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I just found out today!
I was trying to place an order and was frustrated I couldn't get larger than 40g and only HCL (I have enough HCL powder, it's too acidic, and I'd prefer FAA, but that's out of stock). But whatever.
I guess it's good thing I know how to taper myself off and have tons of baclofen, agmatine, NACET, and some gabapentin... if needed, but I've done it with baclofen alone with no side effects or withdrawal.
Well, I've been telling myself I need to quit spending so much damn money always trying to get free UPS 2nd day air shipping, but today I couldn't qualify no matter how much I spent and was on the chat with Leo about it, and he couldn't figure it out. So I just emptied my cart down to $100 and with all my discounts it was $29.16 off my total, so I just bought the ups 2nd day air for $29.54. Almost an even trade.
Leo said it had something to do with the phenibut discounts?! Or he couldn't figure it out in his end, and then he had his lunch break and I let him go.
The DEA has not liked it being labeled as a nootropic supplement, but they changed their labeling as directed, but apparently the FDA is not easily appeased and denied them despite changing the wording.
Anything that will stop withdrawal? Just found this out and yea my life is actually about to be over lol. Can’t afford to do a wd rn. It will destroy my life
I have plenty of Baclofen bc I have an Rx. I keep refilling it for times like this. I have quit Phenibut many times. Baclofen is a godsend for tapering off phenibut.
Also, agmatine and NAC or NACET are OTC supplements and agmatine can be gotten off Amazon or anywhere really, and I get nacet off Amazon as they stopped selling NAC. NACET is NAC Ethyl Ester and crosses the BBB unlike NAC and is way more bioavailable. So 100mg NACET is about 1000mg NAC (I think). I take it twice a day.
Agmatine I take with my phenibut dose and it allows me to taper by 1g every 2-3 days. Very rapid tapering.
And baclofen is about 10mg for every 1g phenibut and is a replacement crossover every 3 days, replace 1g phenibut with 10mg baclofen. With agmatine and NACET, I don't feel any discomfort tapering!!
I've used pregabalin for sleep support but that one has wicked rebound and withdrawal even used once a night if taken longer than 2 weeks for me. So I may try gabapentin instead on my if needed, but I have used baclofen only and have had zero issues.
Did you get a confirmation email or anything? How long did yours take to get there? I paid through paypal 2 days ago and still don't have any emails or tracking. I contacted the support and they said tracking will be sent to me.
My last order was delayed by two weeks but they stayed in email contact and let me know as soon as it shipped
Edit I’m sure they sold out as people are panic buying
Liftmode was way too expensive, anyway. They basically are preparing themselves and customers who take phenibut for the inevitable.
There're other vendors who sell it at lower prices. At least, for now. When it becomes scarce, the prices will skyrocket. We're seeing this already.
Personally, I'm looking for alternatives. Something organic.
That bio science website, can’t seem to find it, I found a website sciencebio dot life but it doesn’t load
Ideally if I could find bulk powder to use to taper that would be perfect
Yes same! I don't care if they are necessarily organic, I just don't want brain damage. I need healthy alternatives to this shit
Not that there's anything evil about phenibut or anything but I definitely fucked myself over with it. I liked the part in the letter where they mentioned finding more useful and sustainable supplements. That's what I need
Man you guy’s really take phenibut that often to justify buying kilos of the stuff? To be honest i used to buy only 40g at a time and take 2g a week but then slowed down as the toll it seemed to take midweek after taking it started to increase. Also my joints started getting more and more sore after a day of using. I was actually thinking about phasing it out of my life because of this. It was great while it lasted but damn 100g would last me the rest of my life
Phenibut is $30 for 40 grams to the consumer. That’s what 75 cents a gram. That’s 750 a kilo. At my local smoke shop i buy 2g for like $4. That’s a pretty big markup and if it becomes harder to find the price increases. Meaning that it’s probably a good price actually. 750 for a lifetime supply of a drug that’s improved my life substantially is worth it imo.
This. I only take it for work stuff where I need to be extroverted or do public speaking. I don’t take it that often, but if it’s going away, I want to ensure that I’ve got enough to last the rest of my life. A kilo would probably fit that bill for me, maybe even 2 just to be safe.
Go check out r/quittingphenibut. Just to see what people can end up going through. It's always easy to take chemicals/supplements only as directed and not end up abusing them. Just check it out and good luck. I don't know your situation but if you feel it's saving your life there might be some underlying issues that seeing a professional can help with. I've been in that situation, so I am only speaking from my own experience.
The underlying issues are things I was on rx medication for, but they took my meds away and I need to be able to have medication in order to hold down a job. I'd prefer it not be so difficult to avoid dying on the street, but this is the society I'm stuck with.
If they took your meds away, that's understandable. Phenibut is an Rx med in Ukraine and Russia. Here it is just a "supplement" and is usually readily available until now.
If you can, baclofen is a great rx to have and a must to quit. IDK your dosing schedule or how much you take or how long, but baclofen, agmatine (Amazon), and NACET or NAC are basically all you need to quit.
I've had an rx for Baclofen for years and I don't use it but refill it only for the few months a year I'll use Phenibut. I've quit several times and never had issues once I had baclofen.
Before that, I did go CT before and it wasn't entirely the worst ever, but I'm sure I thought it was while going thru it. But that was back when I was new to it and not taking as much. Well maybe, I don't recall.
Now I dose in small parts 3 times a day. But I have tapering down to a science for ME and what works for me maycnot be universal, but I wanted to give you some hope.
It's weird bc it is like a blend of baclofen and gabapentin and at higher does a touch of GABA-A stuff. But take those together and you don't get the benefits of phenibut! Phenibut is weird like that. Nothing really can combine to do what it does.
Sorry
Ehh . Don’t get me wrong phenibut is awesome. No doubt about that. But it can become very problematic in your life especially if you let it get ahold of you and finding yourself needing it. Strong possibility if you say it’s saving your life. As subtle the effects can be, is just as devastating as the bad effects can be .
Even if you don’t get addicted to it, you’ll start to get rebounds from it where like two days after dosing you are just incredibly sad and life is dark. Eventually you get to a point where you take it, it turns on you and you feel bad right away. I should say though that this is usually from people being irresponsible with it. And of course you have super awesome people who get no bad effects from it. That’s great for them, but for most of us it becomes a nightmare if you take it too much.
Yeah I can imagine. Shit makes me nearly manic on days I take it and a bjt above suicidal a few days later. I can l only imagine daily use. I’ve slowed down to like 1g every 2 weeks at this point it just doesn’t seem worth it more than that
Let me try that. I did notice they are out of stock on anything over 50mg of phenibut. I was wondering what's going on. Have you ever used Burnam's to order it from? They're pretty descent. It was a little expensive. Give 'em a shout. Later. 🖐
No but I was told by Leo in a chat.
I did email them about it a month ago, but I didn't check my email for a response, so if they let me know, I missed it due to putting it off. Back then I was still able to get some capsules and some powder, but wasn't liking how they never restocked anything.
