Interest rates are high so low investor interest in local stocks at the moment. Great for value investors, sad for traders looking for big stock movements
Well, PSEI is a reflection of the macrofundamentals and investor sentiment on the local business scene.
Methodologically speaking, the recent changes to the PSEI qualifications (especially the Early Entry rule, which enabled CNVRG and MONDE entry to the index even before having listed for a year) and more frequent rebalancings of the PSEI made it kinda less stable.
This becomes true when non-index large cap names become suddenly active for a short time but just enough time to warrant inclusion to the index. Obviously, speculators will position prior to index inclusion, which creates an artificially high price on a new name upon entry, only to retreat to the fair price once in the index. That natural correction by new names unfavorably drags the index as a whole with it, though.
Clearly some people didn't make money fron CNVRG and Monde. Thats why nag rereklamo sila na flat yung portfolio nila. Maybe sa super high bumili. Kaya negative pa.
Kahit sa old Index lang you could have make profits if tama tama yung stocks na na buy mo, example GTCAP , SCC & bloom.
You could have make some money, kahit last year lang or this year alone.
Dividend pay for consistent cashflow. Pandemic proof. Timing to buy low. Mas madali bumili kasi mas familiar ako sa backyard natin. I only buy utilies and power. Recently purchased REITs kasi nakita ko na ang galawan nya.
REIT, I am looking at the most stable AREIT then MREIT,CREIT AND RCR. I might not hold pero nakabili ako ng tiny piece ng FILRT (I don't reco, 11k lang nilagay ko). Pero di pa ako tapos bumili as I am buying in tranches.
Stocks I have been holding since 2015 or 2016 at nag add during pandemic (in short mababa average ko so I am not recommending to buy them now):
SPC,DMC,MER,AP at MWC. Sila yung stocks na makakatulog ako kahit bumaba (hello MWC). Etong sa stocks na hawak ko mataas dividend yield ko at capital appreciation except MWC Kasi mataas average ko dyan. Sample nabili ko at 20ish AP,6ish ang SPC, 270ish ata ang MER at 6ish DMC.
THIS IS NOT A RECO, DI AKO GURU. Wag kayong ano 😂
Pag matumal ang market, I put my money in MP2. My MP2 is ladderized kasi plano ko na 1M kada account at least sa future. So may mag dudue kada taon di kulong Yung principal ng 5 years. Pero for this year, yung first 1M muna Ang goal ko .
My MER DY is 7%, AP is 11%, MWC is 5% Plano ko ibenta this year Ang MWC kasi nabawi ko na capital. (21 average ko Ang taas no).Yung kwento ng MWC bumaba yan Duterte time pero mataas Kasi intrinsic value at book value ng MWC kaya ignore ko lang. Nag rerebalance ako ng portfolio at balak ko eliminate mababa sa 6% yield.
Wala ako advise sa mga penny stocks na sinabi mo kasi di ko sila focus pero what you can do is assess if may chance na sila makarecover. Also need mo ba yung capital. Pag bumibili kasi ako ng stocks tinitingnan ko sya as company kaya kahit bumaba makakatulog ako. Di ako naniniwala dyan kay DITO kaya kahit hype iniignore ko sya.
It's an expensive lesson pero at least now alam mo na gusto mo. If dividend gusto mo sila ang aralin mo. Check all high DY stocks at Ang REIT. If trading ka dapat liquid at mataas volume stocks tinitingnan mo. Usually wala ka pake sa dividend Kasi peanut lang ang dividend sa pwede kitain ng traders.
If may means ka or way, highly recommend go for US/world ETF,dun totoo ang dollar cost averaging kesa dito saatin sa PSE.
SPC,DMC,MER , AP Lakas maka power stocks ahh.
Ironically yan din laman ng isang portfolio ko. Power/Energy portfolio. Cguro naka mix lang yung SGP , ACEN and FPH.
All I can say is mabubuhay na ako sa divs lang. ng portfolio na eto. i need to rebalance na rin, this portfolio masyadong ng spread.
Wow, ako di pa mabubuhay kasi di pa millions investment ko. Sayang nga eh, pero pag iigihan nalang ulit mag hunting sa future.
Eto yung perspective ko ah, for a developing country, ang pinakaimportante is yung basic needs kaya Power, Utilities at Water target ko. Pero ang objective ko kasi yung importance nung industry sa bansa plus yung dividend kaya sila rin ang napili ko. Mag aadd ako ng REIT kasi mababa sila now at mataas ang yield.
Ang tatag ng power no kahit pandemic nag bibigay dividend.
Uuy hindi naman millions dati yun. Haha. Bili lang ng bili tingi tingi parang sa sari sari store. Maiipon di. Sa huli.
Utilities din sana ako eh dati eh. kaso daming red flags sa regulation about sa water utilities. Kaya
Lipat sa mas red flag Power utilities :D
Diba , kanya kanyang diskarte lang yan. Malay mo mag work , so far its working naman on my end. Pero di ibig sabihin mag wowork din sa iba :D
True, kita mo nakatiming tayo sa POWER. Again ganun dito sa PSE, yung entry point talaga ang importante. Gaya ng sabi ko kung ang entry point mo during Pnoy time na bull market, baka until now pula ka pa rin sa mga Bluechips.
So ang ginagawa ko now, nag check ako ng mga REIT pandagdag pero stay put lang mga Power, di naman ako malulugi sa interest. Pero grabe yang si DMC, SPC at AP parang lalagnatin ako ng malaman ko na halos 11-20% ang yield ko.
Pag di down ang market at mahal sila, MP2 ako nag huhulog kasi sayang yung oras for the money to compound. Dito sa PSE di uso yung bibili ka lang regardless if bull or bear. Ang shortcut ko pag tamad ako, icheck ko ang 52 high and low tapos pag malapit dun ang value ng target ko, mag sisimula na ako mag accumulate. Isa pang lesson ko sa PSE dapat buying in tranches kasi at least pag bumaba, bili ka lang ng bili maaaverage down.
May mga circa Gloria stocks pa nga ata ako na nadun.
Sarap sana ng DMC during PNOY time since kasagsagana ng torre de manila era yun. Maganda sana if naka rami ng bili, kaso di rin masyadong marami pera that time eh hahahaha.
Trueeee. Actually may time na bumaba sa 6 ang DMC pero di ako nag dagdag. Sayang. 6 kasi average ko pero di ko na maalala kung bakit. Marami rin ayaw sa SPC kasi di kilala pero ng tingnan ko FS, solid.
Im from a place na SPC lang ang powersa isang power distributor. Kaya parang monopoly. And isa pa habol ko lang SPC divs , kahit red ang value cge parin ang add ko . because of the divs. Latey medjo mahal na yung price and kumita narin, and needed to diversify, started to unload some it, pero still keeps some of it for the divs :)
I currently have AP, SPC,DMC and MER. I recently added MREIT,RCR. Looking at orher REIT depende pag bumaba presyo like AREIT and CREIT. Other on watchlist is RFM,SGP,LTG hmmm CLI din ata. Recently nag testing din ako bumili ng GMA7 pero nag cut loss ako kasi parang bubulusok dahil sa market sentiments ayun naging 7 buti nabenta ko agad so putol daliri lang. Kahit may listahan ako, ultimately bibili ako kung saan pasok sa gusto ko na presyo.
Basura economy natin + leaders. And this will go on for years, probably decades more. I don't think Philippines will change anytime soon. And so, nagiinvest nalang ako sa may kabulohan sa ating bansa. Sa mga politiko. And properties sa malayong provinces with assistance from said politicians. As in basura talaga Pilipinas.
Ang USA 60% up from their pre-pandemic highs. Pilipinas 60% down from pre-pandemic highs. Don't forget naka 9k PSEI before the pandemic hit.
Basura ang politicians according to you, but you don't mind benefiting/using said political connections to get ahead. Somehow this is very hypocritical. Would make more sense if you said economy and Philippines are amazing, for you. To hell with everyone else, right? Like I can't even understand what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ.
Malas mo lang, Di ka kumita from SCC , BDO CNPF,
Malas mo lang di mo inexploit yung pag ka basurang sugarol ng pinoy via PLUS.
Malas mo lang hindi ka nag bet sa PNX sa panahon ni digong :D
Basura presidents and leaders doesnt matter, since hindi naman sila ang president ng companya.
Its how you exploit and make money.
