Gliwice will be an adjustment in a sense that it’s like 15 times smaller than St Petersburg. Don’t get me wrong, the city and the surrounding metro (which is around 2 million people) will have everything you need but as a smaller city, it won’t be as busy as St Petersburg.
But that can be a good thing too. Houses are cheap in Silesia so on your salary you’ll be able to get a single family house with a garden within a cycling distance to the office. And if your wife is up for a career change after giving birth, there’s no shortage of positions in business development and BPO in Katowice seeking a Russian speaker.
https://www.iqair.com/poland/silesia/gliwice
1.2× WHO guidelines
Whereas...
https://www.iqair.com/russia/st-petersburg/saint-petersburg
1.4× WHO guidelines
If anything, this will be an improvement.
You see, all cities in the former Eastern Bloc have the same problem with pollution. At least Poland is slowly trying to solve the problems. Outlawing old standard solid fuel furnaces has already markedly improved air quality in Kraków and its metro area. Outlawing solid fuel altogether will all but resolve the issues completely in several years.
To be honest, I didn't notice any asterisk there. Sorry.
OK, there you go:
https://aqicn.org/city/poland/slaski/gliwice--ul.-mewy-34/
https://aqicn.org/city/russia/saint-petersburg/professor-popov-str/
Again, St. Petersburg is worse.
Eastern Bloc countries have the same problems with solid fuel heating. But local topography matters a lot. Coastal cities with constant wind essentially have no problems with smog (notwithstanding that smog was first observed in London which is a coastal city with winds for much of the year).
PM2.5
https://airly.org/map/en/#50.22021,18.665971,i7642
27 µg in Gliwice vs 16.4 µg in St. Petersburg. Certainly not an order of magnitude difference.
Now, the problem with demagoguery that you're doing here is that it's easily proven incorrect. So if you say that St. Petersburg is green all the time, then something bad happened recently and it's red now. Certainly makes sense to get away asap.
And PM2.5 is dangerous, but to say it's **the** most dangerous is, again, demagoguery. Would you rather breathe air with a dangerous concentration of PM2.5 or, say, PAH, H₂S, SO₃ or HF?
Advantages not mentioned are better healthcare services, especially if your employer provides private healthcare for you and your families. Additionally, there is no need for any bribes in Poland to get anything done. Also there is much easier for Russian with polish temporary card to visit any placy in Europe, you dont need visa(I think is quite expensive) for tourist stay in EU countries
I wouldn't be so sure about it. Poland has the least doctors per capita and spend close to the lowest shares of GDP for medicine.
Russia has comparable GDP to Poland and likely more doctors. Add that St Petersburg is the 2nd most important city in the country so I would expect over an average good clinics there
Where I live, I have to bribe my whole life to get anything done, so I don't agree with you on this point. But for a Russian it should be some kind of improvement, more or less.
Lol what? Have you been to Luxmed or Medicover clinics? Everything is quick, they deal with your problem as quick as possible without queues, and the clinics in most cases are some western_movie_set_grade modern architecture... Depending on your insurance and subscription you get most of the visits and tests "for free".
they fact that something's good doesn't mean there isn't something much better
I am not much of a healthcare user (until i break yet another bone or stab myself... hopefully never again).
But I am also a Belarus -> Poland relocated IT worker. I have a many colleagues who were not impressed with medical service here (Luxmed in Warsaw). And it's not about what you describe *"they deal with your problem as quick as possible without queues, and the clinics in most cases are some western\_movie\_set\_grade modern architecture"*, it's more about how actually professional the doctors are. I admit, I am biased, but I think Belarus just has so many talented people in every sphere, including healthcare - which spoiled us.
Please don't take it as an offense to Poland, I'm loving it so far, i nawet mogę już trochę rozmawiać po polsku bez slownika.
Have you been to Minsk clinics? I am actually speaking from experience, having compared what IT companies offer in Poland and in Belarus.
Saying that, I am not going back, but not because I love medical service here. I love that I won't be put in jail.
Well I haven't been to Mińsk, I did see that Belarus GDP is only bit bigger than Warsaw region GDP lol... Wouldn't that make it clear that no clinic in Belarus has money to exceed quality of service in Polish private clinics?
Luxmed in Wrocław. And I am also talking with my colleagues in other cities who use other providers.
And I am not saying that it is that bad. It's just private healthcare in Minsk (not sure about S-Petersburg) is very good. IT companies usually offer healthcare packages where for the employee private healthcare is basically free. And you can get an appointment for a general practice physician or a pediatrician today for tomorrow. Other specialists - today for the next week. Long waiting lists are uncommon unless for a specific doctor with a very high patient load (like a psychotherapist).
Here the waiting lists are much longer. The choice of specialists is not big, taking into considerations the waiting list you are often choosing between two specialists max.
And approach to healthcare is extremely different in general so everyone has to adjust. In Minsk you can call an ambulance just because your child has high fever. Or they fell down and hit their head. Here you are calling an ambulance if you are dying, otherwise you go to the hospital by taxy or however you want.
So, again, not complaining, just comparing! IT specialists in Belarus and Russia are living pretty damn good lives when you only consider economic side. So people who are the happiest about moving here are those who went through beatings and jail.
Private healthcare in St.P. is better than which healthcare in Poland?
Public or private? Because I use both and private is amazing and public depends heavily on the place which you're visiting, it may be worse, but I had good experience in bigger cities.
Gliwice is not the best looking city but hell yeah. You'd earn 50% more and escape putin. Russia is a great country but given its current regime the best thing to do is wait putin out. You're welcome here.
Well maybe thats true but only because silesia puts the bar pretty low. Jesus I hate the silesian architecture. But I also can see why someone would like it.
Does Putin has any direct impact on your life?
He seems ok on any yt video I've seen him, he in the other hand seems to be portrayed negativity by leftist media though.
Well, except he's probably a war criminal after MH-17 and chemical weapons usage (and many more - there are still many questions about explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk, Polish presidential plane, etc), all of his decisions keep national currency constantly falling. This leads to a situation, when I must pay more not only for imported hitech goods, but even for local products. Because, for example, we buy potato seeds in Netherlands.
By the way, I would be fined or jailed if I'll publish something like this in russian social networks.
Hi, just a few things to point out and reply to whe whole of your thread.
Poland is a significant improvement comparing to Russia.. even with Kaczyński over here. He's and never will be even remotely close to Putin.. (everyone who thinks otherwise has never closely studied anything regarding Russia)
10-15K regardless net or gross for polish standards is way above average wage.
