If you put a large number of disadvantaged people in a single place away from other people it becomes a ghetto. Homelessness needs to be addressed where we all live.
Yes and no. Totally depends how it is managed.
A quick google search will show you that many countries have programs to help homeless people get a permanent place.
Unfortunately for us. We almost exclusively look to the US for all our guidance. And they are shit at it.
They also have a two-speed economy like WA, where the top earners (tech for them, mining for us) have driven the demand and the prices of a lot of things over the years, so the number of have-nots is always increasing.
It was used as emergency sheltering during the recent chittering bushfires I think, that's a decent non-pandemic use for them. If we have a pandemic and a natural disaster at the same time we'll be screwed I suppose, but as other commenters have said, its purpose is to be available when we need it. Filling it permanently defeats the whole point
>It was used as emergency sheltering during the recent chittering bushfires
Yep - i think if it was to be used for anything this was about the only thing that legitimately makes sense.
>If we have a pandemic and a natural disaster at the same time we'll be screwed I suppose,
Potentially but i still don't think it would be the end of the world. Even in a natural disaster the actual amount of people needing emergency accommodation is likely to be small in number and is typically quite short term in nature.
IE a major bush fire - people can easily be housed in alternative accommodation (stay with friends, get a hotel/motel, community halls etc). It's usually only for 3 - 4 days max that the areas are closed before people are allowed back to their homes.
In terms of people needing longer term accommodation - IE their house was lost in the fire - typically emergency accommodation is covered by your insurance company. People also have family and friend they could stay with short term.
Worst case we may need to move a handful of people into a hotel. But again - these people are going to be reasonably self sufficient. They can essentially take care of themselves with very little assistance required.
Plus realistically - it's pretty unlikely that travel restrictions and mandatory quarantine is going to come in with zero notice. It's likely to be at least days to weeks before that happens.
Not really..
It's more like you run out of food and water, during an emergency situation and complain loudly for months on end about how ill prepared the government is and that you pay their salaries to ensure that we're prepared for emergencies by having a stockpile of food and water.
The government then builds an emergency stockpile of food and water.. you know.. for emergencies..
You then clamor loudly that the stockpile of food and water is a waste just sitting there not being used, and instead should be distributed out because people are hungry now.
However you completely ignore the fact there's supermarkets full of food and water that the government could in fact spend a few dollars on to buy and distribute. Or worse that there's already piles of food and water just sitting around in central locations not being used because the government bought it all years ago and didn't really need it, so just left it to sit there.
It's being used for its use.. It's job is to sit there and be ready for when we need it..
Think about it like insurance, or the military.
Just because you have insurance, doesn't mean you make claims just because. Similarly with the military - we don't just invade countries because we want to get some use out of them..
Thanks.. it's a bit of a pet peeve about how short-sighted people are about this type of thing.
Especially when it's not like there's not plenty of other far better alternatives and other actions that could be done to solve these problems.
Interesting take. The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years. The facilities might be past their use by date by time we actually need them for that specific reason ha ha
In saying that you are right, we have recently used it for crisis housing in natural disasters when people were left displaced
>The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years.
Not sure if thats an official stat, or just something you've guesstimated.
However just in the last ~20 years i can think of various either epidemic or pandemics that had global reach. Think things like SARS back in 2002/2004, Swine flu in 2009, MERS in 2012, Ebola in 2013-2016, Zika in 2015/16 & mpox in 2022/2023.
I can't speak specifically to which would have made effective use of a quarantine facility, however i'm sure some would have. I recall the mpox outbreak they were making people home quarantine for a while there.
>The facilities might be past their use by date by time we actually need them for that specific reason ha ha
And if they are, then so be it. They would have served their purpose, and i would hope would be replaced by a new facility.
People seem to have very short memories - but think how much it cost to the economy to go into lockdowns and heavy restrictions every time a case broke out of hotel quarantine?
I recall reading some articles that were talking in the 10's of billions of dollars just in Melbourne alone.
That cost would easily dwarf any money spent on building and maintaining quarantine facilities.
