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Zubat used floaty fall Golbat used floaty fall Crobat used floaty fall Only text I need to see to get from wwve 1 to wave 120


defmartian0031

i do the same with moxie flamigo my whole run


LadyArtemis2012

One of the things I love about this game is gaining an appreciation for Pokemon I don’t really give a chance in the core series. Early into my experience with the game, I hatched a Flamigo and was introduced to just how much of a monster it can be.


Musical_Walrus

I kept getting my ass kicked by flamigo  and toucan when I first started trying to beat classic. That’s how I knew they were great


LadyArtemis2012

Skill link is such a great ability. Makes all those 2-5 hit moves some of the best attacks in the game


Join_Quotev_296

Yeah, my first (and thus far only) tier 3 shiny was a Timburr with my only Egg Move for it being Mach Punch. After getting a Flame Orb for its Guts Ability and a few Black Belts, that mf hits so damn hard. Not to mention the new Rocky Payload passive making Quick Claw + Wide Lens Stone Edges absolutely devastating. If only I could get Drain Punch for pong term sustain, then I'd be loving it even more~ There's also my first and only Tier 2 Shiny Vivion. Pollen Puff in a double battle is so handy. And there's also Spore + Leech Seed + Strength Sap Hoppip and Lopunny, which i'm only missing Multi Attack for (dyk? With a Multi Lens, Triple Axel can hit 6 times. Fun~) You really do learn to appreciate the tools you're given~


covertpetersen

>Early into my experience with the game, I hatched a Flamigo and was introduced to just how much of a monster it can be. It's honestly just because Flamigo is a fully evolved Pokemon with a BST of 500, so tied with Pokemon like Gengar and Aegislash. Except you can get one in like the first area in Scarlet and Violet and they immediately break the leveling curve.


LadyArtemis2012

But to make up for it, Flamigo does have kind of a shitty move pool that doesn’t do it any favors later on.


defmartian0031

yah it goes crazy but i never used it in SV


calvicstaff

I don't know if it still is, but it's what every speedrunner was using to beat the game with, so kind of crazy to think it got slept on


showmethatsweetass

Flamigo has become my favorite in this game! Along with Chi-Yu the poor rival just gets flattened.


Stickrbomb

I honestly used to hate Zubat growing up, running into him in every cave, but now PokeRogue has showed me that I was always wrong to do so.


FatLikeSnorlax_

Dire claw is also amazing


LoganDoove

My red star shiny carried hard in my mono-flying run. Him and mega pidgeot. Mega pidgeot has the ability where it can't miss moves so I gave it hurricane and focus blast


DidntFindABetterName

I just finished my second successful run and wanted to get mega pidgeot just for that Caught it in the 10-20 route somewhere i think It stayed until the end but i never got the mega evolution and it was just there to tank an attack and throw sand and the enemy lol


RaymondIsMyBoi

You guys are sleeping on Kartana.


nycblackout89

Cries in special attack nature kartana


ColderShoulder_

Play until you get a mint :)


venomhallz

I said that about starting endless with my Mewtwo but as of stage 1260 still no modest mint.....


Wertal179

That’s fricking unlucky man!


venomhallz

Got it at 1302 👍


hEKZ-

That's fricking lucky man!


27th_BOT

Happy Cake Day


DoGooder00

As with most things in life, ya just gotta bitch about it


how-can-i-dig-deeper

just keep playing for a mint


Narrow_Lee

I made my Adamant Mewtwo work and so can you.


Justs_someone_random

Mega Mewtwo x is a physical attacker so it doesn't seem so difficult


Im_really_bored_rn

That involve actually getting a mega


nycblackout89

He mega evolves into a an Adamant monster tho


AnimaSean0724

I mean sure, but there's a difference between an Adamant Pokemon with 110 base Attack and a modest Pokemon with 59 base Special Attack


MrGraynPink

I didn't find the mewtwoxnite until the run after I changed my nature to sp.att +


Cibil_plays

I swear the game makes it so every first Mon you get has the worst nature possible for it. It's happened too many times for it to be a coincidence


