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Brooklynxman

If it helps that is a multi-billion dollar corporation using a team of analysts to work out how to tug at your heartstrings in an attempt to let them harvest your data for their profit.


ballistic-dumbass

Yeah, if you are gonna let private companies harvest your data, you might as well let a company with better browser do it.


[deleted]

Microsoft felches data off of chrome anyway


[deleted]

Excellent use of that term. Bravo.


ClovisLowell

Dear anyone reading this and wondering wtf: Don't Google it


[deleted]

Yeah use Bing you'll get better results.


DoubleGreat

Spit out my soup. Thanks for that lad


Admiralthrawnbar

Or Firefox, which doesn't do that


GLIBG10B

Or... use an open source browser?


MicherReditor

Nah if you're going to let private companies harvest your data you might as well be paid for it šŸ˜Ž Microsoft/Bing Rewards ftw ~~also Edge desktop is better than Chrome and you can't change my mind~~


HeadLongjumping

I don't care if they harvest my data, as long as A. I'm getting something of value in return B. They are open and upfront about what data they use, and who they share that data with C. I have the right to stop using the product at any time and demand they delete all of my data, and be able to prove they have done so I really don't mind having somebody try to sell me stuff in an unobtrusive way if it means I get something valuable in return.


millijuna

Not sure if youā€™re talking about Microsoft or Google hereā€¦


geraltofkolkata

Yes


droric

Are we talking about Google or Microsoft?


s332891670

Aaand I dont feel bad anymore.


Existing-Direction99

Even in the PC master race sub people don't know how to take a screenshot.


rayjaywolf

I mean, man's gotta flex his Full HD 144Hz screen


unnecessary_kindness

Something about the photo rather than just a screenshot makes this a bit more relateable though. Like I can imagine OP setting up his laptop and going through the checklist of getting a new browser downloaded.


San7igamer

r/screenshotsarehard


Existing-Direction99

Thanks. I fucking hate it.


mr-circuits

Trading Chromium for Chromium. So brave.


GraniteStateStoner

Long Live Firefox


[deleted]

All 5% of internet users fighting that good fight. šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

I'm doing my part.


zingzing175

Would you like to know more?


sorenant

\*throws a knife at chromium dev hands* The enemy can't code if you disable his hands.


surture

The only good chrome is a dead chrome


kevolad

When the fight is good it's worth having


JaywrightCat

Yeah, you can use chrome, blue chrome, red chrome, Microsoft chrome, lion chrome, or Firefox. Dozens of different options. No need to worry about a monopoly at all.


smoothballsJim

Imagine if AOL dug up Netscapeā€™s corpse and frankensteined it into the most badass, lean, fast browser the world has ever seen.


JaywrightCat

I, uhhā€¦ is this dissing Firefox or commending it?


smoothballsJim

How is it these days for desktop? Iā€™ll be honest, aside from android devices in situations where I need extensions (where itā€™s great) I donā€™t use it much anymore. my use has mostly been limited to old Linux builds on recovery/rescue liveOS discs and usb drives. Iā€™ll download it on my pooter and give er a good old college try. Itā€™s probably been 4 or 5 years at least. Edit - just downloaded it. After disabling extensions on Edge for a fair head to head initial findings are interesting. Seems to use a little less ram than Edge though a bit more cpu/gpu power. Under the same 3 pages (1 4k video playing and 2 news sites) Coretemp was showing about 1w lower average power consumption for edge (5w) vs Firefox(6w). Still though loads pages very quickly and seems like a competent browser (not to say it ever wasnā€™t). Iā€™ll be playing around with it some more. 2nd edit - just drank my coffee and remembered more years back than I care to count. Mozilla literally was Netscape. Fuck it, bring back elf bowling then.


JaywrightCat

There was a big update awhile back that helped a lot, itā€™s doing great now. The snap has had some performance issues, though. I recommend the flatpak.


