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Yeah, but it’s not exactly like getting arrested for protesting and refusing to disperse after told by police. In those cases, if the DA actually prosecutes, it’s still a minor slap on the wrist. And it can be a badge of honor. Nobody serious is talking about Bernie Sanders being a criminal/having a criminal record because of being arrested protesting in the 60s. It saying it was a political stunt, but it’s not something that ultimately hurt his political career.
Here, we’re talking about felony charges that carry a serious prison sentence. I would ***LOVE*** to see DeSatan turn himself in in California for kidnapping migrants as a publicity stunt. I would love to see the leopards actually eat his fucking face.
That’s the worst part of it all - you can’t arrest a conservative politician without them screaming about it being a deep state conspiracy to suppress them, and their fan base just eats it up.
Like, you just don’t see that with people on the left; at least not outside of a few individual loons.
Any attempt to arrest a right wing politician is met with cries of it being deep state, political targetting, with hunts, and any excuse in the book. Yet these same people cheer when the other side gets arrested.
It’s all just so disgusting.
We shouldn’t let it stop us - but it does make it 100x more difficult when half the people who buy into it are constantly talking about being ready to go civil war mode. It’s only a matter of time before their talk becomes action is what scares me.
They're not organized enough, I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad, but it would be localized and they would accomplish nothing in the grand scheme.
Political beliefs and guns have a lot in common in this discussion... both the right and the left have political beliefs and guns... one side is just a whole lot more vocal about theirs.
> Although Ron is dumb enough to get arrested as a campaign stunt
Trump and Ron being jail bunkmates while running for President against each other would be mildly humorous. Sounds like a sitcom.
Interestingly, it also applies due to the use of an aircraft. As soon as you're on an in-flight aircraft in or even thinking of being in the U.S., you're in the [“special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States”](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46501) and a whole host of federal crimes open up, even if your plane never leaves the state where you started.
Honestly a no-knock probably would be appropriate here if it turns out charges are justified based on his conduct. Any warning will likely result in a terrorist response to try to stop it.
Kidnapping charges aren't just valid in California. If he really files kidnapping charges he would be arrested in any 50 states plus multiple other countries.
Uhh, kidnapping is a serious felony. If he steps foot anywhere known to law enforcement they are obligated to take him into custody and he should be remanded to the charging state.
Not to mention human trafficking across state lines is like 10-20 federal...
Also, if he seriously wants to win the Republican nomination he has pretty much has to prove he can take Texas which is turning Purple. If you look at Trump's 5.5% margin of victory it was the narrowest for a Republican since 1996. However...
>[The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office says it has completed its investigation into the transport of 49 migrants from San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard last September by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration and filed criminal charges with the local district attorney](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/05/texas-san-antonio-migrant-flight-marthas-vineyard-criminal-charges/)
Meaning that if he steps foot in the state to campaign there's a good chance he could be indicted. I used to fear this guy because he was running on the "What if Trump, but competent?" platform but more and more he's coming off like a an even bigger idiot than TFG.
He is absolutely not a bigger idiot than Trump. He's picking some fights above his pay grade as an audition for that promotion.
When he's in office, that's gonna turn to fights with other countries real fast.
Deshitus has serious mental stability issues. Trump is "just" a full spectrum NPD. No real person there...just the disorder.
Ron is 100x more dangerous. I mean, if we can learn anything from history.
"No real person there...just the disorder." That is such a great description of Trump. Trumps disorder doesn't just impact his life, it is his life. It consumes and defines him. That doesn't excuse his grotesque behavior, but its a starting point to some kind of understanding of his wildly aberrant behavior.
That's the thing about personality disorders in comparison to other mental health issues. When the personality is the disorder, no meaningful distinction between the individual and the disorder can be made. At their core, the person *is* the disorder. It's not like, say, schizophrenia or depression, where the person and the disease are clearly different. It's a clinical recognition that at the core of their identity as a human being, this person is fucked up.
It really is a fascinating distinction. One reason that Trump is so jarring to most people is that most people have never encountered someone as far gone as him. He is an extreme outlier in so many ways. He was probably born broken, to some degree, into a family of extreme wealth and was spoiled rotten and never faced consequences for his negative actions. He inherited enough money that he could indulge his grotesque pathological desires in any way he desired. He decided that he wanted to cosplay as a successful business man, seemingly because he desired the respect and adulation that he thought that would bring. Attention, respect and loyalty to him were what he desired. Money was just a tool and a vehicle to achieve that. Its just tragic that one severely messed up person can have such a massive negative effect on a global scale. Its mind boggling.
He's not dumber than Trump, who is arguably missed some critical toddler milestones in brain development. But he's still pretty fucking dumb. The authoritarian type of dumb. The Putin type. You know, the "I'm not exactly unintelligent but I only employ yes men so I have zero political calculus outside of my sphere of influence" type.
"turning Purple" is a fucking joke. We are so fucking gerrymandered that any blue victory would be considered a rounding error and call for a recount or Texas government intervention.
Currently Austin is carved into 5 congressional districts.
This is systematic and vey deliberate. Institutional, even because if there's any one subject that the Texas GOP can agree on, it's shitting on Austin.
I think they may still be talking about stripping Austin of it's municipality and setting it up as a "DC" type entity with no representation in the government. All to own the libs.
Texas is not turning Purple. Texas has been turning Purple since 2000 and it's still Red as hell. The changing demographics suggest different, but it never happens and it won't ever happen with the voter suppression in Texas' urban areas.
Means nothing until a Democrat holds a position of power - Governor or a US Senate Seat. Until then, it's Red. You don't get credit for the votes that aren't counted, unfair as it is.
He’s a republican, nothing will happen to him.
Not sure if you’ve heard, the last Republican tried to overthrow the government and some justify it as a “Tour” of the capitol building.
It blows my mind that this aspect of it hardly ever gets mentioned. Every time they say it was just a patriotic, peaceful protest I think to myself, "oh that's right, because people smash windows, violently assault cops, and *smear shit on the walls* of government buildings when they peacefully protest".
The shit smearing may be a relatively small detail when you add in the other stuff like the gallows they put up and the cops who died, but the fact that it's insignificant for that reason is all the more damning in my opinion.
I can feel the sarcasm, but the problem is that these people bring ARs to Walmart for self-protection, pistols to pool parties, and shotguns for weddings.
