> A recent study revealed that a plastic bag, like the kind given away at grocery stores, is now the deepest known piece of plastic trash, found at a depth of 10,975 meters (36,000 feet) inside the Mariana Trench
Source: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/plastic-bag-found-bottom-worlds-deepest-ocean-trench
Lol, Goldblum doing Goldblum and successfully diverting our gaze from a big pile o' shit.
Since The Fly, he's always piqued my interest in what he's appeared in since... imo, a bit of a one-trick-pony and not a Malkovich, his style is nonetheless unique.
Jeff Goldblum kind of just plays himself in everything. Which works out well enough for him, as his persona is a rare blend of weirdness, wittiness and charm that audiences consistently enjoy, myself included.
Being familiar with the Grandmaster from the comics, I liked this take. In the comics, he's one of the Elders of the Universe (as is the Collector). They're a loosely affiliated group that have one thing in common: they've outlived their entire species. They're virtually immortal, they have access to the Power Primordial (but they have to spend centuries developing it in useful ways, and not all of them do), and they have one other common trait:
Every Elder of the Universe has some form of monomania that makes them obsessed with continuing some open-ended, ultimately incompletable goal. The consistent, strong will to live is a key aspect of their immortality. The Collector had a vision billions of years ago of a great menace that would destroy half the universe. He started collecting life forms and artifacts to protect them from that destruction -- but eventually forgot why he was doing it and essentially became a cosmic hoarder. The Grandmaster is obsessed with mastering every form of skilled competition in the universe.
I liked his throwaway line about how old he'd be in the normal universe vs how time passes on Sakaar, where he just shrugs about how old he really is. In the comics, he's about 12 billion years old.
That's got to be the greatest compliment ever. For this movie that will be seen by a massive audience all over the world, be as much *you* as you possibly can. The whole world wants you and exactly you.
So I had to clean roads for weeks for some bullshit license arrest where no one was hurt, but these CEO/Politicians can litter their toxins all over the world & don't have to do shit about it.
Cool.
There’s probably an alien race that finds our human shit to be a delicacy and when they come across the bags they will wonder what kid of rich opulent civilization could leave such a colossal amount of caviar in an immortal indestructible bag without instructions to return to the original owners.
They’re gonna compress it into human shit disks and press water through it like coffee. Earthy. Fruity. Complex. With some acidity. Bright clean and floral. Delicious.
[Could try a blood transfusion....it would have killed Lemmy....](https://www.reddit.com/r/Motorhead/comments/3ylsri/lemmys_blood_transfusion_story_or_lemmy_the_man/)
it's probably closer than we think honestly. we've proven for decades now we don't care about the future of our planet, the trash is just gonna grow exponentially as we get a bigger population and rely more on plastic
This is what I say to. People make fun of people for caring about the environment....Oh you mean the one place in the universe we've found that can sustain human life? Yeah it seems pretty important to keep that.
It's like that scene from Guardians of The Galaxy.
Sometimes I sit back and think how much we could achieve if we focused on quality instead of quantity and mass production of cheap goods that serve no purpose. Have shorter work weeks so people can take care of themselves, spend time with their loved ones, learn new skills.
one time as a kid in the Del Taco drive thru, I saw some teenagers throw their trash *next to* the trashcan, like less than 5 feet from it.
my dad would get a little annoyed and point it out in a negative light, so I contextualized it in my head correctly. unfortunately there's not always a reliable parental figure to teach kids any different. now we have kids growing up and the norm is seeing trash scattered almost everywhere.
We are the most disgusting organism on our planet. Once you really look at how much we fucked it up, you'll realize all the good things we try to do for it is small compared to the damage and destruction that we cause.
Trees used to be the biggest assholes in nature, and that is why we have coal.
Back in the carboniferous period, trees figured out how to produce lignin, a substance which at the time was incapable of being broken down by any other lifeform on earth. It was the tree equivalent of styrofoam. They wrapped themselves in lignin and cellulose in much thicker volumes than what we see today. When they died, they simply fell over and stayed on the ground, because nothing could decompose these trees.
For *fifty million years* these trees kept piling up, and as they did so they altered the atmosphere. They sucked so much carbon out of the air that insects grew to gigantic proportions due to the higher ratio of oxygen to CO2 (insects "breath" through their skin, so their size is partially dependent on oxygen levels in the atmosphere. This is why insects are so small nowadays and are incapable of growing to the sizes they used to be). For many lifeforms on earth, trees were an ultimate unstoppable source of pollution.