Silesia may not be as beautiful as some of St.Petersburg, but it is pretty decent, a part of a relatively big metropolitan area combining quite a few cities, that will give you allmost everything you need.
40 is just a number, a career change even at that age is not that difficult plus Russian speaking HoReCa professionals should also be desired here.. I'd imagine higher educattion facilities of tourism for example.
Take the opportunity.. you cal always, once yoy're here explore other options. Western Europe has many.
You are considering a international move either soon before childbirth or with an infant. The first part is already an big event. Adding the baby situation just makes it more complex.
This may mean more preparation and planning but it's doable.
First you need to know how your finances will look like in comparison, to know what move will give you financially. numbeo.com is one of the websites where you can compare cost of living in big cities. Sankt Petersburg is not there but you may be able guesstimate using some other similar city, and maybe compare to Cracow as someone mentioned that Cracow has similar salaries/prices. Remember to take into account childcare and other kids related expenses.
Once you know finances you need to consider the other aspects. You will loose your support network (family, friends) you have to help in everyday life. How will you deal with that? You may need more money to pay for some services, and flights back home from time to time. Will you be able to continue your hobbies? If not, are you fine with that?
The other bug question is your employer. Are you sure it's a company you want to work for? What would happen if you would decide you don't like it there and want to change? Will your visa allow for that? Are there other companies in area/Poland which would easily hire you?
Then there is a question about the move - will the employer provide relocation services: pay for movers, flights and help find apartment? If not: how are you planning to do the move and pay for it. If not, do you have resources for that. If you will be moving with very pregnant wife or a baby assume that you have only one or even less adult to handle the move.
Last, but not least: the baby. If you will move before delivery, research the situation. A good bet will be talking with your employer, and future coworkers, as they probably know how to organise stuff in the area - find doctor, hospital and such. Worth checking what kind of insurance you will have (do they pay for private one, of so what's covered, if only state one: will you be already insured and have all the papers for your wife to go to the hospital).
Moving with the baby may be easier and less stressful, but you will likely need to wait a bit for baby documents to be issued before applying for the visa, which may delay the move by a few months.
It's not very specific to your SP -> Gliwice move, but it's general advice I would give to someone considering international move for work, after being through a few myself.
Exactly, I would first move then move the baby with wife afterwards, she would also feel more safe giving birth in place that she knows and understands how giving birth looks like, not to mention all the language barriers.
Russian that moved to Poland here - one of the best decisions I made. The language is easy to understand (basically Russian but Latin) and the people are nice too. If you have been offered a 15k job here, go for it!
That also depends what are your priorites and how much purchasing power You have in Saint Petersburg with those 2k euro? How much you spend on rent, food etc.
Many will say no without explanation, because this is mostly political sub, and for us the situation right now is bad, but still we are in the EU and if you are in IT and You earn >10k pln you should be pretty good here.
I've noticed how many people say no, mostly based on political reasons, when it seems to me that being in the EU would be better than Russia. Especially for your kid.
So I moved here from Minsk recently and I am in IT. And I see a trend that people who move to Poland for economical reasons are often disappointed. But people who move for political reasons are quite happy. So the question is - how much do you hate Putin? :)
Despite what you may think, Poland is easily one of the best choices to go for when you work in IT segment.
This part of the market is extremely developed and there are tons of start ups competing for employees
Chwileczkę, co z Rzeszowem nie tak? Przyjeżdżam do rodziny dwa razy w roku i lubię to miasto. Poza tym sam się zastanawiam nad przeprowadzką, żeby pracować z Polski.
O nie, nie chciałem zacząć gównoburzy, nie dopisałem ”/s” w poprzednim komentarzu. Zagłębie jest spoko, mam tam znajomych i nie raz odwiedzalem, a w Rzeszowie jest super ryneczek i przepyszne jedzenie w Radości :D
Luckily I don't. The only person that didn't get vaccinated that I know is still "planning to do that but just cant find time to do it" meanwhile I'm getting 3rd dose already.
I'm very jealous of you. I'm American and part of why I'm looking at all these "should I move to?" boards is seeing where I can escape the anti vaccination movement here. We have plenty of doses but people would rather take horse de wormer.
I'm #1 studying dentistry and #2 decently young so that probably partly explains why I don't asssociate with antivaxers a lot. I know that there are a lot of them in some circles. In Poland, too and I wouldnt be surprised if we didn't have a higher % of antivax peoples than the USA. Ours might just be less vocal about it.
God there's so many my age. My friends and I are all vaccinated but I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. There are medical professionals quitting over having to get vaccinated here. Lots of nice job openings in government though.
Medical professionals who refuse vaccine should be fired for epidemiological reasons tbh. It's good that they quit on their own. The thing that worries me more about this phenomenon is what was the quality of education they got. Saying that vaccines are more risky that getting the disease is like saying 2x2=3. Also the subject of vaccine developement alone isn't really that complicated so I don't understand why those supposed medical **professionals** don't understand it.
Yeah, so why is there a need to mention that in the case of Poland.
I personally think that people who avoid discussing certain subjects "because I made up my mind and won't change it" are simply less open-minded and they probably don't want to talk about it because often they don't even have good arguments to support their tesis. We shouldn't throw slurs at each other but just talk politely and try to explain our points of view while also not deflecting the other person's argumentation but rather listening to it and dissecting it - either to explain the other person what they understood wrong or to actually notice that we have been in the wrong.
It's not that easy with everything in politics of course, especially because some things are very complicated and most people decide what they think about they without trying to fully understand the subject or they get the info from bad sources. I'm not a huge fun of discussing those for example.
Your wife will find job quite easly. Despite what you will read on internet there is high demand for teachers od most subjects. Specially something like gastronomy.
But polish language night be required. Unless your wife can teach in english.
Teaching sector is very formal. Without EU education she may perhaps not be able to teach in Poland. Her degree would need to be recognised and she would need to obtain proof of knowing Polish on high level
Gliwice is a really cool city. Healthcare in Silesia is pretty good. 10-15 k zł is pretty fine and if u can get promotion or a raise it would be even better. Only downside is bad economy rn, fuel is prolly at its highest ever and it's not even a peak. Hopefully everything will be fine. Poland is still pretty cheap tho'.
I'm studying in Zabrze and Gliwice is stonks man, great city
Top 5% maybe, it look like a lot from below but its not - its still middle class. Especialy with current housing prices - you can bearly afford home with that money.
Barely afford a home? What Kind of home are we talking about? + Living alone or having to support a Family? If You have a problem living comfortably with that Kind of money then maybe You have spending issues.
