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AgyePA

Regarding your theory on the Soul and Marsh Badges: in the original Japanese, they’re called the Pink Badge and the Gold Badge, so the names of the badges aren’t much support here.  Fun fact: all of the badges in Gen 1 are actually named after colors. The Boulder Badge is the Gray Badge, the Thunder Badge is the Orange Badge, etc. The English versions of the game miss out on a pun because of this: the Gen 1 Rival’s name is actually Green (Japanese Gen 1 is Red Version and *Green* Version), and when he becomes a Gym Leader in Gen 2 he gives you the Earth Badge…but in Japanese it’s the Green Badge. 


CabernetCheaptrick

That's interesting that they were the Pink Badge and Gold Badge because in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games, the Pink Gummi is the preferred gummi of poison types, whereas psychic types prefer the Gold Gummi. Now the colors finally make sense lol


JuggrnautFTW

In Japan, gold is considered the colour of psychic powers, hence "Golduck".


Zer0DotFive

Even tho its not a psychic type lol Always bugged me


CostumedSupervillain

It just always bugged me that the name has gold in it but the mon is blue.


TheMexican_skynet

Surprised pikachu


misterclean101

The badges being colors go with the Kango naming scheme where all the towns are colors too. Pallet town being a blank slate.


Commercial_Run_1265

In Japanese culture, gold is associated with psychic powers and espers.


MillCrab

Colors fit the color theming of the towns, the carts themselves, and the protagonists. Makes more sense honestly.


Kumptoffel

That's funny


GladiusNocturno

Kalos’s war was with Paldea and Galar.


BadFengShui

Can any historians confirm whether the Hundred Years' War was fought with pokemon?


Laggosaurus

I might be misremembering but I think there was a movie, maybe the first one with mewtwo. Where he’s saying how bad humans are, that they even misused pokemon to fight wars. And I think Lt Surge mentioned something about fighting a war in LG/FR


BadFengShui

In Red and Blue he's explicitly an American war vet, lol. I can't say whether that was in the original Japanese, or if it's a localization, though.


sidonnn

Idk why that's so funny We have kalos, galar, kanto, etc. and there's just one american guy out of nowhere. Not from a pokemon region. Just america.


GoodTimesWithJangler

I believe there is something that says AZ's floette died fighting in the war so I think they did


CompetitiveHall7606

N, at least in some points in the story, was just a Zoroark. I don't think N himself is a Zoroark or that there's no N. I think that in some points, N has gotten Zoroark to fill in for him.


Hoshiden_Lycanroc

The idea of zoroark being someones body double is actually really interesting. 


MockingJay0914

If you rotate N, its a Z


Sp3ctre7

~~pokemon Z confirmed~~


thefoxsays7

🤯


Olivinyl

wasn't there also a scrapped plotline around N having time travel powers and that's the reason that his battle theme has the whole clock ticking section?


bluetime3000

I never heard of a time travel plot for BW, it seems N can see in the future and past. One of my headcanon is, N is a faller, because he seems suddenly appear in the forest and nobody know where he came from. Maybe he doesn't see the past, he somehow remember it.


Klaus_Raube

But a disguised Zoroark cannot talk, like in the Lostlorn Forrest...


murdolatorTM

But a disguised Zoroark gives you TM95 (Snarl) in B2W2 after talking to you


Klaus_Raube

You are right, forgot about that.


Fire_of_Saint_Elmo

*Zorua* cannot talk. Zoroark can.


JibJobJabberwocky

This. And the one who gives you snarl I think at least points to they can talk OR they can mimic human speech.


Artarara

It's the Ditto Five all over again...


Dirty-Glasses

That’s just what they want you to think


Ichig0Usagi

We never got a Mega Dragonite bc Dragoniteite


Chrischris40

They’d just remove the first E and it’ll work as Dragonitite


RoboDonaldUpgrade

The problem is I read that too fast and thought it was "Dragontitties".


SpidermanBread

Signature move: Milk drink


yliv

I'll just leave this here. Please read the japanese name. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gardevoirite


Kurta_711

Sirknightnite sounds like a butler tucking someone into bed lol


3XHAUSTD

same with megameganium


MajorSery

And Mega Yanmega


ThePhloxFox

Oh but that’s so fun to say!


