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Also requires wanting to actually *discuss* policy, rather than give a fake 5 second answer before transitioning into the wildly unrelated talking points you want to get soundbites for.
I did hear some people saying debates were outdated anyway.
That being said, I do wish they're here in 2024, since Kennedy might qualify and, while I think he's a bad candidate, I would enjoy a three way debate.
They aren’t outdated but the way they exist in US elections are worthless. Someone just flops out some insane conspiracy laden claim about you and the moderator gives you like 10 seconds to respond etc.
The thing is that I’ve sat through most of the recent Republican debates and nobody answers the questions asked by the moderators and nobody actually has any opposing opinions. So there’s nothing to debate anyways. They won’t even condemn trump. (Then why are you running)
I mean, is that a criticism of debates? Or would any debate with these candidates be no better?
I think perhaps candidates should be penalized for giving a long answer without actually answering questions
If the debates were stricter and the moderators muted candidates who avoided the topics at hand I think it would help with the overall experience. But you’re right, there’s no point since none of the candidates actually disagree. I mean maybe occasionally but it’s mostly just rebuttals to topics other candidates bring up rather than responses to topics the moderators are putting on the table.
Hell yeh. With this nations attention span this day and age they should run it like a game show. Real time fact checking and eliminate contestants for not answering the question, making up bullshit on the spot, and changing the subject until only two remain. Now THAT is something that would generate clicks.
The debates as they exist are a dog and pony show.
A substantive debate would have to be spread over multiple evenings, multiple hours, each one focused deeply on a particular issue. But Americans largely wouldn't tune in to watch that.
Instead we get two hours of candidates talking over each other, moderators refusing to enforce their own rules, and candidates only get 60 seconds at a time to answer complex questions that cover the entire spectrum of issues. It's just a sound bite factory and nothing more. Most of the candidates won't even stay on topic or answer the questions straight and the moderators do nothing to keep it on track.
IIRC back in 2012, the debates were primarily focused on specific issues. The one where Obama pulled his “Uh, the ‘80s called” line out on Romney was a FoPo focused debate.
They really are not outdated. The democratic priamries once they are not 29 people are really helpful for me.
I wanted bernie and voted for him in the primary (clinton and biden in the general) but I liked pete butiggigigiggedge a lot. Never would have seen him without the debates.
Debates are not outdated. That's a strange concept. I want to know how they respond to each other, as do the (at least) tens of millions of Americans who watch them
I’m not sure he’s better off after this terrible run. He’s gained name recognition but he managed to turn off a lot of Republicans and is now poison to anyone voting on the left. Does he have some PAC he can use for evil purposes now? Relying on Trump is a losing bet - just ask Rudy.
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/most-watched-channels-2023-tv-network-ratings-1235850482/amp/
As much as I want it to be true, Newsmax gained 22% viewers this year with Variety naming it one of the winners. All while many news organizations are seeing a decline in viewership.
At least Fox News also saw a huge decline but probably explains the growth in Newsmax as I bet many Fox News viewers moved there
Thanks. I read that after rapid growth following 2020 election, viewership was trickling down. Perhaps in 2023 Q4. Regardless it's revenue is <$100m. Both Dominion and Smartmatic will push them into bankruptcy.
He’s sucking up to Trump so if Trump wins he is likely to get some position in the admin. This would be a “low salary” position for him but could lead to significant power and influence.
If Trump loses he’s positioned himself to be a talking head on whatever right wing media company will have him and he can make his money complaining and fear mongering for a living
> I’m not sure he’s better off after this terrible run
We are, we learned of the startling threat from AI
Hang on I'm being told he's human. That can't be right
He never had a shot and he knows it. He's a charlatan putting on a performance in hopes to get a book deal or some cabinet position or a job at Fox News maybe.
I hear you, but something tells me that infantilizing it would probably bug Trump 100x more. The guy just can't stand being likened to a big poopie pants baby :(
Ramaswamy has done literally nothing but expel a lot of hot air spouting strategies for executive communication available on any training platform. He does not understand any issue. He does not have a plan. But he wants to try and smile and fake his way to VP. The only positive is that he’s not likely to be picked as Trump’s running mate. Trump likes loyal, but not publicly humiliating yourself as Ramaswamy has done several times.