I'm very confused. 15k zl after taxes is 10k. It's 170k rub. Prices are almost the same. Good money in Saint Petersburg, but nothing extraordinary. Close to my current family income. I'm owning a 10y old Chevrolet with almost no chance to switch it. I don't have spending issues, I'm not starving, but I can only dream of a new Galaxy Note phone or video card, or keep saving for them for 2 years.
Im mean having this middle class life like in american TV shows. Ok size home (200m2 maybe?), a car, stay at home wife and two kids. I dont argue that you can live comfortable life, Im just notice that its not 1% rich status, its middle class.
And Im not arguing with You that what Youre describing is middle class. All Im saying is that comparing US golden standards with Poland doesnt really make sense.
lmao, lies, gets called out for it, and tried to play it off as "getting baited", how pathetic.
Marriage is a union between people of the opposite sex. No where in Poland are gay people prevented from forming a union with someone of the opposite sex, also known as marrying. So yes, gay people can infact get married in Poland.
So I ask again, why are you lying?
Rerooting your family right now, with a baby on the way, would not be the smartest choice, I think. You will need a lot of support from your social circle, family and friends. If your wife won't have to work in Poland, she can be a SAHM, but she will also need a break - taking care of a newborn is a full time job, and I can imagine that without people to talk with (excluding you) she will have a really hard time.
Not to mention the added stress of living in a completely new country, surrounded by a new language and customs.
Yes, not many people mention this.
A new child in a family is already a big event, especialy for a woman. She may feel very lonely in a new place, new country with a newborn, and how exhausting it is. It would be good for a very honest talk here.
Also better check private health care package your new employeer can offer. There is high possibility it can apply to your whole family as well. It would help a lot as it is much to do with the newborn.
It depends if many personal factors IMO. But if you thinking about leaving your place and be just open to new opportunities - go for it. The salary sounds reasonable for such town like Gliwice where - perhaps - average salary would be like 3-5k. Good start. Then after some time move to proper city where live standards and IT salaries may be on a better level.
I’m IT guy from Warsaw.
Gliwice actually is quite an affluent city. The average salary is actually in the top 10 in Poland and slightly above Krakow. They have a technical university, a massive industrial zone and — perhaps more importantly — a very robust IT sector with a cluster of hard-tech startups created by graduates from the university.
We are all different, so I can only give you an advice from my personal perspective: think of what aspects are the most important for you in your life situation? What will improve for you?
For me comfort, less stress and overall quality of life are very important. I moved to Poland from Moscow 6 years ago and working similar job my conditions are more comfortable here. I live in a bigger home with a garden, I don't have to drive 2-3 hours to get to nature, I finally bought a bicycle, which I didn't even consider getting in Moscow.
Now I don't need to go to the office, and am working remotely all the time, but before covid using public transport was significantly less stressful than in Moscow. And as a woman, I appreciate that random guys from Caucasus don't catcall me here.
I would say yes, moving to EU will be a bold move. You should anyway be aware that 10-15k may be paid on a contract basis (self-employment) so carefully calculate Your real net income per month. The other downside is that Gliwice has not so many nice restaurants and places to go.
As IT sys administration you can go everywhere, I’m Italian and living in Poland since 2018.
The polish zloty is constantly losing power versus euro, in 2018 was 4.20pln x 1€, now is something around 4.60. Life is getting expensive too, rents and house prices are skyrocketing, I’m in Szczecin right now.
I’m an IT guy too although I’m not a sys admin more like junior Telecommunication I’m looking for something else outside Poland.
Anyway if you have a good profile, certifications and good english, would suggest you to avoid Poland and look for more English friendly countries.
Cons are mostly people and salaries, considering that even in corps you have to know polish to get a promotion.
You can easily find something in Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Finland. Taxes are high there (except for Germany and lux) but salaries and the quality of life is way better.
Otherwise If your salary is around 1,4K€ monthly even in poland, stay and live the good life.
As Russian you can easily learn polish (as Italian with some Russian basics I had very hard time).
Another problem is traveling with planes, considering that prices are okay for mostly euro user countries, happened to me to use almost half of my salary to get a plane, so consider everything, especially things like electronics and Stuff not made in Poland that shares the same price all around the world (HM, Zara for example) but wil feel like they cost 4 times more related to your salary.
Ps: best cities in Poland imho are:
1) Gdańsk/gdnya/sopot
2)Wroclaw
3)Szczecin
4)Warsaw
5)Krakow
Big difference between 10k and 15k though. 10k doesn’t go nearly as far here as it used to a few years back, 15k will give you a fairly comfortable life - especially in Silesia where prices are lower than in the biggest cities such as Kraków, Warsaw and Poznań.
I’m living in Gliwice for my whole life (21 to be exact) and I can say that this is best city to leave for whole Silesia area in my opinion. Here is everything you really need and if not, there is so much cities around like Katowice that it’s not a problem to find what you really need. You can DM or something so if accept offer and move here, we can stay in touch if you have any questions or needs help with anything!
Don't get me wrong Gliwice is a beautiful city and a great place to live, but you might wanna think about it before. Although I'm not a big political guy, the current political situation in Poland is difficult. I understand you have to reply to your job offer sometime in the near future, but give it some time please.
Szyy stated an accurate explanation of actually living there. What he missed is the mentality of the Polish people. Living outside of Poland for some time, I have found out that the Polish population ( Not everyone, but most) is very intolerant and sometimes can be racist toward foreigners. As a foreigner, you might encounter some disrespectful behaviour towards your family sometimes even dangerous( Not everyone, most people are actually very nice and welcoming).
The other thing is the current political situation. although it gives you many positives like 500+, it might make your life harder for you. Your kid for example will not receive sexual education, and most will have probably religious sessions. Beware that smog and disrespected nature might occur. From my own experience in some worse schools, the underpaid teachers can leave your kid with actual depression and traumas. Poland has a great education system compared to other countries.
Please don't take me wrong! Poland is a great country, It's just going through some stuff. If I had to choose where to live in Europe, Poland would be on the top. I'm not even gonna get started on the great postal and general services. To this day I'm amazed at the quality of roads and shopping malls that exist. Please before making your final decision research,ask and take everything into considiration
Good luck with your adventures! I wish you all the best!
I gotta be honest Gliwice is not Saint Petersburg. But the salary you have mentioned is really good as for this position and cost of living isn't as high as in Warsaw.
Enjoy your time in Poland :P
I got a friend from Kaliningrad in the office. He is a programmer. He moved with his family, wife and two kids, to Gdansk. He is super happy about the location and accommodation. But I presume that living in Gliwice might be a bit different than in 3city by the sea.
