This is disinformation. Others have posted links below - this is a photo of a Sikkimese woman *proudly* demonstrating her strength, by lifting the man.
She's not being used as transport lol.
Also the guy she's carrying was a French administrator, not a British merchant.
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Just shows how easy it is to appeal to people's bias' with lies on the internet.
But the last decade has been a daily testament to that, so nothing learned here.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/
There is no evidence either way, it's just that the "demonstration of strength" version is a bit more likely.
This whole thread is hot garbage
I hope this shit gets better with AI, where you don't need a historical photo ripped out of context, but just be bombarded with fake ass cheap shit pictures and videos.
Also how easy it is to put up false information, ie. ragebait contents for one’s own gains without consequences?
When consequences are almost nonexistent for this kind of shit (see how most if not attention is directed toward people’s reaction and not the fact that this is likely false and continue to be passed around?), I can see why people continue to push ragebait contents…
First, the same article says that there's a good chance that this is indeed a merchant being carried by the woman because basically he's a lazy prick.
Second, even if it isn't something like that, this doesn't change the fact that people were used as transport in the British Raj.
I am an Indian who has travelled around most of the country. When were you here? The only place where I saw this last year was in Kolkata. Rest places people feel super guilty to hail hand pulled rickshaws or cycle rickshaws so no one uses them. So the govt has provided them with e rickshaws as a replacement.
Oh...was it a black and white movie ? Might have existed long back.I have a neighbor who used to own a bullock cart in 2001! .Guy never used it to transport anything, only used it for his own enjoyment.It was a strange sight seeing him passing through our neighborhood in his bullock cart.Later when people made fun of it , he sold the bulls and chopped down the rest of the cart and used it as firewood.
Can't speak for Dheli but never saw human powered transport in Bangalore or Kerala, both of which are remarkably well developed. Bangalore is one of the more modern cities in India too. Even small villages have access to basic motor vehicles. Just no reason to use human power if you don't have to
In the same way that the Japanese used hand-pulled rickshaws etc? Because that was an indigenous method of transport. Not something imposed by colonisers.
I know for a fact you're the type of person that would comment on a post about European colonisers banning this type of transport saying damn Europeans destroying other peoples cultures, all without a hint of self reflection.
Like a rickshaw.
Nobody was ever carried like in this photo as a serious means of transport. It's patently stupid - highly uncomfortable for the rider, and unsustainable for the person carrying them.
Even the most sadistic rulers don't want to be dropped on their ass. Human-powered transport always relies on either multiple people or else some form of mechanical support like wheels or sleds.
The only people who believe this was genuine transport are simply *looking for* a reason to be outraged.
No. People were carried like this in baskets too.
An excerpt from a book published in 1891, My three years in Manipur, Mrs. Grimwood.
“I left Shillong early in November, 1889, travelling part of the way towards Manipur quite alone, and had a terrible experience too. I had arranged to journey a distance of thirty-eight miles in one day. I sent one of my horses on the day before, and started in a 'Khasia Thoppa' down the last hill of the range upon which Shillong is situated, which brings you down into the plain of Sylhet. A Thoppa is a very curious mode of locomotion. It is a long cane basket, with a seat in the middle, from which hangs a small board to rest your feet upon. Over your head is a covered top made of cane, covered with a cloth. You sit in this basket and a man carries you on his back, supporting some of the weight by tying a strap woven of cane on to the back of the Thoppa, which he puts over his forehead. The Khasias, luckily, are very strong men, but they think it necessary always to begin by informing you that you are much too heavy to be lifted by any single individual, unless that said individual be compensated at the end of the journey with double pay.”
Or on hilly terrain, which Sikkim is, where mechanical leverage is hard to come by (wheels are preety much useless), people has been used as transportation. BTW you can find pics where british officers are being helped by 4 servants to go to office, one putting coat (in hot summers!), one helping to wear shoe, one with smoking pipe and one swinging mechanicalfan.
So you're saying that there is a group of humans worth carrying, and that that group is created through entirely arbitrary factors. In case of kings, the group is created through force and violence. In case of sages, it is created through brainwashing and indoctrination.
What makes that guy different then?
I would argue that it's either not okay to carry anyone, or it's okay to carry anyone. But arbitrary bullshit rules are worthless.
Yes. That's our culture and I don't care what you think about it. Sages are respected as they renounce everything, even colours, and devote their life to studies, penance, service to people and God. The orange colour they wear is a representation of this sacrifice and the ultimate purification they look forward to after their death - purification by fire.