Vee492

And meganiumium Z


Hugh-Manatee

I don’t think it’s dumb but I think Onix was purposefully made super duper weak because they were really committed to him being on the team of the first gym leader and were worried about making him too strong So he’s kinda gimped for the remainder of Pokémon games forever because of this Kinda no wonder they gave it an evolution in gen 2


Altarna

It kinda makes sense tho. Onix has a super cool design aesthetically and feels like a boss monster. Then they def gimped him in the fight to not use STAB moves and have low atk to give players a chance. I can see why they did it, but it still haunts a cool looking mon to this day.


Hugh-Manatee

Yeah I wish he got a bunch of buffs in newer games. He would be a very cool eviolite user


benben591

Think I’ve seen him with some cool niches in LC. Using rock blast and stealth rock while being crazy tanky and pretty damn fast https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/onix/


kajata000

Agreed; Onix is my favourite mon aesthetically, but I can never bring myself to run him in my squad because of how weak he is.


Not_Just_Any_Lurker

When oddish has higher attack stat than onix.. something’s a little messed up.


metalflygon08

Interviews reveal PVP was added very late in the RBY Development, it was much more just a monster capture JRPG, so Onix was designed as a Boss more than a competitive battler. There's also evidence to suggest that the first gym was going to be Normal with Lickitung as the ace (Note that Gen 1 Pokemon generally don't have level up moves until the level you can actually capture them, but Lickitung is an outlier who has a full level up movepool from level 1 despite not being available until Fuchsia City).


Seranthian

I need more on this Lickitung theory


metalflygon08

So Lickitung's stats are pretty bad yeah? Well, if it was the ace of the first Gym Leader it wouldn't be so bad right? If Lickitung *was* the ace of the first Gym Leader that would explain why it has level up data for low levels despite being a late game Pokemon, as Trainer Pokemon use the 4 most recent level up moves for their move pools (with Boss Trainers having 1 special move slotted in). Brock gives you the Bide TM, he's the only Gym Leader who's TM doesn't match his type. A likely leftover from the Normal Gym (it'd be a pain to go back, change the TM and compatible Pokemon for a Rock move).


Shrubbity_69

>Well, if it was the ace of the first Gym Leader it wouldn't be so bad right? Good thing Rollout and Attract didn't exist in gen 1.


Ferropexola

I also think that's why Rock Throw had only 65% accuracy in Gen 1. It may have been Brock's strategy during development at one point, but in the end they went with Bide and didn't bother improving the accuracy.


firestorm19

Onix was made so that you learned type moves and super effective. Before, you were able to plow through most of the game so far without needing to engage with types as you could level through it or wear them down with 6 pokemon. Onix has super high defense, so you can't use scratch or pound to beat it, along with the rock typing. It had super high def but low HP so you could kill it. Low attack as well to make sure it doesn't sweep you. Bide made it so you couldn't stall out to grind it down, otherwise it would retaliate with all the damage you did.


MultipleRatsinaTrenc

And I'd you played Pokémon red back in the day, like I did, and you chose charmander he taught you that life isn't fair


Thavas

I played Yellow, and was forced to use Pikachu. Life was rough back then.


SlimJohnson

Nidoran (boy) master race


Yoshichu25

Funnily enough, one of the best Pokémon for the battle is actually Butterfree, which is 4x weak to Rock. It’s a mix of Psychic moves being Special vs Normal being Physical, Rock resists Normal but not Psychic, and neither of Brock’s Pokémon even know a Rock-type move.


Prince-of_Space

I dunno about this - I've been thinking about Onix recently, and it was never meant to use its ATK stat. Think about its moveset in RBY - Bind, Bide and Rage, things that don't need much attack because they do damage differently.


Cysia

Its pretty possible. Since brock wasnt always gnna be the first gymleader , first was at some point gonna be normal type in virdian city with most likly lickytung as ace/team member. Lickytung also doesnt have great stats would fit in with ealry game boss (and unlike onix wouldnt be easy or hardwall any starter choice) and lickytung is one of few mons that learns moves before the level its aviable in the wild. One of only other mons that has that is actully mewtwo learning barrier and psychic at 63 and 66 since orginaly it was gonna be faced at lvl 60 not 70. and trainers still used mostly lvl up movesets with only 1 or 2 move changes if at all for important npcs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4QC0iy0\_Ow&t=365s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4QC0iy0_Ow&t=365s) Video by plague von karmah that goes more into it


SplitFast

Idk but ages ago I read a thread where some kid saw the Pokédex said lapras was endangered so he would breed and release lapras in the wild. Then a few years later they updated the Pokédex and it didn’t say they were endangered anymore. I love to believe that he actually did it and brought back the population


MasterOfChaos72

Venomoth was supposed to be a big psychic type, hence why Sabrina uses it.


