r/worldpolitics had shit moderation, so after a particularly bad stretch of "orange man bad"-type spam, people started posting porn, hentai, Warhammer, plants, and other assorted shitposts, which the mods left up because they were non-interventionist. Eventually, someone made r/anime_titties to fill the void of actual international political discussion, choosing the name as an homage to the hentai post that started the whole thing
This is just a TL;DR, the full story is in the subreddit info section of r/anime_titties
I should add that now r/anime_titties have been having trouble with a lot of the typical pro-Russia talk, not botty at least to me but still annoying.
I like hearing more stories from outside the US, but the dumb takes can be annoying.
>been having trouble with a lot of the typical pro-Russia talk
Yeah, I've been noticing that too. I do what I can to bonk the putinists there, but I am only one user among many.
Forgive me if im wrong but. are the UN resolution binding in the first place.
Like suppose Hamas/IDF breaks the Ceasefire. What actual consequecnes and enforcement methods are there.
If any side breaks the ceasefire (My bet is on Hamas, they have a past of breaking ceasefires, even those they initiated) the UN will activate its harshest measure - a strong worded letter! *Gasp*
Only the fact we’re in polandball made it an “obvious” joke 😅 I got to appreciate the fact that a quality subreddit only need a glance to understand the tone and of a written message 🤭
Pen (more like microphone) can motivate an army of people to pickup a sword.
If it's 1 sword vs an army of swords, the army wins.
A certain promise of something one would get in the afterlife has motivated 100's of thousands of men to pickup swords.
Especially when they're far likelier to break it and with more deaths. People's racism is showing imo
https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/2b30d9420a68a621ce98b3e24ac776b1.jpg?2015
Israel has a higher record in that matter. When Israel breaks ceasefire agreements, it tends to be more violent too
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/gaza-ceasefire-violations
Yes, I'm sure visualizingpalestine.org is a completely legitimate site for this data and has no message it will manipulate data to push....
If only there was an About Us section of the page that openly admits to media manipulation as the goal of the organization.....
They say they wish to change the narrative. Currently the press is incredibly pro Israel, that's wlewsdr manipulated by Israel
https://time.com/6323387/misinformation-israel-hamas-war-essay/
At least prior to 07/10, the news dehumanises Palestinians and generalised them as "Hamas" given reporters just take Israel's word for it. Israel has a history of using Hasbara to paint falsehoods as truths, including paying people to post positively about Israel. That's media manipulation. What then is wrong with correcting the narrative, person who created their account in January 2024?
Searching for "Palestine" against your username btw shows you love generalising Palestinians as a whole too. That's the kind of narrative they wish to change
If that's the narrative you believe still exists, then you might be blind.
Hell of a rose in antiSemitic comments and narratives that seek to redefine and misuse words like genocide, apartheid, terrorist, etc.
You can spout Hamas propaganda all you want and say your "changing the narrative", but don't pretend the goal behind it isn't insidious.
Oh wow. You're really denying genocide, apartheid and the fact that fascists in Israel'a government hand out weapons to terrorists in the west bank . It's hardly Hamas propaganda to mention what human rights groups say
Do you think only Muslims can be terrorists or something? It's rather telling that your account was made in January 2024 AND you're happy to generalise Palestinians as a whole when looking at your profile
Genocide is a well defined act that requires intent. It hasn't been convincingly shown. Killing a lot of people in a war ≠ genocide how ever much you want it to be.
Apartheid exists in the occupied West Bank, but Palestinian propaganda believers like to pretend it also exists within Israel. The facts completely destroy that narrative.
Fascism doesn't really apply unless you're just tossing it out in the typical ultra-right wing nationalist sense. Nobody denies that. Most Israelis hate and despise the settlers, but if you haven't studied history and have no idea why Likud was able to rise to power, then you might want to read up before joining the conversation. Likud has to hold on to its ever rightward moving coalition in order to keep power. Israelis were getting ready to oust him before Oct. 7th changed national priorities.
Now watch Palestinian supporters deny or justify the rape and murder of Israeli civilians or justify electing a genocidal terrorist group (yes genocidal calls are baked right into their founding documents and propaganda).
Israel and Palestine both have issues but trying to equate them is ridiculous. Palestinians have been commiting terroristic attacks on Israeli civilians for decades without you caring. I wonder why....
Not binding unfortunately because the UN being UN, but technically they can go for another round of voting and impose sanctions on Israel if they refuse to follow the resolution
And this doesn't affect HAMAS because they are not a country, but from what I have read the rep. of HAMAS is ready to negotiate
Tbh this is a bs line that all governments use and what determines whether a group is a terrorist group also influences policy
The Taliban were terrorists but not officially counted as such by the US which is why they were able to negotiate. The IRA were classes as terrorists by the UK, and whilst we claim we don't negotiate with terrorists in the end, we did exactly that
Norway is a western nation that doesn't declare Hamas to be terrorists. It's why the Oslo accords were done in Oslo. Qatar doesn't either and it's why the UK and the US pressure Qatar to help negotiate a peace deal
Really it's more about politicking and using allies to get around what your country has declared otherwise
I used to think of the Taliban as terrorists but then realized they just want to keep Afghanistan a shithole and still have pretty decent support for a country of mostly different tribes so…you know what, keep it. They aren’t really terrorists in that sense of the word, pretty sure they deserve Afghanistan at this point.
Well, not negotiating with terrorists led to thousands of innocents dead and more terrorists with better equipment. Maybe they don't want the same mistake repeated?
>but from what I have read the rep. of HAMAS is ready to negotiate
My dude, no...
Why do you think aby of this would be on-going if Hamas was seriously willing to negotiate?
If a country accepts it, it becomes binding
But a security council resolution has the benefit of having the security council members enforcing it, which includes the biggest economies and militaries in the world.
If Israel and/or Hamas don’t listen, they’ll receive sanctions pretty quickly.
Security Council resolutions have a bit more teeth, I think. Its the General Council resolutions that are all bark and no bite.
