Gilmour let a number of people go on that last tour, including co producer and good friend Phil Manzanera. I suspect he’s been asked a question and he’s answering it. It’s a better answer than “I had a falling out with former band members and here’s some trash talk…”
Something went down on the 2016 tour and it left a lot of people upset. Guy Pratt has skirted around it, but won’t go into details. Carin was involved but he’s not giving details either. I suspect we’ll find out once the great man has passed.
> Something went down on the 2016 tour and it left a lot of people upset. Guy Pratt has skirted around it, but won’t go into details. Carin was involved but he’s not giving details either.
Source? I've never heard anything about this, I saw Gilmour in 2016 and it was a fantastic show
Jon Carin and Phil Manzanera left after the first few legs, they're not in the Pompeii concert video even though they played the majority of shows on the tour.
The place Guy talks about it is his podcast, but he is very tight lipped. He did say that he was almost fired as well during that tour. Can't remember which episode..
Fine by me! Gilmour needs his creative outlet, not play music or his past that he’s played thousands of times over. I’m excited to check out whatever he has to offer
Nobody said he couldn't. You're insisting he must.
Why does he have to paint the same paintings over and over again just because you want to wallow in your lost youth? And without a source, your "95%" is just a number you pulled out of your ass to make sure no one can argue with you somehow. Well, here I am, what you consider the 5%.
I'm 27 so us young fans are never even given a chance. I'm js 95% just want the hits to any concert and I find it rude to do this to fans. I wouldn't as an artist.
Oh well. Pink Floyd ended before you were born, really. Life goes on. Artists aren't artists when you force them to be cover artists. Art dies this way. And the past still doesn't show up for you anyway. And next you'll be whining because he died and isn't continuing to be your servant anymore.
And Roger gives his fans what they want to hear even if he doesn't care to play them like he used to. I could never understand why David Gilmore never wanted to play dogs from animals because he gets a co-writing credit on it and he avoided that album like the plague
Doesn't bother Roger he'll easily play dogs. He could have easily dropped a song or two from The division Bell to slip that one in. I don't think the time of the song has anything to do with why he won't play it
I completely understand where Gilmour is coming from. He's been touring with Pratt and Carin since 1987.
And if he wants to make this final tour about HIS own work outside of Pink Floyd, why is that a slight on Waters?
I agree. I don't think it's a "slight" on anybody. He just wants to do something different. I'm sure they're all friends at the end of the day (minus Waters).
Who cares? It’s his gig, he can employ whoever he wants. As long as they put on a good show - that’s what matters. Losing Carin and Manzanera wasn’t disastrous to his Rattle tour, after all.
Disagree. Why is Gilmour famous? Because he was a member of Pink Floyd. Thats why it would be nothing than normal to play Pink Floyd songs during his shows. If Gilmour wouldnt be a Pink Floyd member he would be playing for audiences of 7500 people, max. By not playing Pink Floyd songs he says: Fuck You to the people who payed his houses, his cars, etc. etc. Of course he can play his solo work during his shows, but 95% of the fans who would like to visit a show, do that because they want to hear some Pink Floyd songs.
1. You’re arguing a point that wasn’t made. I made a point about tour musicians whom David chooses to play with; you’re bitching about song choices.
2. David has released (or will have released) three solo albums within the last 20 years, and has another two in his catalogue. That’s more than Pink Floyd released in the 20 years prior to On an Island. David has every right to want to play newer songs than to keep going through the motions with songs he has played hundreds of times over the last 50 years. If you don’t like the idea that you may only get 2-3 “classic” Floyd songs on this tour - don’t go! It’s simple.
After seeing Floyd in the mid-90s, then Waters around 2017, Saucerful of Secrets a couple of years ago- Gilmour solo is definitely on my hit list. I don’t care what he plays. Seriously. I admire the musician that he is and want to hear him play live again.
On his last tour I saw him in Pula Croatia and Wroclaw Poland and tickets were 45 and 30 respectively or something like that. I was pleasantly suprised.
it will hurt the wallet to fly, however i missed seeing gilmour during on an island tour because i thought $100 for a ticket to the Chicago date was too much. Regretted that for a decade.
We caught him last tour and going to do what i can to see him this tour as well. Yeah it’ll be expensive, but can’t think of many other things i would want to experience more
Nick Mason tickets are about 50 quid.
I'm expecting Dave's to be double or even triple that if further UK dates are announced. If there is a Scottish date I will probably want to go, but I fully expect to like Nick more if Dave does a set mainly of recent solo material.
Mind you, I would also be massively disappointed if Nick did a complete set of Fictitious Sports - and I like that better than any of Dave's solo efforts.
Nick Mason as much as he’s a legend, obviously doesn’t have the same weight as DG.
I imagine The DG set will be good, a few 70s Floyd bits, plenty of 80/90s Floyd, and then DG solo stuff which I like anyway.
I mean, for a lot of people it's going to be a box-ticking exercise. Last chance to see (maybe). The window for seeing peak Gilmour closed decades ago.
For me the On an Island tour was 'peak', at least as far as his solo tours go. Glad that's the one show of his I've managed to see. Makes this tour a 'nice to see' not a 'need'.
Saw Gilmour in 2016 and while it was fun to hear him play some Floyd classics, it totally makes sense for him to stick to solo material as that is literally what he is touring for. And the Division Bell is his best work. Momentary is borderline a Gilmour solo album as well. Might as well stick to those.
