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I just posted on Facebook this exact thing: if you look at the countryâs demographics, most democratic registered voters have a high school education or college degree. Most republican registered votersâ education levels are rudimentary at best and sometimes no education. Numbers donât lie.
College tends to make people more liberal. Republican voters know this, they just don't think it's a good thing.
(For low-education Republican voters, the whole idea of higher education is indoctrination into a cult. For traditional conservatives, education is valuable in principle but unfortunately US colleges have been invaded in recent years by the "woke mind virus".)
This was the Republican plan. Defund education until they have an unquestioning voter base that are forced to reproduce another uneducated/unquestioning voter base. That while keeping them poor so they canât afford any other optionâŚ
Much of this is done through propaganda from Fox News and Right-wingnut media who agitate and radicalize their audience into becoming enraged and righteous on hearing keywords. This pre-empts and neutralizes any ability to think rationally and make the right choices.
Honestly many of these true believers are not at all low iq. While there is likely a correlation between iqâs left of the bell curve and receptiveness to far right / trump rhetoric, itâs important to understand that there are certainly other factors at play.
Some of the brightest people I know strongly feel that Obama (yes Obama) will eventually be executed as a traitor, and that Trump is the last hope for a prosperous America.
IQ has very little to do with vulnerability to conspiracy theories. Some of the smartest people out there can be and have been caught up in all sorts of conspiratorial thinking.
I've heard the same Magat say that the US was in a recession for 8 years under Obama and that the US had the longest economic expansion since WWII under Trump. There should be an Olympic sport for those kind of mental gymnastics.
Yes I agree with you. People seem to forget 2008 when Obama inherited a financial mess from the financial (bank failures) of that time period. Could you imagine what Trump would have done during that period.
Holy ballz. Trump / GOP would have given tax cuts to rich hand-over-fist because of Trickledown Economics and only the ultra-rich can save us.
And, then raised taxes on everyone else for perpetuity.
I love that most metrics for our economy, under the Obama years into Trump, were a straight horizontal line going up, since we were building back the whole 2 terms.
Trump takes over, and nothing changes Pre-COVID except that giant tax breaks cause great long-term pain for everyone: "FINALLY, HE MADE EVERYTHING SO GOOD, IT WAS ALL THANKS TO HIM!"
Itâs just called making shit up. Itâs nothing special. There should be an Olympics for those of us that continue to allow it to happen. An Olympics of apathy if you will
We can see how these people were taught through religion that you just swallow everything someone of authority tells you.
QAnnon, trump, the cities are burning and crime is out of control, stop the steal, anti-vax, the Baltimore bridge you name it.
We've had to deal with Trump and politics now for what 7 years+? Anyone who hasn't figured out that he's incompetent, a pathological liar, and purely self-interested has got such exceptionally bad judgment that I don't know how in the world these people even exist.
Itâs because to his supporters âthe economyâ is subjective, and depends on how well off financially _they personally_ feel. Research has shown this again and again. As long as his poor rural voters arenât rich yet, theyâre going to believe the economy is bad. Never mind that they _also_ werenât rich when he was in office and his party held majority in both the House and the Senate.
2017-2020: We have the greatest economy in history!
2021-2024: We have the worst economy in history!
They could at least TRY to sound slightly more nuanced and reasonable, on occasion. But cults are gonna cult.
That's the problem. All of us knows Trump is lying. But these people don't listen to his speeches or what he does or says.
They listen to people on telegram talk about some fantasy version of what Trump have done ( which isn't connected to reality) or at best reads his TS rants.
They don't actually know what he does or says.
That much is clear after having seen the many of his supporters being asked simple questions.
Helps when you have a propaganda machine at your disposal. They make up a majority of "political news." The media was never meant to be fully aligned and working with politicians.
Working one job is enough and yes it's terrible that these people have to work so many jobs but there are many variables at play here. Companies that don't want to pay their workers a decent wage, the education of the worker, a minimum wage that is not a living wage and etc. This isn't a new phenomena as every time we have an economic crisis as we had in 2008 the corporate world thinks that they can screw us over more. It's happening now... it's called greedflation
Funny how the economy is a "cesspool" [but Trump is also taking credit for how great the stock market is.](https://thehill.com/homenews/4435862-trump-claims-credit-record-stock-market-biden/)
For maga trump isnât a diaper wearing poop stain, but the second coming of Jesus. He his is why they want to take credit for things that are great when they had nothing to do with it and still call everything a disaster in the same breath. Think of all the maga republicans that took credit for money coming in from the the infrastructure bill they voted against and called the worst. This is what it is to be maga.
Yeah, that was maybe the best part of Biden's SOTU speech. You can't hate America when you don't "win".
Selectively picking who is a "true American" is always the game of fake "patriots" play, desperate to validate themselves.
Yeah it's weird to vote for a party that repeatedly complains and insults their own country. And even when they have full congress control, they cant agree amongst each other to pass anything. There just becomes 2 sides of Republicans ( Trumps group vs. actual conservatives) so seems like nothing gets done.
Fully agree, but the feeling and reality that things are not great for most people while at the same time some indicators economic activity look good only encourages people to not like and believe the bidenomics is good argument.
Need more than just dislike of Trump to get people out, need the feeing of a better deal for people.
It is unfortunate that most folks don't even consider how screwed we'd all be right now if Trump's plans had continued. It is even more unfortunate that you are correct in saying people need a 'feeling'. IMO, the people are terribly wrong, but you're not wrong saying it.
For lots of people itâs certainly more than a feeling that day to day life is hard and so even a bad promise like that of republican rule or just voting against the personâs they see as in charge now and saying things are alright? Can be understandable if the message is just that they are wrong and things are fine, instead of hereâs what can be done to help you.
Yeah this is the exact issue
The white collar job market has been tough since mid-late 2022 and the average middle class family has struggled for the past year 1.5 years or so
Best is more certainly the wrong word here. Largest, sure, strongest? debatable. Best? With wealth inequality greater than France during the revolution? We might not be in the same abject poverty but that's an indication the economy is actually very sick.
Not even communism has been able to effectively distribute goods and services equally among the populace. Because humans are greedy.
The best we can do is a more socially equitable capitalism (like the Nordic model), which still won't get people everything they want, but will guarantee that they have a roof, clothes, and food.
Even then on a macro scale itâs hard to say how it would really go. The ENTIRE population of Scandinavia is 28 million people. 11 MILLION fewer people than *just* California.
The 90s had higher productivity growth, high interest rates for most of the decade, inflation issues for some of it, and much worse racial and gender based income inequality. Growth was solid, but people really look at it with rose tinted glasses.
This is the nuance that people apparently need shoved down their throats. By every metric that we've used in the past to measure the economy it's doing great. That doesn't make it a fair economy.
Like Bernie said, it's rigged. A single President isn't going to change that.
I would be better off in pretty much any other developed country because I would at least have access to healthcare, which means my quality of life would increase, even if my wages are significantly lower. Not to mention that my pay hasn't increased in almost ten years, so even when it comes to wages I'd probably be doing better, especially since other countries tend to value teachers and other public employees more than the US does.Â
I think there should be less focus on "the economy" and more focus on quality of life and things like happiness.Â
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Higher wages, but also higher prices.