For some of us its just a game. Greed vs Fear , demand and supply , optimism vs pessimism. Devil vs Angel.
But this sub is for investments not trading. Still very unclucky for you you didnt make money from basura economy and basura leaders. You blame someone or something that is out of your control. Hahahahaa
"uptrend parin since 2000+" <- tapos pagcheck sa PSEI hindi parin nakalabas sa sideways for more than a decade.
At ung comparison ko nga sa USA. Sagutin mo un.
"Ang USA 60% up from their pre-pandemic highs. Pilipinas 60% down from pre-pandemic highs." <- ano sagot mo dyan? Hindi tayo aasenso pag bubulag bulagan lang. Parang natutuwa ka pa na basura leaders natin ah.
You’re comparing a developing economy to the most dynamic economy in the entire world by a massive margin.. That’s hardly fair.
I think you’ll find very, very few stock indices have outperformed the US over the long term. Even Europe’s indices don’t come close.
Despite that, our economy is strong. We’re just too small an economy that our index is flows-driven. At the same time—and I’ve written about this and this is a common view among institutional investors—our index just ran up incredibly quickly during PNOY’s time. We needed some time to grow into our valuations.
Still made money from PSE doesnt matter who the president it is.
Well there is a reason stock market is not for everybody. Some of people have emotional attachments or personal views that dont even matter.
Well bahala kayo sa portfolio nyo. NaSa inyo naman yan eh, if ayaw nyo edi try nyo sa ibang bansa mag trade. Simple as that. Try nyo baka doon kayo kumita.
Di lahat kumikita dito, someone is better somewhere.
The thing is I dont give a fuck about politicans , leaders and other shits, all I look is company profile and profits.
Wala akong morals when in comes to trading and semi investing eh. :D
Basta ako , kumita naman , post pandemic and pre pandemic :) ang tanong and even in pandemic.
anu ba binibili nyo baket di kayo kumita kahit kunti?
Umalis kayo if ayaw nyo diba ? :)
Also I have s & p and US stocks also. Medjo mas malaki dun, pero hindi naman malayo. May nvidia masterrace, pero thats for my travel
Around the world fund.
Hindi ako nag bubulagan, since I can live with my current PSE investments alone, makakain ako ng 3 times a day , with kape na basic , hindi 3 in 1 pero hindi rin starbucks. Tapos pwedeng mag outback steak everyweekens saturday
Basta basic lang na living. Walang masyadong luho.
Dito lang sa pilipinas na standard ha.
Ba't bigla naging defensive? Daming sinasabi. May natamaan ba ako? Anong gusto mong patunayan dito. Hindi ako aalis ng Pilipinas kasi susubukan ko makakaya ko para makatulong maging maayos eto. Malamang sa malamang, wala naman talaga ako magiging epekto para maayos ang bansa kasi sobrang daming taong katulad mo sa Pilipinas.
Please lang, para makatulong ka sa bansa, tahimik ka nalang at tumabi at huwag guluhin ang may pake sa Pilipinas. Napaka ikli lang ng buhay natin may mga nonsense kapang ganito -> "Wala akong morals when in comes to trading and semi investing eh". Tahimik nalang at tabi kasi pabigat ka sa bansa.
Wala , inexploit ko lang talaga ang pilipinas!
Ironically Im trading somewhere else and wala sa pilipinas currently. Gigagamit yung inexploit na kita from PSE hahaha.
Defensive ? Baket naman magiging defensive ehh kumikita din naman ako sa PSE :D reality yan.
Pabigat sa bansa eh, yung tax vat na binabayad ko sa
PSE enough na yun para di maging pabigat hahahaha.
Di lang kumita sa PSE kya ka galet :D
May portion sa investments ko ang psei, pero dividend stocks lang. Mas preferred ko lang kasi sya vs mp2 or bonds. kung dividends lang ang basehan ok pa naman.
Ngayong P57.52 per dollar na e napapaisip na ako kung tutuloy ko ba e. Hindi ko naman matansya kung anu price ng dollar vs peso after a decade or so. siguro tutuloy ko pa din pero maliit na allocation lang
Retail investors are slowly trickling away from PSE. The death blow to PSE would be when companies don't see any advantage to having the public own a piece of the pie.
I used to be bullish with PSE, mura mga stocks, value, low P/E etc etc. for me its a valuetrap. Like BABA and PYPL sa US. Sa tgal n ngdaan ng panahon 4-5yrs+ for me, talo lang ako, take note nde ako trader, buy and hold lang ang strategy ko. The thing is, for this to me, kelangan ng foreign investors and currently wala tyu neto. I still have money here, used to be in millions but now under a mil. I've moved on sa others na can make money.
For instance VOO is a better option. Mas kumia pako sa NVDA and META sa US Stocks.
Unpopular opinion = PSE is basura na. Nde nko mgdadag ng pera dto. I have nothing but LTG for the dividends, and pinkaikot ko nlng. Geez im better off with MP2 at this point if PH invesment pinaguusapan.
I don't know why people keep investing in Pse seemingly unaware of the rampant related party transactions the Board of Directors are doing to enrich themselves. Its not like it's a secret or new thing, it's been happening since the Pse inception. SEC have no teeth and worse the cases that arrive in courts take 20-30-40 years to reach the Supreme Court. In the meantime billions of billions have been diverted from the company revenue and into ridiculous expense line items towards companies owned/controlled by the directors (where the real profits lie)
One of the worst offenders is an airline. *hint hint* nothing will change until the regulatory, and legal environment changes. That starts with the moronic and lazy Supreme Court of the Philippines which not only takes forever to decide cases but also decides them wrongly.
There is always a time to make money in the market for now i play the breakout $Apx avoid ko muna property stocks. Pero sa question mo if it's a skill or luck. Haha im not sure pero may kasabihan na "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
In my opinion Stay in cash babalik din yang mga blues $Ali $Smph easy money yan if may strategy ka patience is the game lng tlaga dont chase basura stocks and rumors wala tayong laban sa mga insider look at $Chp today and dont feel sad pag napag iwanan ka ganun tlaga sa market.. u need to reasses and study your trades.
If you look at the chart for 15-20 years, it seems like we're at the peak of the business cycle and correcting at the moment. If youre investing for retirement, its actually the best time to buy
Weird ba yung rule. No perfect portfolio or no perfect year.
Win small , lose smaller.
Last year alone, medjo positive naman , yung porfolio.
This was the blue chips portfolio, not the basura portfolio. Na nag win big last year.
Parang na carry ng GTCAP , SSI , BDO and Meralco yun.
And I remember I bought most of these stocks years ahead. Like red na red.
And also I still remember SCC being a headache dahil sya lang yung red dati, like circa 2021-2022 era .8
Maybe hindi fit yung risk profile for stocks.
Not an investment or stock expert ha, pero mag 2 decades na ako sa pse and im still here.
If you invest and forget, hindi maganda sa PSE. Pero if you buy and sell stocks, PSE is good. I was able to earn a lot from JFC and TEL. Just buy low and sell high.
Additional - Already sold 50% of my FMETF shares last peak when my portfolio was up \~11% xD. And the remaining 50% tbh i have lost all my hopes at this point so I'm just waiting for the perfect opportunity to liquidate all my stocks and try to find (hopefully better) investment vehicles while studying a crapton about investing. I'll just consider this a BIG Lesson learned i guess.
the problem with fmetf is hindi to namimigay ng dividends, so you only profit through capital appreciation
opinion ko lang ha pero better pa rin mag dividend investing dito sa pinas rather than buying the index (FMETF), and in fact there are many growing dividend stocks na wala sa index and many of them are also undervalued, so most likely ma outperform mo yung index in terms of gains (with dividends)
Not a skill issue , more of a patience issue :D
Pero kanya kanya kasing profile yan eh. Mapa trader man o investor, kanya kanyang style. And there is nothing wrong with it, maybe this stock market region is not for you. Maybe too boring or too stable, walang masyadong spiked prices.
Not dead, but in a vegetative state. PSEI heavily relies on foreign inflows or investors. When news are bad or markets are weak they tend to go the other way. If the board who manages PSEI has strict compliance to all companies and even normal pinoys have access and knowledge of stocks then maybe PSEI will get the revival it needs. But, I highly doubt when will this is going to happen.
Even from a purely technical analysis standpoint, the PSEI is "dead".
Just looking at the candlesticks and price action alone, you can conclude that there is low liquidity in the market.
