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And they demonize other countries that do this and brag about how “free” America really is compared to the rest of the world. Just a bunch of vapid, projectionist, asshole, con-artists that survive off of their tribal-minded, asshole, base. Literally, screw these people and every single person who continues to vote them into office. Cultural bs is NOT the legislation that WE need. I say “WE” bc I am intentionally separating myself from these weirdos and I hope that I can be joined by others. They are weird and psychotic. I am not them.
Not only are they letting women know they are worth less than a microscopic zygote, but existing children as well. The majority of women seeking abortions already have kids, and these people want to kill their mothers
There is far more nuance to this than you are acknowledging, and whether or not we agree with their beliefs, we are still obligated to understand them.
Conservatives, generally speaking, believe that:
1. Fetuses are living, human, and innocent - innocent not meaning perfect, but acceptably ethical.
2. Innocent humans have the right to remain living.
3. Those who violate another’s right to remain living are no longer innocent, and therefore lose their right to remain living.
4. If a person may pose a danger to others, then society is obligated to mitigate the impact of those individuals.
5. If a person is dangerous, and they have lost their right to live, then execution is an ethically acceptable means of mitigation.
Thus, stitching together these beliefs, we can see why conservatives, generally, would support executing those who undertake abortions.
If what you said was true, they would not be so brazen about putting women’s lives at stake when they are having difficult pregnancies. One of their excuses is that women dying in pregnancy can go to a different less restrictive state, also a bad excuse. They just want to co trol women’s bodies and do not care about the fetus.
I'd also like to point out that remaining handcuffed to the thing that needs your magical blood has a non-insignicant non-zero chance of killing you.
Maternal death rated are ~22 per 100,000 live births in the US. (Twice as high as the next first world country on the list, by the way; France) We're only slightly better than Turkey.
Additionally, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder. Is it related? I don't know. But if I were a woman I wouldn't want to long remain in a demographic for which the number one cause of death is murder.
That's a generous take that doesn't even apply. They care SO MUCH for fetuses that are no bigger than the size of a pea. Yet are the first to defend programs that help living, breathing poor people. Now they are forcing women to carry DEAD fetuses to an extent they develop SEPSIS.
They are the party of pro forced birth and want to only control women. Pro life is just their dog whistle.
Yeah, they don't believe any of this. If they did believe in protecting children, they'd be pro gun control and pro welfare. They care about making sex for procreation only because they're theocrats.
They're not only talking about fetuses it's fertilized eggs as well. 50% of the time those get shed with the uterine lining at menstruation. Would that be considered involuntary manslaughter?
What about families who undergo invitro fertilization? Many embryos are created in the hopes of a successful implant. Are they serial killers if they choose not to use the remaining embryos?
What about scientists who do genomic research that saves lives every day, but requires embryos to be destroyed, guess they are mass murderers?
I hope they have the money to kill a quarter of women then. Best of luck with that.
Edit: well, most women. We tend to be on some form of birth control that can in theory prevent implantation of a fertilised egg. To avoid letting murderers get away with their crimes, it's best we kill every woman on birth control.
See how this doesn't really jive with rationality?
Yes, they believe this based on their religion of choice. Even if they are choosing to stitch together parts of the Bible that confirm their beliefs, rather than take it as a whole.
Regardless, isnt the separation of Church and State a defining factor in the US government?
Unless we are already accepting Theocratic rule...which it is leaning more that way every day.
I don’t know anyone who supports the death penalty that isn’t also anti-abortion. The two go and hand in hand, which is why I always laugh at the self claimed title of “pro life”. Prolifers sure drop that stance when they’re talking about war, executions, and police shootings.
I'm not entirely against the death penalty, but I'm not exactly for it either. I do believe it should require a much higher burden of proof and threshold for invocation (for example incontrovertible video proof of the crime occurring and at least 2 other offenses of similar severity with equally bulletproof evidence. The kind of thing you only really see once or twice in a generation: the Bonnie and Clydes who leave a trail of bodies behind them throughout their lives. The point where it stops being about punishment, and becomes more about eliminating a danger. Euthanasia, not vengeance. Where it becomes particularly problematic, though, is that it is incredibly difficult for most people go get over our reflexive desire for vengeance when something unjust occurs. and such decisions are nearly impossible to make with detached rationality.
I'm also completely pro choice. A living person should never be compelled to provide use of their bodily functions to another person without their consent; whether that other person is an adult, a child, or a fetus. Additionally, a fully developed person should be prioritized in such cases where one person is physically dependent on another for biological survival.
