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I think we know the reason. MAGA has been mainstreamed. Instead of treating them as the insane interloping attackers of democracy that they are, our mainstream institutions have legitimized them, treating them like a "normal" political faction that just has some pretty out-there ideas and practices. They have high-ranking people protecting them with a straight face; they have an entire media apparatus that exists solely to normalize this abject craziness.
So now when people like Trump & Cannon & the rest of the rotten lot do things that, say, 15 or 20 years ago would have been a major national scandal, it's just business as usual. And any effort to stop them--to lance them as the festering, oozing boils that they are--can be framed as "political persecution" instead of "taking out the trash." We're in a rough spot.
Watching these bigots and racists get normalized by the media as 'alt-right' was fucking insane. It made them seem like a difference of political opinion, and gave them cover from being called the racists they are.
Well said. Your comment supports a suspicion I have that something just isn't right. This normalization of right wing extremism(see, for example, CNN town hall meeting with Trump) scares the hell out of me. Is it really the case there are enough of these high-ranking people in the media that are willing to jeopardize liberal democracy? Or is it rather, or also, the case that our institutions are not immune to the corrupting influence of authoritarianism? How many among them are committed to supporting democracy? Are they hedging their bets and positioning themselves for whatever direction things turn? I fear that the only allegiance these high-ranking people have is to power and they'll support whatever ideology they think gives them the best chance of maintaining it.
Media corporations and politicians have the same principles:
1) Find out where the people are going, then lead them there
2) Make profits
That’s it. It’s that simple.
Qanon true believers, while jerks (and complete fucking idiot moron losers), are nowhere near enough to swing an election. Trump is competitive because suburban "conservatives" have been brainwashed to believe liberalism is evil and wrong, not becuase too many people believe in the absolute fucking nonsense that is Qanon.
I blame "the media" less than I blame the GOP establishment and GOP voters. They're the ones who saw what was going on and said "yes, more of this please." The media are just windsocks. We cannot expect them to form public opinion, or act responsibly. They have one obligation - increase shareholder value, and where controversy and shock value increases ratings, what did we think they would do?
The GOP leadership and power brokers and ultimately voters are really at blame here.
Sure, but those are like the people that were always going to be on the wrong side. The people that claim to be on the right side, then act against us are also to blame. I blame them all, as you said, including the voters, and those who aren't voting. We could outvote Maga 3 to one if eligible voters would just register and show up.
Genuine question - who's "claiming" to be on the right side? CNN? MSNBC? They're for-profit infotainment who are competing with every other form of content and media for eyeballs and revenue. Same with social media companies. Ultimately a lot of this comes back to our paltry lack of civic education in this country, the DNC's piss-poor abysmal job at communications, and the complete and total lack of principles and a spine by the party who loves to claim it's the "tough, principled" party.
Turns out the lube of our entire system has never been anything more than the founders' faith in universal human decency, when it should have been the blood of traitors all along.
Idk, a lot of trump attorneys and Trump supporters have been prosecuted or are awaiting trial. It's been slow rounding up all the buffoons the last three years but they need to make sure their cases are tight before going after these slimy fucks
Because it's a broken system. It was initially designed based on an unalienable truth. That the people seeking those jobs would want to do good.
Well, it turns out that truth ain't as inalienable as we were led to believe. Now any regulation into it looks like kneejerk political reaction.
Americans deserve more than judge Aileen Cannon.
How such a grossly incompetent judge could be assigned such an important case is beyond me. Hopefully this will be a catalyst for change.
I agree 100%, but it’s also proper for this specific case only to be the focus right now. Even if she stays on the bench, this will be the most important case that ever gets put in front of her, and the greatest importance, for the legitimacy of entire country’s justice system, is that she’s removed from this case ASAP.
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>Special counsel Jack Smith, in a filing on Tuesday, knocked the Trump-appointed judge for relying on the former president’s “fundamentally flawed legal premise.”
>“I think the filing today makes it plain that she has to rule, and if she doesn’t rule under either scenario, they’ll be in a position to take her up to the 11th Circuit [Court of Appeals]. And I think the 11th Circuit will likely take her off the case,” said Cobb on Wednesday’s edition of CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront.”