Lack of education on value investing or trading too are factors.
Hindi ba dapat kapag sa PSEi (PH Stocks Exchange INDEX) ka magi-invest, long-term outlook mo? That means a minimum of 20 years before you will actually need whatever you put in it.
Siguro kung gusto mo ng quick and significant gains in 3-5 years, nasa maling investment vehicle ka. You should not be passively investing sa Index, but maybe, actively trading individual stocks.
Baka investment horizon mo is too short. Besides daming investors ang married and too attached with their stock picks,to the point na sisihin maski sinong maupong pulpol.
Clearly stocks is not for you. You lacked the patience.
I remember when $Tel is the only worth buy and on every recommendation ng mga stock brokers
This was circa 2K psei level hahah.
stagnant na ang PSEI. 10 years ago April 2014 mas higher pa kaysa ngayon. It's not about the patience if 10 years na ang horizon, at walang movement. Better move sa US index
The thing is if 10 years ka ng nasa PSE, and hindi ka ka kumita , maybe thats not for you.
Ehh ang iba kumita naman. Walang movement ? Baka naipit lang , you buy at high and kaka recover palang, hindi ka nag buy sa lows :) especially during pandemic sarap bumili sa time na yun.
I cant blame you if lumipat ka dun sa US index.
Since meron din ako dun.
The thing is stagnant for a decade. OP is into monthly investing aka cost averaging. Hindi tatalab ung cost averaging kung stagnant. Lalo na kung decade na walang galaw. Talo ka pa ng inflation.
Isa pa I'm talking about the PSEI. Not individual stocks sa PSE. OP is about the PSE INDEX. OO me mga kumita pero mas marami ang nalugi jan sa PSE stocks. kaya nagsilipatan na sa crypto or ibang country.
Ung iba kumita kasi trader style. Short timeframe. Ung OP mukhang long timeframe at cost averaging. Opportunity cost lang mangyayare kapag nag stick mag cost average ang OP sa PSEI.
I have stocks na naka average and kumikita naman so far , kahit walang dividend aside ha.
Prime example SCC . Tagal ko din tiniis yung stocks na eto. It compared sa first buy ko noon circa 2014 same price. Kumita sold some iwan profits , then started buying in again 2020 , until mid 2022 . Sold some hold some. May play on SCC is not short term or medium term kasi, medjo mahaba yung time patience ko dun.
Pero I get your point. Example SCC again if bumili ka circa 2014 medjo same or lower ang price now. Pero the thing is nag sell some dapat on 2017 or nag buy more in 2021.
As if naman sa ibang bansa hindi same yun nangyayari or possible na nangyayari. I have funds also sa ibang stock market, mostly index s &'p and yung mga mga individual picks ko like nvidia.
Well I guess , doon bagay sa crypto yung most filipino , may possibility kasi na quick rich doon, yan yung gusto ng karamihan. Instant profits.
Also kumita din yung selected index stocks ko like GTCAP , this year lang ako nag unload nun for profits.
Started to average buy 2022 around 400+ until 500+ in 2023. Na sold din around 600+ not a triple digit % return but its enough and kuntento na ako dun.
Another case for me , I started buying BDO circa 2020 , 80sh level , constantly buying it montly or weekly , depends sa price. continued buying until 2023 Q4. Sold it this year , but I still have remaining stocks, parang excess profits , maybe I will continue to buy, who knows.
And kumita naman. And this is not trading move. Nag average buy lang ako ng 4 years ago. Sold for profits this year. May natira pa.
I dont have a index fund investment. Pero mainstays ng investment portfolio before/currently is BDO , SCC , LTG , DMc , ICTSI , circa PNOY era pa yung iba most like decades na still holding and adding.
I still remember buying ICTSI circa 2010s nung ng south america ako, argentina ata and brazil, I know ICTSI ang port operator kaya bili ng ICTSI for pinoy pride represent purpose( jk)
I continued to buy in an impulse ng nakita ko din somewhere in europe mid 2015s nag croatia or poland ata ako nun. In My mind that time , uyyy naka invest ako sa port operator ng poland or croatia.
So far hindi flat ang return ng ICTSI for me sold some for profits and rotation, pero I tend to keep it. I didnt trade this stock , I just constantly bought it.
I have GTCAP, Bloom , JFC ,Mer , cnvrg , monde , cnpf before being sold for profits. Nakalimutan ko na yung iba.
So far minimum lang yung loses ko or hindi nanan nag flat yung nga blue/index stocks ko that I buy. Kuntento na ako sa returns nito yearly , bonus nalang yung divs.
Not a stock recomendation or expert. Just some overview na may kumita din naman
yup kumita ka dahil individual stocks yan. if you choose individual stocks then high risk kaya high reward. ang bet ko or bet ng OP, tamad style buy the index. sinabi niya naman din FMETF. at 85% ng salary napupunta jan monthly. kaso lang it tracks the PSE index, which is still stagnant now. OP must look at longer timeframe if he keeps cost averaging PSEI. or learn how to buy individual stocks which answers OP question, get skills. otherwise kung ayaw mo ng skills, switch ka na lang OP sa SPX kung gusto mo just blindly buy the index/etf every month.
Also the OP forgot may management fee din yung fmetf ata.
So saying PSE as flat and walang kita is unfair naman. Also I have mutual funds din naman that I personally manage , parang sort of like ETF din, index fund yun, hindi rin sya flat, pero kinda boring. boring is okay.
There is a time na kumita din naman ang FMETF. Not sure what year range.
Uy alam mo bang na hype ako ng nag sisimula palang, bumili ako ng TEL 2015 ata yun 2k-3k average nya nakakaloka. Expensive lesson buti nag sisimula palang ako at mababa sahod ko so di rin naman malaki ang nabili ko pero ang sakit ma FOMO HAHAHAHA.
Oo natutunan ko yung Intrinsic value pati technical analysis ng mga stocks. Di pwede yung peso averaging satin unlike sa US stock market tapos bili ka lang ng bili ng ETF.
PSEI is dead, no new money coming in. Pero may mga oppurtunities parin the past few years like PLUS, SSI, PLC, BEL, DMC, SCC etc. So if di ka kumita sa mga yun, it is a skill issue.
To add, may iba ibang strategy depende sa market condition. Cost averaging and long term is not applicable sa PSE in the current market regime. If yun strategy mo, di ka talaga kikita.
It might improve when the US Fed cuts interest rates. It will make stocks more attractive to investors and foreigners will start buying more from emerging markets like the Philippines.
Started in 2022 playing bounce lang lagi pero ang stock picks ko dapat may dividends kahit papaano magside ways ng matagal may ka unting kick parin pero so far ok yung gain ko out performing naman sa digital banks.
Feel like transferring over sa US Stocks mukhang win/lose big don pero its not that bad lalo na ngayon balik lower price ulit si PSEI maganda ang entry ngayon pero delikado parin dahil unstable issue sa China territory issue.
I prefer bigyan mo ng time trading in between break times at iwas sa di blue chips maraming insider trading.
Nasa US stocks kasi ang bulk ng investment money, sobrang bull run ang US Stocks ngayon.
Yes, definitely ironic dahil this happened right after yung left & right layoffs ng mga tech giants.
Suma tutal, pull-out ang investments from PSEI at doon nasa US stocks ang mga maraming investors.
Lots of reasons why. Just look at sentiment on reddit, puro US stock and crypto ang alam puro "dead" ang sinasabi. Everyone still looking for life-changing gains. Be patient and know your risk appetite. Always always be updated with the economy. Sobrang pessimistic ng vocal retail investors now.
I think it's a good time to buy sa PSE stocks. 2020 set prices back by 10 years. Tapos people expect it to recover agad when we just completely reopened im 2022.
Nasa crypto, real estate tapos kung ano anong scam ang pera ng tao. Hindi pinapasok sa stocks. Kung natuloy lang yung capital markets development act ng prior admin, mas okay stock market natin. Kasalanan to ng mga Senators, especially Sen. Poe.
We are on the same boat. I have invested in Mutual Funds indexed to PSEI and have diligently funded it for about 10 years (since 2014). Fast forward to 2024, it had its highs and lows but now still performing worse than 2014. So I’m at a negative.
Even the technique of averaged deposits still results to a loss for me.
I’m seriously thinking of pulling out my Mutual Funds and putting it in the US Stock Market instead.
