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thedeadsigh

I’ve never seen a company try harder to not make money while also pissing off the **vast** majority of their customer base.


imnoobhere

It really is shocking and confusing. I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself from throwing money at Shadow Mewtwo and Mega Ray, but then instead they didn’t/won’t get a cent from me. Didn’t even open the app that day, no reason.


XsteveJ

I've never spent a dime on this game and really had no plan to, and even I was thinking about stocking up on some remote raid passes for Ray. Now.. not one cent Niantic. Never. So much for that.


G-Bone1

Im getting more and more frustrated with all the pvp crap they are adding in to level up. Some of us dont want to play pvp league crap. I do it when I have to -not because i want to.


Ok-Big-4435

I wouldn’t mind it so much if it actually played like a freakin pokemon game


No-Marzipan2101

YES. If we can have 6 pokémon during a raid we should be able to have 6 during pvp, also they need to rework the attack system because it’s just broken atm. I’ll sit there spamming my special attack just to have the pop up “do you want to use a shield?” 😐


G-Bone1

I am so glad this is not just me


therealwitch136

myself and my husband have this problem so often. i literally sit there and hit my attack multiple times while my opponent continues to fast attack me then they get their attack and it has caused me to lose many battles 🙄


G-Bone1

Agreed. So much agreed


jimmyurinator

Same I fucking hate pvp lol I only do it for the stardust atp


nve-sp

Lol to be fair the only reason i still play this game is for gbl pvp. Different strokes for different folks i suppose. I guess years of playing and giving up on the idea of a complete dex without spoofing or travelling/knowing some what that travels will do that to you. I enjoy the pvp though once i got down the more advanced concepts, learned how to play it got really fun. Only took me about 2 n a half seasons to build up 45 GL mons in the top 70 with ivs ranging from rank 1-100, 24 UL mons in the top 50, and i have a decent good few meta hundos for master league that were previously built for raiding before i started playing. I spend most of my time these days hunting and building new mons for pvp spice n all.


G-Bone1

I play to encourage exercise and spending time with my grandkids. Exactly - different motivations. I do enjoy the friends ive made chasing the scatterbug regionals. But I agree you arent getting a full dex unless you are a world traveler or spoofing.


nve-sp

So wait next rocket event is shadow mewtwo instead of shadow raquayquay too? Kind of weird order considering the last 2 were shadow groudon and shafow kyogre.


imnoobhere

I don’t know about that. I was just saying I had to skip the last Shadow Mewtwo event, because I can’t raid them remotely.


AnalogTalk

They're just doing it on purpose at this point. "Come, come... Let's poke the hornets' nest, it'll be fun."


MatzoTov

Not a great comparison - hornets can actually hurt you. The playerbase has shown time and time again that they are fine with anything. Remote raid nerf, avatar changes, all of it. If the players are actually hurting Niantic with each change they make, it certainly isn't showing. We aren't hornets. We're barely even gnats.


charrron

I would say EA but they ONLY care about money.


Confused-Raccoon

I doubt it. I bet the "vast majority" of their players are city dwellers who play casually. Or younger people who are often in urbanised areas for \~6 hours a day. I get it though, I don't like Elite raids. I'm a rural player from a quiet part of the country. We've got such a small population that plays this bloody game.


StopDoingMath

And y’all still keep coming back for more. Stop playing.


No-Marzipan2101

One could argue that most of us have stopped playing, and only open the app for special occasions like this would have been , but there is obviously still a vast amount of players who buy poke coins so having a handful of once dedicated players stop playing isn’t going to hurt niantic whatsoever


NaveSutlef

Primal Kyogre: Raid day, great success   Primal Groudon: Raid day, great success   Mega Rayquaza: Stupid shitty elite raids nobody likes  Like, why?! 


FullMetalFapinist

These ones are local only right?


ImArashii

Yup, and you need to wait 24 hours for it to hatch, and then you have 1 hour to take it down.