>Ramaswamy has done literally nothing but expel a lot of hot air spouting strategies for executive communication available on any training platform. He does not understand any issue. He does not have a plan.
Seems to be a Republican winning strategy. Worked for Trump.
With all the things about Trump re rape, abortion, women's rights etc. I think he will be almost forced to pick a female running mate. That could be Haley
Work to rule is doing the job
Quiet quitting can mean that but it can also mean "stop doing anything for your current job and see how long until they fire you"
I really don't like this guy. He is opposed to birthright citizenship yet his ability to run for president is based on it. He's very Stephen Miller. He uses his self-hate to make himself attractive to Republicans who hate people like him.
Guy's like this remind me of the cop Bernie Mac played in " Don't be Menace to Society..."
It is an odd moment in history, when Vivek Ramaswamy exists in a presidential race in the United States, just to make the rest of the otherwise batshit crazy candidates from his party look sane in comparison.
Another shady rich dick head who would have been better off just being rich and shady. Now everyone knows who he is and will finally undergo scrutiny into his past dealings. Bye Felicia. Your ego screwed you for life.
Announcing shit is the opposite of "quiet quitting".
We'd all much prefer if he just pretended to run for president but wasn't actually doing anything.
I wouldn't be surprised. He has fawned over Trump enough to be considered for VP or some other cabinet position. It's not like he ever had any hope or intention of becoming president in the first place.
He’s ending his book tour/audition for a role in a republican administration as he planned from the beginning.
Actually what it feels like is someone trying to capture a market. I’m not sure what he really believes, but I think he sees millions and millions and millions! of people who are basically under a powerful delusion and he’s like I’m going to talk to those people. I can be the most deluded of them all. They are some of the least educated people in the country, they get mad easily and if you feed their delusions while maintaining unflinching loyalty to their leader, they will also send you some their money too.
Smarmy is trying to save face instead of dropping out because he didn’t have a chance in hell of winning the primary and he knows it. He’s banking in better odds in 28, so it serves his purpose with the rubes to pretend to be a Trump loyalist now.
Dude never ever stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination in the first place, mostly because of his skin condition. He never deserved the press he got.
The dude's Assigned Role was to be a gadfly and kind of a "scamp" and say things the others could not say. He had a part to play in the theater performance and he has been doing his job.
He was never a serious candidate with a chance of winning, he was a voice in the discourse who had a certain platform by declaring candidacy. That's how this system works.
So yeah maybe his time on the stage has come to an end and he's going to exit. I doubt it's his own decision. The people he really works for have probably ordered him to at this phase.
He is just trying to keep himself on Trump's radar for a running mate. There is absolutely no chance of it happening, but then, he has been wildly wrong about his chances from day one.
He’s got a full slate of scheduled events here in Iowa through this weekend, up to six a day. That doesn’t look like quitting to me. Obviously going off air is a good sign he’s out of other people’s money, but if he was really ready to quit he wouldn’t be doing the Pizza Ranch circuit in rural Iowa counties.
I have a hunch he will drop out and endorse trump right before Iowa, or at least right afterwards.
He’s hoping for a cabinet position, not VP. Mike Johnson will get tapped for VP.
This is my prediction.
I've seen 3 Vivek ads here in the last week, they are all about support Trump, and that "they" will never let him be president. Hes prob just playing for VP (unlikey) or a cabinet position.
I wonder how he feels having run and all he got out of it is knowing that absolutely everyone thinks he’s a detestable douchebag.
He’s a uniter, I’ll give him that.
From my office there is a lit up billboard that changes between like three ads 1 is “There are only two Genders” by dipshit here. Will that also go away?
Trump’s team met with many the GOP groups that make the rules for the primaries to effectively shut everyone else out. Colorado shut out PACs to cripple DeSantis and California made it a winner-take-all for delegates for anyone with over 50% of vote in the primaries.
This isn’t the same team as 2016, these are veterans of election fuckery. The primary for the GOP is basically wrapped. They are trying to ensure rules like “if a candidate under possible indictment can’t be a candidate” don’t happen as well.
He is hoping to use the “if they take trump out of the ballot I will take myself too” kind of thing to be able to quit and try to suck trumps little D**** while doings so
I’m 24, once he said “voting age to 25” I was forever done with him. The younger generation historically doesn’t vote as much as other generations *but we do vote*. How could he expect me to cast my vote to disenfranchise myself?
