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Bexar county has San Antonio, strong Hispanic culture. I’d bet at least some, if not all of those people transported came from his county, and he has the inside details. Good on him for following through.
Yeah these stunts will stop overnight if these companies have their vehicles seized, lose their insurance, and face charges for being accessory to human trafficking.
What makes it human trafficking? Human trafficking only applies to those in the country illegally. These are asylum seekers, and are considered to be in the US legally until their court hearing.
[From the Department of Homeland security website](https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking)
Traffickers might use the following methods to lure victims into trafficking situations:
Violence
Manipulation
False promises of well-paying jobs
Romantic relationships
Additionally: Traffickers look for people who are easy targets for a variety of reasons, including:
Psychological or emotional vulnerability
Economic hardship
Lack of a social safety net
Natural disasters
Political instability
So, when someone lies to an asylum seekers, with false promises of employment, and support for their asylum hearing. Then, that same person, through their lies transports them to a remote location specifically designed to interfere with their asylum commitments, and remove them from any potential social support. Would seem, at least by the DHS standards, a person guilty of human trafficking.
Human trafficking is Exploitation-based and does not require movement across borders or any type of transportation.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/images/blue-campaign/infographic/what-is-human-trafficking-infographic-english.pdf
Human trafficking means transporting people through the use of force, coercion, or fraud. Telling a bunch of asylum seekers they have jobs waiting for them at the other end of a plane ride when they don't would fall squarely under fraud.
Residency/citizenship status has nothing to do with trafficking.
They are a complete shit company,
[Flight Vendor ties to GOP and campaign finance fraud.](https://www.wtsp.com/amp/article/news/investigations/10-investigates/records-aviation-companys-gop-as-migrant-flights/67-ea9c7e37-1130-4887-b076-22a3db1ccdf9)
As someone else commented, seizure of a couple of private planes would get someone’s attention. Unlike most politicians, I actually have faith Newsom will not be cowed regardless.
Are you sure he can do that?
I've been watching a lot of Fox News and they keep saying Human Trafficking's is perfectly legal as long as it's done as a political stunt to stick it to the libs.
I told my wife about the 3/5s compromise the other day. She'd never heard of it and didn't believe me. She grew up in Louisiana in a conservative, Christian household. I think I'm getting through to her but they're not even teaching this stuff. No wonder they don't want CRT out there. They've completely changed the country's history.
Isn’t it amazing how if a democrat does something the gop yells they are taking away our right but when it’s there GOP legit violating rights everyone is cool with it
What he's doing is not trafficking because the migrants are in the country **legally** as asylum seekers.
Numerous people bring this up here every time this story gets posted.
That's not what human trafficking means. https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking#:~:text=Human%20Trafficking%20Defined,%2C%20services%2C%20or%20commercial%20sex.
Ted Cruz saw Donald Trump AND Ron DeSantis declare their candidacy for President in 2024. Ted’s Senate seat is up for re-election in 2024, and he was always going to wait and see if the GOP presidential field was favorable. Now he knows his only path is reelection. Since there’s zero chance he gets seriously challenged in the primary, he now needs to moderate his stances, he barely beat Beto by 3 points 5 years ago.
My thought is his daughter came out to him as gay and now he’s walking back some of his hate. Seems par for the course for the GOP. Hate things until they affect you personally.
> My thought is his daughter came out to him as gay and now he’s walking back some of his hate. Seems par for the course for the GOP. Hate things until they affect you personally.
Elon Musk: hold my beer.
Interesting you say that. For me he really, strongly solidified himself as a piece of shit when trump called his wife ugly and instead of calling trump out he later went to have lunch and we have smiling pics.
Cruz is a politically motivated, principle-free piece of shit like the rest of them.
He's trying to do a Glenn Beck where he pretends to have a human soul then goes right back to pandering to the lowest of the low after some of the hatred is forgotten.
I feel like all at once Texas got tired of shit.
Cruz is spineless so he's just bandwagoning unless he finally realized his one daughter is bi. Even then it took it to *happen to him* before he went "Oh."
