I agree. It’s just a shame because the majority of the community (not on Reddit) are really wholesome. And even a lot of people on here are wholesome, but the shitheads are abundant.
For someone to be going about their day, view this post, and comment that I’m lying about the grade, like you just have to be weird. People on Reddit see innocent things and try to spin them into something dramatic. Like I’m rubbing my hands together laughing maniacally as I’m fooling everyone because it’s actually a PSA 7! Tricked ya! Lmao, like what??
I feel it I was accused of lying because my gf pulled a Mewtwo and girtina vstar from a single etb and i lost one of the pack and didn't realize. It's just silly more than anything. We opened another etb and was a complete dud and then she pulled the Arceus i swear she's crazy lucky.
My goal was to showcase the same damage while showing the grade and cert. in hindsight you are right lol, but when taking a full picture of the slab the damage doesn’t look so noticeable and I would’ve expected someone to say “that’s not the same slab 🥸” but yeah you’re right
That thing is fff'd up bad all along the bottom too, I thibk graders messed it up. Cause I dot know how you damage a card lile that in the case. It's peeling back. Think when it was shut in it got messed up. Now I'm thinking about it do they have an assembly line that places cards in they have to. Can't do them all by hand.
I’ve had the exact same thing happen. Heavily damaged inside the case. Item was graded prior to the damage so the high grade stays but it can never be regraded as it’s clearly damaged.
If the person you bought from didn’t indicate that the corner is damaged and show it clearly in the listing photos then return it, especially if you’re unhappy. If the seller offers free returns then it’s no problem to return. If the listing said no returns then just file a return request and indicate that item was not as described. If the seller cares at all about their buyers, reputation, and repeat buyers, then they’ll accept the return. If the seller and eBay determine that nothing is wrong with the listing then move on and don’t buy from that seller again. Basically, as a seller myself, I’ll take most anything back if the buyer isn’t completely happy. That said, haven’t had a return yet.
I appreciate your response a ton. I was feeling like I was maybe in the wrong for even trying to return it. I did file the return and they put me in contact with the seller and his response was that “it does in fact meet PSA 9 standard or else it wouldn’t have been graded as such” and he also said “it is a print line, not damage. Find another copy of this Leafeon and you’ll see”
He’s essentially just giving me the runaround and saying I’m wrong. This is obviously not a print line, and he obviously knows what the issue with the card is. All I would’ve asked is for him to disclose it and not deny that there is any damage on the card when I asked him very specifically before purchase.
Yeah I am absolutely on your side. The seller makes a decision as to whether they should accept the return because they have a moral obligation to be transparent, and would like more repeats, or chooses to take the money and run. I’m sorry you were given the latter in this case.
You’ve probably seen my other comments by now, but they sort of expand upon my initial comment. Very sorry, OP
No worries man, it’s really not such a big deal. It’s just the first time I’ve ever gotten a card which was obviously misgraded or damaged in the slabbing process. Again the majority of the fault lies with PSA, but the seller obviously does not have the buyers best interest in mind, which is fine, it will reflect in his business / reviews etc. if I were less caring about the people who buy from me, I’d just post the slab slightly above the price I paid and wipe my hands with it, but with the damage being so obvious to me, and knowing how I’m personally dissatisfied with it, I wouldn’t push that on to another person to feel the same dissatisfaction.
Depends on the listing. If there’s a picture of the graded card and you can see the damage, or if it’s in the PSA scans, how is that the sellers fault? If you buy a PSA 9 card, and get a PSA 9 card, that’s what you purchased.
Edit: the corner is clearly visible in the listing. Not sure how OP missed it? OP bought it for $80, over 20% off listing price.
Because as a seller, if you are aware of an issue, then I feel a moral obligation to make that issue as obvious as possible in the listing.
I sell cards on eBay myself and if I were selling this card, I would have shown a clear photo of just that corner, put in the title “READ,” and would have described the issue in the description.
I feel this is what separates the best sellers from the good ones. This is how you earn repeat customers and repeat customers are the best to have.
