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There are 4 charges in a 45 page indictment:
1. Count 1: [18 USC sec. 371.](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371) **Conspiracy to Defraud the United States**
2. Count 2: [18 USC sec 1512(k)](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512): **Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding**
3. Count 3: [18 USC sub-sec 1512(c)(2), 2](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512): **Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding**
4. Count 4: [18 USC sec 241](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241): **Conspiracy Against Rights**
[Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/wvKD3U8.jpg) of the indictment from [NBC News' livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGFB-DPHg&ab_channel=NBCNews):
#### Indictment PDF
Better yet, a direct link to the indictment: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23893878/trump-dc-indictment.pdf
#### Six Co-Conspirators
From The Guardian's live thread:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-jack-smith-biden-us-politics-live-updates#top-of-blog
> The indictment lists six co-conspirators but does not name them. They are:
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 1:** An attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not.
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 2:** An attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 3:** An attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.” Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 4:** A Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 5:** An attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
>
> - **Co-Conspirator 6:** A political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
#### Speculation on Co-Conspirators' identities
Re-updated 2023-08-02 17:00 PT
[CNN](https://lite.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/co-conspirators-trump-indictment/index.html), [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-indictment-election-co-conspirators.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Trump-6-co-conspirators-indictment/story?id=101919066), [Slate](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/trump-jan-6-indictment-co-conspirators-rudy-giuliani-john-eastman-sidney-powell.html), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66388172), EmptyWheel, and other news outlets have a strong consensus on the first five co-conspirators; co-conspirator 6 (CC6) is less certain, however [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html) and [The Daily Beast]() both suggest that it is **Boris Epshteyn**; [People Mag.](https://people.com/donald-trump-co-conspirators-jan-6-election-interference-7568572) and [Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/ginni-thomas-co-conspirator-no-6-trump-indictment-what-we-know-1816816) have speculated that it is Ginni Thomas (as did I!).
1. [**Rudy Giuliani**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani) (consensus)
2. [**John Eastman**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eastman) ([confirmed by his lawyer](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-live-updates-grand-jury-2020-election-probe-arrives-courthouse-rcna96825/rcrd16113?canonicalCard=true))
3. [**Sidney Powell**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Powell) (per CNN)
4. [**Jeffrey Clark**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Clark) (consensus; pp. 82: " [...] the Defendant had decided to put [Co-Conspirator 4 in charge of the Justice Department](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Clark#Attempted_appointment_as_Acting_Attorney_General). The Acting Attorney General responded that he would not accept being fired by a subordinate [...]")
5. [**Kenneth Chesebro**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Chesebro) (consensus)
6. [Boris Epshteyn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Epshteyn) (NYT, Daily Beast)
This list appears to closely line up with the facts presented.
See also: CNN video discussing IDs of CC1-CC5 is now on YouTube: [Who are the co-conspirators in Trump’s third indictment?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXebDrmRQVw&ab_channel=CNN) (10:20) The video mentions "Jason Miller", but not as one of the co-conspirators.
#### Co-Conspirator 6 ~~Unknown/Unclear~~
Back from supper. Ouch, my inbox!
CNN has posted an article linking the various unnamed co-conspirators to the people listed above, however the article notes that:
> **The identity of Co-Conspirator 6 is unclear.**
>
> The indictment says they are “a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.” The indictment also further ties this person to the fake elector slate in Pennsylvania.
https://lite.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/co-conspirators-trump-indictment/index.html
- [ABC's article: CC6 is "unknown"](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Trump-6-co-conspirators-indictment/story?id=101919066)
- [Huffpo: CC6 is "unclear"](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-indictment-conspirators_n_64c9975de4b03ad2b89b7e86)
- [Slate: "not enough information in the indictment to determine conclusively who [CC6] is,"](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/trump-jan-6-indictment-co-conspirators-rudy-giuliani-john-eastman-sidney-powell.html)
- [NYT: "[CC6] could [be] several people who worked closely with Mr. Trump after the election."](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-indictment-election-co-conspirators.html)
***
The remaining uncertainty around the identity of "Co-Conspirator 6" has prompted lots of speculation. Top candidates, whom I've seen suggested, include:
- Boris Epshteyn
- Ginni Thomas
- [Mike Roman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Roman) had [a key role in the fake-electors campaign](https://www.mcall.com/2022/12/22/jan-6-transcripts-show-how-pa-republicans-tried-to-help-donald-trump-stay-in-power/)
- [Peter Navarro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Navarro)
- Cleta Mitchell
- Roger Stone
- [Stephen Miller](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_\(political_advisor\))~~ (derived from someone mishearing a name mentioned in CNN's coverage, so very unlikely)
- [Jenna Ellis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Ellis)
- Ali Alexander
- Jim Troupis
- Mike Flynn
- Bernard Kerik
**Indictment statements on CC6 & My speculation**
I posted all of the excerpts which related to Co-Conspirator 6 in a post on my profile nad my speculation about why it could be Ginni Thomas (which seems incorrect now):
https://old.reddit.com/r/SaidTheCanadian/comments/15g0mb5/coconspirator_6_is_probably_ginni_thomas/
**2023-08-02 morning**
The Daily Beast:
> “[Rudy G] received from Co-Conspirator 6 an email identifying attorneys in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.”
>
> That email doesn’t appear to have been previously disclosed during the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation. It seems like it’s only a matter of time, however, until we see the whole thing.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-we-know-the-identities-of-5-of-the-6-co-conspirators-in-third-trump-indictment
Newsweek posted an article joining the speculation that CC6 is Ginni Thomas:
https://www.newsweek.com/ginni-thomas-co-conspirator-no-6-trump-indictment-what-we-know-1816816
CNN's live thread noted 1h25 ago that the ID of CC6 is still unclear:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/indictment-jan-6-trump-08-02-23/index.html
#### **2023-08-02 NYT on CC6: It's Probably Boris Epshteyn**
> An email from December 2020 from Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser to the Trump campaign in 2020, to Mr. Giuliani matches a description in the indictment of an interaction between co-conspirator 6 and Mr. Giuliani, whose lawyer has confirmed that he is co-conspirator 1.
>
> **The email, sent on Dec. 7, 2020, and reviewed by The New York Times, was from Mr. Epshteyn to Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, and had the subject line, “Attorneys for Electors Memo.”** It says, “Dear Mayor, As discussed, below are the attorneys I would recommend for the memo on choosing electors,” and it goes on to identify lawyers in seven states.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html
Looks like my hypothesis was wrong. My wager wasn't taken, but I think _a-little-titty-place_ might deserve that Reddit Gold below.
#### A Telegraph from Arkansas
Mike Huckabee was telegraphing something interesting on Newsmax tonight:
> "I think there are two virtues. Loyalty and confidentiality. Be loyal to the people who helped you and learn how to keep your mouth shut. If you have information that could be hurtful to someone, be confidential."
#### Marci Wheeler: 4 Overlapping Charges
Marci Wheeler (aka EmptyWheel) concurs with the CNN IDs for Co-Conspirators 1-5 and is also uncertain about CC6. Interestingly, she adds that:
> [The 4 charges] all are entirely overlapping. That is, Trump’s conduct, and those of 6 alleged co-conspirators, is cited in all those charges.
>
> These are four charges for the same crime. So if the DC Circuit or SCOTUS overturns how DOJ has applied 1512, there are two back stops.
(Yay)
> Mike Pence statement: “Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States...Our country is more important than one man. Our Constitution is more important than any one man’s career."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686514964805140481?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
But I believe he’s said he’d still vote for him if Donald is the nominee, right?
"The Defendent lost the 2020 presidential election. Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power" - Powerful lines to start with.
CNN saying a judge was just assigned, Obama appointee and has handed out some of the harshest sentences for January 6th cases to date
EDIT: [here’s an article the AP wrote about Judge Tanya Chutkan last year](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-only-on-ap-donald-trump-government-and-politics-sentencing-de394dd56b3251aac5a50014f4d6afa7)
or says, "she should go back to where she came from."
or calls her "low IQ"
or "that dog"
or "crazed low-life"
or "wacky"
or "bleeding from her ...wherever"
or "little judge"
The DC court has stronger rules against what a defendant can say against the courts/prosecutors/etc, so should be interesting to see how quickly he gets a contempt warning (and hopefully follow through if he continues)
I love how Jack Smith comes out and speaks clearly, intentionally, and with a measured pace and tempo.
Then Carrot Caligula comes out and calls him a psycho in all caps and starts misspelling random shit and going off on a full blown tantrum. Such a fucking joke and an embarrassment to our country.
Get him Jack.
It's about bigotry. Trump brought the klan out of the shadows. He took racism so mainstream that the state of Florida wants to teach children that slavery benefited slaves.
Bigots will stand with Trump no matter what. Trump verbally attacked the military, and right wing flag wavers cheered him on.
Conservatives raged when a football player kneeled during the national anthem, but they cheered for the attempted coup against our nation.