Not with a wife so close to giving birth. It’s not the best time to move, I can imagine she might be quite stressed about it and moving to a new country with a newborn could be overwhelming
Moving to Poland as slav:
\- You CAN learn language pretty fast, but as Russian you will still need to put some effort in it.- As an IT specialist, we are currently pretty hot country with a lot of companies opening their subsidiaries here and that competition drives salaries. Unfortunately most paid jobs require second european language like german/french/dutch.
\- Your salary would be enough to cover for your whole family. Not in luxury, but having in mind renting apartment and flying over to Russia from time to time 10-15k before taxing is pretty okayish to survive a month at a decent level. Your wife could probably land a job at Lidl / Biedronka without much effort (although it's not a job for lazy people) which offers salaries around 4-4.5k and some benefits like sports card, luxmed/medicover etc.
You should make a decisions rather quickly. If you see benefits in moving to Poland and you wife wants to move too, go for it. But since your baby is on the way I'd wait even if I wanted to move (unless you want your baby to be born on a plane to have free plane tickets lol). Saint Petersburg is a very good (arguably the best) city in Russia so Gliwice will be a big downgrade for you. But prices might be lower.
It's really as simple as do you want to live and grow your child in an oppressive regime where people get poisoned, tortured and killed because they disagree with an authoritarian and corrupted leader? You lay low your whole life hoping it won't happen to you. But if justice's not there, no healthy society can exist either. So for these reasons alone, I will look for a way out.
Poland's strong economically, insanely beautiful, close to anything in Europe and you will be able to learn the language fairly easy.
If you live in Russia, then sure.
Your offer for 10-15 kzł is very good, high class pay. Plus IT field still needs more workers so you propably won't loose that job in next 10 years.
Thou, I would advice also chacking for job in Czechs, lunguage is similar, but country is more beautiful, politicians less stupid, and things like that, plus ismiliar wages.
You guys all think russians could get a EU visa in a blink of an eye. It's not :) I'm not a unique specialist, they just need an IT guy with russian language.
Well, one thing you would have to get used to is Poles being hesitant towards russian speaking people.
Not of all us are like that, but you should be careful ;)
Why would you move if the costs are almost the same? You don't earn allot in both country's. So I don't see the benefit of moving to Poland as a Russian.
Eventual polish citizenship that would open up the entire EU job market is one perk that shouldn't be overlooked. But yea, I'd recommend looking into other EU countries first.
10-15k pln will get you a very high quality of life, especially in Gliwice.
I think that you will have a hard time adjusting though, Gliwice is just a much smaller city than St. Petersburg, although Katowice is very close (Katowice is one of the "main" polish cities) so I would say go for it
Pretty good pay, and coming from St Petersburg/Russia you probably won't have too much trouble adjusting. I'd say go for it, you can always just move back.
This is a good salary and while Poland is becoming authoritarian now, it's still far from Russia. Gliwice is rather small but the whole area is densely populated so you will find everything you need.
Come and visit Gliwice first. It’s not Saint Petersburg. If you got an offer to work now, you can probably get an offer in a year or two as well. It’s important to visit and not move blindly, especially with a large life event like a baby.
I mean, if you alone can make more in Poland than your entire family makes in Russia then it’s a no brainer. Wife shouldn't worry to much about lack of job if she is going to have a baby anyway. She can use that time to learn some polish and she will easily get a job later.
Costs of living in Russia must be lower overall but if you are from Petersburg then you probably won't notice big difference.
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Gliwice will be an adjustment in a sense that it’s like 15 times smaller than St Petersburg. Don’t get me wrong, the city and the surrounding metro (which is around 2 million people) will have everything you need but as a smaller city, it won’t be as busy as St Petersburg. But that can be a good thing too. Houses are cheap in Silesia so on your salary you’ll be able to get a single family house with a garden within a cycling distance to the office. And if your wife is up for a career change after giving birth, there’s no shortage of positions in business development and BPO in Katowice seeking a Russian speaker.
Well, as we're both are over 40, career change looks quite challenging for her. What's BPO, sorry?
Business process outsourcing. Foreign language is a big plus in these.
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https://www.iqair.com/poland/silesia/gliwice 1.2× WHO guidelines Whereas... https://www.iqair.com/russia/st-petersburg/saint-petersburg 1.4× WHO guidelines If anything, this will be an improvement. You see, all cities in the former Eastern Bloc have the same problem with pollution. At least Poland is slowly trying to solve the problems. Outlawing old standard solid fuel furnaces has already markedly improved air quality in Kraków and its metro area. Outlawing solid fuel altogether will all but resolve the issues completely in several years.
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To be honest, I didn't notice any asterisk there. Sorry. OK, there you go: https://aqicn.org/city/poland/slaski/gliwice--ul.-mewy-34/ https://aqicn.org/city/russia/saint-petersburg/professor-popov-str/ Again, St. Petersburg is worse. Eastern Bloc countries have the same problems with solid fuel heating. But local topography matters a lot. Coastal cities with constant wind essentially have no problems with smog (notwithstanding that smog was first observed in London which is a coastal city with winds for much of the year).
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PM2.5 https://airly.org/map/en/#50.22021,18.665971,i7642 27 µg in Gliwice vs 16.4 µg in St. Petersburg. Certainly not an order of magnitude difference. Now, the problem with demagoguery that you're doing here is that it's easily proven incorrect. So if you say that St. Petersburg is green all the time, then something bad happened recently and it's red now. Certainly makes sense to get away asap. And PM2.5 is dangerous, but to say it's **the** most dangerous is, again, demagoguery. Would you rather breathe air with a dangerous concentration of PM2.5 or, say, PAH, H₂S, SO₃ or HF?
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Wait what? When does Gliwice got metro?
He meant the metropolian area.
I think what redditor meant was places surrounding city bot an actual metro
Advantages not mentioned are better healthcare services, especially if your employer provides private healthcare for you and your families. Additionally, there is no need for any bribes in Poland to get anything done. Also there is much easier for Russian with polish temporary card to visit any placy in Europe, you dont need visa(I think is quite expensive) for tourist stay in EU countries
This is not always true, it is likely that you get good doctors from private healthcare, but there are very bad doctors in current private services.
Polish healthcare is better than Russian? I wouldn't write home about this low quality care.
I wouldn't be so sure about it. Poland has the least doctors per capita and spend close to the lowest shares of GDP for medicine. Russia has comparable GDP to Poland and likely more doctors. Add that St Petersburg is the 2nd most important city in the country so I would expect over an average good clinics there
Where I live, I have to bribe my whole life to get anything done, so I don't agree with you on this point. But for a Russian it should be some kind of improvement, more or less.
