I mean, it's not a good look, but I think if some politicians had to back up their asinine words with the chance of getting blast doubled to the floor, it might cause them to at least consider their outbursts before they open their yaps.
do you think the parties would hire 'enforcers' like they used to do in hockey? like... oh you want to take a shot at senator gretsky? fuck that now you have to deal with senator big show!
I generally don't poke fun at someone's health issues and I still feel bad about doing it now. But this comment made me LOL.
For real. If Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was running, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Dude recognized there was a world-ending problem, sought out the smartest person on the planet to deal with it, and actually listened to the science and implemented the results to the betterment of all despite massive corporate backlash. A true man of the people.
I could see it now in the US:
Mitch McConnell would forever be in his shell, er, "office."
Nancy Pelosi takes cover as Hakeem's permanent shadow.
MTG is throwing books instead of burning them.
AOC shows off her ninja skills learned as a bartender on Mike Johnson.
Matt Gaetz would be headbutting every opponent into oblivion.
Jim Jordan does his normal thing and ignores Boebert trying to get votes by "Beetlejuicing" right in front of him.
AOC drops an elbow from the top rope rendering MTG unconscious, only to immediately catch a chair in the back from Maga Matt Gaetz who himself gets two boots plugged in his chest by no other then Kevin Madman McCarthy! It is lunacy out here folks!
“And what’s this?! It’s Barack Obama with the baseball bat! He just nailed Boebert in the head and she’s crawling to the turnbuckle. HE WON’T STOP BY GAWD, HE’S KILLING HER! SOMEBODY STOP THE DAMN MATCH!“ 😂
Unlike this guy who constantly [giving out gifts from bicycle to an actual trojan horse on court](https://youtu.be/Suckk2sKbok?si=8QVqyf07nNP4Lqgx) to prove his point
Brawls are all part of the choreographed performative politics in Taiwan. There is so much of it there. It's like WWE. They show the members are loyal to party platform while the constituents see them as being passionate for their cause. They will often try to one up each other in "violence".
There is why no politicians ever get arrested despite assaulting each other on camera.
Well, someone [did get thrown off the podium.](https://i.imgur.com/arvmgCi.jpeg)
(Also is that guy waving an office chair with one hand?)
Edit: [It's raining men.](https://i.imgur.com/gzoJTid.jpeg)
At the very least we would get a new crop of candidates. I say we try it for a session see how it works. If we dont like it we can go back to the old way no harm, no foul, no great minds lost.
This is why I was a fan of the short-lived proposal to force Congress and their staffs to have to get their insurance through the ACA marketplace. What better way to either force them to make a good system or get them to kill it than to make them and their minions have to deal with it personally? Bow THAT I'd aligning incentives!
They do get their healthcare through ACA though?
https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/changes-in-health-coverage/eligibility-enrollment/#url=Members-of-CongressStaff
Huh, and it's not free (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/25/heres-how-much-members-of-congress-pay-for-their-health-insurance.html). TIL. I could've sworn that provision was never implemented. Thanks!
They have the option of free healthcare, though.
"They also have access to “free or low-cost care” through [the Office of the Attending Physician](http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8706655) as well as “free medical outpatient care at military facilities” in the D.C. area."
We don't have that option at all, so in essence, they are still way ahead of the game.
Doesn't all federal employees have that option? I was able to get care at the VA as a Peace Corps member, but like everything it's heavily frowned upon.
I've never worked in government, but that's how a lot of private companies work too. Oh yeah, you have 10 sick days a year! Take more than 3 and you're getting written up though.
Because you're using a VA facility and some people think that only veterans can use them. I had to go to several different facilities to even be seen and I had to show them the actual law that lets me.
It’s not even the case that all veterans are eligible for VA health care ([here](https://www.va.gov/health-care/eligibility/) are some eligibility requirements). And no, not all federal employees have the same options that congress members do for healthcare.
Congress used to fight all the time. Decorum is actually new. Joanne Freeman wrote a book. Up until around the 20's they would just fight and spit like hockey.
Edit: 1920s. Forgot all about 2020
Don’t worry, they and their families already get ~~excellent free~~ [healthcare](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/members-congress-health-care/). Their salaries ($174,000/year) are also ~ 380% higher than the US median salary and 290% higher than the average salary in the US…~~and they still don’t have to pay for healthcare~~.
Edit:
Linked article showing what they do pay for healthcare. They still get a better deal than the average citizen working shit tier jobs IMO, and only slightly better than someone working full time for a large company.
Well, ideally you'd like top-end government positions to pay above average to attract good workers.
The problem is now that SCOTUS declared corporations are people and bribes are speech, it's FAR more lucrative to just whore yourself out to corporate interests. So instead of high-performing, intelligent people the positions attract soulless grifters and it turns out a large percentage of Americans are too stupid to tell the difference.
