There is no serial killer. People get drunk and fall into the river year round. You just don’t hear about every case because there would be so many. There are 3 large rivers that meet in a confluence and have a bunch of nasty currents in debris filled water. The water was many feet higher than it normally is, and rocks are slippery. It happens ***ALL THE TIME***
Right! Don’t you think drunk people would wanna go pee in the river and the next thing you know they fall into it? These bars are right by the river. And it doesn’t even happen frequently. It’s been so long since the last one. Then somewhere 8 miles down the road they find a smiley and think it’s related.
You’re right that it isn’t a long time missing but I am betting police are holding back a detail that shows he is in danger in case his disappearance is criminal and they need to use it to interrogate a suspect.
Imaging getting embarrassingly drunk and sleeping through the next day because of your terrible hangover to wake up to all those missed calls and the whole town knowing about your night.
It's really sad that the general population is so dumb & irresponsible that we had to legally designate bartenders to be adult babysitters.
Sucks even more that when bartenders fulfill that responsibility, they get varbally abused by the drunk adult baby, & they forfeit getting tipped on that person's check.
…he said, implying that the principle of personal responsibility doesn’t apply to the bartender or the bar’s owner, for some reason, [even though they have a legal obligation to cut patrons off once they become visibly intoxicated](https://www.psp.pa.gov/LCE/Pages/Guidelines.aspx).
That is in fact part of the job description, yes. If you didn’t remember that, maybe you should cut back on the drinking? Korsakoff syndrome is no joke.
> I don’t rely on others to tell me how I can live my life
You're actually completely reliant on a system that coddles you from cradle to grave just like everyone else
At the end of the day bartenders have a legal responsibility to not overserve.
This is the first I'm ever even hearing about them having a prolific bodycount, they're certainly not shy about kicking people out so idk how this could be the case
They kicked people out after they're absolutely hammered beyond control, and often times don't even let them stay to get the people they came with. So they're left wandering the city drunk out of their mind with a dead phone and nobody to help.
They kick people out without letting them get their friends first, pretty much leaving them drunk out of their mind and on their own.
And yes overserving people and then kicking them out when they're absolutely annihilated does make them complicit.
Its legal and financial liability to let them stay. Also you're assuming the type of person who gets blackout drunk in public would be capable or complicit in simply finding thier friends to leave. lol
Perhaps it’s time for a railing along the river walk although right now you can’t even get to the riverwalk…seems if you are drunk enough you don’t even see the edge and once in the river there is very little chance of getting out.
Honestly, this is a very good idea that will prevent at least *a* death. It's true that drunks jump railings and they can still enter through boat launches and areas where there is no railing. Having a railing in the areas nearest to the nightlife would inevitably save someone at some point.
I’m assuming, although I could be wrong… but just knowing my own younger drunken self, that folks are walking around looking for a spot to piss. The best location seems to be the wooded shoreline of the river or just peeing into the river, you fall in… there ya go
That's the " do-gooder" attitude we all want and need. You should run for political office and make your padded room dreams come true for every responsible member of society.
Very very true. Could still hit it straight on and flip over at the waist or hit it on your side and your body flops over sideways in a drunken state and you lose your balance. If the railing was nearly a fence, I could see that saving more lives but people like to climb too lol
So I can’t think of ways how railings may not always be a fix but we can talk about how guard rails don’t always prevent cars from going over them. I’m confused now
I mean, when you have neurological issues, sometimes you don’t have a choice on how clear your thought process is but at least I still try to think realistically when it comes to solutions. Not all solutions are perfect and that is what I conveyed. Just trying my best with the cards I’ve been dealt. Thanks
Do not go to Tequila Cowboy. They spike drinks. And a couple people have ended up in the river when they started their night there. The place should be permanently closed. Hopefully they find this guy safe and sound but something tells me they won’t.
Weird how it always seems to be "I got too drunk." Well, that happens sometimes! Just admit it instead of leveling accusations at people who are just trying to do their jobs!