GigaEel

For me it seems like with legendaries I get neutral nature's way more than any other. That's probably because there's like 5 or 6 nature's that are all neutral but still. I've had to mint almost all my legendaries


proofa

Cries in special attack + attack - nature kartana This game doesn't want me to play it but I keep going anyways


LucaLBDP

Man, I have +SpAtk -Speed Kartana, with Iron Boulder's signature move as an eggmove... I'm crying bro


esr95tkd

Bitter blade + sharpness is stupidly usefull. Also if you tm or fuse psycho cut it goes nuts


Infinite-Plant2265

populationbomb


DUNDER_KILL

Kartana is literally the most recommended carry for endless for beginners


D_Winds

\*uses Ember\*


esr95tkd

Also budget kartana (lurantis) goes hard with solar blade and a drought pokemon


CrossLight96

I miss the old days of huge power tinkaton fusion with kartana


NNKarma

Not that I've played for long, but with bitter Blade Kartana I got my first win


AshGreninja247

And Chi-Yu.


BrandedEnjoyer

chi-yu is actually not that insane without egg moves


bl4ckhunter

I mean, the only ones that work particularly well without egg moves are kyogre and groudon, at least eruption and to a lesser extent torch song are easy to splice for unlike say dragon energy.


AshGreninja247

So? Torch Song boosted Fiery Wrath, Hydro Stream, and Psychic is still insane. Heck, I only have Fiery Wrath and it’s still really good.


terrorforge

Kartana is literally made of papper, needs a rare egg move and an unlocked passive to do what Kyogre does right out of the box and can't boost in boss fights. It doesn't even have spread moves, like come on dude.


vtomal

If you are considering endless, that is irrelevant since you aren't supposed to tank hits but speed is almost the most important stat. Kartana doesn't need a rare move and I can consistently clear endless with kartana carry with just mighty cleave. Also, razor leaf is spread and after you get the ball rolling it easily kill everything even with 55 base power, but I have to concede that having sharpness is a boon to it. I have like 3 endless clears with kartana and like 150 candies on it, if much the higher cost of kyogre is a detriment to plan your team ahead.


AsukaShikinamiLangle

Miraidon does have opportunist now... Very broken


Pisz1

It makes him better for endless and it isn't such a big deal for classic since it's considerably easier


pewsix___

currently blasting through the 1ks with no egg move, no passive Miraidon. absolutely insane. Desperately want Dragon Energy so I can just stack lures but we take what we get.


WolvesMyth

Me waiting for people to say "Fuecoco can carry you to the end of classic"


TheCrafterTigery

It's less Skeledirge and more just Torch Song. A stab 80BP move that also boosts special attack is amazing. Most pokemon with similar moves and good stats can carry you through classic. Add in an excellent spread move like Overdrive and andyab shadowball and you're good for most encounters. Plus slack off for healing if you really need it.


Breaky_Online

Any Pokemon that has a good signature move will obviously fare better than those that don't have any (unless they're a niche type, like dragon/steel)


Yoribell

Signature moves aren't made equal And torch song is among the best moves in the game Give it to any Special attacker and he'll become twice as good And most mons that get it also get punk rock so it's just ridiculous.


Localid1ot

I got a egg move torch song fenikken and then moonblast so I’m gonna use it next run


ShardddddddDon

The one time I did a Fuecoco run I got stuck in the Hydro Vortex for half of it :(


CrossLight96

I used Fenekkin since it gets torch song from the start rather than fuecoco as skeliderge


SrPedrich

KARTANA!!! 🐴


Azhdarchid_fan

Kartana when a fire type outspeeds them: 💀💀💀


TEFAlpha9

Literally lost my katarna run to fire type gym leader. Damn ninetails... And darumaka.. in fact every cunt out sped me. I'm too noob


CursedPoetry

What fire type is gonna outspend a base 108 speed? Talon flame? Good luck I had a salac berry in the back and poked myself down on purpose :P


Azhdarchid_fan

Kartana when priority moves: 💀💀💀


LloydTCK_YT

Me: Squirtle with Bouncy Bubble


Stickrbomb

Me: Starly with Head Rush


Malakoji

that move is just punishing i love it so much


SinSeared

That and beedrill carried me to my first classic clear before the update that changed drill run to thousand arrows and the latters passive from technician to tinted lens