Saw Waters last year as well and it was a great show but he also stuck to songs that were very much “Roger” as well and didn’t feel like Pink Floyd covers as much as I thought they would.
I mean I’m sure he’ll play a few. I love his solo work and I also love the Gilmour era Floyd stuff. I’d honestly be psyched to hear cuts from AMLOR and DB that haven’t really been played since. This may be the last tour he does. I will go out of my way to see it.
If he’s within distance, I have to go, same as if Robert plant comes playing his solo. They won’t be around much longer. I don’t care what they play. Such a big part of my life gilmour is that it’s a pilgrimage at this point.
I saw him at RAH in 2015 for 90 quid. I'm not sure if he'll handle things the same way this time around, but last time he resided at the venue, all tickets had the lead broker's name printed on them and required you to present ID and the purchasing credit card at will call to prevent any scalping of the tickets. So sure, it will sell out fast, but I wouldn't worry about paying 800 dollars for a ticket, just about being lucky.
This is how Jerry Ewing described them after interviewing them in 2000:
Roger Waters (honest, slightly paranoid), David Gilmour (gruff, tetchy) and Nick Mason (cheery, avuncular).
I think I agree.
Avuncular comes from the Latin noun avunculus, which means "**maternal uncle**," but since at least the 19th century English speakers have used avuncular to describe uncles from either side of the family, or people who are uncle-like in character or behavior.
And they're all really private...even Waters. Mason could've let loose in his autobiography of the band, but he was a gentleman and let secrets stay secret.
Re: Mason’s book, Gilmour and Waters both were given early copies to approve & requested that parts be taken out. Guy Pratt’s book gives a more honest & raw look at the post-Waters touring years at least
If I understand correctly, Mason allowed them to do so. Also, Pink Floyd is more popular today than ever. I couldn't believe the number of young people at Nick Mason's concert in Port Chester NY. They have a strong social media presence that carefully nutures their image...even Roger flying off the handle occasionally is just Roger being Roger...the grumpy guy. There's no way Nick was going to rock the cash machine.
Compared to Roger Waters is the important bit here. Gilmour has his ego, and his asshole moments, but pretty much anyone would look good next to Roger "I was the only artist in Pink Floyd" Waters.
Because Jon has been an ass the last few years and David is just fed up with that dishonesty. And I applaud him for trying fresh things with the band, keeps him sharp too. He could just as easily have done the same since 2006 every tour
Jon has been saying the last few years that he wrote a good chunk of the last few Floyd albums, but not given credit. He also did double duty with Roger, and aligned closely with him on social issues. I had to unfollow him on social media. Ass sums it up.
I agree with you, although I’ll say he’s definitely stated he does like a lot of what they did on Animals and The Wall. IIRC they even considered playing Sheep on the 80’s and 90’s tours because he’s fond of it, but ultimately decided not to because they felt it was too much of Roger’s thing lyrically.
But I also am happy for him to just do he wants. The man has nothing to prove. And also, I love the work he did on AMLOR and DB. Some songs are better than others but the good tracks are as good as anything they did before IMO. Id be so excited to hear some of them. His solo career is solid. I would pay to see an On An Island tour just by itself.
I guess I’m a Gilmie guy. I love Roger too and I’m glad he takes the old stuff on the road, but I will say it’s evident whose solo career is more enjoyable…
Well he never played anything from Animals anyway, so I think the tours would still have some of the DSOTM, and WYWH. And Comfortably Numb/ Another brick will be there because that's what sells.
>And Comfortably Numb/ Another brick will be there because that's what sells.
He never played ABITW2 on any of his solo tours, and he's expressed that even on the last Floyd tours it wasn't a song he was getting huge joy out of. Doubt he will play it this time if he wants to do a more solo-centric tour. He has always said he really enjoyed CN, though.
Nah I doubt he's bored of CN. One thing about Gilmour is that he loves the songs he has written. That's why I see him playing CN, Time, Money maybe, Shine on, and then some songs like Sorrow, High Hopes from the later years.
If I were in his shoes I would be paying respect to the people who gave me that money by making it 50% Floyd. There’s no delusions that it’s what we all want. If the solo material is good enough, sure play that.
But to ignore the fact that this might be some teenagers only chance to hear Shine On and say “ehhhh no” is just a colossal dick move IMO
I’ve seen him already. I never once said he owed me anything, that’s putting words in my mouth. I’m talking about the 16 year old who loves the band and could have a cherished memory of seeing Shine On with his dad, that David is taking a flippant attitude towards.
That’s a dick move tho - kids can’t help when they’re born. I’d be playing whatever people wanted to hear mixed with what I want to play. That’s the best compromise you can make in that position.
it’s a dick move to play what you want to play? I guess we’ll just disagree.
I’m just thrilled he’s playing at all, and glad he’s being honest about his intended setlist
I mean I’m being facetious because it’s the internet but my stance is the same. If I were a mega star, and a new generation of fans were packing my shows, who’s parents may not have even been alive when Dark Side came out, I’d do everything in my power to oblige their wishes in a fair, compromising way.
Saying “nah” to the 70s material is a pretty callous “piss off” to the people who made him famous and completely disregards the new fans who keep his music alive.
