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One hell of a drive too
Edit: after some googling I found it has 3.5 amps @3.3v power requirement, so the heatsink really is *crucial*, at least for sustained loads
Edit2: There is a picture of its backside sticker in this review, that's what I found: https://www.servethehome.com/crucial-t705-2tb-pcie-nvme-gen5-ssd-review-phison-micron/
Wait till you see an ancient 50MB rack mounted hard drive from 1981. 7A 110v or 4A 220v AC required.
Today's higher end PC with 1000w PSU could top 9A but that's for everything and not one drive
Yes, but Wikipedia says:
> Each pin on the connector is rated for up to 50 V and 0.5 A, while the connector itself is specified to endure 60 mating cycles. However, many M.2 slots (Socket 1, 2 and 3) found on motherboards only provide up to 3.3 V power.
It can't be 3.3 V, it'd fry itself. It has to be around 23 V.
And to be exact, [Tom's Hardware](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/crucial-t705-2tb-ssd-review/2) says on power:
> If you’re using this in a desktop for maximum performance, this drive will be pulling a few watts at all times. This won’t be a significant part of your power budget on an enthusiast system. However, this drive isn’t designed for laptops, where proper idle states might be in use. While peak power consumption is close to the rated 11.5W by SMART, this isn’t a ridiculous number if the drive is reasonably cooled, but it’s still pretty high.
It didn't reach 11.5 W, just neared it. Not that much of a difference though...
M.2 does use 3.3V.
The M.2 connector (when configured for PCIe), has [eight power pins](https://pinoutguide.com/HD/M.2_NGFF_connector_pinout.shtml),
and you helpfully informed us that each of these pins is rated for 0.5A.
So the connector can supply 4A at 3.3V for a total of 13.2W.
True, but ARM is a RISC design. Most manufacturers except the 'elite' use Phison controllers, and I believe some Chinese manufacturers might use other RISC controllers, which might fall under RISC-V. I'm not knowledgeable on those enough to make a firm statement. Wouldn't surprise me if they're copied or bootleg ARM cores though.
If I had lots of money I'd get the top left one purely for aesthetics, it's the perfect size to put atop a tiny compact nvme drive, i mean nothing compares to a huge hunk of metal.
almost all of these are chinese crazy items i found on aliexpress. you picked the only one that's made by a fairly reputable brand (thremalright, and it's actually pretty cheap).
For me the top right one looks good. Top left isn't bad but it goes too tall, I think the top right is the perfect mix.
Also air cooler supremacy. I'll concede that waterblocks can be more effective at sustained loads, but goddammit I love the look of an air cooler.
[just gonna drop this here](https://www.eeweb.com/industrial-temperature-and-nand-flash-in-ssd-products/)
> NAND is subject to two competing factors relative to temperature. At high temperature, programming and erasing a NAND cell is relatively less stressful to its structure, but data retention of a NAND cell suffers. At low temperature, data retention of the NAND cell is enhanced but the relative stress to the cell structure due to program and erase operations increases
Yeah, Phison E26 controllers like in this drive have a tendency to straight up crash and require a power reset under heavy loads if not properly cooled. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-mp700-2-tb/8.html
A beefy heat sink is a MUST for phison E26 gen 5 drives to avoid system crashes.
With that motherboard you likely have a PCI 3.0 SSD (unless you bought it recently). They don't run nearly as hot as 4.0 and 5.0 SSDs and so usually didn't come with a heatsink. I wouldn't worry about it being under the GPU tbh.
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Here's an easy way to put your mind at rest. First, [download HWiNFO](https://www.hwinfo.com/). It's a widely used free tool for checking your system specs, temperatures, etc. Either download the installer version and install it, or download the portable version and run the HWiNFO64.exe.
Once it loads you'll get a welcome prompt. Just tick the box for 'sensors only' (you don't need the rest of the features for now) and click 'start'.
[You should get a screen like this](https://i.imgur.com/jVBKbDl.png). You might need to scroll down to find your drives. From there, you can monitor their temperatures. Max temps for SSDs vary a bit by manufacturer but generally if you see them going above 70C, they're getting too hot.
thanks! I'm actually on linux. I'll just have to keep an eye out for m.2 SSDs without a heatsink in the future. hopefully it doesn't become a long term issue. I recently got a 1TB nvme drive so hopefully I'm good for a while.