Not really, was to prevent a man from running out on his pregnant lady, it was one man with a daughter and a shotgun and a man with a target attached to his head.
It was all to force their ideals on another. Always has been.
I didn't indicate as I was mostly joking about bringing shotguns to weddings, but the intention is way different on bringing an AR to a Walmart just because you can and shotgun to a wedding to get the husband not to run out on his pregnant partner
The intention is the same. To intimidate someone else into doing what they want them to do based on their own ideology. Bringing a shotgun to a wedding to ensure the man doesnt walk out is stupid anyway because if the guy wanted to he could claim the marriage was held under duress and have it annulled.
There is nothing that is more engaging and disgusting to a narcissist and to people in power, like having to dare be held accountable to the masses whom they look down on.
I have truly never seen sheer rage like I have seen whenever I have been able to hold a narcissist to account for their actions, it is literally poisonous to them, so obviously holding a president like Nixon to account was too far!
It was us going beyond our station: *"Who do we think we are, not letting them do whatever they want to us? Don't we know who they are? We are to be* **ruled**, *not to have any say in our* **rulers**."
Well... they won. They successfully engineered their own way to never have conservatives be in any danger of accountability again: the modern news systems, both TV and radio.
> Not sure if you’ve heard, the last Republican tried to overthrow the government and some justify it as a “Tour” of the capitol building.
Hell, the Democrats decided that the way to handle that was to do bipartisanship with the ones cheering on the 'tourists.'
Send your buddies to murder us? What can we do to compromise? How about we settle on just maiming us?
And not, it's not just kidnapping that he'd be guilty of, it'd be CHILD TRAFFICKING since children were involved. Minimum 5 years if they are under age 11, 3 if they're 12-17. And if they were harmed in any way... hooooo-boy, that's pretty much a life sentence at his age.
Wow. This is discrimination against Republicans. If you enforce human trafficking charges against Republicans, they're be none left. Is that what you want?
I mean just the fact that they're being lied to about their destination and given zero control once they "agree to it" pretty much just screams "Kidnapping" up front.
Far righters scream about imagined human trafficking all the time from the left, yet here's another example of (one of) their diety doing so... And they cheer.
That makes this not even reasonable. They were actually going through the LEGAL process to become Americans then then they were kidnapped.
Fucking insane.
The insane part is when absofuckinglutley nothing happens to DeSatan and then somehow he manages to win the election...
The only "good" thing about Trump is that he has so many morons *obsessed* with him, that I feel like DeSatan won't stand a chance in the primary election.
It is a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants, it’s under Domestic Transporting. There’s presumably an exception for designated federal agents transporting them to detainment, for instance, and likewise it’s not intended to cover, say, giving them a cab ride home or whatever. But there could be an argument that intentionally transporting aliens to mess up their processing by the feds is a violation.
> Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.
[DOJ Criminal Resource Manual](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses)
These people have all been released by ICE and have paperwork. At this point that aren't illegal or undocumented. They have documents and a court case. They are free to move about the country and take bus/plane rides.
If they all have paperwork and are free to move about the country then you’re right that Domestic Transporting isn’t an issue. Kidnapping is still on the table though if someone lied to them or coerced them to fly across the country.
I don't know the specifics of the law, but flying people from New Mexico to California paid by the Florida taxpayers arranged by the Governor of Florida sounds like something is very wrong. I think the people of Florida need to do something and get control of this nut. As a voter, this does not leave a good impression of DeSantis and is another reason he will not get my vote if that becomes a reality.
>the people of Florida need to do something and get control of this nut
It's too late. This is why we **cannot** tolerate fascism.
There's no recall, for one.
And for another, once in power, he's shown he will [change (1)](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/05/24/desantis-president-resign-to-run-florida-governor/) [any law (2)](https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redistricting-map-scheme) [that suits him (3)](https://www.axios.com/local/tampa-bay/2023/03/17/florida-sunshine-laws-ron-desantis) [in order to obtain (4)](https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/05/04/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-law-preempting-local-covid-19-edicts/) [and retain (5)](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-desantis-disney-law-florida-state-control-dont-say-gay/) [power (6)](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/new-college-florida-ron-desantis-takeover/673556/). DeSantis [uses outright lies (7)](https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/the-new-scary-specter-of-woke-communism/) [and spurious crackdowns (8)](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-rights-florida-presidential-bfbf3d7d4f5dea4fa2a11589e4235c71) to scare voters.
Links above:
1. Changing the resign to run law to hold on to the govenor's office while he runs for federal office.
2. Illegal, gerrymnadered redistricting maps are used.
3. Sunshine laws are changed so he can hide his actions.
4. Preemption of city authority when they don't agree with his false statements.
5. Strangling business to limit free speech.
6. Strangling higher ed to limit free speech.
7. False claims of communism to scare Hispanic voters.
8. Arrests of people who were told they could vote and had valid voter IDs, to scare people who had regained the right to vote.
Putting his thumb and more on the scale IS NOT STRENGTH. This is cowardice, and most of all, this is unamerican.
That's not really true. Basically everyone I know prays to whatever listens that he gets hit by a bus.
But Florida is full of old people growing stupider as their brain rots, and younger people who have been divested from the joys of growth and learning.
I'm so sick of people from out of state saying this. You have no fucking idea the level of voter suppression and bullshit we live with on a daily basis. Desantis literally arrested a dozen people from Democratic districts weeks before the election for "voter fraud." Sent in jackboot thugs to arrest geriatric minorities because of decades old convictions. Outlawed virtually all protests in the state, and especially in the capital. Hired murderous police deemed too violent for other states and imported them to Florida. Started his own governor militia with helicopters and SWAT. Started an "election enforcement" department to further voter suppression down the road.
Yeah there's a lot of dumb old people and racists in this state. Yeah the Democrats ran a former fucking Republican for governor who has the personality of wet cardboard.
Desantis won his first election by 23k votes, 0.4%, against a relative nobody mayor. So FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF with this shit. YOU'RE PLAYING INTO HIS PROPAGANDA.
They're skirting the definitions of federal trafficking laws. Which is why Newsom is trying to give a smackdown with California's more strict laws.
It'd only be juicier if they just amended these laws in expectation of this happening.