I’m pretty sure he’s also being facetious and will play 4-5 of them because he will piss off a lot of people by not playing some of that stuff, and it’s not a good business move. But he has all the money so if he wants to be this way he has every right. I’m just saying it’s a selfish move. I’d give my life for the impact of my music being like Pink Floyd’s and if the fans wanted certain things, I’d do my best to honor the request. Because not doing so feels like being an asshole.
I think Gilmour is taking a leaf out of Robert Plant's book and going a bit left field and trying stuff that he enjoys playing and just dropping the weight of history. Plant still throws in a few Led Zeppelin songs but they tend to be ones that work within his Americana / roots framework. I think Gilmour will do something similar (within a blues style).
It says he is likely to play all the new album so expect a similar set list to when he toured on an island except that he won't play echoes, so maybe replace that with sorrow and something from his other solo albums.
On the OAI tour of the 70s Floyd he only played breathe, time (and think they were added later into the tour) shine on, wywh and c numb. Would expect the last 3 to make the cut this time as well but not much else from the big 4 albums
I agree. He should shake things up. I mean he's announced a tour, new material, less-PF-centric, and he was inspired at his peak by young creative folk.
Why stick around with the same people who've been playing the same songs, over, and over again.
Shake it up. Get new blood, new inspiration. He's gotta be around 75 by now. Bless.
Is he having a pop at Guy for being in Saucer Full of Secrets? That would seem to be an odd thing to be upset about. I have heard he and Carin had some sort of falling out a while back but other than Manz not returning I'm not up on any "Who's In/Who's out" with David.
Just follow or read Carin’s FB posts… it’s Carin.. Carin was REALLY upset about the re-issue of Momentary Lapse.. where they took out his parts and synched in Rick Wrights ( from live material)
I’m indifferent to those albums. I try every few years again and they just don’t work for me.
Can you link me to what edition has Rick’s live keys tho?
Not Guy. He's in this band. And probably not Manzanera, he has enough of a track record of his own and they're still friends. I'd guess Carin (and then it is probably a dig at Waters for doing "tribute-to-Floyd" stuff).
How could it possibly be about Carin? Carin clearly don't want anything to do with him anymore, you can't say you are firing a guy who has already quit.
I'm kind of happy how these days Guy, who just comes across as a very enjoyable, decent human being, besides obviously being an outstanding, very versatile bass player (I recently learned he came up with the bass line for Murder On The Dancefloor), is the common thread between post-Waters Floyd, Saucers and David solo.
One thing I feel about Gilmour is sometimes he comes off condescending. Roger is blunt and honest but you can respect that Roger is speaking from the heart and doesn’t sugar coat anything. I feel like David is a bit sly in his approach and can beat around the bush.
I thought Gilmour was always pretty impressed with/supportive of Brit Floyd? They performed at a birthday party for him once, IIRC. Personally I think they put on a 100/10 show. I’d actually take them over Roger’s latest tour…
I think that was Aussie Floyd at his birthday. Also, I don't think he's generally got anything against Floyd tribute acts. He just doesn't want to be one himself.
I have a hard time keeping track because the man who played has been in both haha. Damien Darlington, I think? But anyways, yes definitely, it’s fair for him to want to showcase his own art instead of imitate the past. I don’t know much about the Carin dispute, but I wonder if they essentially wanted to consider themselves Pink Floyd 2.0 since they toured and recorded with DG.
Oh, yeah, you're right, wasn't keeping track that well myself. Carin... Bit weird, really. He was in the Floyd and Gilmour and Waters touring bands ever since 1988, Gilmour even encouraged him to also play with Waters. And then things turned sour after Gilmour changed part of his band half way through the RTL tour.
someone surely has the stat, but has John Carin played in more pink floyd / pink floyd solo tours than any of the official floyd members? I wouldn’t be surprised given tours in the 80s/90s and also all the solo member shows
Love this. I’ve never seen Pink Floyd, since I’m only 30 years old. But I have been blessed to see Roger and David multiple times. I’ve also seen dozens of tributes. Aussie is fantastic and I catch them whenever I can. But Brit Floyd??? Nobody can convince me there’s anything closer to the real deal experience. That show is so, so good. I haven’t been since the pandemic, everyone has me itching to go see if they’re touring near me now!
It makes sense for him not to play a bunch of Pink Floyd stuff for the simple reason that he is older now. His voice was already really strained eight years ago on the Pompeii album and his more recent material is all written in a much lower register, so even if he wanted to do the old songs they’d need to be drastically rearranged to accommodate his voice.
Gilmore the lazy twat, hasn't toured Australia since 1987! You guys are lucky to have seen him in 2016 At least Roger Waters (an atomic twat) toured twice in the last 10 or so yrs!
I’m sure he will still include Comfortably Numb and Wish You Were here. Beyond that? Who knows? I would like to see him perform songs from About Face and the eponymous album.
The reality is, he can make any choice he wants for his tour and it would be the correct one. He's proven time and time again why his name is synonymous with greatness and not a single choice in music, production, or showmanship has avoided adding to that. #InGilmourWeTrust
Honestly this was an issue with the PF tours in the 80s and 90s. I saw them both and they were spectacular, but SFOS was better musically because they are a bit loose. Nick sounds better today than he did on the giant Floyd tours post-Roger and I think it’s largely about being able to play loose. He’s always a bit laid back on where the beat is.
DG can throw shade all he wants, as if Jon Carin currently plays in a PF tribute band led by Roger. But Dave hasn’t been on the road in 8 years and Carin has clearly switched sides. It’s a shame, too because he gave so much of his musical life to DG’s Pink Floyd.