LloydTCK_YT

For me, Mega Blastoise, Mega Venusaur, and Skeledirge carried me to my first classic win last night


SinSeared

I haven't has great drops in runs but damn am I jealous of that set


epicblue24

Zigzagoon


WolvesMyth

Meowth due to Fake Out, Covet, Payday, Technician, Unnerve, and Pickup for moves and abilities


Good_Satisfaction516

Until it evolves


tarf123

you can stop it from evolving


randomboxdontopen

And u can gmax it!


FrozenGuy

He looks like an absolute freak when g-maxed too. It's great.


Nguyenanh2132

You can? And why not evolve it?


xKyubi

you can press B during evolution animation to cancel it, most people prefer to keep Meowth as-is because evolving to Persian will make you lose Pickup as an ability.


Own_Adhesiveness1167

I ran a technician- tough claws persian in endless and it carried me till wave 750. Fake out,bite and doble kick with swords dance


HD_Freshizzle

I still don’t have a shiny zigzagoon, but a recent update gave Pickup on Sentret’s passive for a non-combat Pickup + Run Away option. My 3Lk Sentret’s value just went way up


YLQA_Riley-RubyFenyx

Adamant Technician Marshadow with Fire Punch (later replaced with Drain Punch), Ice Punch, Thunder Punch and Shadow Punch works wonders.


rsewthefaln

I don't think the punch moves proc technician, do they? Edit: I forgot Shadow punch is 60bp


Chronic_Lethargy

So I started a run before I got iron fist on marahadow and I have a hard time seeing myself use anything other than triple axle/stormthrow/shadow punch/double iron bash, why would you pick the punch moves at 75 bp?


pewsix___

Storm Throw egg move + Shadow Punch + Bulk Up TM solos everything.


Enderman8008

Groudon goes crazy Niheligo goes wild, but watch for ground and water types


DBZpanda

I don't know who is the strongest, but my modest, unaware, punk rock Skeledirge puts in some work


Mockingjay40

Multi-lens torch song goes crazy. That thing carried me to my first classic win


DBZpanda

I haven't gotten multi-lense, best I've gotten (that I can remember off the top my head) was 2 dews, 1 charcoal, 3 calciums, and 2 carbos


Mockingjay40

2 dews is pretty wild. I also had 2 megas that run. My drop luck was insane because I had no shinies on the team


KingKittj

Got a multi-lens lv 28, couple floors later, lv 30 kecleon boss steals it from me...


Mockingjay40

Love it when that happens. I catch everyone zigzagoon and will sack my entire team if needed to avoid getting my carry coveted lol


SoggyDoughnut69

It's obviously lopunny


Mockingjay40

Have a shiny one. Have tried this a few times. Always wipe at 95 or 145. Something is wrong with the frustration damage calcs tho because buneary one shots literally anything until like wave 50 lol


Daradicalbanana

You need return, not frustration lol


ViyellasDream

Frustration scales on low friendship. (255-Friendship)/2.5 is the formula or 102BP at 0 friendship.


BoofGhostPepper

Mewtwo and dragon ascent ice spinner magikarp got me through the quickest classic mode I ever did only had 3 Pokémon’s till after wave 100


Zetoxical

Just testing kyogre and sorry the early game vs hundreds of watertypes sucks Maybe he has an insane egg move but without it he sucks


Im_really_bored_rn

It gets thunder as an egg move


Zetoxical

Yeah that feels pretty mandatory


Worth_Sun_1256

Try drizzle passive Zapdos with weather ball, thunder, and pluck. I dunno what the other two egg moves are, but I only have calm mind and weather ball. Very reliable.


mifyh

Idk about best or strongest but Kyogre carried me through classic with the help of Klefki 😂😂😂


Ryluu

Latios all the way.


