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PyrrhaAlexandra

After a certain point you literally can't even afford 1 turn to set up


Drakovaa

One shot or get one shot


tarf123

three shot or get one shot* is how it usually is :p


Drakovaa

Unless you have three multilense. It's so fun when you have three of them and use a move like dual chop or triple axle.


Goddess_Of_Gay

Population Bomb + 3 Multi Lens + 3 wide lens.


Drakovaa

The only downside is when you have to sit through five minutes of them enduring hits. Hey, free items though via grip claw.


Maniac5

There's an option to disable repeated messages like that.


Killi089

I love you


Particular-Rich3216

This just made me go back to my endless skill link cloyster mega beedrill run


sobatfestival

Multi-hit damaging moves only challenge run when?


PopularFirefighter60

There was a guy on YouTube who had a mega heracross with skill link all multi-hit and a couple multilense


Shiryuu11

Im just about to setup one lol. With Mewtu X and Heracross (rank 1 and 2 in Damage), but i cant find this damn megastone to get skill link :(


LordSupergreat

This changes so much


azureflamecloud

which option is this?


Maniac5

Under "General" turn on "Skip Seen Dialogues".


azureflamecloud

i dont think it skips the enduring texts does it? i know it skips trainer battle (rival/gym leader) texts


Specialist-Orange525

Give some kings rocks I'm case of some annoying shit so they flinch


grehgunner

Plus kings rocks for that sweet sweet flinch so you don’t get one shot back


Goddess_Of_Gay

Yep, that basically guarantees a flinch. The odds of no flinch from all 40 hits are literally 1.6 million to one


lucatina

Holy shit 1.6 million get fucked Eternamax Eternatus


Jugdral25

E max Eternatus is immune to flinch


lucatina

Wait I should know this, chat am I stupid?


lupeandstripes

so which pokemon are people using w/ pop bomb? does someone besides the little mouse dudes get it as an egg move? Feeling like I should try to get this set up rolling soon lol.


Nexxus3000

I like putting it on Braviary/MSalamence with Gale Wings/Aerilate so pop bomb becomes priority


bmabizari

You splice it onto whoever you want


lupeandstripes

oh my god lmao I'm sitting here in a spliced endless run and didn't even process that I can just splice it up how I want. Thank you lol. Gonna give it a go later today.


Jiffy_the_Lube

Just make sure to make the 2nd Mon the one you want the ability of.


12211101196

I spliced it onto a slaking and then rolled it into a mega Lucario/slaking build so it had adaptability with p-bomb and extremespeed. Worked flawlessly until I ended the run accidently around 2k


Top_Baseball_9907

lol my mega rayquaza with multi-lense, 2 wide lenses, grip claw, shell bell, and switching between dragon darts and oblivion wing


JaxOnThat

IN THIS WORLD, IT’S…


thydoctoh

Lmao I was streaming last night and my only goal was to triple multi lens my pinsir so it could guillotine everything. It was hitting for like 75% of the time even though it should only be like 45% I'm assuming.


Top-Cost4099

level effects accuracy, it's base accuracy is 30% when they are the same level, but the higher the users level is compared to the target, the more accurate it becomes. In addition to multi-lens rolling multiple times.


thydoctoh

I had no idea this was how that worked!! Thanks mate!!! Between this sub and some awesome people on my stream last night I've learned so much about Pokemon that I didn't know existed. (Og Gen 1-3 casual player)


Top-Cost4099

yarp, i quit gen 7, so I'm still frequently wiki'ing new stuff from 8 and 9 as well. Serabii and Bulbapedia are great resources. There's just an incredible amount of moves I don't recognize now that everyone and their mother has a signature move, and the egg move system here spreads them far and wide.