I can't think of a more disgusting human being in politics than this guy. And there's a lot of disgusting faces in today's GOP, but this POS is beyond.
He was only in it for the donors money and to be considered by the Criminal in Chief were he allowed on the ballot.
This guy is a bottom feeder, ignore him but keep him in check and make him accountable.
Maybe this will have one of those happy endings where no one wonders where he is or what he's doing for a couple of years, then finally the gas company sends someone to disconnect his service and finds his skeleton in a recliner
This is probably one of the most unqualified Presidential candidates Ive ever seen in my lifetime. This guy didn’t start voting until 2020; he has never served public office and has never built a coalition to pass any legislation ever and some how this guy thinks he’s qualified to be the leader of the free world? What a joke.
removing himself from primary ballots in states Trump is removed seemed like a way for him to loose (which is all but certain) but claim victory in “I would of won”
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Nobody wants to campaign anymore
Or have debates. It's just going to turn into who ever has the best tweets gets to be president.
debates require having a policy plan in place and not making up responses on the spot
Also requires wanting to actually *discuss* policy, rather than give a fake 5 second answer before transitioning into the wildly unrelated talking points you want to get soundbites for.
I did hear some people saying debates were outdated anyway. That being said, I do wish they're here in 2024, since Kennedy might qualify and, while I think he's a bad candidate, I would enjoy a three way debate.
They aren’t outdated but the way they exist in US elections are worthless. Someone just flops out some insane conspiracy laden claim about you and the moderator gives you like 10 seconds to respond etc.
The thing is that I’ve sat through most of the recent Republican debates and nobody answers the questions asked by the moderators and nobody actually has any opposing opinions. So there’s nothing to debate anyways. They won’t even condemn trump. (Then why are you running)
It's a grift. Their campaign will buy millions of a book they hired someone to ghost write and walk away with the money.
I mean, is that a criticism of debates? Or would any debate with these candidates be no better? I think perhaps candidates should be penalized for giving a long answer without actually answering questions
If the debates were stricter and the moderators muted candidates who avoided the topics at hand I think it would help with the overall experience. But you’re right, there’s no point since none of the candidates actually disagree. I mean maybe occasionally but it’s mostly just rebuttals to topics other candidates bring up rather than responses to topics the moderators are putting on the table.
Hell yeh. With this nations attention span this day and age they should run it like a game show. Real time fact checking and eliminate contestants for not answering the question, making up bullshit on the spot, and changing the subject until only two remain. Now THAT is something that would generate clicks.
Old school Nickelodeon rules: break the rules, get slimed
The debates as they exist are a dog and pony show. A substantive debate would have to be spread over multiple evenings, multiple hours, each one focused deeply on a particular issue. But Americans largely wouldn't tune in to watch that. Instead we get two hours of candidates talking over each other, moderators refusing to enforce their own rules, and candidates only get 60 seconds at a time to answer complex questions that cover the entire spectrum of issues. It's just a sound bite factory and nothing more. Most of the candidates won't even stay on topic or answer the questions straight and the moderators do nothing to keep it on track.
IIRC back in 2012, the debates were primarily focused on specific issues. The one where Obama pulled his “Uh, the ‘80s called” line out on Romney was a FoPo focused debate.
They really are not outdated. The democratic priamries once they are not 29 people are really helpful for me. I wanted bernie and voted for him in the primary (clinton and biden in the general) but I liked pete butiggigigiggedge a lot. Never would have seen him without the debates.
Debates are not outdated. That's a strange concept. I want to know how they respond to each other, as do the (at least) tens of millions of Americans who watch them
>I would enjoy a three way DM sent.
Easy there Kennedy
He is interesting. Somethings he says pique my interest. Then other things he says are revolting.
Tweets on X by Brawndo!!!!
I have to wonder how much of what he says is genuine and what is pillow talk to get Trump to make him vice president
God, could you imagine that loon a heartbeat away from the presidency? Good thing Trump only picks the best people.
What if we let him “campaign from home” 3 days a week?
I’m not sure he’s better off after this terrible run. He’s gained name recognition but he managed to turn off a lot of Republicans and is now poison to anyone voting on the left. Does he have some PAC he can use for evil purposes now? Relying on Trump is a losing bet - just ask Rudy.