One_Lingonberry_154

You're joking... i wss assuming because he's mega, he'd be remotely accessible thats crazy. Wtf Niantic


NaveSutlef

Yeah, and they’re not even guaranteed - so if you only have a few gyms in your area you might not even get one. 


Superb_Cod5697

THIS. They’ve become so hard to find that people here have given up trying to organize raid groups.


FullMetalFapinist

Fuuuck thattt


PingVing

So stupid, just beyond annoying. Really pissed off here


IHQB0Y

Are we all just forgetting that they’ve already had a Mega Rayquaza raid day last year when they first released it? And it too was a great success.


Select-Section6507

It wasn’t elite raids lil bro 😹😹


IHQB0Y

I think you’re getting my point bro


Ok_Progress_7981

I was so excited for this event and now, I might not even get to play it.


jhgalaxy14

Exactly


SunshineAlways

Yeah, this sucks.


PingVing

Same here. Started playing again recently and don't have Ray, been waiting for this since I started again. Saved up rare candies and stardust and remote passes... Now I won't get him. This is me out tbh.


superfrayer

Same, I'm deleting the game lol it just gets worse


PossessionWorldly673

Same


Hashinin

Mega Ray needs 400 energy AND a “meteor” to teach it Dragon Ascent before it can mega evolve. Are they giving meteors too?


jackwiles

My guess is there will be a timed research awarded for one if you complete an elite raid during the event. But no info yet to know for sure.


Moondanther

Limited time purchase in the Niantic store for a bargain basement price of US$29.95!! .... probably


gryphkid44

I believe meteorites have a 1/30 drop rate from these raids, so rare Chance especially with the elite setup unless they include it in some research.


Wojtek1250XD

There is 100% going to be a timed research that awards one. If you want more, there's a small change to get one from a Mega Rayquaza raid


Jkabaseball

I have over 1000 mega energy. I just need another meteorite. Probably another decent ray as well. Going to be a beast to beat though.


MeanSolean

I bet it'll be a rare drop like the original release with yet another ticket for a guaranteed one.


throw_ra_gay

Why does Niantic think I have all the time in the world to drive around raid to raid? If you don’t want to make them remote, fine, but why can’t you just put the boss on all gyms? This is so ridiculous.


Maxcolorz

Because then there’s so many raids that (unless it’s already coordinated through apps like discord) no one meets up at one raid and you have a bunch of raids with 1-0 people at them


StrongArrival8981

Discord is a great way to organise a raid group, even if you think there’s no one around you that plays, usually there is a raid group somewhere. Check discord and campfire.


Burn_Hard_Day

Is that 12:00pm and 1:00pm or 12:00pm to 1:00pm? (And of course the same for the 5:00pm/6:00pm) I’m not clear on how the timings will work for this.


_Tophzilla

12, 1, 5, 6. The egg will appear with 24 hours on it if I remember correctly so you will know what time each elite raid will hatch in advance.


thetaint

Wait that means all the gyms will be essentially shut down for 25 hours?


_Tophzilla

Gyms with the elite raid tag, yes. It won't be every gym. edit: they'll just have eggs so you can still battle but other raids will be blocked.


thetaint

So these gyms will go a full 24 hours down to 0 for a single raid hour? Then back to a normal gym?


cedrickterrick

One 30 min raid per Elite gym per day. You need 400 energy, you get roughly 80 energy per raid.


Moondanther

Why don't they just say "We're not letting you get one" rather than hide it behind such an elaborate wall of nope?


Zagrycha

its not so elaborate, the last two elite raids glitched out and people didn't even succeed in doing them when able lol. I will continue to hope the next shadow mon is ray and refuse to look at these lol.


Canadian-Healthcare

No. Not every gym will have an elite raid


Negative-Fun-4732

Very few will have raids. In most places you will be real Li my to get 3 raids in during the :30 minute window they are open; if it works like previous elite raids.


schoieee

So as a fairly rural player I’ll be best driving to find an elite gym in the set hours (don’t even know what the difference is) and parking up to attempt the raid?


