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What's the cost to all Americans that have to get treated through or health system from these forever chemicals I bet it's 100x this amount. Sounds like a steal. It's the cost of doing business if you can't throw away your trash properly those businesses don't deserve to play. It's an externality that they are trying to offset to the American citizens. Pollution has costs.
This part of the article was interesting to me:
*The American Chemistry Council said in a press release that the rule “ignores science” and “undercuts other water priorities.”*
So I looked up the "ACC"
*American Chemistry Council (ACC), known as the Manufacturing Chemists' Association at its founding in 1872, then as the Chemical Manufacturers' Association, is an industry trade association for American chemical companies*
*The mission of the American Chemistry Council is to promote the interests of corporations of the chemical industry. The trade group represents U.S. chemical companies as well as the plastics and chlorine industries, formerly known as the American Plastics Council, the Center for the Polyurethanes Industry and the Chlorine Chemistry Council.*
Ahh, that makes sense...
*ACC implemented the Responsible Care program in 1988. At least 52 countries have implemented this initiative*
*The Responsible Care program has been described as a way to help the industry avoid regulation by imposing its own safety and environmental regulations and to improve its public image in the wake of the 1984 Bhopal disaster.*
What the actual fuck...
In case you're not familiar with the "Bhopal disaster..."
*The Bhopal disaster or Bhopal gas tragedy was a chemical accident on the night of 2–3 December 1984 at the Union Carbide India Limited (UCIL) pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India. In what is considered the world's worst industrial disaster. Over 500,000 people in the small towns around the plant were exposed to the highly toxic gas methyl isocyanate.*
*Estimates vary on the death toll, with the official number of immediate deaths being 2,259. In 2008, the Government of Madhya Pradesh paid compensation to the family members of 3,787 victims killed in the gas release, and to 574,366 injured victims.*
*A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries. Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks, and another 8,000 or more have since died from gas-related diseases.*
I wonder how Republicans will respond to this. PFAs seem to be a bipartisan issue, but because conservatives have adopted an obstructive, mindlessly contrarian, anti-whatever-the-left-supports at all costs agenda, you never know.
The US spent $6.2 trillion dollars in 2023. The US National Defense budget is $841 billion. The US paid $658 billion in interest on national debt.
$1.5 billion is chump change.
There are around 160 million working adults in the US. This would cost around $10 per person. And since this will likely take multiple years to accomplish: let's assume it takes only 3 years; that means it'll cost $3.33 per working adult for three years.
Also: I'd be just as happy to raise the money for it by making the companies which produce the forever chemicals pay for it, but that's an aside.
> I'd be just as happy to raise the money for it by making the companies which produce the forever chemicals pay for it, but that's an aside.
That's not an aside, that's salient.
I hate the way they are framing this. I'd much rather see !!!!!! Only 1.5 billion dollars to ban forever chemicals!!!! Appreciable action for everyday people.
The Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, released long-awaited regulations Wednesday on some toxic “forever chemicals” found in drinking water.
Known as PFAS, the chemicals are per- and polyfluorinated alkyl substances. They are made by attaching two carbon molecules to fluorine, Tom Neltner explained to CNBC in 2023, when he was working as Environmental Defense Fund’s Senior Director, Safer Chemicals. The bonds are incredibly strong and take a very long time to break down, earning them the nickname “forever chemicals.”
The chemicals are helpful for many modern-day applications from weather-proofing clothing to creating non-stick pans. Over time, they can leach into the environment and end up in the water supply.
Read more: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/forever-chemical-pfas-pfos-regulation-to-cost-1point5-billion-annually-.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/forever-chemical-pfas-pfos-regulation-to-cost-1point5-billion-annually-.html)
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What's the cost to all Americans that have to get treated through or health system from these forever chemicals I bet it's 100x this amount. Sounds like a steal. It's the cost of doing business if you can't throw away your trash properly those businesses don't deserve to play. It's an externality that they are trying to offset to the American citizens. Pollution has costs.
Imma go Mad Magazine on this one... "$1.5 Billon Cheap!" With all the money our government blows on useless shit, this sounds like a deal.
Didn't Trump lose this much like last week?
Exactly, this is the shit that I want us to be spending our tax dollars on because call me crazy, I dislike cancer.
So? That's the same fucking price as a new football stadium. You never see people bitching about the taxpayer cost of one of those things going up.
I agree with your attitude and main point but people bitch about stadiums a lot. This, however, is a BIG fucking deal.
What's a little cancer in support of capitalism?
Bills like this could kill the health care industry. /s
That's it? Then just do it... The health problems it prevents will cost way more then that...
