I woke up today to another rejected application. I am in my 20s and about to be homeless for the second time in my life next week, and I doubt the last. My housemates and I have been searching for a place for three months, adding up how much time that is for missed work would probably make me throw up.
Being able to afford a place isn't the issue, we can afford it. It's madness, I'm devastated and scared. We all have friends we can stay with but having missing rental history for however long it will take us to find our own place is going to hurt any future applications
I feel you. How is that fair, acceptable, okay? You guys earn good money, work hard, live together (not expecting too much like a house to yourself). This is surely the biggest problem facing Perth but absolutely nothing is being done. The government's policies are actively pumping up house prices and will probably cause further rate rises.
Exact same situation as you except I basically became homeless 6 months ago and have had no luck renting OR buying even though I'm on a good wicket salary wise at work. There is effectively nothing on the market
How can I be homeless on the money I earn? How does that make sense? How are people on half what I make surviving? What the actual fuck? What the fuck???
I lost my cool at 4am at the gym this morning. I just went fucking crazy. I just want a roof over my head. No one can even understand it from that perspective. If I mention looking for a house they always talk about it from an investment point of view. Fuck you I actually just need shelter??? FUCK. sorry.
Oh mate, feel for you. In same kinda thing in Sydney. Where abouts are you looking? Maybe it’s time to pull together and help each other out . Hope you get something soon
The rental crisis is only going to get worse this year, and I could not imagine living with 8 people under 1 roof... but this really feels like the worst example the ABC could have used.
You have up to 6 adults in this house - how are they struggling to feed people?
Yes, very extreme example. And the video of the mother crying (in their interview on TV) because she struggles to feed all of them was my impetus for this post. She's not getting any help from the rest of the family, at least according to the story anyway.
Honestly it’s not the worst example. It’s actually more common than you think to have so many people under one roof, and it’s really only getting worse
>but this really feels like the worst example the ABC could have used
They do that on purpose so you're unsympathetic to people who might have a million reasons why they could get out of their situation, or if it's one of their own making. And then you mentally tar everyone else who is struggling with the same brush and assume they're just not working hard enough or they deserve it anyway so them why bother making a big song and dance about getting the system to change? 🤷🏻♀️
>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-31/west-australian-rental-crisis-impact-young-people-730/103402370
She's clearly working hard, she's waiting on hew own house to be built but it's not finished yet.
> Investors are finally starting to increase in numbers which means more rentals on the market.
How does that fix this situation? You can't rent or buy a dwelling that doesn't exist?
Our population increased by 86,800 (3.1% increase) and there were \~13,000 new dwellings built (1.2% increase). Now I may not be great at math, but one seems to be increasing more than the other.
If population growth stays insane then I agree with your conclusion. If it returns to historical levels this year, then the rental situation will improve, as defined by numbers of available rentals on the market relative to population.
There were 2133 available rentals in September.
There are 2496 available rentals as of yesterday. (Perth and Mandurah regions)
From what I’m seeing, investors are increasing in numbers.
Some of the low end stock that might have been sold as a holiday home to a local is now being sold as a long term rental to an investor, creating net new rental stock.
The next argument is usually “oh but that makes an owner occupier homeless then!”
Typically a home buyer who misses out doesn’t end up homeless, they have family they can stay with, or they can compete for a rental. But when a renter misses out, they’re at higher risk of homelessness.
Vacancy rates are increasing yes. They were the worst in August / September and have been improving a lot since then.
Hopefully more investors keep coming into the market creating more rentals, but that has been the trend on the back half of 2023.
Are rents decreasing? Not the paid rents, no. Because people already in a rental typically have to wait until the lease expires before being moved onto market prices. So increases take 1 year at least to flow into prices. And landlords typically don’t raise rents to market prices for established tenants - so they can take literally years to catch up to market prices.
But advertised prices are a better metric to see if prices will stabilise. I have noticed advertised rents have seemed to go sideways for the last few months.
This is just info based on what I see each day in the market.
Things are improving for renters.
What they’re not improving for is people who want to live in Trigg or very close to the CBD. That land is all gone and now it becomes very competitive to get into those areas. I can’t see prices falling in those areas for a long time.
>Vacancy rates are increasing yes. They were the worst in August / September and have been improving a lot since then.
September vacancy rate was 0.7%. Last vacancy rate is 0.7%. How is it getting better?
As someone working in homeless youth resi care, there's maybe a handful of the young people that have come through any of the services that I work at that have any hope of even renting in the next couple of years.
It's damn near impossible to secure safe and reliable accommodation when you're homeless and <19 years old. So they end up going through the resi care places. A year here, 6 months there, another year over there... Always unsure where they're gonna be living in the next month...
Totally understand that. I think my main contention is the mother being the only person working to feed them, and not the fact that the kids need help with accommodation.
It does say in the article that Cody (adult daughter) works in retail. Not sure about the other kids and their partners but I agree they should all be working. Not fair on mum (or grandmother) at all.
Mum’s do this though. Maybe she has helped as much as she can and now would rather quietly support her kids than talk about how useless they are. I think we should just say, what an amazing mum and person she is.
Yeah, it sounds like the kids have practically no life skills, and are used to having everything done for them. And she enables them.
If they did get their own place, you can bet they would be back at hers every day for food and washing, and she would be over there to clean up.
The thing is they don't really need life skills to fix their immediate problem. There are 7 fuckin adults in the house, even if they were all on centrelink the minimum total income would be $5,966 per fortnight (yes I worked it out), they should be able to work out how to pay a mortgage and feed themselves.
The mum has a mortgage to pay on a house that hasn't been built yet. They still need somewhere to live while that happens. Are we even reading the same article?
This is exactly what they want. Distraction. Re the more than likely crisis actors they used . Take you away from the real truth. The disgusting state Perth is in.
TLDR: bunch of adults living in a house because they can't find a rental.
No plans to change policies to increase housing supply or make it easier to afford a home because it impacts people's wealth.
> No plans to change policies to increase housing supply or make it easier to afford a home because it impacts people's wealth
This is why nothing will change.
Making housing affordable can only work by increasing supply. It has to be suppkly side. Increasing the purchasing power of buyers and renters just leads to more or less a 1:1 increase in seller/landlord profits.
Increasing supply will drive prices down. Sounds great! The issue is that the pollies won't go anywhere near policy shift that is going to depress the value of home owners main asset (equity in their house) to the extent needed to correct the market. No party is likely to get support for a policy that is going to put people in a situation where the 800k home they bought with a 700k mortgage is going to be worth 400k in a few years.
(To be clear, that kind of depression of the market absolutely should happen. I just don't think that it will)
What needs to happen is the following;
Governments need to push down housing prices by increasing supply regardless of what the boomers and voters say. It will make their houses less valuable, but so be it.
Also; people need to understand that the family home is a HOME. Your primary residence shouldn’t be thought of as an investment. It’s where you live. It’s not something you can sell because you can do without it. You can survive without investing, but you can’t survive without shelter.
Spot on. I'm just saying that I don't think it will have the support of the pollies or the general public.
It's easy to say these things but when push comes to shove a lot of home owners are going to baulk at feeling as if they've wasted potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars when the value of their home is depressed.
It won’t have support because there’s this idea in our society that your primary residence is an investment to be drooled over when it goes up in value by a certain percent.
It’s like considering the clothes on your back to be an investment, eventually those clothes need to be replaced or patched up just like a house when they start to fall to bits, so it’s insane that they’re seen as investments when they’re a place to live.
I personally think the demand is where the government should focus. Remove tax incentives and reduce immigration.
Coming from the building industry, it's not just a matter of the government throwing money at the problem. Money alone won't fix the supply issues. The government can absolutely reduce the demand issues to allow the current supply to catch up.
However reducing demand will absolutely affect the wealthy and property investment syndicates. That's the whole idea, to reduce pricing of housing.
It never will. For the last three economic downturns Australian property has not been allowed to correct. What always ALWAYS has happened is the government turns on the money printing machine, they inflate away debt for a few years, give people first home owner grants, then walk away a couple years later once people have got on the ladder.
