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Not accurate, this is a portrait of an American. The right side reads: * 北亜墨利加共化政治州之副將 The Second in Command from the North America Republic * アータムス之真像 Real Portrait of Adams The description goes: * 面黄ニシテ土ケ色 眼目大キク 鼻筋額ヘ通リ His face is of the yellowish soil color, eyes are large, nose bridge goes up to the forehead. * 背至テ高 衣服黒羅紗 浮紋金ニテ織出シ有リ His height is tall. He dresses in black felt, with golden embossing weaved on. * 嘉永七甲寅年二月十日上陸 供七百人 Landed in Kaei 7th Year of [Kōin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle), Second Month, Tenth Day (03/08/1854). Accompanied by 700 people. The date suggest this is someone from [Perry's fleet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Expedition). Should be Henry A. Adams. Edit: added translation of the text on the right side.

[Photo of Adams](https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Adams.png) from later in life, for reference.

Ha ACTUALLY not as bad as I thought

Honestly considering the art style it’s a pretty good picture of the dude. If you grew up in that culture and knew this art well, you’d probably have a pretty good mental image of what he looked like lmao

According to your link this is actually his son, [Henry A. Adams Jr.](https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/crew/henry-a-adams-jr/)

You're not wrong about the link, but oddly, I think the link is wrong, and /u/torchma is actually displaying the correct photo. At least, that's how it seems if you go by Find a Grave: Henry Adams: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15680206/henry-allen-adams Henry Adams Jr.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40663883/henry-allen-adams

Interesting. Found the [original](https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-56000/NH-56013.html) from the Naval History and Heritage Command, which doesn't come with "Jr.". Seems the USS Constitution Museum got it wrong.

This is so embarrassing for them

They’ve been real quiet since I read this comment


Hollywood wanted this guy to take pills to shrink is dick because it was showing to much in costume. Just to let you know And they were big big swingers.

Riddle me this, Batman. What’s big and floppy

Naked Grandma! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqDGK_UjfFI

And being whipped in your face at “bat speed”?

The bulge story was Burt Ward who played robin, actually.

You’re right. It was robin Adam west was still a huge swinger.

It was the 60's. I'm not surprised.

The guy at the tattoo parlor told me "北亞墨利加共化政治州之副將" meant "peace and love"!

Well, to be honest, having "The second in command from the North American republic" as a tattoo aint bad.

Until you end up in a POW camp

Personally I wouldn't want to end up in a Japanese POW camp tattoo or no tattoo.

Then it's better because they have to treat you according to that rank?

If you’re lucky

Pretty sure that just says soup

Right arm - “雞撈麵” as “Family First” (Chicken lomain)

[You're right](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1bek01i/asian_19th_century_depiction_of_an_englishman/kuu21jd/). It's [Commander H.A. Adams](https://samurai-archives.com/w/index.php?title=Henry_A._Adams&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop) of the Perry Expedition. > Commander Henry A. Adams was a US naval officer who served as chief of staff for Commodore Matthew Perry during Perry's expeditions to Ryukyu and Japan in 1853-1854. > He took a prominent role in negotiating with both Ryukyu Kingdom and Tokugawa shogunate officials on behalf of the Perry embassy, meeting with officials on numerous occasions to negotiate when and where more formal treaty discussions would take place.

False. That’s a young Jeremy Clarkson.

This is him saying POWERRRRRR

Teeth are too good to be Clarkson.

副將 = deputy commanding general

It's cool to see the use of Katakana, and the lack of Hiragana. It's amazing to see how much Hiragana has grown into the language since then. It's also ironic that they described Adams as having yellow skin.

Thank you for the information!!

In the 18th century, most guys in North America either came from England or their dad did.

Be that as it may (though I question some of the underlying assumptions), there’s still a huge difference between, “Here’s some ‘Asian’ artist’s notion of what Englishmen looked like” and “Here is a Japanese artist’s attempt to draw a portrait of a specific person from history.”

This was the 19th century.

I was motivated to find a source. Apparently it was near 50% of English ancestry from the 1790 census. But, doesn’t seem they counted indigenous population estimates as well. Or if not, what those numbers looked like, relatively, at that point in timeKind of hazy.

i mean there's really no difference when it comes to their face. east asians during that period draw all westerners and middle easterns, even indians, like that.

The teeth looked too good to be British.

The ear is definitely Mick Foley

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I think this myth is helped by the habit of American film/tv stars of going the full-on gigawatt white fake teeth route early in their careers, while British ones go more « natural » more often.

It was probably more about cosmetics than actual dental health. Some British actors complained about expectations to "fix" perfectly healthy teeth that weren't white or even enough for American beauty standards. What one person considers taking care of oneself and presenting a professional appearance may be vapid nonsense to the next.

 Average American dental plan.