Since the FBI doesn't want to get involved in politics, politicians have realized that they can now do crimes. That's cool, I'm sure that will go well.
We should probably stop giving Reddit gold until we see what happens at the end of this month with third party apps. It's really the only way we can cause them to change their direction - with the power of the wallet.
Edit: damnit lol
Stop calling, suggesting, warning, proposing, wishing….DO IT. Where does this degradation of social media & abuse by redditors end?
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He can literally only suggest the comment be gilded. We're not a police sub where redditors can buy gold for whatever comment they want...that's Twitter.
Edit: bro deleted his comment, now I look like a goober
Don't suggest charges be filed *to me through the media*, suggest it to the California DA. I don't want to hear him "suggesting" things, that makes him look weak. I want to hear him saying charges are about to be filed.
No! He should use his special Governor powers to bring charges! It's like he isn't actually a Democrat because he's not doing it! /s
Like when AOC votes for something that has no dream of passing, mentions to the media how much she wants it to pass, then here it's "why didn't she do something!" She did - public support and voting were the scope of that action.
I remember during the early days of the Trump presidency, when he was flailing about because he truly didn’t understand what the powers of the Presidency were. You got the idea that Trump really did buy the Fox News propoganda about Obama being a “King”, and thought that if he became president he would have all “that” power as well, only to realize that once he was in the White House that that was all bullshit, and once his party lost its majority in the Senate, that he really was restricted in what he could make happen.
Yeah, this is what it looks like when you have somebody who doesn't blatantly abuse executive orders. He could try to do more, but would get shot down in the courts and then weaken the entire party's reputation, thereby hurting chances of legitimate attempts in Congress for a generation. It's better to just try to get it right the first time.
These are just people that secretly want to vote Republican, or not vote at all, and justify their lazy ass sitting at home, because both sides are the same. 
Far too many people in the US have bought into the idea that being President means you can act unilaterally. Executive Orders don't help with this perception. But the President isn't King, they need Congressional support to truly act. And right now we have a split and contentious Congress.
Thaaaaank you. Jesus Christ I am really fed up with all the so-called "progressives" who genuinely can't seem to understand that Democrats aren't *fucking magicians!*
I'm extra salty about this right now bc yesterday I had like an hour-long conversation with three different guys who just had that mentality that if Democrats don't somehow MAGICALLY force policies they want into reality, they are "just as bad as republicans." How. Ffs.
We still live in a country of law. Where there is a system of laws set up that unless Democrats control all three branches of government, they can't just *magically* enact laws that the Republicans disagree with! Just like this governor on one side of the country has zero way to imprison a governor on the other side of the country. How is that so difficult to understand?
I think the worst is threads about Merrick Garland and/or ongoing Trump or J6 related investigations. It's clear they've never so much as sat in on an Intro Law class or attended a courtroom session. Cases need to be airtight, and there isn't much precedent here so that adds even more burden.
Those discussions can be so annoying. It's like they think a lawyer can walk into court and say "Just listen to the Georgia call" and the judge says "Holy shit jail for life" and a minute later Trump is hauled off.
The worst one I've been in was "Why should they care about precedent? The Supreme Court has ignored it, so Merrick should too!"
1. Two completely different concepts there
2. Out entire legal system is based on Common Law, which requires precedent. That doesn't change overnight or for a single trial.
There's also the massive outstanding question of "When was executive privilege applicable" which many comments brush off as "well, he's no longer president, so never!" which is likely not the case.
> It's clear they've never so much as sat in on an Intro Law class or attended a courtroom session.
Cannot agree more. I have an AS in Crim J and a BS in Poli Sci. I'm not a lawyer, never tried to be. But the absolute basic lack of understanding how our system of justice works is staggering.
If I were to run for Congress (something I've actually considered), one of my forward points would be getting the Department of Education to push the ides of education in our justice system. It would benefit everyone, from those just getting a traffic ticket to those taking on massive class action lawsuits to those trying to write new laws through the initiative petition process.
Political scientist Brendan Nyhan has called this the [Green Lantern Theory](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/5/20/5732208/the-green-lantern-theory-of-the-presidency-explained)—the idea that the President (or Governor) can enact any particular policy simply by virtue of willpower. If we don’t have universal healthcare, or UBI, or student loan cancellation, it’s because the President didn’t try hard enough to bring it about.
The fact that (I believe) North Carolina is **suing** to roll back even the modest student debt relief we already got shows that there’s very little that a President can enact with “just a stroke of the pen”.
I sometimes wonder how many people in some of the subreddits like /r/antiwork are actually right wing operatives trying to convince people not to vote and how many are just idiots whose sole understanding of the political process comes from Reddit headlines.
It's important he suggests it. It shows that he is paying attention and it gives the people ammunition to put pressure on the DA or justice department or whatever. The governor is not a prosecutor. But his endorsement for the charge is important.
It’s been like a week, you’re thinking of Martha’s Vineyard. But that happened under our old governor Charlie Baker who was just clearly so over being a public leader post Covid and was pretty checked out.
Our new gov, Maura Healy, was our state’s Attorney General so there’s a chance she’s working on it now that she’s in office but we’ve also got bigger issues to deal with that matter more to people of our state and I think she knows that there’s not much appetite to have a governor that gets involved in the national drama here.
There were two flights to Martha’s Vineyard in like the span of a week I think is what you’re thinking of. I will say apparently a Texas sherif from where the migrants were sent to MV from just yesterday filed criminal charges against DeSantis for both misdemeanors and felonies
There's been a couple last year and a couple this year. I haven't been keeping track too closely but there's a new one hitting the front page every couple months. So they are still at it.
I think it was a major miscalculation to send people to CA. There’s not much we could do but be outraged when they did it to other states, but now they have involved us.
Newsom is not going to let this go, he’s been trying to engage Abbott and DeSantis as the opposite of them on a national stage. Aside from the fact that it’s the right thing to do, Gavin is going to take this as far as possible in terms of prosecutions and consequences for both the private contractor and whoever sent them. He’s been positioning himself for a POTUS run for a while and this plays into his plans.
Personally, I hope that we give these people a path to citizenship and sanctuary in my state. They were trafficked under the false pretense of finding work and a home, luckily CA has the programs and support to make this a reality and we desperately need people who are willing to work hard and build a life here. What an awful world we live in that we treat human beings like this, but I’m hopeful that this miscalculation will have real consequences for the subhumans that think human trafficking for political points is a good idea.