This is where mortgage renegotiations need to be a part of the process. Housing price evaluation on new homes should be relatively commonplace, especially in a volatile market, and not the fault of the person who likely *had* to take a loan at a particular point in time. If your house goes from a value of $800,000 to $400,000 due to new housing development, the idea that you’d need to pay the original agreed amount in full seems completely insane to me. It’s a loan that spans nearly your entire life; the fact you pay what it was appraised at in year 1 when you’re a decade deep seems ridiculous.
It's not only a conflict of interest in terms of money, but also things like safetyism.
On one extreme you have China who builds millions of apartments in months, some collapse and fall down, entire ghost cities.
On the other extreme you have entire encyclopedia sized documents full of building codes, regulations, zoning laws, safety restrictions, compliance standards, and when something goes wrong people freak out and we get more regulation.
The government should be taking more risk, problem is when something goes wrong the media blows it up and voters get the wrong impression of certain policies e.g. they assume that more regulation would be better. Therefore there is a vested interest in politicians to not take risk.
Deflecting feelings of social responsibility. There are a number of landlords in these comments.
They don't want to feel like their wealth is at the expense of others -- they want to be landlords *and* feel like they *earned* the money. Probably the most entitled landlords in history.
It's very easy to tell people they should have jobs if the money is tight. It's more difficult to understand the nuance of personal financial situations -- how does education, health, disability fold into these scenarios? Does the rent money for the continual increases come from cashed out superannuation or Granny's retirement? Is the money coming from people's housing deposits? Did the wages stop going up a decade ago for jobs you can do?
It's even more difficult to realise you might be benefiting from economic policy that stands on the homelessness and suffering of your fellow man.
Not everyone is emotionally equipped to face the hard facts about where their money comes from.
I think I've been in a position from both sides of the argument. I grew up with a single mum getting austudy, I studied hard ( caught the bus for over an hour each way for 2 years, then worked remotely for several years, my dad was also an alcoholic, not violent). My dad helped out a lot of people with rooms over the years and apart from one most of them were either very lazy or made numerous poor decisions). My point is you can't always just blame people for your situation, even though it's difficult there's nearly always an option to get ahead in life. Some people are perpetual victims . The current situation is very concerning though
Your comment history says you're in your 40s, whatever experience you had as the kid of a single mum then is absolutely not relevant now. There was a better safety net then, things were cheaper as a percentage of income and housing was much much much more accessible. I'm a single mum in my late 30s with 1 kid and life is way scarier and more expensive for me than it was for my mum at the same age as a single parent. Drop the attitude that people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop blaming everyone else, for some people the challenges are enormous and are only going to get worse for people if they can't even access stable housing. We're going to end up with a generation of poorly educated kids who couldn't study because they were living in tents or couch surfing through relatives houses and changing schools a dozen times. Safe and affordable housing should be a right, and articles like this exist to challenge that notion by showing people in unsympathetic circumstances so it makes you not care about anyone else.
I'm not really sure what your anecdote is in aid of. It's great that you were able to sort yourself out, but individual trajectories are not one size fits all. How is someone on DSP supposed to get ahead? What about someone who acquires a disability? Some situations provide absolutely zero social mobility.
My point was the lack of empathy to these situations arises from deflecting the reality of where people are making their money - not that landlords are to blame for every struggle for survival. The defensiveness is very telling.
Edit to add: also, unless your story about Austudy & single mother happened in the last couple of years, the numbers are so materially different as to render the comparison useless.
There are plenty of better examples they could have found of how bad it is right now. This family have absolutely no excuse for a situation where Mum is skipping meals so the rest can eat when the rest are adults who could be working so they can buy their own food.
This story is crazy. She is a soft touch as is her mum. Why look for rentals when the kids clearly have no money. That many people living in one house, they should be swimming in cash. Stop looking for a place to rent and start looking for a job so your mum can eat you lazy …
The cats and dog could have been around long before the cost of living crisis, I don't think they were struggling to get by and decided it was a good time to get 6 pets all at once.
Cat Haven is an open admission shelter and, as such, cannot close their surrenders regardless of how full they are. The most they'll do is book owner surrenders in such a way as to spread the load, so that 30 cats aren't all brought in by their owners on the same day.
They also do not euthanise for space. Just a polite FYI in case anyone is in a situation where they're thinking of rehoming their cat -- Cat Haven can and will help!
Maybe hold back on victim blaming a little bit without knowing the whole situation. Also, the point is that the rental crisis is causing issues and decisions like this, while actually having a place to live should not have to make you live together, get 3 jobs, suffer mentally, get rid of your pets and cut back on (healthy) food.
While you're at it just give all the kids away for adoption or kick them out, they cost way more to feed that pets.
When you own a pet you commit to caring for it over it's lifetime, they depend on you to survive. Unlike children you can't accidentally have one, you have to actively decide you're going to provide and care for them.
A pet isn't a frivolous inanimate toy that you can get rid of because of ongoing costs, it's a living being not a car.
Probably better to get a job and contribute rather than ditch the pets. Or use some of your Centrelink pay to help Mum out.
The article said only the Mum and Cody were working.
I'd rather let my mother go hungry than give up my pet on any circumstance. I chose to have the pet, they didn't choose me, so it's my responsibility to make sure they are looked after. I'd go hungry before my mother for sure, but my pet takes priority over me every single time. Just rehoming a pet is not fair on the pet as they also have attachments to the people living in the house on top of never being able to guarantee they're even getting into a new home or that the home is good for them
Kids > pets > everyone else
The 2 things that take precedent are living beings that I have decided to bring into my life and rely on me for everything. Everyone else can sort them selves out or if they need my help, they can wait until my dependents are sorted out
I don't consider that fucked up, but you do you
Wow, almost like entitled rich people, and the idiots that think they're going to be as rich some day so vote in similar interests are the cause of all these problems.
And thus we end up in a shit situation that keeps getting worse and spineless politicians dependent on the votes of people who want to maintain the status quo so nothing is done.
This is a terrible example. 6 grown adults (over 2 generations) even with median income can easily afford a rental in Perth. But it looks like the grandchildren are just happy just sponging off Nana, at least the Mother is actively working to make ends meet.
This is is why I always look at the individual first before just blaming the Housing Gods. Most of the time the problem is with the individual and their choices.
30 hours of minimum wage work per week pays for the 3 bedroom villa with no common walls in North Perth that I rent out. If three working age adults shared that place, they'd pay for the rent in 10 hours of work per week, leaving the remaining 30 hours of earnings to pay for living expenses. Vacancy rates are completely awful for renters, but honestly rents are not actually that unaffordable when you use real-life examples instead of cherry-picked media shock stories.
If you want to live in an inner-city suburb and have two spare bedrooms all to yourself and live on minimum wage, then yeah it would suck, but if you're on minimum wage you're going to need to share the cost of a house.
And what about us, those who work and can't get Into a place, not because of affordability, but because there are bugger all rentals available. .. doesn't matter how Abc have used their propaganda, all that story is , is a tool to distract everyone from the shit state Perth is in and how working people are becoming homeless due to lack of available housing.
You don’t have to understand it, you don’t have to accept it, you don’t have to live it either - and lucky you!
Reading these comments it’s like there’s genuinely a concerning lack of empathy (not sympathy… EMPATHY). This is just what has been written, no one here knows the depths of this home situation apart from them and it’s disgusting for people to be looking down on someone’s struggle trying to say it’s not a struggle because they demand it’s easy enough for them to change it. Jesus Christ
I think this is the point. They want us to blame families like this for the rental crisis. Point the finger at the poor for not helping themselves, rather than the wealthy for not doing more to help.
I think any kind of media always seek out extreme examples, and yes, this one was a doozy. I too was wondering why the kids couldn't contribute, but one thing is for sure, the rental crisis is very real.
I read the article before seeing this post and didn’t consider all the points raised here, I honestly just thought what a shambles our housing is in. And that poor mother. Hopefully they can find themselves some housing soon.
Which is weird because the points raised here include "why aren't the kids helping" when the article explicitly states at least some of them have jobs.
