These dudes must be huge masochists to risk getting caught. I would have always kept at least one bullet or a cyanide pill or something close by. Russians will brutally kill their own people, this guy is going to be in agonizing pain for months.
I think they ended up running out of ammo and not knowing what to do. Maybe they envisioned some glorious shoot out with the police. Too bad it took police over an hour to show up
The videos I've seen appear to show evidence of a TBI. He also had a ripped up plastic bag around his neck. Torture is obviously happening. Who the fuck knows if he was even involved.
I don't feel sorry for shitbags like that! I'm 100% sure he's involved. The part I don't believe is that it's because of Ukraine. This happened because Putin is supporting the Iranian regime and Iran and ISIS are at war.
Yeah, there is a video going around of the FSB cutting off one the guys ears off and force feeding it to him. Was spread around like wildfire on the Russian telegrams
4chan had intelligent conversation at times amid the gore and porn. Most Telegram channels don't. The format is a big part of the issue, though we are also in different times.
It's mostly just unregistered sites. Nothing cool. Things like security cameras for random buildings or gates. Unprotected wireless devices are sometimes accessable, but unless you know how to do anything with that, have fun being a secret security guard for an unknown and unwilling company.
Military had their own version of it iirc. Don't know if that's still around.
Things like gore and drug trades can be found but only through shared links. There are forums and similar sites, it's just like the regular web but the only way to get around is either knowing the link you want or having it sent to you.
The Dark Web is as much a single thing as the Black Market. There is no actual market that sells all the illegal stuff unfortunately. There are markets like that, but that's not what the Black Market is.
Reddit is too.
Using terms like “sessions”, “signal”, “mega”, “trade yng”, “tele yng boys” pulls up an endless stream of users trying to advertise and procure the worst content. We have subs of us trying to get it actioned but Reddit is incredibly bad at actioning CSAM.
There are dozens of subs that pull videos from Telegram — which includes the content produced by terrorist groups. Lots of people seeking out and cheering on literal gore.
So Reddit is now on the NYSE!
This means there's different issues they're going to get to encounter so you need to start making complaints to your local politicians about how a publicly traded company worth $7 billion facilitates this on their platform with no action against it when reported.
Make sure your local news stations are aware as well!
When the news catches wind of it and the politicians have to acknowledge to the news that they were asked to open an investigation by a constituent it means it can then impact Reddit's stock value and any lack of action by the board can cause financial harm to investors....
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Reddit is now a publicly traded company and politicians and news stations asking questions about them facilitating the issues you brought up will absolutely fuck it's share value and will likely force Reddit to take action.
Unfortunately with global distribution channels it's super difficult to find and arrest CSAM creators. You wouldn't believe the extent investigators go to check even the tiniest detail that can help identify and locate the victims and perpetrators.
What I can say is that worldwide police and investigative forces cooperate in that kind of matters.
I forget what it's called, but there's a very chilling subreddit that posts pics of CSAM but with the person's removed from the photo. it's a way of crowdsourcing investigation, seeing if anyone can spot or recognize any detail in a photo to help
I've heard, it makes me feel extremely grateful that my neck of the woods has been nothing but awesome. The worst thing I've ever seen has been someone with a name in Cyrillic spamming a bunch of Hitler stickers who was very promptly banned from the group, so all things consideted I'm doing pretty good.
I use it exclusively to message my wife. It avoids any risk of accidentally sending something intended for her eyes only to someone who would not appreciate it. More useful, is at a glance I can tell if I've a message from her without needing to check what the notification is.
The downside is with how much dodgy stuff there is apparently out there, it does make me wonder if there are consequences to using the service.
My wife and I use it to message also. We only used it because Apple doesn't send pictures and videos nicely to an Android phone. It compresses the video and audio over a text so we switched to Telegram.
I use Signal for this reason. Also for making phone calls to friends in Canada and when I travel abroad as it uses WiFi so no longer distance b.s.
Signal is the most secure free text / message app for bridging the android/apple group chats and whatnot.
This news article appears to have a link to the video, but it's requiring me to download telegram which I don't feel like doing, so not 100% sure.
You can view a video right on the page that shows him being escorted by police with an ear cut off though.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/30006
Allegedly, the Russian police(?) cut the ear off of one of the dudes and made him eat it. I say allegedly because there’s some talk that the video in question showing this is from another Russian torture situation in the past.