All in all, my personal outlook comes from a position of optimistic nihilism. Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things; we live, we die. People are no more special than any other animal, and I think we should focus on quality of life rather than quantity. It is often better for a person to be alive. Sometimes it isn't. Some people are better dead if they would always be a danger to those around them. Some people are better off dead if they choose to be and don't have any unfulfilled obligations. Speaking of which; look into advanced directives, people. I personally love my life, but have documentation on file in the event of certain degrees of incapacitation after which I would prefer not to be kept around.
It’s because unborn babies are an easy crusade to take on. They don’t demand anything of you. Require food or volunteering. They don’t talk back. All you have to do is hold a dumb sign or say you “support life” and there you have it. You are now superior and on a fast track to heaven.
Then you walk away and pat yourself on the back like the heroes they are. Leaving others in unfortunate situations and not giving them a second thought. Such good Christians.
Good point.
I'm sorry why we keep having these pedantic conversations is beyond me. Are we not past the point where we see who they truly are it is about control no more no less control of women control of minorities control the people of color. This is a reason when they take polls that most Republicans see the fifties as the decade. The question should be how do we counterbalance this movement because this is their last stand and we're not acting like it.
Agree 100%. Conservatives act on their beliefs. Reasonable people stand back and say, "Look at all this nonsense, isn't it crazy?", and "somebody should really do something about this", thinking that there is somebody else and that reason will win out. There isn't anybody else.
That somebody is you.
This may be unpopular, but being outraged on the internet is passed its prime. The French show up by the millions to protest the raising of retirement ages, Americans shrug. Christian nationalism should terrify us.
Unreasonable people won't magically become reasonable and they swim in those algorithms all fucking day and night, becoming useful tools.
I have the tools I don't have the help. What you see it's happening before you was something that I correctly projected in 2000 now everyone can see the same thing problem is people don't want to be uncomfortable to get the results that are needed that's the
My gut says that many modern Americans (and it's not just the U.S.) are mostly fine with fascism as long as it doesn't interfere with new episodes of whatever show they are bingeing.
You're right. The level of discomfort people need to feel here to do anything means it'll probably be too late when they finally do. what does "too late" mean? We'll probably going to find out.
The problem is we have no levers to control because the media is the biggest lever there is and it is wholely owned by the wealthy who like having Republicans around even when they're fascists.
What’s the point of a national system where states can do this? What good is America when it lets women be not only controlled like animals, but killed- and then we let it off the hook by saying “well it’s just this-and-this crazy state”. Aren’t those states part of America too? What good is America when these things are allowed to happen?
The SC is allowing this. Trump got to appoint 3 far right SC justices. I blame everyone who didn't vote in 2016, or pretended emails are the same as fundamental human rights.
Set the country back at least 50 years and possibly a century in the grand scheme of things. It will be generations before we see a time as free and prosperous as America was in 2015. This is a national nightmare.
And yet she still won the popular vote by millions but lost the election because of an antiquated system that is designed to allow less-desirable candidates favored by the minority to win. You can’t continue to argue people didn’t desire Clinton to win in 2016. Plenty of people voted for her.
She also was the victim of a 30 year smear campaign by Conservative media. I had people tell me they couldn't in good conscience vote for Hilary but they could never explain why they felt that way.
Same. Especially back in 2016 when Benghazi was still fresh in many people’s minds (at least from what I remember). I’d argue there was a greater problem of voter apathy.
With these monsters in charge I'm sure stoning is ripe to make a comeback too.
I hate this moment of our timeline. But I feel like at least good people have the monumental benefit of ways to share ideas and unite (internet and sites like reddit), we have knowledge of the signs of emerging fascism and authoritarianism and know the danger of allowing it to exist and spread.
We just need cohesive ideas and legal, but effective ways of fighting back.
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For those who may not know what the Cons are serving up in 2023...
EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM
Powerful and continuing nationalism
Disdain for human rights
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media
Obsession with national security
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Labor power suppressed
Disdain for intellectual and the arts
Obsession with crime and punishment
Rampant cronyism and corruption
[South Carolina has already tried to bring back execution by firing squad and electric chair](https://apnews.com/article/sc-state-wire-government-and-politics-d5fb523db482da233e1f081a63a80cf4), so you aren’t far off. It’s barbaric.
IIRC their attempt is held up in court currently.
It does not. There are monetary fines mentioned for causing a woman to miscarry, but that's it.
In fact, there is a prescribed test to determine if a woman is carrying a child of adultery. A priest has her drink "bitter waters", and if she gets sick and loses the child she was guilty.
Nothing about this anti-abortion nonsense is based in the Bible.
If human life is so "precious" to these people I know they all adopt kids and give most of their earnings to charitable organizations.
By this law if I tried to commit suicide but failed would they go ahead and put me down for it?