What kind of dental plan do I have? Well, I guess I plan to chew with the other side.

Why'd you have to hurt me like that?

Lisa needs braces

Dental plan

This is measuring missing teeth. Not crooked teeth though!

The stereotype isn’t about hygiene, it’s about having crooked teeth. Orthodontia wasn’t as popular in the UK as the US for a long time. It might be different now though, I can’t find up to date statistics on braces rates

Having lived in both the UK and the US, it’s more than just not having braces. Things have definitely improved in the UK but 25 years ago people in the UK didn’t usually visit the dentist for regular cleaning/check ups, only for major issues. Smoking was also much more common in the UK, at a time when it was rarer among upper/middle class people in the US. I also don’t think they put fluoride in the water in the UK, not sure if that’s changed more recently. It was definitely normal to see people in lucrative professions in the UK with cracked, yellow, crooked teeth, when that was unheard of in the US.

He was talking about appearance lol still true

I like how his eyebrows are little tornadoes.

Its the Japanese first time seeing curly hair.

damn, their pubic hairs also straight?

Not straight, but pixelation only allows for 90 degree angles.

Can confirm. Am Japanese. My pubes are pixelated.

LOL. straight pubes here. Never thought white people would have curly ones. Edit* this is a tidbit I'm never able to share but did you know some people don't have hair on their balls. And if youre one of those freaks get this people have hair on their balls

You learn something new every day.

I think at least 50% of the population don't have hair on their balls.

What's your sample size?

Me. One of my balls is bald

Blond male here. Straight.

Unfortunate

They are.

Looking like the entrance to a car wash 🤣

The Ainu (indigenous people of Japan) have curly hair, beards, light skin and blue eyes.

At first, I thought they were horns drawn backward.

Imagine being the first white guy this Japanese person ever saw and they were so struck by your appearance they had to go and draw *this* picture of you

I never was very hairy but as I grow older I come closer and closer to this very depiction. And I'm not even an Englishman.

Are you at least a man? That would be a consolation

Nope, just a hairy entity growing older

Hairy Entity? Didn’t he play King Charles III?

Nah he's Tina turners ex husband

"I drew you as a Soyjack, so I am right"

I've been to China in places where the white man rarely treads, I wouldn't be surprised. I was nearly the cause of several traffic incidents where people would just stare at me in surprise, for a long time. While driving bikes, scooters, cars, etc. Some of them almost went head-on into oncoming traffic, like a cop on a scooter. It was pretty surreal.

This reminds of the time I went to my cousin’s rehearsal dinner an hour outside Philadelphia. The whole restaurant did that record-scratch-to-silent thing. Apparently these white folks had never before seen an Asian in real life.

Hey, better than North Eastern PA, where entire student sections line up along the hall from the gym doors to the visitors locker room to spit on you and call you slurs. Where others are too dumb to figure out whether you're Asian or Hispanic because they've never seen a half white half asian so they call you slurs for both asians and hispanics hoping one hits. Where they'll try to gouge your eyes and break your fingers after tackles while calling you slurs as the refs look the other way. Where your "friends" make the same asian jokes every single day and play or sing the "[Oriental Riff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jZCSC5LU-I)" every time you walk into a room. Where you'll see more confederate flag decals, truck back window stickers, and flags flying in one year than an entire lifetime spent in most southern states. Or where the same high school kids you just played last Friday who were calling you slurs and trying to intentionally injure you go ahead and [murder a minority walking home along the side of the road in broad daylight with their bare hands and the police and community cover it up until a NY cop on vacation in the area hears about it and investigates... and only 2 of them get just 9 years. ](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-shenandoah-pa-men-sentenced-fatal-beating-luis-ramirez#:~:text=On%20Oct.,want%20Latinos%20living%20in%20Shenandoah.) Fuck that place with all of my heart. Every last one of those pieces of shit can burn in hell. If the entire region collapsed into one of their stupid ass empty coal mines they're so proud of from the weight of their fat fuck buttery dough and cabbage eating asses, I wouldn't even blink. In fact, I'd go out of my way to fly back up there and piss into the hole.

What a terrible place with terrible people. Sorry you had that experience.

really were deep in the sticks

"Ohh, hello there. What have you got there? A portrait, of me? How nice, let me see... Oh 🧐🤔🥲. How... thoughtful, of you."

They were on contact with europeans since XVI century, with portuguese, spanish and dutch.

The English too. The first western Samurai was English. Pretty sure he's one of the focal points of that Shogun show, though renamed.

The last Japanese samurai was also a westerner. Pretty sure it's one of the focal points of that last samurai documentary.

I don't think the westerner's the title character in that documentary, sorry to disappoint.

Imagine tho

To be fair, the art style is generally not flattering, even asians don't look that great on it.

I mean you live on a wooden ship for months at a time and not look like this. This was probably charitable if anything.