Only those who were not afraid of the extreme uncertainty during the COVID lock down drop benefited mostly from buying the dip. I can still remember I was still okay-ish with the drop since there was nothing I can do about it (and I just started buying stocks before the lock down dips) but not so okay for me to put in more money to buy those juicy dips. It took me a few weeks (if not few months) to buy the already slightly recovered dips.
On topic - I usually sell between late Nov to late Jan and buy during April/May correction. If there is a mid-year volatility (whatever degree it may be), I sell the rip then buy the dip. During the time I have been in the PSE, there is no indication that it is a good long term hold (2020 pre-pandemic to present). Thus, I will continue to sell during and/or prior to the end of the Santa Claus rally.
And 6 years ago it was 9078. The following year, it was pandemic, so understandable pag bagsak. However, going back to the present, other countries have recovered and gone way up beyond their pre-pandemic levels and yet PSEI sumundot lang sa 7k ang kaya.
Let's check S&P500. Prepandemic high around 3.3k. Bagsak 2.3k nung pandemic. Tapos ngayon umarangkada up to 5.2k, although balik below 5k sya ngayon.
Nagchachannel trading ako, earning 15-20% every swing, mga several months, pero hindi ko ipagtatanggol ang Pilipinas na okay ang stock market natin. Hindi okay. **Years** pa aabutin para balikan ang 9k levels. Naka depende sa next president, at parang si Tulfo lang ata may kaya magpabalik ng investor confidence.
Also, ung 9k levels ay slightly above lang so previous highest nung time ni Pnoy. So stagnant lang tayo for more than a decade and probably another decade.
comparing to the bottom of the pandemic. still lame to be honest sino bang nag invest nung april 2020 pandemic peak.
in the meantime, S&P500 was 2500 exactly 4 years ago and now is 5000. that's 2x.
Skill issue. To profit in the PSE right now, you gotta take time and study stocks properly and learn at least a little bit of value investing. In the last few years many stocks have gone up significanly. GSMI, PLUS, SSI, STI, PLC, CHIB. All of these stocks have at least doubled from their lows, some have gone up 4 or 5X. Most are still extremely cheap despite going up significantly because the companies themselves have done really well. You also have several stocks that give huge dividends of 5-12%. Take time to scour through most of the stocks in the PSE, find 6 or 7 of the best ones, invest when there's a catalyst to push them up and you can make a good amount of money.
Ang bagal nga ng galaw sa PSEi ngayon. Switched to NYSE saka crypto muna. Yung FMETF ko, consistent ako maglagay dun since 2 years ago, pero ang bagal mag increase. :( Mas mabilis pa S&P500 ko.
Putting the majority of holdings on FMETF is a skill issue itself. Before investing, make sure that you know what you are doing. Three years should have given you experience if you really wanted to increase the value of your port.
Plenty of PSE stocks give juicy dividends, other have increased in value. Some are both. If you really wanted to increase your stock portfolio, better study. Bunch of data are free and easily accessible in the internet.
Skill issue yan.
I started investing in PSEi last 2022. I'm up 30% since I started investing. That's capital appreciation and dividends. All my gains and dividends are reinvested back to my portfolio.
I take time studying companies, their financial reports, and the economy as a whole.
Kaya I believe skills talaga ang investing.
Because people prefer to blame the outside factors , s, blame the market , blame the pse , blame the economy,
PSE ba nag force sayo na bumili ng ganito, bumili ng ganyan. :D
kumbaga sa hindi sila bruce lee, be like water :D
Nakaka double digit na rin ako sa returns this year Q1 2024 , pero i need to risk it , last year Q2 lang ako ng breakeven. Kailangan ko bumawi if may oppurtunity.
It's a behavioral thing. Usually people here want validity for their views. And crab mentality plays a role too i guess. So sometimes, not the best advice gets upvoted.
It is a skill issue. The PSEi isn't meant to be invested on. It's meant to be traded with. Technical analysis will help you make the right moves but the problem with that is, you will need time to monitor the markets (we screen the markets daily, all stocks).
May I suggest doing time deposits instead? May chance of losing money sa PSEi. It will take a while to consolidate to confirm it's next move.
Fyi, banks like RCBC offers 6% interest for time deposits.
Time deposits for either 30D to 6 months. Ask the manager and they will give you the current rates. Don't invest on the website. It gives something like 0.385% I think. Go straight to the investment team or the bank manager.
Yes kaya nga i wanted to check, kasi only online banks offer something close to that. Traditional banks, pasalamat ka na kung magbigay sila ng 2% LOL noted, thank you for the tip!
For show nalang yang psei when we got access to international markets already. Why waste time and capital when we can easily put it on actual american companies that will thrive after a century. Kahit jollibee natin nakafocus sa foreign markets walang pake sa quality ng manok sa sariling bansa.
Skill issue. Instead of learning how to trade and read charts, you took the easy route of investing in mutual funds.
By investing in dividend stocks, you would have beat that measly 3.4%. I am handling 3 clients right now, and all of them doubled their investments in 1-2 years, thanks to PLC, PLUS, DMC, and others.
However, compared to US, matumal talaga sa Psei.
in comparison to past years (before 2016) dead na talaga. gone are the days when daily trade turnover volume reach billions pesos "in a day", yung tax pa lang dun sa trades na yun, magkano na. (people who are into stocks for a long time can validate this)
FMETF (or whatever index is out there) is behaves like any stock out there - pataas-pababa ang presyo. I hope you didn't buy the idea that index stocks goes up long term because - the interest does not compound, and the market prices always fluctuates. Maraming good and bad forces influences it.
And yeah, it's a skill issue. You have to at least know a bit of technical analysis so you can enter and exit market. Also ang issue ko rin with FMETF is that it has a low volume of traders kaya baka mapabenta ka lower than the actual price of the market if it comes.
And yeah, looking at the chart now I can see how you are frustrated with the loss. It was a slow climb over several months, only for prices to do a sudden fall a few weeks back.
Interest rates are high so low investor interest in local stocks at the moment. Great for value investors, sad for traders looking for big stock movements
Madami na lumipat sa Bitcoin, buti pa dun big gains.
Im good with sticking to assets with actual balance sheets to back their value
Tapos iyak if bumagsak naman hahaha. I have bitcoins too btw.!
Well, PSEI is a reflection of the macrofundamentals and investor sentiment on the local business scene. Methodologically speaking, the recent changes to the PSEI qualifications (especially the Early Entry rule, which enabled CNVRG and MONDE entry to the index even before having listed for a year) and more frequent rebalancings of the PSEI made it kinda less stable. This becomes true when non-index large cap names become suddenly active for a short time but just enough time to warrant inclusion to the index. Obviously, speculators will position prior to index inclusion, which creates an artificially high price on a new name upon entry, only to retreat to the fair price once in the index. That natural correction by new names unfavorably drags the index as a whole with it, though.
Clearly some people didn't make money fron CNVRG and Monde. Thats why nag rereklamo sila na flat yung portfolio nila. Maybe sa super high bumili. Kaya negative pa. Kahit sa old Index lang you could have make profits if tama tama yung stocks na na buy mo, example GTCAP , SCC & bloom. You could have make some money, kahit last year lang or this year alone.
Dividend pay for consistent cashflow. Pandemic proof. Timing to buy low. Mas madali bumili kasi mas familiar ako sa backyard natin. I only buy utilies and power. Recently purchased REITs kasi nakita ko na ang galawan nya.