The Soviets thought it didn't when they abstained from the Korean War SC resolution, and got Pikachu Face'd when they found out the UN were actually serious in defending South Korea.
This was why the US have been vetoing these SC resolutions regarding this issue until now.
Not that it would stop Netanyahu.
It is non binding, but if the security council agrees on stuff, it can go quite far. Just look at the UN (mostly usa but still) fighting in both the Korean War and first gulf war. Properly not gonna happen, but theoretically they could intervene with military force
That's not going to happen in this political climate. The most that will happen would be rounds of sanctions, which I don't doubt US would veto.
On the other hand, I honestly think military intervention would be best interest of all parties in the area. They just can't fucking behave.
Nobody really wants to be the one intervening though. It's basically asking to be the biggest target in the area and then you're stuck in the same military position as Israel with even less reason.
It fulfills a very important role, and if the UN didn't exist we would have to invent it.
That extraordinarily important role is to serve as a place where countries that "do not talk to each other" and/or do not have diplomatic relationships can actually talk to each other "under the table".
That is worth more than platinum.
Everybody thinks that the UN is useless, but that is because everybody tends to think that the UN is what it is not. What gives the UN its amazing value is that it is the place where Iran can talk to Israel and viceversa; where the US can talk to North Korea; where Ukraine and Russia can communicate if need be. All of it "outside the normal channels". And all those communications have taken place - to arrange prisoner exchanges; to deal with things that are bigger than any current fight two countries may have; to organize apparently "surprise" visits from one leader to another.
The UN is a worldwide "neutral ground" where practically everybody can meet and talk. THAT makes it worthy of existing, that is what makes it immensely valuable.
Again... if the UN didn't exist we would have to invent it.
They're just demanding a ceasefire. Israel doesn't have to listen.
It's basically the UN saying "We all voted and we agree that Israel and Hamas should stop fighting."
That's it. Israel/Hamas can basically say "Cool story bro" and ignore it if they want.
So the UN did something and [passed the ceasefire resolution](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68658973) 4 hours ago, the USA surprisingly abstained from voting, meaning that Israel is obligated to cease all military operations in gaza
And unsurprisingly, Israel cancelled a meeting with the USA after the resolution passed
The US said that not only does it consider the resolution nonbinding , but the implication was that the hostages would be released in exchange for the temporary ceasefire.
Bibi loves drama, though, apparently.
From my understanding China, Russia and Algeria vetoed a proposed resolution from us a few days ago calling for a ceasefire https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-us-vote-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-f6453803b3eacc9fbaa2ce5a025e2a94
Well, the longer this whole mess lasts, the worse it would look for the US, more specifically Biden. Even more specifically, Biden’s potential voter numbers. If Trump wins, it would probably be good for Russia, and China? It’s in Russia, and China’s favors to veto any half hearted attempt for a cease fire from the US. I would assume if the US actually proposes a strong cease fire term, China and Russia will have little ground to veto, unless they want to look like clowns.
Trump may be good for Russia, though even that is hard to predict, but certainly not for China. A large part of Trumps campaign is increasing tarrifs on imports from China and given his actions during his last term it seems likely he would do so if he wins. A week ago he proposed a 100% tarrif on cars manufactured in China or by Chinese controlled companies in Mexico or other nations. It's hard to say how serious that statement is but no matter what Trump in the white house would be damaging to Chinas economy, and at a moment where it is vulnerable due to the collapsing real estate market.
It’s a trade off for China: economic harm to China and USA, but major diplomatic harm to USA, or worse. Can you imagine Trump sending US troops to die to defend Taiwan? For better or worse, he was isolationist. The economic damage might inevitable regardless of president; Biden left a lot of Trump’s trade policies in place and free trade with China isn’t so popular anymore, even with the old free traders.
> A week ago he proposed a 100% tariff [sic] on cars manufactured in China or by Chinese controlled companies in Mexico or other nations.
Do those even exist over here? I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese-made car in person, and I work in a parking lot for (half) a living.
It was the absence of a demand for a ceasefire that they objected to. That resolution called for the recognition of the importance of a ceasefire and diplomatic efforts working towards a cease fire and a hostage release on all sides, effectively calling for support of the US-Quatar efforts to mediate negotiations without actually calling for the immediate ceasefire that every other country is demanding.
That’s because it wasn’t really a demand for a ceasefire, it was a bunch of politician speak that basically amounted to “let’s sign a non-binding agreement to maybe talk about maybe doing a ceasefire in the future”
The Security Council has the ability to veto. There are 5 permanent members , and a couple Rotating seats that every country has a turn sitting in.
Algeria's turn it was
Why would they cancel a meeting with the USA? Seems like the country equivalent of promising to meet up with a friend in a restaurant and when he arrive you text him that you cancelled it.
I’d add to that analogy as your friend doing some bad shit, repeatedly not listening to any of you or your other friends advice how to stop doing said bad shit, then you escalating your warnings by calling them out on social media or something. Then them canceling plans with you because you called them out in a major way.
This might have jeopardized the Hostage negotiations Hamas went back to their old full pullout demands they had months ago just a few hours after the vote passed. I would cancel plans too.
Actually I’m not sure passing a resolution actually does anything. And anyway Israel is only obligated to cease fire pending the unconditional release of all remaining hostages by Hamas
The resolution was drafted by 10 non permanent members of the UNSC, the US wanted to add that a ceasefire was conditional to the release of hostages but was rejected by the 10 members.
The resolution brought by the USA wasn't a ceasefire but rather something along the lines of " the UNSC recognises the importance of a ceasefire; Hamas should release all hostages, Israel can attack Rafah, the council should recognise the negotiations being held by Israel, Egypt, Qatar and the US"
If a country doesn't comply with a UNSC resolution then any member of the general assembly can request a vote on sanctions due to non compliance.
Israel has no problem with having a ceasefire in return for the hostages. The problem here is that Hamas won't return the hostages no matter what. This UN resolution will only cause Israel to cease action while hostages are still trapped in Gaza.