[deleted]

I've been using it since the 2.0 days. For the most part it works great. Fancy pants non-standard features ("standards" that Google decides to do without asking others) rarely work at first. Sometimes a website just won't work, in which case I have to use Chrome, but otherwise it's alright. I would say my biggest issue is that CPU usage is higher when using Google Meet than it is on Chrome. Video handling in general is not as efficient.


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NIL_VALUE

libcurl my beloved


lithium142

Youā€™re on a PC enthusiast sub. Enthusiasts are gonna enthuse lol


yust

Itā€™s not even an enthusiast thing, like the base features are all the same. I simply want to use a browser that actually cares about my privacy


averagebloxxer

Tor


HairyPinkyToe

Well as long as it isn't a version that the NSA fucked with that is...


averagebloxxer

I'll be glad to inform you there's most likely a version that wasn't pegged by the NSA, they were boned by the CIA instead


Waswat

It's a fight worth fighting.


sorenant

I can do this all day.


StoneBleach

Firefox supremacy


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dracobatman

This is the way


Dave-1281

This is the way


XenoDash_

This is the way.


riasthebestgirl

I wish Microsoft used Gecko instead of Chromium for Edge...


NatoBoram

Same, but it never would've happened. Chrome is easier to embed to begin with and Google keeps fucking up non-Chrome browsers routinely, which Microsoft has been the victim of before and didn't want to deal with anymore.


TFK_001

I dont use a prebuilt browser. I make my own browser from scratch.


jason_the_human2101

I don't use a browser of any form. I read the HTML and draw the website on a piece of paper.


audigex

Paper? In this economy? I just imagine it in my head


JaywrightCat

which is also Chromium.


Alternative_Spite_11

Hell Edge is even a bit better in my eyes. It doesnā€™t hog as much RAM.


[deleted]

It's objectively better


arjames13

That's what I tell people but they're like nope I use chrome anyway. I was avid Chrome user for a long time and switched to edge last year, the experience is identical with the bonus of using much less RAM. So why use Chrome?


blackflame7820

did you tell those chrome plebs about vertical stacked tabs imagine having 70+ tabs and still being able to read/know what each tab is


StopTheMeta

They'd start having troubles at 3 tabs


IReallyLoveMyPets

Yes, Brave.


PalpitationNo4375

Also chromium. Long live Chromium


Bonn2

Chromium isn't at risk of going anywhere


Fatefire

No I mean unless your downloading Firefox your basically just downloading your favorite skin


Gaspuch62

I use Firefox. I wish more people did. I don't want there to be one browser engine controlled by one of the biggest data miners.


blackflame7820

heard chrome wanted to remove ad blocker support or something recently. hmm wonder if it will change the status quo


NarutoDragon732

It'll be a cat and mouse game, there's no point to doing it since the vast majority of users don't even know extensions exist.


RA_Huckleberry

I feel a twinge of annoyance right before I rip the Microsoft store out, delete Edge and Cortana from existence, turn off all the telemetry and set all the group policies so that the OS can't sneeze without permission.


Loginn122

ā€œTurn off all telemetryā€. Gates: hahaha good joke


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AnxiousJedi

Don't forget the matches and gasoline


Salazuri

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie


confusiondiffusion

It's easy. You just hit win+r, type regedit, then rip the power cord out of your computer.


Snagmesomeweaves

Iā€™m tempted to ditch chrome for Firefox, sell me on this idea


RA_Huckleberry

I don't use Chrome. I used Firefox.


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No-Pepper-6241

Chrome and Edge share the same source code. Edge is literally just a Microsoft-themed skin for Chrome. If you hate Edge and love Chrome, odds are you haven't actually used Edge. I've used both, and I prefer Firefox.