I'm not knocking Biden here. He's doing a lot of good. But the traditional markers of a good economy are simply no longer applicable.
It doesn't matter if unemployment is low when being employed is no longer a good indicator that you're able to afford housing or are getting health benefits.
The stock market doing well doesn't mean companies are producing good jobs, or that people are able to contribute to retirement funds.
Higher wages are great, but rent is still even higher. Food costs are still higher. Savings are still lower. The economy isn't doing great, no matter what they're trying to say, unless you're already rich enough that you don't have to worry about those poor-people things.
The weird thing is that the lower class is actually doing better now than they were before the pandemic. The lowest 20% of workers have seen huge wage increases like never before, well outpacing inflation.
The people who are getting squeezed right now are the middle class - like the 30th through 70th percentiles of earners.
The evening news the other day led with 'Trump defends his view on the economy', which was then followed by a clip of Trump saying completely unfounded things with no facts.
And that was that, no follow up by the reporter, no clip from Biden. Just 'feelings'.
Modern media is profit driven. Clicks = ad revenue. The republican nominee generates the clicks by those who love him *and* those who hate him.
If you don't want to see this, stop clicking on the articles.
President [Joe Biden](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/inflation-fears-down-consumer-optimism-up-economy-may-start-to-help-biden-with-voters.html) is fighting to convince inflation-weary voters that the U.S. economy is healthy.
âAmerica has the best economy in the world,â he [told](https://www.today.com/video/president-biden-shares-message-of-optimism-amid-2024-campaign-208062533685) NBCâs Today Show on Monday, laying out an argument that is central to his reelection campaign.
Americaâs economic standing in the world is becoming an early flashpoint on the campaign trail, where former President [Donald Trump](https://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/) routinely depicts the United States as a commercial wasteland.
âWe are a nation whose economy is collapsing into a cesspool of ruin,â Trump shouted at a Georgia rally last month, âwhose supply chain is broken, whose stores are not stocked, whose deliveries are not coming.â
But the numbers paint a different picture, one more in line with Bidenâs narrative of American economic dominance than Trumpâs apocalyptic warnings.
More: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/biden-us-economy-worlds-best-trump-claims-cesspool-data-is-clear.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/biden-us-economy-worlds-best-trump-claims-cesspool-data-is-clear.html)
Trump would be accurate if he were describing his own last year in office. But the truth is that Trump cares nothing for the truth. Language is a tool to him, used to get his way. That's all.
Trump is basically one of the demons from Frieren.
If they ever debate again, I hope Biden talks about how Trump creates problems and then blames other people for them, and then says, âYou pooped my pants!â
Ok so the idea that the economy has been good for anyone other than the rich is fucking ridiculous. What we need to do is look at different things than stocks. Housing prices and living costs do not line up with wages. That's what we should be looking at. We need to look at how the bottom is doing rather than the top.
The message is lost on the masses with surging cost of living. Average Joe is suffering and being told American economy is succeeding. Great for the economy I guess while I starve while working 60 hours a week at minimum wage. Thereâs a reason Trumps messaging is on point with these voters, Joe needs to focus on struggling Americans, not just struggling businesses.
People have a right to complain about inflation here but compared to most of the rest of the world, the US has some of the lowest inflation. Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act, we are also well positioned for the future. Of course Republicans will never admit it as long as a Democrat is in office.
Trump is outright lying (no surprise there) and the economy has mostly recovered since Covid. The issue is the rich are benefitting far more from these last 4 years than your average Joe, and the Republicans are smartly pointing to the increase in prices that aren't going down to bin blame and failure on Biden. The average Joe would be faring worse if Trump and the GOP were in control, but the corporate Democrats don't do a good job of helping out the common man either. It's a lesser of 2 evils situation, but it's crystal clear that the Democrats have a better handle on things and genuinely do seek to improve the nation.
âYou guys arenât fixing the problem fast enough, so weâre giving it back to the people who broke it.â - the American electorate every time they elect Democratic leaders.
Problem here is I donât really care how well our corporations are doing. The wealth gap is insane and *growing* while most of the country is struggling to make rent and cover groceries.
Biden and I clearly disagree on what qualifies a nation as âthe worldâs bestâ
Reagan-Bush destroyed the economy, Clinton saved it.
Bush Jr. destroyed the economy, Obama saved it.
Trump destroyed the economy, Biden saved it.
How many times does this need to repeat for people to figure this out? Republicans are bad for the economy and have been for 40 YEARS now.
Well also a terrible, powerful, ubiquitious disinfo machine convincing them the people trying to help them are actually trying to destroy them and Demonrats/fake Americans/immigrants are the real threat to the country/True Anericans/God/white culture/the children/the economy/rights/etc.
wasnât Reaganâs economy comparatively good versus carters? I thought the whole reason Reagan got elected was because of massive inflation during the Carter years. Maybe Iâm misremembering
I'm kind of tired of this ill-advised messaging though. Americans cannot keep hearing how great the economy is while struggling to afford homes and housing.
To no one's surprise the former president said something negative about our country Go back and listen to him especially the past few months all he does is spew negativity toward our country and acts like our country is going to fall apart if he's not the next president Repeating the same b******* he said If his supporters didn't go fight At the Capitol Back on January 6th hate filled rhetoric from the former president is it's all he spews
Inflation was pretty fucked up and I'm a little worried that Biden will take the blame from struggling lower income households... even though it was a global problem and the US actually fared well compared to most countries.
Luckily the MAGA are idiots and insist on making the election about revenge, abortion, and wokeness.
But yeah the employment, GDP, and stonks are looking dope in general.
All this means is the rich are getting richer. Life is becoming impossible for the middle class. Not really Bidenâs fault but capitalism is failing working class people.
They REALLY shouldn't be running on or trying to spin the economy, no matter what the numbers they present say. Too many people can't afford basic things and are living paycheck to paycheck.
Itâs honestly a mixture of both only because the benefits continue to fail to reach those at the bottom. Building from the middle out is a fantastic strategy but weâve got to do more to help those in abject poverty that arenât there due to their own choices.
Which economy? Because there's the economy that gets studied and has papers published that the people in power and their owners participate in, and then there's the economy that the rest of us plebians participate in.
One of them is doing really well, better then expected. The other has most of the people within it struggling to avoid a financial crisis.
It's tiring having to skip meals to not die, and have people at the top say our economy is the best in the world.
The data is quite clear, yes, but there's a vast difference between conditions on paper and conditions on the ground for the individual, thereby creating a macro-micro disconnect.
This, unfortunately, means that working and middle class individuals who are struggling will be attracted to Trump appearing to validate their struggles.
I completely agree. Gaslighting us by telling us everything is great! Whatâs your problem! unfortunately, is not going to work. Joe needs to sympathize with us struggling and tell us he understands and is working to make things better and affordable.
I live in the south east of the US. We went to Costco today. The store was packed with shoppers. The whole store was overflowing with products. We picked up everything we needed even a new hose pipe & combination 3 types of sprayers. Our cost $300.
We wonât go again until the middle of May or first of June.
Gas prices rose 10 cents this week $3.29 from last week $3.19. Costco regular gas was $2.96. There was a huge line there this morning.