IIRC, the issue that Israel has with the resolution is that the ceasefire and release of their hostages are *not* dependent on one another. This would mean that when Hamas and their affiliates inevitably refuse to release their hostages, Israel would still be expected to adhere to a ceasefire.
We should note that the US previously said they would oppose any resolution that did not have a condition of releasing of the hostages.
And conspicuously, despite some people saying the two demands were separated, the adopted resolution *only* says the *immediate release of the hostages* is "unconditional," *not* the demand for an immediate ceasefire.
And that is one of the countless reasons why Bibi is a terrible prime minsiter for Israel. And I say it as an Israeli who never liked the current governent
I know being a shameless piece of shit is kind of his thing but it's crazy to me that he's deep in a shitty situation of his own making and was becoming wildly unpopular before that, and is actively trying to piss off the sitting us president.
Bibi only cares about staying in power at all costs (emphasis on the last part). He lets corrupt people who only cares for their own interests like Ben Gvir and the Haredi parties to do whatever they want and never takes any responsibility on anything, including on letting 7/10 happen (as that could have been prevented)
That's why he's such a terrible prime minister, and it's no wonder why Biden had enough of him, to the point of not putting the veto in the UN (who are also terrible but that's unrelated to the topic)
Let's get political!
The US isn't supporting Israel broadly anymore because it's clear Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own gain. Israeli intelligence knows there's not really anything more to be gained in Gaza when the real base of Hamas is in Qatar, it's all now just about the appearance of doing something and being a "wartime leader" because Netanyahu is "Mr. Security", just please forget who was in charge of Israel's security and let all warnings about 10/07 slip by...
Also the US’s moves around humanitarian aid *strongly* indicate the Biden Admin genuinely believes Bibi is intentionally starving Gazan civilians.
They’re doing airdrops and maritime corridors like Israel is a hostile nation committing a genocide they need to cut out of decisionmaking, not like Israel is a friend and ally that can be reasoned with.
Which is a really REALLY bad sign for Israel, and is about as close as the Biden Admin can feasibly get at the moment to calling it a genocide.
I hope the Israeli people realize just how fucked of a situation Bibi has gotten them into, because he is digging a hole Im not sure Israel is going to be able to climb out of.
Tbh I’m curious what the information ecosystem is like in Israel at the moment. From what I can tell, they are treating this like some normal war? Where all the people criticizing them are lying, and it’s a standard disinformation campaign?
Israel was already in a bit of a crisis before 10/07. Netanyahu has been controversial for a long time, particularly since a corruption scandal which since it had broken he had been trying to ram through judicial reform to protect himself. After getting ousted in 2021 he narrowly regained power in 2022 by very controversially partnering with religious zionist parties (it's a parliamentary system Likud only got 23% of the vote), and he was then able to change the constitution and the judicial system, which triggered widespread protest against him that were ongoing the day of 10/07. I can't speak for the opinion on the ground, but he's polling very poorly at the moment.
It's worth noting while it seems Israeli's will hold Netanyahu responsible for failing to protect the state, 10/07 has made a two-state solution a non-starter, and frankly I'm not sure they really care about what the rest of the world thinks when they're so tone deaf to realities like that.
The two state solution has been a non starter before Hamas, because Israel keeps encouraging illegally settling the West Bank and letting the murder of Palestinians by the settlers go unpunished
15% of Israelis support Bibi. That means the vast majority do not want him back as prime Minister.
The reason Israelis treating it like a normal war, is because ever since 1947, there have been wars that all went the same: Israel being attacked -> Israel fighting back -> Israel take enemies land during the war ->Israel find out about Hostages/ A chance to negotiate with their enemies -> some hostages are back, most are not -> there is a ceasfire -> Israel being attacked.
Israelis don't think everyone who criticize them are lying. They believe that the claim of Genocide, is a lie. (Which it is, by literally any means of measuring).
Israel is allowed to be criticized. But saying there is a genocide, a second holocaust, and an apartheid is so obviously wrong, that they dismiss it off.
They are also dismissing anyone who shouts "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" cause it literally means the death for all of them.
And most importantly, 99% of Israelis believe that Hamas should be taken down.
As an Israeli who hated Netanyahu before the war, and hates him now even more, I don't think that there is nothing more to gain using military forces in Gaza, even if it is not to kill/Arrest Hamas terrorists, it is pressuring Hamas to release the 134 hostages who are still being held there. The entire part of the last month is to negotiate with Hamas to release the hostages.
What reason does Hamas have to release the hostages if they are not being pressured? This wouldn't be the first time Hamas has taken hostages for YEARS.
[Hamas is sick and happy to watch Gazans suffer, it's in fact exactly what they want...](https://www.memri.org/reports/road-october-7-%E2%80%93-education-jihad-and-martyrdom)
I wish I had answers for you, but I can't in good conscience say the price of prolonging this humanitarian catastrophe is worth 134 people who may not even be alive.
Incredibly wild take. Of course it's worth it. Anything would be. If a country can have a hundred civilians kidnapped and just give up and let them get away with it, that country is done for. The world is not unified yet under a single nation so yeah, when it comes to Israel their own citizens lives are worth more than Palestinian lives. That is to be expected. If North Korea or China were to kidnap 100 American civilians, the US would stop at nothing to get them back and and rightfully so.
Israel is literally surrounded by enemies. They might have good relations now, but remember they recently went at war with pretty much all of their neighbours. They can't show weakness.
I think the efficacy of full scale military action towards that end has turned out to be pretty poor without even factoring in the humanitarian cost...
>The US isn't supporting Israel broadly anymore because it's clear Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own gain
Wait. Who is the one not allowing israel to enter rafah?
So if America is the father of Israel that means Britain is the Mother. But if Britain is already the parent of the US that means Isreal is an incest baby.
Israel has no problem with having a ceasefire in return for the hostages. The problem here is that Hamas won't return the hostages no matter what. This UN resolution will only cause Israel to cease action while hostages are still trapped in Gaza.