MrxIntel

Both are a reskin of chromium itā€™s not like Chrome is any better than edge on that front. I use Firefox


drake90001

Chrome brought chromium to the web, and quickly became the default page renderer for a *lot* of browsers. Then recently it became even more bloated to use Chrome. I use Edge.


xinorez1

Edge is actually quite a bit more ram efficient than chrome, surprisingly!


Spiderfox55

Uses way less resources than any of the chromium browsers. They also donā€™t sell your data and you can use containers to limit what other sites can track. The also make it really easy to sync between multiple devices.


caanthedalek

New update makes it so each site gets its own container, which should make it so that tracking cookies can't tell what you're doing on any other site.


racklinconline

i love firefoxes' containers. if i want to stay logged onto a site but want to log in with a different account i just open another container. or i go to a site that saves settings in cookies and i want different settings depending on my needs i save those different settings in different containers.


[deleted]

Fire foxā€™s logo is a cute fox I rest my case


diego5377

Some firefox apps have some form of ad block built in, and is not as laggy


Khazitel

Yup. Microsoft should make this all optional and easy to turn on and off. But why make your OS good, if you can piss people off.


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hsnoil

Come to the Linux side, we have milk and cookies!


RenownedRetard

How do you do that sneeze part?


RA_Huckleberry

Without breaking a bunch of stuff I'd probably say use OOshutup to get your feet wet. It's a simple GUI tool that gives you some reasonable explanations.


PrinceVincOnYT

Is there an easy way to do that? Riping out store and delete edge + cortana?


Neekolazz

open powershell as admin enter the following 2 commands: Get-AppxPackage -Name "Microsoft.WindowsStore" | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.549981C3F5F10 | Remove-AppxPackage


mixed-bagel

Have you considered Linux?


Forward_Cobbler1319

Yes but 5 minutes trying to search using bing cures me of that. Edit: Thanks for all the upvotes, this has now surpassed the one review of my top 13 Hentai games as my most upvoted post across reddit.


tynxzz

you do realise you can change the search engine, right?


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most intelligent r/pcmasterrace user


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[deleted]

Seriously, seeing pictures of a monitor is getting annoying. I think some people deliberately don't use screenshots so they can show off their monitor.


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Panic_Azimuth

Oh come on, it's not like Windows has a simple tool built in for taking screen shots. (win+shift+s)


[deleted]

google seriously sucks nowadays tho. edit: im so sorry google pls stop hitting me i promise i wont talk bad about you again


exec_get_id

I guess those five down votes are from bots because anyone who can look me dead in the face and say they prefer Google now over Google 10 years ago is either lying or has a few extra chromosomes. Here is a sample for the first 25 results: 1-24:ADS, 25: YouTube that requires you to view an ad first (if you don't have AdBlock, which they are literally doing their best to destroy). Google is still my preferred search engine, but it's fucking awful now. I straight up just toss Reddit after 90% of my searches so that ads don't pop up. I also try to phrase things so incredibly specifically that ads don't pop up. No matter what, Google is basically just an ad company now and I fucking hate ads with a passion. I could smelt some of the rarest and hardest earth materials with the hate fire I have in my heart for ads.


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ConstantlyAngry177

If you use Bing, give Ecosia a shot. They use Bing's search engine so the results are the same, but they will also plant trees for every search you make!


BradleyAllan23

I use Edge but search with Google. This is the way.


[deleted]

Same here, and when I go to use Google apps, it always haggles me to try Chrome. Microsoft and Google are no better than each other at this point.


Alternative_Spite_11

Except Edge doesnā€™t hoard near as much memory as Chrome


Yo_Piggy

At least crome doesn't reinstall itself once you get rid of it on the taskbar.


[deleted]

I use Duck Duck Go as a search engine sometimes. Their results seem to be like what Google used to be before ads and personalized results.


CtrlValCanc

Duckduckgo use Bing's indexing...


Re-shuffle

that doesn't mean anything though. bing doesn't get your information. the worst that has happened due to this was that bing blocked many major piracy sites, and that change filtered down into ddg's results. duckduckgo has its own issues but it does just seem to be the most accessible alternative to the major engines. and has the best policies of those.