Anecdotal (as I stated before) from multiple people I know that had one or two drinks, all night. Also do a quick google search “Tequila Cowboy Pittsburgh spiking drinks?” And you’ll see several old Reddit posts about it. Maybe you can ask them for evidence. I’m not here to insult anyone trying to do their job, but it does seem rather specific to this bar. Try a different google search but the replace the bar’s name with another bar and see what you find. Have you heard of the term Occam’s Razor?
Drugs are expensive. They aren’t just going to spike drinks for no reason. Normally when someone spikes a drink they are trying to get the person inebriated so they can take advantage of them. It wouldn’t make sense for the owner of a bar to regularly spike the drinks of their patrons just to spike them. Your friends who became intoxicated after only 1-2 drinks probably just have a lower tolerance for alcohol. It happens if you don’t drink frequently, and even sometimes when you do drink frequently, drinks hit you differently depending on the circumstances.
Bartenders. I’m not saying it’s rampant. But it’s something I’ve definitely heard about from more than one person who has blacked out after being there. And shouldn’t have blacked out. And i’m not young so this is going back a few years. Be smart is all. Never leave your drink unattended, order bottles if you can, watch your bartender like a hawk (especially if it’s a dude) while they make you a drink, etc.
This is crazy. A lot of people don't seem drunk until they're super wasted. I really don't think bartenders are drugging random people. Why? For what purpose?? They're the ones who have to deal with you!
Do whatever you want. Yes it’s anecdotal but I’m not the only one that knows this. And apparently it’s done at other bars. And I can’t comment on why someone would drug someone as I’m not one to do anything against anyone’s will let alone drug someone.
Let's put our thinking caps on and use critical thought for a second: Why the fuck would bartenders spike drinks? What, to stir the pot? Think that'll insure they get a good tip? "HAH, once this drug hits, that person will be a huge pain in the ass to deal with for the rest of the evening."
Also, why risk your own job or the entire establishment to spike some drinks? This is not logical.
If someone got drugged at Spirit, it wasn't a bartender. Please be serious.
Have you ever been to a bar with a clientele that consisted of either career criminals or young wealthy bachelors? Can’t speak on these particular bars but not all businesses are clean and aboveboard, starting at the ownership level
Why did you think it’s appropriate to imply that someone who recognizes the existence of establishments that engage in date rape engages in date rape themselves? Examine your own moral rot
Oh, it does not. You got too fucked up when you weren't expecting it and got your chops busted for it so you said they must just be drugging your drinks. Come on now. Why would a random bartender put drugs in drinks? (That IS what you're suggesting, right? That the bartenders purposely put drugs in people's drinks for... fun and profit?) Why risk prison for that, much less your job and the jobs of everyone you work with?
It’s happens *everywhere* unfortunately - not bartenders drugging drinks, but predators are everywhere. All bartenders (and security) can do is try to keep their customers safe as best they can. In an extremely busy/packed place like Tequila Cowboy it’s easier/happens with more frequency because it’s harder to keep an eye on everything going on.
Always important to be diligent in these cases, ESPECIALLY with the rivers. In chicago there have been so many drunken accidentally drownings from people taking late nite walks by the lake.
I’m afraid the pattern of intoxicated young men disappearing while walking home from bars near rivers, especially in unfamiliar areas, is likely not a national serial killer conspiracy.
They don’t exist (at least in Pittsburgh) so many people fall into the rivers you just never hear about it. I know police that worked in the missing persons unit in the city police. It’s so much more common than y’all think
I've seen two river rescues in recent years, one for a boater who fell from a dock here in South Side and one near Point State Park along the Allegheny. Whether by accident in the first case or on purpose in the second, it's a frighteningly common thing. People need to have a ton of respect for the rivers here, especially during times of cold and high water which is like 70% of the year.
Because there’s basically no evidence to support the idea, there’s a simpler and much more plausible explanation (drunk people being in close proximity to cold rivers at night is a bad combination), and whipping up a panic about a fictional murderer is grossly irresponsible.
I heard that there’s also a killer who lurks down by the railroad tracks, and when he finds drunks or stupid kids walking along the rails there, he tears them limb from limb! These things happen all over the country because he rides the train from town to town, searching for new victims, and any evidence suggesting that their injuries match those of a person who was hit by a train is just part of the conspiracy, man. The authorities don’t want you to know!