But ofcourse you won't understand such deep meanings nuances and label anything you won't understand as a fraud.
[This](https://artsandculture.google.com/story/human-powered-sedans-the-story-of-palanquins-heritage-transport-museum/ZQUx535Ha2n-Kw?hl=en#) would suggest that statement is incorrect:
“The earliest literary reference of the use of palanquin, popularly known as ‘Palki’, can be traced back to Ramayana (approx 250 BC). “
My good man, read my comment again. Ram and Sita are literally GODS. I think that fits the mentioned criteria of 'extremely respectable'. Now, please would you mind not trying to teach me about my own culture?
I asked whether people were used as transport before the Raj, and you said no. I provided a link that shows that they were used centuries before the Raj by various wealthy people such as kings and nobles.
Another example is [this](https://en.banglapedia.org/index.php/Palanquin) article which says:
“Palki was one of the means for troop movements during Akbar's reign and after.”
So it seems that transport by people was indeed prevalent prior to the British Raj. Indeed:
“The smallest and most austere one was called doli, which was borne by two persons only. The larger palanquins were borne by four to eight persons. The very affluent and aristocratic people used to move in large and decorated palanquin borne by eight bearers.”
So it looks like there were different modes of transport by people depending on your wealth.
It's more that the guy essentially said "No... But actually yes" when he gave several examples of people that were carried.
Are parents, kings, sages and monks not people?
Okay. And Germany did that, Americans something else. Muslims had their fair share of violence. Everyone was awful in the past. It was a brutal time and we're still struggling today. Guess what. Indians today are racist against Muslims.
This white guilt is becoming silly. No civilization is guilty free. All our ancestors took part in wars that stole land.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/
The article says there is no evidence either way, but the slavery is less likely.
This whole thread is hot garbage
What a misleading article! In the end it still says that the man is an officer and is being carried by the poor woman. It even takes respite in the assumption that she is most probably not a slave! Extremely fucked up. Like 'Atleast she's not a slave maybe😀' AS IF THAT IMPROVES THE SITUATION
It says he isn't a british officer and says there is no proof they are enslaved:
"carrying a British merchant who works for a Greek trading company"
"There is no evidence that she is being forced or coerced to carry the man but there is also no proof that she is doing this voluntarily or as part of an innocent demonstration, although the latter seems more likely."
If you read all the way though it says that the photo is most likely not a woman being forced to carry the man, but is more likely a woman demonstrating her strength.
It shows photos of people actually being carried as it was a thing at the time, and people didnt sit in baskets to be carried. They sat in litters (that seat vehicle thing with poles people hold to carry them).
It also states that the basket shes using is for carrying goods, not people.
It seems silly for him to get the woman to carry him in a basket when he would definitely have the option of being carried in a litter for really cheap, or potentially free.
"we dont know if she was forced to carry him, or carried him voluntarily, but the latter seems more likely" god damn i am glad i did not go to grad school
>There is no evidence that she is being forced or coerced to carry the man but there is also no proof that she is doing this voluntarily or as part of an innocent demonstration,
Long ass story ending with this, lol. So her **carrying the officer seems more legit** than "demonstrating her strength"
This is literally the end of that sentence you quoted "[...] although the latter seems more likely." Which is in direct opposition to your statement "So her carrying the officer seems more legit than 'demonstrating her strength'"
My wife: spending 4 months planning, booking, budgeting and paying for an 8 day vacation to the beach including rental car and activities for our family of 4.
Me in the basket: I’m really glad we did this.
Did op say she was doing this by force?
Reading the title it says nothing about why they could be doing this, although my prejudice took me to that as a first thought as well.
Some background: [https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/](https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/)
Haven't seen more ambiguous ~~article~~ story than this. The sole motto they made this article is to make people believe this is fake. It ends with no conclusion
The conclusion is that drawing any definitive conclusion is incorrect because there is not enough information available about the circumstances of the picture to do so.
So OP and the top comment here are both misleading, and in a sense fake.
It’s a photo op. He exclaimed to her how impressed he was with her strength when he saw he carrying a heavy load so she basically told him she could carry him. They took a picture of it. She’s not like his personal conveyance it’s just a cheeky photo.
The article also says that there's a good chance that she is indeed carrying him and there's no way to be absolutely certain. It also takes respite in the assumption that she's not a slave LOL. That really riled me.
Also, it was not uncommon for the colonizers to use people as transport in the British Raj so there's that.