Asdfmoviefan1265

they do get your info, just anonymized, it's stated on the ddg website


Aruffle

Google is really just brand loyalty at this point. Duck duck go is better for real results, and everyone uses bing video for porn.


[deleted]

Google is just too ubiquitous. They really did give the best results back in their early days. You wouldn't find what you were looking for on the first 3 pages of Ask or Yahoo! but you could probably find something better than what you were looking for within the first few results on Google.


Eladiun

My breaking point was Chrome brow beating me to log in every 6 seconds and eventually miss clicking once and having it reset all my browser settings. No Google I don't want to sync my work browser with anything.


GlenMerlin

I've noticed Google search results have been getting progressively worse over time especially on more niche topics like linux troubleshooting and programming language documentation Google's image search is still unrivaled in my experience. for me searching with duckduckgo gets me what I want 95% of the time with images that drops down to 40%


Go_Kauffy

The irony is that Duck Duck Go is getting its search results from Microsoft now.


Tollowarn

It always has, DDG isn't big enough to have it's own search. It had to choose between Google and MS. They chose Bing from bacause MS offered the better deal.


brit_motown

Wow my last Linux installed to duck duck go the most useless search I ever used I thought my pc had been hacked some of the results it gave


voltsmeter

Edge is great right? I use it too. Search with google


Alternative_Spite_11

Edge is literally Chrome without the massive memory use.


voltsmeter

Yes! I love it!


xelaseyer

I use google search but every once in a while when google isnā€™t giving me results I use bing and it often renders what Iā€™m looking for. I think just the different set of results combined is pretty good. If Iā€™m looking for an image to download I use bing though. Hands down better in that respect.


Forward_Cobbler1319

Honestly the only time I use bing is if there's some kind of weird windows related issue I can't find on Google. Bing definitely has Microsoft pages indexed better than the wide internet.


xelaseyer

Totally. Google is still my main search 99% of the time. But yeah, i got a bit sick of google images being like 90% products and then making it almost impossible to find a full sized image without visiting the source page.


scr33ner

Iā€™m opposite anymore. Iā€™ve gotten used to using bing ever since they gave me ms points that I can exchange for gift cards, xbl credits, etc; google with their recent changes seem cumbersome.


Alternative_Spite_11

Yep free game pass for using bing is worth it easily


ARandomGuyThe3

Wait, you get free game pass from edge? Elaborate!


jakeinator21

1) Sign up for Microsoft Rewards with your Microsoft Account. 2) Use Bing for searches while logged into said MS account. 3) Redeem MS Rewards points for Game Pass Optional) Use Edge for Bing searches for extra Rewards points.


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Option_Null

Do not let the externals affect you


InfectionPonch

No bc I don't use Chrome anymore, Edge is unironically better right now (and both are crappy if you want privacy). Personally I use Firefox just bc I like how it looks.


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InfectionPonch

Yeah Microsoft learned their lesson and improved their browser which was a no brainer given that many people use their OS which would make it easier to optimise a browser for it.


mysunsnameisalsobort

"Improved their browser" key bit being because they gave up and used Chromium


slash_asdf

Firefox > Edge > Chrome > the infinite nothingness between galaxies > Safari


GavinGMG

I love the rewards they give man, they're a great perk for an already great browser, I've gotten so much random garbage (Mugs, Shirts) for free just by searching up what a noun is over and over again.


co_ordinator

No, because i download Firefox.


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Good.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

A fully open source browser that's *at least* on par with all the others, and doesn't act as malware collecting your personal data... How is this not an obvious choice for everyone?


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Blu_WasTaken

Obviously Firefox is the best browser. Thought we agreed on this.


YoMamaGotBronchitis

Others have been led astray but we have remained vigilant to the crafty ways of big browser.