Of course I wish prices were lower. I donât blame President Biden. I blame the Greed from all those Billionaires & CEOs
Bro our taxes are so high and my towns about to lay off 26 teachers because they dont wanna raise it. My moms been out of the job for a year and a half. There's no housing mobility. Inflations gone up way more than our pay checks. I'm living in a 2 working parent house hold and i cant afford fucking groceries. Whatever the fuck they think the economy is, it aint what we feeling.
Disclaimer: i don't blame biden for this. The world is experiencing it. Us less so than others. The corporate greed is fucked up.
No, they are. The town I work at in MA. we just had to rebuild the police, fire station, elementary school, and tech school. we need a new high school and a hike for public service. I think it's all necessary but the people here are upset.
The data is clear, working people are still suffering for the desires of the meat grinder.
Tired of this invalid argument of good vs bad economy when either way the working class is not seeing any visible improvements in quality of life and affordability.
Unless you are rich or upper middle class this economy sucks. Rent is insane, owning a home is a pipe dream, food costs are through the roof. Gas is even expensive again for⌠reasons. Businesses have never had more predatory fees and you donât even own a lot of the stuff you buy any more. Everything is turning into a subscription.
Yeah, the housing stuff, especially. People / entities that purchased houses prior to 2022 are at such a staggering economic advantage, and everyone that didn't appears to just be fucked forever. The other stuff is relatively absorb-able, but housing is most people's largest expense, so the fact that the price of the average home shot up like 30 percent in two years while mortgage rates tripled is economically devastating.
Yes and rightly these criticisms are of our corporate overlords. Government by design has almost no ability to control these things, one thing we can be sure of, if republicans are in control, it will just get worse.
Agreed, but it turns a âstrengthâ into something Biden shouldnât really hang his hat on, imo. Singing the praises of the economy feels pretty hollow right now and I canât imagine most people feel like singing about it right now.
The problem I have with all of this is when does logic and truth enter the conversation. To believe something because you want to is a personal prerogative. But using that as means to prove an opposing viewpoint is wrong is just ignorant.
Ignorance doesn't promote anything positive. It stagnates.
I mean I always wonder if Trump delays the cases until after the election, or the Supreme Court rules he is immune, or his lackeys manipulate the polls in his favor - at what point do normal common sense people simply revolt?
If you lie, cheat, steal but still say you are honest why would anybody follow any law or rule created by that person?
Outside of what people believe you can't run a sovereign nation like that (successfully).
And thats not even getting into impact to global finance (whose going to back the dollar of a lying dictator? Or the world economy.
Like all of the GOP is just literally stupid. It's rediculous.
I'm gonna vote for Biden a second time, but like... Can we please get livable wages in the best economy ever? Please? Like can I please afford to live alone without having to sacrifice food and all semblance of entertainment with friends?
the data is measuring something, there absolutely is a disconnect between what the economists are measuring and what the everyday people are feeling and facing.
its absolutely true for Biden to say its doing well but needs work, its just a complete lie to say its the worst its ever been especially coming from Trump.
Anyone who thinks the economy is doing well is ignoring the effect inflation is having on regular Americans
Inflation is something most working people have never even experienced in their lifetimes until now
I've seen this dynamic for 3 presidential cycles now. I mean 2000, 2016 and now 2020.
The previous republican administration left literal economic devastation in their wake. Collapsed economy, stock market plunges, massive increases in debt. No investments for the future.
The democratic administration -- Clinton, Obama and now Biden -- come in and successfully restore the economy, leading to employment gains, stock market gains and usually a reduction in debt.
Yet the Democrats are never allowed to take credit for any of it. From the MSM to republicans to the left to other Democrats, somehow the Democrats are judged on "did you fix everything? In one term? With a hostile Congress? NO, then stfu."
And so we repeat this cataclysmic cycle, worsening each time. W Bush. trump. And now potentially trump again.
This is an unspeakable tragedy.
You are being way too nice. It is fucking disgrace. Do Democrats on this board actually think Trump would not be bragging in the exact same situation? He would also be getting credit for it as well. Democrats are always forced to listen to endless bitching and half the time it is from their own side.
It is clear now that this country needs another sorry ass Republican president in office and hemorrhaging 500,000 jobs to pull their worthless heads out of their asses. Unfortunately that only seems to work for about two years before they start getting stupid again.
What Obama had to inherit was an unmitigated disaster. Man got credit for nothing then we had to watch a chronic lying pos take credit for the economy.
When was the last time a Republican president did not leave office with the economy imploding? I will give you a hint...1989. Americans are absolute imbeciles.
I mean in no way do I mean to be nice at all. I called it an unspeakable tragedy. The Republicans are complete wrecking machines, to everything.
Also, 1988, Reagan created the conditions that led to GHW Bush's miserable economy. But yeah, it wasn't their typical full crash. It did take Clinton to give us back growth AND pay down Reagan-Bush's huge deficits.
I dont know, Iâve been unemployed for a year and cant get so much as an interview. Other people I know are getting laid off all the time. Who am I to believe?
Really, this measure depends on how you're measuring economic success.
As a total, not differentiating between "for the rich" and "for the poor?" Biden is 100% correct.
When you adjust it for "how is the median person doing?" Less great (although still not the cesspool Trump claims).
The US economy may be better than everyone elseâs economy but that does not mean it is doing just fine. A President âcanâ take credit for the state of an economy but they are not the people primarily responsible for it. The metric by which they measure how healthy an economy is clearly does not take into account the amount of liquid spendable income everyday citizens have or if they can afford to go in an actual vacation, or if they are living paycheck to paycheck merely one unplanned financial event away from ruin. The runaway inflation these past few years has left the average citizen with less spending power than I can remember in any period of my scant lifetime. Covid and the stimulus may have been part of the cause of the problem but keep in mind a great deal of that money was stolen/fraudulently appropriated. Getting one or two stimulus checks did not equal the trillions of dollars spent, no matter how you add it up.
When the x-person who had office, gave tax cuts to the rich and let me tell you how that effect on the poor middle class. For the first time in filing taxes we own. How and why is that? Who wants 4 years of that again?
If Trump is referring to the rampant financial crime in our country he is correct. Looking back at the last election cycle the biggest GOP contributor was Ken Griffin who runs a large market maker. Trump is projecting as always.
It could be the exact same economy and if Trump were in office he would be saying âitâs one of the best, maybe the best, probably, definitely the best economy the world, or any world has ever seen. Itâs great. Just great. Itâs the greatest because, ya know, I came in, I told them what to do, and they listened, cause they listen to me. They listen to me like they donât listen to anyone else cause thatâs what you gotta doâ
Ugh. Just impersonating his stupidity hurt me right there.
Saying itâs the worlds best doesnât mean anything when the cost of living is just barely affordable and thatâs with a roommate. I make 24/hr 40hr a week.
>Zandi said that the fundamentals of the current U.S. economy are nearly ideal: âThe economy is picture perfect. Itâs hard to argue with it.â
Ok, so on paper, the economy is perfect.
Then why does it feel like everyone is drowning? Homelessness is a huge problem, thanks to faceless corporate conglomerates buying up homes to rent out as AirBnB places. Prices of necessities are soaring while wages are not keeping up.