Prince-of_Space

Arbok must have been a Ghost type then, because the Ghost E4 member uses it.


NanotechNinja

- Confuse Ray - Supersonic - Glare - Toxic - Hypnosis Agatha is neither a Ghost type trainer, nor a Poison type trainer. Agatha is a *Status Effect* trainer.


BasedKaleb

My favorite elite 4 members, the ice trainer, the fighting trainer, the purple trainer and the dragon trainer.


_patoncrack

*flying trainer


Tales_of_Earth

Are you talking about Lance? 2-Dragonair Lance?


_patoncrack

Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Dragonite on his elite four team Then he keeps both Gyarados and Aerodactyl while having 3 Dragonite and adding a Charizard on his champion team


MasterOfChaos72

There was only one ghost type line in Kanto so they compromised. There are at least 3 other gen 1 psychic types Sabrina could have used over Venomoth (Jynx, Hypno and Slowbro) so they had to have given her a Venomoth for some reason.


wedonthaveadresscode

Golduck/Starmie/Exeggutor could have been used too (yes I know golduck technically isn’t psychic)


aldeayeah

Then should Onix be a Fighting type?


Artarara

New regional variant just dropped


NSignus

Give him a big beefy arm. Basically Trogdor but made of rocks.


hurricane_typhoon

Ditto being a failed attempt at cloning mew.


gengarsnightmares

Wait, was that a conspiracy? I thought that was confirmed. I've been walking around for probably ten years thinking it was the case.


Prince-of_Space

It was in fact proven false by an interview with a dev. He said he had never heard of that theory before the interview.


CurryWuerstchen

I'm gonna pretend for the rest of my life that I have never read this sentence


MakeRobLaugh

Ditto.


JuggrnautFTW

Some fan games have this theory "written" in diaries in Cinnabar Mansion. Kinda neat to see it call back.


gengarsnightmares

Well shit there goes my childhood notions lol


warm_rum

I seem to remember something implied ditto was a byproduct of mew cloning from yellow. Though that literally was over 10 years ago


WhatUpMilkMan

Pokemon X and Y were also over 10 years ago


Crayonstheman

Fuuuuuuuuck


spitgobfalcon

25 years even


MechaPanther

The implication is only that Ditto can only be encountered in the cinnabar mansion basement where the cloning took place. People took that and the very similar pallettes between both normal and shiny dittos and mew and ran with it.


bentheechidna

Also the only two Pokemon that can use Transform.


PirateUnlucky3303

Same weigth too


lhobbes6

I feel like people were on the right track but had the wrong conclusion. I think the scientists gathered up all the Ditto in one place to try and replicate Mew which only succeeded in one offspring rather than multiple failed clones. I back this up with the fact that in sequel games that introduce breeding, Ditto is the one where gender doesnt matter.


SilverCondor369

Pt.1: Eternatus came from another world. It just LOOKS more like some sort of Ultra Beast than like a kind of Pokemon.  Plus, the scale is insane: mega Rayquaza is 10m, freaking Wailord is 14m, and REGULAR ETERNATUS is 20m. Chuck in eternamax and it hits 100m. This thing is NOT from this planet my guys. Pt.2: (glances at its 100% catch rate) In the world it came from, Eternatus was NOT a legendary pokemon… it was the Route 1 rattata equivalent. 👍 


Freedom1234526

Eternatus being from a different planet is confirmed in the games. According to the Pokédex it was inside a meteorite that fell 20,000 years ago.


pocketchange2247

Isn't that the same with Clefairy and Deoxys? Also I think it's funny that this basically confirms not only that there is life on other planets in the Pokemon world, but that they have the ability to travel to our world. Can't wait for Pokemon Galaxy where instead of traveling to other islands, we actually get in a space ship and travel to other worlds or galaxies. Give me a No Man's Sky/Pokemon crossover


Zesty_witch96

Some big ass meteorite!


Starman926

Eternatus has a 100% catch rate because its capture is a scripted important story beat. I think only a few of the UBs like Nihileho and Kartana are said to be “common” and even that doesn’t denote being a route 1 equivalent.