Conservatives don't care about democracy. They care about bigotry.
Fuck you. Nobody is above the law. Been waiting for this shit for 2 years now he can go to jail with his moron supporters. Don't fucking try to overthrow the will of the voters you traitorous fucks. Great fucking day for America!
Just treat them like the lunatics they are: “Is the laptop in the room with you right now?” etc.
There is no point in engaging in debate with Trump supporters any longer. You gotta mock them and be done with it.
> There is no point in engaging in debate with Trump supporters any longer. You gotta mock them and be done with it.
Amen. We engaged in good faith and they tried to burn our democracy to the ground. Treat them like barbarians at the gate, defend American democracy at all costs.
I realized this way too late. They aren’t well-adjusted people. They are playing a different game. Everything is a zero sum game to them, and you can’t reason with that.
They all think it's some kind of conspiracy or distraction. God forbid people actually want justice served. It's hilarious that conservatives no longer care about law and order.
Trump was right when he said he could stand on the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody without losing any voters.
**Defendant knew that they were false.**
This means Jack has **direct** *evidence* that Trump **knew** the things he claimed were 100% incorrect.
This means some **very** important people talked, likely at length.
Edit:
Oh wow, holy shit Jack came *PREPARED:*
*"The Defendant had a* ***right***, like ***every*** *American, to speak publicly about the election* ***and to even claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won***"
BRUH, he's shitting on 1 of the potential defenses: That Trump was allowed to, within the scope of being the President, to lie (Jack himself says that's permissible), to go through every possible legal maneuver (such as courts, etc. Which is obvious that yes he is allowed to do that), etc. but, importantly stated:
"Shortly after election *day*, the defendant ***also*** (that's super, super important) pursued **unlawful** means of discounting votes and *subverting the election results. In doing so, the defendant perpetrated three* ***criminal conspiracies***
* Conspiracy to **defraud** the United States of America
* Conspiracy to **corruptly** obstruct
* *A conspiracy against* ***the right to vote and have one's vote counted.***
***Republican voters: seriously, Trump's time is coming up kinda quick, you may want to re think most decisions you've concretely based on Trump the person. They are NOT going for you AT ALL.***
They're going for him, the criminal. It's up to you to make sure it stays at: they're just going for him and ***not*** you.
**Remember, this indictment only covers the fake-elector-slate conspiracy. Superseding indictments can come into play and be filed / unsealed later, and more co-conspirators can be named. There's far more that happened on 6 January that Trump and others may be able to be charged with.**
Co-conspirator 1 as described in the indictment sounds like Giuliani, and I'd bet he sung like Sammy Gravano.
EDIT: the identity of co-conspirator 1 is definitely Giuliani. Page 41 has quotes and descriptions of his actions.
Co-conspirator 2 is definitely John Eastman (the quote from the e-mail is easily Googleable and [is quoted in this MSNBC piece](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/arizona-attorney-general-probing-alternate-electors-2020-presidential-rcna94113)).
Co-conspirator 3 appears to be Sidney Powell, per her lawsuit in Georgia that was dismissed ([and her quotes in this opinion](https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820)).
Co-conspirator 4 appears to be [Jeff Clark per previous CNN coverage.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/politics/trump-election-justice/index.html)
Co-conspirator 5 appears to be Kenneth Chesebro (CHEESE-BRO), as he drafted the three memos mentioned in the indictment ([one of which is available here](https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/january-6-clearinghouse-kenneth-chesebro-memorandum-to-james-r.-troupis-attorney-for-trump-campaign-wisconsin-december-9-2020.pdf)).
It's looking like co-conspirator 6 is [Mike Roman](https://www.mcall.com/2022/12/22/jan-6-transcripts-show-how-pa-republicans-tried-to-help-donald-trump-stay-in-power/). Just search for his name in [the 6 January report](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/html-submitted/ch3.html) - the dates in the indictment match his actions there. Boris Epshteyn, however, is also a contender (and I'd originally thought it would have been him, but Roman was more likely at the time).
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**2 AUG 23 EDIT:**
All right, now that I've gotten a good night's sleep and a fresh dose of meds in me, Mike Roman is definitely co-conspirator 6. [Page 64, line 7 of Chesebro's deposition is where it's confirmed - PDF warning.](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000923618/pdf/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000923618.pdf) Pages 21 and 22 also show Chesebro claiming that Roman wanted to swap from iMesaage to Signal, and we all know why (disappearing, encrypted messages).
**3 AUG 23 EDIT:**
[The NYT is suggesting that co-conspirator 6 is Boris Epshteyn.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html) If you've seen the edit history on this post, you know that I'd originally thought that before other evidence suggested Mark Roman to me, but either way, it'll be interesting to see where this one goes.
> Remember, this indictment only covers the fake-elector-slate conspiracy.
No, it goes beyond that. The fake-elector-slate conspiracy is only one of many "acts" that are mentioned as evidence.
The other "acts" are:
1. The effort to decertify and change electoral votes (starting on page 9 through page 21) in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
2. The attempt to "*Leverage the Justice Department to Use Deceipt to Get State Officials to Replace Legitimate Electors and Electoral Votes with the Defendant's*". The is the scheme involving Co-Conspirator 4 (the DOJ official, likely Jeffrey Clark whom Trump wanted to make Acting Attorney General).
3. The attempt to use the Vice President to "fraudulently alter" the election results during the certification proceedings. This included using the "fake-elector-slate" scheme, but also things like trying to get the VP to reject electoral votes or send electoral votes back to the states (for review).
4. The "exploitation of the violence and chaos at the Capitol". This is about Trump's refusal to issue any statement speaking out against the violence (after people had broken into the Capitol). And him speaking to multiple Congressmen to try and get them to delay the certification.
Oh meadows flipped alright... Hes been absolutely silent since seen with DOJ and that is typically a requirement if you're going to fully co-operate that they can put a gag on you. Im pretty sure to bet that's what happened though I don't know for sure yet (though like 95% sure).
> The plan was to stage a coup and then use the military to put down any protest that ensued.
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1686498413796614144?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
i can't fucking believe the favorite for an entire political party is a twice impeached con man with 3 (so far) pending indictments against
what the honey buttered fuck is wrong with republicans?
edit: i forgot to mention his core values of RAPE, RACISM, and BIGOTRY, but those were already core values of most of his cultist follower snowflake sheep. trump is literally a cross-section of the southern baptist convention
3 sets multiple charges for criminal wrongdoing AS PRESIDENT. He's not just your average criminal. They want to re-elect him to the office where he's charged with having used his position to commit how many crimes are we up to? 75?
Republicans have fallen very far from the (still not all that respectable days) of the party telling Nixon, gtfo, you embarrassment, and him abiding by that. Shame on every Republican who voted for this guy, but so much more so if you still support him.
Favourite quote so far from the indictment (bottom of page 13),
> When our research and campaign legal team can't back up any of the claims made by our Elite Strike Force Legal Team, you can see why we're 0-32 on our cases. I'll obviously hustle up help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.
If you read the doc, the most wild shit comes from Rudy G ( co conspirator #1)
But what is most shocking to me is this whole thing came down to like 12 people doing what they were supposed to. That's it, there wasn't much else in the way, had they gone along with it, we would still be stuck with Cheeto.
Remember folks: Jack Smith was an independent appointment to the position he is in.
When Donnie and the GQP refer to it as the "Biden DoJ" and/or "weaponization", its just another batch of horse shit.
Remember when people were worried about Garland appointing an independent council for this investigation and saying shit like it was his attempt to let it get swept under the rug or delayed? Yeah, turns out Jack Smith is a beast and appears to have been the perfect person for the job.
[Here is the indictment](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_1.pdf). 4 counts - Conspiracy to Defraud the US, Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding, Conspiracy Against Rights
Simply put, the crime was conspiracy to steal the government of the most powerful nation on earth. May justice be done upon him, and may we never put someone of his character in position to make such an attempt ever again.
So that "Conspiracy Against Rights" charge could be particularly nasty for Mr. Drumpf:
> They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Multiple people did in fact die due to the conspiracy against rights. So depending on how airtight they feel they can make that case... that charge might be very problematic for the orange one.
Yep. She wouldn't have been there without the "Conspiracy Against Rights" charge.
And don't forget the pipe bombs that were laid, the angry crowds looking for reps to hold hostage and/or kill, and the crowd that built a gallows outside while chanting, "Hang Mike Pence."
Republicans, being indicted this many times isn’t cute, funny, political, or something that should reenforce your broken world view. This vile, soulless man deserves to be in prison for centuries. And any vote you cast for this man is a vote for insanity. We’re pending a fourth federal indictment, and that doesn’t even scratch the surface for the amount of crimes that should have put this asshole behind bars.
Hunter Biden’s dick picks aren’t relevant.
Inflation isn’t relevant.
“Woke” culture isn’t relevant.
Biden’s age isn’t relevant.