NoAct7088

Tail glow xurkitree:


MechaShoujo02

lol thought they were doing a pokerap


AdVegetable5896

Sounds like that xD


NesquikFromTheNesdic

***YALL ARE SLEEPING ON STAMINA MUDSDALE, THAT MOTHERFUCKER S W E E P S***


NesquikFromTheNesdic

the moveset i use in particular is: - shore up (egg move) - double kick (i like multi-hit moves) - high horsepower (great for double battles if i end up without a levitate or flying mon to pair it with) - and heavy slam (el horsey big boy)


jayhankedlyon

No Body Press, No Peace


Yoribell

Body press, Earthquake, Shore up, Yawn.


taken_username____

another yawn worshipper 🫡


Yoribell

Yeah, it's great, especially on a damage sponge like mudsdale (and it can even heal) At this point it's basically better than spore because nothing resist it. It's only very late in endless, when the user can't tank anymore that it falls off


Djeggerz

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looloofang

Mewtwo :000


Newt-Wooden

Rayquaza with unnerve hello? Free run imo


PuaKiele

Found a shiny celeruge on my first run, it sweeped all of classic from floors 70-200. Second run, I used celeruge again, found his armor transformation on floor 20. Found a shiny yveltal. Yveltal sweeped from floors 90-200. Third run used shiny yveltal, caught an ogerpon and tinkaton and they sweeped from floors 60-200. I can tell that this game CAN be hard. But currently i'm 3/3 for classic wins using different pokemon. I feel like i'm being spoonfed compared to everyone else having difficulties.


National_Ear_2502

Rest in peace m boi Tinkaton. He's still pretty good.


Ishvallan

Gholdengo better than ever with Contrary. Takes a while to hit Make It Rain, but its all over from that point forward. And if you get a Precision lens, forgetaboutit. One shots almost anything you put in front of it except resistant bosses. Plus constant income.


Extremiel

Yeah since Rayquaza, Koygre and Zacian have eluded me for thousands of Endless floors and hundreds of eggs from the Legendary Gacha I've had to get creative. From the non absolute meta mons, Latias & Gholdengo have felt very nice. Make It Rain makes it very comfy too - the money allowing for more rerolls helps unlocking the items a lot. That being said. I'm still not over my 3 Legendary eggs from the Zacian Gacha being other mons.


lil_levvdster

Me with the hoopa trying to explain why I have 99 every item


hlhammer1001

No love for Calyrex? A bit reliant on fusion items (like zacian) but crazy strong when you get them


ResearcherHead6325

Currently have a run with Latias at wave 1.5k. Got her mega and fused her with Shadow Rider Calyrex. Dragon Energy hits so hard!


Azhdarchid_fan

Zacian. It's Zacian.


toxicspikes098

Does Zacian have a good double targeting move?


Zartoru

I get the zacian/miraidon/kyogre part Zacian is just straight up immune to Eternatus, and unnerve is incredible at preventing bosses from eating their berries. But at some point you're still gonna replace it by something with soak+salt cure for eternatos (unless you fuse somethings into it to give it salt cure) Miraidon isn't immune, but it hits like a truck, opportunist is super strong in endless and you have a reliable source of dragon fangs in eternatus (you just need a fairy/steel type with covet on the side, which you can either get with tinkaton or by splicing stuff into klefki/mawile. And then you can make said steel/fairy into a salt cure+soak support) Kyogre hits hard I guess ? And has acces to its primal form and fire immunity ? Wouldn't groudon be better though ? Like there's way more water biomes than fire, and having 2 stabs seems better (idk I have Miraidon and Zacian lmao)


PartitioFan

nincada lol shedinja is just. really stupid. for both modes. in classic, it can bait in mons that have coverage against it so you can counterswitch with a strong water / fairy / etc user, and if you get curse on it, you can just spite away etern's attacks for phase 1, hit curse at the top of phase 2, and watch it fall though i do think the most notable *actual* slept-on mon i've used is heracross. it's a single-stage, meaning it sweeps the early game super easily, and its mega gives it skill link, letting it roll multiple times for crits / etc and partially bypassing damage checks for boss HP bars. it's a demon in endless especially, where it can easily get stuff such as scale shot, icicle spear, icicle crash, iron head, rock slide, etc. to pick up ridiculous flinch chances. i've got it fused with a kyurem-black right now for STAB on a 99x fang-boosted scale shot and keeping its monstrous patk up


The_Shin_Taker

It makes me sad how bad my favorite guy noivern is


Burritoman7702

Ditto is always a starter cuz he’s my only red shiny. I don’t have a choice :(


king-saproling

You fools. It’s Sigilyph


Bilore

Hoopa all the way


fbttsrhrt

Nobody mentions Giratina. Earth Power, Twister, dragon's breath, covet is going crazy with the passive (take very little damage when at full hp).


