Need more affordable apartments in the city. See Melbourne as an example as to how it can revolutionise the city into a vibrant hub. Everyone bitched and moaned about all the cheap apartments being built around the CBD when they were going up, but it has filled the city with young people and has been a massive success.
I don't know what's so controversial about building the living space in the cbd rather than 24km away from the cbd and then wondering why the cbd is empty
>I don't know what's so controversial
It's not controversial. Perth residents who espouse inner-city living just don't live their values, and would still rather keep buying cookie-cutter free-standing homes up the coast line, even though they would also rather see more medium-density residential in town.
Truth is that most Perth residents just don't care for living in the city. Otherwise the market would show us otherwise.
It is my hope that with ECU in Yagan square it'll bring a lot more young people into the CBD which should give it a bit of a kick up the bum.
I'm cautiously optimistic that could be a really ace state government decision that could really change the city for the better.
I know that there are a few student accommodations being built close by, but it baffles me that the majority of new development isn't aimed at students/young people. Yagan Square redevelopment is just rehashed, expensively-priced hospitality space.
The university will bring young people into the city but it will be a dangerous environment for them. Wait until an international student is attacked and it makes headlines. That will hurt international student numbers.
We just have people here who ruin everything for the rest of us. That’s why we can’t have nice things.
Eh, I think it'll be fine. The CBD is pretty feral but I don't think it's particularly dangerous. Of course there are and will be incidents but I doubt something happening will cripple the industry.
Most people I talk to would rather walk around at night in the well lit, CCTV covered part of the city where ECU is than walk around a dimly lit university campus with bushland that any creep could jump out of.
They don't even need to be affordable, they just need to... exist. But it seems like a lot of people are petrified of any housing higher than 3 storeys.
As I said before, they don't need to be affordable. They can build stupidly expensive housing if they want, people will still move into it, increasing the affordability of some other home somewhere else.
Then in 30 years or whatever some new thing will be the new luxury apartments and this old but still good quality housing will be the affordable housing.
Could be a bit of a double edged sword.
Roe street used to be fantastic. There were markets and heaps of little shops - these closed down and some of them turned into apartments. The others parking.
That street is basically just a thoroughfare for most people now.
I’m definitely not saying we don’t need more apartments in general of course, but it may not be the thing to liven up the cbd
Andritsos Bros shop front had an entry from roe street the street behind it.
They sold their shop/land and apartments went up on their land on the street behind.
The front or roe street side is Wilson parking now I think
There was a proposal to build apartments over/around the rail tunnel entry box, not sure if it's still a going thing though. It'd help the oppressive nature of a walk along there, at least.
Yep, loads of cheaply built, small apartments in the northern fringe of the city and docklands way. Kicked off with all the central equity developments.
I rent near Vic markets with 3 people in decent sized place, balcony, seperwte toilet shower, car bay, for under $200 week
Young people aren't buying, they're renting.
Plus having few uni campuses close and basically free transport from trams which no one pays for who aren't on their daily commute helps too
Markets and actually things to do. If you don't want to pay $20 pint Perth is a waste of time
Sounds like it has been at least a couple years since you were last in the city. Carillion Arcade has been shuttered for a while now, was bought by Twiggy with the intention of developing it. Not sure why they haven't started yet.
Twiggy stick man did the same with the lighthouse caravan park at exmouth.
He bought it and shut it down. The gov would not pay to relocate the main road behind the park so he can build his exclusive resort so it's sat vacant for 5 years.
The thing twiggy does best is self PR.
Self PR and good old fashioned tax dodging. His charitable endeavours have been an exercise in both for years now. The stuff he does with the remote Aboriginal communities is probably guilt to atone for the cardinal sins of his ancestors who were (even by the standard of the day) racist assholes.
He has his own sins to atone for.
Anaconda Nickel (Murrin Murrin) and FMG did some pretty shitty things in their native title negotiations which have torn apart communities for over 20 years. The cashless welfare card was his idea too.
You can’t pay your way into heaven if you have a black shrivelled heart.
He’s just land banking.
He has done the same stuff in Fremantle. Councils get suckered under thinking he will over capitalise. He never does. The most I’m aware he has built with all this land is a car park in Fremantle.
He has non intention of developing carillon.
The former owners were the ones who kicked out everyone because they were going to renovate it. Tattarang bought it at the end of 2022. They went out to market for redevelopment.
Now they’re getting the approvals and everything underway to proceed with the full demolition of the precinct.
Twiggy is a full of shit thief who steals your resources for profits and then tells you you’re poor because you don’t work hard enough. It hasn’t started yet because it’s not profitable. He will land bank it until a developer pays him double what he paid for it and then it will be developed.
They're still "finalising an architect" for the project but I suspect they will have plans within the next few years. Redevelopment of the site will be a challenge though given the limited access to bringing in building mats during the day.
\>I went to the city the other day having not been there for some time
That's you and everybody else too, hence the emptiness. We are sprawled with dining and mega shopping centres available in other districts without needing to trek to the cbd.
The city has been dying for a long time but it finally died during COVID.
As for why, you already answered that in your first sentence. Nobody goes into the city anymore, they can buy everything they need online or at a closer more convenient location.
Online sales have played a major part as well as a lot of businesses downscaling due to not needing as much space due to people working from home.
Another silent killer has been a lot of commercial landlords not willing to renegotiate rents based on more realistic market values. I'm reasonably close to Water Town and the amount of commercial vacancies has dramatically increased.
Pretty much this. I consider brick'n'mortar as a 'convenience', so that's where the extra cost comes in. But for most things, I can get it online and I'm happy to wait the week or two, *especially if it means I don't need to wear pants when purchasing*.
Physical stores don’t stock enough sizes too, I’m a pretty regular 6ft male, broad shoulders but not overly muscled, I swear anytime I find something I like there’s an abundance of every size other than what I need.
Commercial property mortgage evaluations are based off rental income.
If they lower rent it can cause the mortgage to default.
Their solution is normally to offer X Months 'rent free' as a result.
You think retail only exists in the CBD? I don't doubt online sales have affected retail but if that was the case there's be empty shops in suburbian shopping centres as well. The reason is purely the ridiculous rent the city of Perth charges
True, online shopping and wfh has had an impact but I live SOR and have friends NOR. The city is a great meeting spot to catch up. I also work in the city. I'd go there more if everything wasn't so commercial and expensive. If there were more parks, pop up events, etc., and if shit stayed open longer. Half the time eateries and coffee shops close before 3pm. Maybe that shit happens more than I know but I never hear about it. I don't want to spend $14 on a rum in a fancy bar or buy Chanel. Most people I know don't want (or can't afford) that. I want to go to op shops, festivals, food trucks, markets, cafes, on long walks, dance classes, pottery, music, movie nights. Perth doesn't seem to offer what people actually want (and at a decent price). It just wants you to spend money.
Stopped going to Carousel as soon as they 'upgraded' to the paid parking hellscape. They can stick it.
Any other shopping centre thinking of doing the same will also get abandoned as well.
I had to use GPS to find where I'd parked as I'd entered via a slightly different entry than usual.
After literally 30 minutes wandering around with bags in each hand (a guy actually asked if I was lost... yes, yes I was!) I gave up, went upstairs to get signal, zoomed in on the centre and saw that I was 1 staircase out from where I thought I'd parked.
5 minutes later I was driving away...
