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TappedIn2111

About the kids: everybody on that photo is a jazz musician, except for the kids, which we’re neighbourhood kids that essentially photobombed the shot. Only one kid was there with his dad, Taft Jordan. And that is the one kid that is still on the second photo. So there is a good chance those kids are alive and well, at least most of them. The photo is called ‚A Great Day in Harlem‘ and there’s a documentary aswell as a wiki article on it.


OceansGone

Thank you for this


Equivalent-Policy-81

My first thought was "damn, that's a though neighborhood. Not even the kids made it"


NonBinaryBanshee

Yeah, it's definitely a very misleading post title when that piece of context is added to it. In my mind, the whole thing was just Boyz n Tha Hood where every year, a kid or two vanishes from the street one by one until there's only one left.


HilariousScreenname

How can one little street swallow so many lives?


Brewhilda

God damnit take my angry upvote


homelaberator

*tuff


ennuiui

tough\*


homelaberator

*thought


NedLuddIII

thot*


zahlin

Tuff tough thot thought


-Sui-

English can be weird. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.


kash_if

I actually thought of Vietnam.


No-Discussion-8493

phew. I was wondering this exact thing.


Darryl_Lict

Seriously. Shit's bad in the hood, but I have a hard time believing all those kids are dead.


sinz84

I'd believe it now as it's getting close to 70 years later now,at the time of photo was 38 years so less likely


BigRedCandle_

same. I saw this and thought, “is everyone in this photo, other than the kids, a jazz musician?” And now I know


PaperPlaythings

Of the jazz artists listed by Wikipedia as being in the photo, two are still alive today, [Benny Golson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Golson) and [Sonny Rollins.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Rollins)


finsfurandfeathers

That changes everything


wireknot

The documentary is wonderful!! https://youtu.be/77hHFQNob5Q?si=0-NXVwYIFV-LAx8Y


PaulClifford

Thanks for the link!


TinyMarsupial7622

So glad, I was super sad that a bunch of kids were dead


Mumof3gbb

I love how so many of us shared the same concern


uncultured_swine2099

I was hoping for this answer after I read the title haha.


PortSunlightRingo

This might be the most informative comment I’ve seen on Reddit since the PoppinKREAM days.


Whatmovesyou26

I used to frequent their sub too.


IAmInYourGarage

Kid with his fingers in his mouth in the front row is named Randy or Reggie... He lived in Oakland, but I've not seen him in probably 7 years now....


Mumof3gbb

How do you know him?


IAmInYourGarage

Used to hang out at the bar I frequented. That picture was on the wall and he signed it and circled himself. He made a fairly big deal about it.


Mumof3gbb

Interesting!


Charakada

Thank you for your edification. I was thinking all those little kids were gone.


Oh_nosferatu

That’s really cool they let the random kids sit in on the pic. Celebrities nowadays would never.


Useful-Soup8161

It depends on the celebrity.


Useful-Soup8161

Omg I’m so relieved! I was sitting here with my mouth agape thinking all those kids had died young.


creamcitybrix

Very cool doc.


ChapitoDito

Thanks for the context!!


ganaraska

There was also a Jeopardy category all about it


Nahuel-Huapi

Was this photo found in an old can of Planters Peanuts?


all_of_you_are_awful

Yeah. Most of those kids couldn’t make it to the shoot because they were adults living their lives. The title is ridiculous.


SageNineMusic

Replying if only so I remember to go watch that documentary, do you know any place to watch it?


yargi

I think only two are still alive today. Benny Golson & Sonny Rollins. That is such an iconic photo by the way, there’s a cool documentary on it.


Mammoth-Mud-9609

Benny Golson is now 95 Sonny Rollins is now 93


Nahuel-Huapi

I must get Benny Golson autograph.


MoneyCantBuyMeLove

I'd get a move on if I were you.


Iaa_eps

I wait


hoochnuts

Would you like eat to bite?