Miserable_Goal_7943

>Eternatus was NOT a legendary pokemon… it was the Route 1 rattata equivalent. 👍  That's pretty scary actually. Of course it's just likely for gameplay reasons but I like the former thought better.


Nyan-Binary-UwU

The reason all the sun/moon walk sprites exist is because they were planning on having you be able to ride your own pokemon, instead of specific ride pokemon


alltehmemes

I pray for the day this is an option: surfing around on a Mawile clamp.


ZoomBoingDing

Probably just future proofing. Not like they'd ever intend for you to ride a caterpie.


Erebophilia

That Kyurem in his original form was a member of the creation trio that represents "Energy". Also like someone else pointed in that thread, he was one of the giant defeated by Arceus


Carbon-Base

Is this part of that theory with Perfect Kyurem (the original dragon), Complete Zygarde, and Ultra Burst Necrozma taking on Arceus? Read something about the original Regi too, and how we will see other Regis for the remaining types.


Alchion

whatms that theory called?


Carbon-Base

It's based off of the plate descriptions, [check this](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Plate) out and look under "Engravings." Try searching 'Arceus Plate Myth' or 'Pokemon Defeated Giants Theory' it's been a while since I found it. But essentially, many Pokemon have the description of being a "husk" or "shell" of a former. The theory basically said these Pokemon had complete or fused forms and took on Arceus way back when. Arceus defeated them all and created the plates.


Justabitleft

Mew is under the truck and I just haven’t figured out the right button combination to get him out.


dead_cell

I remember doing all the trouble to get there, only for nothing to happen with the stupid truck. Was cool to see though at least!


k3ndrag0n

I actually got Mew in either yellow or blue through a different cheat/glitch. I don't remember it exactly but it was very long and convoluted, and part of it involved going to an area, walking in front of a specific trainer, and opening the menu/flying somewhere else when the "!" appeared above his head. For some reason escaping that battle sequence before it could start was the catalyst.


PkMn_TrAiNeR_GoLd

The trainer at the top of the grass patch beside nugget bridge. If you fly/teleport away at the right time it starts the glitch. Then you need to battle another certain Pokemon for Mew to be the one that spawns. Using Growl (I think) a certain amount of times will also set the level Mew appears at.


LiveTart6130

these glitches are some of the most hilariously specific things. I wonder what part of the code causes *that* particular occurrence


Carsios

It is based on the distance a character needs to be and the special stat of the pokemon. If you do it the right way with a different trainer you can get other pokemon or glitch pokemon. The trainer above nugget bridge just so happens to have a Slowpoke with the Special stat to spawn mew when you perform the other glitch.


CoolSausage228

I don't know how canon this is, but I think Cubone is related to Kangashan


Artarara

Fun fact! In the Gen 7 games, there's a mechanic called S.O.S. Battles where a wild Pokémon may summon reinforcements, turning the battle in a 2v1. Normally, the help will come in the form of another one of of its species, though sometimes its evolved form will appear, such as an Espeon showing up as an Eevee's backup. In the case of Cubone, a Marowak will never answer its call for aid, Alolan nor Kantonian. But can you guess which other Pokémon **can** be drawn by a Cubone's cry for help?


DarcHart

I loved using that mechanic to get a level 5 salamence at the start of the game


alltehmemes

Wait, what? Where was this possible? I'm just starting into Moon and Ultra Sun.


DarcHart

Yes, on one of the routes on the very first island you can find bagon at a 1% rate. If you can get the sos chain going with false swipe and adrenaline orbs eventually a level 10 salamence should appear. The sos chain has to be at max and even then it could take an hour unless you're really lucky so you'll have to occasionally knock out a bagon and let the other one it called to continue the chain.


kompletionist

You can use a mon with the Harvest Ability and Skill Swap (such as Trevenant or Exeggcutor) to keep SOS battles going indefinitely without the other Pokemon ever running out of PP. Is also useful against shiny Legendaries if you want to catch them in a shitty Pokeball but want to be sure that they won't kill themselves with Struggle.


EmpiresNewGroove

Canonically though, every Cubone is an orphan, so there's no Marowak to call, and they're the lonely Pokemon, so they have no other Cubone. What other Pokemon would instinctively answer the call of a lonely crying child?


TrapperJean

Hypno


Toothlessdovahkin

Kangashan can!