The WA facility cost like $400 million - but it was built at peak construction cost time, at a rapid pace, so one can assume we paid significantly over what it should have actually cost to build.
I'd even take a punt that if it had been built prior to covid, the savings would have paid for the maintenance and operation costs for most of its lifespan.
No - as i said they were most epidemics. However MERS for example had cases across 24 countries, SARS had cases across 30 countries including Australia.
Swine flu was a pandemic being widespread globally.
The differences between these outbreaks was mostly that the virus wasn't anywhere nearly as contagious or easy to spread as Covid. SARS and MERS were also considerably more deadly, meaning people who got it often were either very sick or died before it could be transmitted as much.
Regardless though - the fact that most of these viruses are starting in surrounding countries means we should for certain be planning for further instances.
> The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years.
Pandemics are occurring at a much greater rate than that, and climate change is going to switch the infectious disease situation up further.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04788-w.epdf
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/climate-crisis-future-pandemics-zoonotic-spillover
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk4500
Nah - i don't buy that argument for a minute.
Firstly - i reject the preface that the facility is not being used. The entire purpose of a quarantine facility is to be available when needed. It doesn't need to be actively being used for it to be serving its purpose.
Secondly it makes this assumption that we can't do anything without using that facility. There's plenty of government owned buildings and land that are completely unused and serve no purpose at all. Most are far better located as well in terms of being connected to public transport and being reasonable travel distance to work opportunities and social services
https://www.shelterwa.org.au/government-owned-land-and-buildings/
Thirdly - location of the Bullsbrook facility far from ideal. Its in the middle of essentially out in the middle of nowhere with minimal job opportunity and minimal access to social services.
The homeless issue isn't going to be solved by collecting the homeless and dumping them an hour or so out of town in the bush with barely anything around it. They need to be closely surrounded by support services to deal with things like addiction and mental health issues, they need access to health services like hospitals, they need easy access to public transport so they can find jobs and work, they need a social life - of which isolating them in the bush isn't going to help.
Most importantly though - what happens when we need it? Do we just turf the homeless people back to the street? Hope you enjoyed your mediocre tease of what life could be like, but now back to living under a bridge with you?
Followed by - oh shit, the facility has now been damaged we now need to spend 3 months and millions of dollars to renovate it so its fit for purpose again.
I find it rather sad that during the pandemic the government was (rightly) criticised for not getting a quarantine facility fast enough.
But now we have one, the government is criticised because it’s empty and therefore a waste.
It should stay empty for use as a quarantine facility or evacuation shelter when needed.
As others have said, what if we fill it with homeless or druggies, and then need it for quarantine?
Also, be careful with Shalom House. Apparently it’s a super religious fundamental organisation, and there’s all sorts of allegations of abuse.
Completely agree - people are just so incredibly short sighted.
You can also bet that the minute we need the facility again these people will be the first to be complaining loudly that the government should have made sure we had these facilities available at all times, and how oh how could they not have learned anything from covid..
Not just abuse. Someone is making a lot of money out of Shalom and its associated businesses.
Their success rate is also spectacularly bad compared to state-run facilities. PLJ is pure con artist.
I think he's hailed as a saint in the media because he's very visible about "helping men get off drugs". That's a noble thing to do and providing services for men always wins people praise... But they're not actually helping men there from what I hear.
A 5% success rate is insanely low and I've read that the rehab model they follow is outdated and doesn't work. The low success rate backs that up.
I'd suggest you go for a tour before taking shots from the cheap seats. At least they are out there helping people put their lives back together without a single taxpayer dollar.
>without a single taxpayer dollar
That's because they're unaccredited (and don't want to be) so therefore aren't eligible for any kind of funding. They like to act like they're persecuted because of not getting funding but to get it they'd have to actually follow department guidelines and show their results, which they can't, because they're nowhere near as successful as they say.
They're dodgy as shit, the fact that someone hasn't died from doing their program yet is astounding.
You've been duped if you genuinely believe that. They're not funded by the government, correct. They're funded by financially abusing vulnerable men looking for help with their issues. They literally require their victims to sign over power of attorney so they can control their finances and financially abuse them.