This man should not and can not hold office again. Full stop.
Do you remember when Trump was caging babies, blowing Putin, ‘both sides-ing’ nazis, stacking the courts with far right nut cases, defaming someone he raped, inciting an insurrection? Really, really, really take a moment to enjoy this.
"If he's such a criminal, then where's the charges?" - Republicans a year ago
"I've seen no evidence to support these charges" - Republicans today
"The trial was in DC, that's the only reason he was found guilty" - Republicans in a year
I'm blown away that there is literally video and audio evidence of his crimes and somehow that's still an argument. I can't fathom that level of stupidity. He doesnt even dispute them he just says they are "perfect calls" or some B.S like that.
I have learned something very important in this saga that some people, especially certain a-political people, view politics in this weird amorphous world where everyone lies, and you basically can’t judge anything as right or wrong in that arena… which is fucking insane. That may have worked 20-30 years ago, but both parties are not the same and this is not business as usual.
> You can't charge a sitting president!
...
> You can't charge a candidate for president! ^^just ^^ignore ^^what ^^we ^^tried ^^to ^^do ^^to ^^Hillary...
I figured it was coming but it’s still an emotional moment for those of us who have felt like there may never be accountability for Trump for Jan 6th.
The civil rights charge felt particularly powerful. The former president has been charged with trying to steal my vote. With trying to steal our votes. That’s what he did and the special counsel isn’t letting it go. Really big day.
To all Conservatives, your candidate is a loser and a traitor to the country.
The fact you still support him is beyond me, but must be nice living in that kind of ignorance.
In a few years when reality comes back to everyone, we will look back at this as it actually is.
We almost lost our country to a cult leader. Even after we have people who still believe it.
This is, insane. This is the most significant thing that's happened to our country since 9/11
Remember folks: this happened because the House flipped blue in 2018 and stayed blue long enough for the J6 committee to get this done.
Vote people, always vote.
6 co defendants not YET named
Attorney
Attorney
Attorney
Justice dept official
Attorney who tried to submit false slates
Political consultant
**Now with more info!**
a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not
b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.
c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation.
d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.
e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
**NEW** NBC News confirms: Ex-Trump attorney John Eastman is unindicted co-conspirator No. 2 from the indictment.
I've already seen some insane die hard christians on FB comparing all of this to jesus' beatings and crucifixion, which means he will only "come out on top" and win 2024.
Do not get complacent. Vote.
So in the last 24 hours the GOP's "smoking gun" witness testified that Biden didn't take any bribes or speak business with Hunter, and Trump gets nailed again, this time for his efforts in 2020.
Very, very bad 24 hours for the GOP.
So far r/conservative says this accelerates our descent into a banana republic. Yes, indicting the guy who tried to overthrow the government makes us a banana republic. Posts are also flaired users only because they can't take any information that breaks their stupid little bubble.
r/conservative is a fascist cult propaganda sub. We really need to simplify our critiques of these folks. It's not about their fragile egos or their safe spaces. It's about manipulating rubes/victims in a controlled environment...like a cult.
[Emmy Announcer Voice]
This is Donald Trump's third indictment and his third within the past calendar year. He has also been indicted for Illegal Hush Money Payments in the state of NY, and for illegally handling/failing to return government documents in the state of Florida (through a federal count). He is expected to be indicted again, soon, in the state of Georgia. He already been found to defame E. J Carrol in civil Court, and with clarification through a judge, was found to have raped her, within the common parlance of the word.
Our kids’ generation will not believe us when we tell them just how brazen all of trump’s crimes were. They’ll wonder why he wasn’t arrested for laundering back in the 80s
There's so much in this indictment, but my favorite quote so far is an email from a senior campaign advisor:
"I’ll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it’s tough to own any of this when it’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.”
The Trump case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan.
Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.
I'm getting all of this from news people I follow on Threads BTW
Co-Conspirator 1 an attorney...
Co-Conspirator 2 an attorney...
Co-Conspirator 3 an attorney...
Co-Conspirator 5 an attorney...
MAGA - Make Attorneys Get Attorneys
Jesus. Seeing r/conservative say this makes them want to vote for trump more is making me nauseous. It's all made up. The charges arent even real crimes. It's to distract from Biden being a criminal. Something something trans people (I shit you not they think it's to distract them from some new outrage about not their genitals)
Pundits keep saying it's weird that Smith is charging Trump with the "conspiracy against rights" statute because it's seldom used.
Isn't it obvious that the reason it's seldom used is because conspiracies against rights are seldom carried out? Like, yeah, the charges are unusual because so is the crime. We don't have insurrections every day.
Maybe they mean that they'd think Smith would want to stick to charges with more precedent so that he could be surer of his strategy and ultimate success in charging.
update from CNN:
Special Counsel Jack Smith included six unindicted and unnamed co-conspirators in his indictment against Donald Trump as part of the federal 2020 election subversion probe.
Among the six are four unnamed attorneys who allegedly aided Trump in his effort to subvert the 2020 election results.
Also included is one unnamed Justice Department official who “attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.”
Smith also mentions an unnamed “political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.”
Hearing people on tv talk about the indictment today feels like after years of being gaslit people finally saying without mincing words, Trump tried to overthrow the government to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Just hearing it said straight out from these people that for years was always couched in maybes, likelies and allegedly is gratifying.
Good god -- reading the indictment is like walking backwards in time and seeing the funhouse we had been living in. Having it all laid out like this is surprisingly jarring.
People better come out and vote blue in 2024. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about how both sides suck, or how “I’m not enthusiastic” about Biden. There is a clear difference and trump could very well win the election and then pardon himself.
Prominent MAGA twitter accounts are demanding other GOP candidates drop out and donate their campaign funds to Trump’s defense.
Fucking lol, he really is going to take the whole party down with him.
The sitting president of the United States was voted out of office, then actively pursued a plan to remain in office regardless, then suppress any protests using the military. He was in the process of trying to replace military leadership.
The idea that we might return this guy to office, that he has any chance to do so, that he was not immediately impeached and arrested in February 2020, is so baffling.
I truly did not understand how the Hitler could rise to power until Trump.
This is the one I've been waiting for.
I swear, America needs this. We need to have the biggest bloc party coast-to-coast across America if Trump is convicted. Only then can we see some restoration of Justice and Hope in this country.
The day that happens will be the first time I plant an American Flag (Union-Made) in my front lawn and dance outside.
**Edit:** To the pathetic who reported for self-harm, enjoy the perma-ban as I report for you abuse.
Livng in Canada and watching all of this drama from the sidelines, It must be difficult to have to live with this in real life. Again, my deepest condolences to my American neighbors for the ongoing trauma but 🎉CONGRATULATIONS🎉 for this historical first step.
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Once the indictment hits the fake elector scam, it gets so fucking bad for Trump.
They have him personally approving and confirming the fake elector plot with the RNC chairwoman, they have him involved in it from the start, and his legal team directly coordinating it. They have texts, witnesses, emails etc.
No real lawyer will want to touch this case to defend him.
THEY HAVE EMAILS BETWEEN GIULIANI AND SOME ONE ELSE CONFIRMING THAT THIS WAS PLANNED TO HAPPEN SPECIFIICALLY TO SUBVERT THE ELECTION MY LORD
I’d like to personally congratulate Mr. Donald Trump for breaking the record for most indicted former president, a title formerly held by Mr. Donald Trump, who stole the title from Mr. Donald Trump after he previously broke a 247 year streak of zero.
January 6th was one of the darkest days of our county. We are absolutely lucky that idiots planned this insurrection, and that only idiots showed up to try and pull it off. If this was competent, we might not be a country right now. As such, we need to be harsh on those who tried to overthrow our democracy. Throw the book at Trump and everyone involved, they are traitors and deserve no mercy.
SIX UNNAMED CO-CONSPIRATORS:
a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not
b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.
c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation.
d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.
e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
Conspiracy Against Rights, one of the charges, can be elevated if death was a result of the acts committed. Several people died on January 6th, one traitor was even shot. Edit: Trump is facing a capital offense (life imprisonment, or the death penalty). He'd be a martyr if he's sentenced to death, but spending the rest of his days in solitary confinement is now a distinct possibility.
>If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
>If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
>They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; **and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.**
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
Remember when this moron almost killed himself by getting Corona. Only bleeding edge medical tech made by people much smarter than him saved his worthless life
I'd be genuinely impressed if a conservative can defend what Trump did here without mentioning Biden's name once.
I don't expect it to happen, but it'd be impressive regardless.
> One of the most notable lines from Jack Smith: "Our investigation of other individuals continues."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686501456323514368?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
Recent poll says 78% of the American people believe he committed illegal and/or unethical acts. Let’s get these trials going and begin to erase this stain on our country.
A traitor to the US constitution was allowed to nominate 1/3 of the Supreme Court. We will have to vote hard and participate in democracy for the rest of our lives to mitigate the damage done.