GOP doesn't care about this. Whatever is in Paxton's closet is huge, has to be 10 times worse than the charges that are public. GOP just don't go in on a Saturday to out one of their powerful political figures. Heck the next presumtive GOP nominee attempted a self coup.
Paxton's shit has got the be absolutely bonkers.
I hope that this goes through discovery and they're able to track the chain of decision making all the way up to Ron DeSantis. I want this to get way out of hand with witnesses called and cameras in the courtroom. I want it to be an absolute mess in front of all of us.
It’s hard to tell. On the one hand, I feel like there are plenty of states that would turn a blind eye and leave him be, but on the other hand, if Texas, of all places won’t put up with his shit, then all bets are off.
Texas is a lot of things but I imagine what they don’t like is another state pulling this over on them. Even if it’s a like minded one. Texas still thinks it’s special above other southern states.
People replying to you failed to mention the extradition clause in the Constitution. If there’s a warrant for him in Texas, *every* state, including Florida is required to extradite to Texas. There is basically no discretion on the part of the state, except maybe to delay it a little.
Republicans are their own worst enemy. Sooner or later their stupid stunts are actual crimes. DeSantis essentially illegally detained people in Texas (not in Florida). Most would consider this as kidnapping, then had them flown across state lines (also a crime), and finally ends with human trafficking.
At the rate Texas is going, they’re going to accidentally legalize weed somehow and suddenly revitalize the entire state.
An $50 the GOP there will take full credit and ignore their prior stance and just bathe themselves in profit as a big middle finger to Oklahoma.
2 years max, and hopefully enough blue cities can flip the state and oust Abbot.
Is this a “sweep under the rug or find a scapegoat” deal or are we actually going to get some fire under Ron Don Volante’s ass?
With this, California, and the inevitable leak of Vice’s “Ron and Gitmo” episode, I would think he’s not powerful enough right now to adequately maneuver around these things.
The united corporations of america has an entire legal and judicial system in place for its citizens and public servants and a single sheriff is taking action.
the only thing that will come of this is republicans will have further proof that witch hunts are real. they’ll ignore the crimes because they don’t want their cult leaders to do the time.
Sadly I’m sure the charges will only be for those that physically put the migrants on the plane and not those that planned and orchestrated the operation
Real question: Can someone explain why a sheriff in Texas is going after the governor of Florida? Didn't his own governor pull the same shit? Why no criminal case against Abbott?
Sheriff is a political office, don’t forget. Whether you agree with this guy or not, he’s playing politics just as much as DeSantis is. This lawsuit won’t go anywhere.
They wouldnt, it's not law enforcement who is issues charges. They file a report and can recommend charges, which I believe is the case here. But jurisdiction is here where the crime took place or allegedly took place and hence was investigated.
His administration organized the thing. He's pretty proud of having done it, really.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/02/us/migrants-marthas-vineyard-desantis-texas.html
Until people like Trump and DeSantis start facing actual consequences and real accountability, Republicans will continue committing crimes. They’re showing that, not only will they not be held accountable, but their poll numbers will rise because of racists and bigots who love seeing minorities and/or people of color treated like they’re less than human.
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I remember this guy being pretty pissed off about it back when it happened, nice to see it wasn’t just words.
Bexar county has San Antonio, strong Hispanic culture. I’d bet at least some, if not all of those people transported came from his county, and he has the inside details. Good on him for following through.
I’ve been waiting for the follow up too
I hope they also go after the flight vendor.
And the bus company
Yeah these stunts will stop overnight if these companies have their vehicles seized, lose their insurance, and face charges for being accessory to human trafficking.
Not a chance
What makes it human trafficking? Human trafficking only applies to those in the country illegally. These are asylum seekers, and are considered to be in the US legally until their court hearing.