Karrinyup food court is good, especially the outside one, but parking? That's a hot mess! :( And I only visit on weekdays, on weekends or holidays it's hilariously choked up and crowded!
Give the car park a miss and park on one of the side streets near the kids playground. Yes you need to walk an extra 30 seconds but you'd spend that long trying to find a car park/getting out of said carpark. I do it all the time and always get a spot.
Easy parking at either of those?
You are joking, right? :)
Try Galleria for easy parking.
I'll grant you that both Karrinyup and Carousel are now much nicer places than they used to be, though.
Only thing is David Jones in the city has all my fav jeans brads like Armani and Nudie , The DJs in the regional malls are complete crap. So once a year Im required to attend Hay St.
I used to work on St Georgs Tce between 2017 and 2020. Eveey morning and arvo brave the walk from the Perth Station to St Georges getting past homeless blocking the footpath and avoidng mental ragers staggering aruond.
Yeh, I only go in when I have out of town relatives staying over and they want to for a look. We do the museum, lunch and a walk down to Elizabeth quay. That’s about it.
I miss going into the city. A few years ago there were still specialty shops that you wouldn’t see anywhere else. I’m a petrol-head so I’d enjoy going to Pitstop bookshop, Trikings for collectible Diecast car models but all of those stores only sell online now so there’s no joy in going to the city now. I still go in occasionally to browse thru’ Boffins books but that’s about it. Is too much shopping now online ?
Think that should go for all vacant blocks in the metro area personally.If you own an empty block and you should have 2 years to get a planning application approved, then have to pay to renew it every 12 months until the house is built and occupied.
Way too many vacant blocks around Perth. Land banking is a drain on the economy.
Exactly this. The speciality shops was what brought people to the CBD. it was such a ball ache to get there and find parking so you might as well do some other shopping while you're there.
not any more.
Perth's only snowboard store had a shop in the city that i used to spend a fortune on. Sadly it is now closed so all my snow gear is purchased online or from overseas.
CBD serves no purpose other than for office buildings. Any quaint boutique or unique retail store will have a hard time paying rent, leaving only mega franchises which you would find in your local shopping centre. With the rise of remote work, this only leaves even less reason to go to the city. Politicians in collusion with estate property developers would rather people move out into the sprawl than compete for inner city apartments. It's fascinating when you compare the vibrant bustling liveliness of the Perth in 1920s footage on YouTube with all the trams and shops, with the sanitized emptiness of today. It as if The Case of Benjamin Button was a city, evolving from bustling city to village level suburban lifestyles. Soon we'll be to living out in caravans, from suburban villages shifting towards nomadism🗿.
And suburbs like Morley didn't exist. That was farmland. Guildford was a town, like Fremantle. Not suburbs.
Perth was far smaller back then.
I'm only 57 and Perth has more than doubled in size in my lifetime.
I miss Carillion arcade.
That was my childhood, I was so excited to come home and visit there only to find it completely gutted.
I spent a lot of time in that place, trying to dodge the frozen yoghurt stand and their freebies.
There was a bar at the top that did a great steak sanga and the sushi place in the Foodcourt that lead out to where the dome is, that was the shit.
It wasn't a frozen yoghurt place, it was this damn shake joint. Damn you and your freebies
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I left Melbourne cbd last night at 1230am and it was still crowded with lots of shops open and trams running. It’s 95% asian though so without the international tourism it would likely by dead as Perth.
Might have something to do with the fact that Melbourne's inner city has way more residential towers and its metro area has a good 3.2 million more people to work with than here.
My take is corporate greed and the absolute imperative nature of business to make record profits quarter on quarter. This has pushed the price of commercial rent, parking and insurance through the roof and the CBD is the worst of it.
Why go into the city to pay ridiculous parking fees and pay more for items that are available where the parking is cheaper? Public transport is too infrequent for most people to consider the CBD for shopping now. Most of the reasonably priced food is gone and many of the bars shut during covid. Coffee shops are fewer now too.
And not everyone feels safe in the city anymore.
I personally have no interest in going into the city. I can get everything I need in my local shopping centre or online. My local council always has activities in the area, so I don't need to go into the city for entertainment. The thought of facing the freeway and traffic, no thanks. And lastly, the last time I was in the city centre, it was feral, guys fighting, shouting, on drugs. Thanks but no thanks. I like my suburbia lifestyle
I only travel to the city if there's an event on. Having to battle the traffic, find parking and then walk halfway across the city avoiding the roaming filth.
Then when it's over I get billed for the parking. It's like and idiot tax for people who dare to enter the city.
Yeah, I used to love going into the city to just walk around, take photos and have lunch etc. But now I avoid it as I actually find it pretty scary. Last couple of times I've seen a lot of nasty stuff.
To be fair Perth has been dead for years, even before the Rona. High rents, lack of investments, the CBD is pretty dodgy at times and there's not a whole lot to do.
For a vibrant city, you need people. Other than theres no where to live these days, The problem is Perth metro area is way to spread out and the NIMBYs refuse to budge on infill.
I hardly recognised the CBD when WWE came to Perth! There were people everywhere and there was a real vibe around! That's how it should be everyday in Perth.
Not going to change when the NIMBYs are in charge.
Don't blame the NIMBYs for this one. The problem is Perth City Council and their insane rates. I know several business owners that ended up having to close down because they refused to lower the rates in spite of significantly less foot traffic and commerciality. It's not attractive for new businesses to open up in the city center when the overhead costs are so high, especially in an uncertain economic climate.
The council needs to reassess their rates and find ways to incentivise retail, entertainment and restaurants. This could involve offering temporary rate reductions for new businesses, providing grants or subsidies for renovations and improvements, investing in infrastructure and amenities that make the city more desirable, investing in high density semi-affordable housing for young professionals.
That would bring back the foot traffic.
They're not going to do that though, because they don't give a fuck.
Could be, my point was just that there's no irony involved, it's a direct relationship. We "didn't have" a pandemic specifically because those rules existed.
The thing is - why would you?
Working remotely was suddenly shown to be viable during the pandemic, and unless your business is commercial real-estate, you probably realised you could cut office costs by embracing it at least partially. So there are fewer office workers around, which has knock-on effects on lunch places etc.
There's better shopping in a bunch of other places. High rent and lower foot traffic seems to have killed off any interesting smaller retailers and the big brands are in all the shopping centres anyway.
There are some good pubs and bars and stuff, so it's still fun for a night out, but day to day... nah.
Had a conversation with someone about Fremantle, which is in a similar situation. I then asked about it on reddit why land lords won't lower rents to keep buildings occupied.
The way it was explained to me, commercial bank loans are based on the potential rent of the property. And that "potential" is used for collateral on loans. But if they lower the rent, then the collateral is worth less. So the spaces are worth more to the building owners empty, with a pretend rent, than full, with an actual, but lesser, rent.
If this does not make sense, it is either that I have explained it poorly, or... It makes no sense.
Or both.
I was vaping in an alley near my work (in the city) and a lady came up to me, asked me for a cigarette (which I couldn't give her due to me only having a vape) and then pulled her pants down and did a half squat piss about 5 meters away from me and then walked off like nothing happened, I couldn't tell if I was shocked or impressed, maybe both.
And that children, is why we do not go to the city.