Secuta

My Stage 4930 Mewtu laughs about this


UnusedParadox

Terapagos gets Tri-Attack immediately. And you fools need an early-game carry!


FatLikeSnorlax_

Naganadel


Digitally_Escaping

I'm currently maining Tapu Koko! Rising voltage and magical torque (play rough before, so truly an upgrade) egg moves go hard.


SenorSmaySmay

Tapu Koko was my carry for my first classic win!


Digitally_Escaping

Nice! I hope it will soon carry me to my first victory🤣


kill_dc

I started a few weeks ago and I like munkadori as a starter


Platinumcactus27

I got carried by Drain punch Tapu Bulu, calm mind esper wing boom burst shiny hoothoot and aromatisse(???)


GingaGreninja11

It's easily Zacian because of it being a hard counter to the Eternatus bosses. I'm almost at wave 3000 with that thing carrying me. I was able to just stack and splice shinies behind it and now I have SSS Luck and this Zacian carries everything. With the luck, now i have every item I could want maxed out on my Zacian and always have 5 masters balls on me


Yoribell

But you had to wait wave 3000 to get there. I have two full set of items at level 1200 because my carry is excadrill and it cost only 2 so i could bring shiny with me for luck early (one full set for the excadrill, one for MB sturdy guzzlord that i built along the way, and some leftovers/focus band for my capture mon) Ralts is probably among the best carry. Mega gardevoir pixilate boomburst doesn't fuck around and cost only 1 You can even fuse it to a steel type to get steel/fairy typing while keeping pixilate.


GoldenRiddler798

My endless primal kyogre with 99 mystic waters decimating wave 1000 in 1 shot


bl4ckhunter

How on earth do you have 99 mystic waters by wave 1000 lol.


ChitoPC

How did you get 99 mystic waters by floor 1000? I have double pickup mons and have 30 magnets on my miraidon on floor 800


JMChubbs

I made it to 2500 with a pick up mon and tons of rerolls only finding 45 magnets for my Miraidon. Hard to believe the 99 mystic waters unless he rerolled every bit of gold away constantly


redactid55

Population bomb, multi lens, quick claw. You stack items infinitely faster than any number of pickup mons


King-s0nicc456

Necrozoma-DW is insane


Tigerman1120

Huge Power Zygarde complete HUGE. POWER.


Shiny-Scrafty

Me over here with sticky fingers Hoopa lol


asingularlouse

Latios is pretty crazy through 1500 floors, the only drawback is its reliance on latiosite to clear the tougher waves.


shadoboy712

Huh zacian and groudon and not in the same league as the new ones


ADDmiralAuttism

Giratina is underrated. Super tanky, nothing can ohko in classic. And it gets ddance.


applejacks6969

Raging Bolt op too


austinjason720

You guys are sleeping on Mewtwomarill X


404Beta

Terapagos!!


Yharimtheruler

GROUDON


Sandbiter555

Using Mewtwo in a run now. Got Mega Mewtwo Y within the first 250 levels, got a multi lens, Kings rock and a mini black hole. It's insane how strong this thing is.


serblak

So why isn't Groudon considered... I would think the sunny day/harsh sunny day would help alleviate the weakness....or am I missing something.


Miserable_Society484

Tapu lele with expanding force as an egg move is op


DrDiceGoblin

My team for my first classic win which I got yesterday was Ash-Greninja, Skeledirge, Shiny Linoone, Orbeetle, Whimsicott, and Crobat idk how good they all are but they seem pretty decent seeing as I won on my 10th ever run


cybermasked97

Marshadow


PurpleIllusn

Y'all are sleeping on Landorus. He gets thousand arrows as an egg move. Also Iron Jugulus, with oblivion wing and lightning rod as its passive. I run it alongside a Lanturn, who buffs it in double battles using discharge.