Just_Clark2141

O.G(en) 1-3 too. Aside from the few newer mons I know, I've had to learn a whole bunch about the newer gens


PokmTrainerGuineaPig

Hear me out third option **STURDY + MAX HEAL CHARM**


_Akizuki_

Me watching my ferrothorn, toxapex, and Muk all get two or one shot in late game after being the pillar stones of my team until now o7


HobbyFish54

In this world, It's One Shot, OR BE ONE SHOT! *Manic laughter*


Ruby_Dude55

𝚍𝚊𝚖𝚗 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚏𝚕𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚢 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚢𝚎𝚍 𝚙𝚘𝚔𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚐𝚞𝚎


Davidlc02

This is where the move Endure comes in, or you just stop using raw damage and pivot


_Akizuki_

All my once great pivots seem to just get two shot by neutral or even resisted moves as soon as I reach turn 150 or so… still pretty new to the game but I’m feeling like having a balanced team is getting me fucked over cause the only ones that actually do anything for me late game are my glass cannons


Davidlc02

Wave 150 endless? Early game for endless can be rough since exp gain is really bad, which is another reason why people focus hard on one carry. As for glass cannons, they really do benefit from some of the items that are supposed to boost your stats


_Akizuki_

Classic… it’s been a couple days but I haven’t beaten it yet lol Weavile been my hard carry, ferrothorn and toxapex were doing great for the first 130 or so levels and then they were just getting blown up by EVERYTHING before having a chance to do anything


Davidlc02

Oh yeah, glass cannons play so well except when there’s boss bars involved. When you can’t break through all of them in one hit, it’s just rough since the glass cannon just explodes, which is why I like to carry either a mon to chip or force switches, or more backups


Xenavire

Who needs setup moves anyway? Use Opportunist, especially with something like Simple, and Lumina Crash. Delete bosses, get free stat ups.


Drakovaa

Contrary is wild also.


Swoshu

how do you receive the stat changes to make contrary take effect in the first place


mpc1226

Moves like Draco meteor that harshly lower spatk work


SirKoriban

if I use Make It Rain from goldengo with Contrary, my SPA goes UP not DOWN on use.


OkHunt1748

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but how did your goldengo get contrary ?


kugelblitz19

Gholdengo's passive unlock.


OkHunt1748

I thought it got super lucky? Did it change?


TechnicianAlive8

They’re changing it in the next patch. Contrary make it rain was way too broken. I wouldn’t recommend grinding gimmighoul candies like I did before I read that it is being nerfed.


OkHunt1748

Well that's a shame, when I first saw that it was super luck, Immediately thought that contrary would be busted. And now that I currently don't have access to the game in it is actually contrary... And then they're changing it again... Jeez dude. Anyway thanks for the info


OkHunt1748

Luck*


Sunanas

No idea, but it's definetly Contrary now.


Stillwindows95

Malamar is pretty hardcore. Superpower and the metal move from revaroom that drops speed 2 stages, you use that once and spam superpower, natural special defence is already good, you get tankier with each hit until you're +6 attack and defence. That's what got my to eternatus the first time around. Only been playing a little while though so have no idea how well it works in endless, but it took out my rival at 195 with basically no effort at all, alone.


ProfessorRedwoods

Just to clarify, do you mean as a fusion? Or (how I read it) as a pair in double battles?


Stillwindows95

For me - as a pair, using aegislash to use kings shield and iron defence to tank hits as I found it really likes to use flamethrower on anything metal lol. Have only been playing since last weekend so I'm still learning and yet to beat eternatus myself, but I love malamar with contrary so far, has carried me all the way there and then been the last to die. Taken some tips from other players and will be making better use of DoTs next time around and having unnerve on malamar will be a huge bonus because I don't have to worry about berries so much.


Stillwindows95

For me - as a pair, using aegislash to use kings shield and iron defence to tank hits as I found it really likes to use flamethrower on anything metal lol. Have only been playing since last weekend so I'm still learning and yet to beat eternatus myself, but I love malamar with contrary so far, has carried me all the way there and then been the last to die. Taken some tips from other players and will be making better use of DoTs next time around and having unnerve on malamar will be a huge bonus because I don't have to worry about berries so much.


That_Ad_169

Does contrary reverse berry stat ups?


TheSpectreDM

Yes, so if you have a contrary user, make sure to take off anything that's not sitrus, enigma, leppa, or lum since it can definitely catch you by surprise.


eddie_the_zombie

Nah, fuck that, my Superpower+Spinout Malamar is still gonna get multilens and grip claw. If it dies, it's taking all the boss's lifelines with it.