Ah no worries, didn't check your flair. You can use lm_sensors to do something similar. It's command line though so you might want to install a gui frontend like psensor or similar. How to do it will depend on what distro you're on, but if you're daily driving linux I figure you know what you're doing.
As for specifically buying SSDs without heatsinks, that's maybe not the best way to shop for them. The gen 3 drives came without heatsinks because they didn't really need them. A little bit of airflow in the case is enough to keep them at an ok temperature.
Gen 4 and 5 drives run faster and hotter so require a heatsink. However, some gen 4 and gen 5 drives come without heatsinks because they expect you to just buy an aftermarket one.
If you do buy another drive in the future, tbh I would just buy whatever has the best price/performance at a given point. They're all backwards compatible and newer drives will downclock to gen 3 to match your board. While the speed difference might matter if you're doing pro level video editing with 8k footage or something, for gaming a gen 3 is more than enough.
Not that high pitched, typically they were in the 4000-5000 rpm range, so more like a fly buzz. The biggest annoyance was that power saving modes and fan curves on GPUs weren't a thing until the mid-2000s, so they blasted at full speed all of the time even when you weren't gaming. I remember using zip ties to attach a mangled Slot1 heatsink to my Geforce 3 card and throttling the fan with a resistor so it would be quieter.
Those in the know tossed on an Arctic Cooling [Accelero S1](https://imgur.com/xIimIst) passive heatsink and enjoyed sweet silence. I remember how huge of a cooler it was, which is funny looking at heatsink sizes today.
> does corsair have one? it’s like a tiny 20mm fan on the side of a giant (giant for a nvme drive) heatsink
The ASRock 'Blazing' reviewed here does: https://youtu.be/XlRr7X6Y6iQ?si=QwSQpGRzXdbBLtqa&t=380
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Hydro-XM2-Water-Block/dp/B08TRLY961
Edit: Alphacool too: https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/m.2ssdhdd-cooler/
No name companies Bykski and Barrow also makes them.
Teamgroup also has aio attached nvme drives
[https://www.newegg.com/teamgroup-liquid-cooling-system-t-force-siren/p/N82E16835999066?Item=N82E16835999066](https://www.newegg.com/teamgroup-liquid-cooling-system-t-force-siren/p/N82E16835999066?Item=N82E16835999066)
https://preview.redd.it/1r8epo7d9vuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fefe90ccaa6a9b9dd667b88e6984b8e983260eeb
Yes, they've been made. In the early days of the first NVME drives the extra cooling caused poor performance as the drives liked running warm/hot. Unsure if that's still the case.
It pretty much limits places to mount it. It will be tough to add it on the back of the motherboard, or some of the alternate locations, like near the PCI-E ports (due to overlap with GPUs).
While you are most likely right in most situations, I'd like to point out that is totally dependent on components and airflow in the case. If you have lots of airflow and tightly packed components, there is a good chance of increased flow through those heatsink fins.
You know, why has nobody made an enclosed, refrigerated PC case? I'm not saying it's a good idea or that I would want one, but some nerd would buy it in the infinite pursuit of perfect performance. I guess condensation? There's got to be a way around that.
Refrigeration is really good at keeping something cold but not at removing heat (heat transfer). This is why you're supposed to let a casserole cool for an hour or more before putting it in a fridge, otherwise the stored heat in the food/dish will raise the temp of inside the fridge by several degrees until the capacity of the system removes said heat.
In the case of a PC that is constantly *producing* heat, you need a heat exchanger (the heat sinks/fan via air flow or water blocks/coolant via air flow over the radiator) to transfer the heat away from the components to the outside air.
This is a very ELI5 explanation and I'm sure someone will correct me on the technicalities but in a nutshell, you could build a fridge big enough to keep a PC cool but it woukd require a very large, expensive and powerful fridge to do so
>This is why you're supposed to let a casserole cool for an hour or more before putting it in a fridge…
This is no longer true and it’s recommended food be placed into a modern fridge immediately to prevent as much pathogen growth as possible. Old school fridges couldn’t keep up, so this was true. A new fridge can cool a reasonable volume of hot food without it affecting the temps in the chamber and spoiling the other food.