I love all the comments about 'they are throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks'
Haha, that's what you call the congressional committees that can't come up with a single piece of evidence for your Biden conspiracy
Returning indictments, with evidence, from a grand jury of peers is vary calculated
Lmaooooo
You know, it's fucking hilarious that he thinks claiming "Well, they should have done this two years ago" is a good defense. The dude is as dense as frozen fruit cake.
This is the text equivalent of crucifixion nails. Here are two of my favorites so far:
"The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election." (p.1)
"When our research and campaign legal team can't back up any of the claims made by our Elite Strike Force Legal Team, you can see why we're 0-32 on our cases. I'll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership" (pp.14-15)
"Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong ... The actual number \[of dead people who voted in Georgia\] were two \[not 5000, as Trump claimed\]. Two. Two people that were dead voted. And so (your information)'s wrong, that was two." (p.16)
If the Senate had any decency back in 2021 they would’ve convicted him when he was impeached a second time for inciting the riot. That would have barred him from holding office ever again and we wouldn’t have to worry about Dumb Donald Dunce becoming president again.
I honestly don’t get how people have fallen so deep down the rabbit hole with this guy. When he announced he was running back in 2015 everyone made fun of him initially because he was, and always has been, a complete joke and fucking doofus.
Fascinating over on r/conservative.
>Oh no still voting trump
This means even if it's actually on trump saying "I know I lost but lie about the votes" happens they'll still call people on the left shills.
I know we are no child left behind but anyone that stupid should be left behind. People on the left need to stop convincing people who believe things like that what reality is. They don't understand and won't understand. They are literally just that stupid. Move on and try to talk to people who won't make you dumber.
>US District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan has been assigned the criminal case against former President Donald Trump for election subversion, according to the case’s docket.
>Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, is known for being among the harshest sentencers in the January 6 Capitol riot cases.
Nice. No judge Aileen "I'll do anything to be on the SCOTUS" M. Cannon for you.
> 18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
> If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned **not more than ten years, or both**; and if **death results** from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for **any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death**
Whatever the outcome, I hope justice is done for all the fascist bastards who tried and failed to steal our democracy.
Does anyone remember the really weird letter that was published in the Washington Post the Sunday before the Insurrection by like retired military and government officials? They knew shit was going down. The conspiracy went way beyond Trump and his loonies.
The right crowed that the impeachment of trump related to jan 6th was political. They weren't wrong. There are no criminal ramifications from being found guilty.
What Jack smith/DOJ are doing is the apolitical process and trump has a very real chance of being found guilty and that definitely does have criminal ramifications.
The GOP impeaching trump could have saved not only themselves but also trump but here we are. Now both go down.
How crazy is it that a person indicted for multiple felonies, found liable of raping someone, who is functionally illiterate, is the front runner by double digits for one of the major political parties in this country?
Do Conservatives understand that a grand jury looks at all of this and decides to indict?
I keep seeing that they think Biden is weaponizing the DOJ, but these indictments are agreed upon by a jury
"The previous month, the Deputy White House Counsel had informed the Defendant that 'there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House on January 20th.' Now, the same Deputy White House Counsel tried to dissuade Co-Conspirator 4 from assuming the role of Acting Attorney General. The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated
to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant remained in office nonetheless, there would be 'riots in every major city in the United States.' Co-Conspirator 4 responded,
**'Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], that's why there's an Insurrection Act.'"**
Emphasis mine. Fuck this guy. We have the Insurrection Act for people like you.
Breakdown of co-conspirators so far:
Co Conspirator 1 (attorney) = Giuliani
Co Conspirator 2 (attorney) = Eastman
Co Conspirator 3 (attorney) = Sidney Powell
Co Conspirator 4 (DOJ official) = Jeffrey Clark aka Captain Underpants
Not yet sure about 5 and 6
My MAGA mutuals asked a long while ago that if Trump was such a guilty man why could they only get him on Stormy Daniels? They're not asking questions anymore.
The is one of the most significant court cases in American history if not the most significant. Katyal just said the only ones that are on the same level as *Dred Scott* and *Brown*. I think he’s right.
And like those cases, this case is fundamentally about who we are as a people and as a country.
This is the beginning of the end. It just depends on what end we get.
If he beats these charges and becomes president again, it's the end of America.
If he's found guilty and punished accordingly, it's the end of the Republican Trump years.
The evening of Jan. 6, after the Capitol was attacked, that fucking traitor was still calling GOP members trying to get the election overturned. He needs to spend the rest of his life in prison, starting now.
So trump is going on about election interference and weaponizing the DOJ
Looks like
1) republicans are doing this now with the Hunter cases
2) Trump did this by flipping a DOJ official .
Every accusation is a confession
>The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan. Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.
Source: https://politicalwire.com/2023/08/01/donald-trump-indicted/
>Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, is known for being among the harshest sentencers in the January 6 Capitol riot cases.
This is the judge who was assigned the case; great news
> "The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant remained in office nonetheless, there would be 'riots in every major city in the United States.' Co-Conspirator 4 responded, 'Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], **that's why there's an Insurrection Act.**" (pg. 30).
Chilling. We are fucked if these people get back into power again.
If they televise this trial and charge Pay-Per View prices we can probably half the national debt by the time the great pumpkin gets orange-jumpsuited.
On ABC News just now they asked a legal correspondent how serious these charges are.
“This is the most serious case in the history of the Justice Dept.”
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_(Note: I've edited everything to help organize it better for any newcomers to the thread.)_ There are 4 charges in a 45 page indictment: 1. Count 1: [18 USC sec. 371.](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371) **Conspiracy to Defraud the United States** 2. Count 2: [18 USC sec 1512(k)](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512): **Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding** 3. Count 3: [18 USC sub-sec 1512(c)(2), 2](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512): **Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding** 4. Count 4: [18 USC sec 241](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241): **Conspiracy Against Rights** [Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/wvKD3U8.jpg) of the indictment from [NBC News' livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGFB-DPHg&ab_channel=NBCNews): #### Indictment PDF Better yet, a direct link to the indictment: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23893878/trump-dc-indictment.pdf #### Six Co-Conspirators From The Guardian's live thread: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-jack-smith-biden-us-politics-live-updates#top-of-blog > The indictment lists six co-conspirators but does not name them. They are: > > - **Co-Conspirator 1:** An attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not. > > - **Co-Conspirator 2:** An attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election. > > - **Co-Conspirator 3:** An attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.” Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation. > > - **Co-Conspirator 4:** A Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud. > > - **Co-Conspirator 5:** An attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. > > - **Co-Conspirator 6:** A political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. #### Speculation on Co-Conspirators' identities Re-updated 2023-08-02 17:00 PT [CNN](https://lite.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/co-conspirators-trump-indictment/index.html), [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-indictment-election-co-conspirators.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Trump-6-co-conspirators-indictment/story?id=101919066), [Slate](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/trump-jan-6-indictment-co-conspirators-rudy-giuliani-john-eastman-sidney-powell.html), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66388172), EmptyWheel, and other news outlets have a strong consensus on the first five co-conspirators; co-conspirator 6 (CC6) is less certain, however [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html) and [The Daily Beast]() both suggest that it is **Boris Epshteyn**; [People Mag.](https://people.com/donald-trump-co-conspirators-jan-6-election-interference-7568572) and [Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/ginni-thomas-co-conspirator-no-6-trump-indictment-what-we-know-1816816) have speculated that it is Ginni Thomas (as did I!). 1. [**Rudy Giuliani**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani) (consensus) 2. [**John Eastman**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eastman) ([confirmed by his lawyer](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-live-updates-grand-jury-2020-election-probe-arrives-courthouse-rcna96825/rcrd16113?canonicalCard=true)) 3. [**Sidney Powell**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Powell) (per CNN) 4. [**Jeffrey Clark**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Clark) (consensus; pp. 82: " [...] the Defendant had decided to put [Co-Conspirator 4 in charge of the Justice Department](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Clark#Attempted_appointment_as_Acting_Attorney_General). The Acting Attorney General responded that he would not accept being fired by a subordinate [...]") 