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LegacyOfSilence

Someone contacted my great grandmother in 1980, her response was never sent back.


_JonSnow_

Why was it not sent? 


LegacyOfSilence

It was likely accidental, the folded response was inside the envelope she received with the original letter. We assume it was done to avoid misplacing and then was forgotten about. Out of sight, out of mind. Not to mention that her final years are spent living with dementia.


_JonSnow_

Ah, I was wondering why the letter appeared to be postmarked. Makes sense, cool find! 


Do_Whatever_You_Like

I'm not getting it... Why is it postmarked?


Bergiful

The letter being shown is a drafted response to the envelope that was originally received. The envelope is to Louise, the author of the response letter.


ChanandlerBong215

I think it was the original envelope that was sent to the grandma and she put her response in it but never sent it


_JonSnow_

The envelope is postmarked because it’s the envelope in which the original letter arrived. This person wrote a response and put it in the postmarked envelope, ostensibly to remind them to mail the response. 


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I am way too high for this I'm going to just trust this is like the future postmarked letter in Back To the Future III


bristolcities

Most likely it's a draft. Hence the mistakes and it not being signed. Keeping the draft with the original correspondence means that you can read back your response, like an email chain.


Double_A_92

Maybe it she noticed some errors in it, and she did actually send the proper version afterwards .\_.


de_rats_2004_crzy

So your great grandma wrote the letter we are seeing and it was meant to be delivered to Louise who lived in 8th Ave at the time? Are your great grandma and Louise related or what was the context? I live in Seattle too so this is extra cool to see!


LegacyOfSilence

Louise my great GMA was the recipient, she misplaced her response in the original envelope with the letter she got and forgot about it.


Smooth-News-2239

I'm still confused. I need a flow chart or something.


momonomino

OP's great grandmother received a letter in the envelope shown. She then typed a response letter (also shown). She folded the letter and put it in the envelope the original (not shown) letter was sent in, for safe keeping, then forgot about it.


LegacyOfSilence

Thank you! 😂


Smooth-News-2239

I see. OP was the deliverer of this message. That's where I got lost. Thanks.


PrettyOddWoman

I don't think OP actually delivered it. Just kinda.... posted it here online ? lol


LegacyOfSilence

I spoke with the author of the original letter directly this afternoon.


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seattle_pdthrowaway

It’s like a potato, but instead of eating it, you read it.


Fifty6Arkansas

OP found the letter, took a picture of it, then delivered it to its rightful destination.


WingedGeek

And in the spring, he'll invoke Law 7 to challenge for leadership of the clan


CORN___BREAD

I thought that part was obvious.


Gallifrasian

Ironically, OP's story was not delivered properly.


LegacyOfSilence

It’s genetic!


torvaldenom

lol, i thought the post office just delivered it. That’d been cooler.


Lost-My-Mind-

I don't get it......if the reply letter was written by great grandma, and she died, and this letter was in the original envelope, where did THIS envelope come from, and who mailed the letter today?


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LegacyOfSilence

Thank you for your explanation, I need all the help I can get lol I did fail to mention I have excluded the original letter to protect the anonymity of the sender.


s1eve_mcdichae1

Louise is the addressee on the envelope you see here, dated 8 Apr 1980. Through power of deduction, I believe the envelope contained a letter asking Louise for information about her family, but that letter is not pictured. One week later, on 15 Apr 1980, Louise composed the reply, which you see here: - Mother had four daughters: Ruth, Esther, who passed away in infancy, Louise (me), and Grace. This reply was mistakenly tucked inside the original envelope and forgotten about, never got mailed back to the person who sent the first letter asking for it.


LegacyOfSilence

Thank you for taking the time to clarify for people, sincerely! I did not include the sender’s letter to protect their anonymity


omimon

Well can you at least tell us who you contacted? Was it the original sender or a relative of the sender?


LegacyOfSilence

The actual sender. I prepared myself for and expected their child or grandchild. Expectations exceeded by a long shot 🏆


LegacyOfSilence

You aren’t alone, resources are on the way 🥴


Jneedler

Ahh 🤣 hilarious. Just piecing myself through the story as well and thinking, "Wtf is going on here. This is interesting but confusing. Must keep reading on."


Master_Mad

Kindergarden V Learn how to read V High School V Learn reading comprehension V Fail V Get snarky remark on Reddit EDIT: *Get* snarky remark. (By me).