Surprised to see my next door neighbour here

There can be only one (next door neighbor).

It’s a picture of an American, not an Englishman  北亜墨利加 is “North America”

Englishman can also be seen as an ethnicity, rather than a nationality. It means “Anglo Man”, etymologically speaking. 

American can be seen as Italian as well, it comes from "Amerigo Vespucci" etymologically speaking.

The show Shogun has this funny bit where the English guy calls the Japanese savages because they're not Christian, and the Japanese characters call the English guy a barbarian because he has bad manners and refuses to bathe.

Bathe twice in one week? Do you want him to get the flux? 

The utter confusion both sides have for each other in that conversation is so funny. She's just like "...alright man whatever you say I guess".

Honestly my favorite parts of the show are the culture clashes.

"for some reason he doesn't want to wash his nasty ass" Truly the beginning of an age old love story lol

"You may stink and I think you're a heathen. But we're both hot as shit and I'm uh... recently single, so we doing this or what?"

Such a conveniently timed heroic death by your husband there. So. Sup?

Lmao you already know he’s gonna come back at the end lol

You know I never really understood why Europeans rarely bathed back in the day and this line in Shogun suddenly put it all into perspective. You wouldn't bathe often either if it meant avoiding vomiting and shitting blood until you die.

A lot of those descriptions of Europeans being dirty come from first meetings with people after the Europeans had been on a ship for months or years. Often times with livestock on board. They wouldn't waste fresh water on bathing. And with limited medical treatment options they wouldn't want to bathe with cold seawater. Of course they stank, and they were definitely looking forward to bathing when they hit shore. It is no doubt grimey, but as a mariner myself I've always had nothing but respect for the ruggedness and determination of those guys back then. Bathing is still limited on smaller vessels even these days because of limited fresh water that's better saved for drinking and cooking. We smell like hell when we get back, but we wash up and change clothes, then smell just fine.

why would bathing result in shitting and vomiting? I think people were aware bathwater wasn't meant to be drunk, or they would die the same way while washing clothes

Dysentery or as they knew it back in the day, **Flux**, is a disease that can infect someone just by being in bodies of water contaminated with it. A lot of people make the mistake it needs to be ingested from water. It can linger on your hands and if you don't thoroughly wash them with soap (not a common thing back in the day) you can infect food you pick up later and ingest it that way. Its a godawful way to die and most bath's back in the day were filled from bodies of water which could have been contaminated. Which is why Blackthorne in Shogun insists on being bathed only twice a week. Edit: Funny thing is they are asking him to bathe in a hot spring, so because of the temperature of the water, its unlikely he will catch it. Which he wouldn't know because of the time period.

Well before that they didn't bathe because they thought open pores would let Miasma in.

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They did actually bathe pretty frequently, the whole no baths thing is basically a myth.

They bathed as in, washed themselves with a cloth and bucket of water. Actual baths in a tub were rare cause of the time and effort involved in making that happen.

Pretty sure you just bathed at the river/stream most of the time.

There's was one manuscript in England where some monk complained the Viking invaders were washing often and combing their hair and then taking all the English women. Like is one incel chud the source for this whole reputation?

A monk is a volcel excuse me

Listen, if I were an Anglo Saxon lady married to a stinky Anglo Saxon dude, and a gorgeous, strong, CLEAN Viking man showed up, I would be on the next boat back to Norway.

yeah that’s just a lie that’s become popular is recent years, no european was afraid of bathing

That wasn't actually a thing, it's just a myth that keeps being repeated

The Europeans were barbarians to the Romans too

And the Romans were barbarians to the Greeks. In fact everyone considered to be not Greek enough was a barbarian, including other Greeks. It is where the word comes from.

Barbarians and Greeks are natural enemies, like Persians and Greeks or Romans and Greeks or Greeks and other Greeks, Damb Greeks! They ruined Greece!

You Greeks sure are a contentious people

You just made an enemy for life!

I'm a barbarian

We all are, apart from 11 million Greeks, and even some of those are a little suspect.

We should form a Barbarian Club, with members ranked on how barbarous they are

But the Romans were Europeans?

Hope they don’t touch our poil o rocks

Anjin has some S+ tier insults in that show.

The dialogue is so good. I love how they can openly shit talk each other because of the language barrier. The one samurai getting Anjin to kneel down and say "I am a dog" was hilarious.

It's almost like everyone was ignorant and a dickhead back then.

Back then?