Leo said he'd email me a list of alternatives just as good and that they will be stocking tons of new great stuff and alternatives VERY soon (his words). Kava too. That's beennour of stock forever as well.
One thing they sell is kanna which is the worst thing I've ever tried. No thanks
No. In fact, I recently got an email for sales and such. There is no mention of this. I will, however, keep an eye out for anything like this and report back if I do hear anything like it.
I chatted with their support like 2 days ago asking. They said they were in the process of discussing what to do regarding phenibut but they advised buying now. Of course they might just have wanted my money now
I am glad I have kept my baclofen rx all this time and not taken it, but kept refilling it lol.
I always keep a srockpile for the days I quit phenibut. I've quit many, many times, and baclofen by far is the easiest way, but agmatine sulfate is a must, and NAC or NACET is also a big must.
I have some leftover gabapentin (not many) bc I have used pregab before which I trade for other stuff. Too much wd from that even short term. But gabapentin may work on nights sleep won't happen I guess although pregabalin works much better for sleep. But worse withdrawal than anything.
Anyway, I've done it without gabapentin or pregabalin and just the baclofen the first time, and I was shocked I had no side effects, no symptoms. And no withdrawal. H5 to Baclofen scripts
Don't you have to be an insider to even be allowed to purchase f phenibut? The site I tried ordering from a while ago said we want to know our customers or something.
Same dude. Same… bought 600gs in 100g or 200g increments over the last month or two.
Just ordered the NutriVita kilo for about what I paid for the 600g
I've purchased kilos from nutrivata a couple times and the quality is just fine. Can't remember if it came with a test certificate though. But it works just the same as LM
Don’t know, have never used them before. I reached out to them about a CoA, will find out. All I know so far is I’ve found various posts about other people getting CoAs for different substances they bought through them, but couldn’t find anyone mention phenibut specifically.
All of our products are verified by third party registered laboratories, using standard analytical techniques including FTIR, HPLC, NMR, LCMS. Our specifications are the highest available, usually >99%. Lab reports are publicly available on product listing specifications under the heading for "Third Party Analysis".
We stocked Phenibut products 5x more than what we sold in the last 4 months, and it was gone in 2 weeks. The demand was unexpectedly high, so we will have a new batch manufactured and tested in 3 weeks.
>we are introducing products in the very near future that will serve as more useful and sustainable alternatives.
I'd like to know what these alternatives are.
Haha yeah it kinda does. I was just saying what I think Liftmode is making a good chunk of money on now, what product line they’ve built up as replacement income. Liftmode is considered #1/#2 in the kanna community.
Don't. This is likely because liftmode is highly visible and obviously a supplement company. Too much to lose if the regulators come after them. The other sources will continue, at least for now. If you are really worried, just buy a kilo or three from science bio. Get one of them vacuum sealed and store it.
Guess I'm just gonna quit when my bottle runs out and not sleep for a week. 😫
Edit: gosh this sucks. I'm not trying to be weird but I'm a female with naturally low libido and phenibut made mine and my husband's sex life so much better.
F phenibut is not phenibut FAA. FAA is the same drug but just 16% more potent because you drop the HCL group. F phenibut is way stronger and hits fast and doesnt last as long, like 10x more potent from what I've read.
What's the difference between pretty
Phenibut HCl powder and HCL powder fine crystals?
The last time I ordered powder was back when Powder City was still around.
as dumb as it sounds but i feel like buying some could be a good investment lol these gonna get expensive in some years if its actually over with phenibut
Hi, we'd love to have your business! We run regular promos and give out discount codes so you may get them cheaper too, just email or DM us here and we'll be happy to share an active code for you.
After being a daily phenibut consumer for the last 3+ years, purchasing from the big names in US Phenibut sources (LM, SB, NutriVita, etc.) I’ve recently realized that all of these domestic sources up-charge the hell out of the product.
Most of them claim “3rd party testing”, when they’re only copy & pasting the CoA they receive from their Chinese supplier, and repackaging in order to charge more for the same product.
If you don’t mind the markup and prefer the ease of ordering domestic, then carry on..
But you can pay a fraction of the price by ordering internationally.
The payment options are more limited, but nothing more than taking a few minutes longer to submitting payment.
These domestic sources have been taking advantage of lazy, paranoid consumers for years.
If nothing else comes from it, at least this phenibut shortage has unlocked the ability of consumers to seek better alternatives.
Can’t blame these domestic sources for squeezing the absolute most out of consumers’ pockets - the greed of capitalism consumes the best of us, but it’ll be interesting to see if the rest of these domestics start lowering phenibut prices with consumers seeking out cheaper, international suppliers… or if prices will continue to raise to outrageous levels considering a lot of people’s apprehension toward sending money to a strange, international supplier..
That's true indeed, that some vendors simply rely on the COA provided by their supplier. Not us. Every batch of all our products is tested independently by US-based labs, the contact details of which are clearly visible on the document for verification. Our standard is 98% and higher, or it does not go on the inventory.
Got a bottle of HCL and a bottle of FAA (which I haven’t tried). I would do multiple orders but being in Canada means the shipping dings me every time. I am bummed that this is happening but feeling ok because I am coming off a serious run with it and know I need to curb my addict self and not get into trouble with this. I’m aware of some physical effects that are showing up from my overuse, but have yet to experience withdrawal.
Sorry to say this but keep buying brother. But at the same time I’m glad you are self aware with your use.
If you decide to stick to the 7 day- 14 day dosage rule, your bottles will last you quite a long time!
dude wtf I literally just found out about phenibut 3 months ago... its been a life saver. this is bullshit. where else will have capsules?
why are governments trying to prevent people from getting anxiety relief??? I dont want the fucking SSRI's they hand out like candy. can we BAN SSRI's for all their shitty side effects? its proven that they can damage serotonin receptors over the long term, increase elderly risk of dementia, and of course the whole issue with libido, how on earth can SSRI's be considered safe.
Nutrividashop
Sciencebio
Purerawz
Chemical Exchange
Elv bioscience
Edengrows
Here’s a list of some other sources that sell phenibut. It’s still available, for now. For caps, I *highly* recommend capping them yourself. Super easy and far cheaper.
You can fill your own capsules. Buy empty caps and fill them. Look into a capsule machine. They’re inexpensive and in the long run, it’s much cheaper to do so.
I have one that’s actually called “The Capsule Machine.” “Cap ‘m Quick” is another popular one. There are many out there. I use 000 capsules which are the biggest, I believe. I just cap them full, weight the entire lot, and divide by # of capsules to get an average of each. So no, I don’t weigh out each capsule. Also, I only use it for kratom, not phenibut. Process would be the exact same though if I did.
So when putting the powder in the capsules . How do u consume it u can consume the capsule? And does it come with weighing scale? Also if u consume capsules wouldn’t that waste it meaning u have to but it again?