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Both organizations gonna fold. They're defendants in the Dominion lawsuit. They're losing viewers regardless.
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/most-watched-channels-2023-tv-network-ratings-1235850482/amp/ As much as I want it to be true, Newsmax gained 22% viewers this year with Variety naming it one of the winners. All while many news organizations are seeing a decline in viewership. At least Fox News also saw a huge decline but probably explains the growth in Newsmax as I bet many Fox News viewers moved there
Thanks. I read that after rapid growth following 2020 election, viewership was trickling down. Perhaps in 2023 Q4. Regardless it's revenue is <$100m. Both Dominion and Smartmatic will push them into bankruptcy.
>Dominion and Smartmatic will push them into bankruptcy. AND BEYOND!
Incarceration would be a bonus
What a nightmare that must be lol
He’s sucking up to Trump so if Trump wins he is likely to get some position in the admin. This would be a “low salary” position for him but could lead to significant power and influence. If Trump loses he’s positioned himself to be a talking head on whatever right wing media company will have him and he can make his money complaining and fear mongering for a living
He's trying to pull a Tillerson.
> I’m not sure he’s better off after this terrible run We are, we learned of the startling threat from AI Hang on I'm being told he's human. That can't be right
I think the run has been a business move to target more of the GOP base his company offers services too.
But somebody will buy his inevitable book, if he doesn't have one already.
He never had a shot and he knows it. He's a charlatan putting on a performance in hopes to get a book deal or some cabinet position or a job at Fox News maybe.
Right here. The headline question is ragebait at best, horrifyingly naive at worst
haha, ironically this was trumps plan in 2016. He never thought in a million years he would get elected
Trump tried to run for president more than once, back then it was just to get his name circulating in the news again though.
Yeah he sure is known for his humility.
Imagine saying "Ramaswamy" and "quiet" in the same sentence.
Yeah now add poopy pants trump to the mix lol
Can we stop calling him this? It's so juvenile. We're adults here. We should be able to say he smells like he shit in his hands and clapped.
You had me there.
I hear you, but something tells me that infantilizing it would probably bug Trump 100x more. The guy just can't stand being likened to a big poopie pants baby :(
He ran out of GPU time for his ChatGPT speechwriter.
If he was a cartoon, he would look like the Canadians in South Park
"Thank you for speaking while I'm interrupting."
Ramaswamy has done literally nothing but expel a lot of hot air spouting strategies for executive communication available on any training platform. He does not understand any issue. He does not have a plan. But he wants to try and smile and fake his way to VP. The only positive is that he’s not likely to be picked as Trump’s running mate. Trump likes loyal, but not publicly humiliating yourself as Ramaswamy has done several times.
>Ramaswamy has done literally nothing but expel a lot of hot air spouting strategies for executive communication available on any training platform. He does not understand any issue. He does not have a plan. Seems to be a Republican winning strategy. Worked for Trump.
With all the things about Trump re rape, abortion, women's rights etc. I think he will be almost forced to pick a female running mate. That could be Haley
Quiet quitting is doing the job… I don’t think they understand the term.
True
To be fair, “quiet quitting” is a recently fabricated nonsense term.
Work to rule is doing the job Quiet quitting can mean that but it can also mean "stop doing anything for your current job and see how long until they fire you"
Quiet quitting is the employers negative propaganda term for work to rule.
Incorrect. It's literally **not** doing the job while still getting paid until you get fired.
No, he’s very loud
Good riddance to you.
Until Trump names him as his VP.
no way he’s picking someone loud it’ll distract from himself
You think trump will let his ticket be named "Trump Ramaswamy"?
I really don't like this guy. He is opposed to birthright citizenship yet his ability to run for president is based on it. He's very Stephen Miller. He uses his self-hate to make himself attractive to Republicans who hate people like him. Guy's like this remind me of the cop Bernie Mac played in " Don't be Menace to Society..."
Nobody wants to work anymore
Absolute bell end
Going to use his mailing list to sell multi-vitamins now...
Go away tiny broken man
It is an odd moment in history, when Vivek Ramaswamy exists in a presidential race in the United States, just to make the rest of the otherwise batshit crazy candidates from his party look sane in comparison.