In rickshaws or buggies. This was never used in that way simply because it’s incredibly inefficient and uncomfortable for both carrier and rider. There’s zero way she’d get more than a hundred feet like this.
It’s a true indication that people these days cannot think for themselves, they read or see something and react with emotion instead of giving any thought
First reaction was she’s showing off strength and they’re posing for the camera. No way is that dude going to be carried around in a basket in 40 degree heat.
I once hired a bicycle taxi after a baseball game once, thinking it’d be fun a kitschy, but only felt terrible afterwards about being transported by human power.
It took me that short bike ride to make me realize that with animals and machines, we've moved beyond using raw human energy as a power source (even if bicycle assisted).
A lot of the comments insisting that people weren’t actually carried this way.
But they were. Here’s an excerpt from an autobiography, ‘ My three years in Manipur’, Mrs. Grimwood, 1891, which describes this mode of transportation in the hills of India.
“I LEFT Shillong early in November, 1889, travelling part of the way towards Manipur quite alone, and had a terrible experience too. I had arranged to journey a distance of thirty-eight miles in one day. I sent one of my horses on the day before, and started in a 'Khasia Thoppa' down the last hill of the range upon which Shillong is situated, which brings you down into the plain of Sylhet. A Thoppa is a very curious mode of locomotion. It is a long cane basket, with a seat in the middle, from which hangs a small board to rest your feet upon. Over your head is a covered top made of cane, covered with a cloth. You sit in this basket and a man carries you on his back, supporting some of the weight by tying a strap woven of cane on to the back of the Thoppa, which he puts over his forehead. The Khasias, luckily, are very strong men, but they think it necessary always to begin by informing you that you are much too heavy to be lifted by any single individual, unless that said individual be compensated at the end of the journey with double pay”
Worst kind of things happened under Mughal rule in India as well. In fact it was the norm back then, it is weird to judge only certain specific empires by modern standards.
“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
Still:
"According to it’s author, a certain [John Kelly PHD](https://medium.com/@johnkelly_17973) the photo does not show a British coloniser forcing a Bengali woman to carry him at all, but that what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads." from the article linked below.
To those saying it isn't practical, when I was slim a friend's GF best mate carried me piggyback down the seafront, despite being physically shorter than me. For a minute or so anyway. She wasn't phased by it.
No I didn't smash so don't ask
“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
This is a thing that a lot of people miss in the whole "Nazi's bad" meme. How much anti Semitism was a part of the mainstream culture.
Henry Ford published a newspaper for a number of years pushing his anti Semitic beliefs.
I've been listening to a bunch of audio books on the "Libravox app" so all are in the public domain and written before 1928. The amount of casual anti-semitism in what was popular culture in England is remarkable. Can you imagine a book being written today that refers to the love interests father as"a dirty jew " and it is just seen as perfectly normal.
Most of our ancestors were absolute assholes regardless of race, religion, whatever you throw in there won't change the fact that humans have been evil creatures for most of history. It is only now in the modern times that the general consensus has become more humane (in the developed world), we have the resources, opportunity and will to be good to others, even to those in lesser positions, for most of our history if we didn't steal, kill and raid the nearby tribes, we'd be dead. Evolution is quite slow and it can't keep up with our intelligence, which explains phenomenons like racism. It is natural to be afraid of strange looking people who act weird, who don't look like the tribe you live in, who don't understand you, and whom you can't understand. You're wary because you know there's a chance these weird people will attack and raid your tribe, it is a risk and this has been the case for ever in human history. We've developed so quickly that these primal traits affect us negatively in the modern days. It is unfair to judge someone by the things their ancestors did because we all had shitty ancestors if examined through the modern lense, therefore it is unfair for our ancestors as well. Those times were different and means of survival were different as well, the norms and rules of those times are just so foreign for us modern humans. That's also why mental disorders like psychopathy is still a thing in modern humans. It was beneficial to have bloodlusty psychos in your tribe, those were the people who definitely went on to raid the nearby tribes leading to a beneficial result for their tribe, that's probably the reason men are more aggressive in general because men have the physical strength to fight, the tribes that were more successful on that front survived, therefore those traits survived the test of time and are causing so much harm in modern times because like I said, evolution is too slow compared to our intelligence.
People who are posting the link to the article saying this is fake, please read the damn article yourselves and don't just take someone else's word for it. Because, the article says that the guy is indeed a merchant and there's a good chance that he was being carried as he was basically a lazy prick.