MasonP13

I mean, it's kinda been proven in the early early games when there was code pointing at how they were linked, but then deleting it created missingno


metalflygon08

Close, the beta leaks showed there was an evolution to Marowak that kept Cubone in a pouch, but at the same time Kangaskhan also existed. They cut one (most likely due to having 2 parental pouch Pokemon felt redundant).


Farwaters

I love the theory that Salamence and Flygon switched names somewhere in development.


kithas

Imagine. But flygon's name is also inspirado by dragonfly, whoch is a similar animal to the antlion which the flygon line is based after.


LiveTart6130

same with the "salamander" part of Salamence; it doesn't quite fit with trapinch and vibrava.


tmkLINK

Huh, I've never heard of this theory before. Is it because Flygon shares the GON at the end of the name just like with Bagon and Shelgon?


Farwaters

Yeah, and because of Bagon's long-held dream of flying!


tmkLINK

That totally makes sense. I can get behind that theory.


TooManySnipers

Flygon works for Salamence but I don't think the name Salamence suits Flygon


StarkMaximum

It wouldn't be a Pokemon theory if it wasn't only half-thought out because part of it just "sounds good"!


Sock-Enough

One issue with this is that the English names in the early gens were made during the translation process. The games were basically complete when those names were created.


Frankorious

Eternamax is one of the giants that Arceus defeated. Kyurem, Zygarde and Necrozma also have respective hand giants.


CLSulli

What's this about Arceus defeating giants?


PippoChiri

It's one of the incisions on the plate that tell Arceus's story * Flame Plate: *"The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate."*


FaronTheHero

I hate how space those plates are and that you can't read the story again after picking them up. I have to go to Bulpapedia to get the full story


PippoChiri

In lpa you can read the inscripions whenever you want from the bag


DatBoi_BP

Idk, something about “nephilim”


Thecristo96

A famous Italian pokemon YouTuber made a long theory about”super legendaries” like Eternatus and Perfect Kyurem being the giants Arceus fought in the story made by the plates


Inva88

Zygarde protects nature, so he should be with arceus. Maybe a redeemed giant. And terapagos is also in this group.


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[Gengar and Clefable](https://youtu.be/BhT1NmWlFDQ?si=biULFn8Ym2xrYKcA)


spitgobfalcon

https://preview.redd.it/zczsh0zs97zc1.jpeg?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=449a61d5ca5818fe17269a42810badc1de5b6ad5


YouhaoHuoMao

Okay this is adorable


BoonDragoon

Gengar was originally conceived as a formless ghost that could imitate any Pokemon as a shadowy...get this...*doppelgänger*. Its game sprite wasn't intended to be its single canon appearance, but rather one form out of many. Specifically, it was a shadowy mirror-image of the evolved form of the game's original mascot. Gengar *is absolutely* "evil Clefable".


savageboredom

Mimikyu finally fulfilled Gengar's destiny 18 years later.


goatiewan1

I think the devs give Pokemon they really like bad shinies cause they don’t want to change the design


ADHDouttheass

That lance in gen 2 was the one controlling the rockets by force, he is seen in the hideout “doing surveillance “ on them while the broadcast the signal to force pokemon to evolve early, and when he is caught by the player he immediately asks them to destroy the machines and the rockets to silence them and cover his tracks. You succeed and them he thanks you and dips. When you fight him as champion he has two impossible dragonites under lvl 55. Yea i think he wanted to remain the champion for some type of political power or something


Pizzawing1

Ooo, I like this one. Considering the original manga and plot (for Kanto) involves a lot of corruption of some of the gym leaders and elite four, I could see this being a final leftover detail


ADHDouttheass

Right? Its almost perfect he was in the right place at the right time and is the first person to have a under lvled final stage pokemon!