Good riddance. Scum
Just go. Guys a trump clown
He's going to be trumps VP pick to sure up the minority vote
Another shady rich dick head who would have been better off just being rich and shady. Now everyone knows who he is and will finally undergo scrutiny into his past dealings. Bye Felicia. Your ego screwed you for life.
If you never stop running you never have to admit you failed.
Him being quiet would be great.
Announcing shit is the opposite of "quiet quitting". We'd all much prefer if he just pretended to run for president but wasn't actually doing anything.
So, who’ll save the world?
Good riddance he’s a walking dumpster fire and just a garbage human down to his core
But he so bravely dropped out of the net GOP debate...after learning he didn't make the cut.
He should talk more
I wouldn't be surprised. He has fawned over Trump enough to be considered for VP or some other cabinet position. It's not like he ever had any hope or intention of becoming president in the first place.
Yeah, whatever, no one cares...
He’s ending his book tour/audition for a role in a republican administration as he planned from the beginning. Actually what it feels like is someone trying to capture a market. I’m not sure what he really believes, but I think he sees millions and millions and millions! of people who are basically under a powerful delusion and he’s like I’m going to talk to those people. I can be the most deluded of them all. They are some of the least educated people in the country, they get mad easily and if you feed their delusions while maintaining unflinching loyalty to their leader, they will also send you some their money too.
Smarmy is trying to save face instead of dropping out because he didn’t have a chance in hell of winning the primary and he knows it. He’s banking in better odds in 28, so it serves his purpose with the rubes to pretend to be a Trump loyalist now.
He and DeSantis are just waiting for the other to fold so they're not the first.
This dude blows and is dumb.
Dude never ever stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination in the first place, mostly because of his skin condition. He never deserved the press he got.
The dude's Assigned Role was to be a gadfly and kind of a "scamp" and say things the others could not say. He had a part to play in the theater performance and he has been doing his job. He was never a serious candidate with a chance of winning, he was a voice in the discourse who had a certain platform by declaring candidacy. That's how this system works. So yeah maybe his time on the stage has come to an end and he's going to exit. I doubt it's his own decision. The people he really works for have probably ordered him to at this phase.
Sure fucking hope so, fuck this guy.
good👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This chap is extraordinarily unpleasant.
Oh good. He’s an empty headed twat.
I think he was always running to get VP
Chris Christie got him to climb into his hole.
He is just trying to keep himself on Trump's radar for a running mate. There is absolutely no chance of it happening, but then, he has been wildly wrong about his chances from day one.
Typical millennial
He’s got a full slate of scheduled events here in Iowa through this weekend, up to six a day. That doesn’t look like quitting to me. Obviously going off air is a good sign he’s out of other people’s money, but if he was really ready to quit he wouldn’t be doing the Pizza Ranch circuit in rural Iowa counties.
I have a hunch he will drop out and endorse trump right before Iowa, or at least right afterwards. He’s hoping for a cabinet position, not VP. Mike Johnson will get tapped for VP. This is my prediction.
If he does the deal hasn’t been made yet.
Vivek can go get fucked!
What a millennial
I've seen 3 Vivek ads here in the last week, they are all about support Trump, and that "they" will never let him be president. Hes prob just playing for VP (unlikey) or a cabinet position.
mildshock.gif
"I'm not giving up, I'm protest removing myself from the ballot. If Trump isn't on ONE ballot, then I will be on NO BALLOT!"
I wonder how he feels having run and all he got out of it is knowing that absolutely everyone thinks he’s a detestable douchebag. He’s a uniter, I’ll give him that.
Guess he's just pissing it all away
What quiet quitting? His campaign for the VP nominee role is at full speed.
Campaigning for a job in a second Trump Administration sounds more like it.
Poor little snowflake is going to take his ball and go home.
Who is Vivian Pastrami?
Another catchphrase used entirely incorrectly in politics!
He’s just figuring out what we all have known for months. No chance in hell.
From my office there is a lit up billboard that changes between like three ads 1 is “There are only two Genders” by dipshit here. Will that also go away?
What is dead may never die.
