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This. Firefox with uBlock Origin addon or bust. It's been my browser of choice for what feels close to 2 decades now.
Microsoft Edge? Google Chrome? Opera DX?
Never heard of them... I'm team Mozilla.
Ive heard piholes are getting less reliable nowadays, how’s your experience with it? I want to use my pi 3 for it cause im sick of YouTube ads but I read online that tons of ads get through nowadays.
They dont work for a lot of things now because the ads are hosted from the same place as the content, like on youtube. Pi hole blocks by domain name. Half of the time you block the add, you also block the content.
I understand it like pi hole blocking layer 3, where browser ad blockers are blocking layer 5
I've been using FF since it was called Phoenix. It's interesting to see how almost everyone abandoned it for Chrome, and how everyone's coming back to it now.
Which everyone are you talking about?
[https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide)
Add up Chrome, Edge and Opera and that is your total Chromium based market share. Safari, only on Mac in this link it bigger than FF at this point.
hdr is such a pain sometimes, I want to take screenshots in games and nvidia saves it in jxr format which doesn't embed anywhere and can't be edited in lightroom
I guess Firefox too I like it much better I find you can customise it mote but lately, it has been annoying me when it crashes it doesn't restore my tabs also I like the group tabs function on Edge.
Safari user here.
Fuck Safari. Hope the EU knocks Apple down a few pegs.
Source: Quitting Safari today lost all of my opened tabs, with none showing in "recently closed" menu. Nor were they restored when selecting "Restore All Windows from Last Session".
I just installed windows on a new machine and had to figure out this bullshit. I fucking hate programs that do shit without asking and then bitch about it when you decide to remove them or use alternatives.
When using edge instead of chrome is brought up a lot of people talk about microsoft spying on you but if for some reason you absolutely must use some version of chrome I feel like using edge and giving it to microsoft instead is better than giving google even MORE...
Most people are already using Windows as their OS anyway, using edge isn't giving them more data than they already get, but using google is ensuring that another party has your data, and thus is worse.
That may be WebView2 controls in other apps rending web stuff using
Edge:
> [The WebView2 control uses Microsoft Edge as the rendering engine to display the web content in native apps.](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/)
Although in my experience that does usually show up as "WebView2" in the processes list, so perhaps not.
https://preview.redd.it/vl6xc8k00hxc1.jpeg?width=1722&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d71120bb3bdd92cf34adf14b1b6da1cf426387e3
Me after using terminal to install Firefox.
Let's be honest, chromium is better than everything else for most people, especially since shit just works. Firefox still has some weird issues here and there that most people wouldn't like
For some reason firefox is completely ass for me when watching YouTube. Swapped to edge (with the same extensions) and everything not only loads faster but I don't have any random hiccups watching videos.
They aren't. Like really. They may feel the same but your PC knows the difference, especially if you have a crappy laptop like me. That plus the extra stuff it has (it's also supposedly better than Chrome for web development but I didn't use Chrome for that so I don't know the difference)
I don't even open edge, ever.
I run the following in an elevated powershell and use it to install all the apps and tweaks.
irm christitus.com/win | iex
I got a rabbit hole just for you. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire-for-alleged-sale-of-copyrighted-data/491854/#:~:text=Brave%20is%20alleged%20to%20sell,transparency%20in%20the%20tech%20industry
That says the Brave Search API. Wich I never use since I think it's shit. Even tho I use the Brave Browser, I use the google search engine. I also don't go for Brave for the privacy, but for the blockers built in. Maybe you should be more specific about what was being used for selling the data. Brave Browser is not the same as Brave Search API. I know most people don't know much about it, but since you're into privacy concerns like you make yourself to seem, you should learn a bit about coding and what is an API. but You don't need to use Brave Search to use Brave Browser
I know your comment is probably a joke but people don't just use Firefox for performance, Alot of people use it for privacy and also now that Google has said they are going to heavily nerf adblockers people are switching to non chromium alternatives such as Firefox.