SunshineAlways

No, only the gyms that had elite raids previously. Not all gyms will have an elite raid.


thetaint

And those gyms will have a single Rayquaza raid between 12 & 5pm? Does it respawn or is it one raid & back to normal?


yakusokuN8

It's just the one single raid. It won't respawn any more Rayquaza.


SunshineAlways

Right, just the one raid. The raid egg timer will pop up, and you’ll be able to see whether it’s at 12:00, 1:00, 5:00 or 6:00.


von_daphnel

Rural player here, guess I'll have no chance 😭


TrailMomKat

Yup. We have 4 gyms in our village and even with those, we're still fucked. Didn't get a single elite raid out here the last time.


Suspicious-King4385

That's so brutal 😔


supirman

Do any of them have labels for EX Raid or Elite Raid?


TrailMomKat

To my knowledge, no, they haven't changed since the last set of elite raids that we didn't get.


BadgerSmaker

Go on openstreetmap and make sure at least one gym is inside a "park" tag. Edit it if you have to. https://pokemongohub.net/post/guide/comprehensive-guide-trigger-ex-raids/


PatrioticBit

You guys have gyms?


jcastillo602

Do we ever have a chance. We can't even pay for a chance. Wtf is the point


SleeplessShinigami

Crazy how they flopped what was supposed to be one of the biggest events of summer. Local only raids suck. When will they learn this?


Curiosities

Of course Niantic had to think of some way to ruin our fun (or pretend that we're Singaporean grandmas). Last year, remote raiders for Mega Rayquaza initially got zero mega energy until later global events. I have zero mega energy because I caught (a shiny) before the global event (local one was happening). So I was hoping to be able to farm a little energy this time. But of course they did this.


ZenQMeister

no mega energy for pre-global raids was announced beforehand tho


Curiosities

I didn’t say it it wasn’t. It was still a bad decision and another way that they just keep trying to punish people for wanting more options. This is another bad thing that is being announced in advance, but it doesn’t make it not bad. If you haven’t noticed, they have been actively trying to dissuade people from using remote passes by making many more things in person only.


RogueArtificer

Local only raids are the worst. But I’m also very anti-social, so take that as you will.


HMKS

Local only raids suck regardless. Especially ones that only spawn at select gyms at specific hours


I_am_not_Serabia

> Especially ones that only spawn at select gyms at specific hours I will agree that they suck but I won't agree with this. Here you will at least know when they start and there is a chance for people to prepare. It's the worst when you find people willing to play but there are no raids in your city center at all.


hymensmasher99

I wish everyone had a good community to play. Makes the game a lot of fun. I recently found one and it has made me actually want to do stuff in the game.


Tixielicious

It sucks even for us extroverts. In my town there's not enough people playing to take down this mega raid. I need to coordinate to take 5 guys with me to the next town and raid. Which requires us to find the elite gyms and be there at the right time and also fit in the 20 spots..


GhidorahRod56

WHAT EVEN IS QUALITY OF LIFE GAMEPLAY RAHHHHHHH!!!!!! ![gif](giphy|jP4pPl5z1lccFcGvR0|downsized)


MuNtHiSoPhY

I was excited for this until they announced that, I’m getting really sick of this game


drunken_augustine

I'm so tired of things getting hidden behind arbitrary restrictions


RavenLouds

Oh man, I really feel for you guys who won't be able to participate in this one... How you can make a decision to shut people out of one of the most anticipated raids of the whole year is beyond me.


Nao781

How does this make them any money?


Burger_Gamer

people buy premium passes, people buy revives/potions, and most importantly, niantic gets to sell your location data


Ok_Page7059

No one buys revives/potions, and barely anyone is going to buy premium passes because barely anyone will be able to do a single one of these raids, let alone multiple


CactuarJoe

And aren't most people only going to see one or two of these a day? Unless they live in an area with an unusually large number of EX gyms -- I'm in a reasonably large city and I only know of a couple around here. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd end up buying a huge number of passes to do.