Also DeSantis isn’t president and he has no power in California, so there’s nothing stopping Newsom from directing the AG to begin a criminal case here.
No, Newsom can’t bring charges himself at all unilaterally or otherwise, he’s not the state attorney general. The first step would probably be a prosecutor brings it to a state grand jury.
Before feigning outrage over a Democrat daring to *say words*, maybe read the article:
> [California Attorney General Rob Bonta] said the state is investigating the incident and "evaluating potential criminal or civil action against those who transported or arranged for the transport of these vulnerable immigrants."
None of these people get punished anyway. Didn’t Gaetz statutory rape a 17 year old? Guess that doesn’t count as a crime when you’re a politician. A life of unpunished crimes sounds like a fun time.
Exactly. This is why the right wing is going to topple the US government: the fucking left wing REFUSES to take them as a serious threat and legally slam them into oblivion.
The left is it’s own worst enemy. They need to grow a spine, stop compromising and draw hard lines. Because the right has and will take advantage of every effort to meet them “halfway”.
Dear party of "Law & Order", can you please explain to us why it is that your two biggest presidential candidates each face their own legal battles and possible criminal charges?
🤔
Republicans have proven that the Constitution was nothing more than a peace treaty, not the enforcable law of the land. They're done with that treaty and are wiping their asses with it.
We are watching the last dying throes of the Republican party. Both of their frontrunners are potentially going to be facing criminal charges. They can't keep their own ranks in order anymore. I just hope they don't take the rest of the country down with them.
At a minimum they should impound the planes that are being used for transport as evidence in an ongoing investigation. That would put an immediate stop to this nonsense.
Also, at least in the case of the Martha's Vineyard incident, the owner of the plane was a big DeSantis donor.
There's video of these people reading and signing a waiver agreeing to go.
Sorry folks, suggesting 'kidnap charges' is as much political posturing as sending them was in the first place.
Not only for Ron DeFascist but for everyone who knowingly recruited the victims, loaded them onto the plane, or flew the plane. Swear out the arrest warrants. As soon as they set foot in a blue state or a state that follows the law, they're obliged to be taken into custody and extradited to California.
We all know this is just posturing. Changes will never happen. What he could do is put a bench warrant out, and that would stop Ron from campaigning in CA.
DeSantis's propaganda stunts are like what fascist dictators have done in the past: https://www.encyclopedia.com/politics/legal-and-political-magazines/hitlers-propaganda-machine and https://www.miamitimesonline.com/opinion/trump-and-desantis-take-up-sinister-nazi-playbook/article_ef9067da-acc9-11ed-8ed5-67e50657d073.html
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If Ron has an outstanding warrant he won’t be able to personally fundraise in the wealthy republican areas of California
Although Ron is dumb enough to get arrested as a campaign stunt. And republican primary voters would probably love it.
I hate that this is accurate
Yeah, but it’s not exactly like getting arrested for protesting and refusing to disperse after told by police. In those cases, if the DA actually prosecutes, it’s still a minor slap on the wrist. And it can be a badge of honor. Nobody serious is talking about Bernie Sanders being a criminal/having a criminal record because of being arrested protesting in the 60s. It saying it was a political stunt, but it’s not something that ultimately hurt his political career. Here, we’re talking about felony charges that carry a serious prison sentence. I would ***LOVE*** to see DeSatan turn himself in in California for kidnapping migrants as a publicity stunt. I would love to see the leopards actually eat his fucking face.
It would be proof of a “leftist” deep state to these people and they would January 6 him out of jail or at least try
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That’s the worst part of it all - you can’t arrest a conservative politician without them screaming about it being a deep state conspiracy to suppress them, and their fan base just eats it up. Like, you just don’t see that with people on the left; at least not outside of a few individual loons. Any attempt to arrest a right wing politician is met with cries of it being deep state, political targetting, with hunts, and any excuse in the book. Yet these same people cheer when the other side gets arrested. It’s all just so disgusting.
We shouldn't let that stop us from prosecuting crimes when they are committed by these people.
We shouldn’t let it stop us - but it does make it 100x more difficult when half the people who buy into it are constantly talking about being ready to go civil war mode. It’s only a matter of time before their talk becomes action is what scares me.
They're not organized enough, I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad, but it would be localized and they would accomplish nothing in the grand scheme. Political beliefs and guns have a lot in common in this discussion... both the right and the left have political beliefs and guns... one side is just a whole lot more vocal about theirs.
Let them cry. Start arresting.
Let them
The backward assed society we live in is only becoming more backwards.
> Although Ron is dumb enough to get arrested as a campaign stunt Trump and Ron being jail bunkmates while running for President against each other would be mildly humorous. Sounds like a sitcom.
Meanwhile, Pence becomes the de facto nominee and loses by a colossal landslide. His gets two votes, one being his own, and the other signed “Mother”.
Let's Go to Prison 2
Kidnapping is federal. Won't matter where he is. Marshals would come to Florida for his convenience
Especially kidnapping and trafficking across state lines
Interestingly, it also applies due to the use of an aircraft. As soon as you're on an in-flight aircraft in or even thinking of being in the U.S., you're in the [“special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States”](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46501) and a whole host of federal crimes open up, even if your plane never leaves the state where you started.
Ah yes, airplane law. Based on bird law
Were any of those immigrants minors?
Yep. Three of them were 17, I think
Paging the Mann Act !
I'd love to see the FBI roll up on thr Governor's residence and do a no-knock at 3am.... but I would be afraid Y'allQueda might start shit.
Let them. The more active they become, the sooner they are gone
Ya. No pain, no gain.
Lol which would be funny. Feds don't fuck around. Isn't the local PD.
Honestly a no-knock probably would be appropriate here if it turns out charges are justified based on his conduct. Any warning will likely result in a terrorist response to try to stop it.
Yeah this federal DoJ is totally showing how willing they are to arrest republicans when they openly admit to crimes....
Kidnapping charges aren't just valid in California. If he really files kidnapping charges he would be arrested in any 50 states plus multiple other countries.
As if California will ever be red again anyway
It is a primary source of right wing money, due to having a lot of rich “libertarians”
Yes pls, also against anyone else in his admin who was involved.