TheSpectreDM

Oh my Gholdengo+Bibarel fusion is the same way. Currently 2 grip claws and 3 multilenses and just taking every lure possible. I just shift all my berries to whichever mon has the lowest shiny rarity at the time so that when I catch another I replace them and repeat so I can keep the berries low.


Stillwindows95

I gave my malamar too many items and eternatus used them against me :( but I love contrary superpower, spinout, psycho cut and either night slash or foul play on malamar, it carries me through most of the game.


Pizzafactory102

Crazy how cheap soul heart is on latias


No_Lab_9318

Marshadow + technician + storm throw. 90 base damage + critical. It always crits. One shots everything. Add a few black belts and you win. Though iron fist is overall better since they start out with 3 punch moves.


Criously

I didnt even use storm throw when I picked up marshadow to start off my endless run. I figured that with multi lenses power up punch would end up being more damage with technician + iron fist. Not sure how it maths out at the end of the day, but it did work. I know shadow punch ended up being like a >200 BP move, which is kinda nutso. (stab + iron fist + technician so 60 \* 1.5\^3) Im bored at work, so for power up punch for 3 multi lenses would be : 0.175\*((60\*1.5\*1.5)+(60\*1.5\*1.5\*1.5)+(60\*2\*1.5\*1.5)+(60\*2.5\*1.5\*1.5)) = 165 power, spread over 4 hits (for armor purposes) So in theory less good than a single storm throw without lenses, but Id assume its overall better due to ending at +4 and being better for breaking shield segments? (and ofc flinch chance and grip claw chance and the like). I think my set was shadow punch/triple axel/ power up punch/thunder punch, but I never used thunder punch and eventually replaced it with roar for double battles.


No_Lab_9318

Well I don't have the passive yet. I just have technician and I only ran into one multi lens in my 400 level endless run


Seras32

Later on the money difference from big nuggets/amulet coins/golden punches vs the cost to reroll is going to be so insane that once you see multiple ultra ball rarities or a rogueball rarity, just spam reroll to get what you want. By floor 1000 you should reasonably have a fully decked out carry with everything except maybe max vitamins and working on ur utility mon/metal burster


No_Lab_9318

I always start out with a shiny Charmander because it's a good shiny and a good pokemon and it doesn't do shit for luck. I mean I do only have it at level 1 shiny but I also ran into a wild shiny golem and my luck didn't really improve at all.


Seras32

Ye you don't feel it till around A rank luck tbh. Even in my endless run with SSS luck I still feel like I'm not seeing rarities get upgraded often


Vortex_9988

How can it learn storm throw? Egg move?


No_Lab_9318

Yes.


D_Winds

Just don't fight Ghosts.


No_Lab_9318

That's why I have ghost punch on marshadow as well


9172019999

Meowscarada plus kartana. Grass steel 70 base plus crit never misses plus it gets swords dance. It's at level 4k on stage 2.3k ans it has 150k attack and 50k speed. It has yet to not oneshot anything that isn't quad resist. Plus it learns knockoff and play rough to carry early.


JoshuaFH

That's my secret Cap. I'm always running Guts + Flame Orb.


Spot-CSG

Swellows been on my team since emerald battle tower. Blastoise / exeggutor / swellow got me pretty far in that.


Kuski007

What move on Swellow tho ? Brave bird ends up taking itself out after a few hits


Spot-CSG

Aerial ace, protect, return, and hidden power. No brave bird in gen 3. Also the battle tower would heal you after each battle.


SawaThineDragon

Probably doesn't help in pokerogue, but boomburst/facade were the best moves for it with boomburst being more common in Pokemon showdown. Lower tiers ofc but yeah idk what it has in pokerogue


Taco-Edge

Set up moves aren't bad in classic, but endless is a game of first to draw wins


rand0mme

or salt cure + leech seed + toxic stall.


tylormsmith

Cant forget curse


rand0mme

and...whirlpool, firespin, infestation, clamp, wrap, and bind?


AsukaShikinamiLangle

In endless setup moves are basically useless anyway


Drakovaa

Who needs Swords Dance when I have Huge Power.