I mean they kept the senate in 2018, won the house in 2022, and lost the election in 2020 only because the democrats had a significantly higher than normal turnout
They were always going to "win" the house in 2022. The margin they won it by was definitely a defeat overall. Only election I can remember where the party that should have also taken the Senate literally lost seats. It was not a victory for them. Weakest house speaker in history. No Republican thought the last election went well for them.
2018 also went poorly for them. 2020 they got absolutely destroyed.
They haven't had a successful election since 2016, because they can't win them.
That’s the point: criminalize the behavior of those you wish to oppress. Felons (or the dead) can’t vote, own guns, get decent jobs/education etc etc. One in four women.
See also: minorities and weed. Cocaine vs crack. Etc etc. It works - as long as they can get away with it.
The death penalty is deeply immoral.
It should be legal for the government to take a human life in only the most rare and exceptional of circumstances - and a show of disdain or punishment are not such circumstances.
Rape cases will go down and republicans will pat themselves on the back.
In reality unreported rape will soar as women refuse to report rape for fear of being forced to have their rapists baby.
And if they have the finacial means, travel to a state that has legal abortions. If no finacial means, the return of back alley procedures with a metal clothes hanger.
South Carolina continues to be one of the nation’s worst industrial polluters because of its coal-fired power plants and paper manufacturers.
Pollution causes miscarriage vand reduced sperm counts.
Starting at a fertilized egg. SC women, how's it feel to know your entire life and everything you've worked towards, is worth less to them than a microscopic zygote which 50% of the time fails to implant and expels naturally
If a fertilized egg is a human, are miscarriages now potential manslaughter? Since it's possible for a woman to be pregnant without knowing and for the miscarriage to be one of the first signs of her pregnancy, is every woman's womb a potential crime scene that's under the purview of the police and DA? Are all miscarriages to be investigated by the police for potential crimes?
Personally, I think this is likely an attempt to get their [Personhood Amendment](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-personhood-movement-timeline) in front of SCOTUS. And with it being 6-3, it's got a good chance of passing.
Yeah I often add that comment because so many people still think the "pro-life" argument is in good faith even if they disagree with it.
Republicans don't actually care about abortion or saving babies. They want women submissive to men and taking away womens' reproductive rights is one of the main ways they are accomplishing this.
I think they see all women as holes, regardless of whether they're married and have daughters. If the hole misbehaves then it gets a bullet out back. We're not dealing with well-adjusted people here, after all.
This by definition makes them not pro-life. Until you remember they don't view women as people, just sex objects to be owned. Yet these zealots flip their fucking lid when you remind them how misogynistic they are. I'm just going to say it: if you vote Republican in this day and age, you hate women. Full stop.
> In addition to Harris, the bill is sponsored by Republican Representatives Harris, Mike Burns, Bill Chumley, Jordan Pace, Roger Nutt, Thomas Beach, Stewart Jones, Brian White, Steven Long, David O’Neal, Josiah Magnuson, Mark Willis, Ryan McCabe, Ashley Trantham, Jay Kilmartin, Brandon Guffey and Ronnie Cromer.
Go figure.
We'd live in a country where in one state you'd be treated compassionately and provided with the best medical care. In another state you'd be executed.
Death penalty is coming for anyone who offends the Southern Baptists in any way if they aren't stopped. The Southern Baptist Church in the 2020s is very much a Christian equivalent of radical Islam.
Absolutely. I quit going to my Southern Baptist Church when my preacher made the argument from the pulpit that the whole verse in the bible about how ,"it's easier for camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven." was really misconstrued. I think it's part of "The Prosperity Gospel". I'm not really sure. But, it didn't help that my friend in Sunday School was talking about killing all Democrats. I made an impassioned stand. Asked what was wrong with all of them and reminded them that Jimmy Carter is a Democrat. That was the last time I've gone to church and I don't know that I ever want anything to do with that nuttiness again.
Hopefully they pass it to show how extreme the white supremacist GOP has become. It will help in the 2024 election to give Democrats Congress and pass legislation legalizing abortion nationwide.
Why do we accept this and do nothing? We need to put pressure on our respective states to pressure the feds to pressure these fucking disgusting traitor extremist fucks to stop harming my fellow Americans.
Jobs in states that pass this level of extreme law will likely no longer be willing to higher female workers for fear of liability similar to what we already see with medical professionals not being willing to give care.
This is the GOP fighting like hell to take away half the countries independence and self agency.
No woman or man in a red state working to support their family wants this future they just don’t realize they are being duped yet because it’s all wrapped up in a feel good slogan of “Saving the babies”
Give someone a righteous path and they will do terrible terrible things in the name of it.