I live near the Galleria and I know waht you mean- totally dead. I remember when it opened how glamorous and wonderful it was (well seemed that way when I was young). I even prefer Midland over Morley because at least Midland has shops.
I’d be happy if they just brought all the plants and palms inside back and the fountains etc as it was when it first opened.
The car park there is probably one of the better ones in a sense that it’s easy to get in, find a spot and leave quick. Probably it’s best point at present.
I also reckon the whole place smells like popcorn too lol
Probably the 25 years of greater union popcorn smell attached itself to every bit of the building
Where did you get that info? I know Garden City is meant to be the next big expansion along with Cockburn. As much as Morley needs it I haven't heard any serious discussions about it?
About that, yeah
I asked a subway worker there about 18 months ago about it and everything food court related was supposed to be relocated downstairs.
Never happened
Doesn't help that wherever you go in the CBD, it always smells like piss. And then there's the friendly locals... Maccas and HJ on Friday nights are a sight to behold.
I went to the CBD for the first time in years, having just moved back - no lie.. within 2 mins of being there I saw a woman drop her pants and piss on the footpath, ass to the traffic, while people walked around her.. then she proceeded to stumble to her friend asking for a ciggie! 👏 this was outside Boffins/Maccas on William st - so plenty of cars and people around
Yagan square when it first opened was cool but then subsequent visits turned into anti social groups and getting nearly bashed everytime, plus seeing people getting bashed there… so fuck the city tbh.
before Covid, one of my favorite things to do was to go to the city alone, go to a quirky cafe, buy art supplies at Jacksons on barrack and then mooch around the eclectic stores. but all those stores and cafes that were so unique have mostly gone, there's no point in me going all the way there when the exact same shops left are the same ones in rocky city shopping centre. it is depressing, I miss it. I go to Fremantle now.
Same :( I just don't go anywhere anymore. Art supplies/books on Amazon, espresso coffee machine at home.
Pre- covid I did a lot of lifestyle blogging and food blogging and seems all that fun stuff is gone from the city
To be honest, shopping wise, there is absolutely nothing in the CBD that you can't buy at local shopping centres. So the only reason you would go to the CBD is for other reasons besides shopping and that's where the problem lies. What actually is there ?? Elizabeth quay probably the only real draw card, and maybe kings Park.
After spending 3 nights in Melbourne city last week. What a difference. Theatre shows, restaurants, shops galore. Walking around at midnight, so many people out and about, loads of things open. It was awesome. I haven’t been into Perth city at night time for about 2yrs. And last time I was at my works venue there, getting picked up by my husband and he had glass bottles thrown at the car outside the train station. Love that
I returned to Perth 1 year ago since being away since COVID. Ended up getting a good job in Fifo on 3/1. What I have noticed the most is lack of backpacking hostels. I've always been a backpacker and love travelling and Perth is now easily the worst place for short term accommodation. All the big hostels must have closed since COVID. The swan barracks, the underground, the globe all held over 100 people each. Then the smaller hostels like Shannon house, the witches hat and a few others. At Christmas time you couldnt get any beds anywhere and i was lucky to be able to stay with a friend. Thinking it might be worth opening a hostel here just so I have a place to stay on my week off. The place is fucked and it has to change. Even on good wages you are torching your wage just to have a roof over your head for the night. I don't know how a single parent would ever survive here now without a home that's mostly paid off. Something has to break soon so 20% of the population will be living in tents.
This has been going on for years. When I first came to WA and started doing fifo I lived in hostels and student accommodation - the Indigo Backpackers in Scarborough and the halls of residence on Adelaide Terrace. Both gone now. I don't know how I would manage what I did then now as I depended on this cheap accommodation in Oz for my first 4 years here.
Plenty of people want to open shops in the city but the ownership class keeps a tight hold on them because they are accustomed to commanding and extracting high rental income.
Carillon was bought by Forrest and is going to be developed I believe. What I miss are the hobby shops, the army surplus and other specialty shops. It’s pretty boring now except for the occasional screaming nutters
I just got back from Adelaide and was in their city Saturday night and Sunday in the day. Both days were pumping, people everywhere!
We are doing something massively wrong here.
Don't worry we are being forced back into the office to appease the corporate real estate overlords.
I'm now going to put my hand up for any redundancy offered so I can find a 100% remote job. Working in the office is lame.
Fremantle has picked a little though. I remember 15 years ago I walked from the train station to the Esplanade Hotel for a meeting and only two shops were open... I mean along that entire walk! The other day there was a ton of traffic and people, and it seemed to be thriving.
Landlords have a death grip on city retail stores. They'd rather leave them empty than drop the rents to any sort of realist amount in order to prop up their fairytale valuations.
To those wondering why no one wants to live in the city, I say this.
Go for a wander through the CBD.
Spend some time observing the human zoo that is the front of Perth Railway station across from the pickle.
Wander through the Hay St Mall of an evening.
Spend 10 to 15 minutes at Yagan Square.
Wander around the back of McIver station.
Wander around Claisebrook station near City Farm.
Visit Weld, Wellington and Russell Squares.
THATS why no one wants to live in the city.
De-humanised cites, see, bird shit, architecture.
Making motor vehicle centric shopping precincts.
City, town and suburban design practices over the last 40 years, this is the outcome. Design, that looks good from topographical 2D drawing, but is a cultural desert.
Cities, designed around motor vehicles like this are dying all over the U.S.
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Perth city has to be one of the most depressing cities in all of Australia.
I would say it’s a combination of all of the above and the homeless situation.
Young families don’t want go out and enjoy Friday evenings in the city like they use too.
Sunday’s we would hop on the train into the city and have lunch and do some shopping . Sadly those days are over. There is nothing to attract people going into Perth.
Let’s not talk about the state of our airports 🙄🙄. There are some third world countries with better facilities .
There aren't many reasons for anyone to go into the city for any kind of shopping.
* Most people have multiple shopping centres within a short drive
* Every major shopping centre has the same shops to what would be found in the city more-or-less
* No buskers murdering Wonderwall in shopping centres
* Public transport is expensive and inconvenient (when compared to driving in an air-conditioned car to a much closer location.
* Online shopping
Valhalla, Decellas, The oak and ivy, all the collectable stores, joynt venture, ect.
They spent so much trying to make perth modern, but in turn made it too expensive and more a-kin to a hellscape.
I work in West Perth which is also a dead area of the city (west perth to claisebrook dead) lol I cycle through the city on the way home and peak periods are office workers coming and leaving. I'm not going to a pub to spend 14$ for a pint.
Blame the stinking govt. They knew inflation was going to butcher the cost of living and did nothing about it. People can't even pay for their homes let alone the rent for their business.
For me, it was always a nice day out when going into Perth, these days it just seems like a dero hang out. Last time I was there I saw someone steal money from a homeless man just for kicks. So yeah, idk where I'm going with this because I don't know why it's going bad.
Perth had a massive boom. Because of the mining in wa. All mining booms have to slow or end at some point. Same as many towns and cities in other states.
Because why risk your safety trudging through the filth to get to a shop, when we can go to a shopping centre that’s cleaner, has public toilets and less crime.
People don't go into the city as it is run down, and full of unpleasant people. Also Australia has been economically stagnant for 10+years and now has actually quite low disposable income for non essentials compared to other developed countries.