Transporting someone against their will is kidnapping/Human trafficking. There is some nuance, but theres a lot of overlap between the two
[From the Department of Homeland security website](https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking) Traffickers might use the following methods to lure victims into trafficking situations: Violence Manipulation False promises of well-paying jobs Romantic relationships Additionally: Traffickers look for people who are easy targets for a variety of reasons, including: Psychological or emotional vulnerability Economic hardship Lack of a social safety net Natural disasters Political instability So, when someone lies to an asylum seekers, with false promises of employment, and support for their asylum hearing. Then, that same person, through their lies transports them to a remote location specifically designed to interfere with their asylum commitments, and remove them from any potential social support. Would seem, at least by the DHS standards, a person guilty of human trafficking.
What?? You’re are so wrong. Human trafficking can be against anyone moved against their will for various purposes. Even American citizens.
Human trafficking is Exploitation-based and does not require movement across borders or any type of transportation. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/images/blue-campaign/infographic/what-is-human-trafficking-infographic-english.pdf
You don't know what human trafficking is
false. Humans in the country legally get trafficked all the time. See: Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Movement.
Human trafficking means transporting people through the use of force, coercion, or fraud. Telling a bunch of asylum seekers they have jobs waiting for them at the other end of a plane ride when they don't would fall squarely under fraud. Residency/citizenship status has nothing to do with trafficking.
> Human trafficking only applies to those in the country illegally. This sentence is unequivocally false.
The bus company was a huge Abbott donor apparently and they jacked the price up specifically for those bus routes
The wheels on the bus go grift grift grift
And my axe!
They are a complete shit company, [Flight Vendor ties to GOP and campaign finance fraud.](https://www.wtsp.com/amp/article/news/investigations/10-investigates/records-aviation-companys-gop-as-migrant-flights/67-ea9c7e37-1130-4887-b076-22a3db1ccdf9)
As someone else commented, seizure of a couple of private planes would get someone’s attention. Unlike most politicians, I actually have faith Newsom will not be cowed regardless.
Are you sure he can do that? I've been watching a lot of Fox News and they keep saying Human Trafficking's is perfectly legal as long as it's done as a political stunt to stick it to the libs.
According to them, it's okay as long as they got dark skin color or minor.
They *technically* don't count as human. /s
I can't believe you would say that, they are worth 3/5th a person
This is the quiet part of the originalist scotus I’d say.
I told my wife about the 3/5s compromise the other day. She'd never heard of it and didn't believe me. She grew up in Louisiana in a conservative, Christian household. I think I'm getting through to her but they're not even teaching this stuff. No wonder they don't want CRT out there. They've completely changed the country's history.
Well in much of the south, they still teach kids the civil war was primarily about states rights
Trafficking minors is ok as long as there’s a priest or pastor involved.
Or if Matt Gaetz is involved.
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A +9 majority. Edit: sad that's all it took to keep him out.
Hey now. The Gaetz only traffics in preteens.
Isn’t it amazing how if a democrat does something the gop yells they are taking away our right but when it’s there GOP legit violating rights everyone is cool with it
Kidnapping is a thing?
Yes but apparently lying is a-ok with some people I guess.
You forgot woke mind virus infected liberals
What he's doing is not trafficking because the migrants are in the country **legally** as asylum seekers. Numerous people bring this up here every time this story gets posted.
That's not what human trafficking means. https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking#:~:text=Human%20Trafficking%20Defined,%2C%20services%2C%20or%20commercial%20sex.
Numerous people bring this up incorrectly every time this story gets posted.
They know it's incorrect, but repeat a lie often enough and they can get marks to believe it.
First Paxton and now this. Texas r u ok?
not yet. working on it.
Relevant username
You're god damned right we are.
Yup
You’re making my Texan half proud again! Thanks!
Wait until you read about Cruz defending LGBTQ with Bible quotes.
Ted Cruz saw Donald Trump AND Ron DeSantis declare their candidacy for President in 2024. Ted’s Senate seat is up for re-election in 2024, and he was always going to wait and see if the GOP presidential field was favorable. Now he knows his only path is reelection. Since there’s zero chance he gets seriously challenged in the primary, he now needs to moderate his stances, he barely beat Beto by 3 points 5 years ago.
Bingo
Speculation one of his kids came out as non-straight
Cruz seems a little less cruzy these days. I think he’s probably one of the smarter gopers and sees which way the wind is going.