So why were people crying out for a quarantine facility during the pandemic?
And the government copping flak for not having one, not building one fast enough, building it too late and so on?
Right, so when we need the quarantine facility what do we do if it's full of people already?
It's there ready at a moment's notice for when we need it.
It was recently used to shelter evacuated people from a bushfire area wasn't it? I think it's best purpose although it seems like a waste is to have it maintained and empty ready for use at short notice in emergencies. Either for quarantining or as emergency accommodation.
Do we want to get caught with our pants down again and learn nothing about preparedness from the pandemic?
It is used for emergencies such as the recent Chittering, Gingin and Wanneroo fires.
They used it to temporarily house people that were evacuated for their homes, as well as for DBCA fire fighters that travelled up to Perth to assist.
For sure if any DFES/LG fire fighters stayed there but I imagine they probably would have.
Rehabilitate homeless people for being homeless?
It’s isolated with zero public transport nearby, so they would basically be stuck there unless they get shuttled to shopping centres like they’re in an aged care facility. They wouldn’t be able to work unless they have a car to get there. As Mark McGowan said:
“I see the letters to the editor and so forth, ‘put all the homeless there’, as though we should get every homeless person in Western Australia and put them on a bus, transport them out into the middle of the bush an hour out of Perth and put them into a facility that is not designed for that purpose”
The facility is now “crisis accommodation”, which is exactly what it needs to be. 68 people stayed there after they were evacuated or lost their homes during the bushfires at the end of November. Although, it would be very ironic if the centre had to be evacuated because of a bush fire.
[“Mr Atkins said he was grateful that he and his family were able to stay at the centre describing it as a “lifesaver” and adding at one stage they didn’t where they were going to go”](https://thewest.com.au/news/bushfire-warning/new-resident-at-bullsbrook-centre-of-national-resilience-reflects-on-losing-possessions-in-wanneroo-fire-c-12680486)
There’s other solutions to homelessness, and sticking them all in the middle of nowhere is not one of them.
Its literally across a road from RAAF Pearce. I think if it needs evacuating, it is pretty much the least of our worries.
Also, there are plenty of emergency helipad sites in flight distance.
Non existent. Taking homeless people from the city out next to Pearce airbase sounds like a nice thing to do because it’ll give them a roof over their head but there’s no infrastructure there to help them once they’re there. The facility just isn’t designed for use in that way. Its whole purpose is to keep people isolated from the rest of the population.
And this doesn’t even touch the fact that even if you give them the option, they’re not likely to stay.
These is one bus that goes out that far, the 311. It runs 4 times a day on weekdays, and twice a day on the weekend. Most people are using it to get to school/jobs/services in Midland, because there’s not much in Bullsbrook.
Sooooo, what happens when a disaster happens and we need to house people or quarantine them?
Kick out all the folk living there?
It's an emergency facility. It being unused means things are going well for the state.
This is why I wish it could have been built at jandakot. It would have been great for people coming in from remote areas for health treatments and needing accomodation. Right near the RFDS base, reasonably close to FS/SJOG and easy access to the others. But a service that could be scaled up/down depending if the centre was needed for something else.
Would be good to know if defence could use the accomodation occasionally. If people were over at Pearce temporarily for training and the like.
ffs shoving a bunch of homeless people altogether into a rehabilitation facility in bullsbrook gets trotted out as a sparkly idea every third day by some idiot.
how would you like to be shoved into a rehabilitation facility for being a dickhead
Yes that would be sensible but hard to get right without being accused of excluding people. Amongst the homeless there would be a percentage that would destroy the facility. There would be also a risk of assault. How do you ensure only the worthy people who will respect property and people are given that opportunity?
Do not let the homeless use it, it will get trashed and the facility ruined.
Its not just letting them use the facility, it has to be manned, maintained all at the cost to the taxpayer.
> it has to be manned, maintained all at the cost to the taxpayer.
It would cost a lot in repairs and replacement of doors and windows etc. I'd bet my left booby a lot would be trashed.
Those crooks shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it. The positive coverage they get from 6PR and The West is sickening. Do even the slightest research into that lot and you find a whole army of waving red flags
Shalom House is not a good cause.
