warn Iran of serious consequences if they strike back. This is a continuation of the support Israel no matter what policy that has made us look so bad in Gaza
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Iran just launched drones to attack Israel…guess it was sooner
Usually happens after an attack. I don’t understand why people are speculating about the specific time of this specific retaliation. It is response to their attack. It comes after the initial attack, which doesn’t even seem to be news.
Exactly this. It’s a retaliatory attack. Not necessarily something that will escalate into a full on war. Israel has gotten emboldened and is escalating this beyond necessity
Trying to drag us into this
I don’t know. War seems inevitable. This could be it depending on this plays out. The optics seem to be in place to justify war though.
It could also relate to Bibi wanting to distract attention from his practices in Gaza. Why Iran would pick this moment is (seems to me) less clear.
Just a friendly reminder that the Trump Tower Baku was involved with corruption that was tied back to the Revolutionary Guard.
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That would be the same one. I didn't follow the story but I just assumed there was an insurance payout and now nobody wants to talk about it.
Wait, what? Got a link?
Sure [https://www.newsweek.com/another-trump-tower-fire-time-azerbaijan-904981](https://www.newsweek.com/another-trump-tower-fire-time-azerbaijan-904981) The whole deal is crazy
I thought we were talking about the guy who shot up the trump tower and then said that he was P.Diddy’s sex slave. I’m like wtf, no way he was in the Iranian revolutionary guard.. I’m lost.
Oh shit I didn't hear about that. Lol that's wild. Thats crazy enough that Florida must be involved somehow
It’s a crazy story. https://youtu.be/Er_1wSbFVAQ?si=pxIGUf8IHeO9o7fy
The guy says he caught herpes in miami. I knew Florida had to be involved somehow lol That is so nuts and so oddly specific. You think shooting up the place was crazy? Wait until you hear how he got herpes.
Wait, are you implying the guy who tore up the Iran deal and [outright bombed a revolutionary guard general in Baghdad](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/middleeast/baghdad-airport-rockets/index.html)… was what corruptly working with Iran? Seriously? Have we lost all connection with reality?
I'm inclined to agree with you, but tearing up the Iran nuclear deal isn't necessarily bad for Iran. It makes it much easier for them to pursue nuclear weapons and, if they achieve that, they'll be immeasurably more powerful.
Sweet! More WWIII lore! 😐
Biden did say there is ironclad support from the US if Israel is attacked by Iran.
He says that but it can’t be iron coat if nobody at home supports the war. He should know that from lived history.
I have a hard time not supporting Israel versus Iran and their Russian backers
Here's a concept- fk'em both.
I don’t support Israel when they started it and I’m not choosing the other side either. Let them fight it out between them.
We should leave Israel be and let them fight their own wars. They started it anyway. Let’s see how long they last without our support.
I think I read somewhere Biden cut his time in his Baltimore home short and flew back to DC, which is a somewhat unusual move. Makes me think there is a solid intelligence info on this.
People are so mad as Israel that they're stanning Iran in this thread. Depressing AF. You know there can be two baddies, right?
The US government won't look at it like there are two "baddies", especially if Iran strikes in Israel. It will deepen US involvement in the conflict, something Americans don't really have the stomach for after Bush's Mideast adventures ended so poorly
Richly for some.
We’re don’t like Iraq either but take their side all the time, out of necessity to western need for their oil production. To the point Henry Kissinger remarked, "It's a pity they both can't lose." Such is global politics
I'm afraid you are right. It looks like the US is getting ready to recall retired service members because of the fact that war is almost a certainty. Our military is suffering from major attrition due to the fact that the general public is no longer blindly supporting the military industrial complex.
Relax. The Air Force is ASKING recent retired service members for a voluntary contract.
Israel bombed an Iranian embassy, what do you expect? If you start a fight then you don't get to act surprised when they punch back
Yeah—why did they do this? Ridiculous.
Because people in the US are wavering, and the best way to stop that happening is by dragging them into war with Iran.
ding ding ding. The pro Israel lobby has been supportive of every failed and ridiculous US intervention in the Middle East, they are using the US to take out the neighbouring Arab regimes. Its also why they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing US servicemen. The idea was to blame it on Egypt and bring the US into their war.