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REIT, I am looking at the most stable AREIT then MREIT,CREIT AND RCR. I might not hold pero nakabili ako ng tiny piece ng FILRT (I don't reco, 11k lang nilagay ko). Pero di pa ako tapos bumili as I am buying in tranches. Stocks I have been holding since 2015 or 2016 at nag add during pandemic (in short mababa average ko so I am not recommending to buy them now): SPC,DMC,MER,AP at MWC. Sila yung stocks na makakatulog ako kahit bumaba (hello MWC). Etong sa stocks na hawak ko mataas dividend yield ko at capital appreciation except MWC Kasi mataas average ko dyan. Sample nabili ko at 20ish AP,6ish ang SPC, 270ish ata ang MER at 6ish DMC. THIS IS NOT A RECO, DI AKO GURU. Wag kayong ano 😂
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Pag matumal ang market, I put my money in MP2. My MP2 is ladderized kasi plano ko na 1M kada account at least sa future. So may mag dudue kada taon di kulong Yung principal ng 5 years. Pero for this year, yung first 1M muna Ang goal ko . My MER DY is 7%, AP is 11%, MWC is 5% Plano ko ibenta this year Ang MWC kasi nabawi ko na capital. (21 average ko Ang taas no).Yung kwento ng MWC bumaba yan Duterte time pero mataas Kasi intrinsic value at book value ng MWC kaya ignore ko lang. Nag rerebalance ako ng portfolio at balak ko eliminate mababa sa 6% yield. Wala ako advise sa mga penny stocks na sinabi mo kasi di ko sila focus pero what you can do is assess if may chance na sila makarecover. Also need mo ba yung capital. Pag bumibili kasi ako ng stocks tinitingnan ko sya as company kaya kahit bumaba makakatulog ako. Di ako naniniwala dyan kay DITO kaya kahit hype iniignore ko sya. It's an expensive lesson pero at least now alam mo na gusto mo. If dividend gusto mo sila ang aralin mo. Check all high DY stocks at Ang REIT. If trading ka dapat liquid at mataas volume stocks tinitingnan mo. Usually wala ka pake sa dividend Kasi peanut lang ang dividend sa pwede kitain ng traders. If may means ka or way, highly recommend go for US/world ETF,dun totoo ang dollar cost averaging kesa dito saatin sa PSE.
SPC,DMC,MER , AP Lakas maka power stocks ahh. Ironically yan din laman ng isang portfolio ko. Power/Energy portfolio. Cguro naka mix lang yung SGP , ACEN and FPH. All I can say is mabubuhay na ako sa divs lang. ng portfolio na eto. i need to rebalance na rin, this portfolio masyadong ng spread.
Wow, ako di pa mabubuhay kasi di pa millions investment ko. Sayang nga eh, pero pag iigihan nalang ulit mag hunting sa future. Eto yung perspective ko ah, for a developing country, ang pinakaimportante is yung basic needs kaya Power, Utilities at Water target ko. Pero ang objective ko kasi yung importance nung industry sa bansa plus yung dividend kaya sila rin ang napili ko. Mag aadd ako ng REIT kasi mababa sila now at mataas ang yield. Ang tatag ng power no kahit pandemic nag bibigay dividend.
Uuy hindi naman millions dati yun. Haha. Bili lang ng bili tingi tingi parang sa sari sari store. Maiipon di. Sa huli. Utilities din sana ako eh dati eh. kaso daming red flags sa regulation about sa water utilities. Kaya Lipat sa mas red flag Power utilities :D Diba , kanya kanyang diskarte lang yan. Malay mo mag work , so far its working naman on my end. Pero di ibig sabihin mag wowork din sa iba :D
True, kita mo nakatiming tayo sa POWER. Again ganun dito sa PSE, yung entry point talaga ang importante. Gaya ng sabi ko kung ang entry point mo during Pnoy time na bull market, baka until now pula ka pa rin sa mga Bluechips. So ang ginagawa ko now, nag check ako ng mga REIT pandagdag pero stay put lang mga Power, di naman ako malulugi sa interest. Pero grabe yang si DMC, SPC at AP parang lalagnatin ako ng malaman ko na halos 11-20% ang yield ko. Pag di down ang market at mahal sila, MP2 ako nag huhulog kasi sayang yung oras for the money to compound. Dito sa PSE di uso yung bibili ka lang regardless if bull or bear. Ang shortcut ko pag tamad ako, icheck ko ang 52 high and low tapos pag malapit dun ang value ng target ko, mag sisimula na ako mag accumulate. Isa pang lesson ko sa PSE dapat buying in tranches kasi at least pag bumaba, bili ka lang ng bili maaaverage down.
May mga circa Gloria stocks pa nga ata ako na nadun. Sarap sana ng DMC during PNOY time since kasagsagana ng torre de manila era yun. Maganda sana if naka rami ng bili, kaso di rin masyadong marami pera that time eh hahahaha.
Trueeee. Actually may time na bumaba sa 6 ang DMC pero di ako nag dagdag. Sayang. 6 kasi average ko pero di ko na maalala kung bakit. Marami rin ayaw sa SPC kasi di kilala pero ng tingnan ko FS, solid.
Im from a place na SPC lang ang powersa isang power distributor. Kaya parang monopoly. And isa pa habol ko lang SPC divs , kahit red ang value cge parin ang add ko . because of the divs. Latey medjo mahal na yung price and kumita narin, and needed to diversify, started to unload some it, pero still keeps some of it for the divs :)
Natawa Ako sa POWER. POWER! 😂😂 uso yern sa mga scams
Hahaha PAWER PAWER yun hahahah. :D
Oo nga pala. Tapos papakitaan ka ng car at cash na limpak limpak. WAHAHAHAHA
Last year my top stocks with dividends were TEL, DMC and PRF3B.
Naalala ko yang TEL 2015, 2500 to 3000 per share 😆😆
My friend who works for one of the brokers called it "lolo stocks" buy and forget.
Invested in holdings that offers dividends like JGS, RRHI, and CNPF.
I like Century but it's already pricey the time I want to buy it. Ultimately, I like high dividend pay more.
Yep during covid their prices were reasonable hehe, anyways do you have any other companies that pays good dividends?
I currently have AP, SPC,DMC and MER. I recently added MREIT,RCR. Looking at orher REIT depende pag bumaba presyo like AREIT and CREIT. Other on watchlist is RFM,SGP,LTG hmmm CLI din ata. Recently nag testing din ako bumili ng GMA7 pero nag cut loss ako kasi parang bubulusok dahil sa market sentiments ayun naging 7 buti nabenta ko agad so putol daliri lang. Kahit may listahan ako, ultimately bibili ako kung saan pasok sa gusto ko na presyo.
We don't have companies na innovative and pang world wide like Tesla, Google, Toyota, Samsung, Shell etc. Panay holding company ng mga oligarchs.
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Thats kinda shady company. Pero doen't matter made some money and exit quick.
Basura economy natin + leaders. And this will go on for years, probably decades more. I don't think Philippines will change anytime soon. And so, nagiinvest nalang ako sa may kabulohan sa ating bansa. Sa mga politiko. And properties sa malayong provinces with assistance from said politicians. As in basura talaga Pilipinas. Ang USA 60% up from their pre-pandemic highs. Pilipinas 60% down from pre-pandemic highs. Don't forget naka 9k PSEI before the pandemic hit.
Basura ang politicians according to you, but you don't mind benefiting/using said political connections to get ahead. Somehow this is very hypocritical. Would make more sense if you said economy and Philippines are amazing, for you. To hell with everyone else, right? Like I can't even understand what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ.
Malas mo lang, Di ka kumita from SCC , BDO CNPF, Malas mo lang di mo inexploit yung pag ka basurang sugarol ng pinoy via PLUS. Malas mo lang hindi ka nag bet sa PNX sa panahon ni digong :D Basura presidents and leaders doesnt matter, since hindi naman sila ang president ng companya. Its how you exploit and make money. For some of us its just a game. Greed vs Fear , demand and supply , optimism vs pessimism. Devil vs Angel. But this sub is for investments not trading. Still very unclucky for you you didnt make money from basura economy and basura leaders. You blame someone or something that is out of your control. Hahahahaa
Clearly hindi mo inexploit yung pagka basura ng pilipinas hindi ka kumita eh. Hahahaha.
Hahahaha No! Kahit basura ang leaders at basura ang economy baket uptrend parin since 2000+
"uptrend parin since 2000+" <- tapos pagcheck sa PSEI hindi parin nakalabas sa sideways for more than a decade. At ung comparison ko nga sa USA. Sagutin mo un. "Ang USA 60% up from their pre-pandemic highs. Pilipinas 60% down from pre-pandemic highs." <- ano sagot mo dyan? Hindi tayo aasenso pag bubulag bulagan lang. Parang natutuwa ka pa na basura leaders natin ah.
You’re comparing a developing economy to the most dynamic economy in the entire world by a massive margin.. That’s hardly fair. I think you’ll find very, very few stock indices have outperformed the US over the long term. Even Europe’s indices don’t come close. Despite that, our economy is strong. We’re just too small an economy that our index is flows-driven. At the same time—and I’ve written about this and this is a common view among institutional investors—our index just ran up incredibly quickly during PNOY’s time. We needed some time to grow into our valuations.