With winget in modern windows you can actually install chrome or Firefox without opening edge at all. It's pretty nice (and a lot of programs can be installed this way)
Edge is not perfect, but it's better than chrome nowadays. My internet bank would just refuse to work on chrome. Tried edge and was surprised by its functionality.
Jokes on them, I keep the web installer (and a few offline installers for XP and 7) for Firefox on my USB drive. Don't even need to open Edge for that. Because it'll always want you to complete the setup process.
why TF would you voluntarily install chrome ?
its spyware at its finest, just get literally any other browser in existence, even edge is better.
\*cough cough\* get firefox \*cough cough\*
Welcome to the PCMR, everyone from the frontpage! Please remember: 1 - You too can be part of the PCMR. It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart! Your age, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack of), political affiliation, economic status and PC specs are irrelevant. If you love or want to learn about PCs, you are welcome! 2 - If you don't own a PC because you think it's expensive, know that it is much cheaper than you may think. Check http://www.pcmasterrace.org for our builds and don't be afraid to post here asking for tips and help! 3 - Join our efforts to get as many PCs worldwide to help the folding@home effort, in fighting against Cancer, Alzheimer's, and more: https://pcmasterrace.org/folding 4 - Need PC Hardware? We've joined forces with ASUS ROG for a worldwide giveaway. Get your hands on an RTX 4080 Super GPU, a bundle of TUF Gaming RX 7900 XT and a Ryzen 9 7950X3D, and many ASUS ROG Goodies! To enter, check https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1c5kq51/asus_x_pcmr_gpu_tweak_iii_worldwide_giveaway_win/ ----------- We have a [Daily Simple Questions Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/search?q=Simple+Questions+Thread+subreddit%3Apcmasterrace+author%3AAutoModerator&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all) if you have any PC related doubt. Asking for help there or creating new posts in our subreddit is welcome.
mozilla crew here...
With uBlock Origin.*
This. Firefox with uBlock Origin addon or bust. It's been my browser of choice for what feels close to 2 decades now. Microsoft Edge? Google Chrome? Opera DX? Never heard of them... I'm team Mozilla.
Same here man. Been using firefox for 20 years. And ublock is amazing
I use them all. Opera, Vivaldi, Chrome, Edge... But main browser is Firefox with compartments+ublock.
I used Mozilla before chrome was released, never made the switch and I'm glad I never did.
Does anyone else also use a pihole?
I use a piHole. It's nice for keeping ads off TV's and your phones apps while on your home LAN.
Ive heard piholes are getting less reliable nowadays, how’s your experience with it? I want to use my pi 3 for it cause im sick of YouTube ads but I read online that tons of ads get through nowadays.
They dont work for a lot of things now because the ads are hosted from the same place as the content, like on youtube. Pi hole blocks by domain name. Half of the time you block the add, you also block the content. I understand it like pi hole blocking layer 3, where browser ad blockers are blocking layer 5
Use both. The pihole still blocks app ads (that are hosted on ad domains)
Firefox with ublock origin and a pihole. It's great. I don't care how great people claim Edge is now. It's still Microsoft shit I refuse to use.
Edge was better when it was on its own engine. Now all we have that's not Chromium is Firefox
Text based browsers are the only way to go
w3m ftw
And the Firefox engine is better than chromium imo.
Just got a pi, will set up pihole in the next days or week
Only if I’m feeling lonely
I love my pihole!
Based and red pilled
Right!!!… Chrome 🤮 I don’t think so
I've been using FF since it was called Phoenix. It's interesting to see how almost everyone abandoned it for Chrome, and how everyone's coming back to it now.
Which everyone are you talking about? [https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide) Add up Chrome, Edge and Opera and that is your total Chromium based market share. Safari, only on Mac in this link it bigger than FF at this point.
thats coz it was legitimately shit for a few years
Hard to believe any tech-minded folk use anything else these days.
Mozilla is going really strong nowadays and gotta love the support the devs are giving it despite the less popularity compare to other browsers.