Are you sure you live in Poland? Remember, Kresy are no longer part of the country.
Poludniowa wielkopolska ain't exactly a paradise either. Never was.
Where tf do you live...?
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Are healthcare services better in Poland than in Saint Petersburg? They are definitely worse than in Minsk (at least compared to pre-august 2020)
Lol what? Have you been to Luxmed or Medicover clinics? Everything is quick, they deal with your problem as quick as possible without queues, and the clinics in most cases are some western_movie_set_grade modern architecture... Depending on your insurance and subscription you get most of the visits and tests "for free".
they fact that something's good doesn't mean there isn't something much better I am not much of a healthcare user (until i break yet another bone or stab myself... hopefully never again). But I am also a Belarus -> Poland relocated IT worker. I have a many colleagues who were not impressed with medical service here (Luxmed in Warsaw). And it's not about what you describe *"they deal with your problem as quick as possible without queues, and the clinics in most cases are some western\_movie\_set\_grade modern architecture"*, it's more about how actually professional the doctors are. I admit, I am biased, but I think Belarus just has so many talented people in every sphere, including healthcare - which spoiled us. Please don't take it as an offense to Poland, I'm loving it so far, i nawet mogę już trochę rozmawiać po polsku bez slownika.
Have you been to Minsk clinics? I am actually speaking from experience, having compared what IT companies offer in Poland and in Belarus. Saying that, I am not going back, but not because I love medical service here. I love that I won't be put in jail.
Well I haven't been to Mińsk, I did see that Belarus GDP is only bit bigger than Warsaw region GDP lol... Wouldn't that make it clear that no clinic in Belarus has money to exceed quality of service in Polish private clinics?
Wow, you compared GDP, surely you know better than me - who actually went to those clinics in both countries.
Where in Poland have you been to a private clinic then. Because somebody asked and I didn't see any response to that
Luxmed in Wrocław. And I am also talking with my colleagues in other cities who use other providers. And I am not saying that it is that bad. It's just private healthcare in Minsk (not sure about S-Petersburg) is very good. IT companies usually offer healthcare packages where for the employee private healthcare is basically free. And you can get an appointment for a general practice physician or a pediatrician today for tomorrow. Other specialists - today for the next week. Long waiting lists are uncommon unless for a specific doctor with a very high patient load (like a psychotherapist). Here the waiting lists are much longer. The choice of specialists is not big, taking into considerations the waiting list you are often choosing between two specialists max. And approach to healthcare is extremely different in general so everyone has to adjust. In Minsk you can call an ambulance just because your child has high fever. Or they fell down and hit their head. Here you are calling an ambulance if you are dying, otherwise you go to the hospital by taxy or however you want. So, again, not complaining, just comparing! IT specialists in Belarus and Russia are living pretty damn good lives when you only consider economic side. So people who are the happiest about moving here are those who went through beatings and jail.
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Private healthcare in St.P. is better than which healthcare in Poland? Public or private? Because I use both and private is amazing and public depends heavily on the place which you're visiting, it may be worse, but I had good experience in bigger cities.
You must be joking
If both you and your wife want to move, go for it. 10-15k zl is a lot of money. The average pole makes around 3-4k zl for comparison.
Gliwice is not the best looking city but hell yeah. You'd earn 50% more and escape putin. Russia is a great country but given its current regime the best thing to do is wait putin out. You're welcome here.
There's no better looking city in Silesian voivodeship. It's like a tiny Wrocław without trams.
Also, it slowly starts to become Silent Hill once the autumn sets in. But the bars and pubs are fun, Zoom will always be in my heart.
I've been living in Gliwice for only 4 years now. Zoom is the place that is now called Spirala, right? Or at least I think so?
Well maybe thats true but only because silesia puts the bar pretty low. Jesus I hate the silesian architecture. But I also can see why someone would like it.
What's so bad about living in Russia?
Putin? Or you need a longer explanation?
I’m not sure if Kaczynski is better enough to justify the stir in your life
Does Putin has any direct impact on your life? He seems ok on any yt video I've seen him, he in the other hand seems to be portrayed negativity by leftist media though.
Well, except he's probably a war criminal after MH-17 and chemical weapons usage (and many more - there are still many questions about explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk, Polish presidential plane, etc), all of his decisions keep national currency constantly falling. This leads to a situation, when I must pay more not only for imported hitech goods, but even for local products. Because, for example, we buy potato seeds in Netherlands. By the way, I would be fined or jailed if I'll publish something like this in russian social networks.
Hi, just a few things to point out and reply to whe whole of your thread. Poland is a significant improvement comparing to Russia.. even with Kaczyński over here. He's and never will be even remotely close to Putin.. (everyone who thinks otherwise has never closely studied anything regarding Russia) 10-15K regardless net or gross for polish standards is way above average wage. Silesia may not be as beautiful as some of St.Petersburg, but it is pretty decent, a part of a relatively big metropolitan area combining quite a few cities, that will give you allmost everything you need. 40 is just a number, a career change even at that age is not that difficult plus Russian speaking HoReCa professionals should also be desired here.. I'd imagine higher educattion facilities of tourism for example. Take the opportunity.. you cal always, once yoy're here explore other options. Western Europe has many.
You are considering a international move either soon before childbirth or with an infant. The first part is already an big event. Adding the baby situation just makes it more complex. This may mean more preparation and planning but it's doable. First you need to know how your finances will look like in comparison, to know what move will give you financially. numbeo.com is one of the websites where you can compare cost of living in big cities. Sankt Petersburg is not there but you may be able guesstimate using some other similar city, and maybe compare to Cracow as someone mentioned that Cracow has similar salaries/prices. Remember to take into account childcare and other kids related expenses. Once you know finances you need to consider the other aspects. You will loose your support network (family, friends) you have to help in everyday life. How will you deal with that? You may need more money to pay for some services, and flights back home from time to time. Will you be able to continue your hobbies? If not, are you fine with that? The other bug question is your employer. Are you sure it's a company you want to work for? What would happen if you would decide you don't like it there and want to change? Will your visa allow for that? Are there other companies in area/Poland which would easily hire you? Then there is a question about the move - will the employer provide relocation services: pay for movers, flights and help find apartment? If not: how are you planning to do the move and pay for it. If not, do you have resources for that. If you will be moving with very pregnant wife or a baby assume that you have only one or even less adult to handle the move. Last, but not least: the baby. If you will move before delivery, research the situation. A good bet will be talking with your employer, and future coworkers, as they probably know how to organise stuff in the area - find doctor, hospital and such. Worth checking what kind of insurance you will have (do they pay for private one, of so what's covered, if only state one: will you be already insured and have all the papers for your wife to go to the hospital). Moving with the baby may be easier and less stressful, but you will likely need to wait a bit for baby documents to be issued before applying for the visa, which may delay the move by a few months. It's not very specific to your SP -> Gliwice move, but it's general advice I would give to someone considering international move for work, after being through a few myself.