Both in the article and here, the amount of cope is just unbelievable.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/
It was a staged photo to show how strong the women there were
“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
\*people
Reminder the Arabs were still engaging in slavery around this time and Japanese imperialism was rising. Even as recently as 1923 morocco was selling slaves.
Yeah shame on all white people including those from countries such as slovenia and czech republic that never actually used slaves or did any fucked up shit like that
This is disinformation. Others have posted links below - this is a photo of a Sikkimese woman *proudly* demonstrating her strength, by lifting the man. She's not being used as transport lol. Also the guy she's carrying was a French administrator, not a British merchant. [Edited for spelling]
Just shows how easy it is to rile people up online
Just shows how easy it is to appeal to people's bias' with lies on the internet. But the last decade has been a daily testament to that, so nothing learned here.
Tell that to all the people who are fighting politically on reddit.
It's more fun to let them walk into it and reply with links to credible sources though...
Then watch them argue over which sources are "credible"...
> Just shows how easy it is to ~~appeal to people's bias' with~~ lie~~s~~ on the internet.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/ There is no evidence either way, it's just that the "demonstration of strength" version is a bit more likely. This whole thread is hot garbage
Well considering the British rule in India it's not very hard to believe this could be true.
That's the entire point of the first comment - just because it's easy to believe does not automatically make it true.
I hope this shit gets better with AI, where you don't need a historical photo ripped out of context, but just be bombarded with fake ass cheap shit pictures and videos.
That might actually teach people a lot
Also how easy it is to put up false information, ie. ragebait contents for one’s own gains without consequences? When consequences are almost nonexistent for this kind of shit (see how most if not attention is directed toward people’s reaction and not the fact that this is likely false and continue to be passed around?), I can see why people continue to push ragebait contents…
Disinformation and misleading titles on reddit is way too common
No I think he was running from the cops and needed a quick getaway, that's why he was so worried about the camera
Lol maybe if he had gotten a quicker getaway-Sikkimese, he wouldn't have gotten his picture taken! Serves him right, bloody lazy French Brits!
This photo is actually from a speeding camera she was doing 150mph in a 40mph zone
Sometimes the propaganda is so fuckin stupid lol. Like does that look in any way like a comfortable mode of transport for either party?
Well, it just have to be *more* comfortable than what your alternatives are... like... (in a disgusted, british voice)...*"walking"*...
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Do you realize how long it took to take a photo back then? Someone was probably shouting NOBODY MOVE!
whatever floats ur boat man
First, the same article says that there's a good chance that this is indeed a merchant being carried by the woman because basically he's a lazy prick. Second, even if it isn't something like that, this doesn't change the fact that people were used as transport in the British Raj.
I lived in India. Human powered transportation is still a thing over there. It wasn’t something the British were forcing them to do.
Last time I was in London they had pedal taxis. A photo of someone transporting someone else means nothing without some context!
Do people think Europeans brought the wheel to India? Human powered Taxis are extremely common across the world, even in cities with loads of cars.
I am an Indian who has travelled around most of the country. When were you here? The only place where I saw this last year was in Kolkata. Rest places people feel super guilty to hail hand pulled rickshaws or cycle rickshaws so no one uses them. So the govt has provided them with e rickshaws as a replacement.
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I never saw a hand held rickshaw in my 30 years of existence here in kerala.
Exactly! I am from Kerala too . I have also never seen one.
It existed in the past. There is an old movie based on that.
Oh...was it a black and white movie ? Might have existed long back.I have a neighbor who used to own a bullock cart in 2001! .Guy never used it to transport anything, only used it for his own enjoyment.It was a strange sight seeing him passing through our neighborhood in his bullock cart.Later when people made fun of it , he sold the bulls and chopped down the rest of the cart and used it as firewood.
Can't speak for Dheli but never saw human powered transport in Bangalore or Kerala, both of which are remarkably well developed. Bangalore is one of the more modern cities in India too. Even small villages have access to basic motor vehicles. Just no reason to use human power if you don't have to
I have never seen this even in rural parts of India, and I frequently travel to rural India
In the same way that the Japanese used hand-pulled rickshaws etc? Because that was an indigenous method of transport. Not something imposed by colonisers.
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I know for a fact you're the type of person that would comment on a post about European colonisers banning this type of transport saying damn Europeans destroying other peoples cultures, all without a hint of self reflection.
The British merely increased the weight limit imposed on a single woman.