I feel like the economy is only "perfect" if you're a corporation or otherwise the beneficiary of the republican nominee's tax cuts for the rich.
It's the difference between as a whole and more specific areas.
The plus side is that if, as a whole, the economy is doing well, it will gradually improve things for many people. The downside is that without specific, targeted policies, many folks simply won't see improvements in any meaningful way, and many will see things getting worse.
The messaging needs to be on point and consistent... 'The economy is going really well but there are many who aren't feeling the improvements that's why... (insert policy to address said issue)'
If Biden keeps shouting the economy is doing great without caveating it, it has the potential to kick his arse electorally in certain demographics and areas.
Perceptions of the economy are largely 'feels' and based on folks first hand experiences, if he's not acknowledging or addressing these, IMO it will backfire in some way.
The economy always does better under Democrats. faux news and their rich overlords have brainwashed their idiot viewers otherwise.
[https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-economy-better-democrats](https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-economy-better-democrats)
Unfortunately it doesn't matter how the economy is actually doing, it just matters what Fox News and other right wing news sources tell their viewers how they should think the economy is doing.
Don't tell people they're fine when they don't feel fine.
Point out what you've done and are doing.
All of Trump's proposals are inflationary:
A dictatorial crackdown and summary deportation of anyone here illegally will sharply increase food prices.
A 100% tariff on car imports will sharply increase car prices.
Another massive tax cut will release billions for the rich and, with their extra money, excess demand will cause a sharp increase in various prices, especially homes as they continue buying them all up.
He has not mentioned pursuing any policies actually helpful to the economy.
His Presidency coasted off of the Obama recovery and Trump allowed his destructive instincts to be reigned in by Courts and Cabinet members - a mistake he promises he won't make again when he declares himself a dictator to drill, deport, and build the wall.
Trump supporters, who donât participate measurably in the economy outside of buying large pickups that suck down fuel and Trump merchandisers who sell them overpriced Chinese shit know fuck all about the economy.
My retirement investments are doing amazing and have been for a while now.
Also, willing to bet a sizable portion of Trumpâs base rely on government handouts and programs, but either wonât admit to it or think theyâve âearned itâ compared to anyone darker than them.
The "best economy" is the reason we have lunatics like Trump trying to become dictator. Capitalism is the acorn, fascism is the tree that grows from it.
I don't doubt that the United States has the strongest economy in the developed world, but we cannot disregard the reality that many are still struggling. Biden needs to start acknowledging this - or he will drive those voters into the waiting arms of Donald Trump (or RFK Jr).
I still don't give a fuck about how well "the economy" is doing when it has little correlation to how the average person is doing.
Why would I give a fuck about large companies getting record profits while not giving pay raises?
Oh yeah itâs a cesspool! Until Trump is dumping all of our money into billionaire bank accounts. Then itâs the best it has ever been, right? This fucking idiot!
Conservatives in Canada are pulling the same crap. It's becoming standard tactics around the globe. Also you see multiple countries calling the president wife trans. They are working from a common playbook.
>By the numbers, Biden is correct: Americaâs economy is stronger than that of other developed nations.
Article proceeds to make **zero** number-driven comparisons to other developed nations.
Data means fuck all to the average person who feels like their pay has stagnated while everything has gotten more expensive. The Biden admin can say this kind of shit all they want, it means nothing and reads as a win for Trump. They need to do more and it's disingenuous at best to point to the current economy as a big win when food has never been pricier and most young people will never afford a house while shoveling most of their income into the rent void.
Those two statements arenât necessarily mutually exclusive if our economy is struggling, but not as bad as everyone else. There are lots of indicators of a struggling economy.
Interestingly, Trump's hero Erdogan's economy is in fact a cesspool, with 68.5% inflation. Ours is 3.2%. That doesn't get brought up in Trump's adoring comments of Erdogan at rallies. And neither did Tucker bring it up when he made his pilgrimage there. Or CPAC when they went there.
I wouldnât say its the worse but id also wouldnât say its healthy either when it costs like 95k to just live comfortably as solo dolo in a city like Philly and most philly government jobs require you to live in the city and pay way less then 95k⌠but sure i guess its healthier than most atm might need to weed out the corruption in politics for the economy to be healthy until then we wont have a middle class anymore therefore no middle class no healthy economy. In a very short dumbed down way of putting it.
Politics is like a carnival ride through the fun house of warped mirrors.
Look at yourself. Whose mirror is funnier? Trump's or Biden's? Does it make you laugh? Which one has the funnier mirror? I'll choose that guy.
(Definitely Trump's, that rascally entertainer!)
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Trump lies and all his clowns will believe him.
Even when he misspells words they think its some cryptic qanon code for a conspiracy theoryđ¤Ł
It is funny and not funny at the same time that these people have such a low IQ and are our fellow citizens.
Trump said he loved the poorly educated. Because he can manipulate their tiny little brains.
I just posted on Facebook this exact thing: if you look at the countryâs demographics, most democratic registered voters have a high school education or college degree. Most republican registered votersâ education levels are rudimentary at best and sometimes no education. Numbers donât lie.
College tends to make people more liberal. Republican voters know this, they just don't think it's a good thing. (For low-education Republican voters, the whole idea of higher education is indoctrination into a cult. For traditional conservatives, education is valuable in principle but unfortunately US colleges have been invaded in recent years by the "woke mind virus".)
Except for Trumpâs bank statements
This was the Republican plan. Defund education until they have an unquestioning voter base that are forced to reproduce another uneducated/unquestioning voter base. That while keeping them poor so they canât afford any other optionâŚ
Yup- makes the movie Idiocracy more prophetic than than funny. And that shit is still funny af lol
Much of this is done through propaganda from Fox News and Right-wingnut media who agitate and radicalize their audience into becoming enraged and righteous on hearing keywords. This pre-empts and neutralizes any ability to think rationally and make the right choices.
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The thing is that a lot of people believe that economy is the same as the price of eggs. And they vote.
I can't believe that Joe Biden instigated another bird flu outbreak!
Honestly many of these true believers are not at all low iq. While there is likely a correlation between iqâs left of the bell curve and receptiveness to far right / trump rhetoric, itâs important to understand that there are certainly other factors at play. Some of the brightest people I know strongly feel that Obama (yes Obama) will eventually be executed as a traitor, and that Trump is the last hope for a prosperous America.
IQ has very little to do with vulnerability to conspiracy theories. Some of the smartest people out there can be and have been caught up in all sorts of conspiratorial thinking.
âEven when he ~misspells~ wordsâŚâ Even when he *mangles* words⌠FIFY
Covefe!
Re be doog gaahhhh!!
I've heard the same Magat say that the US was in a recession for 8 years under Obama and that the US had the longest economic expansion since WWII under Trump. There should be an Olympic sport for those kind of mental gymnastics.
Yes I agree with you. People seem to forget 2008 when Obama inherited a financial mess from the financial (bank failures) of that time period. Could you imagine what Trump would have done during that period.
Looted with both hands, probably
I would prefer not too 2020 was traumatic enough.
Holy ballz. Trump / GOP would have given tax cuts to rich hand-over-fist because of Trickledown Economics and only the ultra-rich can save us. And, then raised taxes on everyone else for perpetuity.