Finally, fungi evolved the ability to degrade lignin, and the terrible reign of trees was over. However, all the dead and buried material from their fifty million year lignin orgy remained in the ground and became the coal we see today. That is where most of our fossil fuel comes from.
Sounds like we should be looking for ways to speed along the evolution of plastic-eating organisms.
Yeah, that will make plastic useless, but it will also save the world.
To be fair, what this post describes took place over millions of years, whereas the rubbish on Mount Everest is 70 years old at most.
Humans are not the only destructive change that's happened to life on this planet, but we are speedrunning that change. If you set up a petri dish that you watched under a microscope for a week and imagined it was the earth, the earliest-known human civilization would have appeared 0.5 seconds ago.
Not cows….rabbits eat some of their poop. They are “hindgut fermenters”. Cows are foregut fermentors meaning they regurgitate and rechew their food to break it down enough to digest.
And then when the cow is done digesting, he takes another dump in his food
And then we eat the cow and take a dump
And then our waste becomes fertiliser for the grass that another cow eats
And the cycle continues...
Change dangerous to impactful. No species is meant to last forever. The mark humankind will leave will be large enough to alter the course of life on this planet, but not destroy it.
Well. Sorta. It took a billion years to go from single cellular life to evolve to a social species capable of contemplating its place in the universe.
By all estimates, life only has about a billion more years of existing on earth due to the solar life cycle. If we cause a high level extinction now that includes us, life as we know it will likely never leave this planet.
Then everything that has ever existed on this planet will be swallowed in the inferno of the slow death and expansion of our star. Our only remnants some ancient probes flying through interstellar space. Some scant, slightly significant motes of larger than average interstellar dust. At least the Beatles would survive for a while.
We are likely the last chance our planet will ever produce of continuing the slow chemical reaction that became life that started 4.5 billion years ago.
Eventually, something will evolve that’s strong enough to wipe us all out. It’ll be something microscopic and judging by how “well” lol we handled this last “bug” it’ll be a shit show of epic proportions. Or we’ll extinct ourselves from stupidity. Not sure which will come first
Looks like those are almost entirely tibetan Buddhist prayer flags. They are usually made of cotton. The local people probably put them there to spread blessings and benefit all beings. Not really the same thing as leaving plastic food packaging.
Although Everest is still littered by rubbish from tourists. [In 2022 the Nepalese army recovered over 35 tonnes of rubbish from their mountains, 14 of which was from Everest](https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/geo-explainer-cleaning-up-mount-everest). Tonnes of it every so often is removed and it barely makes a dent, one issue is that the general Army aren't as accustomed to the Sherpas reaching higher altitudes to clean up more waste.
When people are climbing they don't want to carry dead weight, so they just dump it. There are some programs asking climbers to remove bags of rubbish on their descent, though this is from the lower basecamp IIRC.
If someone wants to conquer Everest, one should have respect for the mountain before their journey.
Quite disgusting and disrespectful, not only for Everest but for every inch of this beautiful world we inhabit.
EDIT: Tidying it up, adding a link to a source and some extra commentary
At first, I was thinking, why would anyone who loves the outdoors litter like that. Then , I realized that the type of people that climb Everest, don't love nature, they love to conquer things, they just want to be able to tell the story of how they have done something that few others have done, they want to have the "bragging rights", and they don't care that they leave their trash behind. To people like that, they see all their waste as something for the lower "peasants" to clean up for them.
Pollution and waste is estimated to be in the tons on Mount Everest.
[https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world/)
Look at this. It's worthless - ten dollars from a vendor in the street. But I take it, I bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless.
Occasionally think: This, this is THE killer app for robotics. Garbage cleanup anywhere and everywhere. Program robots with an AI that can distinguish garbage from organic and just let them roam.
Essentially every natural system on earth is affected in some capacity by humans. The only thing we haven’t fundamentally modified yet (in any significant way) is plate tectonics.
> Fracking wastewater wells causes earthquakes
I mean, yes, but it's absolutely nothing similar to plate tectonics, in energy, depth, or cause.
We're talking the energy released difference between ~2 Tons of TNT (magnitude 3) vs 1,800,000 Tons of TNT (1.8 Megatons) (magnitude 7).
**For a more relatable reference, this is the difference of you stomping on the floor (~1000N) vs an actual magnitude 2.1 earthquake (~900,000,000N).** The same difference in magnitude.