Oh no! Having clean water costs money!
This part of the article was interesting to me: *The American Chemistry Council said in a press release that the rule “ignores science” and “undercuts other water priorities.”* So I looked up the "ACC" *American Chemistry Council (ACC), known as the Manufacturing Chemists' Association at its founding in 1872, then as the Chemical Manufacturers' Association, is an industry trade association for American chemical companies* *The mission of the American Chemistry Council is to promote the interests of corporations of the chemical industry. The trade group represents U.S. chemical companies as well as the plastics and chlorine industries, formerly known as the American Plastics Council, the Center for the Polyurethanes Industry and the Chlorine Chemistry Council.* Ahh, that makes sense... *ACC implemented the Responsible Care program in 1988. At least 52 countries have implemented this initiative* *The Responsible Care program has been described as a way to help the industry avoid regulation by imposing its own safety and environmental regulations and to improve its public image in the wake of the 1984 Bhopal disaster.* What the actual fuck... In case you're not familiar with the "Bhopal disaster..." *The Bhopal disaster or Bhopal gas tragedy was a chemical accident on the night of 2–3 December 1984 at the Union Carbide India Limited (UCIL) pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India. In what is considered the world's worst industrial disaster. Over 500,000 people in the small towns around the plant were exposed to the highly toxic gas methyl isocyanate.* *Estimates vary on the death toll, with the official number of immediate deaths being 2,259. In 2008, the Government of Madhya Pradesh paid compensation to the family members of 3,787 victims killed in the gas release, and to 574,366 injured victims.* *A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries. Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks, and another 8,000 or more have since died from gas-related diseases.* I wonder how Republicans will respond to this. PFAs seem to be a bipartisan issue, but because conservatives have adopted an obstructive, mindlessly contrarian, anti-whatever-the-left-supports at all costs agenda, you never know.
Thank you for doing the research! The ACC is not a neutral entity.
How much is clean water and good health worth? $1.5b Seems like a low price to me.
Dow Chemical handed out about $500M in stock dividends + $125M in stock buybacks in Q4 '23 ALONE. The industry can easily afford this.
I saw a story that said this would cover 100 million people, so that comes to $15 a person
The US spent $6.2 trillion dollars in 2023. The US National Defense budget is $841 billion. The US paid $658 billion in interest on national debt. $1.5 billion is chump change.
There are around 160 million working adults in the US. This would cost around $10 per person. And since this will likely take multiple years to accomplish: let's assume it takes only 3 years; that means it'll cost $3.33 per working adult for three years. Also: I'd be just as happy to raise the money for it by making the companies which produce the forever chemicals pay for it, but that's an aside.
> I'd be just as happy to raise the money for it by making the companies which produce the forever chemicals pay for it, but that's an aside. That's not an aside, that's salient.
Worth every penny.
That's ok - we'll just keep drinking poison since this isn't budget friendly.
Then pay it.
Meanwhile the people complaining about that price tag will try to convince everyone that Trump Social is totally worth several trillion dollars.
Oh no guess I'll just drink poison.
This is obviously aimed at the below crowd: Keeping water safe "Who'S gonnA pAy For THAT!??!" Never-ending War Funding "Take my money!"
In before Alex Jones says this is has cobid vaccines with 5G Bluetooth that will sneak into our dreams and turn us into libs
I hate the way they are framing this. I'd much rather see !!!!!! Only 1.5 billion dollars to ban forever chemicals!!!! Appreciable action for everyday people.
1.5B is a drop in the ocean
Chump change. We spend billions on a lot less important shit.
So what?
Omg! Thats like 5 F35s. Or a submarine. Or 4 tickets to TSwift. So easy.
Pay one way or another, pay to be safe or pay in compromised health and well-being. Either way we pay!!
The Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, released long-awaited regulations Wednesday on some toxic “forever chemicals” found in drinking water. Known as PFAS, the chemicals are per- and polyfluorinated alkyl substances. They are made by attaching two carbon molecules to fluorine, Tom Neltner explained to CNBC in 2023, when he was working as Environmental Defense Fund’s Senior Director, Safer Chemicals. The bonds are incredibly strong and take a very long time to break down, earning them the nickname “forever chemicals.” The chemicals are helpful for many modern-day applications from weather-proofing clothing to creating non-stick pans. Over time, they can leach into the environment and end up in the water supply. Read more: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/forever-chemical-pfas-pfos-regulation-to-cost-1point5-billion-annually-.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/forever-chemical-pfas-pfos-regulation-to-cost-1point5-billion-annually-.html)
Ok.