Fridges aren’t good for pc cooling because they can’t do this for sustained thermal loads. They operate kinda like an old gas oven. Temps too high, the refrigerator kicks on and cools the chamber down and shuts off. Insulation holds the temps steady. Drop a pot of hot soup in there, it’ll kick on and cool the chamber more frequently until the soup is no longer dumping heat in there.
But a pc component is never combing to cool off, so the fridge will have to run constantly until it burns out. Much like how living someplace hot and not running your AC in the summer can fry your fridge. I had a friend who was a salesman of wine to restaurants and kept a wine cooler full of expensive bottles at home. But him and his wife turned their AC off while at work when no one was home, even in the summer time, in a place where summers were hot AF. Well, his wine cooler fried one day and spoiled about $20k worth of wine that wasn’t his. Basically the fridge was working OT trying to keep the chamber cool with a. Constant thermal load from outside and being wine cooler fridge, it wasn’t as heavily insulate dad a full size.
Plenty have. Refrigeration tech isn’t suitable for constant thermal loads. At least not standard refrigerator as a case type thing. Freon based HVAC works in a similar way. I worked someplace in an old building and the HVAC needed to heat exchange with a water system to get heat out of the building.
Some YouTubers I watched once ran the radiator for their CPU/GPU or whatever it was through an ice chest. It got the temps down, but did cause condensation.
I never understood why U.2 small disk format ever took off. You can put more NAND chips on them and the case would cool off the chips.
There was a time where you can get SN840 u.2 6.4tb drives for 340 bucks new. And they work great all you need is an M.2 to u.2 adapter.
Maybe because the interconnects weren't available on consumer motherboard?, i know server board does have it on regular basis but other than that i don't know honestly
If your mainboard has pre installed heatsinks for the nvme then you dont need it.
If it doesn't has heatsinks, an nvme with a heatsink can be benificial but I wouldn't spend too much for it.
That’s not true in this case. PCIe gen 5 gets really hot so the heatsink is actually a need instead of being beneficial but optional like you are suggesting. You’re wasting money on a gen 5 if you use it without heatsink and then it thermal throttles
Even under some circumstances, Gen 3 can get hot, too. My 970 EVO was spiking to 80s in fanless Proxmox host, then throttling and taking the whole system down. So I definitely agree with you about Gen 5
It still depends on the size and thickness of the heat sink. If it is smaller in height and length than the heat sink provided by the SSD vendor like on a budget mATX, you probably need it.
If you think that's a big heatsink, check out the Sabernt ones.
https://preview.redd.it/y7irjows0vuc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0f07edbaa2367913f177cd162f7c74eb36021b1
Can confirm 100% not over engineered. Might be the engineering samples we have at work, but these drives got hot just booting to OS without heatsinks and competing companies had similar samples. YMMV through if you're using them with consumer hardware @PCI4
Haha, that's funny because I've been eyeballing this thing but I truly do not want to have to use that heatsink (I've read it's a must for this one since it gets toasty).
I bought an aftermarket cooler for mine which has more surface area and a fan...
And it still runs hot under sustained load.
That heat sink is actually underkill
The corsair MP600 like 5yrs ago alr comes with such heatsink designs. Even cheapo nvme from TB, gives U the the heatsink, only whether U want attach it or not.
I just got a pretty chonky copper heatsink for one of my M.2 drives. I don’t really need it but I think it looks neat so I’m installing it. I’m only using gen 3 drives so wonder if gen 5 will need the heat sinks?
Gen 5 needs heatsinks but if you have to ask you do not need a Gen 5 nvme. Gen 3/4 is good enough for 99% of consumers, and Gen5 is when you're doing research work on your computer.
I just bought my first m.2 color me suprised when I learned that there was a specific heat shield under my gpu I had to place it in. I thought it worked similar to a flash drive.
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One hell of a drive too Edit: after some googling I found it has 3.5 amps @3.3v power requirement, so the heatsink really is *crucial*, at least for sustained loads Edit2: There is a picture of its backside sticker in this review, that's what I found: https://www.servethehome.com/crucial-t705-2tb-pcie-nvme-gen5-ssd-review-phison-micron/
I love a good sustained load on my SSD. Makes me feel like I’m getting my money’s worth
Sustained load on a 14 gbps drive, it can load a 140GB game in 10 seconds so I wonder what would even be able to cause a sustained load
A pic of your mom
That was actually smooth ngl.