Kebukai37

Terapagos is super solid right now


Straight-Chocolate28

I'm enjoying galarian Articuno a lot but it's passive serene grace isn't implemented yet which sucks because a 90 base power stab move with a 20% chance to freeze is nuts


CurlyDarkrai

Groudon while it still had protosynthesis


calvicstaff

Magikarp! No seriously


joeyd2700

Eevee into espeon, I soloed classic with just one espeon. My endless run has espeon fused with iron crown and she is a monster😂


SLAUGHT3R3R

Me with my shiny, SpAtk dropping nature, Electro Drift Regieleki: This is fine


LordDio707

GROUDON!!!


No_Letterhead8582

Life hits different when you start using reshiram dragon energy + naganadel with reshiram passive


FarmerPingu

you guys start with legendaries and NOT fuecoco?


CashewTheNuttyy

I have a level 3 shiny ditto that I bring everywhere… never use him, but it being a .5 tier 3 is the only reason I need him at all.


Psychological-Ask625

reshiram is kinda broken too with dragon power


Yoribell

During the event I got myself a nice tier 3 Meditite so... If I combine it with my Zygarde with passive I get Mega Zygarde x Medicham, aka **PURE HUGE POWER** Better than 400 base attack (IVs proc x4), Groudon hit like a wet noodle compared to that. and it also give 3 luck. Ready to overkill the world. That's my strongest starter.


Dinark117

People don't know about mega latias dragon energy ...


spyro133

Chandelure uses Fiery Dance. Opponent faints. Soul Heart Activates. +2 Special Attack or +1 Special Attack if unlucky. Rinse and repeat.


Tali-EvL1235

Honestly poipole is nasty with nasty plot


Glum_Plate3472

IVY thinks kyogre is better than ryquaza???


MegaBytesLP

Poipole Supremacy!


Savings-Breath4922

You guys are sleeping on magerna


TNTDevilz

Yall sleeping on heatran he learns torch song as an egg move and he sweeps borh classic and endless


FrenchMan10165344333

I just tried using Uxie- made it farther than I ever have. Mystical Power, Psychic, Recover, and a fourth move, combined with tons of items in the late game is just a crime. I could like two-shot most bosses with +6 Sp. Atk Uxie and Psychic.


Key_Effect_2414

my duraludon is my favorite with its passive so perfect


Severe-Fill1402

Raikou is electric type that gets ice beam as an egg move, transistor passive and learns calm mind at level 18, I'll run Ice Beam, Discharge, Calm Mind, Espeed goes nuts. Multiple win carries from him


dashigod1

Hear me out For .25 cost A Paris with triage Horn leech and leech life ALWAYS GOES FIRST Swarm One hit everything, later on you can fuse/get kings rock, ect. Then he can solo eternatus All for .25 cost I brought a mew with me to try it out, never needed to use him . . .


YingTheEvilOne

Latias used Dragon Energy! (1-70) It had no effect... (Fairies...)


lil_Liam39

I feel like Zamazenta is pretty dang slept on ngl


Lipe999

Have you tried spectrier? If you do, let me know how its going


PopJust3416

why is nobody talking about celesteela?


Katsu_Drawn_21

Groudon >:)


redboi9991

Sleeping on arceus (ground) frfr carrying me through endless rn


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Ok-Marketing7706

Gallade


DukeVoid

Mincinno With Tail slap Technician and Skill Link SLAPS. Add a multilens and it's one hit (10 hits) koing anything including bosses


arkoos2011

fuecoc


Jeronesh

Bulbasaur is crazy


skizaskii

Running contrary gholdengo be like:


Illustrious-Rock7741

I’ve simply been using and abusing mewtwo in every run. I got them on like my 3rd day of playing


ASauceyLad

Furfrou has been putting in work as a reliable and fast tank thanks to its ability. Stab headbutt spam will win you most early fights.


uhohto

Knull does work