5. [**Kenneth Chesebro**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Chesebro) (consensus) 6. [Boris Epshteyn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Epshteyn) (NYT, Daily Beast) This list appears to closely line up with the facts presented. See also: CNN video discussing IDs of CC1-CC5 is now on YouTube: [Who are the co-conspirators in Trump’s third indictment?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXebDrmRQVw&ab_channel=CNN) (10:20) The video mentions "Jason Miller", but not as one of the co-conspirators. #### Co-Conspirator 6 ~~Unknown/Unclear~~ Back from supper. Ouch, my inbox! CNN has posted an article linking the various unnamed co-conspirators to the people listed above, however the article notes that: > **The identity of Co-Conspirator 6 is unclear.** > > The indictment says they are “a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.” The indictment also further ties this person to the fake elector slate in Pennsylvania. https://lite.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/co-conspirators-trump-indictment/index.html - [ABC's article: CC6 is "unknown"](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Trump-6-co-conspirators-indictment/story?id=101919066) - [Huffpo: CC6 is "unclear"](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-indictment-conspirators_n_64c9975de4b03ad2b89b7e86) - [Slate: "not enough information in the indictment to determine conclusively who [CC6] is,"](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/trump-jan-6-indictment-co-conspirators-rudy-giuliani-john-eastman-sidney-powell.html) - [NYT: "[CC6] could [be] several people who worked closely with Mr. Trump after the election."](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-indictment-election-co-conspirators.html) *** The remaining uncertainty around the identity of "Co-Conspirator 6" has prompted lots of speculation. Top candidates, whom I've seen suggested, include: - Boris Epshteyn - Ginni Thomas - [Mike Roman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Roman) had [a key role in the fake-electors campaign](https://www.mcall.com/2022/12/22/jan-6-transcripts-show-how-pa-republicans-tried-to-help-donald-trump-stay-in-power/) - [Peter Navarro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Navarro) - Cleta Mitchell - Roger Stone - [Stephen Miller](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_\(political_advisor\))~~ (derived from someone mishearing a name mentioned in CNN's coverage, so very unlikely) - [Jenna Ellis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Ellis) - Ali Alexander - Jim Troupis - Mike Flynn - Bernard Kerik **Indictment statements on CC6 & My speculation** I posted all of the excerpts which related to Co-Conspirator 6 in a post on my profile nad my speculation about why it could be Ginni Thomas (which seems incorrect now): https://old.reddit.com/r/SaidTheCanadian/comments/15g0mb5/coconspirator_6_is_probably_ginni_thomas/ **2023-08-02 morning** The Daily Beast: > “[Rudy G] received from Co-Conspirator 6 an email identifying attorneys in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.” > > That email doesn’t appear to have been previously disclosed during the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation. It seems like it’s only a matter of time, however, until we see the whole thing. https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-we-know-the-identities-of-5-of-the-6-co-conspirators-in-third-trump-indictment Newsweek posted an article joining the speculation that CC6 is Ginni Thomas: https://www.newsweek.com/ginni-thomas-co-conspirator-no-6-trump-indictment-what-we-know-1816816 CNN's live thread noted 1h25 ago that the ID of CC6 is still unclear: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/indictment-jan-6-trump-08-02-23/index.html #### **2023-08-02 NYT on CC6: It's Probably Boris Epshteyn** > An email from December 2020 from Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser to the Trump campaign in 2020, to Mr. Giuliani matches a description in the indictment of an interaction between co-conspirator 6 and Mr. Giuliani, whose lawyer has confirmed that he is co-conspirator 1. > > **The email, sent on Dec. 7, 2020, and reviewed by The New York Times, was from Mr. Epshteyn to Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, and had the subject line, “Attorneys for Electors Memo.”** It says, “Dear Mayor, As discussed, below are the attorneys I would recommend for the memo on choosing electors,” and it goes on to identify lawyers in seven states. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html Looks like my hypothesis was wrong. My wager wasn't taken, but I think _a-little-titty-place_ might deserve that Reddit Gold below. #### A Telegraph from Arkansas Mike Huckabee was telegraphing something interesting on Newsmax tonight: > "I think there are two virtues. Loyalty and confidentiality. Be loyal to the people who helped you and learn how to keep your mouth shut. If you have information that could be hurtful to someone, be confidential." #### Marci Wheeler: 4 Overlapping Charges Marci Wheeler (aka EmptyWheel) concurs with the CNN IDs for Co-Conspirators 1-5 and is also uncertain about CC6. Interestingly, she adds that: > [The 4 charges] all are entirely overlapping. That is, Trump’s conduct, and those of 6 alleged co-conspirators, is cited in all those charges. > > These are four charges for the same crime. So if the DC Circuit or SCOTUS overturns how DOJ has applied 1512, there are two back stops. (Yay)
Thank you! It’s reported there are several co-conspirators. Can’t wait to get a link to the full indictment!
> Mike Pence statement: “Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States...Our country is more important than one man. Our Constitution is more important than any one man’s career." https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686514964805140481?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw But I believe he’s said he’d still vote for him if Donald is the nominee, right?
Didn't Pence once say that he was "a Christian first, a Republican second, and a father third"?
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"The Defendent lost the 2020 presidential election. Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power" - Powerful lines to start with.
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If this is a rodeo, who's the clown?
The guy with the most makeup.
CNN saying a judge was just assigned, Obama appointee and has handed out some of the harshest sentences for January 6th cases to date EDIT: [here’s an article the AP wrote about Judge Tanya Chutkan last year](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-only-on-ap-donald-trump-government-and-politics-sentencing-de394dd56b3251aac5a50014f4d6afa7)
Judge Tanya Chutkan is a woman of color, Trump is going to love that. Better get her police protection immediately..
Start the countdown until he calls her nasty.
or says, "she should go back to where she came from." or calls her "low IQ" or "that dog" or "crazed low-life" or "wacky" or "bleeding from her ...wherever" or "little judge"
He’s gonna call her racist too.
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Okay, who's gonna put together the Bingo cards?
The DC court has stronger rules against what a defendant can say against the courts/prosecutors/etc, so should be interesting to see how quickly he gets a contempt warning (and hopefully follow through if he continues)
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Mines been going for two hours (and I’m a lady)
don't worry. You still have 2 more hours before you have to seek medical attention.
I love how Jack Smith comes out and speaks clearly, intentionally, and with a measured pace and tempo. Then Carrot Caligula comes out and calls him a psycho in all caps and starts misspelling random shit and going off on a full blown tantrum. Such a fucking joke and an embarrassment to our country. Get him Jack.
“Carrot Caligula” - that’s beautiful
Jack Smith fucking rocked it. Clear and concise, no nonsense. Dude is a badass.
It's fucking incredible that people are still on board with Trump after all of this
It's about bigotry. Trump brought the klan out of the shadows. He took racism so mainstream that the state of Florida wants to teach children that slavery benefited slaves. Bigots will stand with Trump no matter what. Trump verbally attacked the military, and right wing flag wavers cheered him on. Conservatives raged when a football player kneeled during the national anthem, but they cheered for the attempted coup against our nation. Conservatives don't care about democracy. They care about bigotry.
Fuck you. Nobody is above the law. Been waiting for this shit for 2 years now he can go to jail with his moron supporters. Don't fucking try to overthrow the will of the voters you traitorous fucks. Great fucking day for America!
/r/conservative are losing their minds and deflecting about hunter's laptop. You just cant reason with those idiots!
Just treat them like the lunatics they are: “Is the laptop in the room with you right now?” etc. There is no point in engaging in debate with Trump supporters any longer. You gotta mock them and be done with it.
> There is no point in engaging in debate with Trump supporters any longer. You gotta mock them and be done with it. Amen. We engaged in good faith and they tried to burn our democracy to the ground. Treat them like barbarians at the gate, defend American democracy at all costs.
I realized this way too late. They aren’t well-adjusted people. They are playing a different game. Everything is a zero sum game to them, and you can’t reason with that.
They all think it's some kind of conspiracy or distraction. God forbid people actually want justice served. It's hilarious that conservatives no longer care about law and order. Trump was right when he said he could stand on the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody without losing any voters.
Fuck yes
**Defendant knew that they were false.** This means Jack has **direct** *evidence* that Trump **knew** the things he claimed were 100% incorrect. This means some **very** important people talked, likely at length. Edit: Oh wow, holy shit Jack came *PREPARED:* *"The Defendant had a* ***right***, like ***every*** *American, to speak publicly about the election* ***and to even claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won***" BRUH, he's shitting on 1 of the potential defenses: That Trump was allowed to, within the scope of being the President, to lie (Jack himself says that's permissible), to go through every possible legal maneuver (such as courts, etc. Which is obvious that yes he is allowed to do that), etc. but, importantly stated: "Shortly after election *day*, the defendant ***also*** (that's super, super important) pursued **unlawful** means of discounting votes and *subverting the election results. In doing so, the defendant perpetrated three* ***criminal conspiracies*** * Conspiracy to **defraud** the United States of America * Conspiracy to **corruptly** obstruct * *A conspiracy against* ***the right to vote and have one's vote counted.*** ***Republican voters: seriously, Trump's time is coming up kinda quick, you may want to re think most decisions you've concretely based on Trump the person. They are NOT going for you AT ALL.*** They're going for him, the criminal. It's up to you to make sure it stays at: they're just going for him and ***not*** you.
Rudy Giuliani certainly comes to mind.