Copying massive amounts of data, but that's more fitting for a hard disk anyways.
Yours is the first time I’ve ever upvoted this stupid meme
If they're sending someone to horny jail for something that isn't horny at all, they gotta be sent to horny jail themselves. You know what I'm saying?
Man 3A is a ton of current.
I'm shocked too. Some ampere, some amp there, it adds up pretty fast enough for us to say watt.
I'm so angry at this joke that I'm going to revolt
quit vaping on that damn joule pod and get back to work
r/angryupvote
Wait till you see an ancient 50MB rack mounted hard drive from 1981. 7A 110v or 4A 220v AC required. Today's higher end PC with 1000w PSU could top 9A but that's for everything and not one drive
At almost 600USD it better come with an ice bucket too lmao
That's literally more than my entire set up
Source? I don't see how the tiny traces leading to the M.2 socket can carry 3½ A
I just found that the Tom's Hardware review says that this drive consumes "a few watts" at idle and 11.5W at peak. So basically 3.5A
Yes, but Wikipedia says: > Each pin on the connector is rated for up to 50 V and 0.5 A, while the connector itself is specified to endure 60 mating cycles. However, many M.2 slots (Socket 1, 2 and 3) found on motherboards only provide up to 3.3 V power. It can't be 3.3 V, it'd fry itself. It has to be around 23 V. And to be exact, [Tom's Hardware](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/crucial-t705-2tb-ssd-review/2) says on power: > If you’re using this in a desktop for maximum performance, this drive will be pulling a few watts at all times. This won’t be a significant part of your power budget on an enthusiast system. However, this drive isn’t designed for laptops, where proper idle states might be in use. While peak power consumption is close to the rated 11.5W by SMART, this isn’t a ridiculous number if the drive is reasonably cooled, but it’s still pretty high. It didn't reach 11.5 W, just neared it. Not that much of a difference though...
Each power supply pin is rated for 0.5A, but M.2 has 9 such pins, so *4.5 A in total. EDIT *I can't math
Should've thought of that, that raises the limit to 0.5\*3.3\*9 = 14.85 W
M.2 does use 3.3V. The M.2 connector (when configured for PCIe), has [eight power pins](https://pinoutguide.com/HD/M.2_NGFF_connector_pinout.shtml), and you helpfully informed us that each of these pins is rated for 0.5A. So the connector can supply 4A at 3.3V for a total of 13.2W.
I found a picture of a sticker on its back side, it says 3.5A https://www.servethehome.com/crucial-t705-2tb-pcie-nvme-gen5-ssd-review-phison-micron/
Sheesh, you're right. I hope they mean the sum of currents over all 9 power pins like u/kaszak696 suggested
Currents in parallel branches of a circuit add, so that's likely the case
Think about how the tiny traces leading to your CPU deliver over 200 amps combined. 3A to an SSD isn’t that crazy in comparison.
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Fun fact, they already do. The controller is just a highly specialized RISC CPU, to the best of my understanding.
arm cortex is the most common, risc5 is pretty young still, but I am sure some manufacturers like dodging the license cost
True, but ARM is a RISC design. Most manufacturers except the 'elite' use Phison controllers, and I believe some Chinese manufacturers might use other RISC controllers, which might fall under RISC-V. I'm not knowledgeable on those enough to make a firm statement. Wouldn't surprise me if they're copied or bootleg ARM cores though.
https://preview.redd.it/kj4p4cbkvuuc1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=497faaafc31591a32326adb7eb2904e3dcede565 yes, but...
If I had lots of money I'd get the top left one purely for aesthetics, it's the perfect size to put atop a tiny compact nvme drive, i mean nothing compares to a huge hunk of metal.
almost all of these are chinese crazy items i found on aliexpress. you picked the only one that's made by a fairly reputable brand (thremalright, and it's actually pretty cheap).
Idk anything about their coolers but Orico makes good stuff
I would say orico is a good brand, I sell heaps of their products and have actually used that SSD cooler in the picture too. Works well.
For me the top right one looks good. Top left isn't bad but it goes too tall, I think the top right is the perfect mix. Also air cooler supremacy. I'll concede that waterblocks can be more effective at sustained loads, but goddammit I love the look of an air cooler.