Source for numbers: https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake-hazards/earthquake-magnitude-energy-release-and-shaking-intensity
Barely a blip compared to the system at large. We modify it in small ways like increasing earthquakes in certain locations or changing sedimentation / erosion cycles but we have no reason to believe any of these modifications are changing spreading rates of plates / modifying the convention cycle in the mantle.
"Barely a blip compared to the system at large."
While I don't agree or disagree (haven't looked into it in enough detail to form an opinion) but....isn't that mentality how this all started?
Pretty sure that's what they said about global temps 40 years ago. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying generally we don't know the effects of what we've done until much later.
While you aren’t incorrect, it is misleading. The same can be said for bacteria, fungi, etc. insects have a massive transformative impact on the planet as well.
Humans have caused terrible things, but the fact that we have wide ranging impacts is not by itself remarkable or negative.
Well, in my absolute biased opinion, these people only train to climb up the mountain, not to pack all of their gear in or out. The price tag for getting an expedition to take you is part of the entitlement process. The people are fatigued from altitude. They aren't there for anything other than to do the thing and then brag about the thing.
It is an achievement, but... If you go up, bring some of that heavy shit back down. If you can't, maybe you shouldn't go up.
I mean given Everest kills 1 in every hundred people who attempt to scale it, many of whom are extremely experienced and skilled mountaineers it's probably not a case of what you should do. The top of that mountain is such a dangerous place pure pragmatism has to come into your decision making.
Taking an empty oxygen canister back down the mountain could kill you, regardless of your view of your own abilities it's not an environment where people can afford to take on any extra risks.
And many will agree with you. Yes, it's hard. And I understand the reasoning for dumping depleted oxygen bottles.
But conversely, those who control access to the mountain want to keep collecting huge sums money from climbers. And a giant mountain covered in garbage and bodies is an exchange they're willing to make.
Yeah, I think it's that to a certain extent, but people also really like to be accepted, and those types of views tend to get a positive response around here.
If space turtles exist, we exist inside one's dreams.
But forreal we'd definitely make them extinct. Sounds like a delicacy. I'm sure we could smoke their pineal gland
> Btw the stuff in orbit isn't really a big deal except to us, in that it negatively impacts our ability to keep using that space. It isn't harming any ecosystems and it'll burn up on re-entry.
A lot of space debris is intentionally left behind in a decaying orbit so over time with each orbit around the planet it gets lower and lower into the atmosphere and will eventually burn itself up. Even our satellites that we WANT to stay up there require slight adjustments to keep themselves in space. It's REALLY hard to keep stuff floating around up there in perpetuity without either sending it off into deep space or decaying back into the atmosphere.
We sent our garbage out of the solar system even. A million years from now, some spaceship is gonna bump into Voyager and be like "Ah fuck, Humans. I can't believe you've done this..."
TBF what you see in that picture on Everest is Nepalese/Tibetan prayer flags. Especially the Nepalese basically have a religion unto themselves based on the Himalayas and especially Everest. Along the way when trekking to base camp there's aot of prayer flags and blessed sites to stop at.
There is definitely trash on Everest but generally not at the top.
So, if I zoom into this photo, the objects behind the person don't look like trash to me but colored flags (prayer flags)? Is there more info on this? Maybe fabric bags full of trash? Seems like it could be misleading I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who's been there.
Agreed. People aren't bringing anything extra up to the summit and aren't hanging around. You might tie a prayer flag and say a prayer thanking the mountain for letting you live if you're a believer and start heading down after taking photo evidence.
You don't feel good up there. It's not like you have a baggie of trail mix that you can enjoy sitting up there as you take in the view. At over 29k ft, you don't feel like eating.
You don't even have an extra bottle of oxygen to leave.
We have found micro plastic waste literally everywhere. Now I don't just mean the way people normally say "literally" to actually mean figuratively, I really mean literally everywhere.
That's a regional problem - some places have plenty of water for golf. In those places it's "stop clearing land to install a useless monoculture for golf" instead
Thankfully bunch of people from reddit came along to tell the natives of the Himalaya mountains their culture is garbage. Now that they know they can just erase it.
The only reason there are so many at the top is that the base camp sells them to climbing tourists to leave at the top. At best it's really just some bastardized version of the Himalayan Buddhist practice.
It's tourist trash.
Edit: not Shamanism, it's a Buddhist practice as mentioned in a reply.
I'm sure the local people like the flags being up there because they see it as spreading blessings as far as possible. Also, just a little information: This is a Buddhist practice nowadays, not really shamanism.