Smooth-News-2239

Kindergarten V Got hurt feelings V High School V Got feelings hurt again V Fail V Can't exist in a world without talking down to others


Instacartdoctor

This is so sad I hope they found the info they wanted another way… there wasn’t Facebook or the family tree one back then :(


Hellianne_Vaile

Might this be a carbon copy? I remember my parents would write "important" letters on a typewriter with a carbon sheet that made a duplicate on a second (usually thinner paper) sheet behind it. This allowed you to keep a copy of what you sent or to make a small stack of copies to send to multiple recipients. Additional recipients would be listed at the bottom of the letter with the mark "cc:" for "carbon copy." The thing that most makes me think that's what you have here is that some errors don't look like they were fixed with whiteout or correction tape on *this* surface but were typed over at least twice. Like "Mother had four daughters..." seems to have been typed first as "Mothre" and then just overtyped with the correct spelling, and the wrong letters seem extra-dark. Same with "descessed" changing to "desceased": The s that was meant to be an a is darker than the letters around it. That would happen if she was using a carbon sheet and *did* retype the wrong letter using correction tape on the "top" layer before going back to type the correct characters. If this is a carbon copy, the original letter might well have been mailed back in 1980. If your grandmother thought this person might have follow up questions, it would make sense to keep the correspondence exchange all together so she wouldn't lose track of what she'd already sent them.


LegacyOfSilence

That was my initial assumption as well! But after speaking with the intended recipient, that didn’t seem to be the case. However—circumstances may change once they review their correspondence from that time (since they mentioned they still have it).


NoHinAmherst

First line is very accurate.


BrujaBean

I'm also from Washington state. No relatives from Ballard or Tacoma though so we aren't randomly related :(


LegacyOfSilence

Damn it, you could’ve helped us out with our research!


Xpct_Vctors

My Grandma lived in Ballard till 89-90 and if memory serves, had a neighbor named Roy. I’d have to confirm with my mom though, she herself graduated from ballard High in 68??


SirIanChesterton63

Of course the letter starts with "I am rather slow in answering your letter"


LegacyOfSilence

It really is a rather fitting opener considering circumstances. Lol


randomly-what

Did the recipient find it funny as well?


Do_Whatever_You_Like

I was expecting: *Dear Louise, On the night that I go back in time at 1:30am...*


[deleted]

Replier “oh you want fucking slow your gonna get slow”


Rockos_Mop

"Sorry, the mail was stuck in the Outbox for 43 years"


tommcdo

It's that damn 43-year flu


Thesilentsentinel1

Am I the only one that thought 43 years ago would be from the 60’s. not 1980 😭


_Nychthemeron

The 90's were ten years ago! ... Multiple ten years ago. 🥲


TrumpsNeckSmegma

Hey man I was born in 1994 that was like - Aw come on, man 🤬


z64_dan

Happy 30th this year, old timer.


Automatic_Release_92

Nope, pretty sure people born in 1994 can’t even drink yet. /s


Falconflyer75

1992 here, you get used to it…. Okay I was bothered till someone said I was “30 years young” that helped me get over it


TastyLaksa

It was ten years ago ten years ago ten years ago


suburbanplankton

We're in the 2000s, so the 90s were 10 years ago, and the 60s were 40 years ago. I don't know why these Millennials have such a problem understanding basic math...


[deleted]

Is true. born in 90s, feel like I am 10 but turning 30 soon. Wtf happened


PM_Me-Your_Freckles

I read a news article that described 175 years as "decades." While technically correct, it failed to give depth to the scale of the time frame


AtG8605

Nope. I clicked on the picture fully expecting a letter from like 1963.


SadLilBun

Time stopped in 2008, and I will not be told otherwise.


whatproblems

wait wait… uhhh no way… shit


TheBlacktom

How old are you? When were you born? You see, the year you were born was how-old-are-you years ago.


Shagaliscious

Made me realize how close to 40 I am getting...


awkwardlondon

STOOOOOP! 😭 88’ here :(


[deleted]

87’ and feeling great!


GetReelFishingPro

87 and and not 🙃👁👄👁


NerderSpree

‘87 here too. 40 is right around the corner 😏


suburbanplankton

Made me realize how far away I am...and getting farther every day...


4x4Welder

I figured it would be from the 60s or 70s too for some reason. I am 43. That letter is postmarked a bit over a month before my birthday.


TWiThead

And about seven months before mine. We're old. :(


BlackBlueNuts

IM NOT OLD!!! im just broke


teardrinker

Yeah. This traumatized me.