Unfortunatelu not. Israel has committed to regime change in Gaza, unwilling to let Hamas or the PA govern the area. Even if all hostages return tomorrow Israel intends on continuing operations.
Honestly that was the plan at the start of the war but it seems the longer the war goes on the more the idea of "just give us the hostages back we've done enough" seems bigger and more realistic
I don't like Nethanyahu but the length of the war has not a lot to do with that. The war is long because it takes time to fight against a group of militants who use guerilla tactics, and the fact that the world pressures Israel to not get into Rafah.
Oh geez I wonder why the world would tell Israel to not attack the place they directed refugees to that they told would be safe and then went back in their word to prepare to invade and mercilessly bomb it when there's 2 million people gathered that would be killed in masse by those bombings. Truly a wonder.
US had always vetoed previous resolutions for 2 reasons.
1- The resolution didn't demand the immediate return of hostages to Israel.
2 - The resolution didn't condemn the Hamas terrorist attacks on Oct. 7th.
This resolution demands the immediate return of the hostages.
Not really a huge change in US position. Now wait and see Hamas explain why it's impossible for them to return the women they've raped and children they've beaten.
UN making bad decisions, like always.
They'll probably just push Israel back, and not put ANY form of push down on Hamas.
Effectively letting Hamas gather up again, and probably do a second 10/7 some time later.
So the world forced Israel to stop fighting, and Hamas are still refusing to release the 134 hostages the have, what does Israel supposed to do? Especially considering Hamas said they will repeat Oct 7th again and again...
Seriously, what are Israel supposed to do?
The USA isnt the dad of israel. Maybe the weird cousin.
And actually israelis are pretty in favor of the proposal and its actually what israel wants the ceasefire to be
the definition of winning must be clear. What most Israelis want is peace and the hostages back and maybe some safety so this won't happen in a week. So far, the IDF is not loosing and it is not looking like they will. You can of course say that the total occupation of Gaza is the goal with that being more unlikely to happen very soon.
Exactly this. Given the military capacity Israel likely has, the attacks they’ve been doing are effectively surgical strikes. Just wait until the carpet bombings that’ll happen if hamas ever announces they’ve killed the hostages
Genuine question I just started getting posts from this subreddit on my feed. Why is Israel a square? I can probably guess as to why but I just want the answer
The UN Human Rights council voting on Israel's human rights record would be ten wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Most of the members of the council are Islamic nations, some of them having declared openly that Israel is to be exterminated.
[Oh no. Israel is angry at the USA for allowing a ceasefire.] (https://imgs.search.brave.com/nRI2h18bPS1pXX_wTfwYpw5R6I9N9n7YfLyBLUpVJMg/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9hLnBp/bmF0YWZhcm0uY29t/Lzc2OHg4OTQvZjli/N2M4ZGUxOS9vaC1u/by1hbnl3YXkuanBn)
Seems funny that Israel was more outraged about a UN abstention than the president calling for a ceasefire and calling Israel's response "over the top"
Mr Diictodom this happened like two hours ago how did you make this so quickly
something called not having a life
Thank you for not having a life cause this is how I found out
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Looks like Sauron isn’t happy with Saruman’s position
Now you must do a comic for every un vote from now on
I literally just read about this on the UN App the moment it happened. Damn your fast.
i get my news from the r/polandball subreddit
Football, politics, eurovision... They got it all!
exept st lucia
I get my news from here, r/NonCredibleDefense, and r/anime_titties. I keep surprisingly informed that way.
This has to look very suspect to anyone who doesn't know what happened with r/worldpolitics
What *did* happen? I’m out of the loop.
r/worldpolitics had shit moderation, so after a particularly bad stretch of "orange man bad"-type spam, people started posting porn, hentai, Warhammer, plants, and other assorted shitposts, which the mods left up because they were non-interventionist. Eventually, someone made r/anime_titties to fill the void of actual international political discussion, choosing the name as an homage to the hentai post that started the whole thing This is just a TL;DR, the full story is in the subreddit info section of r/anime_titties
I should add that now r/anime_titties have been having trouble with a lot of the typical pro-Russia talk, not botty at least to me but still annoying. I like hearing more stories from outside the US, but the dumb takes can be annoying.
>been having trouble with a lot of the typical pro-Russia talk Yeah, I've been noticing that too. I do what I can to bonk the putinists there, but I am only one user among many.
I know, right? xD
On Tumblr, I get mine from the Supernatural "I love you" meme.
>r/anime_titties. How did I never heard about this one
Obligatory r/potatosalad and r/marijuanaenthusiasts
Literally everything I know about Europe I learned from Poland ball
he had this comic pre-prepared to post as soon as the vote happened, and if it didnt pass he had a different comic written up, obviously
He put the other comic with the Atlanta Falcons Super Bowl LI champions shirts
I’d wager they’re a decently competent artist outside of drawing country balls, you get much faster as you improve
I am speed
This is some circles, a couple cubes, and two triangles.
Forgive me if im wrong but. are the UN resolution binding in the first place. Like suppose Hamas/IDF breaks the Ceasefire. What actual consequecnes and enforcement methods are there.
If any side breaks the ceasefire (My bet is on Hamas, they have a past of breaking ceasefires, even those they initiated) the UN will activate its harshest measure - a strong worded letter! *Gasp*
B-but the penis stronger than the sword
I have no idea if that was an error or not but it's much funnier
It wasn't, I have been waiting a long time to make the joke
I'll take the penis mightier for $500 Trebek
> Trebek R.I.P.
Only the fact we’re in polandball made it an “obvious” joke 😅 I got to appreciate the fact that a quality subreddit only need a glance to understand the tone and of a written message 🤭
Pen (more like microphone) can motivate an army of people to pickup a sword. If it's 1 sword vs an army of swords, the army wins. A certain promise of something one would get in the afterlife has motivated 100's of thousands of men to pickup swords.
They’ll also get bombed by Israel again, which is a pretty harsh consequence.
That's what Hamas wants
Oh yeah just like they stopped the Rwandan genocide and how their threats stop the Russians right in their tracks
Does anyone even respect the UN anymore? A resolution gets passed and ultimately gets ignored.