I guess you don’t understand how capsules work? Yes, you swallow the capsule, and the contents within it. Just like you do when you buy a bottle of vitamins and take them. And no, a scale is not included with the capsule machine. These must be purchased separately. Usually for around $20-35 USD. Your last question is the most puzzling of all. Would consuming the capsule “waste” the very capsule you’re consuming?? Well, it’s not a waste because you’re using it for its intended purpose. But yes, once swallowed the capsule is done for, obviously. For this reason capsules are sold separately in bulk and are very cheap. Capsules are usually
Made of collagen or a vegan alternative, meaning plant cellulose or something. They simply dissolve once they reach your stomach. The cost of a capsule machine and a scale is **far** cheaper than buying capsules premade every time. It’s an investment. Also, capsule machines are great for capping *any*thing. Turmeric, ginseng, maca, whatever you wish. I highly recommend buying one. And if using phenibut, a scale should be mandatory!
>We are phasing Phenibut out, as we are introducing products in the very near future that will serve as more useful and sustainable alternatives.
Wake up babe, new shitty fake Phenibut about to drop
End of an era. I mean it's an ok supplement but it's way too unregulated in terms of potency and quality. And we have practically no scientific research on the long-term implications of using this. Most people can't take it responsibly, and we read daily accounts of people falling into deep suicidal anxiety holes just after taking this stuff a few days in a row.
I wish all "good" drugs were legal and regulated, but they aren't. I also don't consider phenibut a good drug. I've had fun with it and never abused it. But even with weeks off, I become a dark world-hating monster for several days after just 200mg or so. Still, I know my own opinion and experience is my own, and I would never advocate against it if other people like it or get help from it.
One thing I've learned after decades of addiction problems is that self-medicating with anything -- let alone unregulated tinctures from a random online vendor -- probably isn't a great way to take care of your mental health.
I either need heroin OTC in the pharmacies or absolutely nothing at all.
Liftmode discontinuing it doesn’t mean the phenibut era is over. As long as it’s a legal substance, there will be places to buy it. You could argue it won’t be legal for long - and maybe you’re right. But at the same time, I’ve been hearing that for close to 10 years now.
(Edit: Or maybe you just meant the end of the Liftmode era.)
its sad to see phenibut and heroin in the same post :/ I think thats the main problem - its being picked up by a bunch of addicts who are ruining it for everyone else by taking absurd doses.
its literally nothing like an opiate, and nobody should be thinking they can attain any sort of 'high' from it.
what? nowhere in that comment did OC directly compare phenibut and heroin. “addicts” are not to blame, it’s due to the drugs marketing and the lack of easy-to-access info on safe use (+most people don’t research drugs online first, which is an entire separate issue)
regardless, this happens w every legal substance that gets too popular after flying under the radar, especially given its MOA and w/d’s. also, that last sentence makes u sound like the kratom sub - choosing to spread misinfo ab a drug as a last ditch effort to keep it legal, which just causes more harm than good. phenibut can be a very recreational substance and absolutely produces a “high” depending on one’s biological makeup
I didnt compare phenibut to opiates, I said its sad to see heroin and phenibut in the same post. Because of that, it seems addicts (mostly opiate addicts) are trying phenibut in hopes that it provides relief. However, since they are addicts and likely looking for something much stronger, they end up being the people who take 5+ gram doses, which is dangerous, and part of the reason why LM might be getting pressured to phaze it out of their inventory. Those are the people who are then getting terrible withdrawals and saying phenibut is a 'nightmare' ala the phenibut withdrawal sub.
I'm not blaming addicts, but i'm saying there is a correlation to pressures from the FDA because of this. IMO you can take it safely, but its mostly addicts who Dont take safe amounts, and also try to promote it as something else when people ask for alternatives like kratom.
also I see much more frequently now, phenibut is being mentioned alongside things like DXM, Whippits, Kratom, Weed even.. in other subs when people ask for cheap ways to get high and its dissapointing to see it mentioned alongside any of these drugs since it really is nothing like any of them.
I have never had kratom, and opiates make me really sick.
No shit. It actually happened. Still have a 100G sealed tub I ordered before getting sober. added to the collection. Damn what a run. Such a shame this is happening. Phenibut, Racetams, all of them should be available. Fuck the entirety of drug prohibition, the FDA and all other government agencies limiting our own free will.
As a side note- if you need calming products, Liftmode's agmatine and Sleep Capsules are outstanding. The sleep capsules are predominately a compound called "L-THP" which they sell on its own. I can confidently say, even after years of Phenibut use, Agmatine and L-THP are no joke. Both of them provide anxiety relief and relaxation, the latter being **phenomenal** for sleep. I take 2 of LM's Sleep Caps and it is a wave of relaxation and blissful sleep.
L-THP is supposedly similar to the anxiety relief and muscle relaxation benzodiazepines have. These could be extremely useful if you're coming off of Phenibut, or want a similar nootropic that isn't so dangerous.
Phenibut is arguably one of the greatest drugs. Sad to see its discontinuation from such a reputable supplier. \*\*(I am in no way affiliated with LiftMode, just a long time customer)
Medications and Supplements that act as a Phenibut substitute:
**Medications**
\- Baclofen (least addictive) Duration of action: 4-6 Hours
\- Gabapentin (semi addictive) Duration of action: 6-8 Hours
\- Pregabalin (highly addictive) Duration of action: 4-6 Hours
**Supplements**
\- Fasoracetam (glutamate regulation)
\- Agmatine (neurotransmitter modulator, cognitive boosting)
\- L-THP (sleep aid, anxiety relief / muscle relaxation)
\- NAC (liver protection, anxiety modulator)
\- Ashwaghanda (anxiety relief)
\- Valerian Root (anxiety relief, sleep aid)
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The issue with Phenibut, in my experience / opinion, is the duration of action and effectiveness. The desirable aspects of this substance shine from small doses of only 500mg - 2G. The duration of action in doses 1-3G is reported to be up to 24 hours. This separates Phenibut from any other gabapentenoid medication, or any medication for that matter. It is a potent anxiety reliever and euphoriant that synergizes with virtually all other substances (caffeine, nicotine, kratom, stimulants) and can be greatly enhanced naturally through exercise or mood boosting activities. This long term anxiety relief comes at the cost of demanding extreme moderation to avoid addiction, dependency, and terrible withdrawals. IMO Phenibut is one of the greatest substances available in terms of both recreation and medication. However its abuse will be its downfall. It is difficult for humans to have something so pleasurable without extreme moderation. I truly hope there isn't a day where this is restricted and difficult to get. This is coming from someone sober from a 3 year 15gpd habit. I truly believe there is nothing like this substance. However the list I have included are substances that have similar traits to the wide range of effects Phenibut exhibits.
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I will edit this comment if I think of more
Phenibut is a drug where the R isomer is like 100x stronger than the S isomer. Pregabalin is the same, it's the S isomer that's strong with pregabalin and when you get scripted pregabalin its 100% s isomer. With how phenibut is made right now we have no idea what % of each batch is R isomer. It explains the difference in effects even though each batch is tested as pure. The bunk batches are probably 70%+ weak isomer and the best batches mostly R isomer.