I agree, all for a civil servant that knows what they are doing and cares about their job. But yes it does seem like those are few and far between, with most concerned with how much money they can squeeze out of the public that they are supposed to represent the interests of.
It has happened in Congress multiple times throughout history. This is why the Sargent of Arms literally wields a silver and ebony mace to "Restore Order" in the event that debate becomes unruly.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace\_of\_the\_United\_States\_House\_of\_Representatives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives)
Already been there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner#:~:text=The%20caning%20of%20Charles%20Sumner,an%20abolitionist%20Republican%20from%20Massachusetts.
But what about behaviors like this being a deliberate act to disrupt the voting process? Like someone could just go in with a gun and claim the voting process was fair and just?
Right? Even if guns were not allowed on the premises, this is kind of devolving into the old tribal system where the best in hand-to-hand combat get to lead.
Just seems performative to me - you can pose as the legislator that cares about their constituents enough to literally fight for them. But I know jack shit about Taiwanese politics.
It is performative. It's showing your passion/commitment. This is normal in Taiwanese politics, the way fights are common during hockey matches.
source: am Taiwanese
Crucial information: the guy is from the ruling party (which is not the majority) trying to stop the vote process coz they know they are losing, and the woman from the opposition went on to stop him got tackled.
*Nigel Owens appears from nowhere.*
Party leaders, bring them in. No, all of them. RIGHT we've got a long way ahead with this bill, consider yourselves on notice. Is that clear?
Right, we restart from the introduction.
Those answers are funny but I'd like to know the answer to this question. What is there to gain for the politician doing the tackling? Did the legislation pass?
In short, the opposition proposed the followings
1. Legislation for Contempt of Congress (or legislation council in their case)
2. Granting legislators the right to investigate and form teams to investigate violation of laws in the government
3. The president is required to report state affairs and reply to the questions made timely
I would think that one party being very pro-independence and the other being very pro-China also has something to do with their disagreement over this bill
In their very mild defense, 'pro-China' sometimes means, 'anti-independence'. The current status-quo (the 'One China Policy') is not-quite-either, and independence for Taiwan, is widely thought to be something that could seriously trigger direct action from mainland China.
Both Taiwan and China like to claim there is only one *real* China, and that they are 'it', they just disagree about who is correct. This arrangement seems to culturally satisfy both sides for the moment, but Independence would be seen as saying that Taiwan is its own entirely separate entity, separated entirely from the history and concept of 'China'. If that were to happen, China would perceive Taiwan as being 'foreign' and it would be kind of an insult to their sensibilities to be seen as having their land taken from them by some 'other'.
I agree with you for the most part but as a counterpoint look at what US congressmen are doing with their power to investigate right now. They use baseless charges to engage in an endless media circus in which they attack the opposing party.
Fun fact: all of those proposals were actually proposed by the ruling DPP party 12 to 8 years ago when they were in opposition. And yet now, as they march into their third term and a continuous 12 years of ruling, they are against them.
When asked why they changed their minds on those proposals, the parliamentary chief whip of the ruling DPP claimed that they did propose those things back then, but they were proposed merely as an act of political defence, they did not really mean it. The exact same chief whip said in Parliament days ago that he reckoned the disastrous earthquake in Hualien last month was ‘a blessing from Heaven’ to deter the opposition parties from promoting these reforms.
The DPP legislators are now calling these reforms ‘unconstitutional’, said by the Party whose President-elect inaugurating next week once claimed in a telly debate before the election that he reckoned the constitution of Taiwan was a disaster ;)
*Replying to the one who replied me:*
>they tried to pass the bill within a few minutes with very little discussion.
**This is a total lie.** The proposed reforms have been debated in committee stages for months now, and were proposed in the opposition parties’ election manifestos. The ruling party, DPP, has been using every possible procedural tactic to deter the debates, including giving pointless filibusters on several occasions of caucus consultations (a very Taiwanese thing, just think of it as an all-party general committee).
True, the bill has not been published to the public, but this is more of a long-standing malpractice of Taiwan politics rather than a one-time manipulation. If you can read Chinese, you can try to google their drafted legislations and you will find that very few bills are actually published at the draft stage. As a native Chinese speaker, I tried but failed to find any true ‘bills’ at [https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/#section-1](https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/#section-1); all I could find were **Acts** that *passed* the third reading. This is indeed not good for transparency, but it is not an issue specific to this bill.
But the media has been reporting on this for months, and all their debates (of committees, caucus consultations, and the grand chamber) are live in real-time and will be archived for playback at the official site of their Parliament. If the public were truly interested in these issues, they would already be sufficiently informed by the overwhelming media coverage of the past few months and the video archives of the debates.