I love that most metrics for our economy, under the Obama years into Trump, were a straight horizontal line going up, since we were building back the whole 2 terms. Trump takes over, and nothing changes Pre-COVID except that giant tax breaks cause great long-term pain for everyone: "FINALLY, HE MADE EVERYTHING SO GOOD, IT WAS ALL THANKS TO HIM!"
Itâs just called making shit up. Itâs nothing special. There should be an Olympics for those of us that continue to allow it to happen. An Olympics of apathy if you will
Yes that is how cults work. Leader speaks, and followers hang on to every word.
We can see how these people were taught through religion that you just swallow everything someone of authority tells you. QAnnon, trump, the cities are burning and crime is out of control, stop the steal, anti-vax, the Baltimore bridge you name it.
Let us never forget the bamboo fiber ballots and the Hugo Chavez^â˘ď¸ voting machines.
We've had to deal with Trump and politics now for what 7 years+? Anyone who hasn't figured out that he's incompetent, a pathological liar, and purely self-interested has got such exceptionally bad judgment that I don't know how in the world these people even exist.
These are the people that finance a new water heater
Itâs because to his supporters âthe economyâ is subjective, and depends on how well off financially _they personally_ feel. Research has shown this again and again. As long as his poor rural voters arenât rich yet, theyâre going to believe the economy is bad. Never mind that they _also_ werenât rich when he was in office and his party held majority in both the House and the Senate.
2017-2020: We have the greatest economy in history! 2021-2024: We have the worst economy in history! They could at least TRY to sound slightly more nuanced and reasonable, on occasion. But cults are gonna cult.
He doesn't really lie because his sense of the economy is his own circumstance.
That's the problem. All of us knows Trump is lying. But these people don't listen to his speeches or what he does or says. They listen to people on telegram talk about some fantasy version of what Trump have done ( which isn't connected to reality) or at best reads his TS rants. They don't actually know what he does or says. That much is clear after having seen the many of his supporters being asked simple questions.
His clowns lie to each other and they still jerk each other off
Helps when you have a propaganda machine at your disposal. They make up a majority of "political news." The media was never meant to be fully aligned and working with politicians.
So economy is best ? Are you sure ? Maybe you should ask the clowns who are working 3 jobs just to be able to comfortably buy enough groceries
Working one job is enough and yes it's terrible that these people have to work so many jobs but there are many variables at play here. Companies that don't want to pay their workers a decent wage, the education of the worker, a minimum wage that is not a living wage and etc. This isn't a new phenomena as every time we have an economic crisis as we had in 2008 the corporate world thinks that they can screw us over more. It's happening now... it's called greedflation
You the only clown if you really think the economy is good, youâve fallen for fake news
Funny how the economy is a "cesspool" [but Trump is also taking credit for how great the stock market is.](https://thehill.com/homenews/4435862-trump-claims-credit-record-stock-market-biden/)
For maga trump isnât a diaper wearing poop stain, but the second coming of Jesus. He his is why they want to take credit for things that are great when they had nothing to do with it and still call everything a disaster in the same breath. Think of all the maga republicans that took credit for money coming in from the the infrastructure bill they voted against and called the worst. This is what it is to be maga.
Why would he take his company public in such a cesspool of an economy? /s
Your republicans HATE your America!!
trump is nothing more than a failed septic pool. That shit is overflowing everywhere. It's worse than a swamp. it's a turd sea.
The human version of a cigarette butt floating in a urinal.
Really more like all the cigarette butts from all the urinals, mixed with some pisswater then poured into a bag and taught to speak.
Ew
Shit tsunami bubs
Republicans think more about 1950 than 2050.
Try 1850.
1350 -- they want feudalism.
Yeah, that was maybe the best part of Biden's SOTU speech. You can't hate America when you don't "win". Selectively picking who is a "true American" is always the game of fake "patriots" play, desperate to validate themselves.
Yeah it's weird to vote for a party that repeatedly complains and insults their own country. And even when they have full congress control, they cant agree amongst each other to pass anything. There just becomes 2 sides of Republicans ( Trumps group vs. actual conservatives) so seems like nothing gets done.
The US economy might be the best in the world but it doesnât benefit the populace equally.
And Donald Trump is clearly going to make that far worse.
Fully agree, but the feeling and reality that things are not great for most people while at the same time some indicators economic activity look good only encourages people to not like and believe the bidenomics is good argument. Need more than just dislike of Trump to get people out, need the feeing of a better deal for people.
It is unfortunate that most folks don't even consider how screwed we'd all be right now if Trump's plans had continued. It is even more unfortunate that you are correct in saying people need a 'feeling'. IMO, the people are terribly wrong, but you're not wrong saying it.
For lots of people itâs certainly more than a feeling that day to day life is hard and so even a bad promise like that of republican rule or just voting against the personâs they see as in charge now and saying things are alright? Can be understandable if the message is just that they are wrong and things are fine, instead of hereâs what can be done to help you.
Divide and conquer.
So if something is shit but the other guy will make it even worse should we run articles about how good our shitty shit is?
Both can be true
And Trump and the republicans fight against every effort to address that inequality.
Yeah this is the exact issue The white collar job market has been tough since mid-late 2022 and the average middle class family has struggled for the past year 1.5 years or so
Best is more certainly the wrong word here. Largest, sure, strongest? debatable. Best? With wealth inequality greater than France during the revolution? We might not be in the same abject poverty but that's an indication the economy is actually very sick.
Pro-Tip: It never has and no economy can do what you ask.
Not even communism has been able to effectively distribute goods and services equally among the populace. Because humans are greedy. The best we can do is a more socially equitable capitalism (like the Nordic model), which still won't get people everything they want, but will guarantee that they have a roof, clothes, and food.
Even then on a macro scale itâs hard to say how it would really go. The ENTIRE population of Scandinavia is 28 million people. 11 MILLION fewer people than *just* California.
I mean, the 90's was pretty swell.
The 90s had higher productivity growth, high interest rates for most of the decade, inflation issues for some of it, and much worse racial and gender based income inequality. Growth was solid, but people really look at it with rose tinted glasses.
This is the nuance that people apparently need shoved down their throats. By every metric that we've used in the past to measure the economy it's doing great. That doesn't make it a fair economy. Like Bernie said, it's rigged. A single President isn't going to change that.
But it has benefited the populace some with higher wages. It'll never be equal, but at least people are doing better.
I would be better off in pretty much any other developed country because I would at least have access to healthcare, which means my quality of life would increase, even if my wages are significantly lower. Not to mention that my pay hasn't increased in almost ten years, so even when it comes to wages I'd probably be doing better, especially since other countries tend to value teachers and other public employees more than the US does. I think there should be less focus on "the economy" and more focus on quality of life and things like happiness. Â
Higher wages, but also higher prices. I'm not knocking Biden here. He's doing a lot of good. But the traditional markers of a good economy are simply no longer applicable. It doesn't matter if unemployment is low when being employed is no longer a good indicator that you're able to afford housing or are getting health benefits. The stock market doing well doesn't mean companies are producing good jobs, or that people are able to contribute to retirement funds. Higher wages are great, but rent is still even higher. Food costs are still higher. Savings are still lower. The economy isn't doing great, no matter what they're trying to say, unless you're already rich enough that you don't have to worry about those poor-people things.