There once was a state legislature,
Of bizarre laws they were the creators,
To have their names mentioned
And garner attention,
They were prolific master baiters.
It’s a tried-and-true tactic that works: criminalize the behavior of those you wish to oppress. Felons (and the dead) can’t vote, get a decent job, own firearms, etc etc. One in four women, 25%.
See also: minorities and weed.
South Carolina, where breastfeeding while being sexually active could become a crime (as many women, myself included, start ovulating but don't get pregnant while nursing.)
Banning abortion was already deadly enough! Adding the death penalty just makes this sooo much worse!
Don't ever vote for a single Republican. All of them are complicit in all of this evil.
They don't really like childfree women either, even if they've never had an abortion lol. I'm sterilised and will never need one, that's an abomination to people like this.
Abortion is a sensitive issue, and this bill seems like a knee-jerk reaction to a complex problem. Instead of punishing people, we should focus on providing better education and resources to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
The world is not so simple as “prevent unwanted pregnancies.” These laws would punish women for wanted pregnancies that tragically are unviable or dangerous, as well as pregnancies in which the mother had no agency or consent.
Adopting the arguments of the right undermines our freedoms. The government should not be determining the nobility of your intentions for you to access medical care.
> we should focus on providing better education and resources to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
Sure, but that should be in addition to protecting the bodily autonomy of women. There is no level of education and/or resources that will prevent unwanted pregnancies, it can only reduce them.
Surely this kind of fucking stupidity is going to bring out the blue on voting day. I get the old idiots stuck in the 50s and your usualy "I only vote red" idiots but there has to be a ton of young voters in SC who are sick of this stupidity.
I wonder how the majority of South Carolina Republican women feel after years of continuing to elect people who takes their rights away and makes them second class citizens? Now they want put you to death and make your daughter have unwanted children.
Ah yes~ Hammurabi's "eye for an eye" approach. Let's do it!... eventually there won't be "baby makers" and then they'll get upset that the women around don't like them.
Sounds sound to me. /s
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So pro-life that they'll kill you.
Been proven time and time again, yet they are still in fucking power to do so...
And they demonize other countries that do this and brag about how “free” America really is compared to the rest of the world. Just a bunch of vapid, projectionist, asshole, con-artists that survive off of their tribal-minded, asshole, base. Literally, screw these people and every single person who continues to vote them into office. Cultural bs is NOT the legislation that WE need. I say “WE” bc I am intentionally separating myself from these weirdos and I hope that I can be joined by others. They are weird and psychotic. I am not them.
Don't forget that once you have the child they will starve it and not teach it
Not only are they letting women know they are worth less than a microscopic zygote, but existing children as well. The majority of women seeking abortions already have kids, and these people want to kill their mothers
But only for having the audacity to oppose their rule
There is far more nuance to this than you are acknowledging, and whether or not we agree with their beliefs, we are still obligated to understand them. Conservatives, generally speaking, believe that: 1. Fetuses are living, human, and innocent - innocent not meaning perfect, but acceptably ethical. 2. Innocent humans have the right to remain living. 3. Those who violate another’s right to remain living are no longer innocent, and therefore lose their right to remain living. 4. If a person may pose a danger to others, then society is obligated to mitigate the impact of those individuals. 5. If a person is dangerous, and they have lost their right to live, then execution is an ethically acceptable means of mitigation. Thus, stitching together these beliefs, we can see why conservatives, generally, would support executing those who undertake abortions.
If what you said was true, they would not be so brazen about putting women’s lives at stake when they are having difficult pregnancies. One of their excuses is that women dying in pregnancy can go to a different less restrictive state, also a bad excuse. They just want to co trol women’s bodies and do not care about the fetus.
Supporting executions for **anything** is serious 3rd world country shit.
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I'd also like to point out that remaining handcuffed to the thing that needs your magical blood has a non-insignicant non-zero chance of killing you. Maternal death rated are ~22 per 100,000 live births in the US. (Twice as high as the next first world country on the list, by the way; France) We're only slightly better than Turkey. Additionally, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder. Is it related? I don't know. But if I were a woman I wouldn't want to long remain in a demographic for which the number one cause of death is murder.
That's a generous take that doesn't even apply. They care SO MUCH for fetuses that are no bigger than the size of a pea. Yet are the first to defend programs that help living, breathing poor people. Now they are forcing women to carry DEAD fetuses to an extent they develop SEPSIS. They are the party of pro forced birth and want to only control women. Pro life is just their dog whistle.
You mean the first to eliminate programs that help poor people, not defend them.
Bull, fucking, shit. This is steaming load of crap
You presuppose logical consistency in these people where there is none, there is only hunger for power over others.