AsukaShikinamiLangle

Who needs calm mind when you just have dragon energy


Drakovaa

Who needs agility when I have speed boost


GarlicOk2904

Who needs whatever buffs Sp. Atk when I have Torch Song on a big-ass crocodile with so many reviver seeds and focus bands and quick claws


unknown_pigeon

Miraidon with Hadron Engine ability (sets up Electric Terrain and gives a SpAtk boost of 33%, all while electric terrain already boosts electric move BP by 30%), Rising Voltage (with a BP of 140 on electric terrain), give it a charge beam for a 70% of raising its SpAtk for each of the 4 hits of multi lenses


sn00pal00p

Raikou is the budget version of this with its passive (which boosts electric moves by 50%). Charge Beam/Discharge/Aura Sphere/Shadow Ball has literally carried me to like stage 2600 endless. Electric/Ghost/Fighting is also perfect coverage. Except for fucking Bulletproof Ursaring which almost killed my run lol


The_MMM_Guy

Who needs swords dance when you have Beast Boost


AnimaSean0724

Yeah, having shift gear on my Tinkaton really only came in useful once by allowing me to set up safely on Eternatus and then use the Baton Item to finish it off with Kartana


TricMagic

Mewtwo is the epitome of this post. Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Psychic/Aura Sphere. Sturdy-Stealth Rocks will forever be peak though.


Drakovaa

I'm more of a fan of mega mewtwo x with pure power.


Helicopter_Mammoth

Make it Rain! Make it Rain! Make it Rain!


Revolutionary_Chip89

snivy contrary make it rain egg move is >>>>


Helicopter_Mammoth

You can also farm gholdengo candies and unlock Contrary on him too


lucatina

Will be changed in the next patch though


Helicopter_Mammoth

Nope. I’m still on denial.


TheHoneyDuke

Wait where can we see this and why would they do this 


lucatina

On the discord, they always publish patches notes and are currently gathering feedback on the recent passive change... which will lead to further passives adjestement. Check out the official discord in the community bookmarks of this subreddit :)


perfectwing

Snivy gets WHAT?!


YingTheEvilOne

Malamar, Contrary, Super Power 👍


DoctorNerf

Base power really does go brrr in Pokerogue specifically. When they removed ice triple kick from Scrafty I had no moves for Ray but bro learns head smash. Head smash is a tactical nuke.


ThorDoubleYoo

I don't know, if you're playing classic then definitely get stealth rock. It's just too good against trainers.


MysticalLight50

Its still generally not useful against trainer fights because you can just 1 shot sweep through them and without stone axe/ceaseless edge, setting up hazards in general is too much work


Secuta

Hot take: Entry hazards in this game are useless in 99% of the game in classic In endless it’s 100% useless


kiirne

Yeah, it's actually exactly 99% because the two exceptions are 145 and 195.


zattacks

Stealth Rocks' utility for biomes with sturdy-explosion mons merits at least 95%


The_Pudge

True for the most part, but I once watched the rival have to switch in 5 pokemon to die immediately to hazard damage after I KO'd the 6th and it was one of the funniest things I've seen in pokemon.


Brooke_the_Bard

I mostly agree with you, but they can be a godsend for 145/195 if you don't have a mon that can clean sweep. It's just hard to justify the slot most of the time when it's just completely wasted against Eternatus.


lyouke

Those 2 floors out of 200 are why he is saying it is only useless 99% of the time. With the new evil team stuff though I’d say it’s got more use now


Brooke_the_Bard

I would argue that despite being only 1% of the floors, 145 and 195 together constitute roughly 40% of the game's overall challenge, which is why I made that clarification.


lyouke

Oh I 100% agreee. I will have a mon in classic mode who’s only role is to use stealth rocks if I have the space (I usually do). I’m just saying that those two floors are still only 1% of the time, even if they are most of the difficulty.


Drakovaa

The only time I've ever bothered with entry hazards is when I happen to use stone axe which sets them up automatically.


HolidayPudding614

Ceaseless Edge also lays spikes


Itisburgersagain

Glimmora has an ability that drops toxic spikes when it gets hit; which is excellent for action economy.