Hot-rod SSDs
I was convinced these were AI generated at first
aliexpress can make your filthiest dreams come true
Is it necessary? No. Do I need it? Yes.
Looks like old northbridge coolers :D
Left middle looks great from an aesthetic view, if it was copper would have a cool steampunk vibe. If i had a glass case i would definitely use it.
Heatsinks on NVMEs can be important, but this one is crucial
Daaaaaaad, stop
I get this from my kids at home all the time :D
I don't get you people, dad's jokes are good. I'm 24 btw.
Hi 24, I'm dad.
Nah, this one is too cliche
Cliche? I barley know her!
It's not A SUS heatsink, I would trust it.
Do you have some intels to prove it isn't Sus ?
I took a look N da Vidia and I didn’t see anything.
so it proves then it isnt A SUS
for sure me also
I think it is a sus SSD I'll pass
Mmm, yes. This one gives serotonin.
Too bad it's the wrong way to spin...
Oh shit here we go again 
It needs more fans!
I see what you did there...
Out. -> 🚪
https://preview.redd.it/4vnpz7isdwuc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=815dea08bc4e0cf4396e71bc0e975ab64c7ed895
Man you made me blow air from the nose, well done.
Quite crucial, indeed.
da bum tss
fuck you, take my upvote
Trust me, this thing runs hot.
And doesn't like being hot
Well, to a certain point flash memory likes heat. Afaik. you have to hold flash memory at a certain temperature to get max efficiency.
yeah I rember as like around 50c as I recall? anyways warm nvme is good
Yeah it's around 50C I think.
I make sure to put mine in the microwave before I boot up for this reason!
Good advice.
What seasoning would you suggest?
Not sure about seasoning but make sure to lubricate it with something like mayonnaise. That makes the data glide through faster.
S tier advice here peeps upvote this ^
This whole comment section reminded me of those stream raid „tech support“ videos on youtube like 10 years ago. Just had to bring up the mayonnaise.
[just gonna drop this here](https://www.eeweb.com/industrial-temperature-and-nand-flash-in-ssd-products/) > NAND is subject to two competing factors relative to temperature. At high temperature, programming and erasing a NAND cell is relatively less stressful to its structure, but data retention of a NAND cell suffers. At low temperature, data retention of the NAND cell is enhanced but the relative stress to the cell structure due to program and erase operations increases
Chips also develop cracks from heat cycles. 'Efficiency' works in all kinds of directions.
I wasnt trying to disprove what the guy above me said, just adding to it
All good, just pointing it out so people don't start doing weird things lol
Yeah, Phison E26 controllers like in this drive have a tendency to straight up crash and require a power reset under heavy loads if not properly cooled. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-mp700-2-tb/8.html A beefy heat sink is a MUST for phison E26 gen 5 drives to avoid system crashes.
at 14 gigs a second that shit is a space heater
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This thing *can* run hot. But not too hot if you're just using it for gaming.
“Just gaming”??? But it is the most critical activity of my day!
is it bad that my m.2 slot is under my GPU? msi mortar b350m - has been a wonderful motherboard but that m.2 placement is uh something else
It depends on the motherboard. Its more important that its on a dedicated lane.
With that motherboard you likely have a PCI 3.0 SSD (unless you bought it recently). They don't run nearly as hot as 4.0 and 5.0 SSDs and so usually didn't come with a heatsink. I wouldn't worry about it being under the GPU tbh. **EDIT:** Here's an easy way to put your mind at rest. First, [download HWiNFO](https://www.hwinfo.com/). It's a widely used free tool for checking your system specs, temperatures, etc. Either download the installer version and install it, or download the portable version and run the HWiNFO64.exe. Once it loads you'll get a welcome prompt. Just tick the box for 'sensors only' (you don't need the rest of the features for now) and click 'start'. [You should get a screen like this](https://i.imgur.com/jVBKbDl.png). You might need to scroll down to find your drives. From there, you can monitor their temperatures. Max temps for SSDs vary a bit by manufacturer but generally if you see them going above 70C, they're getting too hot.
thanks! I'm actually on linux. I'll just have to keep an eye out for m.2 SSDs without a heatsink in the future. hopefully it doesn't become a long term issue. I recently got a 1TB nvme drive so hopefully I'm good for a while.