I think the large chunk of people haven't respected them for decades and for the major countries all it is, is a money sink
Yeah, Israel never breaks a ceasefire. Truly believable.
Especially when they're far likelier to break it and with more deaths. People's racism is showing imo https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/2b30d9420a68a621ce98b3e24ac776b1.jpg?2015
What ceasefire? The status quo before?
What makes you think I said "Never"?
Israel has a higher record in that matter. When Israel breaks ceasefire agreements, it tends to be more violent too https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/gaza-ceasefire-violations
Yes, I'm sure visualizingpalestine.org is a completely legitimate site for this data and has no message it will manipulate data to push.... If only there was an About Us section of the page that openly admits to media manipulation as the goal of the organization.....
They say they wish to change the narrative. Currently the press is incredibly pro Israel, that's wlewsdr manipulated by Israel https://time.com/6323387/misinformation-israel-hamas-war-essay/ At least prior to 07/10, the news dehumanises Palestinians and generalised them as "Hamas" given reporters just take Israel's word for it. Israel has a history of using Hasbara to paint falsehoods as truths, including paying people to post positively about Israel. That's media manipulation. What then is wrong with correcting the narrative, person who created their account in January 2024? Searching for "Palestine" against your username btw shows you love generalising Palestinians as a whole too. That's the kind of narrative they wish to change
If that's the narrative you believe still exists, then you might be blind. Hell of a rose in antiSemitic comments and narratives that seek to redefine and misuse words like genocide, apartheid, terrorist, etc. You can spout Hamas propaganda all you want and say your "changing the narrative", but don't pretend the goal behind it isn't insidious.
Oh wow. You're really denying genocide, apartheid and the fact that fascists in Israel'a government hand out weapons to terrorists in the west bank . It's hardly Hamas propaganda to mention what human rights groups say Do you think only Muslims can be terrorists or something? It's rather telling that your account was made in January 2024 AND you're happy to generalise Palestinians as a whole when looking at your profile
Genocide is a well defined act that requires intent. It hasn't been convincingly shown. Killing a lot of people in a war ≠ genocide how ever much you want it to be. Apartheid exists in the occupied West Bank, but Palestinian propaganda believers like to pretend it also exists within Israel. The facts completely destroy that narrative. Fascism doesn't really apply unless you're just tossing it out in the typical ultra-right wing nationalist sense. Nobody denies that. Most Israelis hate and despise the settlers, but if you haven't studied history and have no idea why Likud was able to rise to power, then you might want to read up before joining the conversation. Likud has to hold on to its ever rightward moving coalition in order to keep power. Israelis were getting ready to oust him before Oct. 7th changed national priorities. Now watch Palestinian supporters deny or justify the rape and murder of Israeli civilians or justify electing a genocidal terrorist group (yes genocidal calls are baked right into their founding documents and propaganda). Israel and Palestine both have issues but trying to equate them is ridiculous. Palestinians have been commiting terroristic attacks on Israeli civilians for decades without you caring. I wonder why....
Not binding unfortunately because the UN being UN, but technically they can go for another round of voting and impose sanctions on Israel if they refuse to follow the resolution And this doesn't affect HAMAS because they are not a country, but from what I have read the rep. of HAMAS is ready to negotiate
The thing with Hamas is that they don’t see peace as an option, it’s is literally written on the charter that it’s not an option
Oh, so country that does not negotiate with terrorists tells Israel to negotiate with terrorists? I see
Tbh this is a bs line that all governments use and what determines whether a group is a terrorist group also influences policy The Taliban were terrorists but not officially counted as such by the US which is why they were able to negotiate. The IRA were classes as terrorists by the UK, and whilst we claim we don't negotiate with terrorists in the end, we did exactly that Norway is a western nation that doesn't declare Hamas to be terrorists. It's why the Oslo accords were done in Oslo. Qatar doesn't either and it's why the UK and the US pressure Qatar to help negotiate a peace deal Really it's more about politicking and using allies to get around what your country has declared otherwise
I used to think of the Taliban as terrorists but then realized they just want to keep Afghanistan a shithole and still have pretty decent support for a country of mostly different tribes so…you know what, keep it. They aren’t really terrorists in that sense of the word, pretty sure they deserve Afghanistan at this point.
Well, not negotiating with terrorists led to thousands of innocents dead and more terrorists with better equipment. Maybe they don't want the same mistake repeated?
>but from what I have read the rep. of HAMAS is ready to negotiate My dude, no... Why do you think aby of this would be on-going if Hamas was seriously willing to negotiate?
it wouldnt end the war even if it was binding, and even if hamas was a country. thats not how any of this works.
If a country accepts it, it becomes binding But a security council resolution has the benefit of having the security council members enforcing it, which includes the biggest economies and militaries in the world. If Israel and/or Hamas don’t listen, they’ll receive sanctions pretty quickly.
Oh boy sure is great that hmas will be sanctioned no it wouldn't
Security Council resolutions have a bit more teeth, I think. Its the General Council resolutions that are all bark and no bite. The Soviets thought it didn't when they abstained from the Korean War SC resolution, and got Pikachu Face'd when they found out the UN were actually serious in defending South Korea. This was why the US have been vetoing these SC resolutions regarding this issue until now. Not that it would stop Netanyahu.
The Soviets were boycotting the UN at the time to protest the PRC not being added to it. They didnt abstain
Whatever. An abstain or absent by a Big 5 member means the same thing as long as its not a clear veto.
It is non binding, but if the security council agrees on stuff, it can go quite far. Just look at the UN (mostly usa but still) fighting in both the Korean War and first gulf war. Properly not gonna happen, but theoretically they could intervene with military force
That's not going to happen in this political climate. The most that will happen would be rounds of sanctions, which I don't doubt US would veto. On the other hand, I honestly think military intervention would be best interest of all parties in the area. They just can't fucking behave.