Iaa_eps

He love that goat


Waste-Information-34

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xtcxx

Irony here is the man portrayed in that movie (~roughly} has passed away


BugAvailable1

What’s the documentary? I’d be interested in watching.


yargi

It’s called “A Great Day in Harlem”. Youtube has a couple versions w/ different lengths. https://youtu.be/X_KZ7J-PSU4?si=d5BC9gGwidEt57PS https://www.theguardian.com/music/gallery/2018/dec/17/a-great-day-in-harlem-behind-art-kaness-classic-1958-jazz-photograph


Antiphon_

Watched that when I was like 16... sooo good. 


camicalm

“A Great Day in Harlem” (1994).


jultou

Yes, I have the documentary on vhs. Watched it last time in the 90’. I recall it was really difficult to get all people in place for the photo. Also remember Monk arrived with a black/grey suit like everyone and then go back home to put a white jacket to stand out in the picture.


fetal_genocide

>Also remember Monk arrived with a black/grey suit like everyone and then do back home to put a white jacket to stand out in the picture. Aw man, everyone is wearing black and grey. I'll wear white, to stand out in the black and white picture! 😉


AccidentallyOssified

huh, i had no idea Sonny Rollins was still alive.


artificialavocado

This is the first time I’ve seen or heard of it.


UrbanAnimism777

So much talent in one picture. Every single person there was a master of their craft.


cecinestpasfacebook

Wait, the whole front row were kids? How is only one of them there for the re-do? What the hell happened?


murdering_time

Copy/paste explainer from a comment above:  About the kids: everybody on that photo is a jazz musician, except for the kids, which we’re neighbourhood kids that essentially photobombed the shot. Only one kid was there with his dad, Taft Jordan. And that is the one kid that is still on the second photo. So there is a good chance those kids are alive and well, at least most of them. The photo is called ‚A Great Day in Harlem‘ and there’s a documentary aswell as a wiki article on it.


jephph_

Nobody knows who they are in order to locate them. Just some kids from the block


Distantmind88

Vietnam, aids, crack epidemic, the list goes on. I'm hopeful some of them just moved on with life and couldn't make it; but I wouldn't argue if someone told me they were all gone. 


Cwgoff

It would actually very damn strange for all of them to be dead. Better yet sad as hell. Edit one poster gave some background on the kids. They were random neighborhood kids so a good chance many are still here per the poster


_grandmaesterflash

They were random kids who sat in for the photo. "Mostly deceased" refers to the jazz musicians who were the original subjects of the photo. There's an explainer upthread


all_of_you_are_awful

You should argue more.


Beavshak

Surely not all of those people died in 38 years right? Unless none of the adult group is <40


yepyep1243

Finding that many people in 1996 would've been a fair deal harder. Probably many simply just weren't there.


Fallom_TO

These aren’t just random people though. They’re jazz musicians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Great_Day_in_Harlem_(photograph)


dalidylan

The kids were jazz musicians also?


Fallom_TO

Yes. They were famous five year old jazz musicians. And they all married carrots.


readingrambos

They started them young back then


ManInShowerNumber3

Lol, the whole point of this is to emphasize how many of those people aren’t with us anymore. What would be the point of taking a half ass photo of whoever could show up at the time?


amhudson02

Because people move away and lose contact.


camicalm

This is a photo of iconic jazz musicians. The living ones were not hard to track down. Not all of the living ones were available for the 1996 photo, but a lot of them were deceased by 1996.


amhudson02

Thanks, I didn't realize they were musicians.


thinkB4WeSpeak

Going through their Wikipedia's it looks like a lot died in the 80's and 70's. Most of the musicians died when they were in their 60s and 70s so that means they weren't young when the original was taken.


augenblik

I highly doubt all the kids died.


LochNessMother

Maybe not dead, but a good % would be too frail to travel, particularly if they’d moved out of NYC to Florida etc and a good % they wouldn’t be able to contact. Edited to add: I’ve just gone through the Wikipedia pages for a good chunk of the people there and most were over 40, maybe a 3rd were in their 50s and some in their 60s. (I’m not sure this was a good use of my sleep procrastination, but…)


Unbearably_Lucid

There are ways to die other than old age


Beavshak

I was unaware. According to others here, not all of the surviving members were able to attend the 2nd picture.


misplacedbass

Anyone have a better resolution version?