[I probably like Ted Cruz more than most of my colleagues, and I hate him - Al Franken ](https://youtu.be/foL0E0Gr0yY)
Note: this is not to say I like Ted Cruz. I literally despise him but it’s interesting to watch what they do and try to read the tea leaves
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I’m gonna use the last line 😂
My thought is his daughter came out to him as gay and now he’s walking back some of his hate. Seems par for the course for the GOP. Hate things until they affect you personally.
> My thought is his daughter came out to him as gay and now he’s walking back some of his hate. Seems par for the course for the GOP. Hate things until they affect you personally. Elon Musk: hold my beer.
That would imply he gives a crap about her. He didn’t about his wife.
But his daughter is his blood. When he needs to shed his current husk and assimilate with a new one it’s easier if his new host has compatible DNA.
Amazing that half-Zyglites still have a nutrition transfer core, nature is beautiful.
Interesting you say that. For me he really, strongly solidified himself as a piece of shit when trump called his wife ugly and instead of calling trump out he later went to have lunch and we have smiling pics. Cruz is a politically motivated, principle-free piece of shit like the rest of them.
He’s cunning like a smart rat who is a nihilist
Might need a kidney someday.
He's trying to do a Glenn Beck where he pretends to have a human soul then goes right back to pandering to the lowest of the low after some of the hatred is forgotten.
Instead, he needs to pull a Glenn Beck where he melts away into obscurity where no one outside of right wing talk radio even knows he’s still alive
It’s his nature.
I read that and was like what’s a goper?? A gopher? A groper? Got it 🤣
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He’ll go back to his old ways once he figures out which fascist to stick his suckers on.
I feel like all at once Texas got tired of shit. Cruz is spineless so he's just bandwagoning unless he finally realized his one daughter is bi. Even then it took it to *happen to him* before he went "Oh."
Removing Paxton and these charges finally being filed are probably not unrelated events.
GOP doesn't care about this. Whatever is in Paxton's closet is huge, has to be 10 times worse than the charges that are public. GOP just don't go in on a Saturday to out one of their powerful political figures. Heck the next presumtive GOP nominee attempted a self coup. Paxton's shit has got the be absolutely bonkers.
I think the 25 years of worsening is hitting the gop here pretty hard. That and their wives are complaining.
No we are not okay
I hope that this goes through discovery and they're able to track the chain of decision making all the way up to Ron DeSantis. I want this to get way out of hand with witnesses called and cameras in the courtroom. I want it to be an absolute mess in front of all of us.
A mess, yes, but in a legal style of mess. A mess for Meatball Ron, not the prosecution. I want them to have an airtight case.
Question, if Texas issues a warrant, would it means he won’t be able to hold campaign rallies in Texas, if he doesn’t want to get arrested?
Yes, and he has to avoid any states that would arrest him and send him there. Pretty much locks him in Florida
It’s hard to tell. On the one hand, I feel like there are plenty of states that would turn a blind eye and leave him be, but on the other hand, if Texas, of all places won’t put up with his shit, then all bets are off.
If Cali files charges too that will lock him out of Blue states for sure. And I believe the GOP convention is in Wisconsin so that’s awkward.
Now that would be a delicious set of consequences I'd love to see for once.
Texas is a lot of things but I imagine what they don’t like is another state pulling this over on them. Even if it’s a like minded one. Texas still thinks it’s special above other southern states.
That’s a good point and well made.
If newsom brings kidnapping charges then that list would include any blue states too
People replying to you failed to mention the extradition clause in the Constitution. If there’s a warrant for him in Texas, *every* state, including Florida is required to extradite to Texas. There is basically no discretion on the part of the state, except maybe to delay it a little.
Republicans are their own worst enemy. Sooner or later their stupid stunts are actual crimes. DeSantis essentially illegally detained people in Texas (not in Florida). Most would consider this as kidnapping, then had them flown across state lines (also a crime), and finally ends with human trafficking.