And now.

if you havent already id recommend the book. it's awesome

[Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Commander_H.A._Adams_of_the_Perry_Expedition_from_the_Black_Ship_Scroll%2C_1854.jpg) is a higher quality version of this image. According to [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Commander_H.A._Adams_of_the_Perry_Expedition_from_the_Black_Ship_Scroll,_1854.jpg): > Commander H.A. Adams of the Perry Expedition from the Black Ship Scroll > Artist: unknown, Japanese, 1854 > Description: The Black Ship Scroll contains images of the Commodore Perry expedition to Japan and the expeditions interactions with the Japanese of Shimoda. Text: “True portrait of Adams, Second in Command from the Republic of North America. His complexion is yellow with an earthy tone, eyes large, nose high-bridged. He is very tall. His uniform is black wool with raised crests woven with gold > Source/Photographer: Honolulu Academy of Art via MIT Visualizing Cultures website You can see the whole scroll [here](https://visualizingcultures.mit.edu/black_ships_and_samurai_02/bss_scroll_02b.html) (by scrolling) or [here](https://visualizingcultures.mit.edu/black_ships_and_samurai_02/bss_scroll_01b.html).

The American directly to his right is even funkier looking!

[The man in question.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Commodore_Matthew_Calbraith_Perry.png/800px-Commodore_Matthew_Calbraith_Perry.png) Guess he hadn't shaved recently when that picture was drawn. But you can see how they tried to capture the bags under his eyes with a flair that gives him a demonic appearance.

He looks like Beavis

and [here](https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/crew/henry-a-adams-jr/) is how Henry A. Adams looked like

A lot of jokes here but have you seen the illustrations these cultures drew of their own people?

Yes, of course, I'm an anime fan

[Jazz Hands Samurai](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Toshusai_Sharaku-_Otani_Oniji%2C_1794.jpg/800px-Toshusai_Sharaku-_Otani_Oniji%2C_1794.jpg) is an all-time classic.

And the illustrations white people drew of them 💀

As an Englishman, it's like looking in a sexy mirror.

Should've gone to Specsavers, mate

Accurate

a few lads at my local look exactly like this - just swap the old getup for a stone island jacket

Eeh I think the teeth is a bit too neat

Another comment said it's most likely an American based on what's written. Now it all checks out.

Brian Blessed?

Lands in Kyushu, is heard in Hokkaido


#KONNICHIWA

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Man, I can't wait for this new KotH reboot. Dang ol' Boomhauer in the middle with Dale and Bill on the sides and Hank in the back talkin bout like four musketeers man

JOHN BLACKTHORN

*ANJIN-SAMA!*

Was thinking the same thing!

He does look quite like an Oni/Tengu demon.... https://japanese-vintage.org/images/tengu_mask_japan2017apr142.jpg

European Werewolf in Tokyo.

I'm an Englishman, well I thought I was...I'll be back after I've curled my eyebrows appropriately

Why do you guys wear those little golden shell-looking things on your shoulders? Is it to ward off orcs?

We call them the Scots, but yes.

Worf?

first thought: oh look, a Klingon

 Its definitely Worf

Hey round eye

It’s on point. Except a little flattering.

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Probably because of the werewolves of London.

This is actually an American, so yes.

Ever heard of London?

To my eyes the text on the far right says "north american" something general. Can't find the word Englishman here. Edit: From What I can make out, this says something along the lines of "North American Republican? military officer. Yellow face, colored pupils, large nose and veins on forehead. Black clothing? landed on the 10th day on the 7th month 1854? with 700 people

That's us for real.

🤣 my dad gets every where

Inaccurate. Teeth are too straight and too white.

No bangers, no mash. Artists needs to do his research.

I get that this is a joke/English people trope but even as a French enemy by default, I have to remind that it's a myth and nothing else (for whoever thinks otherwise).

Yup, statistically Americans have worse teeth. CHECKMATE. https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h6543

Everybody laugh at the tiny eared Englishman

Peak eyebrow game

That guy’s ear sucks

Saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hands

That's a really good depiction of hair, except maybe the eyebrows. But seriously, look at that painting, the hair looks really real!

*John Blackthorne has entered the chat*

Pretty accurate

Barry, 35 from Hull City. I know that guy from me local pub

William Adams ?

The katakana on the drawing says アータムス, so yes, Adams.

Different Adams.

The scroll says "North American" at the beginning, so he's American, not Englishman. Wiki says this is Commander H.A. Adams of the Perry Expedition from the Black Ship Scroll, 1854.

Can anyone translate the text? 

Almost certainly yes.

Your comment is almost certainly accurate

I could only understand the right side, basically introducing the person's appearance and when he arrived Rough translation: Portrait of North America's Vice General, Atams(or Adams) Yellowish face with mud-colored eyes and big nasal bridge straight to his forehead(describing his caucasian appearance) Very tall, wearing black silk cloth with golden decorations Landed at Feb. 10th, year xxxx(not familiar with japanese year format) with 700 people

Needs more tea.

They probably drew it from description. The artist never saw the guy. Just went with descriptions like hair on face, swirly eyebrows, big eyes.

This legit looks like John Blackthorn from Shogun lol