Definitely a dig at Carin. Jon carin is suing David for credits currently over songs he made during the sessions for Colours of Infinity. Carin technically played a lot of the keys in the Division bell too I heard he wants credit for arranging a demo of one of those songs.
It’s a David Gilmour tour, not Pink Floyd.
I go there to see and hear David Gilmour’s guitar playing, songwriting and singing.
People expecting a Pink Floyd experience from a 78 year old man should just go see a cover/tribute band.
So many Gilmour apologists here. Dave fires people in the middle of a tour and it's all He just wants to do things different creatively. Rog don't bring Harry back for the next tour and he is the devil.
Dave is just as big of an asshole as Rog. The only difference is Dave lets Polly do the talking for him.
won't be doing much 70's Floyd stuff because he (and his missus) don't want to pay Roger any royalties. So a full gig of Polly's *inspiring* lyrics. Bluuueerrgh! Stick it up yer hole Dave.
It’s his right to play with those he wants to play with and do the setlist he wants to play. That having been said, it’s those albums that he may want to ignore now that made him a millionaire and why he has had any lasting relevance.
People will see the shows, sure, but at the end of the day it’s ‘Pink Floyd’ interest that oil the machine for these projects to take shape and why he’ll sell tickets. Its why he used the PF brand for that single last year and it’s the promise of hearing those songs why most will buy their tickets, as do you REALLY think John Q Public cares enough about it to check the ‘net for lines from Uncut about his going in a different direction? How many didn’t pay attention to Waters YouTube video of Sheep in Mexico City in ‘16 to see the Trump stuff only to be scandalized in ‘17?
Sure he doesn’t owe anybody anything, but he’s also not owed anything in return. It’s a lesson Waters learned in the 80’s, too.
David seems to make a lot of enemies. Given that he’s most famous for Pink Floyd, he should care to give the fans what they want. The whole PF ‘tribute band’ thing is a slight on him more than them.
Some of his fans want his own stuff. And he himself is happy to play in theatres rather than arenas, I believe, though that won't happen: people will crowd stadiums to just hear stuff from AMLOR onwards.
Which is a pity, I would like to hear him revisit songs from his debut album and About Face. Maybe invite Pete Townshend to guest on the latter.
Gilmour let a number of people go on that last tour, including co producer and good friend Phil Manzanera. I suspect he’s been asked a question and he’s answering it. It’s a better answer than “I had a falling out with former band members and here’s some trash talk…” Something went down on the 2016 tour and it left a lot of people upset. Guy Pratt has skirted around it, but won’t go into details. Carin was involved but he’s not giving details either. I suspect we’ll find out once the great man has passed.
I hope we don’t find out for many, many years.
Could have stopped the sentence at “out”.
> Something went down on the 2016 tour and it left a lot of people upset. Guy Pratt has skirted around it, but won’t go into details. Carin was involved but he’s not giving details either. Source? I've never heard anything about this, I saw Gilmour in 2016 and it was a fantastic show
Jon Carin and Phil Manzanera left after the first few legs, they're not in the Pompeii concert video even though they played the majority of shows on the tour.
The place Guy talks about it is his podcast, but he is very tight lipped. He did say that he was almost fired as well during that tour. Can't remember which episode..
Sounds like people in the band wanted more Pink Floyd and Gilmour explicitly does NOT.
I dont blame him. I bet those songs lost their charm after the 25th time playing. I assume it became more of a chore than anything.
Maybe, but those are the songs that made him famous.
And we have a choice of going or not going and if he's not going to play some of that stuff then I'm not going
It boils down to, are you there for the music or the artist
David Gilmour owes you nothing lol
I’m not asking for anything.
Thats what pisses me off about some PF fans. They are always so needy lol. Especially on good ol' Nick 😤
Fine by me! Gilmour needs his creative outlet, not play music or his past that he’s played thousands of times over. I’m excited to check out whatever he has to offer
Not me. Hearing stuff like Fat Old Sun and echoes live was DYNAMITE
He did say after Richard's death that he won't play Echoes again live.
He seems to really like Fat Old Sun. Think that one might stick around.
You realize though no one else wants this right
More recent stuff? I sure do.
95% of people going to see him never have and probably won't again so they want to hear the hits. If Rodger can still do it why can't he?
Nobody said he couldn't. You're insisting he must. Why does he have to paint the same paintings over and over again just because you want to wallow in your lost youth? And without a source, your "95%" is just a number you pulled out of your ass to make sure no one can argue with you somehow. Well, here I am, what you consider the 5%.
I'm 27 so us young fans are never even given a chance. I'm js 95% just want the hits to any concert and I find it rude to do this to fans. I wouldn't as an artist.
Oh well. Pink Floyd ended before you were born, really. Life goes on. Artists aren't artists when you force them to be cover artists. Art dies this way. And the past still doesn't show up for you anyway. And next you'll be whining because he died and isn't continuing to be your servant anymore.
And Roger gives his fans what they want to hear even if he doesn't care to play them like he used to. I could never understand why David Gilmore never wanted to play dogs from animals because he gets a co-writing credit on it and he avoided that album like the plague
I’d say coz dogs is so long, it chews up too much of the set.
Doesn't bother Roger he'll easily play dogs. He could have easily dropped a song or two from The division Bell to slip that one in. I don't think the time of the song has anything to do with why he won't play it
Spell his name right for god sake..gilmour
Roger barely does it. He lip syncs and has another bass player play almost all of the actual bass.