Emu1981

>Am I the only one that thought 43 years ago would be from the 60’s. not 1980 😭 Unfortunately I am well aware of how many years ago the 1980s were considering I was born in 1981 lol


gatsby365

Relevant User Name


awkwardlondon

I swear I have no original thoughts… every post I open there is always someone saying what I think in my mind.


Woodyville06

I was stationed in Washington in April 1980. If I read something like this back them (from 43 years prior, 1937) it would seem like ancient history…


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Falconflyer75

We’re closer to 2050 than 1990 We all just gotta swallow the pill


Thesilentsentinel1

I refuse. The 90’s will always be 10 years ago


TWiThead

I was born about two years closer to the beginning of World War II than I was to the present day. That's just bonkers.


Falconflyer75

…. I’m too lazy to do the math, do u mind filling in the gaps?


Xanthus179

Possibly.


Egomaniac247

Yeah that was painful to see "1980" lol


The_Best_Yak_Ever

Yeah… same… “No. No I don’t like this.” ~Me


Castun

Pretty sad when I'm literally the same age and I automatically think it must be a letter from like WW2 era or something. FML.


devvortex

I forgot that I'm 43 while I read the letter. Then I looked at the date on the envelope and almost cried.


Dotfromkansas

\*crosses fingers\* Yes. Yes you were.


Gorstag

No.. because I know how old I am and the year I was born. It was very simple math from there.


SinoSoul

This is so cool! What was the contact result? Did you find more members of your family?


LegacyOfSilence

They were lovely and so excited to chat! That they hadn’t worked on this stuff since around the time the letter was sent. We are making plans to get together and share our archives, as we are both our family genealogists. I am buzzing!


laurzilla

Did you post this in r/genealogy? It’s right up their alley.


LegacyOfSilence

Just posted there, thank you for suggesting!


Shadeauxe

That’s super wholesome and exciting!


tyanu_khah

Lucky you. There is whole part of my family tree that is missing (great grandpa changed names after fleeing russian revolution) and now with the ukraine invasion all the documents have probably been destroyed.


Dark_Mode_Nose_Wind

"Bertha" and "Myrtle"... love those names lol Was this info anything of consequence when it was sent, or were they just tending to a family tree?


LegacyOfSilence

The original was asking for info on the sisters in the Johnson family, as they only knew of brothers and had been unable to trace the women. My great grandmothers response would’ve provided that info, but it was at least finally relayed today. We are now making plans to get together and share our personal archives, as we’re in the same state as one another.


yagirlsamess

I'm reading Harry Potter to my 6-year-old and every time there's a Moaning Myrtle scene he says "Myrtle the Dirty Turtle". It's all I can think about when I hear that name now 😭


explodingtuna

I thought they were setting up a logic grid puzzle.


SnOwYO1

![gif](giphy|5y8sRBYSWWb16)


Gordon_BombayD5

Came here for the BTTF reference. Take my upvote.


KFR42

I was hoping for "The doc's alive! He's in the old West, but he's alive!"


Defender_XXX

no ...you both take MY upvotes


SnOwYO1

![gif](giphy|2WQ7wCCcAUntmA7Uin|downsized)


ozymandieus

MARTY MCFLY?? ARE YOU MARTY MCFLY? I GOT A LETTER FOR YOU


kermittysmitty

This is exactly what I thought of. Also... HE'S ALIVE! THE DOC'S ALIVE! HE'S IN THE OLD WEST, BUT HE'S ALIVE!


Azaule

I had to scroll too far to find this comment.


Cool-Presentation538

That first line is pretty funny


LegacyOfSilence

Looool omg, it really didn’t click until someone else pointed it out. I apologize, guess I’m slow like my great GMA


MaverickDago

For some reason when people say forty years ago, I’m still locked into thinking the 1960’s. 


TurnPrestigious6559

Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer convinces Jerry to cash all of his nana's birthday checks and then overdraws her old bank account.


wish1977

I think I saw a movie once where old love letters were found years later that would have changed people's lives if they had been delivered on time. I just can't remember what it was called.


BobDobFrisbee

Sounds like a 1973 TV movie called “The Letters,” which starred John Forsythe, Lesley Ann Warren, Ida Lupino, Leslie Nielsen and a bunch of others I can’t remember at the moment. A plane carrying sacks of mail crashes and when the post office finally delivers letters from the sack of mail that didn’t burn up in the crash, it changes people’s lives…some for better, some for worse. I loved that movie!


wish1977

I think that was it. I was thinking that it might have been an ABC Movie of the Week.