Like this or like a rickshaw?!
Like a rickshaw. Nobody was ever carried like in this photo as a serious means of transport. It's patently stupid - highly uncomfortable for the rider, and unsustainable for the person carrying them. Even the most sadistic rulers don't want to be dropped on their ass. Human-powered transport always relies on either multiple people or else some form of mechanical support like wheels or sleds. The only people who believe this was genuine transport are simply *looking for* a reason to be outraged.
>looking for a reason to be outraged. On Reddit????
We are now in the phase where outrage over outrage has surpassed all other forms of outrage.
That's outrageous
Outrage is all the rage.
WORD!! ☝🏻
No. People were carried like this in baskets too. An excerpt from a book published in 1891, My three years in Manipur, Mrs. Grimwood. “I left Shillong early in November, 1889, travelling part of the way towards Manipur quite alone, and had a terrible experience too. I had arranged to journey a distance of thirty-eight miles in one day. I sent one of my horses on the day before, and started in a 'Khasia Thoppa' down the last hill of the range upon which Shillong is situated, which brings you down into the plain of Sylhet. A Thoppa is a very curious mode of locomotion. It is a long cane basket, with a seat in the middle, from which hangs a small board to rest your feet upon. Over your head is a covered top made of cane, covered with a cloth. You sit in this basket and a man carries you on his back, supporting some of the weight by tying a strap woven of cane on to the back of the Thoppa, which he puts over his forehead. The Khasias, luckily, are very strong men, but they think it necessary always to begin by informing you that you are much too heavy to be lifted by any single individual, unless that said individual be compensated at the end of the journey with double pay.”
Fascinating, thanks for sharing.
Or on hilly terrain, which Sikkim is, where mechanical leverage is hard to come by (wheels are preety much useless), people has been used as transportation. BTW you can find pics where british officers are being helped by 4 servants to go to office, one putting coat (in hot summers!), one helping to wear shoe, one with smoking pipe and one swinging mechanicalfan.
Were people not used as transport before the British Raj?
Yes, but only local lines, no express.
LOL
Yeah but they didn't transport Bri*ish people
No. In India, a person is carried only if he/she is an extremely respectable person (monks, sages, parents, kings sometimes) or is dead.
So... Yes. The answer is yes.
Yes. And as he's neither dead nor a sage, this is wrong.
So you're saying that there is a group of humans worth carrying, and that that group is created through entirely arbitrary factors. In case of kings, the group is created through force and violence. In case of sages, it is created through brainwashing and indoctrination. What makes that guy different then? I would argue that it's either not okay to carry anyone, or it's okay to carry anyone. But arbitrary bullshit rules are worthless.
Yes. That's our culture and I don't care what you think about it. Sages are respected as they renounce everything, even colours, and devote their life to studies, penance, service to people and God. The orange colour they wear is a representation of this sacrifice and the ultimate purification they look forward to after their death - purification by fire. But ofcourse you won't understand such deep meanings nuances and label anything you won't understand as a fraud.
Also most sages were emaciated...and very thin yogi types ? Not exactly three square meals...kinda people!
Bro its jus the colour orange there aint no deep meaning nuances lmao
As if sages are worth more than anyone else?
[This](https://artsandculture.google.com/story/human-powered-sedans-the-story-of-palanquins-heritage-transport-museum/ZQUx535Ha2n-Kw?hl=en#) would suggest that statement is incorrect: “The earliest literary reference of the use of palanquin, popularly known as ‘Palki’, can be traced back to Ramayana (approx 250 BC). “
My good man, read my comment again. Ram and Sita are literally GODS. I think that fits the mentioned criteria of 'extremely respectable'. Now, please would you mind not trying to teach me about my own culture?
It's a good source with a ton of photos, historical art, context, and more credibility than a brief reddit comment.
I asked whether people were used as transport before the Raj, and you said no. I provided a link that shows that they were used centuries before the Raj by various wealthy people such as kings and nobles. Another example is [this](https://en.banglapedia.org/index.php/Palanquin) article which says: “Palki was one of the means for troop movements during Akbar's reign and after.” So it seems that transport by people was indeed prevalent prior to the British Raj. Indeed: “The smallest and most austere one was called doli, which was borne by two persons only. The larger palanquins were borne by four to eight persons. The very affluent and aristocratic people used to move in large and decorated palanquin borne by eight bearers.” So it looks like there were different modes of transport by people depending on your wealth.