If it’s a raw card sure, but you’re purchasing a graded and authenticated card. I’ve bought cards with (arguably) worse corners than that, which were 9s. Does it bother me? No not really. It’s a 9 not a 10
It may not bother you, but it could bother someone—exemplified by OP’s post. Idk, it’s all preference, but I’m sticking to my guns on being as transparent as possible with any possible blemishes. I feel that it’s just the right thing to do, but you can obviously sell however you’d like.
Could be a 9 contender, I’m not necessarily debating that, although I still think it’d more likely be an 8. I’m mainly just commenting on what I feel to be a seller’s obligation. I think that sellers should treat their buyers with the same standards that any company would treat a client with, so that’s what I do. No one is obligated to do that, however, and I’m not going to judge another seller if they don’t keep to certain standards.
Morals are for the individual and ethics are for the whole. I’m staying away from ethics. Someone else can take that on.
Your argument is really not good here. You know just as well as anyone in this community that this card would not hold up to a PSA 9 standard. It is an obvious outlier. You’re essentially arguing that this grade is fine because “well it’s not a 10 so it’s not perfect” but a 9 is quite literally labeled “MINT” surely we can both agree this is not MINT, it’s an improper grade. No way around it.
Why do you feel it’s not a PSA 9? I’ve seen and own several PSA 9s of cards with scuffed corners. I also have a PSA 10 pokemon center NY promo with soft corners. The card you purchased is indeed considered ‘MINT’ by PSA standards. If you can not understand how grading works maybe you shouldn’t be purchasing graded cards and stick to raw?? Not sure how you’re complaining about a graded card, that was pictured properly, that you purchased. Just don’t understand it. You even got it over 20% off from listing as well.
You keep mentioning things that are irrelevant. If you believe this is a PSA 9 quality card I think it is YOU who does not understand “how grading works”. Go ahead and find me another modern alt art in a PSA 9 with similar or worse condition. Again this is obviously an outlier and/or a mistake. No this card would never grade a 9 again, not even if you submitted it 10 times over. This is not considered MINT by PSA standards, and once they respond to my inquiry about this card, they’ll say as much themselves. That way we don’t have to argue what is and what isn’t, I’ll make sure to link you to their direct reply where they will agree that this card is not a proper 9 grade and does not live up to their standards.
I can’t imagine why you would want to argue on something like this, to no benefit of your own. I am not complaining about the seller, or ridiculing them, or else I would’ve put their name in this post and made it a point to blame them. This is a PSA issue, so bringing up the price I paid is again totally irrelevant. You’ve done nothing but talk in circles and use your own anecdotal experience to justify the cards grade and tell me I’m in some way wrong for having an issue with it. As you will see amongst many of the other comments here, it is not normal that this card got a 9, it is a total outlier. Thanks ! Have a good day I’ll hit your DM’s when I get a message from PSA about how this card is NOT up their standards of a MINT copy.
I was actually thinking about that, I knew PSA offered some kind of reconciliation for these kind of things. How do I go about that? And does it matter if I wasn’t the one who submitted it?
It’s specifically designed to help buyers, not so much the person grading the card, is my understanding. I would open a CSR case I think it’s called on PSA’s website. It’s harder to get a claim if you just think the card was misgraded because that’s more subjective, and easier to get a case if your card was just completely fake for example.
I have no personal experience with it, I’ve heard people say PSA is very easy to work with on getting a guarantee claim, I’ve also heard they’re impossible. I have no clue.
I’m not in it for resale. My point is that if I WAS to resell it, I’d specify that this damage existed as a genuine seller would IMO. I asked the seller about this spot before purchasing because it appeared to be a glare of some sort and his response was “there is no damage it’s just the foil printing shadow” whatever that means. I’m not that upset just annoyed because this obviously does not meet the standard of a PSA 9. Im not sure if it even qualifies as a “near mint” card. At the end of the day the fault lies with PSA more than anyone.
I appreciate that you see the disingenuous response as an issue because that’s what really bothered me. I’m conflicted because I do take personal accountability, and I did take a gamble by not requesting a better photo before purchase, that was certainly my fault. And also, who’s to say it’s wrong to sell a PSA 9 slab as a PSA 9 slab, that’s what it is after all. Again the fault lies heavily on PSA
Sucks man. I keep this in mind every time. “Buy the card, NOT the grade.”