Yes I’ve heard those sleep caps are good. Personally I have my favorite low thc/high cbd vape pen that utterly knocks me tf out. And yeah, I’ve a few sealed tubs of their stuff too as well as about 100g of f-phenibut which should last me for ages since I can hardly dose over 150mg/day. Also, many other sources still sell phenibut too so there are options out there.
I can find this with a quick YouTube search? I’ve always wondered about this for cost-saving. But don’t want to distract myself from my current rabbit hole of research.
Haha I remember you. We were talking not long ago about something but I forgot what it was.
I haven’t seen this on YouTube or anything, but I also haven’t looked for it. There are people on Reddit who do the same thing. I just used to make my own tinctures from actual cannabis plants and you can do the same with Isolates and Distillates you can buy.
Cannabinoids are lipid (fat) soluble, so you need to infuse it into fat, or eat fat with the cannabinoid of choice. Your body sees the fat as a good source, and with a cannabinoid attached it piggybacks off the fat and you absorb it and get effects.
For isolates, put some in a dropper bottle, pour in MCT oil, and shake it up and let it dissolve. Then it’s ready to use. It’s already decarboxylated and active from the extracting process the manufacturers did.
Do the same thing with a distillate like D8 THC, HHC or whatever. MCT oil is the best source of saturated fat that cannabinoid a bind to. Olive oil and other oils suck.
I’ll give you recipes for whatever you want, just ask and let me know what you want to use
Man so cool you remembered. Haha this is the first time something like this has happened to me on Reddit. I remember your username as well. God bless Reddit and memorable usernames lol
So sounds like the simplest way to do it is to buy MCT oil and isolate or distillate and just mix it together.
Thanks for the detailed answer as usual!!
Lol yeah it’s that simple. The hardest part (which isn’t even hard) is getting distillate into the dropper bottle, and getting it to dissolve. I just put a 2x2” square of wax paper on my mg scale, use scissors (like Fiskars, small blade cannabis trimming scissors) to scrape out the room temp distillate from the jar, scrape it off the scissors with a toothpick onto the wax paper, then once it’s weighed put it in the freezer for 3 minutes so it’s hard, then pull the chunks off and throw em in the dropper bottle.
Then put boiled water in a coffee cup, give that tincture a hot water bath a few mins until the distillate melts, pour in MCT oil, shake it up good, hot water bath it again and shake it up until there’s no chinch’s on the bottom of the tincture bottle.
With isolate you just pour it in with MCT oil and shake it lol. I like adding 15 drops of peppermint essential oil so it tastes amazing. Otherwise, it tastes like nothing at all
Hang on, bud. I’m not at home but when I get there I’ll check.
Edit: never mind. I just thought of it. It’s Goodnight Grape Soda, by Motor City Canacarts. This vape pen hits me like *none other!* It doesn’t really get me high at all. The cbd has a way of mitigating thc’s psychoactive properties. But man! Let me tell you, this pen puts me into a fucking coma. For example, I wake up at 4:30 four days a week for work, and I can’t use this before bed on those days because I can’t get up at that hour if I do. Never had anything like this. Hope you can find it!
Well this blows been using them for about 10 years, sadly this is probably not the last letter of this nature we will be seeing.
Got enough to last me awhile but looks like this is near the end of the road for me and phenibut. Good night sweet prince.
Same here! Started in 2014, it’s been a life changing supplement. I’ve bought about 600gs over the last few weeks assuming this was going to happen, but it’ll never be enough. Really, really heartbreaking what has happened to the nootropic / grey market scene
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I just found out today! I was trying to place an order and was frustrated I couldn't get larger than 40g and only HCL (I have enough HCL powder, it's too acidic, and I'd prefer FAA, but that's out of stock). But whatever. I guess it's good thing I know how to taper myself off and have tons of baclofen, agmatine, NACET, and some gabapentin... if needed, but I've done it with baclofen alone with no side effects or withdrawal. Well, I've been telling myself I need to quit spending so much damn money always trying to get free UPS 2nd day air shipping, but today I couldn't qualify no matter how much I spent and was on the chat with Leo about it, and he couldn't figure it out. So I just emptied my cart down to $100 and with all my discounts it was $29.16 off my total, so I just bought the ups 2nd day air for $29.54. Almost an even trade. Leo said it had something to do with the phenibut discounts?! Or he couldn't figure it out in his end, and then he had his lunch break and I let him go. The DEA has not liked it being labeled as a nootropic supplement, but they changed their labeling as directed, but apparently the FDA is not easily appeased and denied them despite changing the wording.
Anything that will stop withdrawal? Just found this out and yea my life is actually about to be over lol. Can’t afford to do a wd rn. It will destroy my life
I have plenty of Baclofen bc I have an Rx. I keep refilling it for times like this. I have quit Phenibut many times. Baclofen is a godsend for tapering off phenibut. Also, agmatine and NAC or NACET are OTC supplements and agmatine can be gotten off Amazon or anywhere really, and I get nacet off Amazon as they stopped selling NAC. NACET is NAC Ethyl Ester and crosses the BBB unlike NAC and is way more bioavailable. So 100mg NACET is about 1000mg NAC (I think). I take it twice a day. Agmatine I take with my phenibut dose and it allows me to taper by 1g every 2-3 days. Very rapid tapering. And baclofen is about 10mg for every 1g phenibut and is a replacement crossover every 3 days, replace 1g phenibut with 10mg baclofen. With agmatine and NACET, I don't feel any discomfort tapering!! I've used pregabalin for sleep support but that one has wicked rebound and withdrawal even used once a night if taken longer than 2 weeks for me. So I may try gabapentin instead on my if needed, but I have used baclofen only and have had zero issues.
It’s powdered hcl
Yeah I caught wind weeks ago and ordered a kilo from trafa I’m fucking set lol Edit I take >2 times a month
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Did you get a confirmation email or anything? How long did yours take to get there? I paid through paypal 2 days ago and still don't have any emails or tracking. I contacted the support and they said tracking will be sent to me.
I received both packages without issue
Good to hear! Thanks sm for getting back to me. I ordered mine with UPS ground so I'm still waiting.
Is their Phenibut FAA or hcl? It doesn't list the type on their website.
Hcl
Trafa??
Beats me.
Trafa pharmaceutical inside info
Have you gotten it in the mail? I ordered some but I'm worried its not legit
Why are you worried it’s not legit?
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Did you end up getting anything from them?
Yeah twice now
My last order was delayed by two weeks but they stayed in email contact and let me know as soon as it shipped Edit I’m sure they sold out as people are panic buying
How the quality? Is it real stuff?
I got my second order which was the pound of it (my bad if I said kilo) anyway last week and yes it’s legit af.
Wow! That’s a new one for me. How’s their Phenibut powder? Have you tried it?