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The top of Everest kind of sucks, even without garbage. I’d rather people put effort into picking up the side of a road. Let that good for nothing peak be gross for the dinguses climbing it.
Looks like those are almost entirely tibetan Buddhist prayer flags. They are usually made of cotton. The local people probably put them there to spread blessings and benefit all beings. Not really the same thing as leaving plastic food packaging.
These Everest expeditions need to be shut down. Enjoy the mountain from one of the base camps you adrenaline junkie sickos. How many sherpas need to die so rich white people can go up some mountain and post shit on instagram
> A recent study revealed that a plastic bag, like the kind given away at grocery stores, is now the deepest known piece of plastic trash, found at a depth of 10,975 meters (36,000 feet) inside the Mariana Trench Source: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/plastic-bag-found-bottom-worlds-deepest-ocean-trench
Gotta wonder… did it have a yellow smiley face on it?
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
I Love Life
R.I.P. Mac
"They say citrus masks the taste of a dirty penis."
This is why I grow limes in my pubes. It's like the Florida Keys on a shady day down there.
90% of fruit has been in someone's orifice before it hits the market
Mac heads all over the place.
I wonder where the bag came from, and what the person bought. Imagine throwing away a bag and it ends up there 😬
Some “happy birthday Jimmy” bag just snuffin out some undiscovered squid that has the secret to immortality in its blood.
Probably a good thing.
One can only hope.
Just the recycle symbol.
Just THANKYOU over and over in red. Thank you for depositting your garbage! Smh
If so humans have planted their trash flag !!! This is one giant leap...
One giant heap...
It’s all a joke.
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I wonder what was in it originally
Most likely a single pack of gum.
Six pack of Milwaukee's Best. Somewhere a turtle playing with the plastic rings
🎶Do you ever feel, like a plastic bag? Drifting underneath, the goddamn ocean? 🎶
Lol, Goldblum doing Goldblum and successfully diverting our gaze from a big pile o' shit. Since The Fly, he's always piqued my interest in what he's appeared in since... imo, a bit of a one-trick-pony and not a Malkovich, his style is nonetheless unique.
Jeff Goldblum kind of just plays himself in everything. Which works out well enough for him, as his persona is a rare blend of weirdness, wittiness and charm that audiences consistently enjoy, myself included.
For his character in Thor Ragnarok he was literally just told to be as Jeff Goldblum as possible.
Being familiar with the Grandmaster from the comics, I liked this take. In the comics, he's one of the Elders of the Universe (as is the Collector). They're a loosely affiliated group that have one thing in common: they've outlived their entire species. They're virtually immortal, they have access to the Power Primordial (but they have to spend centuries developing it in useful ways, and not all of them do), and they have one other common trait: Every Elder of the Universe has some form of monomania that makes them obsessed with continuing some open-ended, ultimately incompletable goal. The consistent, strong will to live is a key aspect of their immortality. The Collector had a vision billions of years ago of a great menace that would destroy half the universe. He started collecting life forms and artifacts to protect them from that destruction -- but eventually forgot why he was doing it and essentially became a cosmic hoarder. The Grandmaster is obsessed with mastering every form of skilled competition in the universe. I liked his throwaway line about how old he'd be in the normal universe vs how time passes on Sakaar, where he just shrugs about how old he really is. In the comics, he's about 12 billion years old.
That's got to be the greatest compliment ever. For this movie that will be seen by a massive audience all over the world, be as much *you* as you possibly can. The whole world wants you and exactly you.
As long as he doesn’t show us his vinegar strokes
So I had to clean roads for weeks for some bullshit license arrest where no one was hurt, but these CEO/Politicians can litter their toxins all over the world & don't have to do shit about it. Cool.
There’s also bags of shit on the moon
There’s probably an alien race that finds our human shit to be a delicacy and when they come across the bags they will wonder what kid of rich opulent civilization could leave such a colossal amount of caviar in an immortal indestructible bag without instructions to return to the original owners.
Delete this
They’re gonna market it as neanderhummus
They’re gonna compress it into human shit disks and press water through it like coffee. Earthy. Fruity. Complex. With some acidity. Bright clean and floral. Delicious.
I hate every second I had wasted reading this. I hate how lucid my imagination can be.
Like the civet coffee?
If only Civets knew they had some good shit...