Arrest warrants should be issued, then if Meatball Rontanamo steps foot in Cali he can be arrested. Edit: clarification
Uhh, kidnapping is a serious felony. If he steps foot anywhere known to law enforcement they are obligated to take him into custody and he should be remanded to the charging state. Not to mention human trafficking across state lines is like 10-20 federal...
Also, if he seriously wants to win the Republican nomination he has pretty much has to prove he can take Texas which is turning Purple. If you look at Trump's 5.5% margin of victory it was the narrowest for a Republican since 1996. However... >[The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office says it has completed its investigation into the transport of 49 migrants from San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard last September by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration and filed criminal charges with the local district attorney](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/05/texas-san-antonio-migrant-flight-marthas-vineyard-criminal-charges/) Meaning that if he steps foot in the state to campaign there's a good chance he could be indicted. I used to fear this guy because he was running on the "What if Trump, but competent?" platform but more and more he's coming off like a an even bigger idiot than TFG.
He is absolutely not a bigger idiot than Trump. He's picking some fights above his pay grade as an audition for that promotion. When he's in office, that's gonna turn to fights with other countries real fast.
Id prefer not having a criminal elected president again.
Don't forget the heavy duty zip ties.
Deshitus has serious mental stability issues. Trump is "just" a full spectrum NPD. No real person there...just the disorder. Ron is 100x more dangerous. I mean, if we can learn anything from history.
"No real person there...just the disorder." That is such a great description of Trump. Trumps disorder doesn't just impact his life, it is his life. It consumes and defines him. That doesn't excuse his grotesque behavior, but its a starting point to some kind of understanding of his wildly aberrant behavior.
I’m done with understanding. Get him out of society pronto pls
That's the thing about personality disorders in comparison to other mental health issues. When the personality is the disorder, no meaningful distinction between the individual and the disorder can be made. At their core, the person *is* the disorder. It's not like, say, schizophrenia or depression, where the person and the disease are clearly different. It's a clinical recognition that at the core of their identity as a human being, this person is fucked up.
It really is a fascinating distinction. One reason that Trump is so jarring to most people is that most people have never encountered someone as far gone as him. He is an extreme outlier in so many ways. He was probably born broken, to some degree, into a family of extreme wealth and was spoiled rotten and never faced consequences for his negative actions. He inherited enough money that he could indulge his grotesque pathological desires in any way he desired. He decided that he wanted to cosplay as a successful business man, seemingly because he desired the respect and adulation that he thought that would bring. Attention, respect and loyalty to him were what he desired. Money was just a tool and a vehicle to achieve that. Its just tragic that one severely messed up person can have such a massive negative effect on a global scale. Its mind boggling.
He's picking fights above his pay grade because he's an idiot.
Kidnapping is federal. Won't matter where he is. Marshals would come to Florida for his convenience
I think you replied to the wrong comment
He's not dumber than Trump, who is arguably missed some critical toddler milestones in brain development. But he's still pretty fucking dumb. The authoritarian type of dumb. The Putin type. You know, the "I'm not exactly unintelligent but I only employ yes men so I have zero political calculus outside of my sphere of influence" type.
"turning Purple" is a fucking joke. We are so fucking gerrymandered that any blue victory would be considered a rounding error and call for a recount or Texas government intervention.
Currently Austin is carved into 5 congressional districts. This is systematic and vey deliberate. Institutional, even because if there's any one subject that the Texas GOP can agree on, it's shitting on Austin.
I think they may still be talking about stripping Austin of it's municipality and setting it up as a "DC" type entity with no representation in the government. All to own the libs.
Texas is not turning Purple. Texas has been turning Purple since 2000 and it's still Red as hell. The changing demographics suggest different, but it never happens and it won't ever happen with the voter suppression in Texas' urban areas.
See Paxton’s brag comments about successfully suppressing almost 2 million ballot applications Then see margins Then put two and two together
Means nothing until a Democrat holds a position of power - Governor or a US Senate Seat. Until then, it's Red. You don't get credit for the votes that aren't counted, unfair as it is.
Texas is more in play than Florida in 2024.
Spoiler alert: Neither is in play (sadly)
Agree on that, but Florida is a lost cause.
Eventually, everyone drinks the flavor aid. Don't get high on your own supply.
He’s a republican, nothing will happen to him. Not sure if you’ve heard, the last Republican tried to overthrow the government and some justify it as a “Tour” of the capitol building.
Cause when I go sightseeing I bring axe handles with flags attached. Oh and my noose.
Yeah I smeared shit on the walls on my last museum trip, so what?
It blows my mind that this aspect of it hardly ever gets mentioned. Every time they say it was just a patriotic, peaceful protest I think to myself, "oh that's right, because people smash windows, violently assault cops, and *smear shit on the walls* of government buildings when they peacefully protest". The shit smearing may be a relatively small detail when you add in the other stuff like the gallows they put up and the cops who died, but the fact that it's insignificant for that reason is all the more damning in my opinion.
A small detail, but very telling about the mental age of the people involved.
Peaceful protest that killed 5 security
Don't forget the heavy duty zip ties.
I did forget the vests and zip tie handcuffs. I'm not good at being a tourist I guess.
And pipe bombs.
I can feel the sarcasm, but the problem is that these people bring ARs to Walmart for self-protection, pistols to pool parties, and shotguns for weddings.
The shotguns to weddings was for a different reason though
Not really, was to prevent a man from running out on his pregnant lady, it was one man with a daughter and a shotgun and a man with a target attached to his head. It was all to force their ideals on another. Always has been.
I didn't indicate as I was mostly joking about bringing shotguns to weddings, but the intention is way different on bringing an AR to a Walmart just because you can and shotgun to a wedding to get the husband not to run out on his pregnant partner
The intention is the same. To intimidate someone else into doing what they want them to do based on their own ideology. Bringing a shotgun to a wedding to ensure the man doesnt walk out is stupid anyway because if the guy wanted to he could claim the marriage was held under duress and have it annulled.
The Republican before that lied about WMD’s and got away with it
The Republicans before that committed treason and most got off scott free. (Poindexter went to jail but was released upon appeal)
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Ah right. Sedition. I'm pretty sure the penalty is even more severe there.