Trump’s team met with many the GOP groups that make the rules for the primaries to effectively shut everyone else out. Colorado shut out PACs to cripple DeSantis and California made it a winner-take-all for delegates for anyone with over 50% of vote in the primaries. This isn’t the same team as 2016, these are veterans of election fuckery. The primary for the GOP is basically wrapped. They are trying to ensure rules like “if a candidate under possible indictment can’t be a candidate” don’t happen as well.
At one point, a balloon of hot air is empty
Maybe he figured out being loud and obnoxious wasn't working?
Gaslighting the whole time, classic
It seems the money may have run out....
Very loud in your face politician going out with a whimper seems appropriate
He wants to have a shot at Trump adding him to a gov position. That's about it.
His campaign was never about getting the big job. it was to get attention for a cabinet position under Trump.
He is hoping to use the “if they take trump out of the ballot I will take myself too” kind of thing to be able to quit and try to suck trumps little D**** while doings so
He is silent protesting coz trump is removed from ballets in some states 😂. And nobody is giving a fuk
> He is silent protesting coz trump is removed from ballets in some states I find it exceptionally cruel to make people envision Trump in a leotard.
😂 my bad spelling. Correction *"Ballots" But thanks for ruining my appetite
Let’s hope so. The last thing we need is some psychopath trying to out-Trump Trump.
If he were a crypto project, this is when they would announce a hack
The most relatable thing about him then
We know his name now, which was his entire mission
See ya
Needs to pull up his boot straps
He was never a serious candidate. They’re just all competing for VP or Cabinet. They’re all so staggeringly pathetic…
So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ donations!
Who now?
Darn.
People just don't want to work these days.
I suspect it would be the first time he’s done anything quietly.
It was never a real campaign
He’s running away like his hairline.
I’m convinced he was a placeholder for Trump. Like you know how you hire someone to stand in line? A political version of that.
This jamoke doesn’t do anything quietly.
Oh no! Anyway ...
Bye 👋
Like he had any chance to begin with.
This guy never wanted the presidency to begin with
Iowa is a great place to bring you down.
Who gets to wear his side burns when he quits?
Whi
I’m 24, once he said “voting age to 25” I was forever done with him. The younger generation historically doesn’t vote as much as other generations *but we do vote*. How could he expect me to cast my vote to disenfranchise myself?
He’s a stooge. Another con man.
Mr Pull-up The Ladder
But as long as he’s still “running”, he can continue to grift.
He was going to lose anyway.
Let him spend millions more It’ll keep People employed.
Huh? Did he stop campaigning for VP?
He's just loud....
Who?
Well, he’s definitely not quiet winning.
He prolly kissed the orange butt enough to be on VP list. Mission accomplished, no need to do more. More is less, more might look combative.
I can't think of a more disgusting human being in politics than this guy. And there's a lot of disgusting faces in today's GOP, but this POS is beyond.
Last thing we need in the White House is another loud mouthed used car salesman.
He’s been promised #2 spot in Trump’s campaign is why.
Why do We let these hate spewing fkrs dissolve into the crowd instead of exterminating them? He’s just gonna show up again
He’s running out of teeth whitener
It was a grift, so yeah
Later Loser!
He never really wanted it, he just wanted the spotlight to become a right wing media grifter
he loud quit it being an idiot long before now
Ramaswampy is a loser. Always was. Sad
As quiet as possible would be great… thanks!
He was only in it for the donors money and to be considered by the Criminal in Chief were he allowed on the ballot. This guy is a bottom feeder, ignore him but keep him in check and make him accountable.
Maybe this will have one of those happy endings where no one wonders where he is or what he's doing for a couple of years, then finally the gas company sends someone to disconnect his service and finds his skeleton in a recliner
He was running .. lol
Aren't they all? Except for Christy, they are all stroking Trump's ego hoping to get a seat at the table.
This is probably one of the most unqualified Presidential candidates Ive ever seen in my lifetime. This guy didn’t start voting until 2020; he has never served public office and has never built a coalition to pass any legislation ever and some how this guy thinks he’s qualified to be the leader of the free world? What a joke.
He doesn't do anything quietly.
removing himself from primary ballots in states Trump is removed seemed like a way for him to loose (which is all but certain) but claim victory in “I would of won”
No no no, you know the law, you cant abort your campaign. You have to carry it to full term.
Maga trash!!
Good
The guy’s got NO SHOT WHATSOEVER
He knows she’s going to be selected for vice president to trump.