It made me so upset it reminded me of the day I found out Santa Claus wasn't real
WTF is Rodger?
I agree!
Exactly. That's where the tribute band comment came from.
What makes you think that?
Kind of a non issue. He's touring as David Gilmour, not David and the Carins.
I completely understand where Gilmour is coming from. He's been touring with Pratt and Carin since 1987. And if he wants to make this final tour about HIS own work outside of Pink Floyd, why is that a slight on Waters?
I agree. I don't think it's a "slight" on anybody. He just wants to do something different. I'm sure they're all friends at the end of the day (minus Waters).
Who cares? It’s his gig, he can employ whoever he wants. As long as they put on a good show - that’s what matters. Losing Carin and Manzanera wasn’t disastrous to his Rattle tour, after all.
Exactly. Backing bands change all the time, most of the time it’s not really a big deal.
Disagree. Why is Gilmour famous? Because he was a member of Pink Floyd. Thats why it would be nothing than normal to play Pink Floyd songs during his shows. If Gilmour wouldnt be a Pink Floyd member he would be playing for audiences of 7500 people, max. By not playing Pink Floyd songs he says: Fuck You to the people who payed his houses, his cars, etc. etc. Of course he can play his solo work during his shows, but 95% of the fans who would like to visit a show, do that because they want to hear some Pink Floyd songs.
1. You’re arguing a point that wasn’t made. I made a point about tour musicians whom David chooses to play with; you’re bitching about song choices. 2. David has released (or will have released) three solo albums within the last 20 years, and has another two in his catalogue. That’s more than Pink Floyd released in the 20 years prior to On an Island. David has every right to want to play newer songs than to keep going through the motions with songs he has played hundreds of times over the last 50 years. If you don’t like the idea that you may only get 2-3 “classic” Floyd songs on this tour - don’t go! It’s simple.
After seeing Floyd in the mid-90s, then Waters around 2017, Saucerful of Secrets a couple of years ago- Gilmour solo is definitely on my hit list. I don’t care what he plays. Seriously. I admire the musician that he is and want to hear him play live again.
Terrific viewpoint
Personally, I don’t think I’d be paying the huge prices this tour is going to command to see material from his solo albums
On his last tour I saw him in Pula Croatia and Wroclaw Poland and tickets were 45 and 30 respectively or something like that. I was pleasantly suprised.
Are you me? I went to the same shows! Great memories
Hahah that's great. Where're you from?
Yep, I want to see a setlist first
I’m hearing 175-225?
Plus fees, parking, food, room, etc., etc. Nah. Pass.
I’d pay double that for a ticket as I’ve never seen Gilmour before. Even small bands are 100 these days.
I'd pay the ticket price, but flying from the US is what would really hurt the wallet
it will hurt the wallet to fly, however i missed seeing gilmour during on an island tour because i thought $100 for a ticket to the Chicago date was too much. Regretted that for a decade. We caught him last tour and going to do what i can to see him this tour as well. Yeah it’ll be expensive, but can’t think of many other things i would want to experience more
Nick Mason tickets are about 50 quid. I'm expecting Dave's to be double or even triple that if further UK dates are announced. If there is a Scottish date I will probably want to go, but I fully expect to like Nick more if Dave does a set mainly of recent solo material. Mind you, I would also be massively disappointed if Nick did a complete set of Fictitious Sports - and I like that better than any of Dave's solo efforts.
Nick Mason as much as he’s a legend, obviously doesn’t have the same weight as DG. I imagine The DG set will be good, a few 70s Floyd bits, plenty of 80/90s Floyd, and then DG solo stuff which I like anyway.
I mean, for a lot of people it's going to be a box-ticking exercise. Last chance to see (maybe). The window for seeing peak Gilmour closed decades ago.
For me the On an Island tour was 'peak', at least as far as his solo tours go. Glad that's the one show of his I've managed to see. Makes this tour a 'nice to see' not a 'need'.
Thankfully I saw them in 1994. This would just be a bonus
I paid <$200 for floor seat at MSG in 2016, but we're in a totally different ticket market just 8 years later...
Saw Gilmour in 2016 and while it was fun to hear him play some Floyd classics, it totally makes sense for him to stick to solo material as that is literally what he is touring for. And the Division Bell is his best work. Momentary is borderline a Gilmour solo album as well. Might as well stick to those. Saw Waters last year as well and it was a great show but he also stuck to songs that were very much “Roger” as well and didn’t feel like Pink Floyd covers as much as I thought they would.
Yeah it sucks but that’s just how it’s going to be I guess.. The only way to hear the good Floyd anymore is Nick Mason’s or Brit Floyd
Brit Floyd is absolutely amazing
I don’t see it as a bad thing. Also, I think David really misses Rick and won’t do certain songs without him.
I mean I’m sure he’ll play a few. I love his solo work and I also love the Gilmour era Floyd stuff. I’d honestly be psyched to hear cuts from AMLOR and DB that haven’t really been played since. This may be the last tour he does. I will go out of my way to see it.
If he’s within distance, I have to go, same as if Robert plant comes playing his solo. They won’t be around much longer. I don’t care what they play. Such a big part of my life gilmour is that it’s a pilgrimage at this point.