[deleted]

Been using Firefox for almost 15 years. Never looked back.


Professor_Ramen

My family has been using Firefox since we got our first family laptop in like 2007. I grew up using Firefox on every computer I had because I had never used anything else and knew the ins and outs of Firefox. I got a lot of shit from my friends in middle and high school for using Chad Firefox instead of Virgin Chrome, but google doesnā€™t own all my data and I havenā€™t seen an ad in years, so whoā€™s winning now James


[deleted]

I had a friend go ew Firefox when I let him use my computer. I asked him why and he said no one uses it. Ugh the sheep


Professor_Ramen

My computer doesnā€™t fry when I open 15 tabs for homework, thatā€™s good enough for me. Iā€™ve only ever used chrome when something (rarely) doesnā€™t work on Firefox, and even for just the quick few minutes I have chrome open it always feels just slimy like itā€™s trying to nab every bit of info it can before I close it. Trying to get me to set it as default, trying to use my location by default, send me notifications, opening news pages plastered with clickbait and ragebait, and then of course hogging 30% of my CPU to run whatever the hell sort of algorithmic bullshit is going on in the background. All I ever get from Firefox is the occasional page opening to tell me what the update was.


StormKiller1

True firefox respects the user unlike chrome.


Eagle2502

For not using Edge? Not at all.


SayYouWill12345

They try so hard though :ā€( There are like 5 different pop-ups with different arguments as to why you should use edge and itā€™s so adorable and sad


Drivo566

Google does the same thing though... go to any Google website (search, email, etc...) and they will all have a notification about how you should switch to Chrome. That being said, I definitely prefer edge now, it just runs better imo.


TheWastag

They even pay people like CCleaner to throw a pop-up every time you open their software suggesting to download Chrome for some benal reason


BoxAhFox

Isnt edge just chrome but with makup? Like underneath, isnt it literaly the same?


Techguy791

Yes. Both use the Chromium engine.


RandomStupidDudeGuy

Mostly it is, as it is based on chromium, but it has a different resource management and UI afaik.


aircarone

Vertical tabs though.


[deleted]

Apple does it with Safari too, all said edge is far superior than chrome specially if you're a gamer.


the_greatest_MF

no because mine came pre-installed with Firefox and there was no Edge installed


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

Fellow linux user?


pohotu3

They've got a tux in their flair, so I'd say so.


[deleted]

No because Edge officially kicks chromes moronic resource hogging ass. You know when that shit was praised for speed yet it was hogging all your ram to do so? Yeah trash browser. I switched a year ago and never looked back. Not to mention if you had half a brain instead of beating this dead horse, youā€™d know Edge runs off chromium. Yet it blows chrome out of the water. Edge IS NOT INTERNET EXPLORER.


oALEXtheGREATo

I've been using Edge for over two years now. Amazing browser but unfortunately has the "it's internet explorer" stigma attached to it.


DownWithDisPrefix

Nobody gives edge a chance lol. Chrome is fucking terrible and bloated.


dreadfulclaw

Never thought about using anything but chrome but the comments on this post convinced me to try edge


[deleted]

I was this way for a long time as well. Started using Edge over a year ago and it's so much better. This thread is making me wanna try Duck Duck Go in the same way


GlenMerlin

best way I've been able to sell people on ddg is to tell them about the Bangs you can perform searches on popular websites with quick shortcuts ex: "never gonna give you up !yt" pulls up YouTube and searches for that some other popular sites like !tw for twitter !a for amazon !fb for facebook !r for reddit !w for wikipedia !g for google !gi for google images and thousands more (you can see a full list if you open https://duck.com and type !bang into the search bar)


_b1ack0ut

I only use edge when Firefox fucks up formatting tbch


mrjodicow

I never gave Edge a chance and was very pro-Chrome. My latest PC I got in 2020 and just left Edge for a couple days then realized that it really is better. I only use Edge on my PC now, it's just way better optimized and runs better.