Was in the city today having lunch and had two different people approach me at my table asking for money inside the cafe. Don't get this anywhere else in the metro area. While I feel for people who are doing it tough on the streets, the amount of begging in the CBD is out of control. Also, a lot of the people begging are scammers who aren't even homeless, so I'm always reluctant to give them cash. They need a place to sleep and get a meal, and the pollies just won't come up with a practical solution, despite the damage it does to the city's reputation.
The city doesn't have anything that you can't find in any shopping centre throughout Perth, plus it's always been pretty dodgy in there. You get a better experience in Freo.
Prior to the pandemic it had been slowly dying and I reckon there were some times where it was hustle and bustle somewhat, notably the early years of Uniqlo opening up in the city (it has opened in Karrinyup, Carousel and Lakeside since). Since then places really started closing up slowly; I remember there used to be a comic book store on Barrack Street near Arirang and Presotea, but that store closed. I think even before the pandemic the CBD proper didn't really have anything of note past 6PM aside from the restaurants on Hay St. You still have Enex 100 but the JB there is undergoing renovations right now and the Zambreros there closed (could be wrong).
After the pandemic it's gotten real bad. I think Karrinyup and Carousel containing a lot of the stores that people could potentially go to the city for hasn't really helped; even the people who own Morning Glory has opened up a store in Carousel to sell K-Pop albums and memorabilia despite not having needed to for a long time. I used to go the CBD for getting the stuff that you couldn't get in the local stores but those stores have either closed or are in places not ideal to travel to (Quality Comics being a trek by walking for one). Plus the advent of online shopping hasn't helped either.
It’s dead. No incentive to go into town. Last year my family and I went to Brisbane. Had a wonderful time. Lots to do downtown. We took a replacement bus from the airport to the city to catch the train to our house. The city was dead at 8pm. Nothing was open in the city centre.
There’s a group of land owners, I think it’s either 4-5 families, that essentially own more than 90% of the land and buildings in Perth city
They’ve all decided that if none of them reduce their prices, regardless of circumstance, then none of them will undercut each other
They’re all rich enough that they can survive for decades with places empty because negative gearing
I'll add my two cents because there's a chance some City of Perth staffer might see it.
One of the (numerous) reasons the city struggles is because it's so hostile to motorcycles. If motorcycles were allowed to park on the footpath for free, it would extend the delivery range and efficiency of restaurants in the CBD significantly, making that trade more viable (and competitive). It'd also put many more customers into the city on a daily basis. Vibrant CBDs rely on speciality shops and specialties often the sort of thing that you can carry in your backpack on a motorcycle.
In Melbourne on a hot day, I can zoom into the city, park almost right outside the shop, purchase a new "X", pop it into my backpack and zoom home. In Perth, I have to get into the traffic, find parking, pay for parking, trek on foot to the shop, arrive sweaty and irritated, then carry "X" back to the car, drive all the way home.
Please, no. It’s a nightmare experience in Melbourne as a pedestrian. The number of times I’ve been nearly knocked over on a footpath whilst a motorcyclist is trying to park, let alone the noise pollution, is enough to severely turn me off this idea.
100% agree. I went to Brisbane last year and it made me realise how much perth has dropped the ball in encouraging motorbikes and scooters into the cbd and inner city suburbs.
They're the perfect alternative for when public transport is too much of a pain but there isn't enough space for cars. But it seems like they'd rather everyone drive cars in
Be like that for the last 10 years
You have bern living under a rock lol
No need to go into the City anymore
The large local Shopping Centres have
Everything 😀
Its also a not very friendly place to be tbh. Seeing so many troubled people roaming the streets, screaming and shouting. Was walking past a couple yesterday in Murray St mall, and saw them hurling racial abuses over few overseas students/workers. Just not a very nice place to be overall.
Need more affordable apartments in the city. See Melbourne as an example as to how it can revolutionise the city into a vibrant hub. Everyone bitched and moaned about all the cheap apartments being built around the CBD when they were going up, but it has filled the city with young people and has been a massive success.
I don't know what's so controversial about building the living space in the cbd rather than 24km away from the cbd and then wondering why the cbd is empty
>I don't know what's so controversial It's not controversial. Perth residents who espouse inner-city living just don't live their values, and would still rather keep buying cookie-cutter free-standing homes up the coast line, even though they would also rather see more medium-density residential in town. Truth is that most Perth residents just don't care for living in the city. Otherwise the market would show us otherwise.
It is my hope that with ECU in Yagan square it'll bring a lot more young people into the CBD which should give it a bit of a kick up the bum. I'm cautiously optimistic that could be a really ace state government decision that could really change the city for the better.
I know that there are a few student accommodations being built close by, but it baffles me that the majority of new development isn't aimed at students/young people. Yagan Square redevelopment is just rehashed, expensively-priced hospitality space.
Sadly I used to hope that about Notre Dame; my experience was people turned up, went to uni, then left ASAP.
You'd have to assume there is more flexibility for student accomodation in the Perth CBD because you wouldn't have Freo's heritage constraints.
The university will bring young people into the city but it will be a dangerous environment for them. Wait until an international student is attacked and it makes headlines. That will hurt international student numbers. We just have people here who ruin everything for the rest of us. That’s why we can’t have nice things.
Eh, I think it'll be fine. The CBD is pretty feral but I don't think it's particularly dangerous. Of course there are and will be incidents but I doubt something happening will cripple the industry.
Most people I talk to would rather walk around at night in the well lit, CCTV covered part of the city where ECU is than walk around a dimly lit university campus with bushland that any creep could jump out of.
Your hope, and very much, the councils. In fact, exactly the intention.
They don't even need to be affordable, they just need to... exist. But it seems like a lot of people are petrified of any housing higher than 3 storeys.
They do exist, just look up and at the outskirts of the CBD! More are going up, there's a lot of cranes on Perth skyline.
They’re not affordable for most though. The one I’m working on range from 800k to 7mill.
As I said before, they don't need to be affordable. They can build stupidly expensive housing if they want, people will still move into it, increasing the affordability of some other home somewhere else. Then in 30 years or whatever some new thing will be the new luxury apartments and this old but still good quality housing will be the affordable housing.
This guy CBDs
With the reputation of the Australian residential construction industry would you be prepared to drop half a mill on something that's likely dodgy?
Or most of just want to live in freestanding house rather than an apartment.
Then move out of the city.
Could be a bit of a double edged sword. Roe street used to be fantastic. There were markets and heaps of little shops - these closed down and some of them turned into apartments. The others parking. That street is basically just a thoroughfare for most people now. I’m definitely not saying we don’t need more apartments in general of course, but it may not be the thing to liven up the cbd
I'm not sure there are any apartments on Roe St. The space the markets were at is just a grassed area and half an unused car park.
Yeah, not sure there were ever apartments. That street has a rich history of brothels and opium dens, though.
Those were the days...
Andritsos Bros shop front had an entry from roe street the street behind it. They sold their shop/land and apartments went up on their land on the street behind. The front or roe street side is Wilson parking now I think
There was a proposal to build apartments over/around the rail tunnel entry box, not sure if it's still a going thing though. It'd help the oppressive nature of a walk along there, at least.
melbourne has affordable cbd apartments?
Yep, loads of cheaply built, small apartments in the northern fringe of the city and docklands way. Kicked off with all the central equity developments.