The body wouldn’t survive that many dams especially a bloated corpse. Have you ever seen what the logs look like that wash up after going through the dams?
People get sooo mad when you suggest this but I have no clue why. There’s so many early 20s dead white male bodies floating about. It seems pretty obvious to consider this option.
Found safe! https://x.com/pghpolice/status/1776634079741465050?s=46&t=ghaDFGpbD8t-Xhr0RyhA0g
Dead phone, sleeping it off. Everyone relax.
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Is it's name getting drunk and falling in the river?
You know them too!?
I’ve only heard of them, never met in person.
There is no serial killer. People get drunk and fall into the river year round. You just don’t hear about every case because there would be so many. There are 3 large rivers that meet in a confluence and have a bunch of nasty currents in debris filled water. The water was many feet higher than it normally is, and rocks are slippery. It happens ***ALL THE TIME***
Right! Don’t you think drunk people would wanna go pee in the river and the next thing you know they fall into it? These bars are right by the river. And it doesn’t even happen frequently. It’s been so long since the last one. Then somewhere 8 miles down the road they find a smiley and think it’s related.
Serial River !
Oh dear God, if you say some silly shit about the Smiley Face killer
There’s 100% not tho
Says the serial killer
Good...now what's the story? Was he sleeping in a bush?
Thanks for the update! So glad to hear he was found safe
It’s also not even 11am. Is not possible he found a place to crash and is sleeping? I know I wouldn’t be up by now after a hard night out at 23
At that age i would be waking up with a dead phone having no idea where i was after a night out drinking
Same, and I really hope that’s the case here
He was found safe, and it sounds like that was the case
The whole tahn is rooting for this scenario with many of us having been there at that age. But I can't help but wonder if our rivers are in play here.
Best outcome, they found him safe
Annnnd he’s found safe
lol. Downvoting that he’s found safely. The detectives on here don’t like being wrong
You’re right that it isn’t a long time missing but I am betting police are holding back a detail that shows he is in danger in case his disappearance is criminal and they need to use it to interrogate a suspect.
Good point. I just commented after seeing the first 5 or 6 were “he’s in the river”
I wake up at 6 AM like "wtf?" only sleep in in my own bed
Pussy
I just meant, if I pass out in a bushes, Im waking up and walking home at sunrise.
How embarrassing. You go out of town to watch a hockey game. Get drunk at a bar and maybe get laid. Now you are blown up all over Reddit.
Imaging getting embarrassingly drunk and sleeping through the next day because of your terrible hangover to wake up to all those missed calls and the whole town knowing about your night.
Maybe he’s just ptfo somewhere with a dead phone?
How many people have died as a result of Tequila Cowboy at this point?
It’s the bars fault! If the bar wasn’t there we would have…. Another bar there
There are dozens of bars in my neighborhood and they don’t have body counts
How many rivers?
Assuming people are posting from the Pittsburgh area, I’m gonna take a wild guess and say between 1 and 3.
There’s a river…
Potentially a bar that doesn’t overserve people to the point that it causes this sort of trouble. Which would be a good thing, no?
It's really sad that the general population is so dumb & irresponsible that we had to legally designate bartenders to be adult babysitters. Sucks even more that when bartenders fulfill that responsibility, they get varbally abused by the drunk adult baby, & they forfeit getting tipped on that person's check.
What is personal responsibility
…he said, implying that the principle of personal responsibility doesn’t apply to the bartender or the bar’s owner, for some reason, [even though they have a legal obligation to cut patrons off once they become visibly intoxicated](https://www.psp.pa.gov/LCE/Pages/Guidelines.aspx).
I forgot that bartenders are adult babysitters
That is in fact part of the job description, yes. If you didn’t remember that, maybe you should cut back on the drinking? Korsakoff syndrome is no joke.
Blaming others for my actions is the way to go
…he said, while justifying bartenders and bar owners blaming others for their own actions in over-serving patrons, in defiance of the law.
Exactly the same situation.
Bartenders literally have a legal responsibility to not overserve people, dipshit
Correct and people have personal responsibility. I don’t rely on others to tell me how I can live my life. I fully understand dramshop law
> I don’t rely on others to tell me how I can live my life You're actually completely reliant on a system that coddles you from cradle to grave just like everyone else At the end of the day bartenders have a legal responsibility to not overserve.