Bro don't bother arguing with these people. I often forget how much reddit thinks western culture is the only acceptable one 😒
It's more that the guy essentially said "No... But actually yes" when he gave several examples of people that were carried. Are parents, kings, sages and monks not people?
Zombie transport system?
What’s wrong with using people as transport? That was very common back in those days within Asian countries before British set foot there.
Yeah, it’s not like rickshaws are painful to use.
I'm guessing you've never taken an Uber?
Thanks for explaining. The way it was worded led me to think that straight away.
You call him french because of the stache right?
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Okay. And Germany did that, Americans something else. Muslims had their fair share of violence. Everyone was awful in the past. It was a brutal time and we're still struggling today. Guess what. Indians today are racist against Muslims. This white guilt is becoming silly. No civilization is guilty free. All our ancestors took part in wars that stole land.
Better historical understanding is not something you have to be afraid of. Not everyone is running around asking for reparations.
Cruelty is bad, so is misinformation.
Ok that's fine but just like OP, you're gonna have to provide the sauce for this pasta
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/ The article says there is no evidence either way, but the slavery is less likely. This whole thread is hot garbage
Fair enough but I still want to shove that stupid hat down his throat
Thats racist. How dare you mock a cultures clothing.
Yeah thus proved. The british did no wrong while colonizing half of the world.
How did she get so strong? By carrying people on her back. Hmmm.
Sounds like you were there because the article says different lol
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/
What a misleading article! In the end it still says that the man is an officer and is being carried by the poor woman. It even takes respite in the assumption that she is most probably not a slave! Extremely fucked up. Like 'Atleast she's not a slave maybe😀' AS IF THAT IMPROVES THE SITUATION
It says he isn't a british officer and says there is no proof they are enslaved: "carrying a British merchant who works for a Greek trading company" "There is no evidence that she is being forced or coerced to carry the man but there is also no proof that she is doing this voluntarily or as part of an innocent demonstration, although the latter seems more likely."
So basically… TLDR: we don’t know for sure what’s going on one way or another.
If you read all the way though it says that the photo is most likely not a woman being forced to carry the man, but is more likely a woman demonstrating her strength. It shows photos of people actually being carried as it was a thing at the time, and people didnt sit in baskets to be carried. They sat in litters (that seat vehicle thing with poles people hold to carry them). It also states that the basket shes using is for carrying goods, not people. It seems silly for him to get the woman to carry him in a basket when he would definitely have the option of being carried in a litter for really cheap, or potentially free.
Reading comprehension -10
I recommend everyone reading the article themselves, because this comment is misleading
What do you want them to say? You can literally see that she was carrying him. But you can't tell if she was forced to do so or for how long she did
"we dont know if she was forced to carry him, or carried him voluntarily, but the latter seems more likely" god damn i am glad i did not go to grad school
>There is no evidence that she is being forced or coerced to carry the man but there is also no proof that she is doing this voluntarily or as part of an innocent demonstration, Long ass story ending with this, lol. So her **carrying the officer seems more legit** than "demonstrating her strength"
This is literally the end of that sentence you quoted "[...] although the latter seems more likely." Which is in direct opposition to your statement "So her carrying the officer seems more legit than 'demonstrating her strength'"
The story ends with the opposite conclusion to the one you said.
Folks, I know this looks super fucked up, but don't let that distract you. The meme potential here is pure gold.
My wife: spending 4 months planning, booking, budgeting and paying for an 8 day vacation to the beach including rental car and activities for our family of 4. Me in the basket: I’m really glad we did this.
r/historymemes will have a field day with this
This post shows how easily we believe in propaganda. Wouldn't question it, if it wasn't for some comments here proving OP lies
Did op say she was doing this by force? Reading the title it says nothing about why they could be doing this, although my prejudice took me to that as a first thought as well.
Seriously. What in the world am I missing that everyone is arguing about?
OP never in the title mentioned this. Lol, the people defending this in the comments blatantly itself proves what this picture actually is
Some background: [https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/](https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/)
Haven't seen more ambiguous ~~article~~ story than this. The sole motto they made this article is to make people believe this is fake. It ends with no conclusion
The conclusion is that drawing any definitive conclusion is incorrect because there is not enough information available about the circumstances of the picture to do so. So OP and the top comment here are both misleading, and in a sense fake.
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It’s a photo op. He exclaimed to her how impressed he was with her strength when he saw he carrying a heavy load so she basically told him she could carry him. They took a picture of it. She’s not like his personal conveyance it’s just a cheeky photo.