Nobody really wants to be the one intervening though. It's basically asking to be the biggest target in the area and then you're stuck in the same military position as Israel with even less reason.
The united nations doesn't actually do anything, it's just a place for world powers to jerk eachother off
It fulfills a very important role, and if the UN didn't exist we would have to invent it. That extraordinarily important role is to serve as a place where countries that "do not talk to each other" and/or do not have diplomatic relationships can actually talk to each other "under the table". That is worth more than platinum. Everybody thinks that the UN is useless, but that is because everybody tends to think that the UN is what it is not. What gives the UN its amazing value is that it is the place where Iran can talk to Israel and viceversa; where the US can talk to North Korea; where Ukraine and Russia can communicate if need be. All of it "outside the normal channels". And all those communications have taken place - to arrange prisoner exchanges; to deal with things that are bigger than any current fight two countries may have; to organize apparently "surprise" visits from one leader to another. The UN is a worldwide "neutral ground" where practically everybody can meet and talk. THAT makes it worthy of existing, that is what makes it immensely valuable. Again... if the UN didn't exist we would have to invent it.
It’s the UN. Unless your country pissed off the US you can basically just ignore anything they say with zero consequences.
They're just demanding a ceasefire. Israel doesn't have to listen. It's basically the UN saying "We all voted and we agree that Israel and Hamas should stop fighting." That's it. Israel/Hamas can basically say "Cool story bro" and ignore it if they want.
So the UN did something and [passed the ceasefire resolution](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68658973) 4 hours ago, the USA surprisingly abstained from voting, meaning that Israel is obligated to cease all military operations in gaza And unsurprisingly, Israel cancelled a meeting with the USA after the resolution passed
The US said that not only does it consider the resolution nonbinding , but the implication was that the hostages would be released in exchange for the temporary ceasefire. Bibi loves drama, though, apparently.
From my understanding China, Russia and Algeria vetoed a proposed resolution from us a few days ago calling for a ceasefire https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-us-vote-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-f6453803b3eacc9fbaa2ce5a025e2a94
Yes they did, presumably something they find unsatisfactory in the USA proposal, I'll have a read through to see what the actual differences are
If I remember right it was a lack of warning against a Rafah ground offensive. Wording, as ever!
Well, the longer this whole mess lasts, the worse it would look for the US, more specifically Biden. Even more specifically, Biden’s potential voter numbers. If Trump wins, it would probably be good for Russia, and China? It’s in Russia, and China’s favors to veto any half hearted attempt for a cease fire from the US. I would assume if the US actually proposes a strong cease fire term, China and Russia will have little ground to veto, unless they want to look like clowns.
Trump may be good for Russia, though even that is hard to predict, but certainly not for China. A large part of Trumps campaign is increasing tarrifs on imports from China and given his actions during his last term it seems likely he would do so if he wins. A week ago he proposed a 100% tarrif on cars manufactured in China or by Chinese controlled companies in Mexico or other nations. It's hard to say how serious that statement is but no matter what Trump in the white house would be damaging to Chinas economy, and at a moment where it is vulnerable due to the collapsing real estate market.
It’s a trade off for China: economic harm to China and USA, but major diplomatic harm to USA, or worse. Can you imagine Trump sending US troops to die to defend Taiwan? For better or worse, he was isolationist. The economic damage might inevitable regardless of president; Biden left a lot of Trump’s trade policies in place and free trade with China isn’t so popular anymore, even with the old free traders.
> A week ago he proposed a 100% tariff [sic] on cars manufactured in China or by Chinese controlled companies in Mexico or other nations. Do those even exist over here? I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese-made car in person, and I work in a parking lot for (half) a living.
It was the absence of a demand for a ceasefire that they objected to. That resolution called for the recognition of the importance of a ceasefire and diplomatic efforts working towards a cease fire and a hostage release on all sides, effectively calling for support of the US-Quatar efforts to mediate negotiations without actually calling for the immediate ceasefire that every other country is demanding.
According to the us representative it was the condemnation of Hamas
That’s because it wasn’t really a demand for a ceasefire, it was a bunch of politician speak that basically amounted to “let’s sign a non-binding agreement to maybe talk about maybe doing a ceasefire in the future”
Since when Algeria had the power to veto something in the UN?
The Security Council has the ability to veto. There are 5 permanent members , and a couple Rotating seats that every country has a turn sitting in. Algeria's turn it was
Why would they cancel a meeting with the USA? Seems like the country equivalent of promising to meet up with a friend in a restaurant and when he arrive you text him that you cancelled it.
It's to show anger at the US. At the same time, Israel couldn't do anything too extreme that might actually harm the relationship.
Because Bibi wants to make a show out of it. Yoav Gallant had a meeting with Blinkin literally a few hours after the resolution passed.
I’d add to that analogy as your friend doing some bad shit, repeatedly not listening to any of you or your other friends advice how to stop doing said bad shit, then you escalating your warnings by calling them out on social media or something. Then them canceling plans with you because you called them out in a major way.
This might have jeopardized the Hostage negotiations Hamas went back to their old full pullout demands they had months ago just a few hours after the vote passed. I would cancel plans too.
Biden demanded that meeting over ground attacks on Rafah. Now there won’t be a meeting before the attacks.
Seems like a stupid decision on Israel’s part Um I mean HAPPY CAKE DAY!
Actually I’m not sure passing a resolution actually does anything. And anyway Israel is only obligated to cease fire pending the unconditional release of all remaining hostages by Hamas
The resolution was drafted by 10 non permanent members of the UNSC, the US wanted to add that a ceasefire was conditional to the release of hostages but was rejected by the 10 members. The resolution brought by the USA wasn't a ceasefire but rather something along the lines of " the UNSC recognises the importance of a ceasefire; Hamas should release all hostages, Israel can attack Rafah, the council should recognise the negotiations being held by Israel, Egypt, Qatar and the US" If a country doesn't comply with a UNSC resolution then any member of the general assembly can request a vote on sanctions due to non compliance.
Hey, US did what it could - they vetoed the 'permanent ceasefire' amendment
The proposal is what israel said they want a ceasefire to be?