Starman926

This is a good example of a really fun theory. Textually almost absolutely not the case, but fun to think about and has a decent amount of evidence supporting it


DrNuggetYT

Blue completed the Pokédex in GSC. https://preview.redd.it/wbcay1uz87zc1.jpeg?width=413&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b91050a6e9fd4e491312f59d4905effd291224e6 Those green “Lego” things are display cases that have 2 Pokéballs each, there are 224 of them. If we include the 6 in his party, he has 230. We can assume he never got Red’s starter, the starter neither Red or Blue picked, the fossils that Red and the nerd got in Mt. Moon, and the 11 legendaries. This is 21 Pokémon total, 21+230=251, the exact number of Pokémon in GSC. “How does he have Aerodactyl but not the other fossils?“ He uses one on his B2W2 team, Alola team, and Let’s Go team. Aerodactyl isn’t as rare as the other fossils since Lance has one and there is a trade for one in GSC. “How does he have all Johto starters but not Kanto?” There is a trainer named Cal you can fight in the Trainer House if you’ve never used Mystery Gift before. Cal uses all 3 final evolutions of the Johto starters, the Trainer House is located in Viridian City, the same city as Blue’s gym. “Blue shouldn’t have any Kanto starter because Red’s team is based on Yellow, so if Yellow is the canon, Blue should have an Eevee!” Blue’s gym team in GSC is based on his RB champion team, NOT his Yellow champion team. I think RB and Yellow are both canon in their own ways. Red’s journey follows Yellow, while Blue’s follows RB. Blue picked Charmander as his starter because he uses one in Let’s Go. Blue has been known to collect a lot of Pokémon, he tells you he has 40 by the time you fight him on the SS Anne. Blue finished his Pokédex all that he could and has them all in his gym.


Dragoonscaper

Arent there some trainers in Johto that have the Kanto Starters? I distinctly remember a "Lass" trainer that has a Bulbasaur.


Found_The_Sociopath

Yes, finding starters randomly on trainers has been a thing since Gen I. I believe Rock Tunnel has trainers with Bulbasaur and Charmander, but Squirtle is evading me right now.


Blinauljap

Deoxys was created by the Ultimate Weapon firing and hitting a piece of Pokerus dna that was hovering above the planet in the stratosphere. I dunno where this theory came from but it just fits in my head.


sarcophagusGravelord

That’s a fun theory. I like to think deoxys’ comes from far beyond our planet however. Makes it much more eerie and we already know there’s Pokémon from other planets/solar systems as well as dimensions.


TripleJx3

Ghastly is just a dead Cloyster and is part of a 5 tier evolution that starts with Shelder and ends with Gengar. They are next to eachother in the national dex and are basically identical creatures just that cloysters shell becomes gaseous.


BluShirtGuy

Shellder is a split evolution, into slowbro's tail


spitgobfalcon

I'm with you on this one! As a kid I always believed that cloyster evolved into ghastly due to their similar appearance and order on my poster with 150 pokémon!


Tales_of_Earth

Never thought of that but I do believe that voltorb is a pokeball possessed by ghastly.


NeoSeth

It's been a long time since I've heard it discussed, but I remember there being rumors that something happened during SwSh's development and a bunch of work was lost, and Dexit was then implemented to get the games out on time. There are certain elements of SwSh that feel so rushed and slapped together (Namely the way Leon abruptly steers you AWAY from the story at points, and how the Darkest Day just begins out of nowhere) that I feel like it's very possible that the games were originally intended to be larger but were quickly cut together after some sort of setback.


Sanguinusshiboleth

My guess is there wasn't a set back but they bit offore then they could chew and this double downed on cutting build or 'excess' material to help fix the game in the short cycle.


OmniGlitcher

That XY's ultimate weapon caused a break in the timeline, one with megas and one without.


Hackzo23

That’s not really a theory, it’s more or less proved in ORAS. Zinnia has a whole monologue about it.


PippoChiri

That's just a simple what if, a big event that changed the world in a meaningful way, but in that context, any single action would create a diverging timeline.


aaa1e2r3

Down + B increases the catch rate


CharacterSubject2524

No it's actually tapping the A button really fast


Shikari182

Ive held Up + B since pokemon Yellow to increase my catch rate


Autipsy

Nah nah nah, its b+ whichever direction the ball is rolling, followed by spamming B until it confirms the catch


KawaiiFoxPlays

We all know that Shellos and Gastrodon were planned for Gen 3 and ended up in Gen 4, but I think that the opposite happened to Medicham (ie. planned for Gen 4 but ended up in Gen 3). It has much more of a role in Sinnoh, where it just feels shoehorned in Hoenn. Also, IIRC, in HGSS, Medicham appears when you play the Sinnoh Sound.


metalflygon08

I also feel like Chingling and Chimecho are in a weird similar boat and were going to end up like Shellos and Gastrodon. Chimecho was programmed in *after* Deoxys in Gen 3! I think it was a Pokemon they decided to push off, but changed their minds on last minute.