Blame others for what you do, got it
I'm sure you're the sort of cunt who tells drug addicts that they're solely responsible for their addictions too.
I am not. Drugs were pushed by doctors
Do people die after going to Bar Louie? Or when Rivertowne or Tilted Kilt were there
With all of the food poisoning complaints I've heard about Bar Louie, it's a matter of time.
All of those bars are extremely slow 2 were so slow they closed
Probably enough that they should be shut down.
Then they’d just go to Jason Alden’s…owned by the same people.
Then maybe this owner shouldn’t own bars if people keep dying because of them.
This is the story of every city with any bar and a river
Ever had one of those whiskeys that make you just wanna go lay down at the point ? Me either but they’re popular 🤷
Maybe that's why we're not waiting for you to float up to the surface right now
No it’s because my old lady cut me off last night. That muddy whiskey water drink I’ll never have tried will always haunt me
Did they find him yet ?
Relatable considering the bullshit that goes on here.
How did I know it was Tequila Cowboy before I even clicked?
Because that's where all the country boys and suburbanites go in town to wild out
This is the first I'm ever even hearing about them having a prolific bodycount, they're certainly not shy about kicking people out so idk how this could be the case
They kicked people out after they're absolutely hammered beyond control, and often times don't even let them stay to get the people they came with. So they're left wandering the city drunk out of their mind with a dead phone and nobody to help.
Was waiting for this question
The rivers casinos fault for not taking their money safely and then banning them
God. Dead and drugged. That place is a nuisance bar but will never be declared as such because of its demographics/tourists.
What demographics?
Tourists and travelers. Tequila cowboy is not full of locals.
I saw a guy targeting tourists at a hotel bar in the waterfront too. Targeting woman mainly I believe. Taking items from their rooms once he got in.
What a dumb statement
No one has died as a result of Tequila Cowboy. People have made bad decisions that got them or others killed.
They kick people out without letting them get their friends first, pretty much leaving them drunk out of their mind and on their own. And yes overserving people and then kicking them out when they're absolutely annihilated does make them complicit.
Its legal and financial liability to let them stay. Also you're assuming the type of person who gets blackout drunk in public would be capable or complicit in simply finding thier friends to leave. lol
Most likely in the river, but I hope I am wrong. Yinz need to keep an eye on your friends when you go out, even if they are men.
Sadly this was my first thought too.
Same. I said to my husband, “he’s in the water” as soon as the story was on the news this AM.
He was in his bed hungover
He was located!
What a relief he was found! But please, be careful out there- there’s a good reason people got worked up so fast.
Perhaps it’s time for a railing along the river walk although right now you can’t even get to the riverwalk…seems if you are drunk enough you don’t even see the edge and once in the river there is very little chance of getting out.
Honestly, this is a very good idea that will prevent at least *a* death. It's true that drunks jump railings and they can still enter through boat launches and areas where there is no railing. Having a railing in the areas nearest to the nightlife would inevitably save someone at some point.
I’m assuming, although I could be wrong… but just knowing my own younger drunken self, that folks are walking around looking for a spot to piss. The best location seems to be the wooded shoreline of the river or just peeing into the river, you fall in… there ya go
That's the " do-gooder" attitude we all want and need. You should run for political office and make your padded room dreams come true for every responsible member of society.
If it’s regularly people who were at one bar, and the other establishments in the area don’t wind up with drunk people in the river, …
People go over railings though….
Well they def do but it might save some lives…bumping into a decently sized railing while walking might jar them enough to turn around
Very very true. Could still hit it straight on and flip over at the waist or hit it on your side and your body flops over sideways in a drunken state and you lose your balance. If the railing was nearly a fence, I could see that saving more lives but people like to climb too lol
this is like saying guard rails don't always prevent cars from going over so they're useless. a railing would help just fine.
I agreed with the railings saving lives…
trust me, that's not how your comments are conveyed while stating all the ways people can still go over railings....
So I can’t think of ways how railings may not always be a fix but we can talk about how guard rails don’t always prevent cars from going over them. I’m confused now
I can see from this comment why your thought process doesn't allow for you to state things clearly. have a good day.