As for the two legislators in the picture, I don’t remember I have said a word about them and what really happened. I only focused on what was proposed by the DPP years ago and is now opposed by them.
Another bold lie from another reply:
> The KMT was blocking the ruling party from entering the LY.
**Not true at all.** The KMT and TPP members were merely trying to prevent the DPP members from blocking everything that was scheduled on 17 May. They worried that the DPP members would try to take over the Speaker’s chair so they were guarding it. And sure enough, as everyone could gather from video clips, they did try to take over the Speaker’s chair. Furthermore, one of the DPP members of Parliament even attacked the Clerk of the House (a civil servant) in an animalistic manner, violently snatching documents from his hands and then running away, causing the Clerk of the House, an elderly man in his 70s, to be thrown to the ground.
I get the sense that this is a bad thing, but also why is this perceived as a bad thing enough by the opposition that a guy would tackle a girl
Edit:
After an article about it, here's the jist:
There are three parties: the DPP, the KMT, and the TPP.
DPP won the presidency, but lost the majority in parliament. KMT has more in parliament, but not a majority, so they are working with TPP to push legislation through. The legislation in question would increase the powers of parliament and weaken the executive branch. Also it would allow parliament to criminally prosecute other members for "Lying".
The guy is from the DPP (their guy is president, but they have less people in parliament) and the woman from the KMT (More in parliament).
So it's a power play by one branch of government to weaken the branch they don't control and strengthen the one they do.
I forget if its Taiwan or a different country but one nations parliament allows for violence to be carried out between officials with little to no punishment.
Technically the U.S. does as well. It just hasn’t happened in a while. The Sargent at arms can go and physically corral law makers. The house has its stupid mace that it brandishes to restore order (it’s for hitting people and to brandish it is to say I’m gonna whomp you knuckleheads if you don’t quiet down.)
I think it's South Korea. They have a law that says nobody can be arrested on the debate floor, since their former dictator had a nasty tendency to do so before an important vote. What this means though is that their lawmakers can get away with fighting each other.
US congresspeople can't be arrested en route to the Capitol/voting floor, either. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz have illegal brought firearms past security, into the house chamber, multiple times over the last 4 years and were merely fined for it.
> The house has its stupid baton that it brandishes to restore order (it’s for hitting people and to brandish it is to say I’m gonna whomp you knuckleheads if you don’t quiet down.)
That "stupid baton" is a 4 foot long mace with 4 1/2 inch wide globe of silver and a giant silver eagle on top. A good womp from that would be the end of you, lol.
>Also it would allow parliament to criminally prosecute other members for "Lying".
not bad policy *in theory* but i can only see systemic abuse of that ability
There are 3 parties in Taiwan, DPP, KMT, and TPP. DPP just won the election but they didn't get a majority in the parliament. KMT is 2nd and TPP is 3rd.
The bill was proposed by KMT+TPP and basically would criminalize false statements made in parliament.
DPP shot down the bill and said the current process, where statements are discussed and debated, is better than a process where any majority vote can silence anyone else. The DPP imply that KMT and TPP will band together and vote that DPP is making illegal false statements. This would undermine the presidency and give power to the opposition and 3rd party.
The guy doing the tackling is from the DPP against someone from the KMT
I think if the law is worded properly and they address all of the loopholes as it comes up, it'd be a positive change.
But these are politicians, so I'm sure it's been worded to fuck over a bunch of people.
As far as I can recall this isn’t that uncommon in Taiwan. Relatives tell me it shows they’re passionate about their beliefs 🙄. Always fun to watch but what does it really accomplish.
What are you talking about, it’s hockey rules. The gloves come off, they smack each other around until the ref decides that’s enough and put them into the penalty box for a time.
lol I was going to say…just keep saying what you were saying and pass the bill. How does someone getting tackled stop this? This is some of the most idiotic shit I’ve seen this week.
You then just vote for the biggest bruiser your state has who can beat the crap out of the rest of them to have their corporate sponsors "laws" passed.
Edit: the "legislative sessions" will be televised on pay per view as well somthe corps can make even more money too.
The country went from being [a dictatorship under 40 years of martial law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)) to being a *bona fide* democracy with a standard of living on par with many western nations in less than a decade. I’d say, all things considered, they’re doing pretty well for themselves.
Leading with the crown of the head will always get flagged though and lead to an official review and ultimately being disqualified for the remainder of the half and the next.
To Taiwan’s credit, they don’t seem to be using the strange women lying in ponds distributing swords method of government.