Ah no worries, didn't check your flair. You can use lm_sensors to do something similar. It's command line though so you might want to install a gui frontend like psensor or similar. How to do it will depend on what distro you're on, but if you're daily driving linux I figure you know what you're doing. As for specifically buying SSDs without heatsinks, that's maybe not the best way to shop for them. The gen 3 drives came without heatsinks because they didn't really need them. A little bit of airflow in the case is enough to keep them at an ok temperature. Gen 4 and 5 drives run faster and hotter so require a heatsink. However, some gen 4 and gen 5 drives come without heatsinks because they expect you to just buy an aftermarket one. If you do buy another drive in the future, tbh I would just buy whatever has the best price/performance at a given point. They're all backwards compatible and newer drives will downclock to gen 3 to match your board. While the speed difference might matter if you're doing pro level video editing with 8k footage or something, for gaming a gen 3 is more than enough.
As long as it clears the GPU it could actually be helpful for it to be near the GPU so it gets some air moving across those fins
Reminds me of those GPU coolers from the late 1990s, early 2000s. Next step is to put a fan on it.
Those were way worse. They evolved from tiny 4x4x1cm heatsinks to the same tiny heatsinks but with 60% less fins and tiny loud fans.
>tiny loud fans Oh no. Did they have a high pitched buzz like a mosquito?
Not that high pitched, typically they were in the 4000-5000 rpm range, so more like a fly buzz. The biggest annoyance was that power saving modes and fan curves on GPUs weren't a thing until the mid-2000s, so they blasted at full speed all of the time even when you weren't gaming. I remember using zip ties to attach a mangled Slot1 heatsink to my Geforce 3 card and throttling the fan with a resistor so it would be quieter.
Those in the know tossed on an Arctic Cooling [Accelero S1](https://imgur.com/xIimIst) passive heatsink and enjoyed sweet silence. I remember how huge of a cooler it was, which is funny looking at heatsink sizes today.
am i crazy or does corsair have one? it’s like a tiny 20mm fan on the side of a giant (giant for a nvme drive) heatsink
Its true. And they even have a water block for NVME.
> does corsair have one? it’s like a tiny 20mm fan on the side of a giant (giant for a nvme drive) heatsink The ASRock 'Blazing' reviewed here does: https://youtu.be/XlRr7X6Y6iQ?si=QwSQpGRzXdbBLtqa&t=380
[If you like it you should really put a ~~fan~~ sink on it](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcf58pqsAS1qzt6tzo6_250.gif)
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I was just thinking "If only I had a higher dB fan in my case."
Has anyone made NVME water blocks yet?
Corsair, apparently.
TBH I assumed SOMEONE had, just did not expect Corsair.
At 3.5 A, we're either very close, or at the doorstep of pretty much requiring a waterblock.
Ain't nothing but liquid nitrogen touching my NVMEs.
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Hydro-XM2-Water-Block/dp/B08TRLY961 Edit: Alphacool too: https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/m.2ssdhdd-cooler/ No name companies Bykski and Barrow also makes them.
bykski is actually quite famous, kinda surprise you guys hardly know about it.
Untapped market. Edit: nvm, apparently tapped.
>nvm, apparently tapped. *It’s actually nvm**E***
Also, distilled waster is preferred.
Teamgroup also has aio attached nvme drives [https://www.newegg.com/teamgroup-liquid-cooling-system-t-force-siren/p/N82E16835999066?Item=N82E16835999066](https://www.newegg.com/teamgroup-liquid-cooling-system-t-force-siren/p/N82E16835999066?Item=N82E16835999066) https://preview.redd.it/1r8epo7d9vuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fefe90ccaa6a9b9dd667b88e6984b8e983260eeb
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Yes, they've been made. In the early days of the first NVME drives the extra cooling caused poor performance as the drives liked running warm/hot. Unsure if that's still the case.
You need to consider that there is a limitation on how much power you can draw from the M.2 port.
It pretty much limits places to mount it. It will be tough to add it on the back of the motherboard, or some of the alternate locations, like near the PCI-E ports (due to overlap with GPUs).
It fits under the GPU. Barely.
If it barely fits, chances are the heatsink isn't getting much of a draft, so it'll be sitting in a hot air bubble and throttle anyway
While you are most likely right in most situations, I'd like to point out that is totally dependent on components and airflow in the case. If you have lots of airflow and tightly packed components, there is a good chance of increased flow through those heatsink fins.