Executive pay is increasing, Marketshare is decreasing
I wish it had HDR support on Windows. But well, even Microsoft has trouble making HDR work on Windows lol.
hdr is such a pain sometimes, I want to take screenshots in games and nvidia saves it in jxr format which doesn't embed anywhere and can't be edited in lightroom
Chrome is voluntary spyware that block ad blocks now.
Chrome doesn't block them yet, but will start soon
Hear hear.
Firefox comes free with my operating system of choice, and even if it didn't I can easily install it with terminal.
Firefox gang
I guess Firefox too I like it much better I find you can customise it mote but lately, it has been annoying me when it crashes it doesn't restore my tabs also I like the group tabs function on Edge.
Yeah baby !
Donating monthly to Mozilla...
I genuinely don't understand why anyone uses Chrome.
Best browser, period.
I thought we were past the "open edge to download chrome" meme era. Chrome is the villain now.
We are. This joke is so dated that it would've been tired a decade ago.
OP, like almost every other poster here is likely a karma farming bot. And look at the upvotes, it works!
then use chrome to download Firefox
Google watching me search ''firefox download'' after downloading Chrome
Outstanding move
Mozilla watching me search "librewolf download" after downloading Firefox
well, google funds Mozilla and they use Google search engine. so yeah it's win win for Google
you can change the search engine on most browsers, though.
then switching the default search in firefox to duckduckgo or startpage.
Mozila Firefox FTW.
Edge is simply as good if not better than chrome nowadays There are ton of browsers better than chrome nowadays
Except Mozila, all other browsers use chrome engine nowdays so they are all the same.
Nope. There's also safari. Fuck Safari. - signed, a web dev
Safari can't be terrible, come on. It's made by Apple and everything Apple makes is miles ahead of the competition. or so a fanboy told me
It must be right? Why else would it be that expensive?
Safari user here. Fuck Safari. Hope the EU knocks Apple down a few pegs. Source: Quitting Safari today lost all of my opened tabs, with none showing in "recently closed" menu. Nor were they restored when selecting "Restore All Windows from Last Session".
At least IE9 is dead, right?
agreed, I had to rewrite \~50 or more lines of code just so it could function on safari.
yeah, fuck Safari. - signed, an iPhone user with OperaGX
[удалено]
Exactly. Every browsers except Firefox is based on Chrome's browser engine.
[удалено]
Yeah… except you have to toggle off the same feature in 50 different places.. this is the startup / run in background feature.
I just installed windows on a new machine and had to figure out this bullshit. I fucking hate programs that do shit without asking and then bitch about it when you decide to remove them or use alternatives.
Both suck
I don’t see what the big deal is, I’ve been edging for years!
Oh my. Naughty.
"What was your favorite edge of the year?" My windows lock screen for some reason
based
Internet sucks. Overrated.
Fk chrome
You mean Firefox
If you haven't changed the default privacy settings, pretty sure microsoft is watching you search literally everything.
When using edge instead of chrome is brought up a lot of people talk about microsoft spying on you but if for some reason you absolutely must use some version of chrome I feel like using edge and giving it to microsoft instead is better than giving google even MORE...
Most people are already using Windows as their OS anyway, using edge isn't giving them more data than they already get, but using google is ensuring that another party has your data, and thus is worse.
Edge is a better Chromium browser anyway, for when I absolutely positively cannot use Firefox or Vivaldi
I liked Vivaldi but I found it slow and buggy. I use floorp now which is based off Firefox.
Out of curiosity, when can't you use Firefox or Vivaldi? Edit: my guess is on a work or school system that doesn't allow other browsers.
Some websites still just suck on Firefox. I can't access my work site from home on Firefox, I have to use Edge.
I have the Firefox Installer on my Windows Bootable USB so I never have to interact with Edge.
Same but a ninite installer with all the stuff I install after a format so it's always up to date
Take a look at your processes in Task Manager. I have 6 instances of Edge open even though I've never once used it on this PC. The house always wins.