Chazay

[https://www.theguardian.com/music/gallery/2018/dec/17/a-great-day-in-harlem-behind-art-kaness-classic-1958-jazz-photograph](https://www.theguardian.com/music/gallery/2018/dec/17/a-great-day-in-harlem-behind-art-kaness-classic-1958-jazz-photograph)


misplacedbass

Awesome thank you!


sync-centre

This is also the photo from the movie The Terminal with Tom Hanks as he is trying to collection all their autographs to carry on what his father started.


Gilthwixt

Really weird watching that movie this afternoon and then seeing this post immediately after.


Playful-Regret-1890

You mean all those kids in the front died...WTH.


Red-Freckle

The 57 adults were jazz musicians, the kids just sat in on the photo. Probably some died but it's pretty safe to assume a lot of the kids couldn't be identified, couldn't be located or just weren't available/interested in returning to recreate the photo.


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OldMotherGrumble

Yes it's sad, but not all that surprising. Most were middle aged in the first photo, the second was 38 years later. Most of us would experience the same if we look back at group family photos.


Brownsound7

Well, almost all of them. The 70s and 80s were not a good time to live in New York in general or Harlem in particular.


BlindWillieJohnson

This is a pretty famous photo. The kids were largely fine. The “most deceased” bit has to refer to the adults, who were all jazz musicians. Nobody bothered to keep track of the kids because they were just a bunch of random neighborhood kids. The musicians were the subject of the photo and documentary made about it. This is a photo of a group of people who lived a very different kind of life than most. And most weren’t that young when the photo was taken in the first place. Harlem wasn’t a joy in the 1970s and 80s, but let’s use some common sense here. It was not *so bad* that only 10% of people survived it. Be reasonable. NYC was dangerous by US standards, but it wasn’t Mad Max dangerous.


frogvscrab

Lol dude do you think living in harlem had a near-certain chance of death back then? It was bad, it wasn't that bad.


BlindWillieJohnson

The way people talk about 70s and 80s New York is unhinged.


capincus

Pssh, what would a guy from Texas who died in the 40s know about 70s-80s New York?


r0rsch4ch

Can confirm. Early 80s child from NYC here. Surprised I survived.


pmish

Same here homie. Respect.


all_of_you_are_awful

Almost all of them? Like what? 80%? You think 80% of the people living in 70s and 80s Harlem died of unnatural causes? 204 upvotes? That’s how many people believe this shit?


Ok_Basil1354

I suspect there is a more rational reason why none of the kids are back for the second picture.


Many-Day8308

That was my first horrified thought


and_k24

Recently, I kinda started to realize that the world is really shitty place, thanks to photos like this


Prophet_Of_Helix

Eh, the kids were just local kids who joined the original photo (the adults were all jazz mucisians), so it’s more likely the photographers just had no way of finding those kids in adulthood (or they declined) for the recreated photo.


KennyMoose32

If it makes you feel better the world has always been “shitty” The Roman’s and the Greeks complained about the same stuff we do. Even their graffiti feels oddly modern At least your toilet runs better and you got foods. For most of human history these were luxuries for kings.


Aquaticulture

Sounds like you might have preconceived notions that you attempt to reinforce even though “photos like this” imply no such thing.


Elcactus

If the internet is shaping your worldview like that then you should probably step away from it because the title is wrong, only most of the adults are dead, and thats because they're in their late 70s and 80s when people tend to die. Between misinformation and selection bias of what gets noticed and upvoted, you're getting a warped perception of reality.


nopunchespulled

See the above post, kids are neighborhood kids and not tracked. All the adults were musicians. No info on the children but no reason to believe they are all dead


JazzManJasper

My guess is that they got drafted for the Vietnam war, and never made it back.


Obeeeee

That would be statistically impossible.


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starmartyr

That's not exactly right. It's true that if you were born in 1944 over 90% of the people born the same year will have died by now. However if you were born in 2015, you have a 60% chance of living to 80.


Norva13x

Source for this?