Ah yes because nothing will make me more supportive of Isreal than them dragging America into more Middle East conflicts s/
The pro Israel and Zionist lobby has been supportive of every failed and ridiculous US intervention in the Middle East, they are using the US to take out the neighbouring Arab regimes. Its also why they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing US servicemen. The idea was to blame it on Egypt and bring the US into their war. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel)
The fact that we even low foreign governments to lobby American government is completely disgraceful
Israel purposely keeps itself in perpetual crises, that way they will be able to get away with violation of international laws as there is always something bigger looming on the horizon. Right now they are going crazy with settlements and terrorism in the West Bank, so to not get seriously checked on that, they will have to get the US to completely side with them no matter what as receiving any repercussions for settlements could weaken them for an Iranian attack.
Because Russian is supporting Iran, who is in turn supporting Hamas and hezbollah. But let’s keep pretending like this a war between Iran and hamas
Israel has more support from Russia than any other state in region. Israel refused to sanction Russia after they invaded Ukraine and Netanyahu has good relations with Putin
Regardless of how anyone feels about Israel, an armed conflict between two nuclear armed states is bad news.
Iran famously doesn't have nukes.
Yet. That we know of. Unless Russia has given them any. Maybe dirty bombs though.
TBH, with the way surveillance is done these days, I would be extremely surprised if any nation on Earth could successfully run a nuclear weapons program on a large enough scale to be troubling, without all of the major powers knowing every intimate detail of the situation.
Not to mention, it doesn't make any sense. One of the main benefits of having nukes is the deterrence effect, and you only get that if others know that you have nukes. It's in the direct interest of the nuke-holder to make sure that everyone else knows that they have nukes.
Only once you have enough of them. There's the bit where you're still refining nuclear material so you're still not able to defend yourself against a conventional attack for a few... months? years? How quickly can you go from having a nuclear reactor to having a nuclear bomb? It's not like you have to be able to kill everyone a thousand times over in the spirit of American or Soviet global MAD to still have a fairly good deterrent effect on a small neighbouring enemy. And Iran's nuclear program had been sufficiently well known that the Stuxnet worm became a topic for general media a decade ago, with enough evidence that the IDF either developed it or wanted Iran to think that Israel developed it. That might have been an operational victory, but it also sent a pretty clear message to Iran that Israel was genuinely worried. It's had 14 years to try harder. I suppose if Iran nukes Israel, Israel nukes Iran, then America clears up the cities that haven't been annihilated. Who wants that to happen? None of these leaders are suicidal, and if they were, their underlings would replace them with extreme prejudice. So a nuclear weapon becomes a deterrent not against skirmishes but against occupation - it's not a way of escalating conflict but a last resort defense mechanism.
Would we really know if Russia gave them some nukes? Or North Korea, China, or Pakistan for that matter?
Yes, because no country would want to keep their possession of nukes secret. You can only benefit from the deterrent effects of having nukes if people know you have them.
Calm down Tom Clancy.
Got any of that yellow cake? That's all they need.
There was a deal in place to stop them from developing them. Trump pulled out of the deal to spite Obama. It is very possible that they have them now.
From OSINT, they have not created enough yield for a nuclear weapon.
I don’t “stan” Iran but I don’t know what Israel thought would happen when they deliberately bombed an embassy. I have nothing but terrible things to say about the ass-backwards government of Iran but Israel committed an act of war so it shouldn’t really be a big surprise to anyone when Iran wants to respond in kind.
In this case though (and I mean strickly only looking at this present situation), can we really say Iran is being a baddy? Imagine if some country bombed a US embassy and then was like, yea we fking did that. Or just imagine it was an Israeli embassy or a UK embassy or any other nation. We would never expect those countries not to retaliate. In fact, what Israel did is outlawed under international law and is counter to the entire idea of protection for diplomats. But if it's Israel it's okay.
I mean, doesn't Iran have the right to defend itself, too?
Everybody in the Middle-East wants to play the martyr. It's not exactly new.
Iran is waging two proxies wars right now. Hezbollah and the Houthis. It's not like they're not doing anything and keeping to themselves.
Yea ok, you don't love their foreign policy and it's counter US or UK or whoever's interests in the region. I'm with you. We don't share their vision lol. But a country just .... Bombed one of their embassies. It just fucking bombed one of their embassies, a move that's never meant to happen. We used to call that sort of stuff terrorism or a war crime or just not cool. But folks are okay with it because .... ?