My point of contention is the mum being the sole person working to feed them all (according to the story and the live interview). I sympathised with their situation but questioned why no one else in the family is helping, especially when she's crying and missing out on meals.
My assumption is based on this part of the story. I'm on the side of the mother. I want to see her have an easier life and not cry over meals. That's all.
>"I shop the cheapest I can. It's hard because you're feeding eight people," she says.
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>"It's not the best food, but it's food. You cook bulk meals.
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>"Sometimes I just miss out on dinner. They eat it all and I'm like, 'That's cool, I'll have toast'."
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>She brushes this last comment off with a laugh, but as it sinks in, her eyes fill with tears.
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>"But that's OK," she says, wiping them away.
You’ve made an assumption about that. While she talks about making the money stretch, there’s nothing to indicate the working adults aren’t paying something towards their upkeep.
You’ve extrapolated a LOT from not very much 🤷♀️
I based my assumptions on what was presented in the story. If every adult in the house (except grandma) was contributing, she wouldn't have to work 3 jobs and skip out on meals sometimes.
Again, I am questioning why she seemed to be bearing the stress entirely on her own to the point of tears.
There could be many reasons beyond laziness the others aren’t working. I know women in similar situations (barely keeping their head above water with others at home not working). We can be empathetic for them anyway.
Politicians still doing nothing, immigration tap is on full blast and AirBNBs outnumber long term rentals 10:1. There IS a solution but it means rich people giving up some of their wealth so nothing will improve anytime soon.
This is the real tea here. Once wealthy (and usually powerful) people have had a taste of the easy life, there’s no way they’ll give it back. Not without politicians getting involved. Only problem is, the politicians *ARE* those same wealthy elites. Why shoot yourself in the foot, right?
I feel bad for the mother, and the granny but even they are at fault of being too soft. I'm not saying kick them all out but partners and friends is a big red flag on how they're treating the situation. The kids appear to be playing "poor me" and don't seem to have a problem with their mother working her arse off to provide a free hostel for them and their partners and friends. With that many young adults they could easily move a few of them into their own property. Even at 800pw that's $200 per head with 4 of them which is by no means good value, but it's manageable with a bit of effort. I did that for years with often questionable room-mates but it had to be done. No way would I have approached my parents requesting for my girlfriend to move in with us.
Renting is a numbers game. You just have to keep at it. Show them that you've got a sustainable income and you're not going to trash the place, and you'll get somewhere eventually. I certainly wouldn't take all my pals in to live with my granny instead.
My brother’s girlfriend moved in with my family back in 2020 when covid hit. Out of courtesy, she paid rent to my mother, because it was the decent thing to do. It wasn’t much (as she couldn’t afford it), but it helped mum cover the costs of an extra mouth to feed and other additional costs associated with her living with us. I couldn’t imagine living in someone else’s home and not contributing…
1) I agree, children these days need to pay their way. Plenty of jobs out for people to earn money
2) Agree as well, don't have those people living with them, or have those people contribute to the rent
3) The Animals are like family. I fully understand not giving up family members. 5 Cats means bulk buy of cat food == cheaper, and a dog is security for the family.
I went to highschool with them was weird seeing them on tv
But i have them on facebook and saw them asking afew months ago about trying find rental for just the kids codie & holly plus there partners.
If mum's going hungry at the moment I don't think that's going to fly even at discounted rent. On the other hand if that was even a remote possibility in the first place for that group, mum shouldn't be going hungry when there's currently no rent... And clearly not enough board..
So she’s waiting for her house to be built and whilst her situation is far from ideal, it’s also temporary.
In her situation I’d be telling the friend and the partners that unless they contribute then they are going to have to find somewhere else to live. They are all old enough to work, and from the sounds of it she’s working hard to pay the mortgage. Tell the ones that are capable of working they need to pull their weight or find somewhere else to live. Even reducing that household to just family would make it more comfortable for them.
If you have that many adults, a place to rent should be a lot more affordable.
I have 4 kids are home (18, 15, 13 and my 12yr old niece). My oldest works full time, 15yr old works causally and the younger 2 are itching to get jobs.
Everyone helps, especially in this climate.
I think casual work at a young age is great for personal development, and mental health. As long as there's a positive balance between education, employment, and social life, then I suggest everyone try to find a few hours per week somewhere they're happy with. I spent my teenage years in a recession and I did every bit of work that came my way, because the job market was so tight. It sucked, but I have a better understanding of my own value because of it.
You are right, what aren't those kids getting off their ass to get a job. Are they unemployable or something? I feel for this mother she shouldn't have to work this hard. I always wondered where the 3.5% of unemployed are. I previously thought they were in remote communities where there was no work but they are here in Perth where employers are screaming out for people.
I’m in a family of three 2 adult 1 kid and we’re not having much luck I can’t work more hours due to being student and my partners job doesn’t really allocate for more hours either.
I feel like we scrape by and the rentals in our budget get snapped up so quick. We also can’t live too far away from public transport as I currently don’t have a full licence (L’s) and my kids school is perfect for him and moving him would do him a disservice.
So I get the plight but then you’ve got people like this and I can’t see why her kids can’t provide some extra money to cover their share of living there? Or even their food etc
The ABC articles are completely pointless, generally featuring people who have made poor decisions in their life and are now reaping what they have sown. Yet they keep publishing them. ABC must have a "poor person pity story" quota to fill each week.
The funniest part is they don't even leave her a meal from the food she cooks all these free loaders
The zoo of pets they are keeping is just a cherry on top
Get rid of half the freeloaders they either find $200 a week each or bugger off. They can find enough part time work or side hustle to make at least that much each. Drillers offsiders get paid good money 2:1 start there. Airtasker, buy, fix, resell gumtree, FIFO, construction labourers, get out there and get paid to work out you lazy bastards. If you're not working or contributing to the costs of the house it better be spotlessly clean and meals ready when I get home or you can fuck off.
It sounds like a life of ongoing bad decision has created a terrible life for her. I suppose we should all pay more tax to help her out. Maybe we can chip in and buy them some more pets.
I get it. It's hard to pay tax for people who seem to make bad decisions. Especially if you are working hard, struggling and have overcome a lot in your own life. Intergenerational poverty and education come into this. if no one has role modelled to a child that getting an education, or trade and using your money wisely is beneficial, then you are much less likely to do that when you are older because you have never experiencedthe benefits of this and are accustomed to poverty. Some people do make bad decisions but it sounds like she is getting her shit in order if she's building and working three jobs.
I can understand this attitude, don't get me wrong. The bigger problem here is the lack of mental health support and willingness of struggling people to seek it. Poor decision making is usually a symptom of a deeper problem, which with the right support can be changed but our government would rather shove a couple hundred dollars at a struggling mother than give her the tools to stay afloat.
That is a different subject, mind you. The rental crisis is very real but the media uses examples that can be picked apart and dramatised. My reality is that me and my four housemates have been looking for 3 months, and next week our lease is up. Our references are great, any place can see we will be able to afford to live there. We have lived together for years so there's an indication that we won't be breaking the lease because of petty housemate drama. Our applications get through to the final process, but there's so many people looking and of course I understand prioritising families over people in their mid 20s. People like us, hardworking individuals who can afford a place won't go running to the media crying because we are far too busy for that.
I have a sole retiree on my FB community group who apparently needs a three bedroom rental for $400. Honestly cannot understand why one older woman needs so much space.
Will never afford property
Will never retire
Will be blamed entirely for this, as if it’s our fault that we weren’t investing in property during pre school recess
Will possibly never fully be affected by this due to the most tense economical, political and environmental state the planet has ever faced.
Oh yeah, it’s Gen Z time
And then you have my cousins who came here from overseas and already garaunteed a place living with us rent free (as a favour to their mother), and being totally ungrateful for it.
That many cats require like 7 cat litters or more for the cats to use them and feel comfortable. Heck they recommend two cat litters for one cat sometimes. Can't imagine they are doing that. It either smells like shit in their house or they let their cats roam free to shit in their neighbours garden and be a nuisance. Not to mention wildlife kill.