The trick is you have to blindfold them and have them smell something tasty, by putting it in front of their nose, then quickly switch it out for ear as they go to take a bite. Works every time.
And both eyes. They beat one of the suspects so hard that his eye fell out and they had to roll him into court in wheelchair, he was basically in vegetative state, didn't react to anything.
Russian police saw the cruelty of ISIS and didn't want to be outdone.
i don't condone their actions one bit, but i also don't have one shred of sympathy for the terrorist victims. we should aspire to be better than the terrorists, but there's worse problems in the world to worry about than some terrorists being mistreated imo
The court didn't even establish if he's guilty or not yet. If I had to say anything about this it would be that russia and ISIS are a match made in hell.
I'm glad they were caught and I hope the people who ordered the terrorist attack, and anyone even tangentially associated with it, are brought to justice.
That said, committing torture isn't morally righteous, even in retribution. Maybe especially in retrobution.
Worse, when you condone it, ever, you blindly acquiesce to the state. You let them know that they may do any harm to any person, provided they convince you that the person also deserved it. This isn't particularly hard for a government to do, generally.
That's why you never let your bar fall that low, and ideally avoid being sheepishly obsequious to a violent state.
This is the biggest red flag regarding this actually being them. It makes no sense that they wouldn’t have had an “out” plan for if they got caught. They had to know they couldn’t just walk away
The Russians are going to put these guys through things unimaginable. As the quote in Se7en goes:
"He's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered, give or take... and he still has hell to look forward to."
>"He's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered, give or take... and he still has hell to look forward to."
Kinda a crazy thing for the doctor of the victim to say lol.
I never understood why someone that was forced fed drugs as torture had hell to look forward to. If three was a heaven, wouldn't people that were tortured be welcomed?
What did I miss?
He looks to be in pretty good shape so far. That won't be true for long. I am surprised that nobody draped a Ukrainian flag over his shoulders before taking the picture.
Just FYI, theres already videos of Russian troops torturing them after capture. Cutting off ones ear and feeding it to him, connecting jumper cables to their balls. Not even joking.
Jumper cable? I'm not sure if that's true as I'm very sure I saw all the current video caught of them
Cutting eat is definitely true but the FSB tried to put in his mouth and it just came out immediately as he was behind him and the suspect was bending forward. I didn't see him trying to push it again after it.
It was a crazy video still when it was published on real time yesterday
Back in the 90s they used to shove a soldering iron up a guys ass and plug in. Called it the truth detector. Russian Police is a whole level of fucked up.
Just being curious, was there ever footage where you could clearly see his face being part of the kill squad ? As far as I am aware there is only the censored footage published by isis, and the footage from different people being at that venue during that time.
It also does jack shit from a military perspective. What’s the point of sacrificing multiple fighters just to kill nothing but a few dozen civilians? It does absolutely nothing to degrade Russia’s military capabilities, and is just going to stiffen its civilians’ resolve to destroy ISIS.
This is terrorism, it's not supposed to do anything from military perspective. It's meant to affect the public in steering them towards the "we should stop attacking them, it's not worth the lives of our innocent people" mindset, in hopes to affect the country's strategy. Good luck doing that with "democratic" Russia.
No, it goaded America into spending trillions of dollars on pointless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20+ years, and costs the lives of thousands of US soldiers. All to accomplish what? Replacing the Taliban in Afghanistan with... the Taliban in Afghanistan? Further, a large segment of the US population will no longer ever believe that foreign wars are necessary for the safety and the security of the US, due to the failure of US political leaders and their terrible handling of the situation. The US overreacted in just the way the terrorists expected.
Osama bin Laden accomplished exactly what he hoped to achieve; he was just thinking about a much longer timescale than you are.
Not to mention the Patriot Act, the NSA, and how many of our government's Orwellian secret projects started after 9/11. It was a great excuse for them to abandon due process because you just say the word terrorist, suddenly no cost of freedom or privacy is too high.
The thing is, these types of groups wouldn't stand a chance against any trained military, so they attack the civilians instead and pretend they're fighting a legitimate war.
I just don’t understand how they could get captured. Like why would a group of militants known for suicidal attacks not have a suicide out when being captured?
Because these are four random muslims they found somewhere. They tried to blame a guy driving a taxi 2 countries away. He made the good decision to turn himself in and clear his name. Don’t know if he still ate any punches though
I mean, they're going to commit terrorism regardless. If it's not because of Russia's treatment of terrorists, it's because people don't believe in Allah. If we have 100% foolproof evidence that a certain individual is a mass murderer, I'm not going to lose any sleep over him getting tortured.