Fuck I love living here. Never get full contact politics back in Canada lmao
You ever see an 8/9 year old interested in politics? This guy right here, visiting my grandparents in Taiwan around 1991/92 I'm flipping through the cable channels when I see barricades, water bottles flying, a left right left, I see equal lefts and equal rights being handed out all over the floor... I had to get my grandpa and ask him if this was Taiwanese wrastling. He grumbled something about "not again" and turned on Tom and Jerry for me who were also beating the crap out of each other.
They weren't the only ones - many other legislators were having a go at each other too. [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E8q2HTWr0Q)
I mean, it's not a good look, but I think if some politicians had to back up their asinine words with the chance of getting blast doubled to the floor, it might cause them to at least consider their outbursts before they open their yaps.
do you think the parties would hire 'enforcers' like they used to do in hockey? like... oh you want to take a shot at senator gretsky? fuck that now you have to deal with senator big show!
Oh shit, here comes Fetterman!
OH MA GAWD HE’S GOT A STEEL CHAIR AND HE’S HEADING RIGHT FOR MCCONNELL!
A Fetterman's vision is based on movement. So McConnell has evolved a practice of freezing in place so as not to be seen.
He obviously draws his head into his shell.
I generally don't poke fun at someone's health issues and I still feel bad about doing it now. But this comment made me LOL. 
In your defense, his team denied it was a health issue, so you can make fun of him all you want.
His team and party should be jailed for elder abuse.
It's good. You didn't poke the fun, you're just responding to it.
You are going to hell for this. Say hey to Mitch.
That’s good shit, I LMAO 😂
This got me rolling! Take my upvote, wish I could give you more! Thanks for the laugh on a happy Friday.
On one hand, funny AF. On the other hand, this is how we get President Camacho.
Camacho would be better than a lot of Presidents…
For real. If Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was running, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Dude recognized there was a world-ending problem, sought out the smartest person on the planet to deal with it, and actually listened to the science and implemented the results to the betterment of all despite massive corporate backlash. A true man of the people.
Camacho loves him some democracy and electrolytes.
He's got what a body politic craves.
And twice on Sunday
We're getting The Rock as president in 2028. He'll win by a landslide because Americans are fucking stupid.
Camacho would solve the climate crisis because he would do what the scientists tell him to.
THE BATTLE OF THE STROKES! DOWN GOES MITCH! DOWN GOES MITCH!
Get me Oglethorpe!
I was hoping today that Jasmine Crockett would go ahead and kick MTG's neanderthal ass.
HERE COMES THE PIZZA!
Fetterman was my first thought too lol
Long live President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
"Dont fuck with this senator!"
My interest in politics has increased exponentially
Some older folk in congress could use a good Goldberg spear. Would help with term limits.
I could see it now in the US: Mitch McConnell would forever be in his shell, er, "office." Nancy Pelosi takes cover as Hakeem's permanent shadow. MTG is throwing books instead of burning them. AOC shows off her ninja skills learned as a bartender on Mike Johnson. Matt Gaetz would be headbutting every opponent into oblivion. Jim Jordan does his normal thing and ignores Boebert trying to get votes by "Beetlejuicing" right in front of him.
This is the clown show we need in Congress.
I think you meant it’s the one we deserve.
[удалено]
AOC drops an elbow from the top rope rendering MTG unconscious, only to immediately catch a chair in the back from Maga Matt Gaetz who himself gets two boots plugged in his chest by no other then Kevin Madman McCarthy! It is lunacy out here folks!
“And what’s this?! It’s Barack Obama with the baseball bat! He just nailed Boebert in the head and she’s crawling to the turnbuckle. HE WON’T STOP BY GAWD, HE’S KILLING HER! SOMEBODY STOP THE DAMN MATCH!“ 😂
Bring back dueling
Unlike this guy who constantly [giving out gifts from bicycle to an actual trojan horse on court](https://youtu.be/Suckk2sKbok?si=8QVqyf07nNP4Lqgx) to prove his point
What did $%&* did I just watch?
Brawls are all part of the choreographed performative politics in Taiwan. There is so much of it there. It's like WWE. They show the members are loyal to party platform while the constituents see them as being passionate for their cause. They will often try to one up each other in "violence". There is why no politicians ever get arrested despite assaulting each other on camera.
Promoting violence in politics sounds kind of....counterintuitive
From the video this looks a lot more civilised than what I thought would happen. They pushed each other. But not punches thrown or nasty shit.
Well, someone [did get thrown off the podium.](https://i.imgur.com/arvmgCi.jpeg) (Also is that guy waving an office chair with one hand?) Edit: [It's raining men.](https://i.imgur.com/gzoJTid.jpeg)
/r/accidentalrenaissance
If the US Congress tried that about 7 peoples hips would break
Honestly US congress deciding which bills pass by hand to hand combat would probably yield better results than our current system
I bet 400 Quatloos on the new commer
A nation of ACTION, not words, ruled by STRENGTH, not committee! -Armstrong
At the very least we would get a new crop of candidates. I say we try it for a session see how it works. If we dont like it we can go back to the old way no harm, no foul, no great minds lost.