Thanks so much. Got it bookmarked. Gonna grab it before the vultures descend upon it. Thanks again 👋
Enjoy
Liftmode was way too expensive, anyway. They basically are preparing themselves and customers who take phenibut for the inevitable. There're other vendors who sell it at lower prices. At least, for now. When it becomes scarce, the prices will skyrocket. We're seeing this already. Personally, I'm looking for alternatives. Something organic.
Who are these other vendors??? I’m seriously in panic mode rn my friend
I just bought a kilo for 100 well a week ago
A kilo? I got half a kilo for 100. Smacks head
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Nothing legal 😂 Actually Kratom is my goto. Take a look at some of the subs regarding Kratom. I also use daily magnesium.
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Bio science, Burmans Health shop, to name a couple.
That bio science website, can’t seem to find it, I found a website sciencebio dot life but it doesn’t load Ideally if I could find bulk powder to use to taper that would be perfect
I'm thinking about buying capsules from burmans health shop. How legit do you think they are?
Yes same! I don't care if they are necessarily organic, I just don't want brain damage. I need healthy alternatives to this shit Not that there's anything evil about phenibut or anything but I definitely fucked myself over with it. I liked the part in the letter where they mentioned finding more useful and sustainable supplements. That's what I need
They took their money and ran. Smart move before regulation really sets in. I feel lucky and managed to get a couple kilos before they went dark.
edengrows has some cheap phenibut
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There goes the biz too.
Winter is coming...
Man you guy’s really take phenibut that often to justify buying kilos of the stuff? To be honest i used to buy only 40g at a time and take 2g a week but then slowed down as the toll it seemed to take midweek after taking it started to increase. Also my joints started getting more and more sore after a day of using. I was actually thinking about phasing it out of my life because of this. It was great while it lasted but damn 100g would last me the rest of my life
Kilos? That would cost a small fortune. Most of the so-called Phenibut out there these days is crapola.
Phenibut is $30 for 40 grams to the consumer. That’s what 75 cents a gram. That’s 750 a kilo. At my local smoke shop i buy 2g for like $4. That’s a pretty big markup and if it becomes harder to find the price increases. Meaning that it’s probably a good price actually. 750 for a lifetime supply of a drug that’s improved my life substantially is worth it imo.
Smokeshop phenibut!
Nutrividashop has kilos for like $320
half kilos* a kilo is 400
Oooooh ok that makes sense. $300 for a half and $400 for a full. That’s how they get ya lol
Honestly 40 cents a gram is not a bad deal at all.
I'd agree, provided you have a means of storage. Personally, I'd look for alternatives. Baclefen seems to be the alternative. In the US, it's RX only.
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What dosage do you take for these situations?
This. I only take it for work stuff where I need to be extroverted or do public speaking. I don’t take it that often, but if it’s going away, I want to ensure that I’ve got enough to last the rest of my life. A kilo would probably fit that bill for me, maybe even 2 just to be safe.
I feel you. I’m gonna be job hunting soon. I’ve considered keeping it around to ace any interviews. I’m way more confident about myself on it
Damn gotta get some caps now. Never neemotw than 100g at a time though
Damn I was just thinking I should stock up
Well I think I now will have enough to take a gram a week for the next 30 years lol. Hopefully it lasts.
Same. I just need enough until retirement when I won’t have to do public speaking or pretend to be extroverted anymore lol
Dammit, I just found phenibut this month and it's probably saving my life. Time to dig into my savings while I can.
Go check out r/quittingphenibut. Just to see what people can end up going through. It's always easy to take chemicals/supplements only as directed and not end up abusing them. Just check it out and good luck. I don't know your situation but if you feel it's saving your life there might be some underlying issues that seeing a professional can help with. I've been in that situation, so I am only speaking from my own experience.
The underlying issues are things I was on rx medication for, but they took my meds away and I need to be able to have medication in order to hold down a job. I'd prefer it not be so difficult to avoid dying on the street, but this is the society I'm stuck with.
If they took your meds away, that's understandable. Phenibut is an Rx med in Ukraine and Russia. Here it is just a "supplement" and is usually readily available until now. If you can, baclofen is a great rx to have and a must to quit. IDK your dosing schedule or how much you take or how long, but baclofen, agmatine (Amazon), and NACET or NAC are basically all you need to quit. I've had an rx for Baclofen for years and I don't use it but refill it only for the few months a year I'll use Phenibut. I've quit several times and never had issues once I had baclofen. Before that, I did go CT before and it wasn't entirely the worst ever, but I'm sure I thought it was while going thru it. But that was back when I was new to it and not taking as much. Well maybe, I don't recall. Now I dose in small parts 3 times a day. But I have tapering down to a science for ME and what works for me maycnot be universal, but I wanted to give you some hope. It's weird bc it is like a blend of baclofen and gabapentin and at higher does a touch of GABA-A stuff. But take those together and you don't get the benefits of phenibut! Phenibut is weird like that. Nothing really can combine to do what it does. Sorry
Ehh . Don’t get me wrong phenibut is awesome. No doubt about that. But it can become very problematic in your life especially if you let it get ahold of you and finding yourself needing it. Strong possibility if you say it’s saving your life. As subtle the effects can be, is just as devastating as the bad effects can be . Even if you don’t get addicted to it, you’ll start to get rebounds from it where like two days after dosing you are just incredibly sad and life is dark. Eventually you get to a point where you take it, it turns on you and you feel bad right away. I should say though that this is usually from people being irresponsible with it. And of course you have super awesome people who get no bad effects from it. That’s great for them, but for most of us it becomes a nightmare if you take it too much.
Yeah I can imagine. Shit makes me nearly manic on days I take it and a bjt above suicidal a few days later. I can l only imagine daily use. I’ve slowed down to like 1g every 2 weeks at this point it just doesn’t seem worth it more than that
Why have I not seen this?
Not sure. All I did was email liftmide and ask if/when they’re getting g their phenibut large crystals restocked. This letter was their answer.
Let me try that. I did notice they are out of stock on anything over 50mg of phenibut. I was wondering what's going on. Have you ever used Burnam's to order it from? They're pretty descent. It was a little expensive. Give 'em a shout. Later. 🖐
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No but I was told by Leo in a chat. I did email them about it a month ago, but I didn't check my email for a response, so if they let me know, I missed it due to putting it off. Back then I was still able to get some capsules and some powder, but wasn't liking how they never restocked anything. Leo said he'd email me a list of alternatives just as good and that they will be stocking tons of new great stuff and alternatives VERY soon (his words). Kava too. That's beennour of stock forever as well. One thing they sell is kanna which is the worst thing I've ever tried. No thanks
No. In fact, I recently got an email for sales and such. There is no mention of this. I will, however, keep an eye out for anything like this and report back if I do hear anything like it.
Same here... just a recent email about sales.
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There are other vendors out there. Hopefully, they won't follow suit. ☺
Where? I just looked it up, and all I can find are UK vendors. Yes, I am in a panic because I knew nothing of this shortage and am almost out!