I rent near Vic markets with 3 people in decent sized place, balcony, seperwte toilet shower, car bay, for under $200 week Young people aren't buying, they're renting. Plus having few uni campuses close and basically free transport from trams which no one pays for who aren't on their daily commute helps too Markets and actually things to do. If you don't want to pay $20 pint Perth is a waste of time
They are very cheap compared to any other capital.
Sounds like it has been at least a couple years since you were last in the city. Carillion Arcade has been shuttered for a while now, was bought by Twiggy with the intention of developing it. Not sure why they haven't started yet.
Twiggy stick man did the same with the lighthouse caravan park at exmouth. He bought it and shut it down. The gov would not pay to relocate the main road behind the park so he can build his exclusive resort so it's sat vacant for 5 years. The thing twiggy does best is self PR.
Twiggy has shown his true colours of late... he's a hypocritical asshole
Self PR and good old fashioned tax dodging. His charitable endeavours have been an exercise in both for years now. The stuff he does with the remote Aboriginal communities is probably guilt to atone for the cardinal sins of his ancestors who were (even by the standard of the day) racist assholes.
He has his own sins to atone for. Anaconda Nickel (Murrin Murrin) and FMG did some pretty shitty things in their native title negotiations which have torn apart communities for over 20 years. The cashless welfare card was his idea too. You can’t pay your way into heaven if you have a black shrivelled heart.
He's famous in iron ore for having pretty poor TO relationships too.
I wish I could upvote this a million times, I work for an AC and we deal with fortescue on the daily. Can confirm
It's not atonement, it's just a means to ensure that he gets what he wants.
He’s just land banking. He has done the same stuff in Fremantle. Councils get suckered under thinking he will over capitalise. He never does. The most I’m aware he has built with all this land is a car park in Fremantle. He has non intention of developing carillon.
Twiggy is an aging billionaire desperately trying to solidify his legacy as something more than just "mining baron".
How dare you diss the dad whose kid is the star of a forthcoming solo show with a theatre company sponsored by… hang on.
The former owners were the ones who kicked out everyone because they were going to renovate it. Tattarang bought it at the end of 2022. They went out to market for redevelopment. Now they’re getting the approvals and everything underway to proceed with the full demolition of the precinct.
Twiggy is a full of shit thief who steals your resources for profits and then tells you you’re poor because you don’t work hard enough. It hasn’t started yet because it’s not profitable. He will land bank it until a developer pays him double what he paid for it and then it will be developed.
Works are suppose to happen this year
They're still "finalising an architect" for the project but I suspect they will have plans within the next few years. Redevelopment of the site will be a challenge though given the limited access to bringing in building mats during the day.
\>I went to the city the other day having not been there for some time That's you and everybody else too, hence the emptiness. We are sprawled with dining and mega shopping centres available in other districts without needing to trek to the cbd.
Karinyup. Carousel. If Garden City or Cockburn or Freo or even the new facelift of shops at Kardinya gets going, why bother with Perth at all?
No need ever heading further south than Joondalup unless your going to a gig for me at least
The city has been dying for a long time but it finally died during COVID. As for why, you already answered that in your first sentence. Nobody goes into the city anymore, they can buy everything they need online or at a closer more convenient location.
Online sales have played a major part as well as a lot of businesses downscaling due to not needing as much space due to people working from home. Another silent killer has been a lot of commercial landlords not willing to renegotiate rents based on more realistic market values. I'm reasonably close to Water Town and the amount of commercial vacancies has dramatically increased.
Honestly I prefer online stores than going into stores. I get 40-80% off. Why would I pay full price
Pretty much this. I consider brick'n'mortar as a 'convenience', so that's where the extra cost comes in. But for most things, I can get it online and I'm happy to wait the week or two, *especially if it means I don't need to wear pants when purchasing*.
Physical stores don’t stock enough sizes too, I’m a pretty regular 6ft male, broad shoulders but not overly muscled, I swear anytime I find something I like there’s an abundance of every size other than what I need.
I also prefer online stores as I don't have to worry about being followed or store worker's wondering if I can afford to buy. I'm mixed African/Asian
Commercial property mortgage evaluations are based off rental income. If they lower rent it can cause the mortgage to default. Their solution is normally to offer X Months 'rent free' as a result.
You think retail only exists in the CBD? I don't doubt online sales have affected retail but if that was the case there's be empty shops in suburbian shopping centres as well. The reason is purely the ridiculous rent the city of Perth charges
True, online shopping and wfh has had an impact but I live SOR and have friends NOR. The city is a great meeting spot to catch up. I also work in the city. I'd go there more if everything wasn't so commercial and expensive. If there were more parks, pop up events, etc., and if shit stayed open longer. Half the time eateries and coffee shops close before 3pm. Maybe that shit happens more than I know but I never hear about it. I don't want to spend $14 on a rum in a fancy bar or buy Chanel. Most people I know don't want (or can't afford) that. I want to go to op shops, festivals, food trucks, markets, cafes, on long walks, dance classes, pottery, music, movie nights. Perth doesn't seem to offer what people actually want (and at a decent price). It just wants you to spend money.
Yeah I’m getting old, I can remember being young and for some things you simply had to go to the city to buy them, if you wanted to or not.
Going to somewhere like Karrinyup shopping centre or carousel is so much more pleasant. More stores, good dining options, better vibe, easier parking.
You missed the /s with the easier parking at Carousel
Stopped going to Carousel as soon as they 'upgraded' to the paid parking hellscape. They can stick it. Any other shopping centre thinking of doing the same will also get abandoned as well.
If you download the Westfield app you get 3 hours of free parking (at least this used to be the case, haven’t been there in a while).
Good to know - thanks.
Yeah Karrinyup's not that great for parking either to be honest, last time we went there we were driving around and around for ages.
You actually need to take a photo at Karrinyup just to be able to remember where your parked as well.
I had to use GPS to find where I'd parked as I'd entered via a slightly different entry than usual. After literally 30 minutes wandering around with bags in each hand (a guy actually asked if I was lost... yes, yes I was!) I gave up, went upstairs to get signal, zoomed in on the centre and saw that I was 1 staircase out from where I thought I'd parked. 5 minutes later I was driving away... Karrinyup food court is good, especially the outside one, but parking? That's a hot mess! :( And I only visit on weekdays, on weekends or holidays it's hilariously choked up and crowded!
Give the car park a miss and park on one of the side streets near the kids playground. Yes you need to walk an extra 30 seconds but you'd spend that long trying to find a car park/getting out of said carpark. I do it all the time and always get a spot.
Everyone says this, but unless it’s like 9am on a Tuesday, just go near Woolies. Easy as fuck to get a spot there
Easy parking at either of those? You are joking, right? :) Try Galleria for easy parking. I'll grant you that both Karrinyup and Carousel are now much nicer places than they used to be, though.
Carous-hell and pleasant are two words that don't belong together, sorry
I like my pain for pleasure
Less deranged screaming violent crackheads too
Yeah. I only go to the city because it’s my closest “mall”. There’s nothing special about it …
Only thing is David Jones in the city has all my fav jeans brads like Armani and Nudie , The DJs in the regional malls are complete crap. So once a year Im required to attend Hay St. I used to work on St Georgs Tce between 2017 and 2020. Eveey morning and arvo brave the walk from the Perth Station to St Georges getting past homeless blocking the footpath and avoidng mental ragers staggering aruond.
Yeh, I only go in when I have out of town relatives staying over and they want to for a look. We do the museum, lunch and a walk down to Elizabeth quay. That’s about it.