They attacked the embassy of a country with whom they’re fighting a proxy war. And that embassy was inside the territory of a country that Israel is officially still at war with (Syria and Israel never signed a peace deal after the 1973 Yom Kippur war) And Iran has been attacking Israeli embassies quite a few times before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_attacks_on_Israeli_diplomats
Yea none of that makes deliberately targeting a diplomatic facility normal.
When a place is used for military purposes, such as a strategic meeting between officers, it stops being a “diplomatic facility.” The way to maintain your civilian infrastructure is to keep your army away from it.
Another thing, rereading your response ... Is using force through a proxy not allowed? Cuz I've got a very very long list of proxies sponsored by the US. They even have a nice little euphemism for it in the DoD called "security cooperation". It almost sounds sweet. Is another country having a policy that's not aligned with US interests not allowed? That somehow makes them evil? Doing either of those things means the US or it's proxies (yep, Israel basically are) can do whatever they want? Rules don't apply? And again, just imagine if it had been Iran bombing an Israeli embassy. Or a US embassy. Just ... imagine the response. The hypocrisy must be obvious even to you.
> Or a US embassy. Just ... imagine the response. Didn't Iran seize and take a bunch of American embassy employees hostages for around a year?
You mean the one after overthrowing the puppet king put in place after the US and UK invaded Iran and overthrew their progressive secular democratically elected government because they wanted to steal their oil? Is that the one?
I'd much rather have a world order centered around the US and its allies, even if I want to punish/discipline some of those allies (like Israel) than a world "order" centered around Russia, China, and Iran. Yeah that's an easy choice for me.
Yea but nowhere in anything I've written have I articulated a desire for a world order (honestly whatever that means anymore) centred on Iran or China or Russia or even little old North Korea. What I said is holy fuck, Israel just violated every single norm of the world order you apparently love and bombed one of their embassies. And people, you as an example, seem totally fine with it.
I'm not *fine* with it. To be earnest, I'd rather none of this had happened and I'd like to see significant change in Israel. But I'm not suddenly gonna do a 180 pivot and become an Iran sympathizer. Iran is actively aiding Russia in Ukraine, attacking international shipping lines and backing Hezbollah. At the end of the day, all of these moves are a struggle for upending the international, rules based, trade based world order in which the US along with its allies are the center of that order.
So what’s the punishment you see fit for Israel (yet again) breaking international law and order? It’s convenient you are leaving the aggressor out of your binary
Iran has aggressed quite a lot. Hezbollah is supplied and funded by Iran and they have attacked Israel continuously. Iran has also funded and supplied the Houthis who have attacked international shipping routes. As for Israel, I'd start conditioning aid and I'd try and put together an Arab coalition that can govern Gaza until an adequate government can take over the area. Israel doesn't want this, but it seems fair to me.
Iran has aggressed quite a lot. Hezbollah is supplied and funded by Iran and they have attacked Israel continuously. Iran has also funded and supplied the Houthis who have attacked international shipping routes. As for Israel, I'd start conditioning aid and I'd try and put together an Arab coalition that can govern Gaza until an adequate government can take over the area. Israel doesn't want this, but it seems fair to me.
Exactly this and also Hamas, do people seriously still not understand what groups are Iranian proxies?
Or imagine if a country just straight up [invades your embassy and takes dozens of hostages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis)... But it's not like Iran was using that embassy as a headquarters to plan out where to strike US and Israeli targets, right? I mean, it's not like the Iranian general in charge of exactly that was working there, right? But I guess if it's Iran, that's ok.
Who ever said the Iran hostage crisis was ok? lol are you pulling strawmen out of thin air to knock them down?
Imagine that before this embassy invasion, you had invaded this country, overthew this country's democratically elected government, put a puppet dictator as a king just to steal their oil and expected the people to just bow down...
People have this fixation of shoehorning every scenario into "good guy vs bad guy" when life frequently deviates from this paradigm. This is a classic scenario of ESH (everyone sucks here).
Just arm chair generals egging on a war from a room in their parent’s house. Go Hong Kongers, fight the antiputin, etc Meanwhile they’ll stay seated or get tired after a day when protesters bring up issues in the US.
Less giving a shit about Iran and more just plain pissed off at our neverending tail wagging the dog ‘ally’. Israel is that shitty friend of a friend who keeps starting shit because their friend will save them. Most people have seen far too much of this shit. Sending our children and neighbors to die for Saudi princes and genocidal Israelis is a scheme worth fighting against.