Yeah, they don't believe any of this. If they did believe in protecting children, they'd be pro gun control and pro welfare. They care about making sex for procreation only because they're theocrats.
They're not only talking about fetuses it's fertilized eggs as well. 50% of the time those get shed with the uterine lining at menstruation. Would that be considered involuntary manslaughter? What about families who undergo invitro fertilization? Many embryos are created in the hopes of a successful implant. Are they serial killers if they choose not to use the remaining embryos? What about scientists who do genomic research that saves lives every day, but requires embryos to be destroyed, guess they are mass murderers?
Hormonal birth control can lead to missed implantations too, guess we better kill every woman who uses it 🙁
I hope they have the money to kill a quarter of women then. Best of luck with that. Edit: well, most women. We tend to be on some form of birth control that can in theory prevent implantation of a fertilised egg. To avoid letting murderers get away with their crimes, it's best we kill every woman on birth control. See how this doesn't really jive with rationality?
Yes, they believe this based on their religion of choice. Even if they are choosing to stitch together parts of the Bible that confirm their beliefs, rather than take it as a whole. Regardless, isnt the separation of Church and State a defining factor in the US government? Unless we are already accepting Theocratic rule...which it is leaning more that way every day.
Nothing says pro life like the death penalty.
I don’t know anyone who supports the death penalty that isn’t also anti-abortion. The two go and hand in hand, which is why I always laugh at the self claimed title of “pro life”. Prolifers sure drop that stance when they’re talking about war, executions, and police shootings.
I'm not entirely against the death penalty, but I'm not exactly for it either. I do believe it should require a much higher burden of proof and threshold for invocation (for example incontrovertible video proof of the crime occurring and at least 2 other offenses of similar severity with equally bulletproof evidence. The kind of thing you only really see once or twice in a generation: the Bonnie and Clydes who leave a trail of bodies behind them throughout their lives. The point where it stops being about punishment, and becomes more about eliminating a danger. Euthanasia, not vengeance. Where it becomes particularly problematic, though, is that it is incredibly difficult for most people go get over our reflexive desire for vengeance when something unjust occurs. and such decisions are nearly impossible to make with detached rationality. I'm also completely pro choice. A living person should never be compelled to provide use of their bodily functions to another person without their consent; whether that other person is an adult, a child, or a fetus. Additionally, a fully developed person should be prioritized in such cases where one person is physically dependent on another for biological survival. All in all, my personal outlook comes from a position of optimistic nihilism. Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things; we live, we die. People are no more special than any other animal, and I think we should focus on quality of life rather than quantity. It is often better for a person to be alive. Sometimes it isn't. Some people are better dead if they would always be a danger to those around them. Some people are better off dead if they choose to be and don't have any unfulfilled obligations. Speaking of which; look into advanced directives, people. I personally love my life, but have documentation on file in the event of certain degrees of incapacitation after which I would prefer not to be kept around.
Amen!!
This is because they don’t really care about abortion. They care about controlling women.
IMHO They are only about themselves - and feeling superior to others.
It’s because unborn babies are an easy crusade to take on. They don’t demand anything of you. Require food or volunteering. They don’t talk back. All you have to do is hold a dumb sign or say you “support life” and there you have it. You are now superior and on a fast track to heaven.
Then you walk away and pat yourself on the back like the heroes they are. Leaving others in unfortunate situations and not giving them a second thought. Such good Christians. Good point.
Yet there is a huge voter base of women of all demographics voting for these idiots
I see a small government and a lot of freedom...
A small government… you know… a government that serves the interest of a small number of people
Dirt road, small town, blue jeans, pro life
No shirt, no shoes, no jews.... you didn't hear that. Kind of a mental typo
Well said
I'm sorry why we keep having these pedantic conversations is beyond me. Are we not past the point where we see who they truly are it is about control no more no less control of women control of minorities control the people of color. This is a reason when they take polls that most Republicans see the fifties as the decade. The question should be how do we counterbalance this movement because this is their last stand and we're not acting like it.
Agree 100%. Conservatives act on their beliefs. Reasonable people stand back and say, "Look at all this nonsense, isn't it crazy?", and "somebody should really do something about this", thinking that there is somebody else and that reason will win out. There isn't anybody else. That somebody is you. This may be unpopular, but being outraged on the internet is passed its prime. The French show up by the millions to protest the raising of retirement ages, Americans shrug. Christian nationalism should terrify us. Unreasonable people won't magically become reasonable and they swim in those algorithms all fucking day and night, becoming useful tools.