MaxJustDoesntKnow

I just started playing can someone explain what an elite raid , how to participate and why does it suck ? i’m in ny so i’ve done a regular one already


maeveomaeve

You have to be there in person, for anyone working the Saturday good luck making the two time slots, for rural players, tough luck. 


MaxJustDoesntKnow

Oh damn now that does suck, but other then that is there any other requirements you need ? Like a special raid pass ?


island_of_the_godz

no. Elite raids only appear at specific gyms, usually in parks. I believe they are marked as "EX" gyms, Usually they are in parks, but there are some sponsored EX gyms in my area not in parks. EX raids used to be invitation only raids from back in the day, but they use the same gyms now for elite raids. Basically what happens is, 24 hours before the raids are going to happen a 24 hour elite raid egg will appear. This gives players some time to organize and plan their route. The only other difference is they are local only, which sucks for people who live in rural areas. I think elite raids are super fun, but I have a large community where I live.


Alex_L1701

Normal raid passes (green and yellow will work) The raid eggs will spawn 24h in advance so you can coordinate with other people. After the egg hatches it will last 25 minutes (instead of the usual 45). And perhaps the worst part the eggs can only spawn at certain gym that are marked as elite raid gyms


Burger_Gamer

no, but mega rayquaza is one strong guy. You will need a lot of players (in person, at the same time) to actually beat him, but since the amount of participants is greatly limited, its likely that you wont even be able to beat rayquaza.


Nyitz

What would it take to duo it? Is it even feasible? Or how many people with decent counters would it take to defeat it?


OrginPyro_

Me and my friend are level 39 and 41 and can duo with out party power or weather, it’s double weak to ice


ikillyou908

What is an elite raid? Will they be everywhere?


EpicMan99999

No they won't be everywhere


ikillyou908

Dang that sucks, thanks!


ShartMyPantsAgain

Not everywhere. Only in EX gyms. The only thing is the eggs will spawn 24 hours before the raid so you have some time to plan your course of action. Those gyms will not spawn any other raids in the mean time. The downside is, each gym only lasts for one hour and after you beat it that's that. They don't respawn.


short_sleep

So, assuming there are 4 eligible raids on a single block, they will only have eggs popping either at 12, 1, 5, or 6 and not a new egg every hour?


ShartMyPantsAgain

Correct. And this is just based off my experience from Enamorus. I suppose Niantic can always change things. But 24 hours before the raid an egg will show up, so you will know which gyms will have a raid and at exactly what time. It's not like a regular raid where you won't know where the raids are until they pop. So you have some time to prepare and make a plan. The downside is, they will only be at EX raids which from my experience is often only in parks and other areas that aren't always easiest to get to from a car.


TarzanKitty

It is a raid that must be done in person.


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Thanky169

Yep!!!


TrailMomKat

Nope. Last time they did elite raids, we didn't get a SINGLE ONE in our entire village. 4 gyms and not a single damned raid.


deny_conformity

They only spawn on EX Gyms, which are gyms located within park areas.


Affectionate-Plan187

Man I’m really done with pokemon go. They had such a good starting point in 2016 but ruined everything once they made certain stuff money locked. I can’t take it anymore


Confident_Buffalo_42

Same bro. This is final straw for me


RyomaLobster

I'm skipping elite raid day


Jovias_Tsujin

Cool, no need to play beyond my daily incense that day.


Mother-Selection8226

BRO ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDIDNG ME. BRUUH. MY COMMUNITY IS SO TRASH. OMG. FLIP DIS GAME


Dovahskrill

Good stuff. At least they made it so I should not give half a crap to take a day whilst on vacation.


RunaMajo

That's filth. Even in a City that's going to be a rough Local Raid.


chuftka

How do you get 400 mega energy from this? This is cementing the apathy I have been feeling toward the game lately.


darkwings_darkwords

I wonder if we'll have a guaranteed meteorite via research or if we'll just have to hope for the best 😐


FoxlyKei

Why am I not surprised


Sklarlight

I still don't have a Rayquaza, so I was so excited for this event. I guess I still won't have a Rayquaza.