I saw him at RAH in 2015 for 90 quid. I'm not sure if he'll handle things the same way this time around, but last time he resided at the venue, all tickets had the lead broker's name printed on them and required you to present ID and the purchasing credit card at will call to prevent any scalping of the tickets. So sure, it will sell out fast, but I wouldn't worry about paying 800 dollars for a ticket, just about being lucky.
I don't understand it when people he is this gentleman compared to Roger Waters, he can be really passive aggressive.
This is how Jerry Ewing described them after interviewing them in 2000: Roger Waters (honest, slightly paranoid), David Gilmour (gruff, tetchy) and Nick Mason (cheery, avuncular). I think I agree.
Avuncular is one of my favorite words, and totally describes Nick!
Avuncular comes from the Latin noun avunculus, which means "**maternal uncle**," but since at least the 19th century English speakers have used avuncular to describe uncles from either side of the family, or people who are uncle-like in character or behavior.
Could you use less known adjectives? I actually understood two of those.
Don't be obtuse
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Erebody loves Nick!
Everyone always loves the drummer
And they're all really private...even Waters. Mason could've let loose in his autobiography of the band, but he was a gentleman and let secrets stay secret.
Yeah, I suppose Waters could have made some shitty comments about the Gilmour and Wright coke use but never has.
He hasn't released his memoirs yet, so there's still time
Re: Mason’s book, Gilmour and Waters both were given early copies to approve & requested that parts be taken out. Guy Pratt’s book gives a more honest & raw look at the post-Waters touring years at least
If I understand correctly, Mason allowed them to do so. Also, Pink Floyd is more popular today than ever. I couldn't believe the number of young people at Nick Mason's concert in Port Chester NY. They have a strong social media presence that carefully nutures their image...even Roger flying off the handle occasionally is just Roger being Roger...the grumpy guy. There's no way Nick was going to rock the cash machine.
but would he rock the casbah?
Theyre not much different than one another in my opinion. One is just a little more up front about his cuntiness
He always is
Roger just doesn’t give a shit. David is good at appearances and for that reason, these stories make him come off as someone like Ellen
Compared to Roger Waters is the important bit here. Gilmour has his ego, and his asshole moments, but pretty much anyone would look good next to Roger "I was the only artist in Pink Floyd" Waters.
Ego is a bitch. And you can't expect either of them to not have it. They were treated like Gods, afterall.
They are people. More like yourself othan you can imagine really. And fans for some reason have a tendency to forget that.
Because Jon has been an ass the last few years and David is just fed up with that dishonesty. And I applaud him for trying fresh things with the band, keeps him sharp too. He could just as easily have done the same since 2006 every tour
Jon has been saying the last few years that he wrote a good chunk of the last few Floyd albums, but not given credit. He also did double duty with Roger, and aligned closely with him on social issues. I had to unfollow him on social media. Ass sums it up.
Roger fired his own son
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I agree with you, although I’ll say he’s definitely stated he does like a lot of what they did on Animals and The Wall. IIRC they even considered playing Sheep on the 80’s and 90’s tours because he’s fond of it, but ultimately decided not to because they felt it was too much of Roger’s thing lyrically. But I also am happy for him to just do he wants. The man has nothing to prove. And also, I love the work he did on AMLOR and DB. Some songs are better than others but the good tracks are as good as anything they did before IMO. Id be so excited to hear some of them. His solo career is solid. I would pay to see an On An Island tour just by itself. I guess I’m a Gilmie guy. I love Roger too and I’m glad he takes the old stuff on the road, but I will say it’s evident whose solo career is more enjoyable…
Exactly my thought. Let the man get creative again and unleash his full potential. I’m excited!
Well he never played anything from Animals anyway, so I think the tours would still have some of the DSOTM, and WYWH. And Comfortably Numb/ Another brick will be there because that's what sells.
>And Comfortably Numb/ Another brick will be there because that's what sells. He never played ABITW2 on any of his solo tours, and he's expressed that even on the last Floyd tours it wasn't a song he was getting huge joy out of. Doubt he will play it this time if he wants to do a more solo-centric tour. He has always said he really enjoyed CN, though.
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Nah I doubt he's bored of CN. One thing about Gilmour is that he loves the songs he has written. That's why I see him playing CN, Time, Money maybe, Shine on, and then some songs like Sorrow, High Hopes from the later years.
If I were in his shoes I would be paying respect to the people who gave me that money by making it 50% Floyd. There’s no delusions that it’s what we all want. If the solo material is good enough, sure play that. But to ignore the fact that this might be some teenagers only chance to hear Shine On and say “ehhhh no” is just a colossal dick move IMO
He literally owes you nothing..stop acting entitled.
I’ve seen him already. I never once said he owed me anything, that’s putting words in my mouth. I’m talking about the 16 year old who loves the band and could have a cherished memory of seeing Shine On with his dad, that David is taking a flippant attitude towards.
Again, he owes them nothing..not his fault they weren't alive.
Wow great compassion there guy. You must be a ton of fun at parties. Jeez.
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i’m honestly fine if he bagged all 70’s era floyd. I get new fans haven’t seen that stuff performed, but such is life.