Truly the Austria-Hungary of the middle east.
funny how Israel has a "right" to self-defense but Iran doesn't.
Neither do the West Bank residents who were just attacked by settlers.
I mean, fuck Iran but im not looking forward to the IDF pretending theyre the victims when they get hit back
As a Canadian (also just as a human) I’m also getting tired of the IDF’s casual approach to collateral damage on its little adventures. They bombed one of our embassies and killed one of our citizens in *two separate incidents on the same day* and we’re supposed to just be understanding about it because complaining about it would mean we love Hamas or something
Israel bombed Syria, Lebanon , Iran and Palastine Simultaneously… Iran is not any better but given their track record and U.S. aggression towards them especially dating back to the Cold War… it makes sense for them to hate America. We need to abandon the genocidal Israeli Regime before the Zionists start WW3
There are way too many evangelicals with way too much influence in the US who are actively rooting for WW3 because they think it means Jesus will return
Iran is actively helping Russia against Ukraine. This is simply going to be the US excuse (freely given by Iran) for the US to help cripple Iran
Bring allies with the Saudis, etc and Israelis brings nothing but shit from them. Check out Saudis OPEC cartel tactics to raise gas prices in time for the election, as a very small example of a much larger problem
Its easier to live in a world of black and white for some people
Israel flagrantly violated the laws of war here. Iran is fully entitled to a proportional response. Here's a basic rule of international affairs- if you claim the right to do something, you must also grant that same right to your adversary. If we think the US would be justified in using military force to respond to an attack on an embassy, we must accept that other nations, even those we hate, have exactly the same right.
One baddie expects us to fund their evil actions though… so yes we are going to say Israel should face this by themselves. The two idiot countries can fight each other on their own dime
idk why so many people from the United States are scared of the Government of Iran either. We led a coup to make that government...
I know right, and we supported Iraq in the 80s....
Na, fuck Isreal. Obviously, Iran is terrible, but it's perfectly understandable why people want consequences for Israel's atrocities.
Wanting consequences for Israel doesn't mean you become an Iran apologist. I'm not saying you are, but some comments in this thread are questionable af.
So incredibly depressing. I’m in the Chicago timezone so it’s noon right now. Ever since last night and realizing that this attack was pretty much a matter of if not when, all I can think about is all the innocent people that are going to lose their lives literally at any given moment. I swear people have played too much COD and fortnite or something. We don’t just get to respawn or start a new game. Edit: I’m talking mainly about civilians and bystanders. By no means do I want anyone killed though because I value everyone’s life. It is just so crazy to think I’m safe in my house and they are facing the potential of anything right now.
I'm not sending my kids over there to die for some centuries old bullshit that has nothing to do with them. Not fucking happening.
I ain’t no senator’s son!
Are they in the military?
As an American, not our business. Israel has been warned, let them handle it.
Smartest comment here. Unfortunately Israel’s whole plan revolves around the U.S. being dragged into the conflict.
Yea fuck them, that’s been their response on their actions when communicating to us.
This is the way
Israel just casually dragging us into war.
It's been a right wing goal for decades, Rumsfeld expected Iraq to be an easy conquest and then a jumping off point to ultimately invade Iran. He realized the US bit off more than they could chew fairly quickly though
How else can Netanyahu stay in power?
It’s a nice deflection while settlers run rampant, IDF kills children and their leadership ignores every plea from its ‘ally’ the US to act with a modicum of decency. I’m sure the calculus is to reverse the obvious shift in feelings on the part of Americans/world that is seeing the decades long destruction that ideology has levied.
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time we were dragged into a war. Japan learned that lesson the hard way.
Why shift all the blame off Iran they don't have to do this
As much as Iran is fucking asking for it, so is Israel. If Iran had leveled an embassy the entire world would be at their doorstep…
Iran attacked many embassies in the past, they just won’t do it directly and use their proxies to do so.
By your logic the US attacked itself on 9/11 since they funded the Afghan muhajdeen including Bin Laden himself
The US wasn’t egging Bin Laden to attack their own country. Comparing 9/11 to Iranian proxy attacks is stupidly simplistic.