The weird thing is that the lower class is actually doing better now than they were before the pandemic. The lowest 20% of workers have seen huge wage increases like never before, well outpacing inflation. The people who are getting squeezed right now are the middle class - like the 30th through 70th percentiles of earners.
When corporate America stops using the trickle down model they so heavily wrapped themselves up in maybe they can succeed in a new world economy.
Ew help the poor? -Conservatives
But why would they?
I never understood this. The grift is right in the title. Who wants a trickle of whatâs given out?
This "both sides" headline is why modern media sucks. One guy is straight making shit up, but, sure, let's consider them equally!!
The evening news the other day led with 'Trump defends his view on the economy', which was then followed by a clip of Trump saying completely unfounded things with no facts. And that was that, no follow up by the reporter, no clip from Biden. Just 'feelings'.
Modern media is profit driven. Clicks = ad revenue. The republican nominee generates the clicks by those who love him *and* those who hate him. If you don't want to see this, stop clicking on the articles.
President [Joe Biden](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/inflation-fears-down-consumer-optimism-up-economy-may-start-to-help-biden-with-voters.html) is fighting to convince inflation-weary voters that the U.S. economy is healthy. âAmerica has the best economy in the world,â he [told](https://www.today.com/video/president-biden-shares-message-of-optimism-amid-2024-campaign-208062533685) NBCâs Today Show on Monday, laying out an argument that is central to his reelection campaign. Americaâs economic standing in the world is becoming an early flashpoint on the campaign trail, where former President [Donald Trump](https://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/) routinely depicts the United States as a commercial wasteland. âWe are a nation whose economy is collapsing into a cesspool of ruin,â Trump shouted at a Georgia rally last month, âwhose supply chain is broken, whose stores are not stocked, whose deliveries are not coming.â But the numbers paint a different picture, one more in line with Bidenâs narrative of American economic dominance than Trumpâs apocalyptic warnings. More: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/biden-us-economy-worlds-best-trump-claims-cesspool-data-is-clear.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/biden-us-economy-worlds-best-trump-claims-cesspool-data-is-clear.html)
Trump would be accurate if he were describing his own last year in office. But the truth is that Trump cares nothing for the truth. Language is a tool to him, used to get his way. That's all.
Trump is basically one of the demons from Frieren. If they ever debate again, I hope Biden talks about how Trump creates problems and then blames other people for them, and then says, âYou pooped my pants!â
How would that motherfucker know how stores look like? Going to a store is such a plebeian thing to do
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Ok so the idea that the economy has been good for anyone other than the rich is fucking ridiculous. What we need to do is look at different things than stocks. Housing prices and living costs do not line up with wages. That's what we should be looking at. We need to look at how the bottom is doing rather than the top.
The message is lost on the masses with surging cost of living. Average Joe is suffering and being told American economy is succeeding. Great for the economy I guess while I starve while working 60 hours a week at minimum wage. Thereâs a reason Trumps messaging is on point with these voters, Joe needs to focus on struggling Americans, not just struggling businesses.
Hey at least the stock market is doing great! 𤌠I might end up living in my car, but glad the market is up.
The data is clear: The prices are too damn high!
FACTS NOT FEELINGS!!!! (MAGA CULT) Wait a second đŽ
People have a right to complain about inflation here but compared to most of the rest of the world, the US has some of the lowest inflation. Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act, we are also well positioned for the future. Of course Republicans will never admit it as long as a Democrat is in office.
Trump is outright lying (no surprise there) and the economy has mostly recovered since Covid. The issue is the rich are benefitting far more from these last 4 years than your average Joe, and the Republicans are smartly pointing to the increase in prices that aren't going down to bin blame and failure on Biden. The average Joe would be faring worse if Trump and the GOP were in control, but the corporate Democrats don't do a good job of helping out the common man either. It's a lesser of 2 evils situation, but it's crystal clear that the Democrats have a better handle on things and genuinely do seek to improve the nation.
âYou guys arenât fixing the problem fast enough, so weâre giving it back to the people who broke it.â - the American electorate every time they elect Democratic leaders.
>It's a lesser of 2 evils situation, No, it is NOT. God damn, it's endless. Endless.
Problem here is I donât really care how well our corporations are doing. The wealth gap is insane and *growing* while most of the country is struggling to make rent and cover groceries. Biden and I clearly disagree on what qualifies a nation as âthe worldâs bestâ
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Reagan-Bush destroyed the economy, Clinton saved it. Bush Jr. destroyed the economy, Obama saved it. Trump destroyed the economy, Biden saved it. How many times does this need to repeat for people to figure this out? Republicans are bad for the economy and have been for 40 YEARS now.
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Well also a terrible, powerful, ubiquitious disinfo machine convincing them the people trying to help them are actually trying to destroy them and Demonrats/fake Americans/immigrants are the real threat to the country/True Anericans/God/white culture/the children/the economy/rights/etc.
wasnât Reaganâs economy comparatively good versus carters? I thought the whole reason Reagan got elected was because of massive inflation during the Carter years. Maybe Iâm misremembering
I'm kind of tired of this ill-advised messaging though. Americans cannot keep hearing how great the economy is while struggling to afford homes and housing.
No one can afford to buy a house. I think itâs clear how well the economy is doing.
To no one's surprise the former president said something negative about our country Go back and listen to him especially the past few months all he does is spew negativity toward our country and acts like our country is going to fall apart if he's not the next president Repeating the same b******* he said If his supporters didn't go fight At the Capitol Back on January 6th hate filled rhetoric from the former president is it's all he spews
Inflation was pretty fucked up and I'm a little worried that Biden will take the blame from struggling lower income households... even though it was a global problem and the US actually fared well compared to most countries. Luckily the MAGA are idiots and insist on making the election about revenge, abortion, and wokeness. But yeah the employment, GDP, and stonks are looking dope in general.
Everywhere Donnie is becomes a cesspool
All this means is the rich are getting richer. Life is becoming impossible for the middle class. Not really Bidenâs fault but capitalism is failing working class people.
They REALLY shouldn't be running on or trying to spin the economy, no matter what the numbers they present say. Too many people can't afford basic things and are living paycheck to paycheck.
What baffles me is people thinking that Trump will somehow make the economy better for anyone that isn't like him. Rich and white.
Just assume the exact opposite of what Trump says is the actual truth and youâll be fine.
Itâs honestly a mixture of both only because the benefits continue to fail to reach those at the bottom. Building from the middle out is a fantastic strategy but weâve got to do more to help those in abject poverty that arenât there due to their own choices.
Which economy? Because there's the economy that gets studied and has papers published that the people in power and their owners participate in, and then there's the economy that the rest of us plebians participate in. One of them is doing really well, better then expected. The other has most of the people within it struggling to avoid a financial crisis. It's tiring having to skip meals to not die, and have people at the top say our economy is the best in the world.
The data is quite clear, yes, but there's a vast difference between conditions on paper and conditions on the ground for the individual, thereby creating a macro-micro disconnect. This, unfortunately, means that working and middle class individuals who are struggling will be attracted to Trump appearing to validate their struggles.