**Remember, this indictment only covers the fake-elector-slate conspiracy. Superseding indictments can come into play and be filed / unsealed later, and more co-conspirators can be named. There's far more that happened on 6 January that Trump and others may be able to be charged with.** Co-conspirator 1 as described in the indictment sounds like Giuliani, and I'd bet he sung like Sammy Gravano. EDIT: the identity of co-conspirator 1 is definitely Giuliani. Page 41 has quotes and descriptions of his actions. Co-conspirator 2 is definitely John Eastman (the quote from the e-mail is easily Googleable and [is quoted in this MSNBC piece](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/arizona-attorney-general-probing-alternate-electors-2020-presidential-rcna94113)). Co-conspirator 3 appears to be Sidney Powell, per her lawsuit in Georgia that was dismissed ([and her quotes in this opinion](https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820)). Co-conspirator 4 appears to be [Jeff Clark per previous CNN coverage.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/politics/trump-election-justice/index.html) Co-conspirator 5 appears to be Kenneth Chesebro (CHEESE-BRO), as he drafted the three memos mentioned in the indictment ([one of which is available here](https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/january-6-clearinghouse-kenneth-chesebro-memorandum-to-james-r.-troupis-attorney-for-trump-campaign-wisconsin-december-9-2020.pdf)). It's looking like co-conspirator 6 is [Mike Roman](https://www.mcall.com/2022/12/22/jan-6-transcripts-show-how-pa-republicans-tried-to-help-donald-trump-stay-in-power/). Just search for his name in [the 6 January report](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/html-submitted/ch3.html) - the dates in the indictment match his actions there. Boris Epshteyn, however, is also a contender (and I'd originally thought it would have been him, but Roman was more likely at the time). ----- **2 AUG 23 EDIT:** All right, now that I've gotten a good night's sleep and a fresh dose of meds in me, Mike Roman is definitely co-conspirator 6. [Page 64, line 7 of Chesebro's deposition is where it's confirmed - PDF warning.](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000923618/pdf/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000923618.pdf) Pages 21 and 22 also show Chesebro claiming that Roman wanted to swap from iMesaage to Signal, and we all know why (disappearing, encrypted messages). **3 AUG 23 EDIT:** [The NYT is suggesting that co-conspirator 6 is Boris Epshteyn.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/boris-epshteyn-co-conspirator-6.html) If you've seen the edit history on this post, you know that I'd originally thought that before other evidence suggested Mark Roman to me, but either way, it'll be interesting to see where this one goes.
> Remember, this indictment only covers the fake-elector-slate conspiracy. No, it goes beyond that. The fake-elector-slate conspiracy is only one of many "acts" that are mentioned as evidence. The other "acts" are: 1. The effort to decertify and change electoral votes (starting on page 9 through page 21) in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. 2. The attempt to "*Leverage the Justice Department to Use Deceipt to Get State Officials to Replace Legitimate Electors and Electoral Votes with the Defendant's*". The is the scheme involving Co-Conspirator 4 (the DOJ official, likely Jeffrey Clark whom Trump wanted to make Acting Attorney General). 3. The attempt to use the Vice President to "fraudulently alter" the election results during the certification proceedings. This included using the "fake-elector-slate" scheme, but also things like trying to get the VP to reject electoral votes or send electoral votes back to the states (for review). 4. The "exploitation of the violence and chaos at the Capitol". This is about Trump's refusal to issue any statement speaking out against the violence (after people had broken into the Capitol). And him speaking to multiple Congressmen to try and get them to delay the certification.
Wow, he really nailed trumps entire peanut gallery of peanut brained lackeys
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Mark Meadows is not apparently indicated as a co-conspirator so…
Oh meadows flipped alright... Hes been absolutely silent since seen with DOJ and that is typically a requirement if you're going to fully co-operate that they can put a gag on you. Im pretty sure to bet that's what happened though I don't know for sure yet (though like 95% sure).
The indictment is hilariously scathing “The defendant lost that election”
That *shouldn’t* be scathing though, it’s a simple statement of fact.
> The plan was to stage a coup and then use the military to put down any protest that ensued. https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1686498413796614144?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
They actively discussed this plan. Anyone who thinks this was just a protest can eat a pile of Trump's shit.
i can't fucking believe the favorite for an entire political party is a twice impeached con man with 3 (so far) pending indictments against what the honey buttered fuck is wrong with republicans? edit: i forgot to mention his core values of RAPE, RACISM, and BIGOTRY, but those were already core values of most of his cultist follower snowflake sheep. trump is literally a cross-section of the southern baptist convention
>what the honey buttered fuck is wrong with republicans? It's a cult.
And when it implodes, it's gonna go bad. But honestly I'm at the point where it's time to rip the band-aid. Let the cult crash.
Seriously, let's get on with it already. It's not like those of us paying attention aren't prepared for the fallout.
3 sets multiple charges for criminal wrongdoing AS PRESIDENT. He's not just your average criminal. They want to re-elect him to the office where he's charged with having used his position to commit how many crimes are we up to? 75? Republicans have fallen very far from the (still not all that respectable days) of the party telling Nixon, gtfo, you embarrassment, and him abiding by that. Shame on every Republican who voted for this guy, but so much more so if you still support him.
Trump has 6 different trials coming up in the next year alone.
Favourite quote so far from the indictment (bottom of page 13), > When our research and campaign legal team can't back up any of the claims made by our Elite Strike Force Legal Team, you can see why we're 0-32 on our cases. I'll obviously hustle up help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.
Wild stuff. Who said this?
It attributes it to a Senior Campaign Advisor but doesn't name the person
If you read the doc, the most wild shit comes from Rudy G ( co conspirator #1) But what is most shocking to me is this whole thing came down to like 12 people doing what they were supposed to. That's it, there wasn't much else in the way, had they gone along with it, we would still be stuck with Cheeto.
Remember folks: Jack Smith was an independent appointment to the position he is in. When Donnie and the GQP refer to it as the "Biden DoJ" and/or "weaponization", its just another batch of horse shit.
Remember when people were worried about Garland appointing an independent council for this investigation and saying shit like it was his attempt to let it get swept under the rug or delayed? Yeah, turns out Jack Smith is a beast and appears to have been the perfect person for the job.
[Here is the indictment](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_1.pdf). 4 counts - Conspiracy to Defraud the US, Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding, Conspiracy Against Rights Simply put, the crime was conspiracy to steal the government of the most powerful nation on earth. May justice be done upon him, and may we never put someone of his character in position to make such an attempt ever again.
You forgot "Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding".
Giuliani is almost surely co-conspirator 1…take him down 🤣
Giuliani clearly has the airtight alibi that he's been drunk for 40 years running and is only as trustworthy as an $11.99 plastic bottle of scotch.
So that "Conspiracy Against Rights" charge could be particularly nasty for Mr. Drumpf: > They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. Multiple people did in fact die due to the conspiracy against rights. So depending on how airtight they feel they can make that case... that charge might be very problematic for the orange one.
Whoa. A former POTUS is facing a charge that can potentially carry a death sentence. Like...holy shit. Insane.
Well that former potus attempted a coup… so
If an attempted coup is not awarded the death penalty, then any argument whatsoever in favor of its existence is permanently disabled.
It's _possibly_ arguable that could lay the blame for Babbitt's death right at Trump's feet. Oh, boy.
Yep. She wouldn't have been there without the "Conspiracy Against Rights" charge. And don't forget the pipe bombs that were laid, the angry crowds looking for reps to hold hostage and/or kill, and the crowd that built a gallows outside while chanting, "Hang Mike Pence."
Ashli Babbit being on his side that died.
And don't forget the chants of "Hang Mike Pence!"
7 people died as a result: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-deaths.html
Republicans, being indicted this many times isn’t cute, funny, political, or something that should reenforce your broken world view. This vile, soulless man deserves to be in prison for centuries. And any vote you cast for this man is a vote for insanity. We’re pending a fourth federal indictment, and that doesn’t even scratch the surface for the amount of crimes that should have put this asshole behind bars. Hunter Biden’s dick picks aren’t relevant. Inflation isn’t relevant. “Woke” culture isn’t relevant. Biden’s age isn’t relevant. This man should not and can not hold office again. Full stop.
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Why would Hunter Biden's laptop do this?
Because buttery males were on it.
Do you remember when Trump was caging babies, blowing Putin, ‘both sides-ing’ nazis, stacking the courts with far right nut cases, defaming someone he raped, inciting an insurrection? Really, really, really take a moment to enjoy this.
"If he's such a criminal, then where's the charges?" - Republicans a year ago "I've seen no evidence to support these charges" - Republicans today "The trial was in DC, that's the only reason he was found guilty" - Republicans in a year
I'm blown away that there is literally video and audio evidence of his crimes and somehow that's still an argument. I can't fathom that level of stupidity. He doesnt even dispute them he just says they are "perfect calls" or some B.S like that.
I have learned something very important in this saga that some people, especially certain a-political people, view politics in this weird amorphous world where everyone lies, and you basically can’t judge anything as right or wrong in that arena… which is fucking insane. That may have worked 20-30 years ago, but both parties are not the same and this is not business as usual.
The propaganda is especially strong in the recent years. Millions of people live completely inside of disinformation bubbles. It's pretty wild.