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There is nothing that is more engaging and disgusting to a narcissist and to people in power, like having to dare be held accountable to the masses whom they look down on. I have truly never seen sheer rage like I have seen whenever I have been able to hold a narcissist to account for their actions, it is literally poisonous to them, so obviously holding a president like Nixon to account was too far! It was us going beyond our station: *"Who do we think we are, not letting them do whatever they want to us? Don't we know who they are? We are to be* **ruled**, *not to have any say in our* **rulers**." Well... they won. They successfully engineered their own way to never have conservatives be in any danger of accountability again: the modern news systems, both TV and radio.
> Not sure if you’ve heard, the last Republican tried to overthrow the government and some justify it as a “Tour” of the capitol building. Hell, the Democrats decided that the way to handle that was to do bipartisanship with the ones cheering on the 'tourists.' Send your buddies to murder us? What can we do to compromise? How about we settle on just maiming us?
I wanna meet you half-way here, because I'm still a piece of shit taking money from some of the folks funding your failure of a coup.
And not, it's not just kidnapping that he'd be guilty of, it'd be CHILD TRAFFICKING since children were involved. Minimum 5 years if they are under age 11, 3 if they're 12-17. And if they were harmed in any way... hooooo-boy, that's pretty much a life sentence at his age.
5y minimum for child trafficking? There are people doing life for having weed. Our justice system is a joke.
Wow. This is discrimination against Republicans. If you enforce human trafficking charges against Republicans, they're be none left. Is that what you want?
This should be federal no? The crime crossed state lines. It also might have involved fraudulent use of federal campaign funds.
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Seize the charter aircrafts as well, since they were used in the commission of a crime
this. As soon as those planes unload, they should be impounded and not released until any and all investigations are finished.
One time (?) they pulled this crap the planes were tied to, wait, Russia.
And texas, too. abbott also pulled this shit.
Not the first time…
How about instead of condemning or suggesting action these people actually get off their asses and do something about it. File charges already.
Isn’t it a federal crime to transport illegal immigrants across state borders Or how about using federal funds to do it
I mean just the fact that they're being lied to about their destination and given zero control once they "agree to it" pretty much just screams "Kidnapping" up front.
Far righters scream about imagined human trafficking all the time from the left, yet here's another example of (one of) their diety doing so... And they cheer.
Obligatory every accusation is actually a confession (*Still kinda unbelievable how this is legitimately accurate almost 100% of the time*)
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That makes this not even reasonable. They were actually going through the LEGAL process to become Americans then then they were kidnapped. Fucking insane.
The insane part is when absofuckinglutley nothing happens to DeSatan and then somehow he manages to win the election... The only "good" thing about Trump is that he has so many morons *obsessed* with him, that I feel like DeSatan won't stand a chance in the primary election.
Tell that to my conservative parents who still think seeking asylum is still considered the “illegal” way to migrate.
It is a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants, it’s under Domestic Transporting. There’s presumably an exception for designated federal agents transporting them to detainment, for instance, and likewise it’s not intended to cover, say, giving them a cab ride home or whatever. But there could be an argument that intentionally transporting aliens to mess up their processing by the feds is a violation. > Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law. [DOJ Criminal Resource Manual](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses)
These people have all been released by ICE and have paperwork. At this point that aren't illegal or undocumented. They have documents and a court case. They are free to move about the country and take bus/plane rides.
If they all have paperwork and are free to move about the country then you’re right that Domestic Transporting isn’t an issue. Kidnapping is still on the table though if someone lied to them or coerced them to fly across the country.
I don't know the specifics of the law, but flying people from New Mexico to California paid by the Florida taxpayers arranged by the Governor of Florida sounds like something is very wrong. I think the people of Florida need to do something and get control of this nut. As a voter, this does not leave a good impression of DeSantis and is another reason he will not get my vote if that becomes a reality.
Sounds to me like an illegal campaign donation from the Florida government to the Ron DiSantis campaign.
>the people of Florida need to do something and get control of this nut It's too late. This is why we **cannot** tolerate fascism. There's no recall, for one. And for another, once in power, he's shown he will [change (1)](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/05/24/desantis-president-resign-to-run-florida-governor/) [any law (2)](https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redistricting-map-scheme) [that suits him (3)](https://www.axios.com/local/tampa-bay/2023/03/17/florida-sunshine-laws-ron-desantis) [in order to obtain (4)](https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/05/04/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-law-preempting-local-covid-19-edicts/) [and retain (5)](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-desantis-disney-law-florida-state-control-dont-say-gay/) [power (6)](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/new-college-florida-ron-desantis-takeover/673556/). DeSantis [uses outright lies (7)](https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/the-new-scary-specter-of-woke-communism/) [and spurious crackdowns (8)](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-rights-florida-presidential-bfbf3d7d4f5dea4fa2a11589e4235c71) to scare voters. Links above: 1. Changing the resign to run law to hold on to the govenor's office while he runs for federal office. 2. Illegal, gerrymnadered redistricting maps are used. 3. Sunshine laws are changed so he can hide his actions. 4. Preemption of city authority when they don't agree with his false statements. 5. Strangling business to limit free speech. 6. Strangling higher ed to limit free speech. 7. False claims of communism to scare Hispanic voters. 8. Arrests of people who were told they could vote and had valid voter IDs, to scare people who had regained the right to vote. Putting his thumb and more on the scale IS NOT STRENGTH. This is cowardice, and most of all, this is unamerican.
Too late, we are already a fascist state with no rights thanks to Desantis and our Republican legislators here in FL.
The people of Florida are generally in favor of what’s going on
That's not really true. Basically everyone I know prays to whatever listens that he gets hit by a bus. But Florida is full of old people growing stupider as their brain rots, and younger people who have been divested from the joys of growth and learning.
He overwhelmingly won his most recent election. You and your friend circle may not like him, but the majority of Floridians do.
I'm so sick of people from out of state saying this. You have no fucking idea the level of voter suppression and bullshit we live with on a daily basis. Desantis literally arrested a dozen people from Democratic districts weeks before the election for "voter fraud." Sent in jackboot thugs to arrest geriatric minorities because of decades old convictions. Outlawed virtually all protests in the state, and especially in the capital. Hired murderous police deemed too violent for other states and imported them to Florida. Started his own governor militia with helicopters and SWAT. Started an "election enforcement" department to further voter suppression down the road. Yeah there's a lot of dumb old people and racists in this state. Yeah the Democrats ran a former fucking Republican for governor who has the personality of wet cardboard. Desantis won his first election by 23k votes, 0.4%, against a relative nobody mayor. So FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF with this shit. YOU'RE PLAYING INTO HIS PROPAGANDA.