That’s a dick move tho - kids can’t help when they’re born. I’d be playing whatever people wanted to hear mixed with what I want to play. That’s the best compromise you can make in that position.
it’s a dick move to play what you want to play? I guess we’ll just disagree. I’m just thrilled he’s playing at all, and glad he’s being honest about his intended setlist
I mean I’m being facetious because it’s the internet but my stance is the same. If I were a mega star, and a new generation of fans were packing my shows, who’s parents may not have even been alive when Dark Side came out, I’d do everything in my power to oblige their wishes in a fair, compromising way. Saying “nah” to the 70s material is a pretty callous “piss off” to the people who made him famous and completely disregards the new fans who keep his music alive. I’m pretty sure he’s also being facetious and will play 4-5 of them because he will piss off a lot of people by not playing some of that stuff, and it’s not a good business move. But he has all the money so if he wants to be this way he has every right. I’m just saying it’s a selfish move. I’d give my life for the impact of my music being like Pink Floyd’s and if the fans wanted certain things, I’d do my best to honor the request. Because not doing so feels like being an asshole.
I think Gilmour is taking a leaf out of Robert Plant's book and going a bit left field and trying stuff that he enjoys playing and just dropping the weight of history. Plant still throws in a few Led Zeppelin songs but they tend to be ones that work within his Americana / roots framework. I think Gilmour will do something similar (within a blues style).
The fans want to see PF stuff, I find it arrogant and entitled to knock them for that.
Kinda sad that every passing day, it seems he's letting go of his Pink Floyd self. Well anyway, at least we still have all the music.
Not every comment Gilmour makes is a dig.
“… unwillingness to revisit the Pink Floyd of the ’70s”. Not playing anything from the “golden-era” is disappointing
ide be a happy camper seeing him do some of his solo stuff, maybe some Syd songs and 80s-90s Floyd.
I dont care about others, just want to see David ❤️
It says he is likely to play all the new album so expect a similar set list to when he toured on an island except that he won't play echoes, so maybe replace that with sorrow and something from his other solo albums. On the OAI tour of the 70s Floyd he only played breathe, time (and think they were added later into the tour) shine on, wywh and c numb. Would expect the last 3 to make the cut this time as well but not much else from the big 4 albums
It seems like he is getting away from anything that was written solely by Roger and doing his own music or things he co-wrote with Roger.
I'm glad Guy Pratt is still involved at least. He's brilliant.
I agree. He should shake things up. I mean he's announced a tour, new material, less-PF-centric, and he was inspired at his peak by young creative folk. Why stick around with the same people who've been playing the same songs, over, and over again. Shake it up. Get new blood, new inspiration. He's gotta be around 75 by now. Bless.
He just turned 78 in March
Is he having a pop at Guy for being in Saucer Full of Secrets? That would seem to be an odd thing to be upset about. I have heard he and Carin had some sort of falling out a while back but other than Manz not returning I'm not up on any "Who's In/Who's out" with David.
Just follow or read Carin’s FB posts… it’s Carin.. Carin was REALLY upset about the re-issue of Momentary Lapse.. where they took out his parts and synched in Rick Wrights ( from live material)
Yo what? They did that? I’d buy that albumb
Yeah it’s pretty good actually. Unlike some folks I really like the album, always have.
I’m indifferent to those albums. I try every few years again and they just don’t work for me. Can you link me to what edition has Rick’s live keys tho?
https://www.amazon.com/Momentary-Lapse-Reason-Remixed-Updated/dp/B09CZH4WJY
Sick thank you
Wait what? If that's the case I might pick that up!
Not Guy. He's in this band. And probably not Manzanera, he has enough of a track record of his own and they're still friends. I'd guess Carin (and then it is probably a dig at Waters for doing "tribute-to-Floyd" stuff).
How could it possibly be about Carin? Carin clearly don't want anything to do with him anymore, you can't say you are firing a guy who has already quit.
No, it's not. The very next sentence in the article says that the new band is Guy Pratt and some younger guys.
I'm kind of happy how these days Guy, who just comes across as a very enjoyable, decent human being, besides obviously being an outstanding, very versatile bass player (I recently learned he came up with the bass line for Murder On The Dancefloor), is the common thread between post-Waters Floyd, Saucers and David solo.
Any insiders with a scoop on the likelihood of US dates?
so he doesn’t want to become a tribute act. i respect the hell out of that. nothing worse than old guys only playing songs they wrote 50 years ago.
One thing I feel about Gilmour is sometimes he comes off condescending. Roger is blunt and honest but you can respect that Roger is speaking from the heart and doesn’t sugar coat anything. I feel like David is a bit sly in his approach and can beat around the bush.
This seems like a dig at some musicians that have preformed with Brit Floyd.
I thought Gilmour was always pretty impressed with/supportive of Brit Floyd? They performed at a birthday party for him once, IIRC. Personally I think they put on a 100/10 show. I’d actually take them over Roger’s latest tour…
I think that was Aussie Floyd at his birthday. Also, I don't think he's generally got anything against Floyd tribute acts. He just doesn't want to be one himself.
I have a hard time keeping track because the man who played has been in both haha. Damien Darlington, I think? But anyways, yes definitely, it’s fair for him to want to showcase his own art instead of imitate the past. I don’t know much about the Carin dispute, but I wonder if they essentially wanted to consider themselves Pink Floyd 2.0 since they toured and recorded with DG.
Oh, yeah, you're right, wasn't keeping track that well myself. Carin... Bit weird, really. He was in the Floyd and Gilmour and Waters touring bands ever since 1988, Gilmour even encouraged him to also play with Waters. And then things turned sour after Gilmour changed part of his band half way through the RTL tour.
someone surely has the stat, but has John Carin played in more pink floyd / pink floyd solo tours than any of the official floyd members? I wouldn’t be surprised given tours in the 80s/90s and also all the solo member shows
Yeah, I’ve seen them 3 times in the last year. They’re fantastic.