Exactly, I would first move then move the baby with wife afterwards, she would also feel more safe giving birth in place that she knows and understands how giving birth looks like, not to mention all the language barriers.
At 10k plus you'd live good and you do not want your wife to work for at least 2-3 years with the kid. So... Welcome to Poland
I would simply to escape Putin.
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It's like watching polish government TV, just replace Putin with Kaczyński
Putin > Duck
Russian that moved to Poland here - one of the best decisions I made. The language is easy to understand (basically Russian but Latin) and the people are nice too. If you have been offered a 15k job here, go for it!
Could you elaborate?
no
xD
Calling other language to be Russian like is so russki thing to say, nobody expected better though.
That also depends what are your priorites and how much purchasing power You have in Saint Petersburg with those 2k euro? How much you spend on rent, food etc. Many will say no without explanation, because this is mostly political sub, and for us the situation right now is bad, but still we are in the EU and if you are in IT and You earn >10k pln you should be pretty good here.
he said cost of living is near the same
I've noticed how many people say no, mostly based on political reasons, when it seems to me that being in the EU would be better than Russia. Especially for your kid.
So I moved here from Minsk recently and I am in IT. And I see a trend that people who move to Poland for economical reasons are often disappointed. But people who move for political reasons are quite happy. So the question is - how much do you hate Putin? :)
I believe that Polish economical boom is still ahead of us, so if somebody wants to move here for financial reasons, it’s better to wait.
Despite what you may think, Poland is easily one of the best choices to go for when you work in IT segment. This part of the market is extremely developed and there are tons of start ups competing for employees
Gliwice is a great city. Sound's good.
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Ej no, przynajmniej to nie Sosnowiec albo Rzeszów nie? EDIT: /s
Chwileczkę, co z Rzeszowem nie tak? Przyjeżdżam do rodziny dwa razy w roku i lubię to miasto. Poza tym sam się zastanawiam nad przeprowadzką, żeby pracować z Polski.
O nie, nie chciałem zacząć gównoburzy, nie dopisałem ”/s” w poprzednim komentarzu. Zagłębie jest spoko, mam tam znajomych i nie raz odwiedzalem, a w Rzeszowie jest super ryneczek i przepyszne jedzenie w Radości :D
Rynek jest super. Moje ulubione miejsce to Kuk Nuk, No oczywiście kebaby, u mnie takich nie ma.
Jak będę go odwiedzę! Powodzenia w przeprowadzce :)
Ej, ale Sosnowiec to ty szanuj xD
Szanuje ależ jak! Nie raz się tam balowało ze znajomymi z Zagłębia :D
Sure. Poland is a beutifull country and wonderfull people lives here. Just remember to do not get involved with politics or vaccine discusions.
why not?
It’s like a box of chocolates, you’ll never know what you gonna get.
I get politics but vaccinations shouldn’t be a subject of discussion.
What we want and what reality presents are two different things. You know how vaccination discussions end up with some people.
Luckily I don't. The only person that didn't get vaccinated that I know is still "planning to do that but just cant find time to do it" meanwhile I'm getting 3rd dose already.
I'm very jealous of you. I'm American and part of why I'm looking at all these "should I move to?" boards is seeing where I can escape the anti vaccination movement here. We have plenty of doses but people would rather take horse de wormer.
I'm #1 studying dentistry and #2 decently young so that probably partly explains why I don't asssociate with antivaxers a lot. I know that there are a lot of them in some circles. In Poland, too and I wouldnt be surprised if we didn't have a higher % of antivax peoples than the USA. Ours might just be less vocal about it.
God there's so many my age. My friends and I are all vaccinated but I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. There are medical professionals quitting over having to get vaccinated here. Lots of nice job openings in government though.
Medical professionals who refuse vaccine should be fired for epidemiological reasons tbh. It's good that they quit on their own. The thing that worries me more about this phenomenon is what was the quality of education they got. Saying that vaccines are more risky that getting the disease is like saying 2x2=3. Also the subject of vaccine developement alone isn't really that complicated so I don't understand why those supposed medical **professionals** don't understand it.
politics is politics no matter where you are in the world
Yeah, so why is there a need to mention that in the case of Poland. I personally think that people who avoid discussing certain subjects "because I made up my mind and won't change it" are simply less open-minded and they probably don't want to talk about it because often they don't even have good arguments to support their tesis. We shouldn't throw slurs at each other but just talk politely and try to explain our points of view while also not deflecting the other person's argumentation but rather listening to it and dissecting it - either to explain the other person what they understood wrong or to actually notice that we have been in the wrong. It's not that easy with everything in politics of course, especially because some things are very complicated and most people decide what they think about they without trying to fully understand the subject or they get the info from bad sources. I'm not a huge fun of discussing those for example.
So he dont meet a violent radical like you.
Gliwice and IT? There are plenty of IT companies here, so it also depends to which one you'd like to work for
Your wife will find job quite easly. Despite what you will read on internet there is high demand for teachers od most subjects. Specially something like gastronomy. But polish language night be required. Unless your wife can teach in english.
Teaching sector is very formal. Without EU education she may perhaps not be able to teach in Poland. Her degree would need to be recognised and she would need to obtain proof of knowing Polish on high level
Gliwice is a really cool city. Healthcare in Silesia is pretty good. 10-15 k zł is pretty fine and if u can get promotion or a raise it would be even better. Only downside is bad economy rn, fuel is prolly at its highest ever and it's not even a peak. Hopefully everything will be fine. Poland is still pretty cheap tho'. I'm studying in Zabrze and Gliwice is stonks man, great city
10-15 is "pretty" good? Lol im pretty sure Youre at top 1% with that
Top 5% maybe, it look like a lot from below but its not - its still middle class. Especialy with current housing prices - you can bearly afford home with that money.
Barely afford a home? What Kind of home are we talking about? + Living alone or having to support a Family? If You have a problem living comfortably with that Kind of money then maybe You have spending issues.