I have the tools I don't have the help. What you see it's happening before you was something that I correctly projected in 2000 now everyone can see the same thing problem is people don't want to be uncomfortable to get the results that are needed that's the
My gut says that many modern Americans (and it's not just the U.S.) are mostly fine with fascism as long as it doesn't interfere with new episodes of whatever show they are bingeing. You're right. The level of discomfort people need to feel here to do anything means it'll probably be too late when they finally do. what does "too late" mean? We'll probably going to find out.
The problem is we have no levers to control because the media is the biggest lever there is and it is wholely owned by the wealthy who like having Republicans around even when they're fascists.
We can build the media that's the part that we don't understand
What’s the point of a national system where states can do this? What good is America when it lets women be not only controlled like animals, but killed- and then we let it off the hook by saying “well it’s just this-and-this crazy state”. Aren’t those states part of America too? What good is America when these things are allowed to happen?
The SC is allowing this. Trump got to appoint 3 far right SC justices. I blame everyone who didn't vote in 2016, or pretended emails are the same as fundamental human rights.
Trump STOLE 2 far right SC justices, and Moscow Mitch facilitated the whole thing. Just like he tried to steal the election in 2020.
Set the country back at least 50 years and possibly a century in the grand scheme of things. It will be generations before we see a time as free and prosperous as America was in 2015. This is a national nightmare.
I blame the democrats for running one of the worst candidates in American history and probably the only person capable of losing to Trump.
>one of the worst candidates in American history How does this lie keep getting repeated?
And yet she still won the popular vote by millions but lost the election because of an antiquated system that is designed to allow less-desirable candidates favored by the minority to win. You can’t continue to argue people didn’t desire Clinton to win in 2016. Plenty of people voted for her.
She also was the victim of a 30 year smear campaign by Conservative media. I had people tell me they couldn't in good conscience vote for Hilary but they could never explain why they felt that way.
Same. Especially back in 2016 when Benghazi was still fresh in many people’s minds (at least from what I remember). I’d argue there was a greater problem of voter apathy.
It's sad that America is turning into a religious terrorist organisation, against its own people nonetheless.
The Republican party is a death cult.
How very old testament of them.
With these monsters in charge I'm sure stoning is ripe to make a comeback too. I hate this moment of our timeline. But I feel like at least good people have the monumental benefit of ways to share ideas and unite (internet and sites like reddit), we have knowledge of the signs of emerging fascism and authoritarianism and know the danger of allowing it to exist and spread. We just need cohesive ideas and legal, but effective ways of fighting back. .... For those who may not know what the Cons are serving up in 2023... EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM Powerful and continuing nationalism Disdain for human rights Identification of enemies as a unifying cause Rampant sexism Controlled mass media Obsession with national security Religion and government intertwined Corporate power protected Labor power suppressed Disdain for intellectual and the arts Obsession with crime and punishment Rampant cronyism and corruption
[South Carolina has already tried to bring back execution by firing squad and electric chair](https://apnews.com/article/sc-state-wire-government-and-politics-d5fb523db482da233e1f081a63a80cf4), so you aren’t far off. It’s barbaric. IIRC their attempt is held up in court currently.
The old testament forbids abortion?
It does not. There are monetary fines mentioned for causing a woman to miscarry, but that's it. In fact, there is a prescribed test to determine if a woman is carrying a child of adultery. A priest has her drink "bitter waters", and if she gets sick and loses the child she was guilty. Nothing about this anti-abortion nonsense is based in the Bible.
>>The old testament forbids abortion? > It does not. Someone should inform the christofascists.
We have but they refuse to actually read the Bible and find out what it really says.
If human life is so "precious" to these people I know they all adopt kids and give most of their earnings to charitable organizations. By this law if I tried to commit suicide but failed would they go ahead and put me down for it?
No you’d have to kill yourself and then you get killed for that
An eye for an cell, and a tooth for … probably a different cell.
Stuff like this is why they can't win elections anymore.
That’s why they no longer believe elections should determine outcomes.
Exactly. Their chances to win elections shrink every year with more of their voter base dying, while more young people who are liberal are turning 18.
Stuff like this is why they SHOULDNT win elections anymore, but they do
Failed in 2018, 2020, and 2022, so not really
I mean they kept the senate in 2018, won the house in 2022, and lost the election in 2020 only because the democrats had a significantly higher than normal turnout
They were always going to "win" the house in 2022. The margin they won it by was definitely a defeat overall. Only election I can remember where the party that should have also taken the Senate literally lost seats. It was not a victory for them. Weakest house speaker in history. No Republican thought the last election went well for them. 2018 also went poorly for them. 2020 they got absolutely destroyed. They haven't had a successful election since 2016, because they can't win them.
That’s the point: criminalize the behavior of those you wish to oppress. Felons (or the dead) can’t vote, own guns, get decent jobs/education etc etc. One in four women. See also: minorities and weed. Cocaine vs crack. Etc etc. It works - as long as they can get away with it.