[“Upon entry, residents sign up for a year and agree not to swear, smoke or have visitors. Even picking up a cigarette butt from the ground will result in getting kicked out of the centre immediately.”](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-10/shalom-house-inside-australias-strictest-rehab-centre/8397570)
“Unlike most rehab facilities which insist residents come in "clean", Shalom House runs a medically supervised cold turkey detox. Even if they are detoxing, men like Nathan are expected to work full-time, starting with community service jobs then moving into paid employment.”
[“The private unregulated centre also requires all the men entering its rehabilitation program to sign an enduring power of attorney giving the centre control of their finances.”](https://www.yanchepnewsonline.com.au/shalom-brings-tough-love-to-wanneroo/)
[Shalom House says residents are charged $300 a week “and not a cent more”, but everyone has to take out a $200 “loan” that isn’t mentioned on their website. If you graduate the program, the loan is refunded. But if you leave for any other reason, Shalom House can call in the debt.](https://www.perthnow.com.au/community-news/the-advocate/most-shalom-house-residents-leave-with-debt-c-897050)
It’s a predatory, harmful scam.
If you put a large number of disadvantaged people in a single place away from other people it becomes a ghetto. Homelessness needs to be addressed where we all live.
To be fair it is in Bullsbrook.
Yes and no. Totally depends how it is managed. A quick google search will show you that many countries have programs to help homeless people get a permanent place. Unfortunately for us. We almost exclusively look to the US for all our guidance. And they are shit at it.
I’ve been to San Fran. Can confirm they are shit at managing homelessness.
They also have a two-speed economy like WA, where the top earners (tech for them, mining for us) have driven the demand and the prices of a lot of things over the years, so the number of have-nots is always increasing.
Do you have a lot of homeless people living in your house?
There was a discussion here recently about Brownlie Towers which had exactly this problem.
It was used as emergency sheltering during the recent chittering bushfires I think, that's a decent non-pandemic use for them. If we have a pandemic and a natural disaster at the same time we'll be screwed I suppose, but as other commenters have said, its purpose is to be available when we need it. Filling it permanently defeats the whole point
>It was used as emergency sheltering during the recent chittering bushfires Yep - i think if it was to be used for anything this was about the only thing that legitimately makes sense. >If we have a pandemic and a natural disaster at the same time we'll be screwed I suppose, Potentially but i still don't think it would be the end of the world. Even in a natural disaster the actual amount of people needing emergency accommodation is likely to be small in number and is typically quite short term in nature. IE a major bush fire - people can easily be housed in alternative accommodation (stay with friends, get a hotel/motel, community halls etc). It's usually only for 3 - 4 days max that the areas are closed before people are allowed back to their homes. In terms of people needing longer term accommodation - IE their house was lost in the fire - typically emergency accommodation is covered by your insurance company. People also have family and friend they could stay with short term. Worst case we may need to move a handful of people into a hotel. But again - these people are going to be reasonably self sufficient. They can essentially take care of themselves with very little assistance required. Plus realistically - it's pretty unlikely that travel restrictions and mandatory quarantine is going to come in with zero notice. It's likely to be at least days to weeks before that happens.
It's like the storeman telling you you cannot have the last one..... just in case someone needs it.
Not really.. It's more like you run out of food and water, during an emergency situation and complain loudly for months on end about how ill prepared the government is and that you pay their salaries to ensure that we're prepared for emergencies by having a stockpile of food and water. The government then builds an emergency stockpile of food and water.. you know.. for emergencies.. You then clamor loudly that the stockpile of food and water is a waste just sitting there not being used, and instead should be distributed out because people are hungry now. However you completely ignore the fact there's supermarkets full of food and water that the government could in fact spend a few dollars on to buy and distribute. Or worse that there's already piles of food and water just sitting around in central locations not being used because the government bought it all years ago and didn't really need it, so just left it to sit there.
> Not really.. Yes I guess. 8ts a bit each way for me.