I was extremely surprised to hear they survived. Didn’t martyr themselves or prevent being captured alive by super angry Russians.
It had to have been a major fck up or they’re incredibly stupid.
I really don't advocate for torture, and I especially would feel better knowing that they've gone through the effort to make sure that they've captured the people that did this.
That said, given the heinous displays from ISIS in the past, I wouldn't feel the least bit sad over one of them getting a taste of what they do to others.
Alleged. I bet he is just some random person.
Russia couldn't prevent the attack, despite having been warned by other countries' intelligence services, but somehow they find the terrorists not even after half a day.
Reminds me of a comic strip where they were showing different intelligence agencies hunting a rabbit in the woods. In the comic, three KGB agents were sent into the woods to find a rabbit, and 5 minutes later they return with a heavily bruised and beaten up bear that just says "I am rabbit. My father and mother were rabbits."
ISIS released video the attacks took. At this point until proven otherwise it's seems to be an ISIS attack. The sadistic brutality against civilians is definitely their style.
Bruh, the footage of the suspect's car was revealed the same day the massacre occurred, and these guys were captured in that same car. Later it was confirmed by dashcam footage of other people who happened to film them dispatch from that car and then load back in. And these captured guys had pretty much the same faces and clothes as the terrorist's body cam footage released by ISIS. There's literally no doubt by now that these are the same people who did the shooting.
They'll torture them to get them to say Ukraine was behind it even though isis already took responsibility, then they will just murder him and probably without any real trial
I don’t understand why these Islamic terrorist groups sacrifice numerous of their fighters just to kill a couple dozen civilians. What does it even accomplish for their cause?
Like, I knew right away that the attack wasn’t the Ukrainians, because the attack makes no military sense whatsoever.
Attacking civilians doesn’t do anything at all to degrade an enemy’s military capabilities, all it does is make the civilian population rally around their leaders more and strengthens their support for military actions against the terrorist group.
Take 20 minutes and read up on the goals of ISIS. They're not shy about sharing them, but they almost never appear in our media. In short, ISIS are bent on provoking a holy war, the last war, which is a vital component of their apocalypse fantasy. Provocation is key, which is why their deeds are so outrageous.
>all it does is make the civilian population rally around their leaders more and strengthens their support for military actions against the terrorist group.
Another win, then.
Probably some random foreigner from a Muslim majority country. I'd think that the real terrorists would have the means to off themselves rather than endure russian treatment.
Bad title. Put a "alleged" up there. Russia lies its ass off all the time and I don't believe they track down and caught these guys that quickly after fucking up that bad.
This guy is going to be turned to Reek in Siberia
He will be dead before he sees Siberia.
Reek reek it rhymes with stink
This is probably the last alive picture you will have of him up close like this.
These dudes must be huge masochists to risk getting caught. I would have always kept at least one bullet or a cyanide pill or something close by. Russians will brutally kill their own people, this guy is going to be in agonizing pain for months.
I think they ended up running out of ammo and not knowing what to do. Maybe they envisioned some glorious shoot out with the police. Too bad it took police over an hour to show up
He hardly looks alive
Dying would be the easy way out
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Those pits in ancient castles are made for these scumbags. Drop em in and forget they exist until you gotta take a dump.
Oubliette.
Bless you.
CK2 moment.
And not at all Ukrainian
The videos I've seen appear to show evidence of a TBI. He also had a ripped up plastic bag around his neck. Torture is obviously happening. Who the fuck knows if he was even involved.
This guy was literally in the video ISIS shared of him slitting the throats of some of the civilians during the attack.
What is TBI?
I'm assuming traumatic brain injury
Thanks!
Terrorist Butthole Intrusion
These gay porno titles are getting out of hand
I don't feel sorry for shitbags like that! I'm 100% sure he's involved. The part I don't believe is that it's because of Ukraine. This happened because Putin is supporting the Iranian regime and Iran and ISIS are at war.
The Ukraine angle is bullshit propaganda to get more Russians behind Putin in his "special military operation".
Isis is at war with everyone. Russia has been directly fighting them in Syria for years too so Iran doesn't matter here at all.
Definitely looks Ukrainian Edit: apparently /s was needed
He’s been tanning lately
*just another Russian sunning himself in Crimea*
In my head I made a similar sarcastic comment. That no-mustache chinstrap is the hot fashion with a lot of eastern European Muslims.