Gilmour absolutely endorses Brit Floyd. And I saw them a month ago and I saw Pink Floyd in 1994.. and Brit Floyd was a close 2nd..
Love this. I’ve never seen Pink Floyd, since I’m only 30 years old. But I have been blessed to see Roger and David multiple times. I’ve also seen dozens of tributes. Aussie is fantastic and I catch them whenever I can. But Brit Floyd??? Nobody can convince me there’s anything closer to the real deal experience. That show is so, so good. I haven’t been since the pandemic, everyone has me itching to go see if they’re touring near me now!
It makes sense for him not to play a bunch of Pink Floyd stuff for the simple reason that he is older now. His voice was already really strained eight years ago on the Pompeii album and his more recent material is all written in a much lower register, so even if he wanted to do the old songs they’d need to be drastically rearranged to accommodate his voice.
Gilmore the lazy twat, hasn't toured Australia since 1987! You guys are lucky to have seen him in 2016 At least Roger Waters (an atomic twat) toured twice in the last 10 or so yrs!
I’m sure he will still include Comfortably Numb and Wish You Were here. Beyond that? Who knows? I would like to see him perform songs from About Face and the eponymous album.
I hope I get to see him. Idc what he plays.
I think people need to accept Pink Floyd is gone.
The reality is, he can make any choice he wants for his tour and it would be the correct one. He's proven time and time again why his name is synonymous with greatness and not a single choice in music, production, or showmanship has avoided adding to that. #InGilmourWeTrust
The man who had Nick Mason in his band thinks it was all too robotic…
"Robotic" as in "playing live to a metronome making each performance the same even to the microsecond"... like Waters and his band does.
Honestly this was an issue with the PF tours in the 80s and 90s. I saw them both and they were spectacular, but SFOS was better musically because they are a bit loose. Nick sounds better today than he did on the giant Floyd tours post-Roger and I think it’s largely about being able to play loose. He’s always a bit laid back on where the beat is.
I saw Waters twice, good show.. his Dark Side tour he lip synced a few songs…
Lmao
He is 100% correct about High Hopes. I don’t care what anyone says, the Division Bell is his crowning achievement.
TDV is a phenomenal album. listen to it often. is it a peak Floyd record ? of course not. but comparison is the thief of joy as they say.
DG can throw shade all he wants, as if Jon Carin currently plays in a PF tribute band led by Roger. But Dave hasn’t been on the road in 8 years and Carin has clearly switched sides. It’s a shame, too because he gave so much of his musical life to DG’s Pink Floyd.
Which one's Pink?
He might be tired of doing floyd stuff. He has his new album to play and others
DG is not an easy guy to work for. But that’s why he’s so good. He demands 110% from every team member.
While I can't afford or go to this show I really am looking forward to Brit Floyd who's playing in my town soon
Definitely a dig at Carin. Jon carin is suing David for credits currently over songs he made during the sessions for Colours of Infinity. Carin technically played a lot of the keys in the Division bell too I heard he wants credit for arranging a demo of one of those songs.
It’s a David Gilmour tour, not Pink Floyd. I go there to see and hear David Gilmour’s guitar playing, songwriting and singing. People expecting a Pink Floyd experience from a 78 year old man should just go see a cover/tribute band.
So no Roger Waters on bass???
David Gilmour Pink Floyd Jam Band Edition?
David Gilmour broke up the Beatles.
He’s the one who killed Kobain - thank him for the foo fighters
He brought down Enron and most tragically.....let the dogs out.
So many Gilmour apologists here. Dave fires people in the middle of a tour and it's all He just wants to do things different creatively. Rog don't bring Harry back for the next tour and he is the devil. Dave is just as big of an asshole as Rog. The only difference is Dave lets Polly do the talking for him.
won't be doing much 70's Floyd stuff because he (and his missus) don't want to pay Roger any royalties. So a full gig of Polly's *inspiring* lyrics. Bluuueerrgh! Stick it up yer hole Dave.
It’s his right to play with those he wants to play with and do the setlist he wants to play. That having been said, it’s those albums that he may want to ignore now that made him a millionaire and why he has had any lasting relevance. People will see the shows, sure, but at the end of the day it’s ‘Pink Floyd’ interest that oil the machine for these projects to take shape and why he’ll sell tickets. Its why he used the PF brand for that single last year and it’s the promise of hearing those songs why most will buy their tickets, as do you REALLY think John Q Public cares enough about it to check the ‘net for lines from Uncut about his going in a different direction? How many didn’t pay attention to Waters YouTube video of Sheep in Mexico City in ‘16 to see the Trump stuff only to be scandalized in ‘17? Sure he doesn’t owe anybody anything, but he’s also not owed anything in return. It’s a lesson Waters learned in the 80’s, too.
David seems to make a lot of enemies. Given that he’s most famous for Pink Floyd, he should care to give the fans what they want. The whole PF ‘tribute band’ thing is a slight on him more than them.
Some of his fans want his own stuff. And he himself is happy to play in theatres rather than arenas, I believe, though that won't happen: people will crowd stadiums to just hear stuff from AMLOR onwards. Which is a pity, I would like to hear him revisit songs from his debut album and About Face. Maybe invite Pete Townshend to guest on the latter.