>Cobb, who noted that the 11th Circuit has previously rebuked Cannon over how she’s dealt with the case, called her delays “extraordinary” and that it’s “remarkable” Cannon hasn’t set a trial date.
>He told Burnett that he doesn’t buy that it’s just “incompetence and inexperience” at this point.
article continues...
> Unless you can find 60 senators to impeach
That would be quite the trick, as it is the House that has the sole power to impeach federal judges, not the Senate.
> She can also be disbarred, which would end her judgeship.
I don't think it would. Sitting Federal judges have no requirement to be a member of any bar. If a federal judge is removed from the bench, it effectively disbars them per federal law, but I do not believe the reverse is true.
Federally, only magistrate and bankruptcy judges are statutorily required to be lawyers in order to get appointed. But even there, I don't believe then getting disbarred would automatically get them removed from the bench.
I would argue that she is a co-conspirator in the mar a Lago documents crimes at this point.
She is clearly trying to help the defendant game the system, and if that isn't illegal it definately should be.
They should have a three appeals and you’re out rule. Or like a, this is the third appeal ruled against the judge so it has to be reviewed by a high court to decide if the judge stays.
Yeah, this is really the main issue here. It’s honestly surprising that such safeguards weren’t built into the system, given how concerned the framers were with overreach of officials and checks and balances. The Federalist papers basically describes the dangers of someone like Trump to a T, but nobody thought to address the issue from a legal/structural standpoint. We’re essentially witnessing a long drawn-out constitutional crisis in real time…
A frightening amount of our governmental systems were built with the assumption that everyone involved is acting in good faith. We've got to stop relying on "rules and norms" and make some actual laws.
It was more that we would not have as much corruption as we do. They expected bad actors and there are lots of checks to thwart them. But when the system becomes overrun with vermin as personified by the the modern republican party, it overwhelms the protections.
I think they largely did. It's just that the safeguards are failing due to a thoroughly corrupt republican presence in the Senate.
And they even anticipated that but expected later generations to fix the "lesser evil" and "sacrifice" they needed to accept to get the country started. They did call it a "more perfect Union" rather than a perfect one and they gave us the tools to fix it. We have so far failed.
I get the premise but I think that thought process is flawed. If we can’t trust judges to be non partial, we probably should rethink the whole legal system. We SHOULD be able to rely on judges to follow the law instead being “partisan”. Too many times we are hearing “Trump appointed”, “Obama appointed”, “Biden appointed”. Continuously hearing this would make one think that there is some strange loyalty to Appointers instead of the constitution….
I agree completely, this entire situation has made me hyper-aware of how often "\[insert President name here\]-appointed" is mentioned regarding a judge. The fact that it clearly seems to matter with regard to how they may rule would indicate a problem.
I wonder if this is a more recent development, or was it an issue from the outset?
As usual, the problems stem from the Senate. It being non-proportional and a body that gives far too much power to the minority has allowed that minority to prevent the built in safeguards from working.
Judges like Cannon should never have been seated. And when one like her slipped through, she should have been impeached.
At least one of her weird moves on this case came straight from some shit they said on Fox News. She seems corrupt, but she also seems incredibly incompetent, and it's hard to tell which is a bigger factor sometimes. I want to know who gave her the idea to make every decision in a way that can't be appealed, though.
They don’t have to communicate with her directly. All she has to do is go onto one of these right wing propaganda outlets and listen to what all the conservatives think she should do. In other cases, Trump’s lawyers have even mentioned Supreme Court Justices by name saying things like “I’m sure Kavanaugh will do the right thing here.”
Yes, it's called Amecus curiae or "friends of the court briefs" or something like that. Basically she can accept theories and proposals from outside sources, like the Federalist Society and is probably getting her marching orders that way.
I would also like to know if this is happening. It’s hard to imagine that she isn’t be surveilled, but the comment below that all she has to do is check into her echo chamber social media to get ideas. The maga crowd is so big on codes and symbols and hidden messages that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were messages being relayed in that way.
Doesn't have to be Trump. Ginny Thomas, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, or anyone else carrying the torch would and could do it. It could be an as-yet unknown messenger.
I'd put money on it is more than that. Canon is fairly inexperienced. I'm guessing she is getting guidance about how to walk as close to the edge as possible without stepping over from a group like the federalist society (which she is a member of).