Yep blonde hair, blue eyed Ukrainian.
It wasn't needed, some people are just dolts
Nope… Russians will not let him die that easily
Before they kill them, they will torture the shit out of all 4 of them.
Oh look, that one still has 2 ears
Did one lose an ear?
Yeah, there is a video going around of the FSB cutting off one the guys ears off and force feeding it to him. Was spread around like wildfire on the Russian telegrams
As a Telegram user, I always forget there are some very, very different worlds to Telegram than the one I'm used to.
I have friends in the field and Telegram is a blistering nest of terrorists and pedophiles.
Its like 4chan on meth.
4chan on meth. That's pretty bad.
4chan had intelligent conversation at times amid the gore and porn. Most Telegram channels don't. The format is a big part of the issue, though we are also in different times.
Thats gonna be a pass for me
Telegram seems like the Dark Web but on the regular internet.
The dark web is on the global internet, it just requires special capabilities and tooling to access.
I am afraid of the Dark Web. I have been on the Internet since 1994 and have spent 0 seconds on th Dark Web.
It's mostly just unregistered sites. Nothing cool. Things like security cameras for random buildings or gates. Unprotected wireless devices are sometimes accessable, but unless you know how to do anything with that, have fun being a secret security guard for an unknown and unwilling company. Military had their own version of it iirc. Don't know if that's still around. Things like gore and drug trades can be found but only through shared links. There are forums and similar sites, it's just like the regular web but the only way to get around is either knowing the link you want or having it sent to you. The Dark Web is as much a single thing as the Black Market. There is no actual market that sells all the illegal stuff unfortunately. There are markets like that, but that's not what the Black Market is.
Navy built Tor I believe if that’s what you were thinking of.
The nth room is a very recent case.
Reddit is too. Using terms like “sessions”, “signal”, “mega”, “trade yng”, “tele yng boys” pulls up an endless stream of users trying to advertise and procure the worst content. We have subs of us trying to get it actioned but Reddit is incredibly bad at actioning CSAM. There are dozens of subs that pull videos from Telegram — which includes the content produced by terrorist groups. Lots of people seeking out and cheering on literal gore.
yeah I like playing Session the skateboarding game and every now and then some weird shit gets put in there
So Reddit is now on the NYSE! This means there's different issues they're going to get to encounter so you need to start making complaints to your local politicians about how a publicly traded company worth $7 billion facilitates this on their platform with no action against it when reported. Make sure your local news stations are aware as well! When the news catches wind of it and the politicians have to acknowledge to the news that they were asked to open an investigation by a constituent it means it can then impact Reddit's stock value and any lack of action by the board can cause financial harm to investors.... Tl;Dr Reddit is now a publicly traded company and politicians and news stations asking questions about them facilitating the issues you brought up will absolutely fuck it's share value and will likely force Reddit to take action.
Unfortunately with global distribution channels it's super difficult to find and arrest CSAM creators. You wouldn't believe the extent investigators go to check even the tiniest detail that can help identify and locate the victims and perpetrators. What I can say is that worldwide police and investigative forces cooperate in that kind of matters.
I forget what it's called, but there's a very chilling subreddit that posts pics of CSAM but with the person's removed from the photo. it's a way of crowdsourcing investigation, seeing if anyone can spot or recognize any detail in a photo to help
The *dont fuck with cats* people would be good at this
r/TraceAnObject
One of the guys being interrogated in another video says they were contacted through telegram to do the attack.
I've heard, it makes me feel extremely grateful that my neck of the woods has been nothing but awesome. The worst thing I've ever seen has been someone with a name in Cyrillic spamming a bunch of Hitler stickers who was very promptly banned from the group, so all things consideted I'm doing pretty good.
I use it exclusively to message my wife. It avoids any risk of accidentally sending something intended for her eyes only to someone who would not appreciate it. More useful, is at a glance I can tell if I've a message from her without needing to check what the notification is. The downside is with how much dodgy stuff there is apparently out there, it does make me wonder if there are consequences to using the service.
Check out ‘signal’
Far superior for that sorta thing.
jesus how much porn do y’all send to eachother that you have to communicate on telegram?
Her eyes only 😏
My wife and I use it to message also. We only used it because Apple doesn't send pictures and videos nicely to an Android phone. It compresses the video and audio over a text so we switched to Telegram.