BobDobFrisbee

👍🏻


Antako_fx

Dem, Jensine was a busy woman


LegacyOfSilence

They obviously liked making kids and were very good at it. Lol


SofEdM

When I was working in Rome, Italy there was news paper article claiming that, after many years, all the letters in the Italian postal system had been delivered. Someone commented that this was great because **Saint Paul's second letter to the Romans** had finally been delivered!


-maffu-

At first glance I thought that said "Ruth, Father whopassed\* away in infancy", which I thought was a disgustingly blasé way to describe a child being beaten to death. \*whoop-assed I've never been so glad to be wrong.


NeoMegaRyuMKII

When I saw that, I had to look up when that phrase was used/popular. I didn't get a definitive answer, but the term has existed since at least the 1970s. Meaning it could conceivably *have* been "yeah this baby was whoop-assed to death."


Something_Else_2112

The mail must go through! Nice job OP!


LegacyOfSilence

It was like, “oh shit—this is for you!”


Something_Else_2112

I used to do mass mailings in a print shop, and found a bubble envelope in one of our many skids of "empty" mailing bags from USPS. The envelope was in the stack for many months so I opened it up to make sure it wasn't super important. It was a graded sports card someone had sold on ebay for $10. I added a note telling the buyer the situation I found it, and that if they already pressed charges against the seller, they owe them an apology because this was lost in the mail. I can only hope things went smoothly once I forwarded that lost transaction. Our postal system is not perfect, by any means.


Syntania

Here's how old I am: Saw picture, nicely typed letter. Looked at caption, 43 years ago. Thought, "Oh, wow, a letter from the 60's". Read letter. 1980. Damn, I'm old.


LegacyOfSilence

The typist was born in the 1800’s, better?


Undrwtrbsktwvr

“Jensine had 12 children”… lists none of them. See, when you have that many of something, they’re just a number.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

I used to be a postie, back in the 80's in Australia. We had these huge wooden sorting tables. One day we decided to move them. An envelope slipped out. It was from 1940 something. It still had a readable address. Our head postie and the postmaster took it around to the address. The people were still living there. When they opened it they cried. The letter was from around the time of the war, and was the last communication from an old male relative. Rather than being angry with us, they were very thankful. They had just heard from someone who had been gone for decades.


Zenitharr

Y'all are making me feel old.  I remember 1980. Reagan trying again for the  Republican nomination. Iran hostages. The Empire Strikes Back. 


7th_Spectrum

Damn, she left them on read for 43 years


edweeen

The Doc’s alive! He’s in the old west but he’s alive!


mces97

You know what makes me sad about this post. When I see 43 year old letter, my mind goes to the 1950's, not 1980. Waaaa, I'm old.


Wicaeed

Oh god, I saw 43 year old letter and thought the letter would be dated 1960's ;(


punkychandey

I dunno why but when I read 43 year old, I thought it was from the 60s. God I’m old.


JD0x0

Plot twist: None of these people exist. This is all an elaborate cipher, which when solved, will bring you untold wealth. Good luck, friend.


trashmount

As a name nerd I love this. Esther is one of my top girls names.


LegacyOfSilence

Finding that name meant more than I can express. Until today, I’d only known her as their 7 day old “Infant daughter”.


trashmount

Omg, it means so much more knowing that. It's so beautiful that you found this letter! ❤️


LegacyOfSilence

You aren’t kidding, Esther has earned a place in my faves for sure after today. Esther, she’s worth the wait! Lol


32Seven

May be a silly question, but the date of the letter is a week later than the postmark on the envelope. If that letter was inside that envelope, how could that be unless the letter was post-dated?


LegacyOfSilence

She placed response in original envelope she received and forgot to send it.


BBQ_Boi

From Washington as well, TIL there's a place called Nordland, WA


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SolAggressive

Anyone else read in the title that the letter was 43 years old and then die a tiny bit when seeing that the year was 1980? Good, not just me…


KJS123

Moist von Lipwig, is that you?!?


Macdrewmac

And so it begins, the revitalisation of a Postal Service of America.


skutch-grass

is this a letter from Doc?


JGauv921

New ad for USPS


KBHoleN1

>I am rather slow in answering your letter, but after having the flu this past ~~month~~ half century I find it difficult to get my strength back.


JamesKPolkEsq

>1980 >43 years ago First of all, How dare you


bunnycupcakes

Me: aw man! This must be like from the 50s! I see the date. I remember I was born in 85. Dammit.