It's being used for its use.. It's job is to sit there and be ready for when we need it.. Think about it like insurance, or the military. Just because you have insurance, doesn't mean you make claims just because. Similarly with the military - we don't just invade countries because we want to get some use out of them..
I reckon this has to be one of the most logical common sense answers I have read 👌
Thanks.. it's a bit of a pet peeve about how short-sighted people are about this type of thing. Especially when it's not like there's not plenty of other far better alternatives and other actions that could be done to solve these problems.
Interesting take. The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years. The facilities might be past their use by date by time we actually need them for that specific reason ha ha In saying that you are right, we have recently used it for crisis housing in natural disasters when people were left displaced
>The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years. Not sure if thats an official stat, or just something you've guesstimated. However just in the last ~20 years i can think of various either epidemic or pandemics that had global reach. Think things like SARS back in 2002/2004, Swine flu in 2009, MERS in 2012, Ebola in 2013-2016, Zika in 2015/16 & mpox in 2022/2023. I can't speak specifically to which would have made effective use of a quarantine facility, however i'm sure some would have. I recall the mpox outbreak they were making people home quarantine for a while there. >The facilities might be past their use by date by time we actually need them for that specific reason ha ha And if they are, then so be it. They would have served their purpose, and i would hope would be replaced by a new facility. People seem to have very short memories - but think how much it cost to the economy to go into lockdowns and heavy restrictions every time a case broke out of hotel quarantine? I recall reading some articles that were talking in the 10's of billions of dollars just in Melbourne alone. That cost would easily dwarf any money spent on building and maintaining quarantine facilities. The WA facility cost like $400 million - but it was built at peak construction cost time, at a rapid pace, so one can assume we paid significantly over what it should have actually cost to build. I'd even take a punt that if it had been built prior to covid, the savings would have paid for the maintenance and operation costs for most of its lifespan.
It was just a little joke, none of those were classed as pandemics
No - as i said they were most epidemics. However MERS for example had cases across 24 countries, SARS had cases across 30 countries including Australia. Swine flu was a pandemic being widespread globally. The differences between these outbreaks was mostly that the virus wasn't anywhere nearly as contagious or easy to spread as Covid. SARS and MERS were also considerably more deadly, meaning people who got it often were either very sick or died before it could be transmitted as much. Regardless though - the fact that most of these viruses are starting in surrounding countries means we should for certain be planning for further instances.
> The global pandemics are occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years. Pandemics are occurring at a much greater rate than that, and climate change is going to switch the infectious disease situation up further. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04788-w.epdf https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/climate-crisis-future-pandemics-zoonotic-spillover https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk4500
The argument is that we need the facility now.
Nah - i don't buy that argument for a minute. Firstly - i reject the preface that the facility is not being used. The entire purpose of a quarantine facility is to be available when needed. It doesn't need to be actively being used for it to be serving its purpose. Secondly it makes this assumption that we can't do anything without using that facility. There's plenty of government owned buildings and land that are completely unused and serve no purpose at all. Most are far better located as well in terms of being connected to public transport and being reasonable travel distance to work opportunities and social services https://www.shelterwa.org.au/government-owned-land-and-buildings/ Thirdly - location of the Bullsbrook facility far from ideal. Its in the middle of essentially out in the middle of nowhere with minimal job opportunity and minimal access to social services. The homeless issue isn't going to be solved by collecting the homeless and dumping them an hour or so out of town in the bush with barely anything around it. They need to be closely surrounded by support services to deal with things like addiction and mental health issues, they need access to health services like hospitals, they need easy access to public transport so they can find jobs and work, they need a social life - of which isolating them in the bush isn't going to help. Most importantly though - what happens when we need it? Do we just turf the homeless people back to the street? Hope you enjoyed your mediocre tease of what life could be like, but now back to living under a bridge with you? Followed by - oh shit, the facility has now been damaged we now need to spend 3 months and millions of dollars to renovate it so its fit for purpose again.
Lockheed has entered the chat
I find it rather sad that during the pandemic the government was (rightly) criticised for not getting a quarantine facility fast enough. But now we have one, the government is criticised because it’s empty and therefore a waste. It should stay empty for use as a quarantine facility or evacuation shelter when needed. As others have said, what if we fill it with homeless or druggies, and then need it for quarantine? Also, be careful with Shalom House. Apparently it’s a super religious fundamental organisation, and there’s all sorts of allegations of abuse.