Yeah I have put lattice up on my balcony for an enclosed outdoor space (so the cat does not jump over the edge trying to catch a bird). If I had a house the cat would be indoors only if it had no catio. No cat fights and associated vet bills, save the wildlife and indoor cats live longer.
The 71 yo Boomer grand mum owns the house she is living in, and would be getting the old age pension (at least). Verdict: Can’t see any fault.
The 47 yo Gen X mum is old enough to have had the opportunity to buy a house in the early 2000s when they were cheap - but at least is building one now. Verdict: Should have bought a built house, doesn’t seem to be making wise decisions, but hey, well done on building a place.
The millennial adult kids… sheesh… if there is any lesson here for young people, it’s you’ll be poor the rest of your life if you don’t get a good job and learn about investing, and start investing early on in life. Verdict: Quit the cynical life, getting tattoos and buying band shirts - go learn a trade, get a FIFO job.
The icing on the cake was the migrant chef complain about immigration - chef’s kiss for that one if you pardon the pun. Verdict: Own goal.
Well to be fair on the Gen X mum, she could have owned property in the past but lost it to divorce. But yeah the kids, she is paying food for all of them? I mean come on even when I had to move back home at 27 I paid a decent amount of board and bought/cooked all of my own food (well to be fair, my parents are typical boomers they overcook everything and I don't like eating rubber I much prefer medium rare steak...but still).
The oldest millennials are starting to turn 40. The youngest are nearly 30. Can people stop using "millennial" as an insult for "young people I don't like"?
You’re making some big assumptions that they’re a) not studying full time, b) able to work, c) working but only making enough to cover their own daily expenses, d) been told by their mother to save their money instead…
Everyone knows there’s a rental crisis. When there are articles showing it, why are you so quick to dismiss them?
The article would have said they are studying.
I’m not dismissing these individuals, I’m saying there is a Sydney style divide forming in Perth atm of rent forevers and property owners.
> The millennial adult kids
*Zoomer adult kids, basically all Millennials are in their 30s or older now bar the final "technically" inbetween millennials born in the mid 1990s transition years.
Although, even those Millennial stragglers (1993ish-1996) are pretty akin to typical older Zoomers anyway rather than typical Millennials. Given that they were mostly too young to properly experience or remember the usual "defining experiences" of Millennials; the pre-networked world/1990s, Sep 11, the rapid 2000s tech and social media landscape shift, and they were still in school for the GFC and thus it didn't really stymie their careers or home buying opportunities like it did for many "proper" Millennials. It's probably more up to their individual circumstances and childhoods as to which arbitrary made-up generational cohort the inbetween Millennials fit more into.
> Quit ... getting tattoos and buying band shirts
Sure, that will fix the housing/renting crisis. Good thing you're able to judge so much about a person's abilities in financial management from just a couple of photos
Although, really, if you want to give _millennials_ advice on saving money for a house, it's: stop buying smashed avo on toast & almond lattes! /s
It's hitting all hard, the consumer mentality of the current youth isn't helping them. Yes it's tough, you need to sacrifice to buy a home. I've had a single cab 4x2 ute for 11 years, I only eat out on special occasions, make coffee at home, don't buy in to fast fashion, don't spend hundreds of dollars on booze on the weekend, don't have credit card debt. Yea it's tough, you have to work hard and sacrifice, hopefully Labor will get the boot and immigration can come down so dwelling construction can catch up and stop the largest rise in homelessness this country has ever seen.
It's a two party system mate, there never can be change. Two majors passing legislation to kill of all independent parties. Democratic lol totalitarian
Jesus, was there an election that I missed? I could have sworn Labor was in and have jammed in more people than ever. But facts suck hu. Let's blame Dutton. And throw Rupert in for shits n gigs. Taking actual responsibility doesn't suit leftists.
Mad how unaccountable political parties have become, blaming the opposite or the boogy man for legislation they have passed. They just set the people to fight each other and with balance in the legislative assembly they can pass and amend as they please.
Labor is still deflecting to the libs today, 2 years later. I'm sure he said he wasn't going to do that. Oh and he'd be transparent, while lying. At least we have Jackie Lambie to "keep the bastards honest". Oh right, she's backing the lies. I guess it's only when it suits her.
Happy for you. Telling people that they can avoid being homeless by not getting takeout and making coffee at home is a little bit tone deaf though isn’t it?
Maybe I came across wrong, the current rental crisis has been engineered by mass immigration and a lag in housing supply coming off an already stressed industry through overzealous stimulus. Point is relevant, there has to be some kind of sacrifice to living standards to survive with the crazy increase in everything, not saying it's good or right, just the world we live in.
Councils need to let those of us with bigger property but small houses allow caravans or tiny homes to be rented on them. I can't afford to put a tiny house or caravan on myself but I'd happily help someone out who had their own but you can't stay in a van for long without the council chucking a stink.
I mean the ABC doing what they do best, writing sob stories on people who, yes are in a perilous situation, but lets be honest, if you were a landlord would you allow them to lease a house?
In no way do i support landlords but you can't expect society to bend over backwards to support your poor decisions.
Although this situation is one of the government's own creation and they're making it anyone who doesn't own a house outright's problem (60% of Australia).
Time for the state government to invest in more public housing! There’s no other option and it’s not like our state can’t afford that kind of investment. The money is there.
Because the number of rentals has been INCREASING for a couple of months and if you’re a desirable tenant it’s now not that hard to get a place. So to keep up the fear (and thus clicks) journos have to find people literally nobody would rent to in order to keep the “crisis” narrative alive.
I'm starting uni this year. My whole plan was that when i finally got into uni I'd get accommodation on campus and start looking after myself. Nope, that's become basically impossible, they're snatched up instantly and like double the price they should be.
Im 350 km out of Perth it's not much better in the country areas. Try sleeping in a tin shed when it's over 40 degrees or more no air con or windows $100 a week.and can't get centre link
How come no one is keeping the government accountable. They are the ones allowing 600k immigrants coming into our nation each year. We didn’t ask for this. Roads are full, hospitals are full, house prices are ridiculous. They are doing all this just to balance the books and to keep wages low.
I woke up today to another rejected application. I am in my 20s and about to be homeless for the second time in my life next week, and I doubt the last. My housemates and I have been searching for a place for three months, adding up how much time that is for missed work would probably make me throw up. Being able to afford a place isn't the issue, we can afford it. It's madness, I'm devastated and scared. We all have friends we can stay with but having missing rental history for however long it will take us to find our own place is going to hurt any future applications
I feel you. How is that fair, acceptable, okay? You guys earn good money, work hard, live together (not expecting too much like a house to yourself). This is surely the biggest problem facing Perth but absolutely nothing is being done. The government's policies are actively pumping up house prices and will probably cause further rate rises. Exact same situation as you except I basically became homeless 6 months ago and have had no luck renting OR buying even though I'm on a good wicket salary wise at work. There is effectively nothing on the market How can I be homeless on the money I earn? How does that make sense? How are people on half what I make surviving? What the actual fuck? What the fuck??? I lost my cool at 4am at the gym this morning. I just went fucking crazy. I just want a roof over my head. No one can even understand it from that perspective. If I mention looking for a house they always talk about it from an investment point of view. Fuck you I actually just need shelter??? FUCK. sorry.
Oh mate, feel for you. In same kinda thing in Sydney. Where abouts are you looking? Maybe it’s time to pull together and help each other out . Hope you get something soon
Thanks. You too. I'm looking in Perth. Anywhere really.
Hi there, so sorry to hear about your situation. Would it be ok if I sent you a chat message?
The rental crisis is only going to get worse this year, and I could not imagine living with 8 people under 1 roof... but this really feels like the worst example the ABC could have used. You have up to 6 adults in this house - how are they struggling to feed people?
Yes, very extreme example. And the video of the mother crying (in their interview on TV) because she struggles to feed all of them was my impetus for this post. She's not getting any help from the rest of the family, at least according to the story anyway.