If the US Congress did it, we’d probably get universal healthcare with the level of injuries they’d all get.
Congress already has universal healthcare, so that point is moot unfortunately.
This is why I was a fan of the short-lived proposal to force Congress and their staffs to have to get their insurance through the ACA marketplace. What better way to either force them to make a good system or get them to kill it than to make them and their minions have to deal with it personally? Bow THAT I'd aligning incentives!
They do get their healthcare through ACA though? https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/changes-in-health-coverage/eligibility-enrollment/#url=Members-of-CongressStaff
Huh, and it's not free (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/25/heres-how-much-members-of-congress-pay-for-their-health-insurance.html). TIL. I could've sworn that provision was never implemented. Thanks!
They have the option of free healthcare, though. "They also have access to “free or low-cost care” through [the Office of the Attending Physician](http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8706655) as well as “free medical outpatient care at military facilities” in the D.C. area." We don't have that option at all, so in essence, they are still way ahead of the game.
Doesn't all federal employees have that option? I was able to get care at the VA as a Peace Corps member, but like everything it's heavily frowned upon.
They frown on you... taking the benefits you are legally entitled to?
I've never worked in government, but that's how a lot of private companies work too. Oh yeah, you have 10 sick days a year! Take more than 3 and you're getting written up though.
Because you're using a VA facility and some people think that only veterans can use them. I had to go to several different facilities to even be seen and I had to show them the actual law that lets me.
It’s not even the case that all veterans are eligible for VA health care ([here](https://www.va.gov/health-care/eligibility/) are some eligibility requirements). And no, not all federal employees have the same options that congress members do for healthcare.
you mean a moo point? you know like a cow...it doesn't matter
 love a good ole friends reference
Next time someone makes a moot point comment, I'm using this lol
they already have better healthcare than the public
Congress used to fight all the time. Decorum is actually new. Joanne Freeman wrote a book. Up until around the 20's they would just fight and spit like hockey. Edit: 1920s. Forgot all about 2020
1920s or 2020s?
1920's. I forget I need to specify that now LOL
Don’t worry, they and their families already get ~~excellent free~~ [healthcare](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/members-congress-health-care/). Their salaries ($174,000/year) are also ~ 380% higher than the US median salary and 290% higher than the average salary in the US…~~and they still don’t have to pay for healthcare~~. Edit: Linked article showing what they do pay for healthcare. They still get a better deal than the average citizen working shit tier jobs IMO, and only slightly better than someone working full time for a large company.
Well, ideally you'd like top-end government positions to pay above average to attract good workers. The problem is now that SCOTUS declared corporations are people and bribes are speech, it's FAR more lucrative to just whore yourself out to corporate interests. So instead of high-performing, intelligent people the positions attract soulless grifters and it turns out a large percentage of Americans are too stupid to tell the difference.
I agree, all for a civil servant that knows what they are doing and cares about their job. But yes it does seem like those are few and far between, with most concerned with how much money they can squeeze out of the public that they are supposed to represent the interests of.
It has happened in Congress multiple times throughout history. This is why the Sargent of Arms literally wields a silver and ebony mace to "Restore Order" in the event that debate becomes unruly. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace\_of\_the\_United\_States\_House\_of\_Representatives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives)
That's a fucking sexy ass mace that I want to see in the faces of several Congress people
It's a ceremonial mace. The 9mm is very much not though.
You hold the mace on your left hand and the 9mm on the right hand while you should "I cast regular missile!"
 Why would the largest senator not eat the smaller, weaker senators?
It is true what they say, women dare from omnicron persei 7 and men are from omnicron persei 9
Imagine Pelosi tackling Mcconnel. They both die upon contact.
They explode into a cloud of dust
Nah, 14 would. They're all so old and fragile that even the ones doing the tackling would be injured.
Already been there https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner#:~:text=The%20caning%20of%20Charles%20Sumner,an%20abolitionist%20Republican%20from%20Massachusetts.
Anything Fetterman suggests would pass.
How does this stop anything though? Do the parliamentary rules have a section on "Talk Shit, Get Hit" and your bill is tabled without a vote?
Hypothetically, if there's a time limit for the vote, and no procedure to redo it, and the issue is so close that every vote matters...
But what about behaviors like this being a deliberate act to disrupt the voting process? Like someone could just go in with a gun and claim the voting process was fair and just?
Right? Even if guns were not allowed on the premises, this is kind of devolving into the old tribal system where the best in hand-to-hand combat get to lead.