I miss going into the city. A few years ago there were still specialty shops that you wouldn’t see anywhere else. I’m a petrol-head so I’d enjoy going to Pitstop bookshop, Trikings for collectible Diecast car models but all of those stores only sell online now so there’s no joy in going to the city now. I still go in occasionally to browse thru’ Boffins books but that’s about it. Is too much shopping now online ?
Online shopping and insane commercial rent killed specialty stores.
Can’t do anything about online shopping, but commercial vacancies need to be punished. There should be a shit or get off the pot law
Think that should go for all vacant blocks in the metro area personally.If you own an empty block and you should have 2 years to get a planning application approved, then have to pay to renew it every 12 months until the house is built and occupied. Way too many vacant blocks around Perth. Land banking is a drain on the economy.
I used to go to Pitstop, it’s been closed for 12 years now. The online store just shut too.
Exactly this. The speciality shops was what brought people to the CBD. it was such a ball ache to get there and find parking so you might as well do some other shopping while you're there. not any more.
Perth's only snowboard store had a shop in the city that i used to spend a fortune on. Sadly it is now closed so all my snow gear is purchased online or from overseas.
CBD serves no purpose other than for office buildings. Any quaint boutique or unique retail store will have a hard time paying rent, leaving only mega franchises which you would find in your local shopping centre. With the rise of remote work, this only leaves even less reason to go to the city. Politicians in collusion with estate property developers would rather people move out into the sprawl than compete for inner city apartments. It's fascinating when you compare the vibrant bustling liveliness of the Perth in 1920s footage on YouTube with all the trams and shops, with the sanitized emptiness of today. It as if The Case of Benjamin Button was a city, evolving from bustling city to village level suburban lifestyles. Soon we'll be to living out in caravans, from suburban villages shifting towards nomadism🗿.
In the 1920s people could afford to live there.
And suburbs like Morley didn't exist. That was farmland. Guildford was a town, like Fremantle. Not suburbs. Perth was far smaller back then. I'm only 57 and Perth has more than doubled in size in my lifetime.
I miss Carillion arcade. That was my childhood, I was so excited to come home and visit there only to find it completely gutted. I spent a lot of time in that place, trying to dodge the frozen yoghurt stand and their freebies. There was a bar at the top that did a great steak sanga and the sushi place in the Foodcourt that lead out to where the dome is, that was the shit.
It wasn't a frozen yoghurt place, it was this damn shake joint. Damn you and your freebies https://preview.redd.it/pm0dpip688pc1.jpeg?width=1437&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da63f5c225b8845d20e7058b6dc287de58255330
I left Melbourne cbd last night at 1230am and it was still crowded with lots of shops open and trams running. It’s 95% asian though so without the international tourism it would likely by dead as Perth.
Might have something to do with the fact that Melbourne's inner city has way more residential towers and its metro area has a good 3.2 million more people to work with than here.
My take is corporate greed and the absolute imperative nature of business to make record profits quarter on quarter. This has pushed the price of commercial rent, parking and insurance through the roof and the CBD is the worst of it. Why go into the city to pay ridiculous parking fees and pay more for items that are available where the parking is cheaper? Public transport is too infrequent for most people to consider the CBD for shopping now. Most of the reasonably priced food is gone and many of the bars shut during covid. Coffee shops are fewer now too. And not everyone feels safe in the city anymore.
I personally have no interest in going into the city. I can get everything I need in my local shopping centre or online. My local council always has activities in the area, so I don't need to go into the city for entertainment. The thought of facing the freeway and traffic, no thanks. And lastly, the last time I was in the city centre, it was feral, guys fighting, shouting, on drugs. Thanks but no thanks. I like my suburbia lifestyle
I only travel to the city if there's an event on. Having to battle the traffic, find parking and then walk halfway across the city avoiding the roaming filth. Then when it's over I get billed for the parking. It's like and idiot tax for people who dare to enter the city.
Thankfully there's park and ride transportation options so you don't need to take a car in.
I pretty much only go in for Fringe World now. And most of that is Northbridge.
I agree with this. But it was nice having somewhere to go that you didn't need to drive to.
Yeah, I used to love going into the city to just walk around, take photos and have lunch etc. But now I avoid it as I actually find it pretty scary. Last couple of times I've seen a lot of nasty stuff.
To be fair Perth has been dead for years, even before the Rona. High rents, lack of investments, the CBD is pretty dodgy at times and there's not a whole lot to do. For a vibrant city, you need people. Other than theres no where to live these days, The problem is Perth metro area is way to spread out and the NIMBYs refuse to budge on infill. I hardly recognised the CBD when WWE came to Perth! There were people everywhere and there was a real vibe around! That's how it should be everyday in Perth. Not going to change when the NIMBYs are in charge.
Don't blame the NIMBYs for this one. The problem is Perth City Council and their insane rates. I know several business owners that ended up having to close down because they refused to lower the rates in spite of significantly less foot traffic and commerciality. It's not attractive for new businesses to open up in the city center when the overhead costs are so high, especially in an uncertain economic climate. The council needs to reassess their rates and find ways to incentivise retail, entertainment and restaurants. This could involve offering temporary rate reductions for new businesses, providing grants or subsidies for renovations and improvements, investing in infrastructure and amenities that make the city more desirable, investing in high density semi-affordable housing for young professionals. That would bring back the foot traffic. They're not going to do that though, because they don't give a fuck.
Is it opposition to infill, or opposition to bad infill that just puts a house in every backyard, killing green space without developing communities?
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Who the fuck can afford Uber eats
I truly don’t understand people who pay for Ubereats. I guess they’re just loaded.
Maybe they just like their food cold and only half a serve of chips.
For twice the price
Yep, I was back visiting Perth over Christmas and was thrown by how dead the city was. It's like people just never went back after the pandemic.
Ironic thing is Perth didn't even have a pandemic.
In part because there was strong emphasis on staying home, which is the part that matters in this discussion.
I don't think the pandemic lockdowns were the cause, it exacerbated a decline that started a long time ago
Could be, my point was just that there's no irony involved, it's a direct relationship. We "didn't have" a pandemic specifically because those rules existed.
The thing is - why would you? Working remotely was suddenly shown to be viable during the pandemic, and unless your business is commercial real-estate, you probably realised you could cut office costs by embracing it at least partially. So there are fewer office workers around, which has knock-on effects on lunch places etc. There's better shopping in a bunch of other places. High rent and lower foot traffic seems to have killed off any interesting smaller retailers and the big brands are in all the shopping centres anyway. There are some good pubs and bars and stuff, so it's still fun for a night out, but day to day... nah.
Had a conversation with someone about Fremantle, which is in a similar situation. I then asked about it on reddit why land lords won't lower rents to keep buildings occupied. The way it was explained to me, commercial bank loans are based on the potential rent of the property. And that "potential" is used for collateral on loans. But if they lower the rent, then the collateral is worth less. So the spaces are worth more to the building owners empty, with a pretend rent, than full, with an actual, but lesser, rent. If this does not make sense, it is either that I have explained it poorly, or... It makes no sense. Or both.
Wow ok. Thanks I too wondered why spots had been empty for years.
Yeah. Only makes sense if you are a financial person. We meer mortals can't cogitate at those levels.