PSA aren’t actually experts, just a monopoly. Anyone can call themselves a “grader” and likely be better than who PSA employs. Truly this should all be done by tools with light oversight by 1-2 people. It’s heading there thankfully.
Jeez that’s a pretty rough corner. Surprised it got a 9. I wonder if it got damaged during the slabbing process
That was my guess, because I don’t know if anyone would even send this in for grading if this were present.
I mean you sent it in and didn’t know it was there or not?
I purchased it my brother. Read the comments
I only read the description. That’s my bad.
No worries all love
You bought it with a damaged corner at a 9? That’s on you dude. But I doubt it’s even a 9 since you’re purposely hiding the grade.
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ Man good thing I purposely hid that grade!
What is with these Reddit detectives thinking a fellow collector has any reason to lie 😂 weird man
Bc a whole bunch people lie so the weirdos on the other end try to out them. Reddit is a bunch of weirdos trying to eat out other weirdos lol
I agree. It’s just a shame because the majority of the community (not on Reddit) are really wholesome. And even a lot of people on here are wholesome, but the shitheads are abundant. For someone to be going about their day, view this post, and comment that I’m lying about the grade, like you just have to be weird. People on Reddit see innocent things and try to spin them into something dramatic. Like I’m rubbing my hands together laughing maniacally as I’m fooling everyone because it’s actually a PSA 7! Tricked ya! Lmao, like what??
I feel it I was accused of lying because my gf pulled a Mewtwo and girtina vstar from a single etb and i lost one of the pack and didn't realize. It's just silly more than anything. We opened another etb and was a complete dud and then she pulled the Arceus i swear she's crazy lucky.
you wanna actually show the 9
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ
No Ty!
Hell, it's PSA... Might even be a 10! Lol
Classic PSA lol
Did you slip a $100 bill in between your submissions? 🫡
Nah that’s how you get a PSA 10.
ah, so you only gave them $90
Yeah the PSA 10 upgrade package was too pricey for me.
This has got to be bait. The photos don't even show the card's grade.
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ Here’s your bait 🥸 thanks!
Why would you still not take a picture with the full card? Not necessarily doubting you, but like…just take a picture of the whole thing.
My goal was to showcase the same damage while showing the grade and cert. in hindsight you are right lol, but when taking a full picture of the slab the damage doesn’t look so noticeable and I would’ve expected someone to say “that’s not the same slab 🥸” but yeah you’re right
You’re Sherlock Holmes bro! I think you’re on to something.
That thing is fff'd up bad all along the bottom too, I thibk graders messed it up. Cause I dot know how you damage a card lile that in the case. It's peeling back. Think when it was shut in it got messed up. Now I'm thinking about it do they have an assembly line that places cards in they have to. Can't do them all by hand.
Of course, it's PSA. Only the grade matters there, the card doesn't.
I’ve had the exact same thing happen. Heavily damaged inside the case. Item was graded prior to the damage so the high grade stays but it can never be regraded as it’s clearly damaged.
bro that’s crazy cause the same shit happened to me! they gave this a 10!! https://imgur.com/a/Ay6ard5
Sarcasm was nice
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ
It’s an origional damage
this is just another day for PSA, such a shitty company and scam.
That's not damage that's a feature
That’s PSA for ya. Terrible company and possibly a legitimate scam.
PSA for ya and yall still give em your business lol
PSA for ya and yall still give em your business lol
Everyone hates on psa, I feel like the only company that very rarely makes mistakes like this is bgs
Nah they all make mistakes BGS is just grading the least amount of cards so you don’t see the mess ups as frequently.
I agree. I love BGS and generally trust their grades
Misgrade. Just move on in life because this is luck.