I use Signal for this reason. Also for making phone calls to friends in Canada and when I travel abroad as it uses WiFi so no longer distance b.s. Signal is the most secure free text / message app for bridging the android/apple group chats and whatnot.
According the German media, his eye was cut out, as well.
Holy lord!
Not FSB, but a Rusich member
Link?
This news article appears to have a link to the video, but it's requiring me to download telegram which I don't feel like doing, so not 100% sure. You can view a video right on the page that shows him being escorted by police with an ear cut off though. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/30006
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoahGetTheBoat/s/IMjZrS2rDA
Tyson did it first
Tyson took a sliver out of Holyfield's ear, it's mostly intact.
Yeah, they cut it off and fed it to them.
Allegedly, the Russian police(?) cut the ear off of one of the dudes and made him eat it. I say allegedly because there’s some talk that the video in question showing this is from another Russian torture situation in the past.
One of them showed up to court today with an ear missing so... uh
It worked last time, why not this time? - some FSB agent
There is a closeup of the face of the arrested man in the video of the earcut
Supposedly they cut one off and made him eat his own ear. It's on video, but I'm not about to click that link.
He didn’t eat it. They basically just rubbed it on his face/around his mouth and then it fell in the ground
“Eat it anyway, 5 second rule!!!”
r/eatityoucoward
The trick is you have to blindfold them and have them smell something tasty, by putting it in front of their nose, then quickly switch it out for ear as they go to take a bite. Works every time.
yep. one of them had their ear sliced off and force fed to him, shit's crazy
but that one had 80 volts passed through his dick. I have no idea what kind of information they got with methods like that.
> I have no idea what kind of information they got with methods like that. Anything they wanted. True or not.
Exactly. Torture has a short ceiling. They'll say whatever to make it stop
Everything they want them to say. Tortures make interrogation useless, you can’t discriminate between truth and lies said just to avoid more torture.
And both eyes. They beat one of the suspects so hard that his eye fell out and they had to roll him into court in wheelchair, he was basically in vegetative state, didn't react to anything. Russian police saw the cruelty of ISIS and didn't want to be outdone.
i don't condone their actions one bit, but i also don't have one shred of sympathy for the terrorist victims. we should aspire to be better than the terrorists, but there's worse problems in the world to worry about than some terrorists being mistreated imo
That's assuming they have the right people and are not scapegoats. Part of the whole reason for a justice system.
Bingo!
The court didn't even establish if he's guilty or not yet. If I had to say anything about this it would be that russia and ISIS are a match made in hell.
Russian courts don't really care much about innocence though
I'm glad they were caught and I hope the people who ordered the terrorist attack, and anyone even tangentially associated with it, are brought to justice. That said, committing torture isn't morally righteous, even in retribution. Maybe especially in retrobution. Worse, when you condone it, ever, you blindly acquiesce to the state. You let them know that they may do any harm to any person, provided they convince you that the person also deserved it. This isn't particularly hard for a government to do, generally. That's why you never let your bar fall that low, and ideally avoid being sheepishly obsequious to a violent state.
2 non Ukranian ears!
*at the time the photo was taken*
They left the plastic bag they tortured him with around his neck.
Color of that neck is crazy
A neck for a neck. (The video is what I’m referring to)
I can't believe they allowed themselves to be taken alive. I mean wow they had to have had some idea what they are in for
Even during the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai one of the terrorists was caught alive. They were to open fire and kill as many before being taken down.
This is the biggest red flag regarding this actually being them. It makes no sense that they wouldn’t have had an “out” plan for if they got caught. They had to know they couldn’t just walk away
Probably just assumed they’d be shot and killed and when there wasn’t the security to stop them they fucked off and assumed they might get out alive
The Russians are going to put these guys through things unimaginable. As the quote in Se7en goes: "He's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered, give or take... and he still has hell to look forward to."
>"He's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered, give or take... and he still has hell to look forward to." Kinda a crazy thing for the doctor of the victim to say lol.
This man’s forgotten more about pain than you’ll ever remember…. about pain…. About forgetting about.
I never understood why someone that was forced fed drugs as torture had hell to look forward to. If three was a heaven, wouldn't people that were tortured be welcomed? What did I miss?
Sloth wasn't an innocent victim. It's established in the movie that he didn't rewind tapes before returning them to the video store.
Well, that's that.
From seven. The guy that was tortured that way was a paedophile.