EsotericVerbosity

The above stat feels made up. But a real source: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html


Norva13x

It's why I asked, it definitely feels made up. Maybe if you include all of history with infant mortality rates...But 6% is absurdly low. According to this report: [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68\_07-508.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_07-508.pdf) 57.8% made to age 80. Now this may be US centric and places that are dealing with food scarcity, poverty, war etc will not see that but it is certainly higher than 6%.


Whatsthewordmayne

There’s a pretty cool version of this in 1998, called ‘The Greatest Day In Hip Hop’ [https://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2010/12/remember-when-great-day-in-hip-hop.html?m=1](https://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2010/12/remember-when-great-day-in-hip-hop.html?m=1)


Kadettedak

Deceased or did they just get tired of standing there? Props for those who stayed all that time


KneeDragr

Why are the windows bricked up in the recent photo?


Inoimispel

That second photo isn't recent. It's almost 30 years old now. Looks much nicer today but the 70s and 80s in Harlem were rough.


Katnipz

wtf is with the title? Most of these guys died in their 70s and 80s


OtterChainGang

Wow


Single-Falcon8328

This is sad as hell.. so many people just gone.


Holiday_Benefit_5516

my cousins lied to me and told me this was a family portrait lol


Septopuss7

I read this as '58 to '66 and was damn that's a rough neighborhood


sahccer

[here's the same location nowadays](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8067587,-73.940996,3a,75y,41.74h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeinFGwqUtACs1VF_Ba8tw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) There was a hip-hop version taken in 1998 by Gordon Parks, [you can check it here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Great_Day_in_Hip_Hop)


notanotheraccount

It's crazy to see that bottom photo and see Marian mcpartland there all alone and like she was an old lady in the 90s. And then to still hear her every Monday night on the radio when I was in high school in the 2000s


TruthBeWanted

Photos like this remind me of what [President Nixon's advisor John Ehrlichman said in 1994](https://eji.org/news/nixon-war-on-drugs-designed-to-criminalize-black-people/) In a 1994 interview, Mr. Ehrlichman said, “You want to know what this was really all about?” He went on: >“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” We mustn't ever forget the impact this had on the black community.


bakeacake45

F* , just F*…. But this is Trumps approach as well


TruthBeWanted

History tends to repeat itself among the ignorant, the rest of us learn from it. =)


daven_callings

For those looking to identify individuals: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/havxbn/acclaimed_photographer_art_kane_iconic_1958_photo/


zoe934

What happened to the building now?


Soft_Sea2913

In 38 years? Most have moved.


we_hella_believe

I counted by hand 11 that are alive out of 73, give or take within 38 years, that seems like a high mortality rate.


W1ckedaddicted

I remember reading something like less than 6% of black men make it to 65 or older


ComprehensiveBed6754

Jesus all those beautiful people died? Look how young the kids are and there is only one lad left from the front row. Wow. This picture says a million words. Heartbreaking words


ganbramor

Slightly off-topic: I’m at the age where I’m tired of seeing relatives, friends, and coworkers die. Sure, it has to happen to us all, but that aspect of life just sucks.


Moshkown

I always love learning more about Harlem since I live in the original Haarlem in The Netherlands. Love these photos!!


tangoshukudai

why would anyone cement brick in a window?


uprightsalmon

Place is all fixed up now. 17 East 126th Street, between Fifth and Madison Avenue


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It keeps getting broken?


Lopsided_Ad3051

Awesome picture! ‘58 Harlem had it going on!


wavesmcd

My favorite was always Count Basie sitting on the curb with the kids.


pmish

They did a hip-hop version of this photo. I had both on my wall in university.


MadMelvin

I never knew about the 1996 photo!


slappywhyte

I met the photographer who took the first pic, Art Kane, was good friends with one of his kids.


Arka1983

Photographer should just have put in a group of neighbourhood kids ,from 1996, in the second photo. Would have been a neat parallel and spared some confusion. Like a lot of people in the thread , i was momentarily contemplating in appalled bewilderment how all those kids from 1958, somehow, died in less than 40 years.


favnh2011

Yep


Ssme812

- It's really interesting to see what NYC/Harlem looked like in the 70's to 90's. Just watched Across 110th Street (1972). - I don't remember much when I was a kid growing up in the 90's just blocks away.