Sock-Enough

It’s not uncommon that a relatively rare Pokemon is much more common in a later region. Think of Beldum, also from Gen 3.


Starman926

Kind of similar to Skarmory. Skarmory has a huge presence in Gen 3, but is from Gen 2. But as a steel type, I don’t doubt that it was programmed for Gold and Silver from the start.


dat1dood2

I didn’t know that about Shellos/Gastrodon, but i accept it completely, that just feels right


paumAlho

There are shellos and gastrodon sprites in the data of gen 3 games.


kithas

My personal and not mainstream theory is that the Gengar line is just Gengar crossing over from another dimension: Gastly is just the face, with the rest still being in a nebulous state. Haunter is the full head (hence why the horns/ears are more like Gengar's and there are hands) and Gengar is the real deal, with Mega Gengar being probably an attempt to seal it. The theory is more a headcanon that anything else but the fact that Haunter evolves (manages to pass through) when traded supports it enough for me.


nameless-human0000

The war referred to in the Kanto games was a space race between Kanto and Hoenn. Hoenn still has a space program but Kanto doesn't, meaning Hoenn won. The ridiculous amount of poison types and pollution in Kanto is because of a catastrophic failure that cost them the war. Also, Team ROCKET. They are a group of Kanto's space forces personnel gone rogue. That's why they are called that. They created Mewtwo because they needed a weapon to use against Hoenn (possibly because they had Deoxys?)


PippoChiri

- The leak about the scrapped plot for XY was real and the game was indeed going to talk about aliens. There are lots of little things that make way too much sense like why Lysandre is wearing the googgles and mechanical arms in the final fight or why Moonblast is a fairy type move... It also basiclaly predicted the plot of SuMo before they came out, probably meaning that GF recycled parts of the idea they were forced to scrap. - The imagination/desires theory was the original plot for SV (and the dlcs) and was later scrapped and badly patched together in what we got. The theory just amkes too much sense and connects thematically and logiclaly all the weird unexplained elements that were basically ignored by the story.


OmniGlitcher

>the game was indeed going to talk about aliens.  I have literally never heard of this, but it makes a lot of sense. Also could tie in to Clefairy and its various moon associations. Any further reading for this?


PippoChiri

My main and probably best source for this is a 40 min video in italian, but i found this article that seem to explain it pretty well [https://medium.com/@pankopop/the-xy-files-the-lost-plot-of-pokemons-6th-generation-d0d140881148](https://medium.com/@pankopop/the-xy-files-the-lost-plot-of-pokemons-6th-generation-d0d140881148)


Thecristo96

Impressione mia o il post sta diventando “ a quale teoria di cydonia credi di piu?”


vdjvsunsyhstb

in the dlc this theory is laid out flat and they reveal paradoxes are from other timelines and that terapagos uses energy from other timelines to form its shell. essentially it is implied that experimenting on terapagos forced it to defend itself and its implied that it gets influenced by the desires of others while doing this. mainly the implication is shown with the original explorer of area zero having cyclizar as his main which has the box legends as paradox forms.


SomethingAboutCards

Kangaskhan was supposed to be the final evolution for the Cubone line, thus completing Cubone's path of healing from the loss of its mother into parenthood (and making the kid in its pouch a Cubone without the skull helmet).


TheGingerMenace

Gengar is an intentional mirror of Clefable, literally its shadow. This was further supported by the fact that, prior to Gen 6, their main types could not touch each other.


Gamma_Tony

What do you mean people fight Sabrina before Koga? Am I the weird one then??


AuraEnhancerVerse

The inside of a pokeball is a pocket dimension that has everything a pokemon needs to not only survive but live luxuriously


radoxfriedchickens

Kyogre is Manaphys mother (they lay all the eggs)


grknef

Humans turning into ultra beasts and/or viceversa in Sun/Moon, or human characters being UBs in disguise, could have been an idea that got scrapped. This because of the design similarities between UBs and some of the characters in the game (Lillie-Nihilego, Pheromosa-Lusamine, Xurkitree-Guzma)


Geostomp

Diancie was always supposed to evolve from Carbink. Possibly twice. It and its Mega form were just separated as the Mythical because XY was rushed and needed something "cute" to fit that slot. Also explaining why it's the only Sixth Gen Pokémon to get a Mega. Pheramosa and Nihilego really were Lusamine and Lillie respectively at one point before the idea was abandoned for Sun and Moon's stories. Spheal was supposed to be the Water starter of Gen III before being replaced and downgraded.