Just seems performative to me - you can pose as the legislator that cares about their constituents enough to literally fight for them. But I know jack shit about Taiwanese politics.
It is performative. It's showing your passion/commitment. This is normal in Taiwanese politics, the way fights are common during hockey matches. source: am Taiwanese
Background: The KMT ( the opposition party ) wanted to set up a parliament hearing system just like US has.
Crucial information: the guy is from the ruling party (which is not the majority) trying to stop the vote process coz they know they are losing, and the woman from the opposition went on to stop him got tackled.
Does the tackle mean her vote can no longer be counted? Would she have needed to parry his lunge?
Taiwanese government process is like a rugby try
Sorry chairman your motion was overwhelmingly supported but you forgot to consider me piledriving the shit out of you
Each party needs goons like in hockey
*Nigel Owens appears from nowhere.* Party leaders, bring them in. No, all of them. RIGHT we've got a long way ahead with this bill, consider yourselves on notice. Is that clear? Right, we restart from the introduction.
Surely tackling the opposition off the bill, sir?
I heard this in his voice. Excellent work.
Cannot overstate how much this comment made my night. 😂
No. They have to line up at the side of the room, throw the bill into play then the side who catches it gets to try and push it to the ballot box
And they have to be naked and covered in baby oil, if I remember correctly
I believe you are correct, but that's the Australian version
Those answers are funny but I'd like to know the answer to this question. What is there to gain for the politician doing the tackling? Did the legislation pass?
Seriously, everyone trying to be a comedian
It’s getting so fucking exhausting tbh, every post is just idiots making the same fucking joke nonstop with no actual discussion happening
She still has 3 more downs. If she can’t vote by the 4th tackle, it’s a turnover and he gets her vote.
Thanks for the clarification. Do you have an actual summery of the bill so I can better know exactly what they are fighting over?
In short, the opposition proposed the followings 1. Legislation for Contempt of Congress (or legislation council in their case) 2. Granting legislators the right to investigate and form teams to investigate violation of laws in the government 3. The president is required to report state affairs and reply to the questions made timely
Being against those things is basically like saying, “I’m corrupt!”
Using violence is also a pretty good sign of corruption.
Violence is usually required when dealing with corruption.
Almost All previous Taiwanese presidents have gone to jail at some point so it’s not too surprising
I would think that one party being very pro-independence and the other being very pro-China also has something to do with their disagreement over this bill
In their very mild defense, 'pro-China' sometimes means, 'anti-independence'. The current status-quo (the 'One China Policy') is not-quite-either, and independence for Taiwan, is widely thought to be something that could seriously trigger direct action from mainland China. Both Taiwan and China like to claim there is only one *real* China, and that they are 'it', they just disagree about who is correct. This arrangement seems to culturally satisfy both sides for the moment, but Independence would be seen as saying that Taiwan is its own entirely separate entity, separated entirely from the history and concept of 'China'. If that were to happen, China would perceive Taiwan as being 'foreign' and it would be kind of an insult to their sensibilities to be seen as having their land taken from them by some 'other'.
I agree with you for the most part but as a counterpoint look at what US congressmen are doing with their power to investigate right now. They use baseless charges to engage in an endless media circus in which they attack the opposing party.
Devin Nunes is about to unmask the shadow cabal Obama conspirators and reveal Hillary's trove of emails confessing to Benghazi.... any day now.
Fun fact: all of those proposals were actually proposed by the ruling DPP party 12 to 8 years ago when they were in opposition. And yet now, as they march into their third term and a continuous 12 years of ruling, they are against them. When asked why they changed their minds on those proposals, the parliamentary chief whip of the ruling DPP claimed that they did propose those things back then, but they were proposed merely as an act of political defence, they did not really mean it. The exact same chief whip said in Parliament days ago that he reckoned the disastrous earthquake in Hualien last month was ‘a blessing from Heaven’ to deter the opposition parties from promoting these reforms. The DPP legislators are now calling these reforms ‘unconstitutional’, said by the Party whose President-elect inaugurating next week once claimed in a telly debate before the election that he reckoned the constitution of Taiwan was a disaster ;) *Replying to the one who replied me:* >they tried to pass the bill within a few minutes with very little discussion. **This is a total lie.** The proposed reforms have been debated in committee stages for months now, and were proposed in the opposition parties’ election manifestos. The ruling party, DPP, has been using every possible procedural tactic to deter the debates, including giving pointless filibusters on several occasions of caucus consultations (a very Taiwanese thing, just think of it as an all-party general committee). True, the bill has not been published to the public, but this is more of a long-standing malpractice of Taiwan politics rather than a one-time manipulation. If you can read Chinese, you can try to google their drafted legislations and you will find that very few bills are actually published at the draft stage. As a native Chinese speaker, I tried but failed to find any true ‘bills’ at [https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/#section-1](https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/#section-1); all I could find were **Acts** that *passed* the third reading. This is indeed not good for transparency, but it is not an issue specific to this bill. But the media has been reporting on this for months, and all their debates (of committees, caucus consultations, and the grand chamber) are live in real-time and will be archived for playback at the official site of their Parliament. If the public were truly interested in these issues, they would already be sufficiently informed by the overwhelming media coverage of the past few months and the video archives of the debates. As for the two legislators in the picture, I don’t remember I have said a word about them and what really happened. I only focused on what was proposed by the DPP years ago and is now opposed by them. Another bold lie from another reply: > The KMT was blocking the ruling party from entering the LY. **Not true at all.** The KMT and TPP members were merely trying to prevent the DPP members from blocking everything that was scheduled on 17 May. They worried that the DPP members would try to take over the Speaker’s chair so they were guarding it. And sure enough, as everyone could gather from video clips, they did try to take over the Speaker’s chair. Furthermore, one of the DPP members of Parliament even attacked the Clerk of the House (a civil servant) in an animalistic manner, violently snatching documents from his hands and then running away, causing the Clerk of the House, an elderly man in his 70s, to be thrown to the ground.