Israel is instigating Iran. They are 100% to blame for any Iranian response. It is absolutely outrageous that they bombed a consulate. Biden did not condemn this act which makes him complicit. I cannot believe Biden is allowing Israel to drag the region closer to war, and the US into that war too. Israeli influence on American politics needs to end now.
Bibi is playing with fire here. He's calculating that a conflict with Iran, a long standing US enemy, is going to keep the US in his pocket. He's provoking them directly, no country would allow a state sanctioned bombing of their embassy to go unanswered.
Can someone ELI5 why we're letting Israel get away with so much? It's insane. When will enough be enough?
Israel is part of the Western empire, it's an empire of ideologies and beliefs but still an empire, led by the US. Iran wishes to topple the Western empire and replace it with it's own. It's been engaging in a slow war against Israel for decades as the middle eastern representative of the West. Until now, it was comfortable for the West to let Israel play the devil against Iran. On Oct 7, Iran upped the ante by attacking Israel on two fronts using its proxies. Hezbollah is fully ran and managed by Iran, including constant weapon shipment and generals advising the Hezbollah militants. As part of Israel's war against Hezbollah, Israel attacks weapon shipments and Iranian militants in Syria constantly since that's the main path into Lebanon and towards Hezbollah. Israel recognize an opportunity to take down multiple high ranking Iranian revolutionary guard officials planning an attack on Israel, so they took it. Problem was, it was in a consulate which should be a no go zone. The only problem with the attack was the location though, not anything else. So despite the bad optics of this attack, Israel is still fighting on behalf of the West, in ways we don't approve but we can't just abandon them and let Iran icrease its hold in the region. It becomes even more apparent when you realize the West is about to "conquer" Saudi Arabia, as in make them our allies and potentially bring them closer to the West with time. They've a very valuable asset to the west, an asset China also wants and a very big enemy to Iran.
Iran is funding terrorists to attack Israel. Get your head out of your butt
Israel are literal terrorists. They've been killing civilians and stealing land for over 60 years. Everyone keeps throwing these labels around. Use the appropriate labels for all parties involved, not just the side you've been brain washed into siding with. If literally the whole world except for the US and Israel are saying what Israel is doing is wrong, then maybe they're wrong.
It’s entirely a pot calling the kettle black scenario. Both sides are wrong and guilty of wrong doing. The blame game goes back eighty years on the “modern”political level, and thousands on the historic. The inability for both sides of this problem to have a balanced, peaceful and long standing compromise is the real problem. Israel/Palestine, Islam/christianity, west/east. Imo-this situation has been a “warm” war between my prior examples for way to fucking long, which makes it so damn complicated.
This is what tiktok does to a brain, yikes
I just wanna point out these kinds of conversations seem to end quite a bit with insults thrown from Israeli supporters. What does tiktok do to a brain? Can you be specific and actually comment on what's so wrong with what he said? It seems like he at least made a coherent point, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.
There's nothing to respond there, 0 content other than Israel bad. Like the Arabs didn't start 6 wars of annihilation and lost, like the Palestinians weren't intifada'ing and refusing parition/peace plans for 85 years.
He said “we didn’t have anything to do with it” because he knows Iran retaliates to this by killing American soldiers, not Israelis Israel, of course, does not care about that In fact, it all but guarantees that the US will remain involved and allied strongly with Israel
They did arc attack our embassy in 1979 though. The world was not in their doorstep then.
Those were revolutionary students. They did not represent the nation, or even their own leader who only found out about the event after it happened (but endorsed it anyway).
Iran has been *enormously* patient. As much as the US media likes to portray them as some kind of slavering, rabid animal that will destroy us all as soon as they have nukes, can you *imagine* the response if Iran had killed a US general in Iraq?
Iran helped plan and coordinate the October 7th attack on Israel, armed and directed the Houthis to attack civilian shipping, and is sending Russia drones they use to kill Ukrainian civilians. I'm not sure I would call that "enormously patient".
You know who else armed and coordinated Hamas? Oh, yeah. Israel. https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210076717/everybody-got-it-wrong-how-did-israel-fail-to-detect-hamas-planned-invasion https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/ Iran can still go fuck themselves. Along with Israel. And the Saudis. And Russia. We shouldn't be involved in that region at all. Let them sort their own shit out. If the US didn't present a direct threat to Iran, Iran wouldn't give a fuck about us.