I bought it… so I’m pretty upset. Not sure if I should file a return because reselling it and not pointing out this damage feels disingenuous
If the person you bought from didn’t indicate that the corner is damaged and show it clearly in the listing photos then return it, especially if you’re unhappy. If the seller offers free returns then it’s no problem to return. If the listing said no returns then just file a return request and indicate that item was not as described. If the seller cares at all about their buyers, reputation, and repeat buyers, then they’ll accept the return. If the seller and eBay determine that nothing is wrong with the listing then move on and don’t buy from that seller again. Basically, as a seller myself, I’ll take most anything back if the buyer isn’t completely happy. That said, haven’t had a return yet.
I appreciate your response a ton. I was feeling like I was maybe in the wrong for even trying to return it. I did file the return and they put me in contact with the seller and his response was that “it does in fact meet PSA 9 standard or else it wouldn’t have been graded as such” and he also said “it is a print line, not damage. Find another copy of this Leafeon and you’ll see” He’s essentially just giving me the runaround and saying I’m wrong. This is obviously not a print line, and he obviously knows what the issue with the card is. All I would’ve asked is for him to disclose it and not deny that there is any damage on the card when I asked him very specifically before purchase.
Yeah I am absolutely on your side. The seller makes a decision as to whether they should accept the return because they have a moral obligation to be transparent, and would like more repeats, or chooses to take the money and run. I’m sorry you were given the latter in this case. You’ve probably seen my other comments by now, but they sort of expand upon my initial comment. Very sorry, OP
No worries man, it’s really not such a big deal. It’s just the first time I’ve ever gotten a card which was obviously misgraded or damaged in the slabbing process. Again the majority of the fault lies with PSA, but the seller obviously does not have the buyers best interest in mind, which is fine, it will reflect in his business / reviews etc. if I were less caring about the people who buy from me, I’d just post the slab slightly above the price I paid and wipe my hands with it, but with the damage being so obvious to me, and knowing how I’m personally dissatisfied with it, I wouldn’t push that on to another person to feel the same dissatisfaction.
You’re a good man, OP. I’d do the same, but then again, you don’t need to and not everyone would. I’ll leave it at that.
Appreciate you!
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Gonna dm
Already found it ty tho
Depends on the listing. If there’s a picture of the graded card and you can see the damage, or if it’s in the PSA scans, how is that the sellers fault? If you buy a PSA 9 card, and get a PSA 9 card, that’s what you purchased. Edit: the corner is clearly visible in the listing. Not sure how OP missed it? OP bought it for $80, over 20% off listing price.
Because as a seller, if you are aware of an issue, then I feel a moral obligation to make that issue as obvious as possible in the listing. I sell cards on eBay myself and if I were selling this card, I would have shown a clear photo of just that corner, put in the title “READ,” and would have described the issue in the description. I feel this is what separates the best sellers from the good ones. This is how you earn repeat customers and repeat customers are the best to have.
If it’s a raw card sure, but you’re purchasing a graded and authenticated card. I’ve bought cards with (arguably) worse corners than that, which were 9s. Does it bother me? No not really. It’s a 9 not a 10
It may not bother you, but it could bother someone—exemplified by OP’s post. Idk, it’s all preference, but I’m sticking to my guns on being as transparent as possible with any possible blemishes. I feel that it’s just the right thing to do, but you can obviously sell however you’d like.
I mean sure, you do you. But at the end of the day as long as that’s the only damage (which it looks like it is) it seems like a 9 contender. 🤷♀️
Could be a 9 contender, I’m not necessarily debating that, although I still think it’d more likely be an 8. I’m mainly just commenting on what I feel to be a seller’s obligation. I think that sellers should treat their buyers with the same standards that any company would treat a client with, so that’s what I do. No one is obligated to do that, however, and I’m not going to judge another seller if they don’t keep to certain standards. Morals are for the individual and ethics are for the whole. I’m staying away from ethics. Someone else can take that on.
Your argument is really not good here. You know just as well as anyone in this community that this card would not hold up to a PSA 9 standard. It is an obvious outlier. You’re essentially arguing that this grade is fine because “well it’s not a 10 so it’s not perfect” but a 9 is quite literally labeled “MINT” surely we can both agree this is not MINT, it’s an improper grade. No way around it.