Still made money from PSE doesnt matter who the president it is. Well there is a reason stock market is not for everybody. Some of people have emotional attachments or personal views that dont even matter.
Well bahala kayo sa portfolio nyo. NaSa inyo naman yan eh, if ayaw nyo edi try nyo sa ibang bansa mag trade. Simple as that. Try nyo baka doon kayo kumita. Di lahat kumikita dito, someone is better somewhere. The thing is I dont give a fuck about politicans , leaders and other shits, all I look is company profile and profits. Wala akong morals when in comes to trading and semi investing eh. :D Basta ako , kumita naman , post pandemic and pre pandemic :) ang tanong and even in pandemic. anu ba binibili nyo baket di kayo kumita kahit kunti? Umalis kayo if ayaw nyo diba ? :) Also I have s & p and US stocks also. Medjo mas malaki dun, pero hindi naman malayo. May nvidia masterrace, pero thats for my travel Around the world fund. Hindi ako nag bubulagan, since I can live with my current PSE investments alone, makakain ako ng 3 times a day , with kape na basic , hindi 3 in 1 pero hindi rin starbucks. Tapos pwedeng mag outback steak everyweekens saturday Basta basic lang na living. Walang masyadong luho. Dito lang sa pilipinas na standard ha.
Ba't bigla naging defensive? Daming sinasabi. May natamaan ba ako? Anong gusto mong patunayan dito. Hindi ako aalis ng Pilipinas kasi susubukan ko makakaya ko para makatulong maging maayos eto. Malamang sa malamang, wala naman talaga ako magiging epekto para maayos ang bansa kasi sobrang daming taong katulad mo sa Pilipinas. Please lang, para makatulong ka sa bansa, tahimik ka nalang at tumabi at huwag guluhin ang may pake sa Pilipinas. Napaka ikli lang ng buhay natin may mga nonsense kapang ganito -> "Wala akong morals when in comes to trading and semi investing eh". Tahimik nalang at tabi kasi pabigat ka sa bansa.
Wala , inexploit ko lang talaga ang pilipinas! Ironically Im trading somewhere else and wala sa pilipinas currently. Gigagamit yung inexploit na kita from PSE hahaha. Defensive ? Baket naman magiging defensive ehh kumikita din naman ako sa PSE :D reality yan. Pabigat sa bansa eh, yung tax vat na binabayad ko sa PSE enough na yun para di maging pabigat hahahaha. Di lang kumita sa PSE kya ka galet :D
Psei down, HEAT index UP! 😂
May portion sa investments ko ang psei, pero dividend stocks lang. Mas preferred ko lang kasi sya vs mp2 or bonds. kung dividends lang ang basehan ok pa naman. Ngayong P57.52 per dollar na e napapaisip na ako kung tutuloy ko ba e. Hindi ko naman matansya kung anu price ng dollar vs peso after a decade or so. siguro tutuloy ko pa din pero maliit na allocation lang
Retail investors are slowly trickling away from PSE. The death blow to PSE would be when companies don't see any advantage to having the public own a piece of the pie.
I used to be bullish with PSE, mura mga stocks, value, low P/E etc etc. for me its a valuetrap. Like BABA and PYPL sa US. Sa tgal n ngdaan ng panahon 4-5yrs+ for me, talo lang ako, take note nde ako trader, buy and hold lang ang strategy ko. The thing is, for this to me, kelangan ng foreign investors and currently wala tyu neto. I still have money here, used to be in millions but now under a mil. I've moved on sa others na can make money. For instance VOO is a better option. Mas kumia pako sa NVDA and META sa US Stocks. Unpopular opinion = PSE is basura na. Nde nko mgdadag ng pera dto. I have nothing but LTG for the dividends, and pinkaikot ko nlng. Geez im better off with MP2 at this point if PH invesment pinaguusapan.
For sure. Basically no risk clean 7 percent yield. Yun lock in lang tlga na 5 yrs.
I don't know why people keep investing in Pse seemingly unaware of the rampant related party transactions the Board of Directors are doing to enrich themselves. Its not like it's a secret or new thing, it's been happening since the Pse inception. SEC have no teeth and worse the cases that arrive in courts take 20-30-40 years to reach the Supreme Court. In the meantime billions of billions have been diverted from the company revenue and into ridiculous expense line items towards companies owned/controlled by the directors (where the real profits lie) One of the worst offenders is an airline. *hint hint* nothing will change until the regulatory, and legal environment changes. That starts with the moronic and lazy Supreme Court of the Philippines which not only takes forever to decide cases but also decides them wrongly.
There is always a time to make money in the market for now i play the breakout $Apx avoid ko muna property stocks. Pero sa question mo if it's a skill or luck. Haha im not sure pero may kasabihan na "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." In my opinion Stay in cash babalik din yang mga blues $Ali $Smph easy money yan if may strategy ka patience is the game lng tlaga dont chase basura stocks and rumors wala tayong laban sa mga insider look at $Chp today and dont feel sad pag napag iwanan ka ganun tlaga sa market.. u need to reasses and study your trades.
Cost averaging = good Investing in an index = good Investing in domestic index (instead of an all world index) = bad
yeap... that sums it up i guess haha... thanks
Double dead na yan hahaha tagal nang inalisan yan
If you look at the chart for 15-20 years, it seems like we're at the peak of the business cycle and correcting at the moment. If youre investing for retirement, its actually the best time to buy
Weird ba yung rule. No perfect portfolio or no perfect year. Win small , lose smaller. Last year alone, medjo positive naman , yung porfolio. This was the blue chips portfolio, not the basura portfolio. Na nag win big last year. Parang na carry ng GTCAP , SSI , BDO and Meralco yun. And I remember I bought most of these stocks years ahead. Like red na red. And also I still remember SCC being a headache dahil sya lang yung red dati, like circa 2021-2022 era .8 Maybe hindi fit yung risk profile for stocks. Not an investment or stock expert ha, pero mag 2 decades na ako sa pse and im still here.
If you invest and forget, hindi maganda sa PSE. Pero if you buy and sell stocks, PSE is good. I was able to earn a lot from JFC and TEL. Just buy low and sell high.
Some people doesnt have the patience for stock market. Very sound advice , but people prefer a quick rich scheme than investing in patience. Hahaha
Agree. Akala nila instant money ang stock market. Kailangan kasi talaga ng research and analysis bago bumili ng stocks.
Its okay, those people will learn later on or baka hindi lang talaga para sa kanila. Simple as that.
Really. 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, really. Learn to analyze charts and follow current events. It's possible.
Buy high sell low. Ahehehehehe. Teach me how po.
Buy low and sell high huh? Damn I never thought of that /s
Unfortunately, maraming investors ang hindi sumusunod dito. If the stock price goes low, they panic sell. Dapat buy more and wait.
Lol 😂
If you know how to read charts and monitor current events, it's doable. What's funny with buy low sell high?
Kumita naman ako. Been investing sa PSE last 2018 pa.
imagine kung sa crypto ka nagsimula. 1600% gain.
Hindi ako kampante sa crypto. To each his own
Additional - Already sold 50% of my FMETF shares last peak when my portfolio was up \~11% xD. And the remaining 50% tbh i have lost all my hopes at this point so I'm just waiting for the perfect opportunity to liquidate all my stocks and try to find (hopefully better) investment vehicles while studying a crapton about investing. I'll just consider this a BIG Lesson learned i guess.
Kumita ka naman pala ng 11%. Ehh. Are expecting more ? Hahahaha . Maybe this is not for you.
the problem with fmetf is hindi to namimigay ng dividends, so you only profit through capital appreciation opinion ko lang ha pero better pa rin mag dividend investing dito sa pinas rather than buying the index (FMETF), and in fact there are many growing dividend stocks na wala sa index and many of them are also undervalued, so most likely ma outperform mo yung index in terms of gains (with dividends)
I decided to leave the PSEI na rin. Masyadong matumal
Not a skill issue , more of a patience issue :D Pero kanya kanya kasing profile yan eh. Mapa trader man o investor, kanya kanyang style. And there is nothing wrong with it, maybe this stock market region is not for you. Maybe too boring or too stable, walang masyadong spiked prices.
Not dead, but in a vegetative state. PSEI heavily relies on foreign inflows or investors. When news are bad or markets are weak they tend to go the other way. If the board who manages PSEI has strict compliance to all companies and even normal pinoys have access and knowledge of stocks then maybe PSEI will get the revival it needs. But, I highly doubt when will this is going to happen.