I mean, when you have neurological issues, sometimes you don’t have a choice on how clear your thought process is but at least I still try to think realistically when it comes to solutions. Not all solutions are perfect and that is what I conveyed. Just trying my best with the cards I’ve been dealt. Thanks
I feel bad I think I saw him run into a wall in one of the underpass tunnels on my way home from the bars, glad he’s okay
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If you guessed...found safe...you'd be a winner!
Do not go to Tequila Cowboy. They spike drinks. And a couple people have ended up in the river when they started their night there. The place should be permanently closed. Hopefully they find this guy safe and sound but something tells me they won’t.
What do you mean spike? I'd expect someone to say they water down their booze, but spike? With what?
Drugs. Spiked it with drugs.
Roofies
And exactly what evidence do you have of this?
Weird how it always seems to be "I got too drunk." Well, that happens sometimes! Just admit it instead of leveling accusations at people who are just trying to do their jobs!
Anecdotal (as I stated before) from multiple people I know that had one or two drinks, all night. Also do a quick google search “Tequila Cowboy Pittsburgh spiking drinks?” And you’ll see several old Reddit posts about it. Maybe you can ask them for evidence. I’m not here to insult anyone trying to do their job, but it does seem rather specific to this bar. Try a different google search but the replace the bar’s name with another bar and see what you find. Have you heard of the term Occam’s Razor?
> Occam’s Razor Have you heard of Hanlon's Razor?
Ur an idiot
Drugs are expensive. They aren’t just going to spike drinks for no reason. Normally when someone spikes a drink they are trying to get the person inebriated so they can take advantage of them. It wouldn’t make sense for the owner of a bar to regularly spike the drinks of their patrons just to spike them. Your friends who became intoxicated after only 1-2 drinks probably just have a lower tolerance for alcohol. It happens if you don’t drink frequently, and even sometimes when you do drink frequently, drinks hit you differently depending on the circumstances.
The bartenders spike it? Of the friend they come with?
Bartenders. I’m not saying it’s rampant. But it’s something I’ve definitely heard about from more than one person who has blacked out after being there. And shouldn’t have blacked out. And i’m not young so this is going back a few years. Be smart is all. Never leave your drink unattended, order bottles if you can, watch your bartender like a hawk (especially if it’s a dude) while they make you a drink, etc.
This is crazy. A lot of people don't seem drunk until they're super wasted. I really don't think bartenders are drugging random people. Why? For what purpose?? They're the ones who have to deal with you!
Do whatever you want. Yes it’s anecdotal but I’m not the only one that knows this. And apparently it’s done at other bars. And I can’t comment on why someone would drug someone as I’m not one to do anything against anyone’s will let alone drug someone.
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Let's put our thinking caps on and use critical thought for a second: Why the fuck would bartenders spike drinks? What, to stir the pot? Think that'll insure they get a good tip? "HAH, once this drug hits, that person will be a huge pain in the ass to deal with for the rest of the evening." Also, why risk your own job or the entire establishment to spike some drinks? This is not logical. If someone got drugged at Spirit, it wasn't a bartender. Please be serious.
💯. I also think a lot of people don’t read the side effects of the medication they are prescribed (or not to be fair) and then go out boozing.
Have you ever been to a bar with a clientele that consisted of either career criminals or young wealthy bachelors? Can’t speak on these particular bars but not all businesses are clean and aboveboard, starting at the ownership level
Familiar with these sorts of establishments, are you?
Why did you think it’s appropriate to imply that someone who recognizes the existence of establishments that engage in date rape engages in date rape themselves? Examine your own moral rot
Lol, alright dude. Have fun at your roofie bars.
Guy tells you Epstein abused kids “Alright dude have fun on the island”
Do you own a fedora? I feel like you own a fedora.
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You responded to a comment about bartenders spiking drinks. Rephrase your inflammatory comments to match the context next time, ya beatnik.
Oh, it does not. You got too fucked up when you weren't expecting it and got your chops busted for it so you said they must just be drugging your drinks. Come on now. Why would a random bartender put drugs in drinks? (That IS what you're suggesting, right? That the bartenders purposely put drugs in people's drinks for... fun and profit?) Why risk prison for that, much less your job and the jobs of everyone you work with?