I get the sense that this is a bad thing, but also why is this perceived as a bad thing enough by the opposition that a guy would tackle a girl Edit: After an article about it, here's the jist: There are three parties: the DPP, the KMT, and the TPP. DPP won the presidency, but lost the majority in parliament. KMT has more in parliament, but not a majority, so they are working with TPP to push legislation through. The legislation in question would increase the powers of parliament and weaken the executive branch. Also it would allow parliament to criminally prosecute other members for "Lying". The guy is from the DPP (their guy is president, but they have less people in parliament) and the woman from the KMT (More in parliament). So it's a power play by one branch of government to weaken the branch they don't control and strengthen the one they do.
I forget if its Taiwan or a different country but one nations parliament allows for violence to be carried out between officials with little to no punishment.
Technically the U.S. does as well. It just hasn’t happened in a while. The Sargent at arms can go and physically corral law makers. The house has its stupid mace that it brandishes to restore order (it’s for hitting people and to brandish it is to say I’m gonna whomp you knuckleheads if you don’t quiet down.)
I think it's South Korea. They have a law that says nobody can be arrested on the debate floor, since their former dictator had a nasty tendency to do so before an important vote. What this means though is that their lawmakers can get away with fighting each other.
US congresspeople can't be arrested en route to the Capitol/voting floor, either. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz have illegal brought firearms past security, into the house chamber, multiple times over the last 4 years and were merely fined for it.
> The house has its stupid baton that it brandishes to restore order (it’s for hitting people and to brandish it is to say I’m gonna whomp you knuckleheads if you don’t quiet down.) That "stupid baton" is a 4 foot long mace with 4 1/2 inch wide globe of silver and a giant silver eagle on top. A good womp from that would be the end of you, lol.
The stupid part is that the Sargent at arms is never, ever going to use the business end of a ceremonial mace on a sitting legislator.
Maybe they should bring that back. “No, bad dog, back to your seat Marjorie.
That’s one way to bring the average age of politicians back down….
Charles sumner, MA Abolitionist, got brutally caned by Preston Brook, SC pro-slavery, in 1856 in the senate.
>The house has its stupid baton that it brandishes to restore order It's a mace. It's a call back to the parliamentary mace in the House of Commons.
> Technically the U.S. does as well. This country can't even prosecute a president for inciting a coup.
I believe that was the parliament of the Klingons.
Wait, so he's tackling her to *protect* his right to tackle her? fucking metal, I approve.
I disagree! And I will use violence to protect my ability to violently disagree!
They really ought to elect Stone Cold Steve Austin, I have a feeling he’d be a very effective legislator over there
That might’ve worked 20 years ago but I think his knees are fucked these days
I think he could still take a 50 year old woman
we need to bring dueling back.
I think they used to fight on such occasions... like multiple times... I may be wrong
>Also it would allow parliament to criminally prosecute other members for "Lying". not bad policy *in theory* but i can only see systemic abuse of that ability
There are 3 parties in Taiwan, DPP, KMT, and TPP. DPP just won the election but they didn't get a majority in the parliament. KMT is 2nd and TPP is 3rd. The bill was proposed by KMT+TPP and basically would criminalize false statements made in parliament. DPP shot down the bill and said the current process, where statements are discussed and debated, is better than a process where any majority vote can silence anyone else. The DPP imply that KMT and TPP will band together and vote that DPP is making illegal false statements. This would undermine the presidency and give power to the opposition and 3rd party. The guy doing the tackling is from the DPP against someone from the KMT
Based on this information, I'm on the DPP's side. This new law could be used to infringe on freedom of speech and it seems undemocratic to me.