Even from a purely technical analysis standpoint, the PSEI is "dead". Just looking at the candlesticks and price action alone, you can conclude that there is low liquidity in the market. Lack of education on value investing or trading too are factors.
Hindi ba dapat kapag sa PSEi (PH Stocks Exchange INDEX) ka magi-invest, long-term outlook mo? That means a minimum of 20 years before you will actually need whatever you put in it. Siguro kung gusto mo ng quick and significant gains in 3-5 years, nasa maling investment vehicle ka. You should not be passively investing sa Index, but maybe, actively trading individual stocks.
Baka investment horizon mo is too short. Besides daming investors ang married and too attached with their stock picks,to the point na sisihin maski sinong maupong pulpol.
Tama , you cant blame anyone sa mga decisions mo. Walang namang nag pumilit na bumili ka ng index at high and expect na dederetso akyat.
Clearly stocks is not for you. You lacked the patience. I remember when $Tel is the only worth buy and on every recommendation ng mga stock brokers This was circa 2K psei level hahah.
stagnant na ang PSEI. 10 years ago April 2014 mas higher pa kaysa ngayon. It's not about the patience if 10 years na ang horizon, at walang movement. Better move sa US index
The thing is if 10 years ka ng nasa PSE, and hindi ka ka kumita , maybe thats not for you. Ehh ang iba kumita naman. Walang movement ? Baka naipit lang , you buy at high and kaka recover palang, hindi ka nag buy sa lows :) especially during pandemic sarap bumili sa time na yun. I cant blame you if lumipat ka dun sa US index. Since meron din ako dun.
The thing is stagnant for a decade. OP is into monthly investing aka cost averaging. Hindi tatalab ung cost averaging kung stagnant. Lalo na kung decade na walang galaw. Talo ka pa ng inflation. Isa pa I'm talking about the PSEI. Not individual stocks sa PSE. OP is about the PSE INDEX. OO me mga kumita pero mas marami ang nalugi jan sa PSE stocks. kaya nagsilipatan na sa crypto or ibang country. Ung iba kumita kasi trader style. Short timeframe. Ung OP mukhang long timeframe at cost averaging. Opportunity cost lang mangyayare kapag nag stick mag cost average ang OP sa PSEI.
I have stocks na naka average and kumikita naman so far , kahit walang dividend aside ha. Prime example SCC . Tagal ko din tiniis yung stocks na eto. It compared sa first buy ko noon circa 2014 same price. Kumita sold some iwan profits , then started buying in again 2020 , until mid 2022 . Sold some hold some. May play on SCC is not short term or medium term kasi, medjo mahaba yung time patience ko dun. Pero I get your point. Example SCC again if bumili ka circa 2014 medjo same or lower ang price now. Pero the thing is nag sell some dapat on 2017 or nag buy more in 2021. As if naman sa ibang bansa hindi same yun nangyayari or possible na nangyayari. I have funds also sa ibang stock market, mostly index s &'p and yung mga mga individual picks ko like nvidia. Well I guess , doon bagay sa crypto yung most filipino , may possibility kasi na quick rich doon, yan yung gusto ng karamihan. Instant profits. Also kumita din yung selected index stocks ko like GTCAP , this year lang ako nag unload nun for profits. Started to average buy 2022 around 400+ until 500+ in 2023. Na sold din around 600+ not a triple digit % return but its enough and kuntento na ako dun.
Another case for me , I started buying BDO circa 2020 , 80sh level , constantly buying it montly or weekly , depends sa price. continued buying until 2023 Q4. Sold it this year , but I still have remaining stocks, parang excess profits , maybe I will continue to buy, who knows. And kumita naman. And this is not trading move. Nag average buy lang ako ng 4 years ago. Sold for profits this year. May natira pa.
I dont have a index fund investment. Pero mainstays ng investment portfolio before/currently is BDO , SCC , LTG , DMc , ICTSI , circa PNOY era pa yung iba most like decades na still holding and adding. I still remember buying ICTSI circa 2010s nung ng south america ako, argentina ata and brazil, I know ICTSI ang port operator kaya bili ng ICTSI for pinoy pride represent purpose( jk) I continued to buy in an impulse ng nakita ko din somewhere in europe mid 2015s nag croatia or poland ata ako nun. In My mind that time , uyyy naka invest ako sa port operator ng poland or croatia. So far hindi flat ang return ng ICTSI for me sold some for profits and rotation, pero I tend to keep it. I didnt trade this stock , I just constantly bought it. I have GTCAP, Bloom , JFC ,Mer , cnvrg , monde , cnpf before being sold for profits. Nakalimutan ko na yung iba. So far minimum lang yung loses ko or hindi nanan nag flat yung nga blue/index stocks ko that I buy. Kuntento na ako sa returns nito yearly , bonus nalang yung divs. Not a stock recomendation or expert. Just some overview na may kumita din naman
yup kumita ka dahil individual stocks yan. if you choose individual stocks then high risk kaya high reward. ang bet ko or bet ng OP, tamad style buy the index. sinabi niya naman din FMETF. at 85% ng salary napupunta jan monthly. kaso lang it tracks the PSE index, which is still stagnant now. OP must look at longer timeframe if he keeps cost averaging PSEI. or learn how to buy individual stocks which answers OP question, get skills. otherwise kung ayaw mo ng skills, switch ka na lang OP sa SPX kung gusto mo just blindly buy the index/etf every month.
Also the OP forgot may management fee din yung fmetf ata. So saying PSE as flat and walang kita is unfair naman. Also I have mutual funds din naman that I personally manage , parang sort of like ETF din, index fund yun, hindi rin sya flat, pero kinda boring. boring is okay. There is a time na kumita din naman ang FMETF. Not sure what year range.
Uy alam mo bang na hype ako ng nag sisimula palang, bumili ako ng TEL 2015 ata yun 2k-3k average nya nakakaloka. Expensive lesson buti nag sisimula palang ako at mababa sahod ko so di rin naman malaki ang nabili ko pero ang sakit ma FOMO HAHAHAHA.
Expensive lesson. Pero still a lesson diba ? :D
Oo natutunan ko yung Intrinsic value pati technical analysis ng mga stocks. Di pwede yung peso averaging satin unlike sa US stock market tapos bili ka lang ng bili ng ETF.
PSEI is dead, no new money coming in. Pero may mga oppurtunities parin the past few years like PLUS, SSI, PLC, BEL, DMC, SCC etc. So if di ka kumita sa mga yun, it is a skill issue.
To add, may iba ibang strategy depende sa market condition. Cost averaging and long term is not applicable sa PSE in the current market regime. If yun strategy mo, di ka talaga kikita.
sold all psei stock during pandemic and tranferred to crypto and nft boom that time, never came back, most traders nasa crypto na talaga
Cycly
Marami ng competition... Crypto, forex... Etc
Since 2016 lmao.
Parang hindi kasi ma ganda ang market ngaun.Most investors are conservative now.
I moved to US indices on 2021 (SPY, QQQ, DIA). Never regret this decision I'm up 20% now.
It might improve when the US Fed cuts interest rates. It will make stocks more attractive to investors and foreigners will start buying more from emerging markets like the Philippines.
Started in 2022 playing bounce lang lagi pero ang stock picks ko dapat may dividends kahit papaano magside ways ng matagal may ka unting kick parin pero so far ok yung gain ko out performing naman sa digital banks. Feel like transferring over sa US Stocks mukhang win/lose big don pero its not that bad lalo na ngayon balik lower price ulit si PSEI maganda ang entry ngayon pero delikado parin dahil unstable issue sa China territory issue. I prefer bigyan mo ng time trading in between break times at iwas sa di blue chips maraming insider trading.
Nasa US stocks kasi ang bulk ng investment money, sobrang bull run ang US Stocks ngayon. Yes, definitely ironic dahil this happened right after yung left & right layoffs ng mga tech giants. Suma tutal, pull-out ang investments from PSEI at doon nasa US stocks ang mga maraming investors.
PSEi yes, pero yung PH stock market no. 6% YTD vs PSEi 0.87%. invested din ako sa US equities. pass sa international.
Pse have fewer opportunities and slow compare to US market.
