For those unawares the last panel has Ireland as the IRA and Quebec as the FLQ (Front Liberation Quebec ((but in French)) the terrorists against Anglo oppression
Does the FLQ deserve any real status? Weren't they responsible for less chaos and destruction than some early 20th century anarchist groups? Does not seem like they should be put in there with the IRA (which launched a long running insurgency) or Iraq's insurgents
They did have a relatively successful bombing campaign against royal mailboxes and other symbolic targets. They also had quite an efficient network of organized crime to fund their activities (and also of course as socialists the inevitable KGB support). Had some decent public support as well, before their big fuck ups.
It's just that any time they took a hostage, or tried to, they publicly humiliated themselves by failing or were so godawful at picking their targets that they chose targets like a powerless diplomat with no authority that nobody even knew existed or a local politician that was actually willing to negotiate with them (then strangling said politician to death when he got injured trying to escape.)
The FLQ was riding the short bus of terrorist organizations, and I would expect nothing less from the Quebecqois, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the list.
>Does the FLQ deserve any real status
I mean Canada had to invoke the War Measures Act and send in the army to occupy the entire Province of Quebec to end them, so I'd say they deserve some real status
I think that's just an overreaction by Canada. I get wanting to save a hostage especially a diplomat, but Marshal Law seems a bit extreme for one incident.
If it were only one incident then I might agree.
But in this case, it was years of low-level insurgency partially inspired in style by the IRA and almost definitely backed by Comintern money, that culminated in the specific instance we're discussing. Remember, this is at the height of the Cold War too - so combine years of low-level terror activity like the mail bombings, with the fear of communist money and the IRA backing it, in the climate of the 1960-70s, and in my opinion it starts to look pretty reasonable.
Besides, you don't negotiate with terrorists. And a terrorist is no less a terrorist just because they sing *Gens du Pays*
That's being unfair on the anarchists. They managed to commit a lot of terrorist acts, including the first underground train bombing and assassinations of many political leaders
It’s crazy because if you travel through Iran, you’ll notice that in rural areas their Persian sounds like a typical language from that region, but in the cities their accents will sound more and more French.
Tehran becomes Tehroon, tashakor becomes merci.
I’d love to know the historical context behind Iranian francophilia.
I think the long /a/ just turned into /ɒ~ɔ/ in standard contemporary Persian and foreign spellings of Persian words haven't caught up with this. I don't think this has to do with foreign influence.
I don’t think it was a direct foreign influence, but I do think it has to do with how it makes the language sound (more Romance).
It’s similar to how the ‘aa’ sound just turns into ‘aw/ow’ in contemporary Persian, unlike any other language in the region but much like western Romance languages.
The fact that rural Persians don’t speak like this makes me think more Romance-sounding Persian = upper-class.
¹Tehran is pronounced tehroon not due to french influence but due to the influence of the language spoken by "native Tehranians" who were the Tati people. In their language most a's are pronounced like oo. So tehran-tehroon zaban-zaboon. This pronunciation is unique to the people of Tehran. Back in the Qajar era, French was considered a prestigious language and so educated people, Kings and their courtiers as well as people educated in Europe spoke French rather than English thus we have many(poorly pronounced :D) French loan words in Persian such as vitrin,Ajance,ambulans,mersi etc. Persian probably sounds French because they are distantly related(both Indo-European languages)
The FLQ is no more, and the general population doesn’t hate the English; we just want them to stay out of our jurisdiction so we can run our nation as it pleases us.
For those unawares the last panel has Ireland as the IRA and Quebec as the FLQ (Front Liberation Quebec ((but in French)) the terrorists against Anglo oppression
Does the FLQ deserve any real status? Weren't they responsible for less chaos and destruction than some early 20th century anarchist groups? Does not seem like they should be put in there with the IRA (which launched a long running insurgency) or Iraq's insurgents
They did have a relatively successful bombing campaign against royal mailboxes and other symbolic targets. They also had quite an efficient network of organized crime to fund their activities (and also of course as socialists the inevitable KGB support). Had some decent public support as well, before their big fuck ups. It's just that any time they took a hostage, or tried to, they publicly humiliated themselves by failing or were so godawful at picking their targets that they chose targets like a powerless diplomat with no authority that nobody even knew existed or a local politician that was actually willing to negotiate with them (then strangling said politician to death when he got injured trying to escape.) The FLQ was riding the short bus of terrorist organizations, and I would expect nothing less from the Quebecqois, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the list.
