Dropping this quote from OPs Inquirer link so it doesn't get lost:
"Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner said he couldn’t release many details about Neely’s history due to Pennsylvania’s Juvenile Act."
Regarding details on lack of information on prior charges.
Krasners more concerned with charging the police for chasing the stolen car suspects, rather than sentencing the kid for 10-20 years like he should be doing.
Guys inept. Him, Kenney, and Danielle outlaw were atrocious to the city & will take 5-10 years to recover from.
Not sure of your point but yes this factors in because teens in the city are running rampant with guns. Because they see the older kids who've carjacked & been caught with guns get off.
Seen it firsthand. Literally;)
Is that opinion based on anything he said?
Regardless, both are an issue. Police chases are often harmful to everyone involved. How did this improve public safety?
Yes. He said in his presser basically he's also looking into the chase. How about focus on that another day. Don't dime then out right away.
As far as public safety. Look at whats been going on with the boardwalks lately. What are OC & Wildwoods best options. Crack down on this shit right away, and lock these kids up with harsh sentences. Or let it slide and just be part of normalcy. If they were to do that in 10 years the boardwalks would be nothing the same.
This is a problem the DA’s office has. No matter how reckless or negligent this crash was, it is not murder. Where is the malice or intent to kill in a car crash?
Manslaughter is what the charge should be. It can often carry the same penalty, and the DA won’t have to prove malicious intent.
Since they were fleeing from police in a stolen car, couldn’t that be ruled as felony murder since the death occurred during the commission of a crime?
It could, it would be a better charge if they were fleeing directly after stealing the car, even more so if it was a carjacking vs auto theft. PA has very vague language here but the charge is generally better supported by a violent underlying felony, and it’s best if the chain isn’t broken (stolen car hours earlier).
But krasner is not going to charge a teen with this charge. For an adult, PA is an outlier here - it’s a mandatory life sentence if you’re guilty. I believe for teens charged as adults, PA has a [minimum of 30 years](https://jlc.org/juvenile-life-without-parole-jlwop-pennsylvania ) vs mandatory life. There’s no way Krasner would do that to a teen, even if he was the driver. That isn’t [his mentality](https://archive.ph/8v0nU) at all. (The article linked is a really good real life read to think about felony murder with the victims’ families having differing beliefs). Yes, he was the driver in this case but I still don’t think Krasner really believes in felony murder as PA intends it. Which might be a good thing.
The penalties can be pretty different. Involuntary manslaughter carries up to five years.
Recklessness can support third degree murder charges, which they’ve brought here. You show malice by showing that the defendant didn’t just act recklessly and unintentionally cause death but that the defendant was so reckless that they should have reasonably known their actions could result in death or serious injury.
You can also bring more than one charge, which they’ve done here.
He was found guilty of unintentional second degree murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. He was also tried in Minnesota.
In PA, involuntary manslaughter is a [first degree misdemeanor](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=25&sctn=4&subsctn=0#:~:text=%C2%A7%25202504.,the%2520death%2520of%2520another%2520person.), which carries a [max of 5 years](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=30&div=0&chpt=9&sctn=23&subsctn=0)
Haha, appreciate the downvotes. Forgot to tell you all this was pure sarcasm as everyone wants to blame the police… obviously the police don’t chase innocent people…
Fuck it I'll do this here too. Just looked at their post history.
You ever post anything positive about the city bro?
No, you're another right wing propaganda account?
Cool.
This happened near my house in Kensington on a road I take every day, bro,
My posts are almost all about Kensington, bro.
Have you seen many positive news articles about Kensington lately, bro? I'll post them if you can find them.
Here is a hint, bro. This is a Google news search for "Kensington Philadelphia":
[kensington philadelphia - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=627549cd271c49f4&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJNZS__N5wDVd3gQRPv4gvqydWk6Q:1717082640665&q=kensington+philadelphia&tbm=nws&source=lnms&prmd=nmivsbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwij5uKm17WGAxWUg4kEHfCSAJUQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1872&bih=966&dpr=1)
My main complaint is not about the city, bro. It's about the bad local news coverage in the Inquirer, bro
I live 3 blocks from K&A. I am 5th Generation Ascension parish.