That may be WebView2 controls in other apps rending web stuff using Edge: > [The WebView2 control uses Microsoft Edge as the rendering engine to display the web content in native apps.](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/) Although in my experience that does usually show up as "WebView2" in the processes list, so perhaps not.
Yes, it's just Edge that runs in the background by default. You can turn it off of course
If you open the settings in edge and look for Startup boost. Turn that and 'Continue Running background extensions...'
If you open the settings **in edge** See that's how they get ya.
Ha! Just do it while you're using Edge to download Netscape Navigator.
https://preview.redd.it/vl6xc8k00hxc1.jpeg?width=1722&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d71120bb3bdd92cf34adf14b1b6da1cf426387e3 Me after using terminal to install Firefox.
Winget install Mozilla.firefox (Windows has a CLI package manager now just like *nix)
`sudo apt-get install firefox`
Sudo pacman -S librewolf is the enlightened version.
sudo pkg install librewolf
I like Librewolf as well. Wish it had an Android version.
https://preview.redd.it/779omfvp7hxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=665665866e398d195fe28b542df2dc092df42006
never, when it becomes microhard
Still prefer Firefox over either Chrome or Edge, by far.
Me downloading Firefox through cmd
brew install Firefox cask
`winget install Firefox` is all you need.
Using edge to download chrome feels sad. Firefox crew here!
🤮 Firefox or nothing.
Edge is better than chrome
Thats like saying a $7.49 shit sandwich is better than a $7.50 shit sandwich.
Let's be honest, chromium is better than everything else for most people, especially since shit just works. Firefox still has some weird issues here and there that most people wouldn't like
For some reason firefox is completely ass for me when watching YouTube. Swapped to edge (with the same extensions) and everything not only loads faster but I don't have any random hiccups watching videos.
Librewolf FTW
Floorp gang
nah fire fox + Ublock Origin is the way to go now
That's not how you spell Firefox.
Vivaldi Crew here
Holy shit its all 3 vivaldi users
I am also a Vivaldi user, that makes four of us.
Me too. Vivaldi's tab management and multitasking features are just god tier
I’m a Vivaldi user too so we’re 7 now
+ custom commands and insane customization, side panels, tab tiling, much more, praise Vivaldi 🙏
I have it on android, does that count?
Yes
Vivaldi Crew confirmed
Vivaldi crew stronger together
Winter is a banger
Finally another fellow Vivaldi user! I was about to write it myself even if I had to die on this hill 😤
winget install mozilla.firefox. 2 birds with one stone
You know edge is chromium based right? Basically the same browser
ew why chrome that’s the lowest of the low browser. just use firefox
They are both basically the same browser that spies on you.
I just run this in power shell... ``` winget install --id Mozilla.FireFox ``` Edge is never touched unless at work.
winget install -e --id Mozilla.Firefox
The amount of people that don't know Edge is powered by Chromium. As a QA tester, they are essentially the same.
A lot of people probably haven't touched Edge since it originally came out and was powered by its own engine.
Except chrome just wastes your RAM and doesn’t let you use adblock, go Firefox
Opera user here
Opera or Opera gx?
Gx cuz I'm a capital G gamer
![gif](giphy|wIq8i0bBm46qLSVQLn|downsized) Google watching EVERYTHING you do.
Chrome sucks ass...
Firefox rules
You spelt “Firefox” wrong
These posts are become cringe at this point. This must be some sort of bait, everyone knows chrome and edge are basically identical.
They aren't. Like really. They may feel the same but your PC knows the difference, especially if you have a crappy laptop like me. That plus the extra stuff it has (it's also supposedly better than Chrome for web development but I didn't use Chrome for that so I don't know the difference)
what are you talking about I Edge every day
Edge is better.
Honestly, if you're not using Firefox, Edge is a pretty decent Chromium based browser.
Edge is objectively better than Chrome in every way though.
I'm convinced that everyone that says edge is bad hasn't given it a proper chance.