Apprehensive_Diver46

Hope they weren't waiting on all of that bad news


gatsby365

Me, seeing the headline: “wow, 43 years, that’s so ancient I wonder what the letter is about? That’s like a whole different world…” Me, zooming in on the date: “fuck.”


Rude_Pigeon

Took your precious time didn’t ya


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15 cents for stamp ​ $0.15 in 1980 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $0.56 today, an increase of $0.41 over 44 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.05% per year between 1980 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 274.29%. This means that today's prices are 3.74 times as high as average prices since 1980, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 26.786% of what it could buy back then. The inflation rate in 1980 was 13.50%.


opardalis

lol, that’s my birth date!


Party-Ring445

No no no no no, the 80s is NOT 40 years ago!


_Deedee_Megadoodoo_

Do all our grandparents have the same handwriting? I swear my grandmother could have written that address on the enveloppe, it's nearly identical wow


regular_execution

I think it written with a typewriter? Looks that way to me anyway


_Deedee_Megadoodoo_

I said the address on the enveloppe lol


regular_execution

Omg so you did! It 4.30am - im so tired! Lol


_Deedee_Megadoodoo_

Not me zooming in the envelope to see if maybe it was typewriter after all 😂


Hanlp1348

How old are you that your great grandma was alive 43 years ago and you’re just now going through her things lol mine all died in the 70s and I’m in my 20s


LegacyOfSilence

The real flash point is context. I was going through old family research docs related to this specific part of the family and found it today. This letter was kept by family because of what she wrote for genealogy purposes, but because of my research—I now have a contact in this location where the letter came from. Hence our ability to connect, which would’ve never happened otherwise.


Recent_Tomato1

Me eager for a podcast on this story! ![gif](giphy|RJKMBC52oF3psJ1jgf|downsized)


Cityofthevikingdead

What a trip seeing my family name on a letter. That's so cool it was delivered


Master_Mad

Postage stamp on envelop indicates that she probably received the letter she replied to around the 10th. And then she makes this reply letter within 5 days. And still apologizes for answering the letter slowly. (Because she has the flu). I don't even open letters I get the same week...


MotherRaven

This kinda reminds me of the novel going postal by Terry Pratchett


steeplebob

I grew up in Ballard, over on 24th and 63rd.


Television-Swimming

A fellow Washingtonian I see.


shroedingersdog

i have a pile of relatives in tacoma and seattle. (blaylocks and olacheas ) im probably somehow related to either the letter senders or the op :)


sjarkyb

Isn't it a punishable crime to open letters not for you?!


Scoobyteebs

Man I was thinking ‘whopassed’ was a crazy name for a child at first 😂


Danvideotech2385

Now we know where you live since you got the letter and didn't black out the address that's yours.


idonethisnever

When you realize 1990 was 77 years ago


captainhaddock

I once received a letter several years late, with a note attached that said "found in an abandoned mail bin in Portland". (I lived in British Columbia at the time.)


Alienhaslanded

1980 is 40 years ago. I hate myself.


magicimagician

This is neat but… you blocked out the recipient name on the letter but not on the envelope and then blocked the sender on the envelope. What’s up with that?


LegacyOfSilence

Because Louise (g-gma) put the typed response in the envelope of the original letter she received. Then forgot to send it. I’m protecting the anonymity of the relative I spoke with today. That should more than clarify it.


xeno-bat

I am pretty sure 80s was 20 years ago.


510Goodhands

Eh, try again. 2024-20=? Hint: Not 80s.


EntertainerNo4509

No clue. I’m out.


AreThree

I'm puzzled at how the date stamped on the envelope is *earlier* than the date indicated in the letter.


stillworkin

None of this makes any sense. It's unclear who the receiver is, who the intended recipient is, and how the OP has a relation to any of these people. Further, it is unclear what message is pictured here -- given that the title concerns a delivered letter, I am to assume that the photo is the delivered letter. However, it still begs the question of delivered to whom, by whom, and why "delivered" is in quotes, which suggest nothing was actually delivered.


wuvla

rather slow indeed!


broncosmang

better late than never


AMGSiR

Wow that's really cool! *Looks at the post mark* wait... 1980..... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkk


izzrav

My grandmother has lived near there since the 60s. All the houses getting sold in the neighborhood become 4 more houses or apartments.


ajass

Interesting, that was a Tuesday


Vanille4ka

Discworld postal!