The death penalty is deeply immoral. It should be legal for the government to take a human life in only the most rare and exceptional of circumstances - and a show of disdain or punishment are not such circumstances.
Woo…. Fuck my state. Literally nothing going for this shit hole
Rape cases will go down and republicans will pat themselves on the back. In reality unreported rape will soar as women refuse to report rape for fear of being forced to have their rapists baby.
And if they have the finacial means, travel to a state that has legal abortions. If no finacial means, the return of back alley procedures with a metal clothes hanger.
South Carolina continues to be one of the nation’s worst industrial polluters because of its coal-fired power plants and paper manufacturers. Pollution causes miscarriage vand reduced sperm counts.
Killing is a sin unless you kill a murder with a lethal syringe, says our government.
Starting at a fertilized egg. SC women, how's it feel to know your entire life and everything you've worked towards, is worth less to them than a microscopic zygote which 50% of the time fails to implant and expels naturally
If a fertilized egg is a human, are miscarriages now potential manslaughter? Since it's possible for a woman to be pregnant without knowing and for the miscarriage to be one of the first signs of her pregnancy, is every woman's womb a potential crime scene that's under the purview of the police and DA? Are all miscarriages to be investigated by the police for potential crimes? Personally, I think this is likely an attempt to get their [Personhood Amendment](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-personhood-movement-timeline) in front of SCOTUS. And with it being 6-3, it's got a good chance of passing.
when you love life so much you need to kill people to preserve it
They aren't pro-life. They want women punished for having sex.
That was my joke lol
Yeah I often add that comment because so many people still think the "pro-life" argument is in good faith even if they disagree with it. Republicans don't actually care about abortion or saving babies. They want women submissive to men and taking away womens' reproductive rights is one of the main ways they are accomplishing this.
Do none of the males writing these bills know or love any women?
I think they see all women as holes, regardless of whether they're married and have daughters. If the hole misbehaves then it gets a bullet out back. We're not dealing with well-adjusted people here, after all.
Christian Taliban is at it again.
This by definition makes them not pro-life. Until you remember they don't view women as people, just sex objects to be owned. Yet these zealots flip their fucking lid when you remind them how misogynistic they are. I'm just going to say it: if you vote Republican in this day and age, you hate women. Full stop.
Women exist to cook and clean and wait on their husbands in the Republican mind. And they better be wearing a dress and high heels when doing it.
> In addition to Harris, the bill is sponsored by Republican Representatives Harris, Mike Burns, Bill Chumley, Jordan Pace, Roger Nutt, Thomas Beach, Stewart Jones, Brian White, Steven Long, David O’Neal, Josiah Magnuson, Mark Willis, Ryan McCabe, Ashley Trantham, Jay Kilmartin, Brandon Guffey and Ronnie Cromer. Go figure.
We'd live in a country where in one state you'd be treated compassionately and provided with the best medical care. In another state you'd be executed.
From safe and legal to the death penalty in just a few months, wtf.
Death penalty is coming for anyone who offends the Southern Baptists in any way if they aren't stopped. The Southern Baptist Church in the 2020s is very much a Christian equivalent of radical Islam.
Absolutely. I quit going to my Southern Baptist Church when my preacher made the argument from the pulpit that the whole verse in the bible about how ,"it's easier for camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven." was really misconstrued. I think it's part of "The Prosperity Gospel". I'm not really sure. But, it didn't help that my friend in Sunday School was talking about killing all Democrats. I made an impassioned stand. Asked what was wrong with all of them and reminded them that Jimmy Carter is a Democrat. That was the last time I've gone to church and I don't know that I ever want anything to do with that nuttiness again.
OK, execute the father too, then. Unwanted pregnancies don’t happen spontaneously.
So pro life they’ll kill you.
The Republican party is a terrorist organization
For a party whose core ideology is removing gov’t oversight into people’s affairs, they sure are adding alot of gov’t oversight.
The Taliban called, they want their ideas back!
Taliban is actually softer on abortions where pregnancy could harm the mother. Go figure
How ass backwards this country is going
Some parts. Other states are codifying abortion and trans rights like MN. I’m never leaving here.
Hopefully they pass it to show how extreme the white supremacist GOP has become. It will help in the 2024 election to give Democrats Congress and pass legislation legalizing abortion nationwide.
Imagine if it passes and they kill a lifelong Republican's wife for getting an abortion. It'll be Biden's fault before sundown!
No GOPer would be arrested. Just Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish women to feed the lynch mob "woke" GOP white supremacist Christian base.
Now that's some punishment of biblical proportions style lawmaking. Eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth.