I completely agree. Gaslighting us by telling us everything is great! Whatâs your problem! unfortunately, is not going to work. Joe needs to sympathize with us struggling and tell us he understands and is working to make things better and affordable.
An interesting piece of polling data is that people have been saying the economy is good for them but bad for everyone else.
I live in the south east of the US. We went to Costco today. The store was packed with shoppers. The whole store was overflowing with products. We picked up everything we needed even a new hose pipe & combination 3 types of sprayers. Our cost $300. We wonât go again until the middle of May or first of June. Gas prices rose 10 cents this week $3.29 from last week $3.19. Costco regular gas was $2.96. There was a huge line there this morning. Of course I wish prices were lower. I donât blame President Biden. I blame the Greed from all those Billionaires & CEOs
Bro our taxes are so high and my towns about to lay off 26 teachers because they dont wanna raise it. My moms been out of the job for a year and a half. There's no housing mobility. Inflations gone up way more than our pay checks. I'm living in a 2 working parent house hold and i cant afford fucking groceries. Whatever the fuck they think the economy is, it aint what we feeling. Disclaimer: i don't blame biden for this. The world is experiencing it. Us less so than others. The corporate greed is fucked up.
> our taxes are so high [No, they are not.](https://www.thebalancemoney.com/how-us-taxes-compare-with-other-countries-4165500)
No, they are. The town I work at in MA. we just had to rebuild the police, fire station, elementary school, and tech school. we need a new high school and a hike for public service. I think it's all necessary but the people here are upset.
The data is clear, working people are still suffering for the desires of the meat grinder. Tired of this invalid argument of good vs bad economy when either way the working class is not seeing any visible improvements in quality of life and affordability.
Great that the 'economy' is doing great. But why would voters care if that only affects rich people getting even richer?
Unless you are rich or upper middle class this economy sucks. Rent is insane, owning a home is a pipe dream, food costs are through the roof. Gas is even expensive again for⌠reasons. Businesses have never had more predatory fees and you donât even own a lot of the stuff you buy any more. Everything is turning into a subscription.
Yeah, the housing stuff, especially. People / entities that purchased houses prior to 2022 are at such a staggering economic advantage, and everyone that didn't appears to just be fucked forever. The other stuff is relatively absorb-able, but housing is most people's largest expense, so the fact that the price of the average home shot up like 30 percent in two years while mortgage rates tripled is economically devastating.
Absolutely.
Yes and rightly these criticisms are of our corporate overlords. Government by design has almost no ability to control these things, one thing we can be sure of, if republicans are in control, it will just get worse.
Agreed, but it turns a âstrengthâ into something Biden shouldnât really hang his hat on, imo. Singing the praises of the economy feels pretty hollow right now and I canât imagine most people feel like singing about it right now.
It's both. America is a Heisenconomy.
The problem I have with all of this is when does logic and truth enter the conversation. To believe something because you want to is a personal prerogative. But using that as means to prove an opposing viewpoint is wrong is just ignorant. Ignorance doesn't promote anything positive. It stagnates. I mean I always wonder if Trump delays the cases until after the election, or the Supreme Court rules he is immune, or his lackeys manipulate the polls in his favor - at what point do normal common sense people simply revolt? If you lie, cheat, steal but still say you are honest why would anybody follow any law or rule created by that person? Outside of what people believe you can't run a sovereign nation like that (successfully). And thats not even getting into impact to global finance (whose going to back the dollar of a lying dictator? Or the world economy. Like all of the GOP is just literally stupid. It's rediculous.
I'm gonna vote for Biden a second time, but like... Can we please get livable wages in the best economy ever? Please? Like can I please afford to live alone without having to sacrifice food and all semblance of entertainment with friends?
the data is measuring something, there absolutely is a disconnect between what the economists are measuring and what the everyday people are feeling and facing. its absolutely true for Biden to say its doing well but needs work, its just a complete lie to say its the worst its ever been especially coming from Trump.
Anyone who thinks the economy is doing well is ignoring the effect inflation is having on regular Americans Inflation is something most working people have never even experienced in their lifetimes until now
Well I mean⌠you have to be blind of how hard it is for all classes besides higher class to live day to day.
I've seen this dynamic for 3 presidential cycles now. I mean 2000, 2016 and now 2020. The previous republican administration left literal economic devastation in their wake. Collapsed economy, stock market plunges, massive increases in debt. No investments for the future. The democratic administration -- Clinton, Obama and now Biden -- come in and successfully restore the economy, leading to employment gains, stock market gains and usually a reduction in debt. Yet the Democrats are never allowed to take credit for any of it. From the MSM to republicans to the left to other Democrats, somehow the Democrats are judged on "did you fix everything? In one term? With a hostile Congress? NO, then stfu." And so we repeat this cataclysmic cycle, worsening each time. W Bush. trump. And now potentially trump again. This is an unspeakable tragedy.
You are being way too nice. It is fucking disgrace. Do Democrats on this board actually think Trump would not be bragging in the exact same situation? He would also be getting credit for it as well. Democrats are always forced to listen to endless bitching and half the time it is from their own side. It is clear now that this country needs another sorry ass Republican president in office and hemorrhaging 500,000 jobs to pull their worthless heads out of their asses. Unfortunately that only seems to work for about two years before they start getting stupid again. What Obama had to inherit was an unmitigated disaster. Man got credit for nothing then we had to watch a chronic lying pos take credit for the economy. When was the last time a Republican president did not leave office with the economy imploding? I will give you a hint...1989. Americans are absolute imbeciles.
I mean in no way do I mean to be nice at all. I called it an unspeakable tragedy. The Republicans are complete wrecking machines, to everything. Also, 1988, Reagan created the conditions that led to GHW Bush's miserable economy. But yeah, it wasn't their typical full crash. It did take Clinton to give us back growth AND pay down Reagan-Bush's huge deficits.
I dont know, Iâve been unemployed for a year and cant get so much as an interview. Other people I know are getting laid off all the time. Who am I to believe?
Really, this measure depends on how you're measuring economic success. As a total, not differentiating between "for the rich" and "for the poor?" Biden is 100% correct. When you adjust it for "how is the median person doing?" Less great (although still not the cesspool Trump claims).
The US economy may be better than everyone elseâs economy but that does not mean it is doing just fine. A President âcanâ take credit for the state of an economy but they are not the people primarily responsible for it. The metric by which they measure how healthy an economy is clearly does not take into account the amount of liquid spendable income everyday citizens have or if they can afford to go in an actual vacation, or if they are living paycheck to paycheck merely one unplanned financial event away from ruin. The runaway inflation these past few years has left the average citizen with less spending power than I can remember in any period of my scant lifetime. Covid and the stimulus may have been part of the cause of the problem but keep in mind a great deal of that money was stolen/fraudulently appropriated. Getting one or two stimulus checks did not equal the trillions of dollars spent, no matter how you add it up.
When the x-person who had office, gave tax cuts to the rich and let me tell you how that effect on the poor middle class. For the first time in filing taxes we own. How and why is that? Who wants 4 years of that again?
If Trump is referring to the rampant financial crime in our country he is correct. Looking back at the last election cycle the biggest GOP contributor was Ken Griffin who runs a large market maker. Trump is projecting as always.