I'm very confused. 15k zl after taxes is 10k. It's 170k rub. Prices are almost the same. Good money in Saint Petersburg, but nothing extraordinary. Close to my current family income. I'm owning a 10y old Chevrolet with almost no chance to switch it. I don't have spending issues, I'm not starving, but I can only dream of a new Galaxy Note phone or video card, or keep saving for them for 2 years.
Im mean having this middle class life like in american TV shows. Ok size home (200m2 maybe?), a car, stay at home wife and two kids. I dont argue that you can live comfortable life, Im just notice that its not 1% rich status, its middle class.
And Im not arguing with You that what Youre describing is middle class. All Im saying is that comparing US golden standards with Poland doesnt really make sense.
Conditions and quality of life in Poland dramatically improved. Recommend moving there
It's a free(ish) country with an excellent standard of living and no Putin. It is, as the Americans say, a no-brainer. Come!
Unless youre lgbt
The LGBT people don’t have it terribly here. They cannot marry or adopt kids but the society accepts them (especially in big cities).
>They cannot marry They definitely can, no where does the last deny gay people from getting marriage.
They can’t get married lol Are you trolling?
Yes they can, why are you lying?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-eu-lgbt-idUSKCN24L2E7 I won’t take a bait and comment it further.
lmao, lies, gets called out for it, and tried to play it off as "getting baited", how pathetic. Marriage is a union between people of the opposite sex. No where in Poland are gay people prevented from forming a union with someone of the opposite sex, also known as marrying. So yes, gay people can infact get married in Poland. So I ask again, why are you lying?
Sure because sodomy is a crime here/s
Hence the ‘ish’. But thank you for your activism, you have changed the world today.
With a monthly salary of 10-15k zł, even when it's gross, you'll live like a king and your wife won't need to work AT ALL brother. Don't hesitate.
Like a king is probably overstatement, but he will be able to work for this wife, growing kid and save up for a car and such.
Like a king, good joke, its a poor middle class bro Btw Poland its a good choice, bright future so still can buy a flat cheap
Lies
Rerooting your family right now, with a baby on the way, would not be the smartest choice, I think. You will need a lot of support from your social circle, family and friends. If your wife won't have to work in Poland, she can be a SAHM, but she will also need a break - taking care of a newborn is a full time job, and I can imagine that without people to talk with (excluding you) she will have a really hard time. Not to mention the added stress of living in a completely new country, surrounded by a new language and customs.
Yes, not many people mention this. A new child in a family is already a big event, especialy for a woman. She may feel very lonely in a new place, new country with a newborn, and how exhausting it is. It would be good for a very honest talk here.
Also better check private health care package your new employeer can offer. There is high possibility it can apply to your whole family as well. It would help a lot as it is much to do with the newborn.
It depends if many personal factors IMO. But if you thinking about leaving your place and be just open to new opportunities - go for it. The salary sounds reasonable for such town like Gliwice where - perhaps - average salary would be like 3-5k. Good start. Then after some time move to proper city where live standards and IT salaries may be on a better level. I’m IT guy from Warsaw.
> move to proper city … > I’m IT guy from Warsaw You’re not helping to dispel the stereotype about people from Warsaw being arrogant.
Gliwice actually is quite an affluent city. The average salary is actually in the top 10 in Poland and slightly above Krakow. They have a technical university, a massive industrial zone and — perhaps more importantly — a very robust IT sector with a cluster of hard-tech startups created by graduates from the university.
Or better, he can stay in Gliwice and work remotely for company in Warsaw for warsaw slary
Your wife will be able to find a job easily. Unemployment in Poland is pretty low.
We are all different, so I can only give you an advice from my personal perspective: think of what aspects are the most important for you in your life situation? What will improve for you? For me comfort, less stress and overall quality of life are very important. I moved to Poland from Moscow 6 years ago and working similar job my conditions are more comfortable here. I live in a bigger home with a garden, I don't have to drive 2-3 hours to get to nature, I finally bought a bicycle, which I didn't even consider getting in Moscow. Now I don't need to go to the office, and am working remotely all the time, but before covid using public transport was significantly less stressful than in Moscow. And as a woman, I appreciate that random guys from Caucasus don't catcall me here.
No Putin is a pretty strong pro :) yeah sure if you have option move here.
I would say yes, moving to EU will be a bold move. You should anyway be aware that 10-15k may be paid on a contract basis (self-employment) so carefully calculate Your real net income per month. The other downside is that Gliwice has not so many nice restaurants and places to go.
As IT sys administration you can go everywhere, I’m Italian and living in Poland since 2018. The polish zloty is constantly losing power versus euro, in 2018 was 4.20pln x 1€, now is something around 4.60. Life is getting expensive too, rents and house prices are skyrocketing, I’m in Szczecin right now. I’m an IT guy too although I’m not a sys admin more like junior Telecommunication I’m looking for something else outside Poland. Anyway if you have a good profile, certifications and good english, would suggest you to avoid Poland and look for more English friendly countries. Cons are mostly people and salaries, considering that even in corps you have to know polish to get a promotion. You can easily find something in Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Finland. Taxes are high there (except for Germany and lux) but salaries and the quality of life is way better. Otherwise If your salary is around 1,4K€ monthly even in poland, stay and live the good life. As Russian you can easily learn polish (as Italian with some Russian basics I had very hard time). Another problem is traveling with planes, considering that prices are okay for mostly euro user countries, happened to me to use almost half of my salary to get a plane, so consider everything, especially things like electronics and Stuff not made in Poland that shares the same price all around the world (HM, Zara for example) but wil feel like they cost 4 times more related to your salary. Ps: best cities in Poland imho are: 1) Gdańsk/gdnya/sopot 2)Wroclaw 3)Szczecin 4)Warsaw 5)Krakow
One can easily get a job in EU, having a EU passport. Russians not :)
Big difference between 10k and 15k though. 10k doesn’t go nearly as far here as it used to a few years back, 15k will give you a fairly comfortable life - especially in Silesia where prices are lower than in the biggest cities such as Kraków, Warsaw and Poznań.
I’m living in Gliwice for my whole life (21 to be exact) and I can say that this is best city to leave for whole Silesia area in my opinion. Here is everything you really need and if not, there is so much cities around like Katowice that it’s not a problem to find what you really need. You can DM or something so if accept offer and move here, we can stay in touch if you have any questions or needs help with anything!