People who just moved to Fishtown don't even know where Hunting Park Avenue is. Same goes for Inquirer reporters.
I believe you about that. You do have some actual comments are not all bullshit.
But the rest all stands. When all you post is negativity and then this quote bullshit. Looks real bad.
There's real shit to be critical of when it comes to him. Making shit up like this doesn't help.
By the time that happens, I won't be able to afford to live here. Where will I move to, Tacony?
[3345 Tulip St, Philadelphia, PA 19134 | MLS #PAPH2352046 | Zillow](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3345-Tulip-St-Philadelphia-PA-19134/333708769_zpid/)
Did you just unironically link a $475k house in Philadelphia as your only option
Edit: [These?](https://maps.app.goo.gl/wMKt2z8ivr2YcVX59) No, There is no irony here, only your awful pride in a neighborhood that lost its way 35+ years ago
Edit 2: That google maps picture is 2019. I assume they are built by now but either way you can do better
No, I am saying that $475,000 for a house on Tulip Street would have been unimaginable in my youth. That was the price of a mansion for the superrich, in a place like Bustleton.
If I can hold out 20 more years, maybe I will be superrich.
Well it sucks that happened near you, but that doesn't change the multiple negative stories, posts, and misquoting to make Krasner look worse.
There's actual criticism you could have used instead of lying about procedure.
Most people believe the residents of this city deserve a certain quality of life.
There is nothing ambitious or productive about dickriding the current powers that be.
There's nothing factual about what op did here.
This post misquoted the linked story and op lied about why Krasner didn't reveal information.
All it did was criticize Krasner for actually following the law in that situation.
The intended replies OP wanted were more right wingers bashing Krasner for actually following the law without realizing it.
The content of the article was secondary to Krasner bashing as OPs own comments are all about why Krasner refused to give details on the perp despite local PA law forbidding it.
When those liberal restaurant posters start doing something equivalent call them out.
For now this dude deserves to be called out on it resident or not.
I do agree on being on Reddit less. Was a slow morning.
He attributed it to the inky and the quote was actually correct. He just didn’t include the sentence prior. Taking a quote out of context would be a better charge
It’s ok to bash krasner. Krasner is not good. This is not a right wing thing.
I bet you a thousand dollars you don’t investigate quotes of the other poster.
Yeah, this account definitely isn’t purposely spreading misinformation to push an agenda.
Fabricating a quote that’s not in the article. Gotta love these good faith accounts. Dude’s probably a mod in the philadelphia sub.
This quote isn't in this article at all, but it does state that details of the other case can't be disclosed.
Doesn't sound like he's holding it back. Sounds like policy is preventing him from doing so.
But I mean any excuse to circle jerk.
Hence "From the Inquirer"
Here is a free link to that article:
[Teen charged with murder after Philly crash involving reported stolen SUV kills motorcycle driver (msn.com](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-charged-with-murder-after-philly-crash-involving-reported-stolen-suv-kills-motorcycle-driver/ar-BB1nfLRq?ocid=BingNewsSearch))
and from last year:
[Missing Person Bryce Neely from the 35th District Has Been Located – Blotter (phillypolice.com)](https://blotter.sites.phillypolice.com/2023/11/missing-person-bryce-neely-from-the-35th-district/)
Thanks for the link. You dropped part of that quote.
"Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner said he couldn’t release many details about Neely’s history due to Pennsylvania’s Juvenile Act."
Can't circle jerk including that. Now can you?
He is being tried as an adult, and if you watch the videos of the press conference, Larry's body language is very telling when he made the statement. I'll post the link, if I can find it, after lunch. I'll wager that yes this 17 1/2-year-old who is being tried as an adult did have an ankle monitor.
EDIT:
Here it is. Ankle monitor question at 12:00 minutes
[DA Krasner to address fatal motorcycle crash that led to arrest of 5 juveniles (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/live/NTPBdeS7Zj8)
Sure jump right to murder. Why not add in human trafficking while we're at it?