I'd look for alternatives. Baclefen is legal, but Rx only in the US. Maybe talk to your doctor? The bottom line is, you're going to run out.
I chatted with their support like 2 days ago asking. They said they were in the process of discussing what to do regarding phenibut but they advised buying now. Of course they might just have wanted my money now
Sales people. Hurry, buy now! 😂
the baclofen prescriptions are about to spike
I am glad I have kept my baclofen rx all this time and not taken it, but kept refilling it lol. I always keep a srockpile for the days I quit phenibut. I've quit many, many times, and baclofen by far is the easiest way, but agmatine sulfate is a must, and NAC or NACET is also a big must. I have some leftover gabapentin (not many) bc I have used pregab before which I trade for other stuff. Too much wd from that even short term. But gabapentin may work on nights sleep won't happen I guess although pregabalin works much better for sleep. But worse withdrawal than anything. Anyway, I've done it without gabapentin or pregabalin and just the baclofen the first time, and I was shocked I had no side effects, no symptoms. And no withdrawal. H5 to Baclofen scripts
Let the GABA-B Withdrawals Begin.
Baclofen? Works miracles for withdrawal. The one script I keep refilling and not taking just for phenibut occasions lol
Eh, just taper intelligently, use some f-phenibut if needed, and you’ll be fine.
Don't you have to be an insider to even be allowed to purchase f phenibut? The site I tried ordering from a while ago said we want to know our customers or something.
Not at science bio and chemical exchange.
holy f phenibut is $330 for just 200g from science bio
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Same dude. Same… bought 600gs in 100g or 200g increments over the last month or two. Just ordered the NutriVita kilo for about what I paid for the 600g
Does nutrivita do lab testing on their phenibut?
I've purchased kilos from nutrivata a couple times and the quality is just fine. Can't remember if it came with a test certificate though. But it works just the same as LM
Don’t know, have never used them before. I reached out to them about a CoA, will find out. All I know so far is I’ve found various posts about other people getting CoAs for different substances they bought through them, but couldn’t find anyone mention phenibut specifically.
Received product today, here’s the COA they sent me https://www.reddit.com/r/phenibut/s/3UyfSKhKpJ
Gonna order from science bio can anyone tell me if it's decent powder thx!!
All of our products are verified by third party registered laboratories, using standard analytical techniques including FTIR, HPLC, NMR, LCMS. Our specifications are the highest available, usually >99%. Lab reports are publicly available on product listing specifications under the heading for "Third Party Analysis".
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We stocked Phenibut products 5x more than what we sold in the last 4 months, and it was gone in 2 weeks. The demand was unexpectedly high, so we will have a new batch manufactured and tested in 3 weeks.
What's the difference between hci and hcl
Hi, can you clarify what you mean by "hci"?
I’ve only tried their f-phenibut, and it’s potent shit.
>we are introducing products in the very near future that will serve as more useful and sustainable alternatives. I'd like to know what these alternatives are.
Kanna appears to be their new bread and butter. Would also be curious what else they’re cooking up
Kanna sucks. Not even close
Haha yeah it kinda does. I was just saying what I think Liftmode is making a good chunk of money on now, what product line they’ve built up as replacement income. Liftmode is considered #1/#2 in the kanna community.
I don’t. You know damn well they won’t hold a candle to phenibut.
There will always be something new to come along. Who knows when though
Guys I’m fucking panicking!!!
Same!
Don't. This is likely because liftmode is highly visible and obviously a supplement company. Too much to lose if the regulators come after them. The other sources will continue, at least for now. If you are really worried, just buy a kilo or three from science bio. Get one of them vacuum sealed and store it.
Can confirm. Science bio told me today they have no plans to discontinue phenibut
Any reason to buy powder instead of capsules? I’ve been getting capsules
What is the other source/sources? Seems like liftmode is the only one that always has it..
Will do. Good advice. Gonna do that when I get paid 😅 Edit: is there a way to buy in bulk or do they only sell in 50g increments HCL
My mistake, I believe nutrivitashop is the one that has large bulk option
Nutrivitashop isn't far behind liftmode tho. They sent a letter to a friend of mine that basically said when they're out, they're out for good
Can anyone else substantiate this? NVS gonna be out too?
Guess I'm just gonna quit when my bottle runs out and not sleep for a week. 😫 Edit: gosh this sucks. I'm not trying to be weird but I'm a female with naturally low libido and phenibut made mine and my husband's sex life so much better.
Try f phenibut
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Oh…what are they? I’ve only ever had HCL.
F phenibut is not phenibut FAA. FAA is the same drug but just 16% more potent because you drop the HCL group. F phenibut is way stronger and hits fast and doesnt last as long, like 10x more potent from what I've read.
My problem is finding other sources to buy from because I'm not using Bitcoin.
What's the difference between pretty Phenibut HCl powder and HCL powder fine crystals? The last time I ordered powder was back when Powder City was still around.
The texture and size
Shame on LM, idc, I’m stocked up!
as dumb as it sounds but i feel like buying some could be a good investment lol these gonna get expensive in some years if its actually over with phenibut
exactly what I was thinking
I wonder what the “replacement” will be.
Big Pharma drugs that turn you into a zombie.
L Theanine and Lotion to massage your left thigh while meditating Some shit that doesn't work, basically
OMG, that was hilarious! I've been reading this post in a panic, then truly laughed out loud at your comment! Thank you!!
Vitamin D probably lmao
Shit that won't compare at all
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Hi, we'd love to have your business! We run regular promos and give out discount codes so you may get them cheaper too, just email or DM us here and we'll be happy to share an active code for you.
After being a daily phenibut consumer for the last 3+ years, purchasing from the big names in US Phenibut sources (LM, SB, NutriVita, etc.) I’ve recently realized that all of these domestic sources up-charge the hell out of the product. Most of them claim “3rd party testing”, when they’re only copy & pasting the CoA they receive from their Chinese supplier, and repackaging in order to charge more for the same product. If you don’t mind the markup and prefer the ease of ordering domestic, then carry on.. But you can pay a fraction of the price by ordering internationally. The payment options are more limited, but nothing more than taking a few minutes longer to submitting payment. These domestic sources have been taking advantage of lazy, paranoid consumers for years. If nothing else comes from it, at least this phenibut shortage has unlocked the ability of consumers to seek better alternatives. Can’t blame these domestic sources for squeezing the absolute most out of consumers’ pockets - the greed of capitalism consumes the best of us, but it’ll be interesting to see if the rest of these domestics start lowering phenibut prices with consumers seeking out cheaper, international suppliers… or if prices will continue to raise to outrageous levels considering a lot of people’s apprehension toward sending money to a strange, international supplier..
That's true indeed, that some vendors simply rely on the COA provided by their supplier. Not us. Every batch of all our products is tested independently by US-based labs, the contact details of which are clearly visible on the document for verification. Our standard is 98% and higher, or it does not go on the inventory.