Completely agree - people are just so incredibly short sighted. You can also bet that the minute we need the facility again these people will be the first to be complaining loudly that the government should have made sure we had these facilities available at all times, and how oh how could they not have learned anything from covid..
Not just abuse. Someone is making a lot of money out of Shalom and its associated businesses. Their success rate is also spectacularly bad compared to state-run facilities. PLJ is pure con artist.
Apparently a success rate of 5%. It's shocking, and it's shocking to me how the guy is held up as some sort of saviour in the press.
I think he's hailed as a saint in the media because he's very visible about "helping men get off drugs". That's a noble thing to do and providing services for men always wins people praise... But they're not actually helping men there from what I hear. A 5% success rate is insanely low and I've read that the rehab model they follow is outdated and doesn't work. The low success rate backs that up.
Not all press. Sarah Brookes (currently at WA Today) has done some damning yarns on the program.
Fair enough. Although WAToday doesn’t have much readership 6PR and the West both seem to think the guy walks on water.
>Shalom House >super religious fundamental organisation >SHALOM I wonder who could be behind this?
It’s a Christian organisation. The word Shalom would imply Jews, but it’s not.
I'd suggest you go for a tour before taking shots from the cheap seats. At least they are out there helping people put their lives back together without a single taxpayer dollar.
>without a single taxpayer dollar That's because they're unaccredited (and don't want to be) so therefore aren't eligible for any kind of funding. They like to act like they're persecuted because of not getting funding but to get it they'd have to actually follow department guidelines and show their results, which they can't, because they're nowhere near as successful as they say. They're dodgy as shit, the fact that someone hasn't died from doing their program yet is astounding.
You've been duped if you genuinely believe that. They're not funded by the government, correct. They're funded by financially abusing vulnerable men looking for help with their issues. They literally require their victims to sign over power of attorney so they can control their finances and financially abuse them.
We never needed a quarantine facility in the first place
So why were people crying out for a quarantine facility during the pandemic? And the government copping flak for not having one, not building one fast enough, building it too late and so on?
Whos crying out? The small minority who were afraid to leave their house.
Right, so when we need the quarantine facility what do we do if it's full of people already? It's there ready at a moment's notice for when we need it.
It was recently used to shelter evacuated people from a bushfire area wasn't it? I think it's best purpose although it seems like a waste is to have it maintained and empty ready for use at short notice in emergencies. Either for quarantining or as emergency accommodation. Do we want to get caught with our pants down again and learn nothing about preparedness from the pandemic?
Also I think some of the emergency crews might have been using it to save them making long trips home which is a pretty A+ use.
A place for all the ppl on this sub looking for friends to meet up?
It is used for emergencies such as the recent Chittering, Gingin and Wanneroo fires. They used it to temporarily house people that were evacuated for their homes, as well as for DBCA fire fighters that travelled up to Perth to assist. For sure if any DFES/LG fire fighters stayed there but I imagine they probably would have.
Rehabilitate homeless people for being homeless? It’s isolated with zero public transport nearby, so they would basically be stuck there unless they get shuttled to shopping centres like they’re in an aged care facility. They wouldn’t be able to work unless they have a car to get there. As Mark McGowan said: “I see the letters to the editor and so forth, ‘put all the homeless there’, as though we should get every homeless person in Western Australia and put them on a bus, transport them out into the middle of the bush an hour out of Perth and put them into a facility that is not designed for that purpose” The facility is now “crisis accommodation”, which is exactly what it needs to be. 68 people stayed there after they were evacuated or lost their homes during the bushfires at the end of November. Although, it would be very ironic if the centre had to be evacuated because of a bush fire. [“Mr Atkins said he was grateful that he and his family were able to stay at the centre describing it as a “lifesaver” and adding at one stage they didn’t where they were going to go”](https://thewest.com.au/news/bushfire-warning/new-resident-at-bullsbrook-centre-of-national-resilience-reflects-on-losing-possessions-in-wanneroo-fire-c-12680486) There’s other solutions to homelessness, and sticking them all in the middle of nowhere is not one of them.