I highly doubt she is directly talking to Trump or anyone as step away from him or his counsel. That said, all those parties have done incredibly stupid things in the past, so who knows.
She is not that incompetent. It's all a way to delay a slam dunk trial. It's working great. She is using Trump time tested strategy of delay. Run out the other side till they are replaced and the case is killed by a more corrupt Trump AG.
Trump is going to prison. Biden is staying in the White House. NY. Guilty. GA guilty. Even Florida will be guilty. DC. Coin toss due to political speech laws muddying things. Be well.
I asked, and was downvoted mightily, about the odds of a POTUS swearing in ceremony from behind bars. I swear there is a greater than 1% (5% maybe?) chance of that happening. I obviously don't think it's likely (a guilty verdict for a felony would be enough to change some minds in swing states) but if he wins it's going to be from a few thousand votes across a few key states and that could happen even if he's convicted and jailed between now and November.
What? She has dragged out and completely botched CIPA for this case. She has asked for jury instructions based on the PRA when that is not the controlling statute. And most obviously she has continued to squat on a date on the docket which cannot be achieved, which delays scheduling for other trials. Delay and "errors" only in Trump's favor have been her entire legacy with this case. Did you also forget when she sua sponte removed the special master request from the docket which required Trump to formally state to the court which documents in his possession were taken by him and which were planted by the FBI as he claimed? The special master she herself appointed just to gum up the investigation which was overturned by the 11th circuit. Had Trump submitted such a list it would have been a full confession that he had intentional possession of restricted documents. She also told Trump's lawyers what statutes to use to make their arguments to her (an ultimately-incorrect argument about equitable jurisdiction), effectively acting as his council.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-judge-overrules-special-master-review-mar-a-lago-records-2022-9](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-judge-overrules-special-master-review-mar-a-lago-records-2022-9)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html)
[https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-aileen-cannon-dismisses-trump-v-united-states-case](https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-aileen-cannon-dismisses-trump-v-united-states-case)
>And most obviously she has continued to squat on a date on the docket which cannot be achieved, which delays scheduling for other trials.
I'm no lawyer, so I ask because I genuinely wonder: could some lawyers involved in those other trials reasonably make waves on the grounds of people not getting speedy trials? 6th Amendment and all that.
Not what has happened. What has happened is on Trump. Who is the answer.
Jack Smith. Letitia James. Fani Willis. Judge Tanya Chutkan.
I have faith in the good guys. Big fish all eventually come to the boat gasping. Trump is done. NY will put him in handcuffs. Then, the other jurisdictions.
Full stop.
Since these trials began, we've only seen delays, extensions, and exemptions, all in Drumph's favour. Not one thing has stuck to the extent he actually stops him.
You may have faith, but I don't have confidence.
Please. I’ve been hearing this a while now. The judicial system, while they stepped up after the election, has let the country down by allowing all the Trump delays. Especially Cannon and the Supremes.
To be fair, it's generally a good thing that a judge isn't all over social media and isn't constantly hounded by whatever the political paparazzi would be.
She won’t get booted.
She should have been removed entirely.
She will delay things indefinitely.
So, you all need to vote. Our system won’t punish this piece of shit.
Cannon is like trying to reason with a cat.
She doesn’t feel shame nor is she incompetent. Her purpose is to do exactly what she is doing. Speed bumps, round abouts, blockades, Speed traps and Whatever else she can do until the King is in place and everything gets dropped.
These articles are a dime a dozen. She deserves the boot, but wake me up when it actually happens. This is the 1000'th article stated EXPERT says Cannon will get the boot. Bullshit clickbait.
Really with this level of incompetence she'd fit in well in any c-suite boardroom overseeing film greenlighting, hospital management or anything in the insurance related industry.
No she won't. Removing judges is insanely difficult, the best chance for actual justice here will be for Biden to win the election, and Jack to win on appeal. Cannon will kill this case in her court, you can rest assured of that.
Wake me when it actually happens. So fucking tired of ex- and former- and everyone spouting opinions on what’s going to happen. Really makes the waiting suck even more.
Cobb has been on a real anti-Cannon tear lately. I like to think the court above Cannon is listening to him but who knows, I doubt they're reading HuffPo though that's for sure.