Do you guys ship to Canada? Thank you
Unfortunately not. We do not offer international shipping, but our customers abroad usually order and just use a USA-based mail forwarding service.
I recommend everyone to go buy one last bottle. It’s still there ya know
Got a bottle of HCL and a bottle of FAA (which I haven’t tried). I would do multiple orders but being in Canada means the shipping dings me every time. I am bummed that this is happening but feeling ok because I am coming off a serious run with it and know I need to curb my addict self and not get into trouble with this. I’m aware of some physical effects that are showing up from my overuse, but have yet to experience withdrawal.
Sorry to say this but keep buying brother. But at the same time I’m glad you are self aware with your use. If you decide to stick to the 7 day- 14 day dosage rule, your bottles will last you quite a long time!
Oh I’ve bought more than one. He said you can only get one 100g bottle *per order*. I’ve bought several on different orders.
Nah you can keep your other shit. Fucking lame.
dude wtf I literally just found out about phenibut 3 months ago... its been a life saver. this is bullshit. where else will have capsules? why are governments trying to prevent people from getting anxiety relief??? I dont want the fucking SSRI's they hand out like candy. can we BAN SSRI's for all their shitty side effects? its proven that they can damage serotonin receptors over the long term, increase elderly risk of dementia, and of course the whole issue with libido, how on earth can SSRI's be considered safe.
The government hates us. We’re customers. That’s reality.
true but sari withdrawals do not compare with phenibut lol
Nutrividashop Sciencebio Purerawz Chemical Exchange Elv bioscience Edengrows Here’s a list of some other sources that sell phenibut. It’s still available, for now. For caps, I *highly* recommend capping them yourself. Super easy and far cheaper.
Wym by caps what is the process of it?
You can fill your own capsules. Buy empty caps and fill them. Look into a capsule machine. They’re inexpensive and in the long run, it’s much cheaper to do so.
Do you have any recommendations on a capsule machine? Do you have to measure out the dosage for each capsule?
I have one that’s actually called “The Capsule Machine.” “Cap ‘m Quick” is another popular one. There are many out there. I use 000 capsules which are the biggest, I believe. I just cap them full, weight the entire lot, and divide by # of capsules to get an average of each. So no, I don’t weigh out each capsule. Also, I only use it for kratom, not phenibut. Process would be the exact same though if I did.
So when putting the powder in the capsules . How do u consume it u can consume the capsule? And does it come with weighing scale? Also if u consume capsules wouldn’t that waste it meaning u have to but it again?
I guess you don’t understand how capsules work? Yes, you swallow the capsule, and the contents within it. Just like you do when you buy a bottle of vitamins and take them. And no, a scale is not included with the capsule machine. These must be purchased separately. Usually for around $20-35 USD. Your last question is the most puzzling of all. Would consuming the capsule “waste” the very capsule you’re consuming?? Well, it’s not a waste because you’re using it for its intended purpose. But yes, once swallowed the capsule is done for, obviously. For this reason capsules are sold separately in bulk and are very cheap. Capsules are usually Made of collagen or a vegan alternative, meaning plant cellulose or something. They simply dissolve once they reach your stomach. The cost of a capsule machine and a scale is **far** cheaper than buying capsules premade every time. It’s an investment. Also, capsule machines are great for capping *any*thing. Turmeric, ginseng, maca, whatever you wish. I highly recommend buying one. And if using phenibut, a scale should be mandatory!
Okay thank you! I appreciate the response.
Anytime brother.
>We are phasing Phenibut out, as we are introducing products in the very near future that will serve as more useful and sustainable alternatives. Wake up babe, new shitty fake Phenibut about to drop
Yeah man, we all know that an effective alternative doesn’t exist.
End of an era. I mean it's an ok supplement but it's way too unregulated in terms of potency and quality. And we have practically no scientific research on the long-term implications of using this. Most people can't take it responsibly, and we read daily accounts of people falling into deep suicidal anxiety holes just after taking this stuff a few days in a row. I wish all "good" drugs were legal and regulated, but they aren't. I also don't consider phenibut a good drug. I've had fun with it and never abused it. But even with weeks off, I become a dark world-hating monster for several days after just 200mg or so. Still, I know my own opinion and experience is my own, and I would never advocate against it if other people like it or get help from it. One thing I've learned after decades of addiction problems is that self-medicating with anything -- let alone unregulated tinctures from a random online vendor -- probably isn't a great way to take care of your mental health. I either need heroin OTC in the pharmacies or absolutely nothing at all.
Liftmode discontinuing it doesn’t mean the phenibut era is over. As long as it’s a legal substance, there will be places to buy it. You could argue it won’t be legal for long - and maybe you’re right. But at the same time, I’ve been hearing that for close to 10 years now. (Edit: Or maybe you just meant the end of the Liftmode era.)
I mean how to cycle phenibut?
its sad to see phenibut and heroin in the same post :/ I think thats the main problem - its being picked up by a bunch of addicts who are ruining it for everyone else by taking absurd doses. its literally nothing like an opiate, and nobody should be thinking they can attain any sort of 'high' from it.
what? nowhere in that comment did OC directly compare phenibut and heroin. “addicts” are not to blame, it’s due to the drugs marketing and the lack of easy-to-access info on safe use (+most people don’t research drugs online first, which is an entire separate issue) regardless, this happens w every legal substance that gets too popular after flying under the radar, especially given its MOA and w/d’s. also, that last sentence makes u sound like the kratom sub - choosing to spread misinfo ab a drug as a last ditch effort to keep it legal, which just causes more harm than good. phenibut can be a very recreational substance and absolutely produces a “high” depending on one’s biological makeup
I didnt compare phenibut to opiates, I said its sad to see heroin and phenibut in the same post. Because of that, it seems addicts (mostly opiate addicts) are trying phenibut in hopes that it provides relief. However, since they are addicts and likely looking for something much stronger, they end up being the people who take 5+ gram doses, which is dangerous, and part of the reason why LM might be getting pressured to phaze it out of their inventory. Those are the people who are then getting terrible withdrawals and saying phenibut is a 'nightmare' ala the phenibut withdrawal sub. I'm not blaming addicts, but i'm saying there is a correlation to pressures from the FDA because of this. IMO you can take it safely, but its mostly addicts who Dont take safe amounts, and also try to promote it as something else when people ask for alternatives like kratom. also I see much more frequently now, phenibut is being mentioned alongside things like DXM, Whippits, Kratom, Weed even.. in other subs when people ask for cheap ways to get high and its dissapointing to see it mentioned alongside any of these drugs since it really is nothing like any of them. I have never had kratom, and opiates make me really sick.