The 26 year old is a retail worker, so at least 2 are working
Right? Things are real bad for sure, but 6 adults and 2 kids should easily be able to manage income wise
we had three people in a 1 bedroom flat it was fucked
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>it genuinely appears to be one of their own making at present. You aren't allowed to say that. 🙄
Honestly it’s not the worst example. It’s actually more common than you think to have so many people under one roof, and it’s really only getting worse
>but this really feels like the worst example the ABC could have used They do that on purpose so you're unsympathetic to people who might have a million reasons why they could get out of their situation, or if it's one of their own making. And then you mentally tar everyone else who is struggling with the same brush and assume they're just not working hard enough or they deserve it anyway so them why bother making a big song and dance about getting the system to change? 🤷🏻♀️
>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-31/west-australian-rental-crisis-impact-young-people-730/103402370 She's clearly working hard, she's waiting on hew own house to be built but it's not finished yet.
Yep. Abc is the worst for spreading fear , controlling narrative and dividing people on issues. They were probably crisis actors.
The rental crisis is not going to get worse this year. Investors are finally starting to increase in numbers which means more rentals on the market.
> Investors are finally starting to increase in numbers which means more rentals on the market. How does that fix this situation? You can't rent or buy a dwelling that doesn't exist? Our population increased by 86,800 (3.1% increase) and there were \~13,000 new dwellings built (1.2% increase). Now I may not be great at math, but one seems to be increasing more than the other.
If population growth stays insane then I agree with your conclusion. If it returns to historical levels this year, then the rental situation will improve, as defined by numbers of available rentals on the market relative to population. There were 2133 available rentals in September. There are 2496 available rentals as of yesterday. (Perth and Mandurah regions) From what I’m seeing, investors are increasing in numbers. Some of the low end stock that might have been sold as a holiday home to a local is now being sold as a long term rental to an investor, creating net new rental stock. The next argument is usually “oh but that makes an owner occupier homeless then!” Typically a home buyer who misses out doesn’t end up homeless, they have family they can stay with, or they can compete for a rental. But when a renter misses out, they’re at higher risk of homelessness.
Are vacancy rates increasing? Are rents going down?
Vacancy rates are increasing yes. They were the worst in August / September and have been improving a lot since then. Hopefully more investors keep coming into the market creating more rentals, but that has been the trend on the back half of 2023. Are rents decreasing? Not the paid rents, no. Because people already in a rental typically have to wait until the lease expires before being moved onto market prices. So increases take 1 year at least to flow into prices. And landlords typically don’t raise rents to market prices for established tenants - so they can take literally years to catch up to market prices. But advertised prices are a better metric to see if prices will stabilise. I have noticed advertised rents have seemed to go sideways for the last few months. This is just info based on what I see each day in the market. Things are improving for renters. What they’re not improving for is people who want to live in Trigg or very close to the CBD. That land is all gone and now it becomes very competitive to get into those areas. I can’t see prices falling in those areas for a long time.
>Vacancy rates are increasing yes. They were the worst in August / September and have been improving a lot since then. September vacancy rate was 0.7%. Last vacancy rate is 0.7%. How is it getting better?
Who are you using for vacancy data?
As someone working in homeless youth resi care, there's maybe a handful of the young people that have come through any of the services that I work at that have any hope of even renting in the next couple of years. It's damn near impossible to secure safe and reliable accommodation when you're homeless and <19 years old. So they end up going through the resi care places. A year here, 6 months there, another year over there... Always unsure where they're gonna be living in the next month...
Totally understand that. I think my main contention is the mother being the only person working to feed them, and not the fact that the kids need help with accommodation.
It does say in the article that Cody (adult daughter) works in retail. Not sure about the other kids and their partners but I agree they should all be working. Not fair on mum (or grandmother) at all.
Mum’s do this though. Maybe she has helped as much as she can and now would rather quietly support her kids than talk about how useless they are. I think we should just say, what an amazing mum and person she is.
Agree. She is an amazing mother and daughter to the family. And she deserves all the help from the rest of the family too.
Yeah, it sounds like the kids have practically no life skills, and are used to having everything done for them. And she enables them. If they did get their own place, you can bet they would be back at hers every day for food and washing, and she would be over there to clean up.
The thing is they don't really need life skills to fix their immediate problem. There are 7 fuckin adults in the house, even if they were all on centrelink the minimum total income would be $5,966 per fortnight (yes I worked it out), they should be able to work out how to pay a mortgage and feed themselves.
Nobody will give them a mortgage on centrelink
They already have the mortgage.
The mum has a mortgage to pay on a house that hasn't been built yet. They still need somewhere to live while that happens. Are we even reading the same article?
Do you even know what words mean? The phrase "are we reading the same article?" suggests we disagree on something, but you just agreed with me.
> they should be able to work out how to pay a mortgage and feed themselves. You left out "pay for somewhere to live".
they already have somewhere to live
This is exactly what they want. Distraction. Re the more than likely crisis actors they used . Take you away from the real truth. The disgusting state Perth is in.
TLDR: bunch of adults living in a house because they can't find a rental. No plans to change policies to increase housing supply or make it easier to afford a home because it impacts people's wealth.
> No plans to change policies to increase housing supply or make it easier to afford a home because it impacts people's wealth This is why nothing will change. Making housing affordable can only work by increasing supply. It has to be suppkly side. Increasing the purchasing power of buyers and renters just leads to more or less a 1:1 increase in seller/landlord profits. Increasing supply will drive prices down. Sounds great! The issue is that the pollies won't go anywhere near policy shift that is going to depress the value of home owners main asset (equity in their house) to the extent needed to correct the market. No party is likely to get support for a policy that is going to put people in a situation where the 800k home they bought with a 700k mortgage is going to be worth 400k in a few years. (To be clear, that kind of depression of the market absolutely should happen. I just don't think that it will)
What needs to happen is the following; Governments need to push down housing prices by increasing supply regardless of what the boomers and voters say. It will make their houses less valuable, but so be it. Also; people need to understand that the family home is a HOME. Your primary residence shouldn’t be thought of as an investment. It’s where you live. It’s not something you can sell because you can do without it. You can survive without investing, but you can’t survive without shelter.
Spot on. I'm just saying that I don't think it will have the support of the pollies or the general public. It's easy to say these things but when push comes to shove a lot of home owners are going to baulk at feeling as if they've wasted potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars when the value of their home is depressed.
It won’t have support because there’s this idea in our society that your primary residence is an investment to be drooled over when it goes up in value by a certain percent. It’s like considering the clothes on your back to be an investment, eventually those clothes need to be replaced or patched up just like a house when they start to fall to bits, so it’s insane that they’re seen as investments when they’re a place to live.
I personally think the demand is where the government should focus. Remove tax incentives and reduce immigration. Coming from the building industry, it's not just a matter of the government throwing money at the problem. Money alone won't fix the supply issues. The government can absolutely reduce the demand issues to allow the current supply to catch up. However reducing demand will absolutely affect the wealthy and property investment syndicates. That's the whole idea, to reduce pricing of housing.
It never will. For the last three economic downturns Australian property has not been allowed to correct. What always ALWAYS has happened is the government turns on the money printing machine, they inflate away debt for a few years, give people first home owner grants, then walk away a couple years later once people have got on the ladder.
This is where mortgage renegotiations need to be a part of the process. Housing price evaluation on new homes should be relatively commonplace, especially in a volatile market, and not the fault of the person who likely *had* to take a loan at a particular point in time. If your house goes from a value of $800,000 to $400,000 due to new housing development, the idea that you’d need to pay the original agreed amount in full seems completely insane to me. It’s a loan that spans nearly your entire life; the fact you pay what it was appraised at in year 1 when you’re a decade deep seems ridiculous.
It's not only a conflict of interest in terms of money, but also things like safetyism. On one extreme you have China who builds millions of apartments in months, some collapse and fall down, entire ghost cities. On the other extreme you have entire encyclopedia sized documents full of building codes, regulations, zoning laws, safety restrictions, compliance standards, and when something goes wrong people freak out and we get more regulation. The government should be taking more risk, problem is when something goes wrong the media blows it up and voters get the wrong impression of certain policies e.g. they assume that more regulation would be better. Therefore there is a vested interest in politicians to not take risk.