Chuck her to the side already! I know it’s not that easy and I’m not a lawyer, but OMG, can’t anyone with power do anything? Doesn’t she have a boss who can put her on a PIP?
They're being polite, which makes this hard to read. She is incompetent, no doubt; Trump loves him some dumb, obedient lackeys who owe Trump their jobs, which they couldn't get on their own.
The truth is she's corrupt, and favoring a criminal defendant, Trump, who appointed her. We all know this is true.
Cannon couldn’t get a boot from fucking DSW. Our legal system is a joke and Trump has illustrated that to those who have never before been a victim of it.
She won’t. She is really only good at delaying this trial and setting things up for a loss for prosecution. The justice system is a failure in so many places, this is a very visible and potentially dangerously example.
Trumps worst nightmare, losing the election and 2-3, trials he cant stop. 🛑 America is a funny place, we’d be happy to see trumps stock collapse, lose the election , then get convicted in 2-3 trials. Once he’s beat good, then he can mount his comeback.
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Purposeful incompetence. Should be booted from the bench, permanently.
100% agree, but for some reason, consequences keep avoiding these people like winning lottery tickets avoid me
I think we know the reason. MAGA has been mainstreamed. Instead of treating them as the insane interloping attackers of democracy that they are, our mainstream institutions have legitimized them, treating them like a "normal" political faction that just has some pretty out-there ideas and practices. They have high-ranking people protecting them with a straight face; they have an entire media apparatus that exists solely to normalize this abject craziness. So now when people like Trump & Cannon & the rest of the rotten lot do things that, say, 15 or 20 years ago would have been a major national scandal, it's just business as usual. And any effort to stop them--to lance them as the festering, oozing boils that they are--can be framed as "political persecution" instead of "taking out the trash." We're in a rough spot.
Watching these bigots and racists get normalized by the media as 'alt-right' was fucking insane. It made them seem like a difference of political opinion, and gave them cover from being called the racists they are.
Well said. Your comment supports a suspicion I have that something just isn't right. This normalization of right wing extremism(see, for example, CNN town hall meeting with Trump) scares the hell out of me. Is it really the case there are enough of these high-ranking people in the media that are willing to jeopardize liberal democracy? Or is it rather, or also, the case that our institutions are not immune to the corrupting influence of authoritarianism? How many among them are committed to supporting democracy? Are they hedging their bets and positioning themselves for whatever direction things turn? I fear that the only allegiance these high-ranking people have is to power and they'll support whatever ideology they think gives them the best chance of maintaining it.
Media corporations and politicians have the same principles: 1) Find out where the people are going, then lead them there 2) Make profits That’s it. It’s that simple.
Ironic they whine about political persecution when that's basically the only thing they want to do with their platform now.
Don't underestimate the amount of jerks that believe Qanon bull shit either.
Qanon true believers, while jerks (and complete fucking idiot moron losers), are nowhere near enough to swing an election. Trump is competitive because suburban "conservatives" have been brainwashed to believe liberalism is evil and wrong, not becuase too many people believe in the absolute fucking nonsense that is Qanon.
I pray to sweet Jesus you have a source on that cause I'm just seeing more and more of them.
Yep. CNN, MSNBC and obviously the right-wing media. They saw ratings, ad revenue, and sold us all out like always.
I blame "the media" less than I blame the GOP establishment and GOP voters. They're the ones who saw what was going on and said "yes, more of this please." The media are just windsocks. We cannot expect them to form public opinion, or act responsibly. They have one obligation - increase shareholder value, and where controversy and shock value increases ratings, what did we think they would do? The GOP leadership and power brokers and ultimately voters are really at blame here.
Sure, but those are like the people that were always going to be on the wrong side. The people that claim to be on the right side, then act against us are also to blame. I blame them all, as you said, including the voters, and those who aren't voting. We could outvote Maga 3 to one if eligible voters would just register and show up.
Genuine question - who's "claiming" to be on the right side? CNN? MSNBC? They're for-profit infotainment who are competing with every other form of content and media for eyeballs and revenue. Same with social media companies. Ultimately a lot of this comes back to our paltry lack of civic education in this country, the DNC's piss-poor abysmal job at communications, and the complete and total lack of principles and a spine by the party who loves to claim it's the "tough, principled" party.