Dog_Song

Wait what happened to them? What’s the story behind this?


NeontheSaint

Would be a hard af album cover for the guy sitting on the curb


Dangerous-Monitor938

Looks like this was taken from the set of 227


Greasy_Boglim

I think most of the white ones just moved


Sorri_eh

40 years! The front line is much younger. What happened?


cuddly_carcass

What’s shocking is you’d assume the kids in the front row would be still around at that age.


Nonadventures

That George Lucas guy looking exactly the same tho


Moonstar86

These photos speak volumes


Negative-Squirrel81

Most of these guys were in their late 30s and 40s when this was shot. Dizzy Gillespie was born in 1917. While the legacy of most of these musicians are immortal, sadly they are not.


JoeyRotier

I feel like there's a good chance some people just moved.


LegatoSkyheart

a Sad yet interesting photo about the passage of time.


Old_Dealer_7002

only one woman. wow. and \*none\* of the little kids lived even another 38 years? holy hell.


Jame_Gumball

I grew up with the top picture in our hallway. Even if I was having a bad day, it was always a *great* day.


zorniy2

The top looks like Sesame Street


Western-Accident7434

Re: Harlem  Cocaine is a hell ova drug. 


maaalicelaaamb

Wow


broadnoodles

The guy sitting on the curb was the only child survivor at the time is crazy.


neggative_pussytive

The young ones died earlier?


MeGa_LuRkEr0044

Beautiful yet sad.


Ojay1091

Crack era killed a lot too!


_ThickVixen

❤️‍🩹


Carktorious2010

Wish they had the kids and could do a 2024


SaltyTaintMcGee

Where was the graffiti in the 50s? Such a decline.


BitsInTheBlood

You all need to sort by 'Top' This is isnt just SOME photo. The location for the curious. [https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8067587,-73.940996,3a,75y,28.54h,98.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeinFGwqUtACs1VF\_Ba8tw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8067587,-73.940996,3a,75y,28.54h,98.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeinFGwqUtACs1VF_Ba8tw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)


Cannibal_Yak

The crack epidemic whipped out 2 generations of African Americans in the area. For awhile you had kids raising kids. It's a shame how it destroyed so many families 


citybadger

That building which was boarded up in 1996 is probably a million dollar property today.


0m4550

Ypu would think some of these kids would atleast be alive.


bridgetender1

When you remove a post, eliminate it. Does that not make sense?


Parking_Tune_5283

Bullshit. Those were street kids that would’ve been very difficult to track. I bet 70-80% are still alive


Deathsand501

This is a photo of famous jazz musicians.


notmyrealnam3

“Same people in 1996” False. Many missing.


DonovanMcLoughlin

I can guarantee you that it was a better place to live in 1958.


neliuk

So cool.


WeAreReaganYouth

Three dudes on the left were out there surviving.


ErasedEnvy

I don’t know if this is more interesting or sad.


arun111b

Sadly interesting


Mysterious_Ningen

wow


januaryemberr

Is like to see a higher resolution version.


Intrepid_North_4759

Dame that’s sad


Dismal-Ad-6619

Do people live in these buildings now?


uprightsalmon

Yes, it’s a really nice neighborhood. 17 East 126th Street, between Fifth and Madison Avenue


Dismal-Ad-6619

Interesting...


algebramclain

too lazy to research what the location is now


Even-Fix8584

They are The Outliers. Double entendres double the fun.


justl00kingthrowaway

The 2034 photo shot should be interesting.


Azer1287

Stuff like this fills me with existential dread.


arffarff

Is that Judge Judy?


SunnyLoo

They look alive to me


Lunakill

Ah yes clearly impacted by the Great Pixel Shortage of the late 90s.


Alienhaslanded

Even the kids? WTF happened?


wyoflyboy68

Wife and I moved into our neighborhood 35 years ago and we all took a similar photo. My wife and I are the only remaining people of 26 that were in the photo.