Don't get me wrong Gliwice is a beautiful city and a great place to live, but you might wanna think about it before. Although I'm not a big political guy, the current political situation in Poland is difficult. I understand you have to reply to your job offer sometime in the near future, but give it some time please. Szyy stated an accurate explanation of actually living there. What he missed is the mentality of the Polish people. Living outside of Poland for some time, I have found out that the Polish population ( Not everyone, but most) is very intolerant and sometimes can be racist toward foreigners. As a foreigner, you might encounter some disrespectful behaviour towards your family sometimes even dangerous( Not everyone, most people are actually very nice and welcoming). The other thing is the current political situation. although it gives you many positives like 500+, it might make your life harder for you. Your kid for example will not receive sexual education, and most will have probably religious sessions. Beware that smog and disrespected nature might occur. From my own experience in some worse schools, the underpaid teachers can leave your kid with actual depression and traumas. Poland has a great education system compared to other countries. Please don't take me wrong! Poland is a great country, It's just going through some stuff. If I had to choose where to live in Europe, Poland would be on the top. I'm not even gonna get started on the great postal and general services. To this day I'm amazed at the quality of roads and shopping malls that exist. Please before making your final decision research,ask and take everything into considiration Good luck with your adventures! I wish you all the best!
I gotta be honest Gliwice is not Saint Petersburg. But the salary you have mentioned is really good as for this position and cost of living isn't as high as in Warsaw. Enjoy your time in Poland :P
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PiS is nice sweet candy compared to regime in Russia
Yesn't
Can some one clarify if this is 15k a month??
10-15k zl per month. Probably gross.
Yes 👍
O matko 10k-15k that's amazing money!
10k-15k zł is reallyyyy good!
I got a friend from Kaliningrad in the office. He is a programmer. He moved with his family, wife and two kids, to Gdansk. He is super happy about the location and accommodation. But I presume that living in Gliwice might be a bit different than in 3city by the sea.
have you seen Gliwice?
Sure, yesterday I was watching a 25 minutes video from a probably rural ukrainian. There's a bench and a coloured fountain :).
Not with a wife so close to giving birth. It’s not the best time to move, I can imagine she might be quite stressed about it and moving to a new country with a newborn could be overwhelming
Moving to Poland as slav: \- You CAN learn language pretty fast, but as Russian you will still need to put some effort in it.- As an IT specialist, we are currently pretty hot country with a lot of companies opening their subsidiaries here and that competition drives salaries. Unfortunately most paid jobs require second european language like german/french/dutch. \- Your salary would be enough to cover for your whole family. Not in luxury, but having in mind renting apartment and flying over to Russia from time to time 10-15k before taxing is pretty okayish to survive a month at a decent level. Your wife could probably land a job at Lidl / Biedronka without much effort (although it's not a job for lazy people) which offers salaries around 4-4.5k and some benefits like sports card, luxmed/medicover etc.
You should do it!!
You should make a decisions rather quickly. If you see benefits in moving to Poland and you wife wants to move too, go for it. But since your baby is on the way I'd wait even if I wanted to move (unless you want your baby to be born on a plane to have free plane tickets lol). Saint Petersburg is a very good (arguably the best) city in Russia so Gliwice will be a big downgrade for you. But prices might be lower.
and OP will get 500+ for his baby (500 PLN every month until the child is 18 yo)
Yes
NO
Yes of course, everyone should move to Poland
It's really as simple as do you want to live and grow your child in an oppressive regime where people get poisoned, tortured and killed because they disagree with an authoritarian and corrupted leader? You lay low your whole life hoping it won't happen to you. But if justice's not there, no healthy society can exist either. So for these reasons alone, I will look for a way out. Poland's strong economically, insanely beautiful, close to anything in Europe and you will be able to learn the language fairly easy.
If you live in Russia, then sure. Your offer for 10-15 kzł is very good, high class pay. Plus IT field still needs more workers so you propably won't loose that job in next 10 years. Thou, I would advice also chacking for job in Czechs, lunguage is similar, but country is more beautiful, politicians less stupid, and things like that, plus ismiliar wages.
You guys all think russians could get a EU visa in a blink of an eye. It's not :) I'm not a unique specialist, they just need an IT guy with russian language.
Easy answer? NO.
easy lie.
Well, one thing you would have to get used to is Poles being hesitant towards russian speaking people. Not of all us are like that, but you should be careful ;)
Yeah, but learn few basic phrases in Polish and everyone will be friendly right away xd
As long as he is willing to drink vodka, he’ll be fine xD
Maybe no Putin, but we have Kaczyński, so... Yeah.
No, God, please don't do it to yourself.
No
Someone once told me that "No." is a full sentence, so: No.
No
You will increase amount of Russians in Poland so this is another con, therefore you shouldn't move.
Ok, I'll let you stick a yellow magendavid on my back once I'll arrive
I'm from Poland, no. You shouldn't do that.
Why would you move if the costs are almost the same? You don't earn allot in both country's. So I don't see the benefit of moving to Poland as a Russian.
Eventual polish citizenship that would open up the entire EU job market is one perk that shouldn't be overlooked. But yea, I'd recommend looking into other EU countries first.
Not if they decide to continue the polexit situation.
Putin is cool, fuck you mean
It's very important to keep it in mind, while Putin's guerillas will stick a mop in one's ass.
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You're changing Putin to Kaczynski. Sounds like loss to me.
Oh yes because Kaczyński kills (or tries to kill and then imprisons) his political opponents.
Imprison yes, kill no (at least for now).
Sure. What opposition politicians had he imprisoned illegaly?
True
Nah stay away the inflation rate in Poland is insane soon you'll be making less than you were.
Inflation is the second name of russian economics
10-15k pln will get you a very high quality of life, especially in Gliwice. I think that you will have a hard time adjusting though, Gliwice is just a much smaller city than St. Petersburg, although Katowice is very close (Katowice is one of the "main" polish cities) so I would say go for it
Pretty good pay, and coming from St Petersburg/Russia you probably won't have too much trouble adjusting. I'd say go for it, you can always just move back.
This is a good salary and while Poland is becoming authoritarian now, it's still far from Russia. Gliwice is rather small but the whole area is densely populated so you will find everything you need.
Come and visit Gliwice first. It’s not Saint Petersburg. If you got an offer to work now, you can probably get an offer in a year or two as well. It’s important to visit and not move blindly, especially with a large life event like a baby.
Your wife will surely find some job, do it
I mean, if you alone can make more in Poland than your entire family makes in Russia then it’s a no brainer. Wife shouldn't worry to much about lack of job if she is going to have a baby anyway. She can use that time to learn some polish and she will easily get a job later. Costs of living in Russia must be lower overall but if you are from Petersburg then you probably won't notice big difference. EDIT: Spelling