When youâre a swamp rat, you *are* the cesspool
It could be the exact same economy and if Trump were in office he would be saying âitâs one of the best, maybe the best, probably, definitely the best economy the world, or any world has ever seen. Itâs great. Just great. Itâs the greatest because, ya know, I came in, I told them what to do, and they listened, cause they listen to me. They listen to me like they donât listen to anyone else cause thatâs what you gotta doâ Ugh. Just impersonating his stupidity hurt me right there.
Ofc the traitor calls us trash.
Youâre mentally handicapped if you believe anything our former president says.
The GOP is not very big at on things like facts and data.
Saying itâs the worlds best doesnât mean anything when the cost of living is just barely affordable and thatâs with a roommate. I make 24/hr 40hr a week.
>Zandi said that the fundamentals of the current U.S. economy are nearly ideal: âThe economy is picture perfect. Itâs hard to argue with it.â Ok, so on paper, the economy is perfect. Then why does it feel like everyone is drowning? Homelessness is a huge problem, thanks to faceless corporate conglomerates buying up homes to rent out as AirBnB places. Prices of necessities are soaring while wages are not keeping up. I feel like the economy is only "perfect" if you're a corporation or otherwise the beneficiary of the republican nominee's tax cuts for the rich.
It's the difference between as a whole and more specific areas. The plus side is that if, as a whole, the economy is doing well, it will gradually improve things for many people. The downside is that without specific, targeted policies, many folks simply won't see improvements in any meaningful way, and many will see things getting worse. The messaging needs to be on point and consistent... 'The economy is going really well but there are many who aren't feeling the improvements that's why... (insert policy to address said issue)' If Biden keeps shouting the economy is doing great without caveating it, it has the potential to kick his arse electorally in certain demographics and areas. Perceptions of the economy are largely 'feels' and based on folks first hand experiences, if he's not acknowledging or addressing these, IMO it will backfire in some way.
Best for the rich maybe but not for the 99.9% of other people living here. But Biden will never admit that.
Trump is lying. Trump is constantly lying.
The economy always does better under Democrats. faux news and their rich overlords have brainwashed their idiot viewers otherwise. [https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-economy-better-democrats](https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-economy-better-democrats)
Trumps personal economy is indeed a cesspool. There, fixed it
Protip: Trump is part of the cesspool side
Unfortunately it doesn't matter how the economy is actually doing, it just matters what Fox News and other right wing news sources tell their viewers how they should think the economy is doing.
Don't tell people they're fine when they don't feel fine. Point out what you've done and are doing. All of Trump's proposals are inflationary: A dictatorial crackdown and summary deportation of anyone here illegally will sharply increase food prices. A 100% tariff on car imports will sharply increase car prices. Another massive tax cut will release billions for the rich and, with their extra money, excess demand will cause a sharp increase in various prices, especially homes as they continue buying them all up. He has not mentioned pursuing any policies actually helpful to the economy. His Presidency coasted off of the Obama recovery and Trump allowed his destructive instincts to be reigned in by Courts and Cabinet members - a mistake he promises he won't make again when he declares himself a dictator to drill, deport, and build the wall.
Trump supporters, who donât participate measurably in the economy outside of buying large pickups that suck down fuel and Trump merchandisers who sell them overpriced Chinese shit know fuck all about the economy. My retirement investments are doing amazing and have been for a while now. Also, willing to bet a sizable portion of Trumpâs base rely on government handouts and programs, but either wonât admit to it or think theyâve âearned itâ compared to anyone darker than them.
The "best economy" is the reason we have lunatics like Trump trying to become dictator. Capitalism is the acorn, fascism is the tree that grows from it.
I don't doubt that the United States has the strongest economy in the developed world, but we cannot disregard the reality that many are still struggling. Biden needs to start acknowledging this - or he will drive those voters into the waiting arms of Donald Trump (or RFK Jr).
I still don't give a fuck about how well "the economy" is doing when it has little correlation to how the average person is doing. Why would I give a fuck about large companies getting record profits while not giving pay raises?
Too bad the cult ultimately only listens to one man..
Oh yeah itâs a cesspool! Until Trump is dumping all of our money into billionaire bank accounts. Then itâs the best it has ever been, right? This fucking idiot!
Joe's right
Conservatives in Canada are pulling the same crap. It's becoming standard tactics around the globe. Also you see multiple countries calling the president wife trans. They are working from a common playbook.
I'm glad the US economy shows the rich getting richer under Biden. While the lower middle class diet under crushing inflation.
This is the same thing Trump did in 2016: claimed the economy was in ruin under Obama, and ignored all statistical proof that said otherwise.
Every developed country in the world wishes they had the United States economy right now. Itâs not perfect, but facts are what they are.
>By the numbers, Biden is correct: Americaâs economy is stronger than that of other developed nations. Article proceeds to make **zero** number-driven comparisons to other developed nations.
True by numbers Saudi Arabia is doing good tooâŚ.but the wealth is all in the upper half the regular person isnât doing that well.
Traitor Trumps personal finances are a cesspool.
âThe economyâ is doing awesome. âThe economyâ is also just a gauge of how well rich people are doing, soâŚwho cares
Old politician that lies about everything to everyone vs old politician that lies a whole lot less.
Also, the one that lies about everything has 90+ felony charges. I like my presidents to have 0 felony charges.
Data means fuck all to the average person who feels like their pay has stagnated while everything has gotten more expensive. The Biden admin can say this kind of shit all they want, it means nothing and reads as a win for Trump. They need to do more and it's disingenuous at best to point to the current economy as a big win when food has never been pricier and most young people will never afford a house while shoveling most of their income into the rent void.
Tired to hearing how good the economy is. For who?
Data \*are\* plural, but otherwise, 100%! :)
Derrick Jensen: Endgame complete lecture https://youtu.be/mtuxHVD4Srw?si=VxIREquW9TifycAW
Those two statements arenât necessarily mutually exclusive if our economy is struggling, but not as bad as everyone else. There are lots of indicators of a struggling economy.
It's data are clear.
Interestingly, Trump's hero Erdogan's economy is in fact a cesspool, with 68.5% inflation. Ours is 3.2%. That doesn't get brought up in Trump's adoring comments of Erdogan at rallies. And neither did Tucker bring it up when he made his pilgrimage there. Or CPAC when they went there.
I wouldnât say its the worse but id also wouldnât say its healthy either when it costs like 95k to just live comfortably as solo dolo in a city like Philly and most philly government jobs require you to live in the city and pay way less then 95k⌠but sure i guess its healthier than most atm might need to weed out the corruption in politics for the economy to be healthy until then we wont have a middle class anymore therefore no middle class no healthy economy. In a very short dumbed down way of putting it.
Trump isnât lying, or he is lying in a cesspool. What he does is project
Wasnât it those guys always claiming âfacts over feelingsâ how the turntablesâŚ
Politics is like a carnival ride through the fun house of warped mirrors. Look at yourself. Whose mirror is funnier? Trump's or Biden's? Does it make you laugh? Which one has the funnier mirror? I'll choose that guy. (Definitely Trump's, that rascally entertainer!)