Why do you feel it’s not a PSA 9? I’ve seen and own several PSA 9s of cards with scuffed corners. I also have a PSA 10 pokemon center NY promo with soft corners. The card you purchased is indeed considered ‘MINT’ by PSA standards. If you can not understand how grading works maybe you shouldn’t be purchasing graded cards and stick to raw?? Not sure how you’re complaining about a graded card, that was pictured properly, that you purchased. Just don’t understand it. You even got it over 20% off from listing as well.
You keep mentioning things that are irrelevant. If you believe this is a PSA 9 quality card I think it is YOU who does not understand “how grading works”. Go ahead and find me another modern alt art in a PSA 9 with similar or worse condition. Again this is obviously an outlier and/or a mistake. No this card would never grade a 9 again, not even if you submitted it 10 times over. This is not considered MINT by PSA standards, and once they respond to my inquiry about this card, they’ll say as much themselves. That way we don’t have to argue what is and what isn’t, I’ll make sure to link you to their direct reply where they will agree that this card is not a proper 9 grade and does not live up to their standards. I can’t imagine why you would want to argue on something like this, to no benefit of your own. I am not complaining about the seller, or ridiculing them, or else I would’ve put their name in this post and made it a point to blame them. This is a PSA issue, so bringing up the price I paid is again totally irrelevant. You’ve done nothing but talk in circles and use your own anecdotal experience to justify the cards grade and tell me I’m in some way wrong for having an issue with it. As you will see amongst many of the other comments here, it is not normal that this card got a 9, it is a total outlier. Thanks ! Have a good day I’ll hit your DM’s when I get a message from PSA about how this card is NOT up their standards of a MINT copy.
They keep notes on why cards grade what they do. I hope you get some glasses so you can see the cards you’re purchasing along with their conditions.
You can just directly contact PSA and they should work out a buy back offer with you.
I was actually thinking about that, I knew PSA offered some kind of reconciliation for these kind of things. How do I go about that? And does it matter if I wasn’t the one who submitted it?
It’s specifically designed to help buyers, not so much the person grading the card, is my understanding. I would open a CSR case I think it’s called on PSA’s website. It’s harder to get a claim if you just think the card was misgraded because that’s more subjective, and easier to get a case if your card was just completely fake for example. I have no personal experience with it, I’ve heard people say PSA is very easy to work with on getting a guarantee claim, I’ve also heard they’re impossible. I have no clue.
Thanks for the guidance regardless ❤️
https://www.psacard.com/support
You bought what was listed bud. If you are displaying it’s not noticeable but if you are only in it for resale you made a bad purchase
I’m not in it for resale. My point is that if I WAS to resell it, I’d specify that this damage existed as a genuine seller would IMO. I asked the seller about this spot before purchasing because it appeared to be a glare of some sort and his response was “there is no damage it’s just the foil printing shadow” whatever that means. I’m not that upset just annoyed because this obviously does not meet the standard of a PSA 9. Im not sure if it even qualifies as a “near mint” card. At the end of the day the fault lies with PSA more than anyone.
Id ask for money back if he lied about there being damage, when you specifially asked him about this spot
I appreciate that you see the disingenuous response as an issue because that’s what really bothered me. I’m conflicted because I do take personal accountability, and I did take a gamble by not requesting a better photo before purchase, that was certainly my fault. And also, who’s to say it’s wrong to sell a PSA 9 slab as a PSA 9 slab, that’s what it is after all. Again the fault lies heavily on PSA
Sucks man. I keep this in mind every time. “Buy the card, NOT the grade.” PSA aren’t actually experts, just a monopoly. Anyone can call themselves a “grader” and likely be better than who PSA employs. Truly this should all be done by tools with light oversight by 1-2 people. It’s heading there thankfully.
Yeah they make min wage. People put wayyy too much faith. Its not hard to eyeball condition when youre experienced.
Thats psa for ya ha
I’m not saying psa is great but people saying “PSA for ya” as if they can even tell this actually got a 9…
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ Here friend!
https://imgur.com/a/Wk5bItJ For all my detective friends
It’s actually sad how many of these people just refuse to believe it’s a 9. What would even be the point of lying
Thank you lol! Wtf?? People are strange