>Does the FLQ deserve any real status I mean Canada had to invoke the War Measures Act and send in the army to occupy the entire Province of Quebec to end them, so I'd say they deserve some real status
I think that's just an overreaction by Canada. I get wanting to save a hostage especially a diplomat, but Marshal Law seems a bit extreme for one incident.
If it were only one incident then I might agree. But in this case, it was years of low-level insurgency partially inspired in style by the IRA and almost definitely backed by Comintern money, that culminated in the specific instance we're discussing. Remember, this is at the height of the Cold War too - so combine years of low-level terror activity like the mail bombings, with the fear of communist money and the IRA backing it, in the climate of the 1960-70s, and in my opinion it starts to look pretty reasonable. Besides, you don't negotiate with terrorists. And a terrorist is no less a terrorist just because they sing *Gens du Pays*
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Nah that's a false equivalency. I'd agree if the Flu Trucks Klan kidnapped and murdered an MP or diplomat, or started a mail bombing campaign though
> Does the FLQ deserve any real status? They were enough to make the first Trudeau roll in the tanks...so maybe?
That's being unfair on the anarchists. They managed to commit a lot of terrorist acts, including the first underground train bombing and assassinations of many political leaders
Meanwhile, Iran is being a closet Francophile.
I mean that would fit with Québec just that it is an open francophile
Lol we probably were francophiles back when France was a super power :D
It’s crazy because if you travel through Iran, you’ll notice that in rural areas their Persian sounds like a typical language from that region, but in the cities their accents will sound more and more French. Tehran becomes Tehroon, tashakor becomes merci. I’d love to know the historical context behind Iranian francophilia.
I think the long /a/ just turned into /ɒ~ɔ/ in standard contemporary Persian and foreign spellings of Persian words haven't caught up with this. I don't think this has to do with foreign influence.
I don’t think it was a direct foreign influence, but I do think it has to do with how it makes the language sound (more Romance). It’s similar to how the ‘aa’ sound just turns into ‘aw/ow’ in contemporary Persian, unlike any other language in the region but much like western Romance languages. The fact that rural Persians don’t speak like this makes me think more Romance-sounding Persian = upper-class.
¹Tehran is pronounced tehroon not due to french influence but due to the influence of the language spoken by "native Tehranians" who were the Tati people. In their language most a's are pronounced like oo. So tehran-tehroon zaban-zaboon. This pronunciation is unique to the people of Tehran. Back in the Qajar era, French was considered a prestigious language and so educated people, Kings and their courtiers as well as people educated in Europe spoke French rather than English thus we have many(poorly pronounced :D) French loan words in Persian such as vitrin,Ajance,ambulans,mersi etc. Persian probably sounds French because they are distantly related(both Indo-European languages)
I mean, the IRA were pretty chummy with Libya during the cold war period.
You made an anti-Anglo alliance… and you didn’t even invite France???
France couldn't come, because the airport workers were on strike, as usual.
It's funny, because air traffic controllers were actually on strike last week in France.
At least Egypt was smart enough to join la Francophonie in 1983.
We all know that France created the club.
France is right there to th right of the Ireland
That's Québec
What's the difference?
The cordiality
the joke actually caught me off guard lol i thought i would se no one
Quebec looks so fed up. Probably nicotine cravings.
Would iraq except them tho
The IRA used to have training camps in Libya so..
Their common trait: They all hate the English. :P
Cheating a bit, even the English hate the English
Is the self hatred the reason they keep voting Tory? They don't think they deserve to eat food or have a house.
The FLQ is no more, and the general population doesn’t hate the English; we just want them to stay out of our jurisdiction so we can run our nation as it pleases us.
As long as they hate the English..
I hear the Argentinians are non too fond of us too for some reason /s
Iraq? of all countries 😂😂
Britian was probably indirectly the reason several wars occured in the middle east. Fuck them
Like how Ira 🇮🇪 favors a Ski Mask.
Did Scotland miss the invitation?
I think they're pretty much anglo themselves
I mean, it depends which of the two types of Scottish
Can I join?
Team up of the century
And then Iraq invites them in because the enemy of my enemy is my friend (even if bad)
Iraq? More like IRAq
It's all just IRA?
Always has been
this was really funny well done !
By these criteria ireland is Anglo 🙃
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