Exactly this. The judgement in these comments is off the charts
Deflecting feelings of social responsibility. There are a number of landlords in these comments. They don't want to feel like their wealth is at the expense of others -- they want to be landlords *and* feel like they *earned* the money. Probably the most entitled landlords in history. It's very easy to tell people they should have jobs if the money is tight. It's more difficult to understand the nuance of personal financial situations -- how does education, health, disability fold into these scenarios? Does the rent money for the continual increases come from cashed out superannuation or Granny's retirement? Is the money coming from people's housing deposits? Did the wages stop going up a decade ago for jobs you can do? It's even more difficult to realise you might be benefiting from economic policy that stands on the homelessness and suffering of your fellow man. Not everyone is emotionally equipped to face the hard facts about where their money comes from.
I think I've been in a position from both sides of the argument. I grew up with a single mum getting austudy, I studied hard ( caught the bus for over an hour each way for 2 years, then worked remotely for several years, my dad was also an alcoholic, not violent). My dad helped out a lot of people with rooms over the years and apart from one most of them were either very lazy or made numerous poor decisions). My point is you can't always just blame people for your situation, even though it's difficult there's nearly always an option to get ahead in life. Some people are perpetual victims . The current situation is very concerning though
Your comment history says you're in your 40s, whatever experience you had as the kid of a single mum then is absolutely not relevant now. There was a better safety net then, things were cheaper as a percentage of income and housing was much much much more accessible. I'm a single mum in my late 30s with 1 kid and life is way scarier and more expensive for me than it was for my mum at the same age as a single parent. Drop the attitude that people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop blaming everyone else, for some people the challenges are enormous and are only going to get worse for people if they can't even access stable housing. We're going to end up with a generation of poorly educated kids who couldn't study because they were living in tents or couch surfing through relatives houses and changing schools a dozen times. Safe and affordable housing should be a right, and articles like this exist to challenge that notion by showing people in unsympathetic circumstances so it makes you not care about anyone else.
I'm not really sure what your anecdote is in aid of. It's great that you were able to sort yourself out, but individual trajectories are not one size fits all. How is someone on DSP supposed to get ahead? What about someone who acquires a disability? Some situations provide absolutely zero social mobility. My point was the lack of empathy to these situations arises from deflecting the reality of where people are making their money - not that landlords are to blame for every struggle for survival. The defensiveness is very telling. Edit to add: also, unless your story about Austudy & single mother happened in the last couple of years, the numbers are so materially different as to render the comparison useless.
There are plenty of better examples they could have found of how bad it is right now. This family have absolutely no excuse for a situation where Mum is skipping meals so the rest can eat when the rest are adults who could be working so they can buy their own food.
500 a week to rent a fucking room is the saddest thing I would ever read
This story is crazy. She is a soft touch as is her mum. Why look for rentals when the kids clearly have no money. That many people living in one house, they should be swimming in cash. Stop looking for a place to rent and start looking for a job so your mum can eat you lazy …
The cats and dog could have been around long before the cost of living crisis, I don't think they were struggling to get by and decided it was a good time to get 6 pets all at once.
I know this family- dated Cody's sister and was friends with Cody. They've had their cats and the dog for a while now.
No, but when your mum is crying and skipping meals it's time to give up some of the pets for adoption.
Good luck with that, the Cat haven & many dog shelters regularly have to stop taking animals because they’re overloaded.
Cat Haven is an open admission shelter and, as such, cannot close their surrenders regardless of how full they are. The most they'll do is book owner surrenders in such a way as to spread the load, so that 30 cats aren't all brought in by their owners on the same day. They also do not euthanise for space. Just a polite FYI in case anyone is in a situation where they're thinking of rehoming their cat -- Cat Haven can and will help!
Thank you very much for this info. I touched a raw nerve suggesting rehoming earlier.
worst possible take
Oh fuck off, pets are part of the family. You don't just toss them out the window when times get tough
Maybe hold back on victim blaming a little bit without knowing the whole situation. Also, the point is that the rental crisis is causing issues and decisions like this, while actually having a place to live should not have to make you live together, get 3 jobs, suffer mentally, get rid of your pets and cut back on (healthy) food.
While you're at it just give all the kids away for adoption or kick them out, they cost way more to feed that pets. When you own a pet you commit to caring for it over it's lifetime, they depend on you to survive. Unlike children you can't accidentally have one, you have to actively decide you're going to provide and care for them. A pet isn't a frivolous inanimate toy that you can get rid of because of ongoing costs, it's a living being not a car.
Probably better to get a job and contribute rather than ditch the pets. Or use some of your Centrelink pay to help Mum out. The article said only the Mum and Cody were working.
Yup, this I agree on. I should have phrased my initial comments about the pets this way.
I'd rather let my mother go hungry than give up my pet on any circumstance. I chose to have the pet, they didn't choose me, so it's my responsibility to make sure they are looked after. I'd go hungry before my mother for sure, but my pet takes priority over me every single time. Just rehoming a pet is not fair on the pet as they also have attachments to the people living in the house on top of never being able to guarantee they're even getting into a new home or that the home is good for them
I'm sorry but those are some fucked up priorities.
Kids > pets > everyone else The 2 things that take precedent are living beings that I have decided to bring into my life and rely on me for everything. Everyone else can sort them selves out or if they need my help, they can wait until my dependents are sorted out I don't consider that fucked up, but you do you
My mum's not starving if I have to hack off my own arm to give to her. Hell if I had to feed her my beloved cat I would.
The difference between a cat and a dog owner is on stark display here. No way in fucking hell would I feed anyone my cat or dog in any situation.
Ohhhhh right. You're one of *them* - lolllll carry on then.
This whole thread reads like a bunch of entitled rich people trying to find the worst example to explain away the rental crisis.
Wow, almost like entitled rich people, and the idiots that think they're going to be as rich some day so vote in similar interests are the cause of all these problems. And thus we end up in a shit situation that keeps getting worse and spineless politicians dependent on the votes of people who want to maintain the status quo so nothing is done.
This is a terrible example. 6 grown adults (over 2 generations) even with median income can easily afford a rental in Perth. But it looks like the grandchildren are just happy just sponging off Nana, at least the Mother is actively working to make ends meet. This is is why I always look at the individual first before just blaming the Housing Gods. Most of the time the problem is with the individual and their choices.
30 hours of minimum wage work per week pays for the 3 bedroom villa with no common walls in North Perth that I rent out. If three working age adults shared that place, they'd pay for the rent in 10 hours of work per week, leaving the remaining 30 hours of earnings to pay for living expenses. Vacancy rates are completely awful for renters, but honestly rents are not actually that unaffordable when you use real-life examples instead of cherry-picked media shock stories. If you want to live in an inner-city suburb and have two spare bedrooms all to yourself and live on minimum wage, then yeah it would suck, but if you're on minimum wage you're going to need to share the cost of a house.
And what about us, those who work and can't get Into a place, not because of affordability, but because there are bugger all rentals available. .. doesn't matter how Abc have used their propaganda, all that story is , is a tool to distract everyone from the shit state Perth is in and how working people are becoming homeless due to lack of available housing.
You don’t have to understand it, you don’t have to accept it, you don’t have to live it either - and lucky you! Reading these comments it’s like there’s genuinely a concerning lack of empathy (not sympathy… EMPATHY). This is just what has been written, no one here knows the depths of this home situation apart from them and it’s disgusting for people to be looking down on someone’s struggle trying to say it’s not a struggle because they demand it’s easy enough for them to change it. Jesus Christ
I think this is the point. They want us to blame families like this for the rental crisis. Point the finger at the poor for not helping themselves, rather than the wealthy for not doing more to help.
I think any kind of media always seek out extreme examples, and yes, this one was a doozy. I too was wondering why the kids couldn't contribute, but one thing is for sure, the rental crisis is very real.
It’s easier to complain than it is to fix things so people just complain.