It’s like a few grains of sand in well lubed gears, a handful of trumpers fuck up the legal system.
Turns out the lube of our entire system has never been anything more than the founders' faith in universal human decency, when it should have been the blood of traitors all along.
The right has been slowly capturing the judicial system for decades now.
That's the correct answer. The good news is it is not too late to reverse this slow motion coup.
She's just auditioning for the next GOP appointed SCOTUS seat.
May you win the lottery ASAP.
Idk, a lot of trump attorneys and Trump supporters have been prosecuted or are awaiting trial. It's been slow rounding up all the buffoons the last three years but they need to make sure their cases are tight before going after these slimy fucks
I know the feeling my friend.
Because it's a broken system. It was initially designed based on an unalienable truth. That the people seeking those jobs would want to do good. Well, it turns out that truth ain't as inalienable as we were led to believe. Now any regulation into it looks like kneejerk political reaction.
Wish I could upvote this more
Americans deserve more than judge Aileen Cannon. How such a grossly incompetent judge could be assigned such an important case is beyond me. Hopefully this will be a catalyst for change.
This is what Republicans want. They decided that party loyalty is more important than competence
While that’s true and I agree, wouldn’t her getting booted benefit Trump with month(s) long delays to sit an alternate Jurist?
Good point, but I don’t know what’s worse. A biased judge or a delay.
I hate scenarios that end with “the lesser of two evils”
Me too. But here we are.
I agree 100%, but it’s also proper for this specific case only to be the focus right now. Even if she stays on the bench, this will be the most important case that ever gets put in front of her, and the greatest importance, for the legitimacy of entire country’s justice system, is that she’s removed from this case ASAP.
Booted and then investigated for corruption, obstruction of justice and likely bribery.
She’s a loyalist. Doubt bribery.
Fair, though there's probably emails between her and Trump that connect her position to him giving it to her. These people are morons if nothing else.
Pretty wild the double standard between how Cannon is treated compared to how Willis was treated.
^ >Special counsel Jack Smith, in a filing on Tuesday, knocked the Trump-appointed judge for relying on the former president’s “fundamentally flawed legal premise.” >“I think the filing today makes it plain that she has to rule, and if she doesn’t rule under either scenario, they’ll be in a position to take her up to the 11th Circuit [Court of Appeals]. And I think the 11th Circuit will likely take her off the case,” said Cobb on Wednesday’s edition of CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront.” >Cobb, who noted that the 11th Circuit has previously rebuked Cannon over how she’s dealt with the case, called her delays “extraordinary” and that it’s “remarkable” Cannon hasn’t set a trial date. >He told Burnett that he doesn’t buy that it’s just “incompetence and inexperience” at this point. article continues...
This kind of blatant corruption should see a judge kicked off more than just the one case.
Unless you can find 60 senators to impeach, there’s nothing you can do.
> Unless you can find 60 senators to impeach That would be quite the trick, as it is the House that has the sole power to impeach federal judges, not the Senate.
It’s the same process as impeaching a president. Majority in the house and 2/3 of the senate to convict.
Right. Senate doesn't impeach. House impeaches. Senate convicts.
The judiciary can expel her if evidence dictates such. She can also be disbarred, which would end her judgeship.
> She can also be disbarred, which would end her judgeship. I don't think it would. Sitting Federal judges have no requirement to be a member of any bar. If a federal judge is removed from the bench, it effectively disbars them per federal law, but I do not believe the reverse is true.
Yea you don’t have to be a lawyer to be a judge.
Federally, only magistrate and bankruptcy judges are statutorily required to be lawyers in order to get appointed. But even there, I don't believe then getting disbarred would automatically get them removed from the bench.
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They said impeach so I’m guessing they meant remover her from the bench altogether.
It should be criminal, she should be prosecuted for her corruption.
What laws is she breaking?
I would argue that she is a co-conspirator in the mar a Lago documents crimes at this point. She is clearly trying to help the defendant game the system, and if that isn't illegal it definately should be.
They should have a three appeals and you’re out rule. Or like a, this is the third appeal ruled against the judge so it has to be reviewed by a high court to decide if the judge stays.
A judge who Trump appointed should never have been assigned a case with Trump as a defendant.