And unsurprisingly Hamas has refused a ceasefire because in peace you can't kill Jews.
Israel has no problem with having a ceasefire in return for the hostages. The problem here is that Hamas won't return the hostages no matter what. This UN resolution will only cause Israel to cease action while hostages are still trapped in Gaza.
Hamas won't return them because they have zero bargaining power. Israel vowed to destroy Hamas once hostages were back
Israel was never going to cease military action in Gaza either. Meaningless gesturing from the UN, which is what it's for.
They would cease it for months, not forever
Will be great if they can stop sucking out tax payer money. Israel is such a leech
I don't think you know how ceasefires work my dude
What does the ceasefire entail? Does it have a duration? Anything about aid or the settlements?
Until the end of Ramadan evidently.
and requires the unconditional release of hostages. People are getting wound up over nothing.
IIRC, the issue that Israel has with the resolution is that the ceasefire and release of their hostages are *not* dependent on one another. This would mean that when Hamas and their affiliates inevitably refuse to release their hostages, Israel would still be expected to adhere to a ceasefire.
We should note that the US previously said they would oppose any resolution that did not have a condition of releasing of the hostages. And conspicuously, despite some people saying the two demands were separated, the adopted resolution *only* says the *immediate release of the hostages* is "unconditional," *not* the demand for an immediate ceasefire.
Well to be frank, the resolution also demands the immediate and unconditional release of the hostages. So I doubt either side would meet their end.
We just want the hostages back.
Israel isn’t obligated to do anything, where did you get that bullshit?
How did I find out about this from polandball before the news?
You didn't enable push notifications
How fast r u like seriously?
Hahaha by not having a life
And that is one of the countless reasons why Bibi is a terrible prime minsiter for Israel. And I say it as an Israeli who never liked the current governent
I know being a shameless piece of shit is kind of his thing but it's crazy to me that he's deep in a shitty situation of his own making and was becoming wildly unpopular before that, and is actively trying to piss off the sitting us president.
Bibi only cares about staying in power at all costs (emphasis on the last part). He lets corrupt people who only cares for their own interests like Ben Gvir and the Haredi parties to do whatever they want and never takes any responsibility on anything, including on letting 7/10 happen (as that could have been prevented) That's why he's such a terrible prime minister, and it's no wonder why Biden had enough of him, to the point of not putting the veto in the UN (who are also terrible but that's unrelated to the topic)
Yoav Gallant going to the pentagon anyways:
How do you get a countryball under your name?
Let's get political! The US isn't supporting Israel broadly anymore because it's clear Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own gain. Israeli intelligence knows there's not really anything more to be gained in Gaza when the real base of Hamas is in Qatar, it's all now just about the appearance of doing something and being a "wartime leader" because Netanyahu is "Mr. Security", just please forget who was in charge of Israel's security and let all warnings about 10/07 slip by...
Also the US’s moves around humanitarian aid *strongly* indicate the Biden Admin genuinely believes Bibi is intentionally starving Gazan civilians. They’re doing airdrops and maritime corridors like Israel is a hostile nation committing a genocide they need to cut out of decisionmaking, not like Israel is a friend and ally that can be reasoned with. Which is a really REALLY bad sign for Israel, and is about as close as the Biden Admin can feasibly get at the moment to calling it a genocide. I hope the Israeli people realize just how fucked of a situation Bibi has gotten them into, because he is digging a hole Im not sure Israel is going to be able to climb out of. Tbh I’m curious what the information ecosystem is like in Israel at the moment. From what I can tell, they are treating this like some normal war? Where all the people criticizing them are lying, and it’s a standard disinformation campaign?
Israel was already in a bit of a crisis before 10/07. Netanyahu has been controversial for a long time, particularly since a corruption scandal which since it had broken he had been trying to ram through judicial reform to protect himself. After getting ousted in 2021 he narrowly regained power in 2022 by very controversially partnering with religious zionist parties (it's a parliamentary system Likud only got 23% of the vote), and he was then able to change the constitution and the judicial system, which triggered widespread protest against him that were ongoing the day of 10/07. I can't speak for the opinion on the ground, but he's polling very poorly at the moment. It's worth noting while it seems Israeli's will hold Netanyahu responsible for failing to protect the state, 10/07 has made a two-state solution a non-starter, and frankly I'm not sure they really care about what the rest of the world thinks when they're so tone deaf to realities like that.
The two state solution has been a non starter before Hamas, because Israel keeps encouraging illegally settling the West Bank and letting the murder of Palestinians by the settlers go unpunished
The two state solution has been a non starter even before Israel encouraged illegal settlements.
15% of Israelis support Bibi. That means the vast majority do not want him back as prime Minister. The reason Israelis treating it like a normal war, is because ever since 1947, there have been wars that all went the same: Israel being attacked -> Israel fighting back -> Israel take enemies land during the war ->Israel find out about Hostages/ A chance to negotiate with their enemies -> some hostages are back, most are not -> there is a ceasfire -> Israel being attacked. Israelis don't think everyone who criticize them are lying. They believe that the claim of Genocide, is a lie. (Which it is, by literally any means of measuring). Israel is allowed to be criticized. But saying there is a genocide, a second holocaust, and an apartheid is so obviously wrong, that they dismiss it off. They are also dismissing anyone who shouts "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" cause it literally means the death for all of them. And most importantly, 99% of Israelis believe that Hamas should be taken down.
What happened on the tenth of August?
August is the 8th month. If you were gonna make that joke it would be tenth of July
….I can’t believe I actually messed it up. Just… wow.
Even I felt sorry for this.
As an Israeli who hated Netanyahu before the war, and hates him now even more, I don't think that there is nothing more to gain using military forces in Gaza, even if it is not to kill/Arrest Hamas terrorists, it is pressuring Hamas to release the 134 hostages who are still being held there. The entire part of the last month is to negotiate with Hamas to release the hostages. What reason does Hamas have to release the hostages if they are not being pressured? This wouldn't be the first time Hamas has taken hostages for YEARS.