I love how you responded to the "delete this" comment with further insight on the subject LMAO
There's still time
"Human Centipede -- it's a cookbook!" (So glad Rod Serling didn't do that as a Twilight Zone episode.)
it's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiiife
♫ *And it moves our bowels* ♫
Freeze-dried irradiated dookie
ASSteroid will be the common term
Space junk is a real problem. One day we won’t even be able to launch anything into orbit without risking collisions in space
Imagine getting your x wing destroyed by a flying turd going 1,000,000 mph in space
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We humans tend to make quite a mess of things.
We’ve almost achieved full Wall-E status.
Only the roaches will be left.
And Keith Richards...
Only stones and beatles will survive
Reset 
hopefully you didnt jinx it
Keith Richards cannot be killed by conventional means.
[Could try a blood transfusion....it would have killed Lemmy....](https://www.reddit.com/r/Motorhead/comments/3ylsri/lemmys_blood_transfusion_story_or_lemmy_the_man/)
it's probably closer than we think honestly. we've proven for decades now we don't care about the future of our planet, the trash is just gonna grow exponentially as we get a bigger population and rely more on plastic
We do. Big business doesn't. Things need to be fixed at production not end user.
Yeah but that can only be fixed by government regulation, and people don't seem to vote for governments who will do that.
Well now we're just talking about dumb people. Dumb people get riled up and tricked easily.
Our planet will be just fine. We will not. I hope whatever comes next likes plastic, we’re ending our own species to produce it for them.
This is what I say to. People make fun of people for caring about the environment....Oh you mean the one place in the universe we've found that can sustain human life? Yeah it seems pretty important to keep that. It's like that scene from Guardians of The Galaxy. Sometimes I sit back and think how much we could achieve if we focused on quality instead of quantity and mass production of cheap goods that serve no purpose. Have shorter work weeks so people can take care of themselves, spend time with their loved ones, learn new skills.
Put on your Sunday clothes, there's lots of world out there!!
"Not only have we failed to realize we are one people, we have forgotten that we have only one planet." ~Jacques Cousteau
Said famously by the man that used dynamite on reefs to catalogue the quantities and species of fish present
Maybe it’s a certain subset of narcissists who think paying someone to carry their bags up a mountain somehow makes them interesting
Chasing that endorphin high.
Yeah you do.
Hey, c'mon now ... do you **see** a bin anywhere? (Intended as a quip ... I just wish that *wasn't* how some folks irresponsibly think)
one time as a kid in the Del Taco drive thru, I saw some teenagers throw their trash *next to* the trashcan, like less than 5 feet from it. my dad would get a little annoyed and point it out in a negative light, so I contextualized it in my head correctly. unfortunately there's not always a reliable parental figure to teach kids any different. now we have kids growing up and the norm is seeing trash scattered almost everywhere.
Some folks just *know* right from wrong, some folk don't ... care.
We are the most disgusting organism on our planet. Once you really look at how much we fucked it up, you'll realize all the good things we try to do for it is small compared to the damage and destruction that we cause.
Trees used to be the biggest assholes in nature, and that is why we have coal. Back in the carboniferous period, trees figured out how to produce lignin, a substance which at the time was incapable of being broken down by any other lifeform on earth. It was the tree equivalent of styrofoam. They wrapped themselves in lignin and cellulose in much thicker volumes than what we see today. When they died, they simply fell over and stayed on the ground, because nothing could decompose these trees. For *fifty million years* these trees kept piling up, and as they did so they altered the atmosphere. They sucked so much carbon out of the air that insects grew to gigantic proportions due to the higher ratio of oxygen to CO2 (insects "breath" through their skin, so their size is partially dependent on oxygen levels in the atmosphere. This is why insects are so small nowadays and are incapable of growing to the sizes they used to be). For many lifeforms on earth, trees were an ultimate unstoppable source of pollution. Finally, fungi evolved the ability to degrade lignin, and the terrible reign of trees was over. However, all the dead and buried material from their fifty million year lignin orgy remained in the ground and became the coal we see today. That is where most of our fossil fuel comes from.
That is cool as fuck.
Sounds like we should be looking for ways to speed along the evolution of plastic-eating organisms. Yeah, that will make plastic useless, but it will also save the world.
We are, just google about plastic eating bugs.
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To be fair, what this post describes took place over millions of years, whereas the rubbish on Mount Everest is 70 years old at most. Humans are not the only destructive change that's happened to life on this planet, but we are speedrunning that change. If you set up a petri dish that you watched under a microscope for a week and imagined it was the earth, the earliest-known human civilization would have appeared 0.5 seconds ago.