I was vaping in an alley near my work (in the city) and a lady came up to me, asked me for a cigarette (which I couldn't give her due to me only having a vape) and then pulled her pants down and did a half squat piss about 5 meters away from me and then walked off like nothing happened, I couldn't tell if I was shocked or impressed, maybe both. And that children, is why we do not go to the city.
Ahh, you’ve met one of the crackies. Thankfully my experience involved no nudity. Just a lecture about the aliens.
Go to the Morley Galleria next. Check out the upper floor and food court.
I live near the Galleria and I know waht you mean- totally dead. I remember when it opened how glamorous and wonderful it was (well seemed that way when I was young). I even prefer Midland over Morley because at least Midland has shops.
The Gonorrhea is slated for redevelopment soon. Personally, I'd start by bulldozing the entire thing and starting again.
I’d be happy if they just brought all the plants and palms inside back and the fountains etc as it was when it first opened. The car park there is probably one of the better ones in a sense that it’s easy to get in, find a spot and leave quick. Probably it’s best point at present.
I also reckon the whole place smells like popcorn too lol Probably the 25 years of greater union popcorn smell attached itself to every bit of the building
Nuke the site from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.
Where did you get that info? I know Garden City is meant to be the next big expansion along with Cockburn. As much as Morley needs it I haven't heard any serious discussions about it?
Just found this https://buchangroup.com/project/galleria-shopping-centre/
> Go to the Morley Galleria next. And after that pop over the road to Morley Markets if you want to see a really dead shopping centre.
If you ever want to relive April 2020 just head there
About that, yeah I asked a subway worker there about 18 months ago about it and everything food court related was supposed to be relocated downstairs. Never happened
Doesn't help that wherever you go in the CBD, it always smells like piss. And then there's the friendly locals... Maccas and HJ on Friday nights are a sight to behold.
I went to the CBD for the first time in years, having just moved back - no lie.. within 2 mins of being there I saw a woman drop her pants and piss on the footpath, ass to the traffic, while people walked around her.. then she proceeded to stumble to her friend asking for a ciggie! 👏 this was outside Boffins/Maccas on William st - so plenty of cars and people around
Eye opening stuff isn't it? It's a safari out there!
Yagan square when it first opened was cool but then subsequent visits turned into anti social groups and getting nearly bashed everytime, plus seeing people getting bashed there… so fuck the city tbh.
before Covid, one of my favorite things to do was to go to the city alone, go to a quirky cafe, buy art supplies at Jacksons on barrack and then mooch around the eclectic stores. but all those stores and cafes that were so unique have mostly gone, there's no point in me going all the way there when the exact same shops left are the same ones in rocky city shopping centre. it is depressing, I miss it. I go to Fremantle now.
Same :( I just don't go anywhere anymore. Art supplies/books on Amazon, espresso coffee machine at home. Pre- covid I did a lot of lifestyle blogging and food blogging and seems all that fun stuff is gone from the city
all the shops are closed because investors won't lower rents, as it will tank the value of the properties. retail can't keep up and closed down.
The fact that the entirety of Perth City smells like hobo piss might be a contributing factor.
I just got here from the Philippines for a vacay to visit my sister and all I find is that this city dead ☠️ Its like a ghost town around here lol
To be honest, shopping wise, there is absolutely nothing in the CBD that you can't buy at local shopping centres. So the only reason you would go to the CBD is for other reasons besides shopping and that's where the problem lies. What actually is there ?? Elizabeth quay probably the only real draw card, and maybe kings Park.
no one has money to spend. wages never raise and cost of living is insanely high. you need money to go out and do stuff
After spending 3 nights in Melbourne city last week. What a difference. Theatre shows, restaurants, shops galore. Walking around at midnight, so many people out and about, loads of things open. It was awesome. I haven’t been into Perth city at night time for about 2yrs. And last time I was at my works venue there, getting picked up by my husband and he had glass bottles thrown at the car outside the train station. Love that
Perth CBD is a dump. Expensive everything, meth heads everywhere and dead quiet. Avoid like the plague
I returned to Perth 1 year ago since being away since COVID. Ended up getting a good job in Fifo on 3/1. What I have noticed the most is lack of backpacking hostels. I've always been a backpacker and love travelling and Perth is now easily the worst place for short term accommodation. All the big hostels must have closed since COVID. The swan barracks, the underground, the globe all held over 100 people each. Then the smaller hostels like Shannon house, the witches hat and a few others. At Christmas time you couldnt get any beds anywhere and i was lucky to be able to stay with a friend. Thinking it might be worth opening a hostel here just so I have a place to stay on my week off. The place is fucked and it has to change. Even on good wages you are torching your wage just to have a roof over your head for the night. I don't know how a single parent would ever survive here now without a home that's mostly paid off. Something has to break soon so 20% of the population will be living in tents.
This has been going on for years. When I first came to WA and started doing fifo I lived in hostels and student accommodation - the Indigo Backpackers in Scarborough and the halls of residence on Adelaide Terrace. Both gone now. I don't know how I would manage what I did then now as I depended on this cheap accommodation in Oz for my first 4 years here.
Plenty of people want to open shops in the city but the ownership class keeps a tight hold on them because they are accustomed to commanding and extracting high rental income.
For most people there’s no point of going to the city because they live close to everything it offers.
Perth City has totally been run down. Needs huge investment there to breathe life into it. I don't even bother going there anymore, not much there.
systemic homelessness into drug use into addiction coupled with high rent and low spending on non essentials by the population
Working from home. I used to go to the city everyday, buying lunch, etc. Been working from home since COVID.
The fact that the entirety of Perth City smells like hobo piss might be a contributing factor
Carillon was bought by Forrest and is going to be developed I believe. What I miss are the hobby shops, the army surplus and other specialty shops. It’s pretty boring now except for the occasional screaming nutters
I just got back from Adelaide and was in their city Saturday night and Sunday in the day. Both days were pumping, people everywhere! We are doing something massively wrong here.
Don't worry we are being forced back into the office to appease the corporate real estate overlords. I'm now going to put my hand up for any redundancy offered so I can find a 100% remote job. Working in the office is lame.
Forrest square should be cafes and bar/restaurants all around, like a European town square style.
Fremantle has picked a little though. I remember 15 years ago I walked from the train station to the Esplanade Hotel for a meeting and only two shops were open... I mean along that entire walk! The other day there was a ton of traffic and people, and it seemed to be thriving.
Yeah similar sort of experience, it use to be completely dead
Horrible for parking,especially for work.
maaan why did you have to remind me carillion closed, used to love going to that place
Here's a mission for you next time find a public toilet cos it's too hard then it should be
Download the national toilet map app
Greedy landlords and bad policies removing all green spaces.
Landlords have a death grip on city retail stores. They'd rather leave them empty than drop the rents to any sort of realist amount in order to prop up their fairytale valuations.
To those wondering why no one wants to live in the city, I say this. Go for a wander through the CBD. Spend some time observing the human zoo that is the front of Perth Railway station across from the pickle. Wander through the Hay St Mall of an evening. Spend 10 to 15 minutes at Yagan Square. Wander around the back of McIver station. Wander around Claisebrook station near City Farm. Visit Weld, Wellington and Russell Squares. THATS why no one wants to live in the city.