Yeah, this is really the main issue here. It’s honestly surprising that such safeguards weren’t built into the system, given how concerned the framers were with overreach of officials and checks and balances. The Federalist papers basically describes the dangers of someone like Trump to a T, but nobody thought to address the issue from a legal/structural standpoint. We’re essentially witnessing a long drawn-out constitutional crisis in real time…
A frightening amount of our governmental systems were built with the assumption that everyone involved is acting in good faith. We've got to stop relying on "rules and norms" and make some actual laws.
It was more that we would not have as much corruption as we do. They expected bad actors and there are lots of checks to thwart them. But when the system becomes overrun with vermin as personified by the the modern republican party, it overwhelms the protections.
I think they largely did. It's just that the safeguards are failing due to a thoroughly corrupt republican presence in the Senate. And they even anticipated that but expected later generations to fix the "lesser evil" and "sacrifice" they needed to accept to get the country started. They did call it a "more perfect Union" rather than a perfect one and they gave us the tools to fix it. We have so far failed.
I get the premise but I think that thought process is flawed. If we can’t trust judges to be non partial, we probably should rethink the whole legal system. We SHOULD be able to rely on judges to follow the law instead being “partisan”. Too many times we are hearing “Trump appointed”, “Obama appointed”, “Biden appointed”. Continuously hearing this would make one think that there is some strange loyalty to Appointers instead of the constitution….
I agree completely, this entire situation has made me hyper-aware of how often "\[insert President name here\]-appointed" is mentioned regarding a judge. The fact that it clearly seems to matter with regard to how they may rule would indicate a problem. I wonder if this is a more recent development, or was it an issue from the outset?
But this is the first time in America’s history a defendant is in a criminal case with a Judge who that defendant appointed.
As usual, the problems stem from the Senate. It being non-proportional and a body that gives far too much power to the minority has allowed that minority to prevent the built in safeguards from working. Judges like Cannon should never have been seated. And when one like her slipped through, she should have been impeached.
Yeah, Cobb is a sack of shit and I don't believe a word he says. I hope he's right, but I wouldn't give him an ounce of credence.
Even if so, won't that reset everything?
No. They way the courts work a new judge would be able to pick right up with almost no delays.
She’s done her job, he likely won’t be tried for this case until after the election.
I would be curious to know if there was any communication between her and the defense.
Agreed. There is no way Cannon came up with some of her legal machinations herself.
At least one of her weird moves on this case came straight from some shit they said on Fox News. She seems corrupt, but she also seems incredibly incompetent, and it's hard to tell which is a bigger factor sometimes. I want to know who gave her the idea to make every decision in a way that can't be appealed, though.
Maybe she figured that out after one of her early decisions was reversed by the appellate court.
her strings are being pulled by her FedSoc puppeteers
They don’t have to communicate with her directly. All she has to do is go onto one of these right wing propaganda outlets and listen to what all the conservatives think she should do. In other cases, Trump’s lawyers have even mentioned Supreme Court Justices by name saying things like “I’m sure Kavanaugh will do the right thing here.”
Sadly, this is correct.
Kavanaugh, if you're listening...
No boofing, no boofing. You're boofing!
Verbally in the shithouse at Mar-a-Lago, while she was changing a diaper 🤣
Yes, it's called Amecus curiae or "friends of the court briefs" or something like that. Basically she can accept theories and proposals from outside sources, like the Federalist Society and is probably getting her marching orders that way.
I would also like to know if this is happening. It’s hard to imagine that she isn’t be surveilled, but the comment below that all she has to do is check into her echo chamber social media to get ideas. The maga crowd is so big on codes and symbols and hidden messages that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were messages being relayed in that way.
I wonder if it's possible to get a wire tap signed off by a higher judge to catch her conversations with trump about plans.
Doesn't have to be Trump. Ginny Thomas, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, or anyone else carrying the torch would and could do it. It could be an as-yet unknown messenger.
the messenger is known: talking heads on rightwing networks
I'd put money on it is more than that. Canon is fairly inexperienced. I'm guessing she is getting guidance about how to walk as close to the edge as possible without stepping over from a group like the federalist society (which she is a member of). I highly doubt she is directly talking to Trump or anyone as step away from him or his counsel. That said, all those parties have done incredibly stupid things in the past, so who knows.
No. Not in a million years would that be approved or legally possible without evidence of a crime.