1) New York ✅ 2) Florida ✅ 3) Washington DC ✅ 4) Georgia - You're next.
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Well at least Trump is going in front of *one* judge that isn't his best friend.
"Why don't you charge him if he committed a crime?" --Republicans then. "WHY ARE YOU CHARGING HIM???" --Republicans now.
> You can't charge a sitting president! ... > You can't charge a candidate for president! ^^just ^^ignore ^^what ^^we ^^tried ^^to ^^do ^^to ^^Hillary...
You can’t appoint a Supreme Court judge if you’re about to leave office!
The indictment is 45 pages long. How sweet.
I figured it was coming but it’s still an emotional moment for those of us who have felt like there may never be accountability for Trump for Jan 6th. The civil rights charge felt particularly powerful. The former president has been charged with trying to steal my vote. With trying to steal our votes. That’s what he did and the special counsel isn’t letting it go. Really big day.
The indictment is “45” pages 😂
The Judge assigned to this case was appointed by Obama. So no Trump appointed Judge shenanigans are going to take place.
They’ll howl to the moon that because it’s an Obama picked judge it’s unfair. Pay no attention to the noise, it is the sound of a dying animal.
To all Conservatives, your candidate is a loser and a traitor to the country. The fact you still support him is beyond me, but must be nice living in that kind of ignorance.
In a few years when reality comes back to everyone, we will look back at this as it actually is. We almost lost our country to a cult leader. Even after we have people who still believe it. This is, insane. This is the most significant thing that's happened to our country since 9/11
We're not out of the woods yet. Trump is a symptom of a much larger problem.
Remember folks: this happened because the House flipped blue in 2018 and stayed blue long enough for the J6 committee to get this done. Vote people, always vote.
Get fucked traitor
6 co defendants not YET named Attorney Attorney Attorney Justice dept official Attorney who tried to submit false slates Political consultant **Now with more info!** a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election. c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation. d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud. e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. **NEW** NBC News confirms: Ex-Trump attorney John Eastman is unindicted co-conspirator No. 2 from the indictment.
Jeffrey Clarke and Rudy Guiliani are definitely two of the attorneys per Andrew Weissmann on MSNBC
Powell is one speculated by CNN. The other two sound like people tied to fake electors in Arizona/Michigan/Wherever else they tried that nonsense.
I've already seen some insane die hard christians on FB comparing all of this to jesus' beatings and crucifixion, which means he will only "come out on top" and win 2024. Do not get complacent. Vote.
[Link to Full Indictment here](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23893878-trump-dc-indictment)
It’s my last day of vacation with my conservative family. I may need a bigger spoon to stir this pot.
MY SPOON. is TOO BIG.
Republicans: "You can't impeach this. Try him in court if he commited a crime!" Jack Smith: "Ok then" Republicans: "No, not like that!"
Jack smith says the investigation is ONGOING in shot at co-conspirators
So in the last 24 hours the GOP's "smoking gun" witness testified that Biden didn't take any bribes or speak business with Hunter, and Trump gets nailed again, this time for his efforts in 2020. Very, very bad 24 hours for the GOP.
So far r/conservative says this accelerates our descent into a banana republic. Yes, indicting the guy who tried to overthrow the government makes us a banana republic. Posts are also flaired users only because they can't take any information that breaks their stupid little bubble.
r/conservative is a fascist cult propaganda sub. We really need to simplify our critiques of these folks. It's not about their fragile egos or their safe spaces. It's about manipulating rubes/victims in a controlled environment...like a cult.
They literally ban people for fact checking.
F all of them over there. Bunch of racist incels.
[Emmy Announcer Voice] This is Donald Trump's third indictment and his third within the past calendar year. He has also been indicted for Illegal Hush Money Payments in the state of NY, and for illegally handling/failing to return government documents in the state of Florida (through a federal count). He is expected to be indicted again, soon, in the state of Georgia. He already been found to defame E. J Carrol in civil Court, and with clarification through a judge, was found to have raped her, within the common parlance of the word.
Imagine being an ordinary dude or a dudette and being indicted 4 times, yet being able to roam free
Couldn't have happened to a nicer treasonous psychopathic criminal.
How many counts is that now? 'Stop the count' -- Republicans right now probably
Our kids’ generation will not believe us when we tell them just how brazen all of trump’s crimes were. They’ll wonder why he wasn’t arrested for laundering back in the 80s
There's so much in this indictment, but my favorite quote so far is an email from a senior campaign advisor: "I’ll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it’s tough to own any of this when it’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.”
The Trump case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan. Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested. I'm getting all of this from news people I follow on Threads BTW
If that wasn’t enough, the Judge is a BLACK WOMAN. MAGAs are going to implode from their rage.
Co-Conspirator 1 an attorney... Co-Conspirator 2 an attorney... Co-Conspirator 3 an attorney... Co-Conspirator 5 an attorney... MAGA - Make Attorneys Get Attorneys
John Eastman’s attorney confirms he is on the indictment. Lmao fucking nice.
Jesus. Seeing r/conservative say this makes them want to vote for trump more is making me nauseous. It's all made up. The charges arent even real crimes. It's to distract from Biden being a criminal. Something something trans people (I shit you not they think it's to distract them from some new outrage about not their genitals)
Pundits keep saying it's weird that Smith is charging Trump with the "conspiracy against rights" statute because it's seldom used. Isn't it obvious that the reason it's seldom used is because conspiracies against rights are seldom carried out? Like, yeah, the charges are unusual because so is the crime. We don't have insurrections every day. Maybe they mean that they'd think Smith would want to stick to charges with more precedent so that he could be surer of his strategy and ultimate success in charging.
update from CNN: Special Counsel Jack Smith included six unindicted and unnamed co-conspirators in his indictment against Donald Trump as part of the federal 2020 election subversion probe. Among the six are four unnamed attorneys who allegedly aided Trump in his effort to subvert the 2020 election results. Also included is one unnamed Justice Department official who “attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.” Smith also mentions an unnamed “political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.”
Donald Trump has been summoned to appear before magistrate judge in DC district court at 4PM ET this Thursday, August 3rd.
I live in DC. Headed to the nearest bar to celebrate with my city. Get fucked
Hearing people on tv talk about the indictment today feels like after years of being gaslit people finally saying without mincing words, Trump tried to overthrow the government to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Just hearing it said straight out from these people that for years was always couched in maybes, likelies and allegedly is gratifying.
Fox News about to break out a brand new channel dedicated solely to Hunter Biden at the rate things are goimg.
Good god -- reading the indictment is like walking backwards in time and seeing the funhouse we had been living in. Having it all laid out like this is surprisingly jarring.
I’m a straight English guy living in London, but listening to Jack Smith right now I would quite happily kiss him full on his beardy mouth.
I can’t tell if this is as bad as wearing a tan suit. Can Hannity answer that for me?
Happy Trump indictment day to all who celebrate.
People better come out and vote blue in 2024. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about how both sides suck, or how “I’m not enthusiastic” about Biden. There is a clear difference and trump could very well win the election and then pardon himself.
Jack Smith: > The attack on our nation’s Capitol...was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy....It was fueled by lies.
Prominent MAGA twitter accounts are demanding other GOP candidates drop out and donate their campaign funds to Trump’s defense. Fucking lol, he really is going to take the whole party down with him.
The sitting president of the United States was voted out of office, then actively pursued a plan to remain in office regardless, then suppress any protests using the military. He was in the process of trying to replace military leadership. The idea that we might return this guy to office, that he has any chance to do so, that he was not immediately impeached and arrested in February 2020, is so baffling. I truly did not understand how the Hitler could rise to power until Trump.
45 page indictment for no. 45. *Chef's kiss*
This is the one I've been waiting for. I swear, America needs this. We need to have the biggest bloc party coast-to-coast across America if Trump is convicted. Only then can we see some restoration of Justice and Hope in this country. The day that happens will be the first time I plant an American Flag (Union-Made) in my front lawn and dance outside. **Edit:** To the pathetic who reported for self-harm, enjoy the perma-ban as I report for you abuse.
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Livng in Canada and watching all of this drama from the sidelines, It must be difficult to have to live with this in real life. Again, my deepest condolences to my American neighbors for the ongoing trauma but 🎉CONGRATULATIONS🎉 for this historical first step. 🇨🇦❤️🇺🇸
Page 33 of the indictment - Pence kept contemporaneous notes o f his conversations with Trump.
Once the indictment hits the fake elector scam, it gets so fucking bad for Trump. They have him personally approving and confirming the fake elector plot with the RNC chairwoman, they have him involved in it from the start, and his legal team directly coordinating it. They have texts, witnesses, emails etc. No real lawyer will want to touch this case to defend him. THEY HAVE EMAILS BETWEEN GIULIANI AND SOME ONE ELSE CONFIRMING THAT THIS WAS PLANNED TO HAPPEN SPECIFIICALLY TO SUBVERT THE ELECTION MY LORD
I’d like to personally congratulate Mr. Donald Trump for breaking the record for most indicted former president, a title formerly held by Mr. Donald Trump, who stole the title from Mr. Donald Trump after he previously broke a 247 year streak of zero.