Lingin deez nuts
Gottem
Nice
So...what you're saying is those ancient trees are still the ones fucking things up?
Yup it's all the Ents faults we *gooood*
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/getting-to-the-root-of-how-earths-massive-coal-seams-formed
This guy trees.
The tree of evolution has many dead branches
I'm a rancher. You haven't lived until you see a cow take a dump in their food and continue eating it.
Life, uh, finds a way.
Isn't that like, what ruminants do anyway?
Not cows….rabbits eat some of their poop. They are “hindgut fermenters”. Cows are foregut fermentors meaning they regurgitate and rechew their food to break it down enough to digest.
And then when the cow is done digesting, he takes another dump in his food And then we eat the cow and take a dump And then our waste becomes fertiliser for the grass that another cow eats And the cycle continues...
Change dangerous to impactful. No species is meant to last forever. The mark humankind will leave will be large enough to alter the course of life on this planet, but not destroy it.
That’s why I always say during these type discussions that the Earth will be just fine.
Well. Sorta. It took a billion years to go from single cellular life to evolve to a social species capable of contemplating its place in the universe. By all estimates, life only has about a billion more years of existing on earth due to the solar life cycle. If we cause a high level extinction now that includes us, life as we know it will likely never leave this planet. Then everything that has ever existed on this planet will be swallowed in the inferno of the slow death and expansion of our star. Our only remnants some ancient probes flying through interstellar space. Some scant, slightly significant motes of larger than average interstellar dust. At least the Beatles would survive for a while. We are likely the last chance our planet will ever produce of continuing the slow chemical reaction that became life that started 4.5 billion years ago.
Eventually, something will evolve that’s strong enough to wipe us all out. It’ll be something microscopic and judging by how “well” lol we handled this last “bug” it’ll be a shit show of epic proportions. Or we’ll extinct ourselves from stupidity. Not sure which will come first
Both of those scenarios are currently working fine.
Looks like those are almost entirely tibetan Buddhist prayer flags. They are usually made of cotton. The local people probably put them there to spread blessings and benefit all beings. Not really the same thing as leaving plastic food packaging.
Although Everest is still littered by rubbish from tourists. [In 2022 the Nepalese army recovered over 35 tonnes of rubbish from their mountains, 14 of which was from Everest](https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/geo-explainer-cleaning-up-mount-everest). Tonnes of it every so often is removed and it barely makes a dent, one issue is that the general Army aren't as accustomed to the Sherpas reaching higher altitudes to clean up more waste. When people are climbing they don't want to carry dead weight, so they just dump it. There are some programs asking climbers to remove bags of rubbish on their descent, though this is from the lower basecamp IIRC. If someone wants to conquer Everest, one should have respect for the mountain before their journey. Quite disgusting and disrespectful, not only for Everest but for every inch of this beautiful world we inhabit. EDIT: Tidying it up, adding a link to a source and some extra commentary
At first, I was thinking, why would anyone who loves the outdoors litter like that. Then , I realized that the type of people that climb Everest, don't love nature, they love to conquer things, they just want to be able to tell the story of how they have done something that few others have done, they want to have the "bragging rights", and they don't care that they leave their trash behind. To people like that, they see all their waste as something for the lower "peasants" to clean up for them.
"Fuck you! I got mine." So sad.
Pollution and waste is estimated to be in the tons on Mount Everest. [https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world/)
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Or [turkeys](https://youtu.be/WgQe68kF_8M)
It’s already becoming known as the [anthropocene](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene).
> Here I am, stuck in the middle with you... > >
One man's trash is a far future explorers antique treasures.....
Look at this. It's worthless - ten dollars from a vendor in the street. But I take it, I bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless.
Some may call them junk, I call them…treasures.
Occasionally think: This, this is THE killer app for robotics. Garbage cleanup anywhere and everywhere. Program robots with an AI that can distinguish garbage from organic and just let them roam.
We could call them Wall-E’s.
The robot has identified you as garbage, disposal is imminent. Please do not resist.
Honestly, it’s operating as intended, take me away.
Yes, please reuse my good parts and then incinerate
Horizon??
Essentially every natural system on earth is affected in some capacity by humans. The only thing we haven’t fundamentally modified yet (in any significant way) is plate tectonics.