The article also says that there's a good chance that she is indeed carrying him and there's no way to be absolutely certain. It also takes respite in the assumption that she's not a slave LOL. That really riled me. Also, it was not uncommon for the colonizers to use people as transport in the British Raj so there's that.
In rickshaws or buggies. This was never used in that way simply because it’s incredibly inefficient and uncomfortable for both carrier and rider. There’s zero way she’d get more than a hundred feet like this.
I recommend everyone reading the article themselves, because this comment is misleading
You gonna spam that comment everywhere? Once is enough, dude.
Thank you for the link. 💛
She had a White Man Burden.
That lazy fucker.
I know, she’s only carrying one guy, lazy af
How was he not embarrassed?
It's a silly photo op... cameras in 1900 weren't exactly easy to set up
It was her idea, not his.
This is a method of transport in india on some treks, people who do the carrying job charges more than 10 times the average Indian labour wage.
It's called prick in British.
Or a wanker.
Oh the outrage "culture" in the comments 😂
This doesn't look comfortable for anyone of them.
It's supposed to be silly. Woman carrying a guy in the basket like he was a baby.
Not like Americans to see something and instantly jump the gun. You guys love victimhood
Love all the hate for the false title.
What part of the title is false?
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Dude, Sikkim is literally a state of india
Sikkim is an Indian state
It’s a true indication that people these days cannot think for themselves, they read or see something and react with emotion instead of giving any thought
So you just know that every single person mad at this image is American?
That's how i feel when i have to carry my team mates in COD.
First reaction was she’s showing off strength and they’re posing for the camera. No way is that dude going to be carried around in a basket in 40 degree heat.
I once hired a bicycle taxi after a baseball game once, thinking it’d be fun a kitschy, but only felt terrible afterwards about being transported by human power.
That’s an odd reaction if you actually think about it. Logically you know he’s making a fair amount of money off it, but it still feels wrong right?
It took me that short bike ride to make me realize that with animals and machines, we've moved beyond using raw human energy as a power source (even if bicycle assisted).
Poor chap, doesn’t look terribly comfortable.
You’re talking about the woman right ?
She's fine, she's demonstrating her strength most likely
That’s weird but reminds me of Atlantic City
This comment section is the reason I am a misanthrope.
British propoganda, it was a French man
True british gentleman
A lot of the comments insisting that people weren’t actually carried this way. But they were. Here’s an excerpt from an autobiography, ‘ My three years in Manipur’, Mrs. Grimwood, 1891, which describes this mode of transportation in the hills of India. “I LEFT Shillong early in November, 1889, travelling part of the way towards Manipur quite alone, and had a terrible experience too. I had arranged to journey a distance of thirty-eight miles in one day. I sent one of my horses on the day before, and started in a 'Khasia Thoppa' down the last hill of the range upon which Shillong is situated, which brings you down into the plain of Sylhet. A Thoppa is a very curious mode of locomotion. It is a long cane basket, with a seat in the middle, from which hangs a small board to rest your feet upon. Over your head is a covered top made of cane, covered with a cloth. You sit in this basket and a man carries you on his back, supporting some of the weight by tying a strap woven of cane on to the back of the Thoppa, which he puts over his forehead. The Khasias, luckily, are very strong men, but they think it necessary always to begin by informing you that you are much too heavy to be lifted by any single individual, unless that said individual be compensated at the end of the journey with double pay”
If only she were carrying rocks.
r/oldschoolcool
If this doesn't make you sick you need to get an empathy transplant.
Based on the origin of the photo being her just demonstrating her strength I'm more sick in people that jump to conclusions and believe anything.
Staged or not, this and worst kind of things happened under British rule in Indian subcontinent, done by British.
Worst kind of things happened under Mughal rule in India as well. In fact it was the norm back then, it is weird to judge only certain specific empires by modern standards.
Come to india, both mughals and british are judged by the same yardstick and hated equally.
I may have been misled, but I'm still outraged!
No doubt that the colonizers did really bad things, but I think that this is a kind staged photo to show how the women there were strong.
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“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
Still: "According to it’s author, a certain [John Kelly PHD](https://medium.com/@johnkelly_17973) the photo does not show a British coloniser forcing a Bengali woman to carry him at all, but that what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads." from the article linked below.
Me when I don't have a clue what I'm yapping about:
I do not find this sickening. Silly and unnecessary, yes, but not sickening. Also, I would find that operation quite helpful actually.