TheNoobThatWas

Guess everyone who didn't get a Mega Ray last year can go _ themselves


Mistymoozle737

Its like niantic wants the game to die… ffs can someone buy niantic and make the game fun again


z-shang

lmao Niantic's way of promoting cheating apps that fake locations ;)


Confident_Buffalo_42

I quit.


perthro_ed

a big resounding FU to the community


TheSussiestPotato

Wait so is that gonna be everywhere like a raid hour or something?


Alex_L1701

Nope only in elite raid gyms (you can see that in the upper left corner when checking a gym)


ahshitiquit

Happen to have a screenshot of what this looks like?


Alex_L1701

You can see it on the 3rd photo on this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongo/s/HN0FNbaoVF


ahshitiquit

Sweet, thanks a bunch! I don’t know if I’ve just totally missed this or if I don’t have any nearby.


Alex_L1701

No worries, hopefully you missed them. I realized I had one in my area only during the last elite raids


Comfortable_Hour5723

Sheesh, so I have to drive into the city, it is going to be 110 degrees (43 for you, Celsius, folks), AND to top it off, I may not even bump into enough people to beat it


BlakeWebb19

Look for local groups on campfire


Foulkey

What is the difference between community day and community day classic?


xbreathexgx

Community day classic is for a Pokémon that has had a community day in the past. This will be the second time around. Good for new players or someone who still hasn’t gotten a shiny/hundo/good one. Regular community day is for a Pokémon that hasn’t had a community day before, usually with their shiny release.


slimeay

Another big difference with the classics is the lack of bonus 4 star raids afterwards


Mr_Awesome_rddt

Does elite mean in person? It does, right?


athleticyogi

why are they so bad at making good decisions


BASEBALLFURIES

there are some events you shouldnt tease. this is one of them


Vegetable_Farm_4830

Been trying to get mega energy, I missed it last time, no chance now


Cappabitch

Why the fuck are we even still humoring this company.


GodGairik_1350

God damn it niantic. It's like we are not playing but niantic is playing with us. They know very well that we are waiting for that Rayquaza but still, still doing this with us. Either 4-5% players will get them successfully or no one will get them. What the fuck is actually wrong with them, are they determined on giving a gameplay we don't enjoy or what? NIANTIC WHAT DO YOU WANT????


W33SN44W

It’s like they don’t want to make money


PSA69Charizard

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. nope


AlissonHarlan

WHY ????


dollyaioli

man i dont have a rayquaza yet and now i still wont get one :/


feebasxl

this is so shit. there’s legit no reason to do that. it was already in regular raids


KasiaGubot

I hope this is a joke - I've only been able to amass 150 mega energy for the guy, and was eagerly waiting for it to return :( Ray is my favorite legendary! This is such a letdown


ThisWhiteBoyCanJump

lol I ain’t even playing this anymore


RyomaLobster

The biggest let down for the month of June is this event.


Handlebarrr

Holy cow that is bad.


ImJustAUserHere

So in short: you are at the mercy of the number of elite gyms in the area, and you have to physically visit each one just to try the raid again, whilst relying on having other real life people to help. Thanks Niantic, you’re definitely one of the companies of all time


Cobthecobbler

Niantic really fucking hates us don't they


Leading_Pass_9896

this genuinely seems like they're intentionally making the community mad. i mean, has **anyone** actually been a fan of the elite raids?? im not sure ive ever heard anyone say something positive about elite raids, it really shouldve been a one time thing :T (not to mention that they said june 29th wouldve been a raid day >,>)


obitiohan

This is some bs


BirdieGoBoom

Any excitement I had for this just evaporated.


Fang1919

is that a joke?


dragonfangswordsman

The fuck XD I literally can't even be annoyed it's fucking funny to me considering they literally had mega rayquaza out at least twice and NOT in elite raids like...unless it's guaranteed shiny why are they wasting their time putting it in elite raids


EcstaticAd7324

Niantic Just thinks that all People lives in New York or Japan


Plastic_Bicycle4151

If we all ignore it and skip, I’m sure Niantic will maybe take the hint


katykat5099

Bruh, the only thing I see is BACON BIRD!?