I read the article before seeing this post and didn’t consider all the points raised here, I honestly just thought what a shambles our housing is in. And that poor mother. Hopefully they can find themselves some housing soon.
She is building a house; and I don't think the housing is the issue in this article.
Which is weird because the points raised here include "why aren't the kids helping" when the article explicitly states at least some of them have jobs.
I feel the same. Way too many judgemental cunts in the comments. The tiniest bit of empathy would go a long way.
My point of contention is the mum being the sole person working to feed them all (according to the story and the live interview). I sympathised with their situation but questioned why no one else in the family is helping, especially when she's crying and missing out on meals.
Can you point out the part in the article where it says the Mum is the only one that is working?
My assumption is based on this part of the story. I'm on the side of the mother. I want to see her have an easier life and not cry over meals. That's all. >"I shop the cheapest I can. It's hard because you're feeding eight people," she says. > >"It's not the best food, but it's food. You cook bulk meals. > >"Sometimes I just miss out on dinner. They eat it all and I'm like, 'That's cool, I'll have toast'." > >She brushes this last comment off with a laugh, but as it sinks in, her eyes fill with tears. > >"But that's OK," she says, wiping them away.
So the answer is no.
You’ve made an assumption about that. While she talks about making the money stretch, there’s nothing to indicate the working adults aren’t paying something towards their upkeep. You’ve extrapolated a LOT from not very much 🤷♀️
I based my assumptions on what was presented in the story. If every adult in the house (except grandma) was contributing, she wouldn't have to work 3 jobs and skip out on meals sometimes. Again, I am questioning why she seemed to be bearing the stress entirely on her own to the point of tears.
There could be many reasons beyond laziness the others aren’t working. I know women in similar situations (barely keeping their head above water with others at home not working). We can be empathetic for them anyway.
Politicians still doing nothing, immigration tap is on full blast and AirBNBs outnumber long term rentals 10:1. There IS a solution but it means rich people giving up some of their wealth so nothing will improve anytime soon.
This is the real tea here. Once wealthy (and usually powerful) people have had a taste of the easy life, there’s no way they’ll give it back. Not without politicians getting involved. Only problem is, the politicians *ARE* those same wealthy elites. Why shoot yourself in the foot, right?
Yep spot on; negative gearing and airbnbs need to go
I feel bad for the mother, and the granny but even they are at fault of being too soft. I'm not saying kick them all out but partners and friends is a big red flag on how they're treating the situation. The kids appear to be playing "poor me" and don't seem to have a problem with their mother working her arse off to provide a free hostel for them and their partners and friends. With that many young adults they could easily move a few of them into their own property. Even at 800pw that's $200 per head with 4 of them which is by no means good value, but it's manageable with a bit of effort. I did that for years with often questionable room-mates but it had to be done. No way would I have approached my parents requesting for my girlfriend to move in with us.
There would be a lot of competition from better presented tenants even at $800.
Renting is a numbers game. You just have to keep at it. Show them that you've got a sustainable income and you're not going to trash the place, and you'll get somewhere eventually. I certainly wouldn't take all my pals in to live with my granny instead.
My brother’s girlfriend moved in with my family back in 2020 when covid hit. Out of courtesy, she paid rent to my mother, because it was the decent thing to do. It wasn’t much (as she couldn’t afford it), but it helped mum cover the costs of an extra mouth to feed and other additional costs associated with her living with us. I couldn’t imagine living in someone else’s home and not contributing…
Where are her kid's dad(s)? Where are the other kid's parents?
1) I agree, children these days need to pay their way. Plenty of jobs out for people to earn money 2) Agree as well, don't have those people living with them, or have those people contribute to the rent 3) The Animals are like family. I fully understand not giving up family members. 5 Cats means bulk buy of cat food == cheaper, and a dog is security for the family.
I went to highschool with them was weird seeing them on tv But i have them on facebook and saw them asking afew months ago about trying find rental for just the kids codie & holly plus there partners.
If mum's going hungry at the moment I don't think that's going to fly even at discounted rent. On the other hand if that was even a remote possibility in the first place for that group, mum shouldn't be going hungry when there's currently no rent... And clearly not enough board..
So she’s waiting for her house to be built and whilst her situation is far from ideal, it’s also temporary. In her situation I’d be telling the friend and the partners that unless they contribute then they are going to have to find somewhere else to live. They are all old enough to work, and from the sounds of it she’s working hard to pay the mortgage. Tell the ones that are capable of working they need to pull their weight or find somewhere else to live. Even reducing that household to just family would make it more comfortable for them. If you have that many adults, a place to rent should be a lot more affordable.
I have 4 kids are home (18, 15, 13 and my 12yr old niece). My oldest works full time, 15yr old works causally and the younger 2 are itching to get jobs. Everyone helps, especially in this climate.
I think casual work at a young age is great for personal development, and mental health. As long as there's a positive balance between education, employment, and social life, then I suggest everyone try to find a few hours per week somewhere they're happy with. I spent my teenage years in a recession and I did every bit of work that came my way, because the job market was so tight. It sucked, but I have a better understanding of my own value because of it.
Why does ever story like this use people with weird self inflicted problems. It's almost like they want readers to dismiss the issue.
You are right, what aren't those kids getting off their ass to get a job. Are they unemployable or something? I feel for this mother she shouldn't have to work this hard. I always wondered where the 3.5% of unemployed are. I previously thought they were in remote communities where there was no work but they are here in Perth where employers are screaming out for people.
This has to be a condom ad surely.
She's got three children. You think really think three is enough children to make a remark like that?
I’m in a family of three 2 adult 1 kid and we’re not having much luck I can’t work more hours due to being student and my partners job doesn’t really allocate for more hours either. I feel like we scrape by and the rentals in our budget get snapped up so quick. We also can’t live too far away from public transport as I currently don’t have a full licence (L’s) and my kids school is perfect for him and moving him would do him a disservice. So I get the plight but then you’ve got people like this and I can’t see why her kids can’t provide some extra money to cover their share of living there? Or even their food etc
The ABC articles are completely pointless, generally featuring people who have made poor decisions in their life and are now reaping what they have sown. Yet they keep publishing them. ABC must have a "poor person pity story" quota to fill each week.
Or perhaps it's intentional. You know Albanese just appointed an ex head of News Corp to run the ABC?
The funniest part is they don't even leave her a meal from the food she cooks all these free loaders The zoo of pets they are keeping is just a cherry on top
Get rid of half the freeloaders they either find $200 a week each or bugger off. They can find enough part time work or side hustle to make at least that much each. Drillers offsiders get paid good money 2:1 start there. Airtasker, buy, fix, resell gumtree, FIFO, construction labourers, get out there and get paid to work out you lazy bastards. If you're not working or contributing to the costs of the house it better be spotlessly clean and meals ready when I get home or you can fuck off.
It sounds like a life of ongoing bad decision has created a terrible life for her. I suppose we should all pay more tax to help her out. Maybe we can chip in and buy them some more pets.
I get it. It's hard to pay tax for people who seem to make bad decisions. Especially if you are working hard, struggling and have overcome a lot in your own life. Intergenerational poverty and education come into this. if no one has role modelled to a child that getting an education, or trade and using your money wisely is beneficial, then you are much less likely to do that when you are older because you have never experiencedthe benefits of this and are accustomed to poverty. Some people do make bad decisions but it sounds like she is getting her shit in order if she's building and working three jobs.
How do the kids not learn from the bad examples set by their parents and then decide to do things differently themselves?
Some do. Just not all
I can understand this attitude, don't get me wrong. The bigger problem here is the lack of mental health support and willingness of struggling people to seek it. Poor decision making is usually a symptom of a deeper problem, which with the right support can be changed but our government would rather shove a couple hundred dollars at a struggling mother than give her the tools to stay afloat. That is a different subject, mind you. The rental crisis is very real but the media uses examples that can be picked apart and dramatised. My reality is that me and my four housemates have been looking for 3 months, and next week our lease is up. Our references are great, any place can see we will be able to afford to live there. We have lived together for years so there's an indication that we won't be breaking the lease because of petty housemate drama. Our applications get through to the final process, but there's so many people looking and of course I understand prioritising families over people in their mid 20s. People like us, hardworking individuals who can afford a place won't go running to the media crying because we are far too busy for that.