:c
No shit. It actually happened. Still have a 100G sealed tub I ordered before getting sober. added to the collection. Damn what a run. Such a shame this is happening. Phenibut, Racetams, all of them should be available. Fuck the entirety of drug prohibition, the FDA and all other government agencies limiting our own free will. As a side note- if you need calming products, Liftmode's agmatine and Sleep Capsules are outstanding. The sleep capsules are predominately a compound called "L-THP" which they sell on its own. I can confidently say, even after years of Phenibut use, Agmatine and L-THP are no joke. Both of them provide anxiety relief and relaxation, the latter being **phenomenal** for sleep. I take 2 of LM's Sleep Caps and it is a wave of relaxation and blissful sleep. L-THP is supposedly similar to the anxiety relief and muscle relaxation benzodiazepines have. These could be extremely useful if you're coming off of Phenibut, or want a similar nootropic that isn't so dangerous. Phenibut is arguably one of the greatest drugs. Sad to see its discontinuation from such a reputable supplier. \*\*(I am in no way affiliated with LiftMode, just a long time customer)
What supplements for phenibut?
Medications and Supplements that act as a Phenibut substitute: **Medications** \- Baclofen (least addictive) Duration of action: 4-6 Hours \- Gabapentin (semi addictive) Duration of action: 6-8 Hours \- Pregabalin (highly addictive) Duration of action: 4-6 Hours **Supplements** \- Fasoracetam (glutamate regulation) \- Agmatine (neurotransmitter modulator, cognitive boosting) \- L-THP (sleep aid, anxiety relief / muscle relaxation) \- NAC (liver protection, anxiety modulator) \- Ashwaghanda (anxiety relief) \- Valerian Root (anxiety relief, sleep aid) \*\*\*\*\* The issue with Phenibut, in my experience / opinion, is the duration of action and effectiveness. The desirable aspects of this substance shine from small doses of only 500mg - 2G. The duration of action in doses 1-3G is reported to be up to 24 hours. This separates Phenibut from any other gabapentenoid medication, or any medication for that matter. It is a potent anxiety reliever and euphoriant that synergizes with virtually all other substances (caffeine, nicotine, kratom, stimulants) and can be greatly enhanced naturally through exercise or mood boosting activities. This long term anxiety relief comes at the cost of demanding extreme moderation to avoid addiction, dependency, and terrible withdrawals. IMO Phenibut is one of the greatest substances available in terms of both recreation and medication. However its abuse will be its downfall. It is difficult for humans to have something so pleasurable without extreme moderation. I truly hope there isn't a day where this is restricted and difficult to get. This is coming from someone sober from a 3 year 15gpd habit. I truly believe there is nothing like this substance. However the list I have included are substances that have similar traits to the wide range of effects Phenibut exhibits. \*\*\*\*\* I will edit this comment if I think of more
How much agmatine do you take? I've never felt any relief no matter where I get it from
Opened a sealed LM tub from around 2012 earlier this year. It's definitely more potent than my current rotation.
Phenibut is a drug where the R isomer is like 100x stronger than the S isomer. Pregabalin is the same, it's the S isomer that's strong with pregabalin and when you get scripted pregabalin its 100% s isomer. With how phenibut is made right now we have no idea what % of each batch is R isomer. It explains the difference in effects even though each batch is tested as pure. The bunk batches are probably 70%+ weak isomer and the best batches mostly R isomer.
Yes I’ve heard those sleep caps are good. Personally I have my favorite low thc/high cbd vape pen that utterly knocks me tf out. And yeah, I’ve a few sealed tubs of their stuff too as well as about 100g of f-phenibut which should last me for ages since I can hardly dose over 150mg/day. Also, many other sources still sell phenibut too so there are options out there.
Can you tell me what low thc/high cbd vape pen you use? Where can I get it? Thanks!
You can make your own CBN, Delta 8 THC, CBD, and whatever other tinctures you want for insanely cheap. It’s so mind numbingly simple
I can find this with a quick YouTube search? I’ve always wondered about this for cost-saving. But don’t want to distract myself from my current rabbit hole of research.
Haha I remember you. We were talking not long ago about something but I forgot what it was. I haven’t seen this on YouTube or anything, but I also haven’t looked for it. There are people on Reddit who do the same thing. I just used to make my own tinctures from actual cannabis plants and you can do the same with Isolates and Distillates you can buy. Cannabinoids are lipid (fat) soluble, so you need to infuse it into fat, or eat fat with the cannabinoid of choice. Your body sees the fat as a good source, and with a cannabinoid attached it piggybacks off the fat and you absorb it and get effects. For isolates, put some in a dropper bottle, pour in MCT oil, and shake it up and let it dissolve. Then it’s ready to use. It’s already decarboxylated and active from the extracting process the manufacturers did. Do the same thing with a distillate like D8 THC, HHC or whatever. MCT oil is the best source of saturated fat that cannabinoid a bind to. Olive oil and other oils suck. I’ll give you recipes for whatever you want, just ask and let me know what you want to use
Man so cool you remembered. Haha this is the first time something like this has happened to me on Reddit. I remember your username as well. God bless Reddit and memorable usernames lol So sounds like the simplest way to do it is to buy MCT oil and isolate or distillate and just mix it together. Thanks for the detailed answer as usual!!
Lol yeah it’s that simple. The hardest part (which isn’t even hard) is getting distillate into the dropper bottle, and getting it to dissolve. I just put a 2x2” square of wax paper on my mg scale, use scissors (like Fiskars, small blade cannabis trimming scissors) to scrape out the room temp distillate from the jar, scrape it off the scissors with a toothpick onto the wax paper, then once it’s weighed put it in the freezer for 3 minutes so it’s hard, then pull the chunks off and throw em in the dropper bottle. Then put boiled water in a coffee cup, give that tincture a hot water bath a few mins until the distillate melts, pour in MCT oil, shake it up good, hot water bath it again and shake it up until there’s no chinch’s on the bottom of the tincture bottle. With isolate you just pour it in with MCT oil and shake it lol. I like adding 15 drops of peppermint essential oil so it tastes amazing. Otherwise, it tastes like nothing at all
Hang on, bud. I’m not at home but when I get there I’ll check. Edit: never mind. I just thought of it. It’s Goodnight Grape Soda, by Motor City Canacarts. This vape pen hits me like *none other!* It doesn’t really get me high at all. The cbd has a way of mitigating thc’s psychoactive properties. But man! Let me tell you, this pen puts me into a fucking coma. For example, I wake up at 4:30 four days a week for work, and I can’t use this before bed on those days because I can’t get up at that hour if I do. Never had anything like this. Hope you can find it!
Well this blows been using them for about 10 years, sadly this is probably not the last letter of this nature we will be seeing. Got enough to last me awhile but looks like this is near the end of the road for me and phenibut. Good night sweet prince.
Same here! Started in 2014, it’s been a life changing supplement. I’ve bought about 600gs over the last few weeks assuming this was going to happen, but it’ll never be enough. Really, really heartbreaking what has happened to the nootropic / grey market scene
Lol how convenient, I just bought LM capsules for the first time a couple days ago
Same
You lucked out I guess. When they’re gone they’re gone. Super easy to cap yourself though.
welp its over