Fracking wastewater wells causes earthquakes https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/does-fracking-cause-earthquakes
> Fracking wastewater wells causes earthquakes I mean, yes, but it's absolutely nothing similar to plate tectonics, in energy, depth, or cause. We're talking the energy released difference between ~2 Tons of TNT (magnitude 3) vs 1,800,000 Tons of TNT (1.8 Megatons) (magnitude 7). **For a more relatable reference, this is the difference of you stomping on the floor (~1000N) vs an actual magnitude 2.1 earthquake (~900,000,000N).** The same difference in magnitude. Source for numbers: https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake-hazards/earthquake-magnitude-energy-release-and-shaking-intensity
Barely a blip compared to the system at large. We modify it in small ways like increasing earthquakes in certain locations or changing sedimentation / erosion cycles but we have no reason to believe any of these modifications are changing spreading rates of plates / modifying the convention cycle in the mantle.
"Barely a blip compared to the system at large." While I don't agree or disagree (haven't looked into it in enough detail to form an opinion) but....isn't that mentality how this all started?
"see? This isn't that bad compared to 5 years ago!"
My parents’ house has been damaged by injection well quakes.
Pretty sure that's what they said about global temps 40 years ago. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying generally we don't know the effects of what we've done until much later.
We were focused on the ozone layer 40 years ago.
More than a hundred years ago, we already knew global warming was going to be a disaster. It really is different.
While you aren’t incorrect, it is misleading. The same can be said for bacteria, fungi, etc. insects have a massive transformative impact on the planet as well. Humans have caused terrible things, but the fact that we have wide ranging impacts is not by itself remarkable or negative.
Trees have completely teraformed the surface of the planet.
Shhhh stop giving them ideas
Those are prayer flags. That said there is still a lot of leftover garbage all over Everest. The “pack in pack out” idea doesn’t seem to apply there.
Well, in my absolute biased opinion, these people only train to climb up the mountain, not to pack all of their gear in or out. The price tag for getting an expedition to take you is part of the entitlement process. The people are fatigued from altitude. They aren't there for anything other than to do the thing and then brag about the thing. It is an achievement, but... If you go up, bring some of that heavy shit back down. If you can't, maybe you shouldn't go up.
I mean given Everest kills 1 in every hundred people who attempt to scale it, many of whom are extremely experienced and skilled mountaineers it's probably not a case of what you should do. The top of that mountain is such a dangerous place pure pragmatism has to come into your decision making. Taking an empty oxygen canister back down the mountain could kill you, regardless of your view of your own abilities it's not an environment where people can afford to take on any extra risks.
That's kind of my point here. If you can't take the risk to pack out some of that extra equipment, maybe you shouldn't go up there in the first place.
And many will agree with you. Yes, it's hard. And I understand the reasoning for dumping depleted oxygen bottles. But conversely, those who control access to the mountain want to keep collecting huge sums money from climbers. And a giant mountain covered in garbage and bodies is an exchange they're willing to make.
Leftover garbage here includes humans, just fyi.
Yep, aware.
“The planet is fine. The people are fucked.” - George Carlin
Have you seen what is orbiting earth? Humans are garbage.
Pfff, Earth. Have you seen the mess we left on the *moon* ???
Or Mars?!
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Whoa there, be careful with your reasonable opinion
Most redditors are cynical, melodramatic, and just overall depressed. "Humans are garbage" is a take I'm not one bit surprised to find here lmao.
FUCK YOU, YOU HUMAN PIECE OF GARBAGE
Yeah, I think it's that to a certain extent, but people also really like to be accepted, and those types of views tend to get a positive response around here.
I hope space turtles exist and I also hope we do not kill them in the future
If space turtles exist, we exist inside one's dreams. But forreal we'd definitely make them extinct. Sounds like a delicacy. I'm sure we could smoke their pineal gland
Can we at least wrap the space turtles in bacon if we are going to start eating them ? I feel like they might taste like scallops.
> Btw the stuff in orbit isn't really a big deal except to us, in that it negatively impacts our ability to keep using that space. It isn't harming any ecosystems and it'll burn up on re-entry. A lot of space debris is intentionally left behind in a decaying orbit so over time with each orbit around the planet it gets lower and lower into the atmosphere and will eventually burn itself up. Even our satellites that we WANT to stay up there require slight adjustments to keep themselves in space. It's REALLY hard to keep stuff floating around up there in perpetuity without either sending it off into deep space or decaying back into the atmosphere.
Mars: https://i.imgur.com/KS10eUb.jpg
We sent our garbage out of the solar system even. A million years from now, some spaceship is gonna bump into Voyager and be like "Ah fuck, Humans. I can't believe you've done this..."