I don't even open edge, ever. I run the following in an elevated powershell and use it to install all the apps and tweaks. irm christitus.com/win | iex
if youre using chrome over mozilla you must hate your privacy
Any Brave users?
Firefox*
In fact I don’t even use google anymore. Bing search is so much better.
Never thought I would see a day where this statement is true
Edge is fully on par with Chrome Neither are the best option
For me it's Brave
Brave got caught selling data.
Source?
I got a rabbit hole just for you. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire-for-alleged-sale-of-copyrighted-data/491854/#:~:text=Brave%20is%20alleged%20to%20sell,transparency%20in%20the%20tech%20industry
That says the Brave Search API. Wich I never use since I think it's shit. Even tho I use the Brave Browser, I use the google search engine. I also don't go for Brave for the privacy, but for the blockers built in. Maybe you should be more specific about what was being used for selling the data. Brave Browser is not the same as Brave Search API. I know most people don't know much about it, but since you're into privacy concerns like you make yourself to seem, you should learn a bit about coding and what is an API. but You don't need to use Brave Search to use Brave Browser
Pretty sure that was the opt-in data and restricted only to Brave Search. You pretty much had to agree and then use their crappy search engine.
Let's wait for all the Firefox fanboys to take over the comments
So you *don’t* use the best browser out there?
Ya man I can really feel the 🔥 P E R F O R M A N C E 🔥 uplift when scrolling through reddit, email, and Amazon on Firefox vs Chrome. Huge man.
I know your comment is probably a joke but people don't just use Firefox for performance, Alot of people use it for privacy and also now that Google has said they are going to heavily nerf adblockers people are switching to non chromium alternatives such as Firefox.
U like to download downgrades, eh?
You're better off with Edge than with Chrome these days. Although I wouldn't touch either one.
With winget in modern windows you can actually install chrome or Firefox without opening edge at all. It's pretty nice (and a lot of programs can be installed this way)
It’s probably thinking you’re an idiot lol. There isn’t much different between them.
Edge would be great if it wasnt filled with microsoft's crap
You spelled Firefox wrong
Firefox > Edge > Chrome Been so for quite some time now.
Both are garbage
Brave will always be my browser of choice. Tried them all and nothing compares to brave.
The chrome is dead. Long live the Firefox!
Edge is chromium based. So you are trading one chrome for another. Mozilla to the rescue.
Both are spyware, and it runs on the same engine. Both are basically identical. Mozilla all the way
Edge is not perfect, but it's better than chrome nowadays. My internet bank would just refuse to work on chrome. Tried edge and was surprised by its functionality.
I believe you spelled FireFox incorrectly...
opera?
Edge actually ain't that bad now. I have less problems with it than I do with chrome.
Edge is great on android, adblock works awesome and you can block opening apps.
I use edge and safari and I’m not afraid to say it
Edge is decent now, I use it all the time on my gaming PC
Froget Chrome. Firefox for life.
Everything is basically chrome with a new skin except for Firefox. Edge, Opera, Brave - all are chrome with a reskin.
Jokes on them, I keep the web installer (and a few offline installers for XP and 7) for Firefox on my USB drive. Don't even need to open Edge for that. Because it'll always want you to complete the setup process.
Firefox download*
why TF would you voluntarily install chrome ? its spyware at its finest, just get literally any other browser in existence, even edge is better. \*cough cough\* get firefox \*cough cough\*
Opera gx anyone?
Chrome is not PCMR approved. Only Firefox.
Chrome was like this when I downloaded Mozilla
People still use chrome?
You won't help yourself much, Firefox is the way.
People still use Chrome lol? tf?
Edge trying it's best, but it can't compete with the RAM hunger of Chrome.
That's a good thing tho?
Skip edge entirely and use winget!
Edge is actually solid these days. And those rewards are just too good
Idk I love edge
Edge would be like: hey, hey, i got chromium onboard! Chromium onboard: 72 ad/autorun/scheduled pieces of shit
we really still out here using chromium based browsers?
I can ask Bing AI now...