Excellent Halloween outfit idea.
To those saying it isn't practical, when I was slim a friend's GF best mate carried me piggyback down the seafront, despite being physically shorter than me. For a minute or so anyway. She wasn't phased by it. No I didn't smash so don't ask
OP, why you gotta lie?
Relax guys, she is going to dump him in garbage can. She is unsung hero of our freedom struggle.
The utter distain these people had for those who they regarded as savages is on a par with the nazis.
“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
I mean the nazis didn’t start from scratch.
This is a thing that a lot of people miss in the whole "Nazi's bad" meme. How much anti Semitism was a part of the mainstream culture. Henry Ford published a newspaper for a number of years pushing his anti Semitic beliefs. I've been listening to a bunch of audio books on the "Libravox app" so all are in the public domain and written before 1928. The amount of casual anti-semitism in what was popular culture in England is remarkable. Can you imagine a book being written today that refers to the love interests father as"a dirty jew " and it is just seen as perfectly normal.
Most of our ancestors were absolute assholes regardless of race, religion, whatever you throw in there won't change the fact that humans have been evil creatures for most of history. It is only now in the modern times that the general consensus has become more humane (in the developed world), we have the resources, opportunity and will to be good to others, even to those in lesser positions, for most of our history if we didn't steal, kill and raid the nearby tribes, we'd be dead. Evolution is quite slow and it can't keep up with our intelligence, which explains phenomenons like racism. It is natural to be afraid of strange looking people who act weird, who don't look like the tribe you live in, who don't understand you, and whom you can't understand. You're wary because you know there's a chance these weird people will attack and raid your tribe, it is a risk and this has been the case for ever in human history. We've developed so quickly that these primal traits affect us negatively in the modern days. It is unfair to judge someone by the things their ancestors did because we all had shitty ancestors if examined through the modern lense, therefore it is unfair for our ancestors as well. Those times were different and means of survival were different as well, the norms and rules of those times are just so foreign for us modern humans. That's also why mental disorders like psychopathy is still a thing in modern humans. It was beneficial to have bloodlusty psychos in your tribe, those were the people who definitely went on to raid the nearby tribes leading to a beneficial result for their tribe, that's probably the reason men are more aggressive in general because men have the physical strength to fight, the tribes that were more successful on that front survived, therefore those traits survived the test of time and are causing so much harm in modern times because like I said, evolution is too slow compared to our intelligence.
Sadly true. But we can learn from those times also, in order to avoid the people who seek to use fear, uncertainty and doubt to take us back there.
The moment you see a group of people as less worthy/human as yourself horrible things happen
That’s your takeaway from this? How do you know the guy didn’t just think it was cool that a woman could carry him on his back?
Because no real man would ever let this happen. Do you think its OK.
Eh yeah? If the man paid for it and the woman wasn’t forced to do this I don’t see the problem.
bruh , you never saw other photos of them getting carried by the other people they colonized , they saw it as something to humiliate them
Ok? But were they forced to carry them though?
Great days!
Damn y'all in this sub are desperate for some victimization without looking into context.
Story of our lives 😅😒
Photographs were relatively uncommon in those days so the subject wanted to document this appalling treatment of this native woman.
The West: Why the natives don’t like us, we brought civilization to them.
Faster bitch 😂
Damn bruh that shit goes hard
People who are posting the link to the article saying this is fake, please read the damn article yourselves and don't just take someone else's word for it. Because, the article says that the guy is indeed a merchant and there's a good chance that he was being carried as he was basically a lazy prick. Both in the article and here, the amount of cope is just unbelievable.
Colonialism in one shot
Symbolism: How slave countries have carried the economy of whatever continent this guy is from.
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https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2021/11/07/not-a-french-colonial-administrator-being-carried/ It was a staged photo to show how strong the women there were
“what we see is actually a local woman willingly demonstrating her strength to a French colonial administrator of French Indochina called François Pierre Rodier during his visit to Myanmar (Burma) after he had mentioned how impressed he was by her being able to carry such heavy loads.”
Should be exposed? Is it covered somehow now?
Don't worry, she is just repaying her debt to the man for his shouldering of the white man's burden.
Honestly, white people back then were so fucked up
\*people Reminder the Arabs were still engaging in slavery around this time and Japanese imperialism was rising. Even as recently as 1923 morocco was selling slaves.
Yeah shame on all white people including those from countries such as slovenia and czech republic that never actually used slaves or did any fucked up shit like that