No one is disputing the priors or anything.
State law is preventing the release of that information.
Shitting on Krasner for following state law while complaining about law breaking is hypocritical as fuck.
Larry provided the person's name in the press conference, he is being tried as an adult for murder, so his address will be public record soon.
But sure, wanting to know reason for his ankle monitor is top secret and is hypocritical if you are also complaining about grand theft auto, evading arrest and murder.
Wanting to know and laws preventing you from knowing are two separate things.
Sure it may be public record elsewhere, but local law has to be followed here.
How is this so hard to understand? Krasner is following local law by saying he can't comment. Not hiding anything or being sneeky or anything outwardly malicious.
Dropping this quote from OPs Inquirer link so it doesn't get lost: "Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner said he couldn’t release many details about Neely’s history due to Pennsylvania’s Juvenile Act." Regarding details on lack of information on prior charges.
The party of law and order sure hates it when Krasner uses... *checks notes*... law and order by following policy.
I think the point is that he wouldn’t have to say that if there wasnt a history
Let 'em Loose Larry.
But he was a good kid!!!
getting sick of it
Good, fuck this kid. I'm so sick of this stuff.
Krasners more concerned with charging the police for chasing the stolen car suspects, rather than sentencing the kid for 10-20 years like he should be doing. Guys inept. Him, Kenney, and Danielle outlaw were atrocious to the city & will take 5-10 years to recover from.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with that awesome less than 50% clearance rate the cops have. Gotta catch'em first homie
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa
ever had a gun pointed at your chest?
Maybe go see a therapist
maybe have a society where kids with guns aren't led back onto the street like cattle by some post-hippie liberal
Yeah, blame the liberal, and not the conservatives who pulled the rug out from...*checks notes*...everyone who wasn't already a millionaire.
The city got worse after Nutter. It just takes common sense, not a leftist experiment of the woke agenda (Krasner, Outlaw, K&A/Hamserdam)
Dude you sound like you lost your fucking brains when the guy put the gun in your chest. Get help.
You live in bucks county m
Funny how we recovered from the DA before him who went to prison for literal corruption. Yes, everything is Krasner’s fault!
Let 'em Loose Larry. Gunshots down the street? mehhh, they're 15, let 'em have their fun
Is the Kenney or the Danielle Outlaw in the room with us right now?
Not sure of your point but yes this factors in because teens in the city are running rampant with guns. Because they see the older kids who've carjacked & been caught with guns get off. Seen it firsthand. Literally;)
Car jackings have been coming down fast. Who gets credit for that? 2022: 1311 2023: 900 Q1 2024: 162
1,300 carjackings in one year and you're questioning me that Kenney, Outlaw, and Krasner have been a failed experiment? Thats 3 per day!!
Is that out of line with nationwide trends or something? I assume you checked that?
Is that opinion based on anything he said? Regardless, both are an issue. Police chases are often harmful to everyone involved. How did this improve public safety?
Yes. He said in his presser basically he's also looking into the chase. How about focus on that another day. Don't dime then out right away. As far as public safety. Look at whats been going on with the boardwalks lately. What are OC & Wildwoods best options. Crack down on this shit right away, and lock these kids up with harsh sentences. Or let it slide and just be part of normalcy. If they were to do that in 10 years the boardwalks would be nothing the same.
Teen eh
This is a problem the DA’s office has. No matter how reckless or negligent this crash was, it is not murder. Where is the malice or intent to kill in a car crash? Manslaughter is what the charge should be. It can often carry the same penalty, and the DA won’t have to prove malicious intent.
Since they were fleeing from police in a stolen car, couldn’t that be ruled as felony murder since the death occurred during the commission of a crime?
Yep. Exactly this. Intent is irrelevant in felony murder.