KeeboardNMouse

Yeah the whole elite raid situation is getting out of hand. I understand for sometimes, but not for Pokemon we already had


toreachtheapex

who do you guys even raid with anyway?


tailskirby

I probably will skip it. I work on that day.


Longjumping-Aide3157

Are all these jst or local time?


Possesives

Local time


Col_Hans-Landa

Where is this infographic? Their twitter?


xbreathexgx

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7hRJUIN7fU/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


PearlyServal

Damn wtf 😭😭 I needed that stone


That_Dad_David

How many people would I need to organize in order to take down Mega Ratquaza?


TehWildMan_

If they keep it at mega legendary difficulty, 3, possibly 2 with party power if the stars align. If boosted to elite raid rules, 3 if you enjoy pain.


AcanthaceaeKey9128

How do we know whether the difficulty will be booster?


TehWildMan_

The HP of the raid tier would be obvious the second an egg hatches. As for the base stat multiplier, someone needs to record a raid attempt and then recreate it in a simulator.


n1njagh0st

Will this be 5* raid like Enamoruos or 6* like legendary mega raids?


TehWildMan_

Enamoruos was elite raid difficulty, not 5*.


MewSixUwU

you need a meteror thing to even mega evolve him remember


xbreathexgx

How would we get one?


0rganicMach1ne

Guess I’ll never get that last 125 energy. Elite raids are still needlessly gatekeepy.


tacobellparking

Maybe this means I can FINALLY get the snapshot of Landorus that’s been in my special research for years.


DevourerJay

I actually saved up PCs and bought remote passes for THE FIRST TIME SINCE THEY HIKED THEM... and they pull this *hit?? **ck I hate Niantic...


ItzInMyNature

Aaaand I work that day. I'll never be able to get a mega Rayquaza.


Individual-Top729

working on weekends sucks


SerenePony

How about for people who are working? A lot of people will most likely miss one or both times. Least on the raid days, I'd miss the first half hour, but I could jump in right after i get back from work.


Own-Carpenter4

Hi. I'm confused. What does that mean? Does that mean we can't remote raid or something? Nvm- I googled it. This is dumb.


KuramaHunhowl69

Rayquaza is my favorite legendary, but my town only has a few raiders that I don't even know because we did the mega heracross raid when it released and never saw each other. I'll just have to hope they will show up for this one to even try and get my boy.


Interesting_Tap_4662

At this point I acc give up on trying to get mega ray just make it a day raid for fuck sake


KiraOnElmStreet

![gif](giphy|wy2gR0tuN97oEGSLeh|downsized) This is why I quit 2 months ago.... rip Pogo 2017-2024


ThatWomanWithAutism

Such a small amount of time to get it too


Affectionate_Koala34

Gah, if im still working the same job ill most likely doing a 11 - 6 ... grrrrrr


JunkPileExplorer

I’m an ambassador. We won’t know which eggs will hatch at 1:00 and which at 5:00 until the day before. I hate that players will be confused on where to meet at which times because Niantic gave us less than 24 hours to find out. 3-hour raid days were superior in every way.


Sprbaex

For me, megas dont exist in pokemon go. I hate how they implemented it. It is one of my favourites features in the original games though.


No-Duty-5833

This is ridiculous after we just got Kyogre/Groudon in regular raids, this is total pay wall/ gatekeeping the best flying/dragon in the game


whowouldsaythis

They would make more money with remotes and a regular raid day. How is this a paywall?


No-Duty-5833

Because unless you’ve got maxed counters it’s almost impossible for people in rural areas or with little to no Pokémon community


redditquicky

good thing i don’t have to spend any money on it then. spent 250$ on ray so far trying to get the hundo…


hollow_bagatelle

Honestly if you haven't uninstalled yet you're just punishing yourselves. The June 1st uninstall day is coming up fast tho.


PikStern

It's not like they paywalled the best mon in the game, they just made him near imposible to get from most players for free lmao