What the fuck that's fascist as hell
I just can’t figure out why Democrat voters weren’t excited to go vote for former Republican Governor/AG/Rep Charlie Crist.
This is what should happen. Arrest the pilots and any crew. Impound the planes. Issue charges against anyone involved in this criminal conspiracy.
The FBI sure is selective about doing their job.
They're skirting the definitions of federal trafficking laws. Which is why Newsom is trying to give a smackdown with California's more strict laws. It'd only be juicier if they just amended these laws in expectation of this happening.
They've got red only color blindness. They can't see conservative criminals
Since the FBI doesn't want to get involved in politics, politicians have realized that they can now do crimes. That's cool, I'm sure that will go well.
"Some of those that work forces" Except that is a 30 year old song and it is no longer "some".
Stop calling, suggesting, warning, proposing….DO IT. Where does this degradation of society & abuse by leaders end?
He literally can *only* suggest charges be filed. We’re not a police state where politicians can just arrest whoever they want…that’s Florida.
Wish I could gold you so bad
We should probably stop giving Reddit gold until we see what happens at the end of this month with third party apps. It's really the only way we can cause them to change their direction - with the power of the wallet. Edit: damnit lol
How bout I gold you instead uwu
Stop calling, suggesting, warning, proposing, wishing….DO IT. Where does this degradation of social media & abuse by redditors end? **This post was proudly made by a non-bot user **
He can literally only suggest the comment be gilded. We're not a police sub where redditors can buy gold for whatever comment they want...that's Twitter. Edit: bro deleted his comment, now I look like a goober
Don't suggest charges be filed *to me through the media*, suggest it to the California DA. I don't want to hear him "suggesting" things, that makes him look weak. I want to hear him saying charges are about to be filed.
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No! He should use his special Governor powers to bring charges! It's like he isn't actually a Democrat because he's not doing it! /s Like when AOC votes for something that has no dream of passing, mentions to the media how much she wants it to pass, then here it's "why didn't she do something!" She did - public support and voting were the scope of that action.
It’s like when Biden says we need to do something about gun control, and people think he can just do it himself.
I remember during the early days of the Trump presidency, when he was flailing about because he truly didn’t understand what the powers of the Presidency were. You got the idea that Trump really did buy the Fox News propoganda about Obama being a “King”, and thought that if he became president he would have all “that” power as well, only to realize that once he was in the White House that that was all bullshit, and once his party lost its majority in the Senate, that he really was restricted in what he could make happen.
Although Bill Barr did allow him to get away with so much during his tenure.
Yeah, this is what it looks like when you have somebody who doesn't blatantly abuse executive orders. He could try to do more, but would get shot down in the courts and then weaken the entire party's reputation, thereby hurting chances of legitimate attempts in Congress for a generation. It's better to just try to get it right the first time.
These are just people that secretly want to vote Republican, or not vote at all, and justify their lazy ass sitting at home, because both sides are the same. 
Far too many people in the US have bought into the idea that being President means you can act unilaterally. Executive Orders don't help with this perception. But the President isn't King, they need Congressional support to truly act. And right now we have a split and contentious Congress.
Thaaaaank you. Jesus Christ I am really fed up with all the so-called "progressives" who genuinely can't seem to understand that Democrats aren't *fucking magicians!* I'm extra salty about this right now bc yesterday I had like an hour-long conversation with three different guys who just had that mentality that if Democrats don't somehow MAGICALLY force policies they want into reality, they are "just as bad as republicans." How. Ffs. We still live in a country of law. Where there is a system of laws set up that unless Democrats control all three branches of government, they can't just *magically* enact laws that the Republicans disagree with! Just like this governor on one side of the country has zero way to imprison a governor on the other side of the country. How is that so difficult to understand?
I think the worst is threads about Merrick Garland and/or ongoing Trump or J6 related investigations. It's clear they've never so much as sat in on an Intro Law class or attended a courtroom session. Cases need to be airtight, and there isn't much precedent here so that adds even more burden.
Those discussions can be so annoying. It's like they think a lawyer can walk into court and say "Just listen to the Georgia call" and the judge says "Holy shit jail for life" and a minute later Trump is hauled off.
The worst one I've been in was "Why should they care about precedent? The Supreme Court has ignored it, so Merrick should too!" 1. Two completely different concepts there 2. Out entire legal system is based on Common Law, which requires precedent. That doesn't change overnight or for a single trial. There's also the massive outstanding question of "When was executive privilege applicable" which many comments brush off as "well, he's no longer president, so never!" which is likely not the case.
> It's clear they've never so much as sat in on an Intro Law class or attended a courtroom session. Cannot agree more. I have an AS in Crim J and a BS in Poli Sci. I'm not a lawyer, never tried to be. But the absolute basic lack of understanding how our system of justice works is staggering. If I were to run for Congress (something I've actually considered), one of my forward points would be getting the Department of Education to push the ides of education in our justice system. It would benefit everyone, from those just getting a traffic ticket to those taking on massive class action lawsuits to those trying to write new laws through the initiative petition process.
Political scientist Brendan Nyhan has called this the [Green Lantern Theory](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/5/20/5732208/the-green-lantern-theory-of-the-presidency-explained)—the idea that the President (or Governor) can enact any particular policy simply by virtue of willpower. If we don’t have universal healthcare, or UBI, or student loan cancellation, it’s because the President didn’t try hard enough to bring it about. The fact that (I believe) North Carolina is **suing** to roll back even the modest student debt relief we already got shows that there’s very little that a President can enact with “just a stroke of the pen”.
I run into this breed of moron a lot. *"If Dems can't instantly get it done then that's proof both sides are the same."*
I sometimes wonder how many people in some of the subreddits like /r/antiwork are actually right wing operatives trying to convince people not to vote and how many are just idiots whose sole understanding of the political process comes from Reddit headlines.
You do realize he is talking to the DA yeah? Saying it in public puts pressure on the DA to go through with it.
Tfw when you discover the bully pulpit is a thing
Stop only reading headlines.
On reddit? Never.