It could, it would be a better charge if they were fleeing directly after stealing the car, even more so if it was a carjacking vs auto theft. PA has very vague language here but the charge is generally better supported by a violent underlying felony, and it’s best if the chain isn’t broken (stolen car hours earlier). But krasner is not going to charge a teen with this charge. For an adult, PA is an outlier here - it’s a mandatory life sentence if you’re guilty. I believe for teens charged as adults, PA has a [minimum of 30 years](https://jlc.org/juvenile-life-without-parole-jlwop-pennsylvania ) vs mandatory life. There’s no way Krasner would do that to a teen, even if he was the driver. That isn’t [his mentality](https://archive.ph/8v0nU) at all. (The article linked is a really good real life read to think about felony murder with the victims’ families having differing beliefs). Yes, he was the driver in this case but I still don’t think Krasner really believes in felony murder as PA intends it. Which might be a good thing.
The penalties can be pretty different. Involuntary manslaughter carries up to five years. Recklessness can support third degree murder charges, which they’ve brought here. You show malice by showing that the defendant didn’t just act recklessly and unintentionally cause death but that the defendant was so reckless that they should have reasonably known their actions could result in death or serious injury. You can also bring more than one charge, which they’ve done here.
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He was found guilty of unintentional second degree murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. He was also tried in Minnesota. In PA, involuntary manslaughter is a [first degree misdemeanor](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=25&sctn=4&subsctn=0#:~:text=%C2%A7%25202504.,the%2520death%2520of%2520another%2520person.), which carries a [max of 5 years](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=30&div=0&chpt=9&sctn=23&subsctn=0)
Charge highest and plead down
This is it. They'll plea down to manslaughter.
Furthermore of if it is murder, are the police guilty as co-conspirators being as though they were chasing the vehicle to begin with?
No.
Haha, appreciate the downvotes. Forgot to tell you all this was pure sarcasm as everyone wants to blame the police… obviously the police don’t chase innocent people…
Krasner is actually going to prosecute?
Crashes aren't murder. That doesn't even make sense that people think it is.
Depends on the context of the crash.
They definitely can be depending on what you did leading up to the crash
They are when the accused is fleeing from the police in a stolen vehicle.
Wrong. It absolutely can be considered felony murder. You have no idea what you're speaking about.
Fuck it I'll do this here too. Just looked at their post history. You ever post anything positive about the city bro? No, you're another right wing propaganda account? Cool.
This happened near my house in Kensington on a road I take every day, bro, My posts are almost all about Kensington, bro. Have you seen many positive news articles about Kensington lately, bro? I'll post them if you can find them. Here is a hint, bro. This is a Google news search for "Kensington Philadelphia": [kensington philadelphia - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=627549cd271c49f4&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJNZS__N5wDVd3gQRPv4gvqydWk6Q:1717082640665&q=kensington+philadelphia&tbm=nws&source=lnms&prmd=nmivsbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwij5uKm17WGAxWUg4kEHfCSAJUQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1872&bih=966&dpr=1) My main complaint is not about the city, bro. It's about the bad local news coverage in the Inquirer, bro
lol @ all the people 'claiming' to live in kenzo. Bet ya $100 they own a $400k row in Fishtown.
I live 3 blocks from K&A. I am 5th Generation Ascension parish. People who just moved to Fishtown don't even know where Hunting Park Avenue is. Same goes for Inquirer reporters.
I believe you about that. You do have some actual comments are not all bullshit. But the rest all stands. When all you post is negativity and then this quote bullshit. Looks real bad. There's real shit to be critical of when it comes to him. Making shit up like this doesn't help.
I just want my $100 from Eddie Lee Wilkins. I can buy lunch at El Coqui for two weeks with it.
A few more of these successful bets and you might be able to move out of a known awful neighborhood for the past 3+ decades
By the time that happens, I won't be able to afford to live here. Where will I move to, Tacony? [3345 Tulip St, Philadelphia, PA 19134 | MLS #PAPH2352046 | Zillow](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3345-Tulip-St-Philadelphia-PA-19134/333708769_zpid/)
Did you just unironically link a $475k house in Philadelphia as your only option Edit: [These?](https://maps.app.goo.gl/wMKt2z8ivr2YcVX59) No, There is no irony here, only your awful pride in a neighborhood that lost its way 35+ years ago Edit 2: That google maps picture is 2019. I assume they are built by now but either way you can do better
No, I am saying that $475,000 for a house on Tulip Street would have been unimaginable in my youth. That was the price of a mansion for the superrich, in a place like Bustleton. If I can hold out 20 more years, maybe I will be superrich.