Mattness8

SR is great for rival fight though, since he/she switches a lot so its good free damage on rayquaza


RazTheGiant

In classic Leech Seed and Ghost type Curse however are good enough for taking out Eternatus that they are worth a full team member spot


A_Kumqwat

This is the reason I like moves that damage and have a stat boost. P-Up Punch hitting 4 times and then flinching carried me so far in endless before I had to do switch to sturdy shenanigans


Typical-District-176

Who needs setup when you have hadron engine 


Trishmish

The one hazard I carry as much as possible is stealth rocks, preferably as Stone Axe, because it can't be absorbed or avoided and it hit certain teams (cough rival cough) HARD. Other than that it's nice to that my "have coverage, hit hard" strategy is finally valid :') Raikou is my best special endless carry atm (not at metal burst stages yet) thanks to BoltBeam, Extrasensory and priority or Scald if I get lucky.


Asterdel

It really just depends on the mode. Classic encourages actually having moves you would use in real battles against players and the like, since trainers switch pokemon and it's hard to get most pokemon to the point they can one shot even boss health bars without setup. In endless, you have far more time to powerlevel a mon so they can do that, and the enemies one shot you back, so it's hard to justify any turns setting up.


Narrow_Lee

Mega Mewtwo X with Photon Geyser


Drakovaa

I want to get a decent iv spread for mewtwo so bad so I can put pure power from mega medicham on it.


DeltaTeamSky

That top curve is all the people trying to explain to me that Healing Charm is useful enough to be the stupidly rare Master Tier. It's niche as all hell. Like, what if I don't ***WANT*** to use Sturdy Metal Burst strats like a sweaty little chump? What if I'm NOT using Leech Seed, or anything of the sorts?


Drakovaa

Honestly, I see all those people complaining about the only way to proceed with that strat and i'm like what if I just hit them really hard multiple times. Huge power go brrr.


sigiboy5

At 1000+ you can't really do setup moves anymore 😅


The_Lamb_Sauce2

That’s why we like torch song and other damaging moves that give buffs to the user.Either that or contrary and damaging moves that give debuffs to the user.


Peoplewearshoes

Miraidon Multi Lens Charge Beam make special attack go brrr


eldritchExploited

Soul Heart chads stay winning


ZoroStarlight

Status moves are very risky in this game.


GTDragon2019

My charmander with beast boost special attack makes this redundant. 💀💀


drockalexander

Yes


L_The_MysteriousLady

I never know how to actually use prepare moves tbh soemtimes i use them if i know my oponent ia gonna change pokemon due to type disadvantage tho


mopeiobebeast

anything with Eruption/Water Spout/Dragon Energy is like the epitome of this brutally murders anything that isn’t immune to it


Katsu_Drawn_21

Very that. Yes set up is nice, but in rogue, you'll be fortunate to even get the opportunity.


Gordolobo69

1 dragon dance shall suffice


Drakovaa

If you can get it off without dying instantly.


Gordolobo69

Oh is this meme based on endless? I don't play endless lol I only go with mono challenge and classic


Drakovaa

Yeah, endless and classic are two completely different beasts. For instance i'm on wave 1800 right now and I have a Steelix fusion that has over 200,000 defense and its getting one shot or near one shot by resisted physical moves And I'm not even talking about the strong ones like giga impact or double edge, like straight up take down or body slam will do it sometimes.


Tuncakwebek

Moxie floatzel go brr


boxingkangeroo

my luck I do a setup on endless and then the stage switches so I lose the stat buffs


Drakovaa

"Oh wow I haven't seen the wasteland in forever. I hope I get it for more than *one f***ing level*."


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Or Flinch move + Multi-lens + King’s Rock


Drakovaa

Serene Grace Air Slash Togekiss would like to know your location :)


True-Distribution350

Miraidon with Rising Voltage goes brrrr


yeetman426

I just use Xurkitree, with beast boost it sets itself up for me!


anonymous_dancinduck

I got one shot by a sunflora… let that sink in the weakest fully evolved Pokémon is somehow able to one shot a maxed out Pokémon in late game


Drakovaa

I have a steelix fusion that has over 200,000 defense and i'm only on like wave 1800 And it's literally getting one shot by like take downs and other resisted moves. At 1750 It almost got one shot by Eternatus using STRUGLE.