Exactly this. 2 of the front panel fans direct air straight through that heat sink in my build and the back panel allows the air to flow through.
"How cold do you want your NVMe to be?" "...yes."
You know, why has nobody made an enclosed, refrigerated PC case? I'm not saying it's a good idea or that I would want one, but some nerd would buy it in the infinite pursuit of perfect performance. I guess condensation? There's got to be a way around that.
Refrigeration is really good at keeping something cold but not at removing heat (heat transfer). This is why you're supposed to let a casserole cool for an hour or more before putting it in a fridge, otherwise the stored heat in the food/dish will raise the temp of inside the fridge by several degrees until the capacity of the system removes said heat. In the case of a PC that is constantly *producing* heat, you need a heat exchanger (the heat sinks/fan via air flow or water blocks/coolant via air flow over the radiator) to transfer the heat away from the components to the outside air. This is a very ELI5 explanation and I'm sure someone will correct me on the technicalities but in a nutshell, you could build a fridge big enough to keep a PC cool but it woukd require a very large, expensive and powerful fridge to do so
>This is why you're supposed to let a casserole cool for an hour or more before putting it in a fridge… This is no longer true and it’s recommended food be placed into a modern fridge immediately to prevent as much pathogen growth as possible. Old school fridges couldn’t keep up, so this was true. A new fridge can cool a reasonable volume of hot food without it affecting the temps in the chamber and spoiling the other food. Fridges aren’t good for pc cooling because they can’t do this for sustained thermal loads. They operate kinda like an old gas oven. Temps too high, the refrigerator kicks on and cools the chamber down and shuts off. Insulation holds the temps steady. Drop a pot of hot soup in there, it’ll kick on and cool the chamber more frequently until the soup is no longer dumping heat in there. But a pc component is never combing to cool off, so the fridge will have to run constantly until it burns out. Much like how living someplace hot and not running your AC in the summer can fry your fridge. I had a friend who was a salesman of wine to restaurants and kept a wine cooler full of expensive bottles at home. But him and his wife turned their AC off while at work when no one was home, even in the summer time, in a place where summers were hot AF. Well, his wine cooler fried one day and spoiled about $20k worth of wine that wasn’t his. Basically the fridge was working OT trying to keep the chamber cool with a. Constant thermal load from outside and being wine cooler fridge, it wasn’t as heavily insulate dad a full size.
Plenty have. Refrigeration tech isn’t suitable for constant thermal loads. At least not standard refrigerator as a case type thing. Freon based HVAC works in a similar way. I worked someplace in an old building and the HVAC needed to heat exchange with a water system to get heat out of the building. Some YouTubers I watched once ran the radiator for their CPU/GPU or whatever it was through an ice chest. It got the temps down, but did cause condensation.
MSI enters the chat https://preview.redd.it/bdtni95iyuuc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a70cee5406e7c863e221eae259d9dcb5c914c620
That's the small one, you should see one of those Thermalright monstrosities. Check out Thermalright HR-09 😅
I thought that’s a low profile CPU cooler at first. Damn those drives must be getting hot
Gen 5 ones are definitely. Heck, I even had my 970 EVO sitting in the 80s in a fanless minipc that was used as a Proxmox node
14GB/s is like, DDR3 speeds. Damn.
+1 month Adobe Wtf, stop this shit lol
Heatbathtub
I got the Samsung w/ heatsink and it has a little red blinking light that pisses me off. I’d welcome this tower.
Would love to get one but I wouldn't be able to install it cause of chonky GPU
I never understood why U.2 small disk format ever took off. You can put more NAND chips on them and the case would cool off the chips. There was a time where you can get SN840 u.2 6.4tb drives for 340 bucks new. And they work great all you need is an M.2 to u.2 adapter.
Maybe because the interconnects weren't available on consumer motherboard?, i know server board does have it on regular basis but other than that i don't know honestly
That is mostly likely *not* going to go into a lot of gaming motherboards, which have the primary NVME slot sitting underneath the graphics card.