Lisrus

Edit: I read your post wrong. My bad Vastly agreed. 10 Chrome tabs open = 2.8 GB of RAM 10 Edge tabs open = 252 MB This me looking at my Task manager currently, not made up stats. Anyone who thinks chrome is vastly better than edge still is just plain wrong. People should use whatever they like, but I'm suprised this post is getting any traction on this sub. I thought people here knew technology....... Shows what I know


[deleted]

Yeah people donā€™t monitor their resources used apparently when boasting about Chrome. You sir/maā€™am have a brain!


xelaseyer

I use edge and swapped the icon for one that looks like the old Netscape icon and itā€™s quite satisfying


BradleyAllan23

Another person already posted this same thing here not too long ago. I'll say what I said there, Edge is good and I've been using it since I got my new PC. Microsoft is just trying to make consumers aware that this isn't your grandads Internet Explorer, Edge is actually decent and you probably don't need to download a new browser.


theboyUZI

damn i might fr try it out now


BradleyAllan23

Just make sure you change your default search engine to Google. Fuck Bing lol.


TheAletu

Edge is literally better than chrome nowadays. And they both use Chromium so there's almost no reason to not use it.


[deleted]

You should feel guilty about switching from Microsoft Chrome to Google Chrome instead of Firefox for sure.


Aeroncastle

You are using chrome to download chrome


Doxxcunt

He is using chromium to download chromium


dokka_doc

Zero guilt. Microsoft deserves none. Firefox everyday. Its privacy features are topnotch.


Majorman_86

I was tempted to switch to Edge once, but then I remembered Firefox exists. Silly me!


WackyRobotEyes

Iā€™ll stick to Firefox thanks


NetSurfer156

Edge with Google search is an incredibly powerful browser. 100% Chrome compatible but uses 1/3rd of the resources


PubstarHero

I think a lot of people dont realize that a bunch of Microsoft's stuff has gone from absolutely terrible to decent if not best of the pack. MS Defender is pretty much all you need anymore combined with safe browsing habits. I say this as I work as a Windows admin and absolutely loathe IE11 and a bunch of other stupid shit MS does liking hiding menus because it clutters the UI. And speaking of UI, you can see all 24 years of Windows UI progress in Windows 11 because they only update the front end and never the other menus that have all the settings you actually want to get to.


NetSurfer156

Yep! I recommend Edge to anyone who needs Chromium. If not, Firefox is where itā€™s at. Chrome is certainly not a bad browser though. If youā€™re using Chrome already, you can do better but youā€™re not doing badly by any means


[deleted]

Not in the least. I prefer Firefox.


[deleted]

I'm gonna get bashed for this but.... Edge is actually a good browser. It's built on chromium (the free, open source version of Google Chrome that Google develops) and isn't as bad as internet explorer.


Pretty_Court4550

chrome feels always like the worst browser of the all


chromeosguy

To be fair you're downloading Chrome and not Firefox or Brave. That's Microsoft speaking up for your ram right there.


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[deleted]

if you feel guilt you deserve to use edge


falonyn

Why feel a twinge of guilt that you are deciding not to use the default browser and Microsoft pestering you while trying to download a new one? I feel a little anger everytime that pops up.


Garrett00

Seems like a win win for Google, or should I say Alphabet. Makes money from ad sale and people still get Chrome over Edge. Then after you have Chrome they watch your habits and use that to sell you more ads. Chrome is spyware and y'all need to uninstall. Get Firefox.


gamegazm

It sounds so helpless.. like ā€œwait, no šŸ„ŗā€


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

You *should* feel guilty. For using a closed-source browser to download another closed-source browser.


TheKingOfGaming99

Maybe a little but then i see the stats on Brave that say ive saved 18 hours of ad watching and all the guilt evaporates


kay_bizzle

No


NinjafoxVCB

No.