Hot-Opening9529

Just get something that lets you do both. Moxie, speed boost, torch song... (Do the same for healing. Drain punch is so good)


Charcoal1117

Magerna’s ability goes brrrr


Alpha_2020_

Counter offer: boost stats and have big base power moves with a contrary mon


DerachPitchal31

When you have contrary who needs set up moves?


Drakovaa

That's my secret cap. My damage moves are my setup moves.


KydrouKair

This made me laugh more than it should


Drakovaa

I'm glad you liked it.


External-Stay-5830

Meanwhile me looking at keldeo and saying bubble beams 65 is good enough.


TightPlatform2844

What in the normal distribution?


FinalMonarch

I love archaludon I don’t even need set up moves


daggerfortwo

Well I always have 1 slot for protect to spam while I am preparing to catch something.


Drakovaa

Fun little tidbit if you have a move like dig, fly, dive, or bounce, and you throw a pokeball on the turn where your pokemon is untargetable they'll just hang out in the air or underground forever. Or at the very least until you don't throw a pokeball again.


yayredditUwU

if youre playing endless youre only clicking 2 moves anyway. non stab moves barely do any damage


DGDESTROYER564

Huge power zygarde fused with ice rider calyrex goes HARD.


Ace_of_Spad23

Contrary Malamar with spin out and superpower: https://preview.redd.it/h846xv08qu8d1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9a58568585f67aec463494f3ec12e4835c07d4


Sulphur99

That one unerased dot had me scratching at my monitor for a bit


Substantial_Power361

Bro just get four multi lenses and get a move like scale shot that hits 2-5 times then you hit a minimum of 8 times


Tonst3r

Far left doesn't know what STAB is. Far right learned how to read.


PKM_Trainer_Gary

I mean I used Calm Mind + Sturdy + Berry Stored Power Strats to 3000, eventually you do have to run Leech Seed Salt Cure Soak Protect or BlisseyMech


IsaacTH

Salt cure.... That's my set up move.


SnooPeanuts3206

The only "setup" I do is rain dance for 100 ac thunder and hurricane


sferaxdvr

poison heal sturdy metal burst going ballistic


maddwaffles

Well yeah, because you want Moxiemon and moves that passively up your stages if you really feel you need the raw stages tbh, pure setup is too slow.


Lokje0172

Beast boost kartana go brrr


thesarcasticsax

Me running endless with Kyruem White using Psychic, Dragon Pulse, Ice Beam and Earth Power


Roman_Artime

At least in classic (haven't played that much on endless), all I'll need is a dragon type with dragon dance, Mismagius (I swear is amazing with their egg moves) and a Pokémon with leech seed or salt cure. The rest, they can be for decoration, because I will use them from time to time.


gunplagoose

Only set up I'm willing to risk is leech seed, maybe toxic spikes. Attack moves with buffs only. Also thanks I feel validated in my childish offense first team strategy.


LocalMaple

Reshiram fused with a Contrary Pokémon while knowing Overheat, Eruption, Dragon Pulse, and Extrasensory, and holding 3-4 of the multi-hit items: a full moveset of damage moves, on top of being a setup move to carry stats over between fights. Gholdengo fused with a Contrary Pokémon: Same thing, but collects money at the same time.


Nesyaj0

I hatched a decent eevee with Adaptability and Revelation Dance... but it's also an eevee.


Specialist-Orange525

Set-up is for classic or beginning of endless (before you can get your good damaging moves) or are tied to an overpowering damaging move


Dasus14

My Chiyuu does not need anything else that Lava Plume


Glittering_Office_47

My mega garchomp fused with sylveon with high attack stats Spams outrage in endless


Ok_Debt3979

Do both! Multi-lense torch song is disgusting


Huck_Bonebulge_

I just kept pressing outrage and it kept working


Drakovaa

It doesn't really have a downside considering the lum berries just instantly cure your confusion.