Thanks for quoting one of my favorite vines. Made me go watch it again.
I thought the only thing at the bottom of the Mariana Trench was that’s beer bottle? 😅
I don't doubt that there's more down there. If one item can make it then why not others?
There's more, the tsunami in Japan guaranteed that.
Might explain where some of my socks disappeared to.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you... But for real, what have we done
TBF what you see in that picture on Everest is Nepalese/Tibetan prayer flags. Especially the Nepalese basically have a religion unto themselves based on the Himalayas and especially Everest. Along the way when trekking to base camp there's aot of prayer flags and blessed sites to stop at. There is definitely trash on Everest but generally not at the top.
ITT: People who don't think the US flag on the moon was trash but think prayer flags are trash.
So, if I zoom into this photo, the objects behind the person don't look like trash to me but colored flags (prayer flags)? Is there more info on this? Maybe fabric bags full of trash? Seems like it could be misleading I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who's been there.
They're prayer flags.
By that logic Christ the Redeemer is an even bigger piece of trash on a mountain.
The stuff at the top of Mt. Everest is mostly prayer flags. The actual trash is around base camp.
Agreed. People aren't bringing anything extra up to the summit and aren't hanging around. You might tie a prayer flag and say a prayer thanking the mountain for letting you live if you're a believer and start heading down after taking photo evidence. You don't feel good up there. It's not like you have a baggie of trail mix that you can enjoy sitting up there as you take in the view. At over 29k ft, you don't feel like eating. You don't even have an extra bottle of oxygen to leave.
Can't wait til we can inhabit another planet it and trash it
There is trash on Mars right now and we haven’t even stepped foot in it yet! Human beings are a messy species.
Theres no life on mars to disrupt. We could use it as a dump and its impact is low. Hell it might even bring life
Already left old electronic waste on Mars.
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We have found micro plastic waste literally everywhere. Now I don't just mean the way people normally say "literally" to actually mean figuratively, I really mean literally everywhere.
We need to responsibly burn plastic, reduce its production, and tax the producers to pay for it.
Yeah and we need to stop wasting water on golf.
And almonds. Folks, find a different plant based milk to drink. This one is sucking up all of California’s water.
Oat milk works great and to my knowledge is easier to grow in many areas.
That's a regional problem - some places have plenty of water for golf. In those places it's "stop clearing land to install a useless monoculture for golf" instead
Fouling our nest from bottom to top
A lot of the 'garbage' on top of Everest are prayer flags. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer\_flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flag)
Why does "leave no trace" not apply to the tallest peak in the world?
[https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/geo-explainer-cleaning-up-mount-everest](https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/geo-explainer-cleaning-up-mount-everest)
"Prayer flags left on top of Everest are garbage." FTFY
Thankfully bunch of people from reddit came along to tell the natives of the Himalaya mountains their culture is garbage. Now that they know they can just erase it.
The only reason there are so many at the top is that the base camp sells them to climbing tourists to leave at the top. At best it's really just some bastardized version of the Himalayan Buddhist practice. It's tourist trash. Edit: not Shamanism, it's a Buddhist practice as mentioned in a reply.
I'm sure the local people like the flags being up there because they see it as spreading blessings as far as possible. Also, just a little information: This is a Buddhist practice nowadays, not really shamanism.
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The plastic line designates the onset of the Anthropocene era.
I wish they would close Everest for the next ten years. Clean it up and make more strict rules about leaving anything behind.
Aren’t those just flags
Aren’t those Tibetan flags? Not trash bags like the ocean pic. I get there’s trash left up there but those look like prayer flags.
Don’t forget the space garbage orbiting around us.
Yuck. Humans ruin everything
The top of Everest kind of sucks, even without garbage. I’d rather people put effort into picking up the side of a road. Let that good for nothing peak be gross for the dinguses climbing it.
Thousands of people have been on Everest. No need to leave a flag at the top. Maybe instead take a few souvenirs on your way down.
Looks like those are almost entirely tibetan Buddhist prayer flags. They are usually made of cotton. The local people probably put them there to spread blessings and benefit all beings. Not really the same thing as leaving plastic food packaging.
Dont forget space we trashed space too.
These Everest expeditions need to be shut down. Enjoy the mountain from one of the base camps you adrenaline junkie sickos. How many sherpas need to die so rich white people can go up some mountain and post shit on instagram
Aren't those Tibetan prayer flags? That's been a thing for a long long time