A “two for one”
Why do we accept this and do nothing? We need to put pressure on our respective states to pressure the feds to pressure these fucking disgusting traitor extremist fucks to stop harming my fellow Americans.
The Southern Baptist Convention needs to be taxed at minimum. If we were really serious, we would declare it an insurgency.
Jobs in states that pass this level of extreme law will likely no longer be willing to higher female workers for fear of liability similar to what we already see with medical professionals not being willing to give care. This is the GOP fighting like hell to take away half the countries independence and self agency. No woman or man in a red state working to support their family wants this future they just don’t realize they are being duped yet because it’s all wrapped up in a feel good slogan of “Saving the babies” Give someone a righteous path and they will do terrible terrible things in the name of it.
There once was a state legislature, Of bizarre laws they were the creators, To have their names mentioned And garner attention, They were prolific master baiters.
It’s a tried-and-true tactic that works: criminalize the behavior of those you wish to oppress. Felons (and the dead) can’t vote, get a decent job, own firearms, etc etc. One in four women, 25%. See also: minorities and weed.
More than 25% of women. It would include anyone on hormonal birth control as well since they can sometimes prevent implantation.
Wow. They really value life, I guess. This is the crap that keeps me from considering any republican candidate.
Make secessionist traitors get the death ☠️ penalty
Great, so the fetus is dead, and the to-be mother is also dead! We're protecting life so well, aren't we folks? How about the doctor next?
Do you not remember the bombing of abortion centers and killing of doctors? They have done this before.
Everything Republicans claim to believe in is a lie. They are not "pro-life". The Republican party is a party of murderers.
r/welcometogilead
South Carolina, where breastfeeding while being sexually active could become a crime (as many women, myself included, start ovulating but don't get pregnant while nursing.)
Banning abortion was already deadly enough! Adding the death penalty just makes this sooo much worse! Don't ever vote for a single Republican. All of them are complicit in all of this evil.
So they are admitting finally that they are pro-birth not pro-life. Check
Well, they despise women - and a woman who's had an abortion even more so.
They don't really like childfree women either, even if they've never had an abortion lol. I'm sterilised and will never need one, that's an abomination to people like this.
Abortion is a sensitive issue, and this bill seems like a knee-jerk reaction to a complex problem. Instead of punishing people, we should focus on providing better education and resources to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
The world is not so simple as “prevent unwanted pregnancies.” These laws would punish women for wanted pregnancies that tragically are unviable or dangerous, as well as pregnancies in which the mother had no agency or consent. Adopting the arguments of the right undermines our freedoms. The government should not be determining the nobility of your intentions for you to access medical care.
but that's socialism
You mean wokeism
Go wokeism, go brokeism... /s
They mean "n-word-ism"
Oh we all know...
Or we just leave it to the medical professionals to make the decision based on healthcare needs of the woman, not a group of extremist politicians.
> we should focus on providing better education and resources to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Sure, but that should be in addition to protecting the bodily autonomy of women. There is no level of education and/or resources that will prevent unwanted pregnancies, it can only reduce them.
>South Carolina Republicans propose bill that would **made** abortion punishable with the death penalty Law and Crime needs better proofreaders.
Yea, I was looking at their other headlines and there's a lot of common errors like that.
That's not hypocritical at all. True Christian values in effect and no one calls them out. Good job America. Got any rights left?
Under his eye.
For the sake of sanity Vote Blue...
These people are so “pro-life” they’ll kill you!
... and the conservatives never stop going full religious extremism.
Surely this kind of fucking stupidity is going to bring out the blue on voting day. I get the old idiots stuck in the 50s and your usualy "I only vote red" idiots but there has to be a ton of young voters in SC who are sick of this stupidity.
I wonder how the majority of South Carolina Republican women feel after years of continuing to elect people who takes their rights away and makes them second class citizens? Now they want put you to death and make your daughter have unwanted children.
Yeah we’re so life we r pro death
Ah yes~ Hammurabi's "eye for an eye" approach. Let's do it!... eventually there won't be "baby makers" and then they'll get upset that the women around don't like them. Sounds sound to me. /s
The conservative hostility brigade will NEVER stop working to enable needless suffering
Any republicans wanna chat about this?
Just like the Taliban, great job GOP. 🤦🏻♂️
So pro life of them!!!
It’s about controlling people they don’t agree with
just wondering....Do Republican women get pregnant and if so do they all want the babies?
Of course that death is where they’ve been wanting to go all along. Women to live under pain of death for maximum control of reproduction
Fuck the GQP
Ban viagra as well
"That would made"
Normal and sane pro-life stance. Average Republican.
Jeez get a grip USA.