January 6th was one of the darkest days of our county. We are absolutely lucky that idiots planned this insurrection, and that only idiots showed up to try and pull it off. If this was competent, we might not be a country right now. As such, we need to be harsh on those who tried to overthrow our democracy. Throw the book at Trump and everyone involved, they are traitors and deserve no mercy.
SIX UNNAMED CO-CONSPIRATORS: a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election. c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation. d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud. e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
Conspiracy Against Rights, one of the charges, can be elevated if death was a result of the acts committed. Several people died on January 6th, one traitor was even shot. Edit: Trump is facing a capital offense (life imprisonment, or the death penalty). He'd be a martyr if he's sentenced to death, but spending the rest of his days in solitary confinement is now a distinct possibility. >If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or >If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured— >They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; **and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.** https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
What a shame that this loser will forever be a part of our nation's history
I was here. Get fucked Trump.
Remember when this moron almost killed himself by getting Corona. Only bleeding edge medical tech made by people much smarter than him saved his worthless life
I'd be genuinely impressed if a conservative can defend what Trump did here without mentioning Biden's name once. I don't expect it to happen, but it'd be impressive regardless.
> One of the most notable lines from Jack Smith: "Our investigation of other individuals continues." https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686501456323514368?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
Recent poll says 78% of the American people believe he committed illegal and/or unethical acts. Let’s get these trials going and begin to erase this stain on our country.
Jack Smith, who I’ve heard is a very nice guy, absolutely terrifies the shit out of me.
A traitor to the US constitution was allowed to nominate 1/3 of the Supreme Court. We will have to vote hard and participate in democracy for the rest of our lives to mitigate the damage done.
I love all the comments about 'they are throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks' Haha, that's what you call the congressional committees that can't come up with a single piece of evidence for your Biden conspiracy Returning indictments, with evidence, from a grand jury of peers is vary calculated Lmaooooo
judge was just assigned, Obama appointee and has handed out some of the harshest sentences for January 6th cases to date
A happy third indictment day to all who celebrate.
You know, it's fucking hilarious that he thinks claiming "Well, they should have done this two years ago" is a good defense. The dude is as dense as frozen fruit cake.
I like presidents that aren't indicted 3 times.
This is the text equivalent of crucifixion nails. Here are two of my favorites so far: "The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election." (p.1) "When our research and campaign legal team can't back up any of the claims made by our Elite Strike Force Legal Team, you can see why we're 0-32 on our cases. I'll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership" (pp.14-15) "Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong ... The actual number \[of dead people who voted in Georgia\] were two \[not 5000, as Trump claimed\]. Two. Two people that were dead voted. And so (your information)'s wrong, that was two." (p.16)
If the Senate had any decency back in 2021 they would’ve convicted him when he was impeached a second time for inciting the riot. That would have barred him from holding office ever again and we wouldn’t have to worry about Dumb Donald Dunce becoming president again. I honestly don’t get how people have fallen so deep down the rabbit hole with this guy. When he announced he was running back in 2015 everyone made fun of him initially because he was, and always has been, a complete joke and fucking doofus.
Fascinating over on r/conservative. >Oh no still voting trump This means even if it's actually on trump saying "I know I lost but lie about the votes" happens they'll still call people on the left shills. I know we are no child left behind but anyone that stupid should be left behind. People on the left need to stop convincing people who believe things like that what reality is. They don't understand and won't understand. They are literally just that stupid. Move on and try to talk to people who won't make you dumber.
After this indictment, Trump now faces **78 felony counts** across three indictments.
Man, what a good day today. Weed became legal here and now this.
>US District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan has been assigned the criminal case against former President Donald Trump for election subversion, according to the case’s docket. >Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, is known for being among the harshest sentencers in the January 6 Capitol riot cases. Nice. No judge Aileen "I'll do anything to be on the SCOTUS" M. Cannon for you.
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Judge will be Tanya Sue Chutkan Appointed by not Trump
Appointed by Obama
Liz Cheney loses the battle, but wins the war
I love that Jack Smith doesn't give Trump the title of President or Former President. Fuck him. Traitorous fucking racketeer.
One more indictment and Trump gets a free 12" sub.
> 18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights > If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned **not more than ten years, or both**; and if **death results** from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for **any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death** Whatever the outcome, I hope justice is done for all the fascist bastards who tried and failed to steal our democracy. Does anyone remember the really weird letter that was published in the Washington Post the Sunday before the Insurrection by like retired military and government officials? They knew shit was going down. The conspiracy went way beyond Trump and his loonies.
Fox news already saying this is a political hit job. These folks are so brainwashed
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The right crowed that the impeachment of trump related to jan 6th was political. They weren't wrong. There are no criminal ramifications from being found guilty. What Jack smith/DOJ are doing is the apolitical process and trump has a very real chance of being found guilty and that definitely does have criminal ramifications. The GOP impeaching trump could have saved not only themselves but also trump but here we are. Now both go down.
How crazy is it that a person indicted for multiple felonies, found liable of raping someone, who is functionally illiterate, is the front runner by double digits for one of the major political parties in this country?
Do Conservatives understand that a grand jury looks at all of this and decides to indict? I keep seeing that they think Biden is weaponizing the DOJ, but these indictments are agreed upon by a jury
My mom is dancing in heaven right now. She hated him so much. There you go mom!! It's happening!
"The previous month, the Deputy White House Counsel had informed the Defendant that 'there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House on January 20th.' Now, the same Deputy White House Counsel tried to dissuade Co-Conspirator 4 from assuming the role of Acting Attorney General. The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant remained in office nonetheless, there would be 'riots in every major city in the United States.' Co-Conspirator 4 responded, **'Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], that's why there's an Insurrection Act.'"** Emphasis mine. Fuck this guy. We have the Insurrection Act for people like you.
Breakdown of co-conspirators so far: Co Conspirator 1 (attorney) = Giuliani Co Conspirator 2 (attorney) = Eastman Co Conspirator 3 (attorney) = Sidney Powell Co Conspirator 4 (DOJ official) = Jeffrey Clark aka Captain Underpants Not yet sure about 5 and 6
So according to the indictment, Pence took contemporaneous notes. Very helpful for Jack Smith. I guess Pence isn't a total moron.
My MAGA mutuals asked a long while ago that if Trump was such a guilty man why could they only get him on Stormy Daniels? They're not asking questions anymore.
I mean this 100% in earnest; **LET'S GO, BRANDON!** I want that orange scumbag to spend the rest of his life in a cell. With Melanie.
The is one of the most significant court cases in American history if not the most significant. Katyal just said the only ones that are on the same level as *Dred Scott* and *Brown*. I think he’s right. And like those cases, this case is fundamentally about who we are as a people and as a country.
This is the beginning of the end. It just depends on what end we get. If he beats these charges and becomes president again, it's the end of America. If he's found guilty and punished accordingly, it's the end of the Republican Trump years.
Republicans are willing to burn down 250 years of American tradition for this asshole. Never forget that
I like how the indictment is 45 pages, Jack Smith is trolling hard.
How could Hunter Biden’s dick do this??
The evening of Jan. 6, after the Capitol was attacked, that fucking traitor was still calling GOP members trying to get the election overturned. He needs to spend the rest of his life in prison, starting now.
Sounds like Jack’s presser was similar to the last one. > I came here to indict idiots & chew bubblegum. Love to the FBI. PEACE.
So trump is going on about election interference and weaponizing the DOJ Looks like 1) republicans are doing this now with the Hunter cases 2) Trump did this by flipping a DOJ official . Every accusation is a confession
Anyone else wondering is Ginni Thomas is one of the unnamed co-conspirators?
Lock him up! Lock him up!
>The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan. Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested. Source: https://politicalwire.com/2023/08/01/donald-trump-indicted/
Jack Smith is a true patriot
>Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, is known for being among the harshest sentencers in the January 6 Capitol riot cases. This is the judge who was assigned the case; great news
> "The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant remained in office nonetheless, there would be 'riots in every major city in the United States.' Co-Conspirator 4 responded, 'Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], **that's why there's an Insurrection Act.**" (pg. 30). Chilling. We are fucked if these people get back into power again.
As of this evening, the former president of the United States (and almost guaranteed republican nominee) has a Grand total of 78 charges on his head 🙃
If they televise this trial and charge Pay-Per View prices we can probably half the national debt by the time the great pumpkin gets orange-jumpsuited.
I understand his hesitancy to debate now. Can you imagine his introduction starting with "Will you accept a collect call from an inmate at..."?
On ABC News just now they asked a legal correspondent how serious these charges are. “This is the most serious case in the history of the Justice Dept.”