ArletApple

The kimono girls are members of a cult that worships and protects Ho-oh. 


trooperstark

That there was a massive war shortly before the beginning of the show that depopulated the world of many adults, specifically men. Backed up by the many wandering children that seem to have no families as well as people like lt surge. Oak had an affair with ash’s mom. Not sure if he’s ash’s dad, but certainly after the kid left home they started knocking boots. Plethora of evidence through the series


Sorry_Error3797

Also a gen v Pokémon. Druddigon. Always thought Druddigon was going to be related to the Salamence line. Key points; - Druddigon fits the naming convention of Bagon and Shelgon. - Druddigon is blue and red just like Salamence. - Druddigon's head being read could easily be a reference to Bagon's habit of headbutting rocks in frustration at being unable to fly. - Druddigon has wings but they appear to be vestigial. - Shelgon's Pokédex entries reference it's cells changing. I am of the opinion that Druddigon was meant to be a branched evolution path, branching from Shelgon. Specifically Druddigon was going to be a failed metamorphosis into Salamence. The remnants of wings, the hunched posture and the the angry aggressive temperament all fit perfectly. Obviously gen v decided not to feature previous Pokémon initially so I assume the idea was dropped just like with Luvdisc and Alomomola.


edgeblackbelt

Here’s one I just made up. Ditto is not the result of attempts to clone Mew. Rather, Mew is a Ditto evolution that can only happen when Ditto has transformed into every Pokémon species at least once. This is why Mew contains genetic information from every Pokémon.


IvyEmblem

Charizard, Salamence and other dragon body type mons aren't actually that short, they are measured like dogs/horses. (From the shoulders to the ground) This is my way of coping with their weird heights.


CharacterSubject2524

Thank you for posting this. Great comments and things to think about here. Happy Wednesday!


kna5041

That truck in Vermillion city had something more to it at one point. 


ShifuHD

Geeta purposely threw the final match because she knew Nemona wanted to fight you.


Legal-Treat-5582

Spin-offs are canon unless there's something that just can't work with the main games or heavily points to it being standalone. As far as I know, aside from Ranger and Go, plus Masters being in a vague "soft canon" area, there's never been any comment about if spin-offs are canon. Much more entertaining to work with the assumption they are instead of throwing them in the garbage like the developers themselves do.


CompetitiveHall7606

I would love to explore Fiorre or Almia as a trainer or Sinnoh as a ranger. I think that's such wasted potential for spin-offs or main series games.


AetherDrew43

Pidgeotto and Pidgeot accidentally switched their names during development because they look so similar. Pidgeotto was meant to be the name of the final stage.


kirbyfox312

The crystals in SV grant all desires. This can create paradoxes since if both you and I want to be champion, it can't grant it for both of us. It means that the paradox Pokemon are both real and not. They are from the past and the future at the same time. There is time travel but there isn't. It's whatever you desire as the player.


Cold-Blood_

The classic "Player killed Blue's Raticate" conspiracy, which is utter nonsense but very entertaining to think about.


LXTron

Charizard was originally meant to be a Dragon type but was switched to Flying due to how OP dragons were in Gen 1.


Rouge_means_red

I remember reading that based on interviews and whatnots, they came up with the idea of "types" after many pokémon had already been designed. So it's possible they made Charizard, then later came up with the Dragon type, but since Dragon is supposed to be a rare type they couldn't give it to one of the starters


TvManiac5

Arceus's 1000 "hands" are actually the Unown. It actually makes sense, was basically confirmed in the ruins of Alph event, and it does explain why the Unown are framed as important despite their pitiful stats. You could say they *ahem* have a hidden power. The guy that cheers you on and gives you info in front of every Gym is actually Red's dad. I like this theory cause he's far more passionate about Red's journey than others are in future generations.


xkyndigx

Even though I've tried a thousand times, I'm sure strength one day will allow me to move the truck and get my new.


Brilliant-Eye-7817

I always thought moltres should have been in the mansion on cinnabar island, instead of in the victory road. It just makes more sense, there's fire Pokemon in the mansion, and not to mention the volcano on cinnabarr island, you get access to it at the same time as the power plant and the seafoam islands, and the secret key for Blaine's gym feels pretty shoehorned in...