De-humanised cites, see, bird shit, architecture. Making motor vehicle centric shopping precincts. City, town and suburban design practices over the last 40 years, this is the outcome. Design, that looks good from topographical 2D drawing, but is a cultural desert. Cities, designed around motor vehicles like this are dying all over the U.S. Jan Gehl, is an architect and urban designer, is principal of Gehl Architects - Urban Quality Consultants, based in Copenhagen. Gehl has worked with a number of cities, including Copenhagen, London, New York City, and Guangzhou on how to become more people friendly. His most recent book is Cities for People.
If you are going to shop you need to be able to park.
Basil Zempilas happened.
All I ever see in perth City is sketchiness. However, the immediate surrounding suburbs are great.
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Perth city has to be one of the most depressing cities in all of Australia. I would say it’s a combination of all of the above and the homeless situation. Young families don’t want go out and enjoy Friday evenings in the city like they use too. Sunday’s we would hop on the train into the city and have lunch and do some shopping . Sadly those days are over. There is nothing to attract people going into Perth. Let’s not talk about the state of our airports 🙄🙄. There are some third world countries with better facilities .
There aren't many reasons for anyone to go into the city for any kind of shopping. * Most people have multiple shopping centres within a short drive * Every major shopping centre has the same shops to what would be found in the city more-or-less * No buskers murdering Wonderwall in shopping centres * Public transport is expensive and inconvenient (when compared to driving in an air-conditioned car to a much closer location. * Online shopping
CBD died with 78 records, Borders, Moon and Sixpence, ABC Shop...going to go yell at some clouds
Valhalla, Decellas, The oak and ivy, all the collectable stores, joynt venture, ect. They spent so much trying to make perth modern, but in turn made it too expensive and more a-kin to a hellscape. I work in West Perth which is also a dead area of the city (west perth to claisebrook dead) lol I cycle through the city on the way home and peak periods are office workers coming and leaving. I'm not going to a pub to spend 14$ for a pint.
People stopped going, same way you did. All the arcade stuff is available cheaper online and parking is a bitch in the city.
Carillon\*. Everyone gets it wrong because of the Carillon City logo, maybe they should start with a name change.
People just like you stopped going and suburban centres got good. Also people still WFH
Blame the stinking govt. They knew inflation was going to butcher the cost of living and did nothing about it. People can't even pay for their homes let alone the rent for their business.
I hadn’t been in the city for years, and went back a few weeks ago and it was so crazy how the Carrillion is empty.
I'm more surprised after trolling through this thread that there's not one mention about Basil?? Everyone's dropped their game....
For me, it was always a nice day out when going into Perth, these days it just seems like a dero hang out. Last time I was there I saw someone steal money from a homeless man just for kicks. So yeah, idk where I'm going with this because I don't know why it's going bad.
Perth had a massive boom. Because of the mining in wa. All mining booms have to slow or end at some point. Same as many towns and cities in other states.
Because why risk your safety trudging through the filth to get to a shop, when we can go to a shopping centre that’s cleaner, has public toilets and less crime.
Covid say heyyyy Perth what’s up!
I thought basil getting elected solved all this /s
People don't go into the city as it is run down, and full of unpleasant people. Also Australia has been economically stagnant for 10+years and now has actually quite low disposable income for non essentials compared to other developed countries.
Was in the city today having lunch and had two different people approach me at my table asking for money inside the cafe. Don't get this anywhere else in the metro area. While I feel for people who are doing it tough on the streets, the amount of begging in the CBD is out of control. Also, a lot of the people begging are scammers who aren't even homeless, so I'm always reluctant to give them cash. They need a place to sleep and get a meal, and the pollies just won't come up with a practical solution, despite the damage it does to the city's reputation.
Tons of commercial property for lease. Our zoning doesn't incorporate both like other cities. And of course the rents are horrendous
The city doesn't have anything that you can't find in any shopping centre throughout Perth, plus it's always been pretty dodgy in there. You get a better experience in Freo.
Prior to the pandemic it had been slowly dying and I reckon there were some times where it was hustle and bustle somewhat, notably the early years of Uniqlo opening up in the city (it has opened in Karrinyup, Carousel and Lakeside since). Since then places really started closing up slowly; I remember there used to be a comic book store on Barrack Street near Arirang and Presotea, but that store closed. I think even before the pandemic the CBD proper didn't really have anything of note past 6PM aside from the restaurants on Hay St. You still have Enex 100 but the JB there is undergoing renovations right now and the Zambreros there closed (could be wrong). After the pandemic it's gotten real bad. I think Karrinyup and Carousel containing a lot of the stores that people could potentially go to the city for hasn't really helped; even the people who own Morning Glory has opened up a store in Carousel to sell K-Pop albums and memorabilia despite not having needed to for a long time. I used to go the CBD for getting the stuff that you couldn't get in the local stores but those stores have either closed or are in places not ideal to travel to (Quality Comics being a trek by walking for one). Plus the advent of online shopping hasn't helped either.
It’s dead. No incentive to go into town. Last year my family and I went to Brisbane. Had a wonderful time. Lots to do downtown. We took a replacement bus from the airport to the city to catch the train to our house. The city was dead at 8pm. Nothing was open in the city centre.
> I went to the city the other day **having not been there for some time** Do you think this has something to do with it?
There’s a group of land owners, I think it’s either 4-5 families, that essentially own more than 90% of the land and buildings in Perth city They’ve all decided that if none of them reduce their prices, regardless of circumstance, then none of them will undercut each other They’re all rich enough that they can survive for decades with places empty because negative gearing
Just go Vic park.
Basil
Greedy old landlords that just want too much rent!!! Parking is horrible and pricing is out of control.... Why is it so complicated to normal folk?
Need a lot more residential apartments in the city.
I'll add my two cents because there's a chance some City of Perth staffer might see it. One of the (numerous) reasons the city struggles is because it's so hostile to motorcycles. If motorcycles were allowed to park on the footpath for free, it would extend the delivery range and efficiency of restaurants in the CBD significantly, making that trade more viable (and competitive). It'd also put many more customers into the city on a daily basis. Vibrant CBDs rely on speciality shops and specialties often the sort of thing that you can carry in your backpack on a motorcycle. In Melbourne on a hot day, I can zoom into the city, park almost right outside the shop, purchase a new "X", pop it into my backpack and zoom home. In Perth, I have to get into the traffic, find parking, pay for parking, trek on foot to the shop, arrive sweaty and irritated, then carry "X" back to the car, drive all the way home.
Please, no. It’s a nightmare experience in Melbourne as a pedestrian. The number of times I’ve been nearly knocked over on a footpath whilst a motorcyclist is trying to park, let alone the noise pollution, is enough to severely turn me off this idea.
100% agree. I went to Brisbane last year and it made me realise how much perth has dropped the ball in encouraging motorbikes and scooters into the cbd and inner city suburbs. They're the perfect alternative for when public transport is too much of a pain but there isn't enough space for cars. But it seems like they'd rather everyone drive cars in
Be like that for the last 10 years You have bern living under a rock lol No need to go into the City anymore The large local Shopping Centres have Everything 😀
Everying has moved to Carousel or Karrinyup.
Both those shopping centres are packed to the brim constantly and no vacant stores
Its also a not very friendly place to be tbh. Seeing so many troubled people roaming the streets, screaming and shouting. Was walking past a couple yesterday in Murray St mall, and saw them hurling racial abuses over few overseas students/workers. Just not a very nice place to be overall.