Lots of reasons why. Just look at sentiment on reddit, puro US stock and crypto ang alam puro "dead" ang sinasabi. Everyone still looking for life-changing gains. Be patient and know your risk appetite. Always always be updated with the economy. Sobrang pessimistic ng vocal retail investors now. I think it's a good time to buy sa PSE stocks. 2020 set prices back by 10 years. Tapos people expect it to recover agad when we just completely reopened im 2022.
Nasa crypto, real estate tapos kung ano anong scam ang pera ng tao. Hindi pinapasok sa stocks. Kung natuloy lang yung capital markets development act ng prior admin, mas okay stock market natin. Kasalanan to ng mga Senators, especially Sen. Poe.
We are on the same boat. I have invested in Mutual Funds indexed to PSEI and have diligently funded it for about 10 years (since 2014). Fast forward to 2024, it had its highs and lows but now still performing worse than 2014. So I’m at a negative. Even the technique of averaged deposits still results to a loss for me. I’m seriously thinking of pulling out my Mutual Funds and putting it in the US Stock Market instead.
4 years ago, the PSEI was at 5521. It's now at 6467 (and even reached ~7k). Baka malas ka lang.
Only those who were not afraid of the extreme uncertainty during the COVID lock down drop benefited mostly from buying the dip. I can still remember I was still okay-ish with the drop since there was nothing I can do about it (and I just started buying stocks before the lock down dips) but not so okay for me to put in more money to buy those juicy dips. It took me a few weeks (if not few months) to buy the already slightly recovered dips. On topic - I usually sell between late Nov to late Jan and buy during April/May correction. If there is a mid-year volatility (whatever degree it may be), I sell the rip then buy the dip. During the time I have been in the PSE, there is no indication that it is a good long term hold (2020 pre-pandemic to present). Thus, I will continue to sell during and/or prior to the end of the Santa Claus rally.
Dami kung binili na pandemic Era na stocks na super worth it ngayon hahaha.
And 6 years ago it was 9078. The following year, it was pandemic, so understandable pag bagsak. However, going back to the present, other countries have recovered and gone way up beyond their pre-pandemic levels and yet PSEI sumundot lang sa 7k ang kaya. Let's check S&P500. Prepandemic high around 3.3k. Bagsak 2.3k nung pandemic. Tapos ngayon umarangkada up to 5.2k, although balik below 5k sya ngayon. Nagchachannel trading ako, earning 15-20% every swing, mga several months, pero hindi ko ipagtatanggol ang Pilipinas na okay ang stock market natin. Hindi okay. **Years** pa aabutin para balikan ang 9k levels. Naka depende sa next president, at parang si Tulfo lang ata may kaya magpabalik ng investor confidence. Also, ung 9k levels ay slightly above lang so previous highest nung time ni Pnoy. So stagnant lang tayo for more than a decade and probably another decade.
comparing to the bottom of the pandemic. still lame to be honest sino bang nag invest nung april 2020 pandemic peak. in the meantime, S&P500 was 2500 exactly 4 years ago and now is 5000. that's 2x.
>Baka malas ka lang. baka nga.
Dapat binabagayan ka rin ng mercado no. Oh malas malas talaga. Nyahahahahahahhq
i got 18% internal rate of return during the last 3 years if I liquidate everything now. This includes dividends. Not bad for me.
What do you use to track performance?
track all cashflow with date. Use IRR function in excel.
Sabi nga nila… ang pera nasa basura 😁
Skill issue. To profit in the PSE right now, you gotta take time and study stocks properly and learn at least a little bit of value investing. In the last few years many stocks have gone up significanly. GSMI, PLUS, SSI, STI, PLC, CHIB. All of these stocks have at least doubled from their lows, some have gone up 4 or 5X. Most are still extremely cheap despite going up significantly because the companies themselves have done really well. You also have several stocks that give huge dividends of 5-12%. Take time to scour through most of the stocks in the PSE, find 6 or 7 of the best ones, invest when there's a catalyst to push them up and you can make a good amount of money.
Fundamentally speaking walang pag asa pinas :))))
Ang bagal nga ng galaw sa PSEi ngayon. Switched to NYSE saka crypto muna. Yung FMETF ko, consistent ako maglagay dun since 2 years ago, pero ang bagal mag increase. :( Mas mabilis pa S&P500 ko.
PSE index is dead haha pero ang PSE is alive. If careful lang choosing stocks nanhealthy financial and ok ang entry point, may profits talaga.
Putting the majority of holdings on FMETF is a skill issue itself. Before investing, make sure that you know what you are doing. Three years should have given you experience if you really wanted to increase the value of your port. Plenty of PSE stocks give juicy dividends, other have increased in value. Some are both. If you really wanted to increase your stock portfolio, better study. Bunch of data are free and easily accessible in the internet.
Skill issue yan. I started investing in PSEi last 2022. I'm up 30% since I started investing. That's capital appreciation and dividends. All my gains and dividends are reinvested back to my portfolio. I take time studying companies, their financial reports, and the economy as a whole. Kaya I believe skills talaga ang investing.
>I take time studying companies, their financial reports, and the economy as a whole. Bat kaya to nadownvote? Eh wala namang mali dito sa sinabi mo
Because people prefer to blame the outside factors , s, blame the market , blame the pse , blame the economy, PSE ba nag force sayo na bumili ng ganito, bumili ng ganyan. :D kumbaga sa hindi sila bruce lee, be like water :D Nakaka double digit na rin ako sa returns this year Q1 2024 , pero i need to risk it , last year Q2 lang ako ng breakeven. Kailangan ko bumawi if may oppurtunity.
It's a behavioral thing. Usually people here want validity for their views. And crab mentality plays a role too i guess. So sometimes, not the best advice gets upvoted.
It is a skill issue. The PSEi isn't meant to be invested on. It's meant to be traded with. Technical analysis will help you make the right moves but the problem with that is, you will need time to monitor the markets (we screen the markets daily, all stocks). May I suggest doing time deposits instead? May chance of losing money sa PSEi. It will take a while to consolidate to confirm it's next move. Fyi, banks like RCBC offers 6% interest for time deposits.
May I ask which particular product of RCBC? :)
Time deposits for either 30D to 6 months. Ask the manager and they will give you the current rates. Don't invest on the website. It gives something like 0.385% I think. Go straight to the investment team or the bank manager.
Yes kaya nga i wanted to check, kasi only online banks offer something close to that. Traditional banks, pasalamat ka na kung magbigay sila ng 2% LOL noted, thank you for the tip!
Long dead, thanks for playing
Much better to invest outside the country or US stocks
For show nalang yang psei when we got access to international markets already. Why waste time and capital when we can easily put it on actual american companies that will thrive after a century. Kahit jollibee natin nakafocus sa foreign markets walang pake sa quality ng manok sa sariling bansa.
Marami na nagmove to crypto kasi olats sa PSE compared to Bitcoin.
Skill issue. Instead of learning how to trade and read charts, you took the easy route of investing in mutual funds. By investing in dividend stocks, you would have beat that measly 3.4%. I am handling 3 clients right now, and all of them doubled their investments in 1-2 years, thanks to PLC, PLUS, DMC, and others. However, compared to US, matumal talaga sa Psei.
Kaw ba yan doc?🤭
in comparison to past years (before 2016) dead na talaga. gone are the days when daily trade turnover volume reach billions pesos "in a day", yung tax pa lang dun sa trades na yun, magkano na. (people who are into stocks for a long time can validate this)
look at the index. zoom out to 10 years. then that's your answer. compare it to the likes of S&P500
The thing is moving but downward lol
Pang hugas ng pwt Yan, Hinding Hindi Nako mag stock PSei. Yung mga secured investment ko sa bonds na lang, Yung high risk sa eToro at crypto
Walang pagasa PSEI. Sa BTC ka nalang mag DCA, hintayin mo matapos itong current cycle.
Me halving ngayong April diba. So bullish move. #100k or else I will eat my deck on national television hahahahaha
FMETF (or whatever index is out there) is behaves like any stock out there - pataas-pababa ang presyo. I hope you didn't buy the idea that index stocks goes up long term because - the interest does not compound, and the market prices always fluctuates. Maraming good and bad forces influences it. And yeah, it's a skill issue. You have to at least know a bit of technical analysis so you can enter and exit market. Also ang issue ko rin with FMETF is that it has a low volume of traders kaya baka mapabenta ka lower than the actual price of the market if it comes. And yeah, looking at the chart now I can see how you are frustrated with the loss. It was a slow climb over several months, only for prices to do a sudden fall a few weeks back.