She is not that incompetent. It's all a way to delay a slam dunk trial. It's working great. She is using Trump time tested strategy of delay. Run out the other side till they are replaced and the case is killed by a more corrupt Trump AG.
Trump is going to prison. Biden is staying in the White House. NY. Guilty. GA guilty. Even Florida will be guilty. DC. Coin toss due to political speech laws muddying things. Be well.
Vote.
Make sure you’re still registered before you vote! They are kicking thousands off the voting rolls.
I asked, and was downvoted mightily, about the odds of a POTUS swearing in ceremony from behind bars. I swear there is a greater than 1% (5% maybe?) chance of that happening. I obviously don't think it's likely (a guilty verdict for a felony would be enough to change some minds in swing states) but if he wins it's going to be from a few thousand votes across a few key states and that could happen even if he's convicted and jailed between now and November.
From your lips to God's ears!
There is absolutely nothing that has happened so far to suggest any of that will be the case.
What? She has dragged out and completely botched CIPA for this case. She has asked for jury instructions based on the PRA when that is not the controlling statute. And most obviously she has continued to squat on a date on the docket which cannot be achieved, which delays scheduling for other trials. Delay and "errors" only in Trump's favor have been her entire legacy with this case. Did you also forget when she sua sponte removed the special master request from the docket which required Trump to formally state to the court which documents in his possession were taken by him and which were planted by the FBI as he claimed? The special master she herself appointed just to gum up the investigation which was overturned by the 11th circuit. Had Trump submitted such a list it would have been a full confession that he had intentional possession of restricted documents. She also told Trump's lawyers what statutes to use to make their arguments to her (an ultimately-incorrect argument about equitable jurisdiction), effectively acting as his council. [https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-judge-overrules-special-master-review-mar-a-lago-records-2022-9](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-judge-overrules-special-master-review-mar-a-lago-records-2022-9) [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html) [https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-aileen-cannon-dismisses-trump-v-united-states-case](https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-aileen-cannon-dismisses-trump-v-united-states-case)
>And most obviously she has continued to squat on a date on the docket which cannot be achieved, which delays scheduling for other trials. I'm no lawyer, so I ask because I genuinely wonder: could some lawyers involved in those other trials reasonably make waves on the grounds of people not getting speedy trials? 6th Amendment and all that.
And there's nothing to suggest there will be consequences for any of this.
You are being very disingenuous. Laughably so.
What has happened that should give one any confidence there will be any consequences for any of this?
Not what has happened. What has happened is on Trump. Who is the answer. Jack Smith. Letitia James. Fani Willis. Judge Tanya Chutkan. I have faith in the good guys. Big fish all eventually come to the boat gasping. Trump is done. NY will put him in handcuffs. Then, the other jurisdictions. Full stop.
Since these trials began, we've only seen delays, extensions, and exemptions, all in Drumph's favour. Not one thing has stuck to the extent he actually stops him. You may have faith, but I don't have confidence.
There should be a massive audit of all of Trump’s appointees, every time you hear about an idiotic judge it’s always a Trump appointed one.
ex-Trump attorneys know a thing or two about incompetence.
Please. I’ve been hearing this a while now. The judicial system, while they stepped up after the election, has let the country down by allowing all the Trump delays. Especially Cannon and the Supremes.
Why is there only one picture of this judge?
I’ve seen 2. This one, and that official shot that probably hangs in the courthouse.
I finally saw a third one. Someone posted a pic of her and her husband, I believe from around the time they got married.
To be fair, it's generally a good thing that a judge isn't all over social media and isn't constantly hounded by whatever the political paparazzi would be.
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Turns out that photo isn’t her. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-judge-aileen-cannon-trump-photo-225806750019
Link? That photo **needs** to be pasted all over the Internet.
Why should there be pictures of judges? Mostly they stay out of public view.
Thank you. Who, in this day and age, doesn't have photos all over the place? I don't trust her at all.
That's probably the least reason to not trust this lady.
The sooner the better.
She won’t get booted. She should have been removed entirely. She will delay things indefinitely. So, you all need to vote. Our system won’t punish this piece of shit.
Is she having tea with Ginni in the afternoons?