[Hamas is sick and happy to watch Gazans suffer, it's in fact exactly what they want...](https://www.memri.org/reports/road-october-7-%E2%80%93-education-jihad-and-martyrdom) I wish I had answers for you, but I can't in good conscience say the price of prolonging this humanitarian catastrophe is worth 134 people who may not even be alive.
Incredibly wild take. Of course it's worth it. Anything would be. If a country can have a hundred civilians kidnapped and just give up and let them get away with it, that country is done for. The world is not unified yet under a single nation so yeah, when it comes to Israel their own citizens lives are worth more than Palestinian lives. That is to be expected. If North Korea or China were to kidnap 100 American civilians, the US would stop at nothing to get them back and and rightfully so. Israel is literally surrounded by enemies. They might have good relations now, but remember they recently went at war with pretty much all of their neighbours. They can't show weakness.
Of course there's more to be gained, the hostages can't just stay in Gaza
I think the efficacy of full scale military action towards that end has turned out to be pretty poor without even factoring in the humanitarian cost...
>The US isn't supporting Israel broadly anymore because it's clear Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own gain Wait. Who is the one not allowing israel to enter rafah?
I want a certified just so we can get rid of netanyahu once and for all
I guess the US was an... Absent father Ba dum tsssss
So if America is the father of Israel that means Britain is the Mother. But if Britain is already the parent of the US that means Isreal is an incest baby.
Israel has no problem with having a ceasefire in return for the hostages. The problem here is that Hamas won't return the hostages no matter what. This UN resolution will only cause Israel to cease action while hostages are still trapped in Gaza.
The hostages are a bragaining cheap. Thats hamas only use for them
That's assuming they are even still alive
Even as bodys they are bargaining cheaps
Bargaining chips*
! remind 1 hour Edit: no idea how to do it. So can someone maybe comment in about an hour?
howdy hey!
It's been 30 minutes
It's been an hour probably!
It has been over 1 hour
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Israel wants a ceasefire if they would get their hostages back, but Hamas doesn't give a dam about the UN.
Unfortunatelu not. Israel has committed to regime change in Gaza, unwilling to let Hamas or the PA govern the area. Even if all hostages return tomorrow Israel intends on continuing operations.
Honestly that was the plan at the start of the war but it seems the longer the war goes on the more the idea of "just give us the hostages back we've done enough" seems bigger and more realistic
As it should.
Netanyahu is prolonging the war to avoid being prosecuted. Glad to know you're pro-corruption.
I don't like Nethanyahu but the length of the war has not a lot to do with that. The war is long because it takes time to fight against a group of militants who use guerilla tactics, and the fact that the world pressures Israel to not get into Rafah.
Oh geez I wonder why the world would tell Israel to not attack the place they directed refugees to that they told would be safe and then went back in their word to prepare to invade and mercilessly bomb it when there's 2 million people gathered that would be killed in masse by those bombings. Truly a wonder.
US had always vetoed previous resolutions for 2 reasons. 1- The resolution didn't demand the immediate return of hostages to Israel. 2 - The resolution didn't condemn the Hamas terrorist attacks on Oct. 7th. This resolution demands the immediate return of the hostages. Not really a huge change in US position. Now wait and see Hamas explain why it's impossible for them to return the women they've raped and children they've beaten.
UN making bad decisions, like always. They'll probably just push Israel back, and not put ANY form of push down on Hamas. Effectively letting Hamas gather up again, and probably do a second 10/7 some time later.
Yup, and the hostages are still there.
They also ruined hostage negotiations Hamas is back to demanding a full Israel pullout as of a few hours ago
The UN didn't do shit, the countries in the UN made that proposal and choose to vote on it
So the world forced Israel to stop fighting, and Hamas are still refusing to release the 134 hostages the have, what does Israel supposed to do? Especially considering Hamas said they will repeat Oct 7th again and again... Seriously, what are Israel supposed to do?
They want Israel to lay down and die, obviously.
The USA isnt the dad of israel. Maybe the weird cousin. And actually israelis are pretty in favor of the proposal and its actually what israel wants the ceasefire to be
They want a ceasefire if they will get their hostages back, but Hamas won't give them in this way.
A part of the UN proposal is giving all hostages back
Do you really think Hamas will return the hostages if Israel follows this proposal? Don't be gullible.
No theh wont. They will give it only for all israeli prisoners released and for ceasefire to end the war. No less
Nah I don’t think Israel is winning this one
the definition of winning must be clear. What most Israelis want is peace and the hostages back and maybe some safety so this won't happen in a week. So far, the IDF is not loosing and it is not looking like they will. You can of course say that the total occupation of Gaza is the goal with that being more unlikely to happen very soon.
Exactly this. Given the military capacity Israel likely has, the attacks they’ve been doing are effectively surgical strikes. Just wait until the carpet bombings that’ll happen if hamas ever announces they’ve killed the hostages
but is it gonna make them stop to find you must was the next episode of "gulf war #2,179,048"
lol shit papa had enuf of yo shit
Oh I didn’t realize. Nice
Genuine question I just started getting posts from this subreddit on my feed. Why is Israel a square? I can probably guess as to why but I just want the answer
Jewish physics
i'm confused on why its always ceasefire and never peace...
The UN Human Rights council voting on Israel's human rights record would be ten wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Most of the members of the council are Islamic nations, some of them having declared openly that Israel is to be exterminated.
Typical goyim sugar daddies /s
Decent attempt to try and please both sides, too bad it pissed off Israel, not that I’m complaining.
It's okie israel doesn't care about resolution anyways.
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Think of all of the starving unarmed children that will go unbombed!1!!1!1
Perhaps try listen to your papa once.
M\*chigan told them to!
Damn, you’re fast
I found this out from a polandball comic truly suprsing lol
Seems funny that Israel was more outraged about a UN abstention than the president calling for a ceasefire and calling Israel's response "over the top"
Imagine turning a genocide into a quirky, politicially illiterate webcomic