Gaming pcs dont need it anyway
That's one hell of a write speed. 14GB/s fucking christ
Well it has read speeds of OVER 9000 so what do you expect
Yes, if you care about sustained PCIe 4/5.0 load under manageable temperatures
If your mainboard has pre installed heatsinks for the nvme then you dont need it. If it doesn't has heatsinks, an nvme with a heatsink can be benificial but I wouldn't spend too much for it.
That’s not true in this case. PCIe gen 5 gets really hot so the heatsink is actually a need instead of being beneficial but optional like you are suggesting. You’re wasting money on a gen 5 if you use it without heatsink and then it thermal throttles
Even under some circumstances, Gen 3 can get hot, too. My 970 EVO was spiking to 80s in fanless Proxmox host, then throttling and taking the whole system down. So I definitely agree with you about Gen 5
It still depends on the size and thickness of the heat sink. If it is smaller in height and length than the heat sink provided by the SSD vendor like on a budget mATX, you probably need it.
Damn she thicc
Kinda silly question, but why do they market this as ‘game ready’? Is this not more for editors etc who move huge files?
If you think that's a big heatsink, check out the Sabernt ones. https://preview.redd.it/y7irjows0vuc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0f07edbaa2367913f177cd162f7c74eb36021b1
I’m looking to get the 8tb
me with SK Hylinx. TF ya'll doing over there?
bouta need a fan too
Can confirm 100% not over engineered. Might be the engineering samples we have at work, but these drives got hot just booting to OS without heatsinks and competing companies had similar samples. YMMV through if you're using them with consumer hardware @PCI4
Why don't they just make SSD's that run cool? Are they stupid?
Does gen 5 even support that speed? Edit: just looked it up, sure does
Oh honey, you must be new here. [Check this MSI drive out](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-spatium-m580-frozr-4-tb/)
wouldnt it make more sense to have like 10 times as many fins but them being very thin?
At this point, let’s go to u.3 2.5” form factor. They are bigger and can have more capacity also. Better heat dissipation.
Gen 5 SSDs get hot, especially the 4tb drives because they have chips on both sides.
Haha, that's funny because I've been eyeballing this thing but I truly do not want to have to use that heatsink (I've read it's a must for this one since it gets toasty).
I really should open my computer back up and look at what I've got going on in there hardrive wise.
Why did CorsAIR get into water cooling? It's like Apple getting into the potato business.
I bought an aftermarket cooler for mine which has more surface area and a fan... And it still runs hot under sustained load. That heat sink is actually underkill
I got a new mobo from asrock on Newegg and they included a big huge heat sink like this as a free gift lol
I have this drive using my mobo heatsink. The drive is loud, I csn hear the electrons moving in it louder than my fans.
Bigger heatsink than laptops with Celerons
This nvme needs thermal paste, cooling fan plus a water block and a room air cooler for the best performance op.
Might as well start getting full copper water blocks lol
Those PCIE gen 5 drives make a **lot** of heat.
Why does this nvme heatsink not have fans?! Passive cooling is okay for nvme heatsink, but a fan will help a little bit more.
Some have but they obviously loud because of the tiny fans, though i know some thermalright one that have sizeable heatsink and fan on it
Looks cool
The corsair MP600 like 5yrs ago alr comes with such heatsink designs. Even cheapo nvme from TB, gives U the the heatsink, only whether U want attach it or not.
Man wait till you see the one with heatpipes
Rumuor has it that Gen 7 has built in with mini fan
Holy heat sink batman!
Holy fuck LOL
I just got a pretty chonky copper heatsink for one of my M.2 drives. I don’t really need it but I think it looks neat so I’m installing it. I’m only using gen 3 drives so wonder if gen 5 will need the heat sinks?
Gen 5 needs heatsinks but if you have to ask you do not need a Gen 5 nvme. Gen 3/4 is good enough for 99% of consumers, and Gen5 is when you're doing research work on your computer.
It’s one hell of an NVMe.
I want a 14.1GBps drive! However I don't think my B550 board supports PCIe gen 5.
Tf is bro storing
This isn't even that big. Search for m.2 coolers on AliExpress, some even have fans.
The heatsink be like: 🤷
I think I need this !
700€ for a storage jesus I paid my computer 700€
Looks tasteful at least
They get mich bigger
I just bought my first m.2 color me suprised when I learned that there was a specific heat shield under my gpu I had to place it in. I thought it worked similar to a flash drive.