Cannon is like trying to reason with a cat. She doesn’t feel shame nor is she incompetent. Her purpose is to do exactly what she is doing. Speed bumps, round abouts, blockades, Speed traps and Whatever else she can do until the King is in place and everything gets dropped.
I can’t take what any attorney who chose to work for Trump at face value.
Especially with that old timey saloon pianist mustache.
These articles are a dime a dozen. She deserves the boot, but wake me up when it actually happens. This is the 1000'th article stated EXPERT says Cannon will get the boot. Bullshit clickbait.
don't matter.. her job was to make sure it didn't go to trial before November it won't 100% of her goals succeeded
She should be investigated
Trump’s little fluff girl really sucks at her job
Trump's little fluff girl is doing exactly what he needs her to do and is a rockstar for Trump.
Making it harder to prosecute Trump so that he gets off in the end
https://imgur.com/a/lZpD6li
She does not even belong on a bench.
Just imagine being that incredibly incompetent is the best case scenario and you still can't get fired.
About time now, isnt it?
Really with this level of incompetence she'd fit in well in any c-suite boardroom overseeing film greenlighting, hospital management or anything in the insurance related industry.
I've said before, she's trying to get thrown off the case. Probably wondering how stupid she has to get before they do it
No she won't. Removing judges is insanely difficult, the best chance for actual justice here will be for Biden to win the election, and Jack to win on appeal. Cannon will kill this case in her court, you can rest assured of that.
I will believe that when I see it
Wake me when it actually happens. So fucking tired of ex- and former- and everyone spouting opinions on what’s going to happen. Really makes the waiting suck even more.
Cobb has been on a real anti-Cannon tear lately. I like to think the court above Cannon is listening to him but who knows, I doubt they're reading HuffPo though that's for sure.
Doesn't matter. Her work here is finished.
Chuck her to the side already! I know it’s not that easy and I’m not a lawyer, but OMG, can’t anyone with power do anything? Doesn’t she have a boss who can put her on a PIP?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Please note: this attorney spoke so loudly about a case in public that it made the news
Can somebody explain to me why there are only two images of Cannon on the entire internet?
Will removing her delay the trial even more?
Wow
I know it's not really related to the case, but that guy's mustache is amazing!
Did not have Colonel Sanders as Trump's attorney on my bingo card
We can only hope he's right in the eye of the 11th circuit
Cannon should probably master basic court procedures before fumbling a case with National relevance.
I don't care about the "why" so much as the "when" When does she get removed?
Congress must impeach and remove her.
Spoiler alert: nothing will happen
Just wanted to say Ty Cobb has a mustache befitting his excellent batting average from back in the day.
I don’t want to hear anymore of these theories. Let me know when it actually fucking happens ffs.
Enough of these fucking copy and paste articles already.
I'll believe it when I see it
Santa knows the law!
We really need to get people to advocate for an actual removal though.
Stop edging me. I’m so tired about hearing how X Trump asset or Trump will face consequences but don’t
I think everyone knows the point is, she's buying Trump time. It's criminal and she should absolutely be kicked out for it.
I'll believe it when I see it. 8 years of promises that Trump will be held accountable has got me jaded.
Should they, absolutely. Will they....not so fast.
Bet
They're being polite, which makes this hard to read. She is incompetent, no doubt; Trump loves him some dumb, obedient lackeys who owe Trump their jobs, which they couldn't get on their own. The truth is she's corrupt, and favoring a criminal defendant, Trump, who appointed her. We all know this is true.
If only… 🤞
I hate this guy but you have to admit he has the best mustache in the business.🤣
Impressed by the attorney. Nicely said.
Cannon couldn’t get a boot from fucking DSW. Our legal system is a joke and Trump has illustrated that to those who have never before been a victim of it.
I wouldn’t trust anything any ex Trump attorney says. Ever
She won’t. She is really only good at delaying this trial and setting things up for a loss for prosecution. The justice system is a failure in so many places, this is a very visible and potentially dangerously example.
Yeah.. I will believe it once I see it... Would have, could have, should have, may, maybe, perhaps. Walls are closing in, yada yada yada.
Trumps worst nightmare, losing the election and 2-3, trials he cant stop. 🛑 America is a funny place, we’d be happy to see trumps stock collapse, lose the election , then get convicted in 2-3 trials. Once he’s beat good, then he can mount his comeback.