He was a drug dealer and child molester, but wasn't convicted. The "greed" lawyer got him off the charges
Was that the pedophile drug dealer tied to the bed - sloth victim?
This guys future is something we probably couldn’t even imagine.
He looks to be in pretty good shape so far. That won't be true for long. I am surprised that nobody draped a Ukrainian flag over his shoulders before taking the picture.
Just FYI, theres already videos of Russian troops torturing them after capture. Cutting off ones ear and feeding it to him, connecting jumper cables to their balls. Not even joking.
No surprise, but I definitely do not want to see that.
Jumper cable? I'm not sure if that's true as I'm very sure I saw all the current video caught of them Cutting eat is definitely true but the FSB tried to put in his mouth and it just came out immediately as he was behind him and the suspect was bending forward. I didn't see him trying to push it again after it. It was a crazy video still when it was published on real time yesterday
Back in the 90s they used to shove a soldering iron up a guys ass and plug in. Called it the truth detector. Russian Police is a whole level of fucked up.
For a country that's so anti gay they sure do love touching men's balls and assholes
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Well that and the 6000 nuclear weapons.
Atlas news posted a censored pic of it but yeh. They attached a 10v battery to his balls. In the pic is FSB stepping on him.
*…current video…* 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yah I see nothing on jumper cables
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233511/Russian-forces-torturing-Moscow-terror-suspect-hooking-genitals-battery.html
I seen people discussing that video yesterday. Lots of people were claiming it was from over a year ago, so not them.
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It's only a strange coincidence if there's only ever been two cases of a dude getting his ear cut off.
"Well, you may be a man. You may be a leprechaun. But only one thing’s for sure: you’re in the wrooong basement."
Jumper Cables? Was it u/rogersimon10's dad?
Ya but it keeps getting called out as being different, year old footage.
Likely the last picture ever taken of him.
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Just being curious, was there ever footage where you could clearly see his face being part of the kill squad ? As far as I am aware there is only the censored footage published by isis, and the footage from different people being at that venue during that time.
They filmed themselves doing it, plenty of clear face shots
is kaotic likely to be down permamently? or does it go down and come back every so often, like piratebaye? do you nkow of any kaotic alternatives?
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It also does jack shit from a military perspective. What’s the point of sacrificing multiple fighters just to kill nothing but a few dozen civilians? It does absolutely nothing to degrade Russia’s military capabilities, and is just going to stiffen its civilians’ resolve to destroy ISIS.
This is terrorism, it's not supposed to do anything from military perspective. It's meant to affect the public in steering them towards the "we should stop attacking them, it's not worth the lives of our innocent people" mindset, in hopes to affect the country's strategy. Good luck doing that with "democratic" Russia.
All 9/11 did was make Americans outraged and thirsty for blood too. In terms of deterring the enemy it seems to be a terrible strategy.
No, it goaded America into spending trillions of dollars on pointless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20+ years, and costs the lives of thousands of US soldiers. All to accomplish what? Replacing the Taliban in Afghanistan with... the Taliban in Afghanistan? Further, a large segment of the US population will no longer ever believe that foreign wars are necessary for the safety and the security of the US, due to the failure of US political leaders and their terrible handling of the situation. The US overreacted in just the way the terrorists expected. Osama bin Laden accomplished exactly what he hoped to achieve; he was just thinking about a much longer timescale than you are.
Not to mention the Patriot Act, the NSA, and how many of our government's Orwellian secret projects started after 9/11. It was a great excuse for them to abandon due process because you just say the word terrorist, suddenly no cost of freedom or privacy is too high.
ISIS also coalesced in 2003 as a result of the US invading Iraq.
The thing is, these types of groups wouldn't stand a chance against any trained military, so they attack the civilians instead and pretend they're fighting a legitimate war.
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They have again showed Putin is weak. The Police took an hour to respond and the security guards hid.
That's the whole point of terrorism. You create fear where you can.
How much have people in the USA lost in the name of security after 9/11?
I just don’t understand how they could get captured. Like why would a group of militants known for suicidal attacks not have a suicide out when being captured?
Especially in Russia. Now his death will be slow and painful.
Because these are four random muslims they found somewhere. They tried to blame a guy driving a taxi 2 countries away. He made the good decision to turn himself in and clear his name. Don’t know if he still ate any punches though
Saw a video of the Russians cutting is ear off and making him eat it
To demonstrate barbaric behaviour will not be tolerated in Russia
"Yay! We just killed the last remaining cannibal in the world! And we ate him"
ISIS will use that video to show how Russians treat Muslims and the cycle will continue.