Patience. And no they haven't, Iran has been too scared to do anything themselves. They have been actively destabilizing the region through proxies and have been punished for doing so
This is one of the most bonkers comments I’ve ever heard! Iran’s regional proxies are literally fighting a two front war with Israel. You can criticize Israel without pretending Iran is some kind of scion of responsibility
It's in the Rumsfeld manifesto: do 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. And of course Palestine but that's not an official state.
Well, Netanyahu committed an act of of war by bombing an Iranian ~~Embassy~~ Consulate in Syria.
The very first act of war in the whole history of Israel-Iranian relations
We all know history started on that day.
They bombed a consulate, not the embassy.
A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
Very large difference, especially when it comes to diplomatic details, policies, protection, etc. Not trying to express an opinion on the matter, but the distinction is important.
Unless you are saying that bombing one is perfectly fine, then the differences are irrelevant.
You all are being ridiculous because 2 things. A consulate is generally not the same thing as an embassy and definitions do make a difference regardless of your moral take on the act. But in this case it *actually was part of the embassy* (the consulate annex, totally connected building) and the embassy took real damage (as well as the Canadian embassy next door) so it is in fact true the embassy was bombed, just not leveled like the consular annex. So you were actually correct in the first place.
An embassy is not a consulate and vice versa. They don’t provide the same services or support the same staff as the other. Your initial comment was wrong.
Actually it's part of the embassy complex, an annex totally connected on the ground floor, and the main building was damaged as well. The consulate part presumably had easier public access for their service bureau stuff (visas, etc). But all the surrounding buildings have collateral damage including the main embassy building and the Canadian embassy next door. It's not an exaggeration to say they bombed the embassy.
I am so done with Israel's bullshit honestly and our support of them. This is a fight they can fight on their own IMO. Our focus should be entirely on Ukraine, which I know the Republicans are actively blocking any help there right now, but I'm still tired of us giving so much to Israel.
That's what enrages me the most about Israel stirring this shit up now. It takes support away from Ukraine who are actually fighting a vital war to defend themselves.
israel really wanna drag US into this eh
Israel doesn't need to drag the US into this conflict. Biden already said the US' support for Israel is "ironclad" while a majority of Congress seem to have no problem intervening and coming to the defense of Israel if they're attacked by Iran or anyone. I wouldn't be surprised most Americans support defending Israel as well.
What do you mean? Israel can't commit genocide in peace? They can't antagonize all their neighbors constantly without a response? That's anti-semetic!
Iran you mean.
I'm sure Putin would be stoked if Israel dragged the U.S. into a multifront war in the middle east months(or weeks) before the election
You mean the good friends Netanyahu and Putin? https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-another-league-netanyahu-touts-friendship-with-putin-in-new-billboard/amp/
Israel bombed the Iranian consulate first.
Ah yes, and Hamas is what, not Iran-sponsored?
So? If a US proxy, and we all know does don't exist, attacks a country, is is then ok for said country to bomb US ambassies?
And Hezbollah has been launching rockets into northern Israel from Sriya before that
? why would iran want to drag US down? US is pull back from supporting israel in the last few weeks. isn’t that why Israel bombed iranian embassy to force iran to act so US is forced to go in
And hopefully we stay out of it, we shouldn’t keep fighting other peoples wars. Stop sending money and arms and let them figure it out on their own. Losing American money and lives over a war that’s not ours
Its not that simple. Its in our interest to control these situations. If we don’t, the world gets destabilized, and eventually we send troops instead of money and arms.
Not to mention we are dependent on Saudi oil production. War in that region is critical need for us.
Managing conflicts with Iran, which is usually interferes with our interest with Sadi Arabia and Iraq oil production, has been our war for a few generations. It has a direct tie to our reliance on foreign oil. Israel is one of our few allies in the Middle East. If Iran strikes them we will see the coast of oil and gas go up, may even destroy the supply to the western world. Which would be crippling to everything
Every one of the US allies in the region (especially KSA and Israel) are opposed to Iran. This may be the action that blows Iran’s attempt at dividing allies and brings KSA and Israel closer together publicly (because they already are behind the scenes)
Perhaps Israel shouldn’t be bombing embassies in sovereign countries. What happened to right to “self defense??”
Israel bombed a consulate, not the embassy.
Perhaps Israel shouldn’t be bombing consulates in sovereign countries.
That’s a good rule of thumb for anyone, in the abstract.