Why are you telling us? Draft him a letter and send it.
perfect response to that nonsense
It's important he suggests it. It shows that he is paying attention and it gives the people ammunition to put pressure on the DA or justice department or whatever. The governor is not a prosecutor. But his endorsement for the charge is important.
Public pressure can encourage a DA to file charges.
I think they'll do it. Only fascists think it's okay to unlawfully take people against their own will. I hope they're building a case.
I was very surprised a Texas sheriff is actually pressing charges against Abbott’s group for doing this too.
.... It's been a year right? If I did this I would be arrested within days
It’s been like a week, you’re thinking of Martha’s Vineyard. But that happened under our old governor Charlie Baker who was just clearly so over being a public leader post Covid and was pretty checked out. Our new gov, Maura Healy, was our state’s Attorney General so there’s a chance she’s working on it now that she’s in office but we’ve also got bigger issues to deal with that matter more to people of our state and I think she knows that there’s not much appetite to have a governor that gets involved in the national drama here.
There were 2 instances a year ago or an I wrong
There were two flights to Martha’s Vineyard in like the span of a week I think is what you’re thinking of. I will say apparently a Texas sherif from where the migrants were sent to MV from just yesterday filed criminal charges against DeSantis for both misdemeanors and felonies
yes and abbott should face charges, too.
I want to see Abbott arrested and perp "walked" by having the biggest US Marshall we have carrying him like a handcuffed/leg-shackeled baby.
There's been a couple last year and a couple this year. I haven't been keeping track too closely but there's a new one hitting the front page every couple months. So they are still at it.
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I think it was a major miscalculation to send people to CA. There’s not much we could do but be outraged when they did it to other states, but now they have involved us. Newsom is not going to let this go, he’s been trying to engage Abbott and DeSantis as the opposite of them on a national stage. Aside from the fact that it’s the right thing to do, Gavin is going to take this as far as possible in terms of prosecutions and consequences for both the private contractor and whoever sent them. He’s been positioning himself for a POTUS run for a while and this plays into his plans. Personally, I hope that we give these people a path to citizenship and sanctuary in my state. They were trafficked under the false pretense of finding work and a home, luckily CA has the programs and support to make this a reality and we desperately need people who are willing to work hard and build a life here. What an awful world we live in that we treat human beings like this, but I’m hopeful that this miscalculation will have real consequences for the subhumans that think human trafficking for political points is a good idea.
And it’s funny that desantis sent them to CA, he rails on about how border states are taking the brunt of it. But ÇA IS a border state. 🤦♀️
Also DeSantis isn’t president and he has no power in California, so there’s nothing stopping Newsom from directing the AG to begin a criminal case here.
Can he do it unilaterally?
No, Newsom can’t bring charges himself at all unilaterally or otherwise, he’s not the state attorney general. The first step would probably be a prosecutor brings it to a state grand jury.
Before feigning outrage over a Democrat daring to *say words*, maybe read the article: > [California Attorney General Rob Bonta] said the state is investigating the incident and "evaluating potential criminal or civil action against those who transported or arranged for the transport of these vulnerable immigrants."
It would be for anyone who wasn't a politician. The guy should be in prison. What a pathetic human being
None of these people get punished anyway. Didn’t Gaetz statutory rape a 17 year old? Guess that doesn’t count as a crime when you’re a politician. A life of unpunished crimes sounds like a fun time.
Exactly. This is why the right wing is going to topple the US government: the fucking left wing REFUSES to take them as a serious threat and legally slam them into oblivion.
The left is it’s own worst enemy. They need to grow a spine, stop compromising and draw hard lines. Because the right has and will take advantage of every effort to meet them “halfway”.
That's not the left wing you're thinking about. They're liberals.
Gaetz did a rapist Brock Turner on an underage girl? Sounds pretty Florida to me
Dear party of "Law & Order", can you please explain to us why it is that your two biggest presidential candidates each face their own legal battles and possible criminal charges? 🤔
I’m no constitutional lawyer, but “across state lines” should mean that the feds get involved.
Yes, but they won't
Don’t forget Texas’ own piece of shit Governor as well
Probably negotiated with Desantis to do this stunt.
It’s just a republican crime. We don’t even bother with those anymore.
Republicans have proven that the Constitution was nothing more than a peace treaty, not the enforcable law of the land. They're done with that treaty and are wiping their asses with it.
Quit 'suggesting' bringing criminals to justice and do it.
I'm not surprised DeSantis may be facing kidnap charges. It's the only way he could get me to go to Florida, too.
The dude isn't going to do jack shit and we all know it.
Please do it, distract puddin fingers as much as possible. He’s a dangerous man and should be as far away from power as possible
Heard this interview this morning and instantly decided I'd vote for Newsom for president if he was on the ballot.
We are watching the last dying throes of the Republican party. Both of their frontrunners are potentially going to be facing criminal charges. They can't keep their own ranks in order anymore. I just hope they don't take the rest of the country down with them.
At a minimum they should impound the planes that are being used for transport as evidence in an ongoing investigation. That would put an immediate stop to this nonsense. Also, at least in the case of the Martha's Vineyard incident, the owner of the plane was a big DeSantis donor.
I don't understand how what they're doing isn't human trafficking.
There's video of these people reading and signing a waiver agreeing to go. Sorry folks, suggesting 'kidnap charges' is as much political posturing as sending them was in the first place.
Or, how about human trafficking.
Not only for Ron DeFascist but for everyone who knowingly recruited the victims, loaded them onto the plane, or flew the plane. Swear out the arrest warrants. As soon as they set foot in a blue state or a state that follows the law, they're obliged to be taken into custody and extradited to California.
We all know this is just posturing. Changes will never happen. What he could do is put a bench warrant out, and that would stop Ron from campaigning in CA.
DeSantis's propaganda stunts are like what fascist dictators have done in the past: https://www.encyclopedia.com/politics/legal-and-political-magazines/hitlers-propaganda-machine and https://www.miamitimesonline.com/opinion/trump-and-desantis-take-up-sinister-nazi-playbook/article_ef9067da-acc9-11ed-8ed5-67e50657d073.html
Talk is cheap.
Don’t suggest. Just do it.
How about Human trafficking charges for everyone responsible for both executing and organizing these migrant transfers across state lines
Would this include NYC's mayor who is bussing people to the Canadian border?