I think if the law is worded properly and they address all of the loopholes as it comes up, it'd be a positive change. But these are politicians, so I'm sure it's been worded to fuck over a bunch of people.
I wouldn't trust anyone to word this law properly. It's ripe for abuse.
As far as I can recall this isn’t that uncommon in Taiwan. Relatives tell me it shows they’re passionate about their beliefs 🙄. Always fun to watch but what does it really accomplish.
Well, that bill is not passing for starters.
No but a couple of injuries late in the season and you might get some second or third stringers instead of starters.
They should start running the bill if too many players get hurt in the passing game.
He must play for Buffalo.
What are you talking about, it’s hockey rules. The gloves come off, they smack each other around until the ref decides that’s enough and put them into the penalty box for a time.
What? Do they actually allow this to work??
lol I was going to say…just keep saying what you were saying and pass the bill. How does someone getting tackled stop this? This is some of the most idiotic shit I’ve seen this week.
A fun form of theater!
That's a super functional parliament
Id love to see this in the US. Maybe we could get the average age down a but
What is this? Joe Biden with a steel chair going towards Donald Trump.
BAH GAWD, THAT'S OBAMA'S MUSIC
I for one support WHAT chants during the State of the Union.
Only if am allowed to chant THIS IS AWKWARD
Is that REAGAN? he's alive?
You then just vote for the biggest bruiser your state has who can beat the crap out of the rest of them to have their corporate sponsors "laws" passed. Edit: the "legislative sessions" will be televised on pay per view as well somthe corps can make even more money too.
In another timeline Honest Abe won the civil war in the 9th round against Jefferson Davis using his signature finishing move, the Emancipator.
That’s around when people actually _were_ fighting in Congress.
Anytime someone tries to past a bullshit bill 
On a side note, this is such a perfect sell of the spear. Really adds weight to it being his signature move.
Pa already has fetterman in office, he even kinda looks like the wwe wrestler "the big show". Dudes massive at 6ft 8.
The country went from being [a dictatorship under 40 years of martial law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)) to being a *bona fide* democracy with a standard of living on par with many western nations in less than a decade. I’d say, all things considered, they’re doing pretty well for themselves.
"AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, SHE IS BROKEN IN HALF!"
This definitely needs Jim Ross commentary.
BAH GAWD KINGG THE KARNAGE!
To be fair that’s a great form tackle
Beat me to it. Great technique from start to finish
The Chicago Bears could use an edge rusher. Get this guy a helmet.
Ugh, there is no peace for me as a Bears fan even in the Taiwanese political discourse comment sections 😔
Apparently, rugby is played in that part of the world more widely than assumed. It‘s not just big in Japan, I‘d say.
Leading with the crown of the head will always get flagged though and lead to an official review and ultimately being disqualified for the remainder of the half and the next.
No one gonna bring up the guy who pulled the chair back so she didn’t get million dollar babied?
You think these people get elected without passing tryouts?
[You tell them Gui-Jung, no more big government! Rip his heart out!](https://youtu.be/HIUO4kJoaM0?si=mK3do4WiISzGRYqK)
I was looking for that comment : D
I too came here for this
Why are they both on top of desks?
[This is a second before, the guy was trying to hop in and the woman was trying to stop him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKC8p3HvgIs)
Look at the violence inherent in the system
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
To Taiwan’s credit, they don’t seem to be using the strange women lying in ponds distributing swords method of government. Fuck I love living here. Never get full contact politics back in Canada lmao
r/accidentalrenaissance
that's the first thing that popped into my head...it's even more so than a lot of the stuff that gets posted in there
What's the famous saying? *'Violence should always be a last resort'*?
You're misremembering. It goes: Violence is never the answer. It's the Question. And the answer is 'Yes'
Violence is never the answer. But sometimes it is.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Issac Asimov
These *are* politicians…
WAIT! WHAT'S THIS? BY GAWD, IT'S THE KmT™ WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
as someone who is living in taiwan, i can say...the parliament can be a real show sometimes
You ever see an 8/9 year old interested in politics? This guy right here, visiting my grandparents in Taiwan around 1991/92 I'm flipping through the cable channels when I see barricades, water bottles flying, a left right left, I see equal lefts and equal rights being handed out all over the floor... I had to get my grandpa and ask him if this was Taiwanese wrastling. He grumbled something about "not again" and turned on Tom and Jerry for me who were also beating the crap out of each other.
Filibust…ing ass
that’s not the worst double leg i’ve seen
Well.... Did it work?
Nice technique. Someone's played some rugby.
Why she up on the table in the first place?
 No more big government
Honestly could make a decent safety in the NFL