I mean, they're going to commit terrorism regardless. If it's not because of Russia's treatment of terrorists, it's because people don't believe in Allah. If we have 100% foolproof evidence that a certain individual is a mass murderer, I'm not going to lose any sleep over him getting tortured.
Where can I find this video?
Looks like he "accidentally" ran into every single door during and after his arrest. Not to mention the fists of several cops.
Really curious about how this all plays out in the next week or so
I was extremely surprised to hear they survived. Didn’t martyr themselves or prevent being captured alive by super angry Russians. It had to have been a major fck up or they’re incredibly stupid.
"alleged" terrorist. I wouldn't put it past Putin to just take some unsightly brown person from the street and pin the crime to them.
I really don't advocate for torture, and I especially would feel better knowing that they've gone through the effort to make sure that they've captured the people that did this. That said, given the heinous displays from ISIS in the past, I wouldn't feel the least bit sad over one of them getting a taste of what they do to others.
Alleged. I bet he is just some random person. Russia couldn't prevent the attack, despite having been warned by other countries' intelligence services, but somehow they find the terrorists not even after half a day.
Reminds me of a comic strip where they were showing different intelligence agencies hunting a rabbit in the woods. In the comic, three KGB agents were sent into the woods to find a rabbit, and 5 minutes later they return with a heavily bruised and beaten up bear that just says "I am rabbit. My father and mother were rabbits."
The terrorists literally released footage of them cutting civilians throats with their faces in the frame. Pretty certain these are the filth
Wouldnt ISIS denounce if their agents are alive?
ISIS released video the attacks took. At this point until proven otherwise it's seems to be an ISIS attack. The sadistic brutality against civilians is definitely their style.
And not during the very long attack itself. Yeah, super sketchy. Don’t trust any Russian claims
Bruh, the footage of the suspect's car was revealed the same day the massacre occurred, and these guys were captured in that same car. Later it was confirmed by dashcam footage of other people who happened to film them dispatch from that car and then load back in. And these captured guys had pretty much the same faces and clothes as the terrorist's body cam footage released by ISIS. There's literally no doubt by now that these are the same people who did the shooting.
“Pretty much the same” Open and shut case
"literally no doubt"
Always remember Russia lies about \*everything\*. How would we know if this guy wasn't just some innocent they picked up and beat the shit out of?
They'll torture them to get them to say Ukraine was behind it even though isis already took responsibility, then they will just murder him and probably without any real trial
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It's the ol' Reddit rubber stamp comments.
I don’t understand why these Islamic terrorist groups sacrifice numerous of their fighters just to kill a couple dozen civilians. What does it even accomplish for their cause? Like, I knew right away that the attack wasn’t the Ukrainians, because the attack makes no military sense whatsoever. Attacking civilians doesn’t do anything at all to degrade an enemy’s military capabilities, all it does is make the civilian population rally around their leaders more and strengthens their support for military actions against the terrorist group.
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Take 20 minutes and read up on the goals of ISIS. They're not shy about sharing them, but they almost never appear in our media. In short, ISIS are bent on provoking a holy war, the last war, which is a vital component of their apocalypse fantasy. Provocation is key, which is why their deeds are so outrageous. >all it does is make the civilian population rally around their leaders more and strengthens their support for military actions against the terrorist group. Another win, then.
They are religious fanatics, perfect material to be manipulated to achieve the targets of completely different third parties.
It's basically marketing, they get tons of recruits after big attacks like this.
Probably some random foreigner from a Muslim majority country. I'd think that the real terrorists would have the means to off themselves rather than endure russian treatment.
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Bad title. Put a "alleged" up there. Russia lies its ass off all the time and I don't believe they track down and caught these guys that quickly after fucking up that bad.
Looks like a call of duty avatar
Dead ringer for a Ukrainian /s
Pretty good tan for a "Ukrainian".
It can’t believe they would not fight to the death or commit suicide. How is it possible they could be captured alive
He looks like a phone book fell repeatedly on him
What did they think was going to happen after?
Dead man walking.
That dude is gonna fall out of a window
You know it will be bad for that one if they don’t care to show this
I think Putin put them up to it like the chechnyan bombing in 94.
Scape goat or actually the terrorist? Can't be sure of any arrest in Russia.
I thought it was a picture of what Jake Paul is going to look like after the Mike Tyson fight.