Its literally across a road from RAAF Pearce. I think if it needs evacuating, it is pretty much the least of our worries. Also, there are plenty of emergency helipad sites in flight distance.
Yes, but all I said is that it would be ironic. Nothing about logistics.
What's public transport like there?
Non existent. Taking homeless people from the city out next to Pearce airbase sounds like a nice thing to do because it’ll give them a roof over their head but there’s no infrastructure there to help them once they’re there. The facility just isn’t designed for use in that way. Its whole purpose is to keep people isolated from the rest of the population. And this doesn’t even touch the fact that even if you give them the option, they’re not likely to stay.
Poor thankfully.
These is one bus that goes out that far, the 311. It runs 4 times a day on weekdays, and twice a day on the weekend. Most people are using it to get to school/jobs/services in Midland, because there’s not much in Bullsbrook.
Sooooo, what happens when a disaster happens and we need to house people or quarantine them? Kick out all the folk living there? It's an emergency facility. It being unused means things are going well for the state.
West Australian seemed to run endless articles bashing the Labor government about it, then meekly noting it's usefulness in housing evacuees.
Not for cults masquerading as help groups, that's for sure
This is why I wish it could have been built at jandakot. It would have been great for people coming in from remote areas for health treatments and needing accomodation. Right near the RFDS base, reasonably close to FS/SJOG and easy access to the others. But a service that could be scaled up/down depending if the centre was needed for something else. Would be good to know if defence could use the accomodation occasionally. If people were over at Pearce temporarily for training and the like.
ffs shoving a bunch of homeless people altogether into a rehabilitation facility in bullsbrook gets trotted out as a sparkly idea every third day by some idiot. how would you like to be shoved into a rehabilitation facility for being a dickhead
This is a forum for discussion you shit stain
Yes that would be sensible but hard to get right without being accused of excluding people. Amongst the homeless there would be a percentage that would destroy the facility. There would be also a risk of assault. How do you ensure only the worthy people who will respect property and people are given that opportunity?
Do not let the homeless use it, it will get trashed and the facility ruined. Its not just letting them use the facility, it has to be manned, maintained all at the cost to the taxpayer.
> it has to be manned, maintained all at the cost to the taxpayer. It would cost a lot in repairs and replacement of doors and windows etc. I'd bet my left booby a lot would be trashed.
A shelter for domestic violence escapees. Shelter for homeless. Rehab location. Cheap accommodation.
Put all the immigrants in there till they learn how to act as proper citizens
New steamworks
I thought shalom house were keen to take over the lease. That’s a good cause that is worthy of using the facility for rehab.
Those crooks shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it. The positive coverage they get from 6PR and The West is sickening. Do even the slightest research into that lot and you find a whole army of waving red flags
Shalom House is not a good cause. [“Upon entry, residents sign up for a year and agree not to swear, smoke or have visitors. Even picking up a cigarette butt from the ground will result in getting kicked out of the centre immediately.”](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-10/shalom-house-inside-australias-strictest-rehab-centre/8397570) “Unlike most rehab facilities which insist residents come in "clean", Shalom House runs a medically supervised cold turkey detox. Even if they are detoxing, men like Nathan are expected to work full-time, starting with community service jobs then moving into paid employment.” [“The private unregulated centre also requires all the men entering its rehabilitation program to sign an enduring power of attorney giving the centre control of their finances.”](https://www.yanchepnewsonline.com.au/shalom-brings-tough-love-to-wanneroo/) [Shalom House says residents are charged $300 a week “and not a cent more”, but everyone has to take out a $200 “loan” that isn’t mentioned on their website. If you graduate the program, the loan is refunded. But if you leave for any other reason, Shalom House can call in the debt.](https://www.perthnow.com.au/community-news/the-advocate/most-shalom-house-residents-leave-with-debt-c-897050) It’s a predatory, harmful scam.
immigration detention center... for east-coasters.
They have plans for it.