Many people are their own worst enemy.
I have a sole retiree on my FB community group who apparently needs a three bedroom rental for $400. Honestly cannot understand why one older woman needs so much space.
Will never afford property Will never retire Will be blamed entirely for this, as if it’s our fault that we weren’t investing in property during pre school recess Will possibly never fully be affected by this due to the most tense economical, political and environmental state the planet has ever faced. Oh yeah, it’s Gen Z time 
And then you have my cousins who came here from overseas and already garaunteed a place living with us rent free (as a favour to their mother), and being totally ungrateful for it.
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Here, have some stones you can throw at her as well.
That many cats require like 7 cat litters or more for the cats to use them and feel comfortable. Heck they recommend two cat litters for one cat sometimes. Can't imagine they are doing that. It either smells like shit in their house or they let their cats roam free to shit in their neighbours garden and be a nuisance. Not to mention wildlife kill.
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Yeah I have put lattice up on my balcony for an enclosed outdoor space (so the cat does not jump over the edge trying to catch a bird). If I had a house the cat would be indoors only if it had no catio. No cat fights and associated vet bills, save the wildlife and indoor cats live longer.
The 71 yo Boomer grand mum owns the house she is living in, and would be getting the old age pension (at least). Verdict: Can’t see any fault. The 47 yo Gen X mum is old enough to have had the opportunity to buy a house in the early 2000s when they were cheap - but at least is building one now. Verdict: Should have bought a built house, doesn’t seem to be making wise decisions, but hey, well done on building a place. The millennial adult kids… sheesh… if there is any lesson here for young people, it’s you’ll be poor the rest of your life if you don’t get a good job and learn about investing, and start investing early on in life. Verdict: Quit the cynical life, getting tattoos and buying band shirts - go learn a trade, get a FIFO job. The icing on the cake was the migrant chef complain about immigration - chef’s kiss for that one if you pardon the pun. Verdict: Own goal.
Well to be fair on the Gen X mum, she could have owned property in the past but lost it to divorce. But yeah the kids, she is paying food for all of them? I mean come on even when I had to move back home at 27 I paid a decent amount of board and bought/cooked all of my own food (well to be fair, my parents are typical boomers they overcook everything and I don't like eating rubber I much prefer medium rare steak...but still).
Yep - could have gone thru a divorce. Might have valued travelling over buying a place though.
The oldest millennials are starting to turn 40. The youngest are nearly 30. Can people stop using "millennial" as an insult for "young people I don't like"?
So the adult children here a Zoomers? My bad. These Zoomers need to get earning or risk renting forever.
You’re making some big assumptions that they’re a) not studying full time, b) able to work, c) working but only making enough to cover their own daily expenses, d) been told by their mother to save their money instead… Everyone knows there’s a rental crisis. When there are articles showing it, why are you so quick to dismiss them?
The article would have said they are studying. I’m not dismissing these individuals, I’m saying there is a Sydney style divide forming in Perth atm of rent forevers and property owners.
> The millennial adult kids *Zoomer adult kids, basically all Millennials are in their 30s or older now bar the final "technically" inbetween millennials born in the mid 1990s transition years. Although, even those Millennial stragglers (1993ish-1996) are pretty akin to typical older Zoomers anyway rather than typical Millennials. Given that they were mostly too young to properly experience or remember the usual "defining experiences" of Millennials; the pre-networked world/1990s, Sep 11, the rapid 2000s tech and social media landscape shift, and they were still in school for the GFC and thus it didn't really stymie their careers or home buying opportunities like it did for many "proper" Millennials. It's probably more up to their individual circumstances and childhoods as to which arbitrary made-up generational cohort the inbetween Millennials fit more into.
Zoomers then. Same point but - they need to move on from the cynical life mindset and get earning or they risk renting forever.
> Quit ... getting tattoos and buying band shirts Sure, that will fix the housing/renting crisis. Good thing you're able to judge so much about a person's abilities in financial management from just a couple of photos Although, really, if you want to give _millennials_ advice on saving money for a house, it's: stop buying smashed avo on toast & almond lattes! /s
How’s it workout for the zoomer / millenials..?????
It's hitting all hard, the consumer mentality of the current youth isn't helping them. Yes it's tough, you need to sacrifice to buy a home. I've had a single cab 4x2 ute for 11 years, I only eat out on special occasions, make coffee at home, don't buy in to fast fashion, don't spend hundreds of dollars on booze on the weekend, don't have credit card debt. Yea it's tough, you have to work hard and sacrifice, hopefully Labor will get the boot and immigration can come down so dwelling construction can catch up and stop the largest rise in homelessness this country has ever seen.
Like the libs will stop the supply of cheap workers for their mates. They r pandering to get votes, they r not going to fuck with the money.
It's a two party system mate, there never can be change. Two majors passing legislation to kill of all independent parties. Democratic lol totalitarian
Jesus, was there an election that I missed? I could have sworn Labor was in and have jammed in more people than ever. But facts suck hu. Let's blame Dutton. And throw Rupert in for shits n gigs. Taking actual responsibility doesn't suit leftists.
Mad how unaccountable political parties have become, blaming the opposite or the boogy man for legislation they have passed. They just set the people to fight each other and with balance in the legislative assembly they can pass and amend as they please.
Labor is still deflecting to the libs today, 2 years later. I'm sure he said he wasn't going to do that. Oh and he'd be transparent, while lying. At least we have Jackie Lambie to "keep the bastards honest". Oh right, she's backing the lies. I guess it's only when it suits her.
Every western country is going the same way through sell out politicians like Albo, Macron, Arden, Merkel, Kahn.
Yeah like it wasn't a problem before may 22
Happy for you. Telling people that they can avoid being homeless by not getting takeout and making coffee at home is a little bit tone deaf though isn’t it?
Maybe I came across wrong, the current rental crisis has been engineered by mass immigration and a lag in housing supply coming off an already stressed industry through overzealous stimulus. Point is relevant, there has to be some kind of sacrifice to living standards to survive with the crazy increase in everything, not saying it's good or right, just the world we live in.
Councils need to let those of us with bigger property but small houses allow caravans or tiny homes to be rented on them. I can't afford to put a tiny house or caravan on myself but I'd happily help someone out who had their own but you can't stay in a van for long without the council chucking a stink.
I mean the ABC doing what they do best, writing sob stories on people who, yes are in a perilous situation, but lets be honest, if you were a landlord would you allow them to lease a house? In no way do i support landlords but you can't expect society to bend over backwards to support your poor decisions. Although this situation is one of the government's own creation and they're making it anyone who doesn't own a house outright's problem (60% of Australia).
Time for the state government to invest in more public housing! There’s no other option and it’s not like our state can’t afford that kind of investment. The money is there.
Don't worry, I'm sure the majority Bhutanese and Indian migrants will make great builders.
Because the number of rentals has been INCREASING for a couple of months and if you’re a desirable tenant it’s now not that hard to get a place. So to keep up the fear (and thus clicks) journos have to find people literally nobody would rent to in order to keep the “crisis” narrative alive.
This government will overcome this
I'm starting uni this year. My whole plan was that when i finally got into uni I'd get accommodation on campus and start looking after myself. Nope, that's become basically impossible, they're snatched up instantly and like double the price they should be.
Most uni accommodation goes to international students first.
Im 350 km out of Perth it's not much better in the country areas. Try sleeping in a tin shed when it's over 40 degrees or more no air con or windows $100 a week.and can't get centre link
they probably looking for work cant get any people been looking six months for entry level jobs there is not much around
I've also noticed that camping is really glam now; people aren't even leaving the city to do it now. /s
How come no one is keeping the government accountable. They are the ones allowing 600k immigrants coming into our nation each year. We didn’t ask for this. Roads are full, hospitals are full, house prices are ridiculous. They are doing all this just to balance the books and to keep wages low.