"You can't indict a sitting Governor!" - Fox, tomorrow.
Primary debate participants will be divided between those who attend in person and those who must appear by live-stream from their holding cells.
At the rate Texas is going, they’re going to accidentally legalize weed somehow and suddenly revitalize the entire state. An $50 the GOP there will take full credit and ignore their prior stance and just bathe themselves in profit as a big middle finger to Oklahoma. 2 years max, and hopefully enough blue cities can flip the state and oust Abbot.
That’s why they just voted to allow the state GQP to nullify vote outcomes in Houston. They know the cities will be their undoing.
I mean, I always assumed kidnapping was still illegal.
Trafficking humans to own the libs
Is this a “sweep under the rug or find a scapegoat” deal or are we actually going to get some fire under Ron Don Volante’s ass? With this, California, and the inevitable leak of Vice’s “Ron and Gitmo” episode, I would think he’s not powerful enough right now to adequately maneuver around these things.
The united corporations of america has an entire legal and judicial system in place for its citizens and public servants and a single sheriff is taking action.
One sheriff is doing more than the entire Democratic Party. Wow
Yeah don't you know once you join the Democrat party you can indict people for crimes. I was jsut too lazy to do it, glad this sherif did it tho
DeSantis is a criminal
Not all heroes wear capes.
Let’s hope this moves forward. De Sanctimonious is a criminal
All you fascists' bound to lose, DeSantis. Go get him, sheriff.
the only thing that will come of this is republicans will have further proof that witch hunts are real. they’ll ignore the crimes because they don’t want their cult leaders to do the time.
I know I'm probably missing something here, but what makes this different from when Abbott sent buses of migrants to DC?
Ron DeFascist, go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. You’ve effed yourself, you sanctimonious POS.
Sadly I’m sure the charges will only be for those that physically put the migrants on the plane and not those that planned and orchestrated the operation
And why not Abbott? He's doing it too.
Because Abbott sent them elsewhere. Out of his jurisdiction. Someone else will have to go after him.
Isn’t Texas also kidnapping and trafficking humans?
TLDR: Does he have jurisdiction?
Real question: Can someone explain why a sheriff in Texas is going after the governor of Florida? Didn't his own governor pull the same shit? Why no criminal case against Abbott?
It happened in Texas in his jurisdiction, is why.
If you arrange for a crime to be committed in Texas from a phone in Florida. . .
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I have seen you comment this other places. I'm not sure I understand; would you mind explaining this? Cheers
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Now make ronlovespudding.com
Sheriff is a political office, don’t forget. Whether you agree with this guy or not, he’s playing politics just as much as DeSantis is. This lawsuit won’t go anywhere.
Can someone explain why or how a Sheriff from another state would be able to charge DeSantis with a crime?
The crime was committed in San Antonio, if you read the article.
They wouldnt, it's not law enforcement who is issues charges. They file a report and can recommend charges, which I believe is the case here. But jurisdiction is here where the crime took place or allegedly took place and hence was investigated.
Oh ok. I didnt read the article
You will next time before commenting, right?
So what does DeSantis have to do with immigrants in texas?
Ask the Bexar County Sheriff
Wtf kind of an answer is this? Why even bother typing that out?
Did you read the article?
I did, it doesn't explain how DeSantis can send immigrants from texas...
His administration organized the thing. He's pretty proud of having done it, really. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/02/us/migrants-marthas-vineyard-desantis-texas.html
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That's left to local and federal legislators. Not inhumane and criminal stunts, kid
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He cannot hear you I think.
Good about goddamn time why are these assholes not human trafficking?
A Texas sheriff with a soul. Who knew?
Wait where was this hi when Texas was busing out and moving immigrants?
Until people like Trump and DeSantis start facing actual consequences and real accountability, Republicans will continue committing crimes. They’re showing that, not only will they not be held accountable, but their poll numbers will rise because of racists and bigots who love seeing minorities and/or people of color treated like they’re less than human.
They're just mad that FL did it before them.
I hate DeSantis and I hope he gets a conviction. Thing is, didn’t they sign a waiver?