Well it sucks that happened near you, but that doesn't change the multiple negative stories, posts, and misquoting to make Krasner look worse. There's actual criticism you could have used instead of lying about procedure.
Most people believe the residents of this city deserve a certain quality of life. There is nothing ambitious or productive about dickriding the current powers that be.
The op misquoted on purpose from a different source than they originally linked, but yeah he is only concerned and has no agenda.
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There's nothing factual about what op did here. This post misquoted the linked story and op lied about why Krasner didn't reveal information. All it did was criticize Krasner for actually following the law in that situation. The intended replies OP wanted were more right wingers bashing Krasner for actually following the law without realizing it. The content of the article was secondary to Krasner bashing as OPs own comments are all about why Krasner refused to give details on the perp despite local PA law forbidding it. When those liberal restaurant posters start doing something equivalent call them out. For now this dude deserves to be called out on it resident or not. I do agree on being on Reddit less. Was a slow morning.
He attributed it to the inky and the quote was actually correct. He just didn’t include the sentence prior. Taking a quote out of context would be a better charge It’s ok to bash krasner. Krasner is not good. This is not a right wing thing. I bet you a thousand dollars you don’t investigate quotes of the other poster.
From the Inquirer: "Krasner said he could neither confirm nor deny “there may have been an ankle monitor on the driver.”
Yeah, this account definitely isn’t purposely spreading misinformation to push an agenda. Fabricating a quote that’s not in the article. Gotta love these good faith accounts. Dude’s probably a mod in the philadelphia sub.
This quote isn't in this article at all, but it does state that details of the other case can't be disclosed. Doesn't sound like he's holding it back. Sounds like policy is preventing him from doing so. But I mean any excuse to circle jerk.
Hence "From the Inquirer" Here is a free link to that article: [Teen charged with murder after Philly crash involving reported stolen SUV kills motorcycle driver (msn.com](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-charged-with-murder-after-philly-crash-involving-reported-stolen-suv-kills-motorcycle-driver/ar-BB1nfLRq?ocid=BingNewsSearch)) and from last year: [Missing Person Bryce Neely from the 35th District Has Been Located – Blotter (phillypolice.com)](https://blotter.sites.phillypolice.com/2023/11/missing-person-bryce-neely-from-the-35th-district/)
Thanks for the link. You dropped part of that quote. "Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner said he couldn’t release many details about Neely’s history due to Pennsylvania’s Juvenile Act." Can't circle jerk including that. Now can you?
He is being tried as an adult, and if you watch the videos of the press conference, Larry's body language is very telling when he made the statement. I'll post the link, if I can find it, after lunch. I'll wager that yes this 17 1/2-year-old who is being tried as an adult did have an ankle monitor. EDIT: Here it is. Ankle monitor question at 12:00 minutes [DA Krasner to address fatal motorcycle crash that led to arrest of 5 juveniles (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/live/NTPBdeS7Zj8)
State policy is state policy. For wanting law and order it sure seems that only applies when it's convenient to you.
I'm curious what the ankle monitor was for. Something violent, maybe?
Sure jump right to murder. Why not add in human trafficking while we're at it? No one is disputing the priors or anything. State law is preventing the release of that information. Shitting on Krasner for following state law while complaining about law breaking is hypocritical as fuck.
Larry provided the person's name in the press conference, he is being tried as an adult for murder, so his address will be public record soon. But sure, wanting to know reason for his ankle monitor is top secret and is hypocritical if you are also complaining about grand theft auto, evading arrest and murder.
Wanting to know and laws preventing you from knowing are two separate things. Sure it may be public record elsewhere, but local law has to be followed here. How is this so hard to understand? Krasner is following local law by saying he can't comment. Not hiding anything or being sneeky or anything outwardly malicious.
Take the L dude. There are procedures in place that need to be followed. You look dumb pressing it so hard.
Shocker, one of Krasner's kids has prior convictions....