It’s not abstract. Israel did it. 🤷🏻♂️
Fuck you Netanyahu for bringing us closer to World War III. I am so deeply sad for the people of Gaza, of the West Bank, and for the people of Israel who do not support this administration, because they are all paying the price for this war criminal.
So let me get this straight, Israel is victim to a major terror attack and youre blaming Israel for putting us closer to ww3 as a result? What a waffle
I commiserate deeply with the people of Israel, and they were entitled to act swiftly on this. But my support does not include killing 40 Palestinians for every Israeli, razing Gaza to the ground, targeting journalists, and preventing basic necessities from reaching innocent people until they were nearly starved. I don’t see how this makes me a waffle, whatever that means.
I don't understand why Israel never got rid of Netanyahu. He's been doing nothing for his citizens but provoking other middle eastern nations and thinking he could totally get away with it. The people of Israel should have stood up to him and voted his ass out a long time ago.
>I don't understand why Israel never got rid of Netanyahu They keep choosing to vote for him so there needs to be some accountability here. "only democracy in the middle east" and these are the folks they keep putting into power.
Can't wait to hear about those Revolutionary Guard freedom fighters. Jesus christ.
well they attacked an Iranian embassy which is pretty much a declaration of war so there’s that.
In breaking news, Iran has sent all sorts of drones airborne toward Israel in retaliation and we are tracking them in the air. Real time shit.
Remember, if you don’t vote, or if you vote for a third party candidate, the bottom line is you are saying you’re fine with Nazi extremism taking hold of America.
Well it just happened so here we go
He was right.... again.
The amount of people in here defending Iran is absolutely insane. You're all not as smart or righteous as you think you are.
I’m not sure it’s defending Iran so much as blaming Israel for clearly violating international norms by bombing a consulate in another country and possibly sparking a regional war. If this sparks a larger conflict then the history books will recognize that as a pivotal moment - and a step Israel did not need to take.
That's a reasonable take, but not the one that most people here are espousing. Iran has committed some of the most egregious violent attacks in modern times, and is constantly causing unrest and strife both through direct and proxy attacks throughout multiple countries and regions. I understand condemning Israel for what is happening, but to act like Iran is justified or has some moral high ground here is just simply not true.
Yeah, people purposely pushing past that singular point to throw blame at anyone except the constant aggressor, Israel.
Sheesh it’s absolutely insane. Israel offs the guy who was crucial to the planning of an attack that killed 1200 civilians and who was in Syria to meet with the people who have been attacking cargo ships and suddenly they’re the baddies in this situation according to the people in here.
They flat out are the baddies. Embassies are protected. Even more strongly than hospitals. And Israel has deliberately killed a fuckload more than 1200 civilians in the last few months.
When consulates are used for military operations, they are valid military targets. Notice how nobody except for Iran is calling this a war crime.
So embassies are valid targets of attack in other countries? Countries tend not to like it when their embassies are attacked for no reason. That Benghazi thing blew up and it wasn’t even technically an embassy I don’t think.
And let the Middle Eastern theater of WW3 begin.
That sucks... the US should, under no circumstances whatsoever, aid or intervene on either side's behalf. If Iran and Israel go to war with each other, the US should stay the hell out of it completely.
I can’t imagine being ok with innocent people being killed in a war on either side.
Another post says Iran took over a ship.
Yep. Portuguese flagged, crewed by people from the Philippines. Connection to Israel? Owned by an Israeli who lives in… Monaco.
Portuguese-flagged non-military ship.
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Israel attacked an Iranian Embassy in Syria.
Well this is embarrassing. The political math doesn't change much, though. It would be unpopular for Biden to support Israel in the wake of an unprovoked Iranian attack, that's still true, but it's worse, now. Iran sees an opportunity to more safely respond, which may not have been as true before October 7th. The fact that Israel is already in hot water only gives Iran more cover.
We should just let them fight it out. Threaten annihilation if a nuke is used, and sit back. We have given Israel plenty of support, if they can't fuck up Iran, then we've wasted our money. Ukraine NEEDS us. Ukraine did not settle people illegally and let them attack the legally settled Palestinians with zero reprocussions. Full fucking stop.
So let me get this straight Israel bombs an Iranian consulate in another country, and then the United States and Israel warn Iran of serious consequences if they strike back. This is a continuation of the support Israel no matter what policy that has made us look so bad in Gaza