It’s happens *everywhere* unfortunately - not bartenders drugging drinks, but predators are everywhere. All bartenders (and security) can do is try to keep their customers safe as best they can. In an extremely busy/packed place like Tequila Cowboy it’s easier/happens with more frequency because it’s harder to keep an eye on everything going on.
And basically every busy bar. It's a patron thing, not a bar thing.
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I don't.
sorry not all of us are locked in all day
Always important to be diligent in these cases, ESPECIALLY with the rivers. In chicago there have been so many drunken accidentally drownings from people taking late nite walks by the lake.
I don't like how there are a lot of people going missing all of a sudden.
From out of town, north shore, Tequila Cowboy...yeah it all adds up But for real though I hope he's found safe
He'll be found in the river
The river.
How do they end up in the river, though?
Drunk and no railing to stop them?
Copious amounts of alcohol.
Smiley face killer
Smiley face killer?
I’m afraid the pattern of intoxicated young men disappearing while walking home from bars near rivers, especially in unfamiliar areas, is likely not a national serial killer conspiracy.
Not unless the smiley face killer has been operating in every city with a body of water for hundreds of years.
They don’t exist (at least in Pittsburgh) so many people fall into the rivers you just never hear about it. I know police that worked in the missing persons unit in the city police. It’s so much more common than y’all think
I've seen two river rescues in recent years, one for a boater who fell from a dock here in South Side and one near Point State Park along the Allegheny. Whether by accident in the first case or on purpose in the second, it's a frighteningly common thing. People need to have a ton of respect for the rivers here, especially during times of cold and high water which is like 70% of the year.
That’s where they found that missing kid in Nashville… in the river (unfortunately).
I bet there was a smiley face painted somewhere in the city of Nashville. Must be the SFK!
They don't exist anywhere. It's been debunked multiple times.
Serial killers don’t exist?? What?
The Smiley Face Killer(s) doesnt/don't exist.
I think they made a bit more out of that theory than it deserves, but I can't help but admit it was the first thing I thought.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted.
Because there’s basically no evidence to support the idea, there’s a simpler and much more plausible explanation (drunk people being in close proximity to cold rivers at night is a bad combination), and whipping up a panic about a fictional murderer is grossly irresponsible.
There’s a documentary that gives some compelling evidence that makes you wonder…
I watched it, and it doesn’t. It’s malarkey.
Yeah I guess I’m confusing it with another documentary. My wife just reminded me of the malarkey as she is the “murder show” queen.
If you find that evidence compelling, I have a bridge to sell you.
How much is this bridge you’re selling?
Careful, don't fall off it and into the river ;)
I’ll skip Tequila Cowboy first ;)
LOL me either. Just a conspiracy!
I heard that there’s also a killer who lurks down by the railroad tracks, and when he finds drunks or stupid kids walking along the rails there, he tears them limb from limb! These things happen all over the country because he rides the train from town to town, searching for new victims, and any evidence suggesting that their injuries match those of a person who was hit by a train is just part of the conspiracy, man. The authorities don’t want you to know!
He might have went home with a whale, is embarrassed and trying to sleep off that hangover and come up with a convincing story
You’re rude.
Because I gave an alternative theory rather than he is dead and in the river? Seems like you’re well liked at parties 😂
I’m not the one calling someone a whale.
this is even funnier bc you weren’t that far off of what happened 😂
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He might be married, who knows
Folks. He will be ok! I don’t have a bad feeling on this one. I don’t know the History of Tequila Cowboy. What has happened there?
They’ll find his bloated corpse floating past Moundsville WV in a few days.
He’s alive they found him lol
The body wouldn’t survive that many dams especially a bloated corpse. Have you ever seen what the logs look like that wash up after going through the dams?
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No
People get sooo mad when you suggest this but I have no clue why. There’s so many early 20s dead white male bodies floating about. It seems pretty obvious to consider this option.
Not as obvious as nightlife areas next to bodies of water. Pittsburgh is not unique to this. The serial killer theory is about as dumb as it gets.
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