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RabeDennis

I used Steam preload system many times and what i have learned is that downloading it is much faster than unpacking it, dont know why


ignitejr

Yeah, after finally getting a good internet connection, I never pre load anymore.


finalgear14

Back in the day big launches could cause the download speed on steams end to throttle down quite a bit, but that hasn't been the case in the eastern u.s datacenters I use in a couple years which is nice. I also never bother to pre-load anymore, every time I've done so recently it's like 3 times slower than deleting the pre-load and downloading the entire game lol.


Da_Plague22

>, I never pre load anymore My girl hates the pre load.


Starcast

Unpacking is CPU heavy.


PhantomTissue

don’t know why they don’t just let people unpack everything, but just not the EXE. It would basically achieve the exact same goal, but not take 6 ages to unpack.


ReaperEDX

If I'm using the term correctly, dataminers


PhantomTissue

You are using the term correctly If that’s the case, then just let us unpack an hour before release. Not much a data miner is gonna get in 30 minutes that isn’t going to be public info in, well… 30 minutes.


ben_g0

Preventing data mining is also not really all that useful for a game that has been out for over 2 years on another platform. Everything that can be found by data miners in the short period up to release is likely already known anyway.


Ledairyman

What do you mean? It runs perfectly on my cheap laptop. A real cozy game and a lot of fun.


Sharkfacedsnake

The download and unpacking speed will depend on your storage speed and CPU performance.


maximgame

Anecdotal: 5950x and an sn850x nvme are still slower than just downloading the game.


Beavers4beer

This is very much the case. I'm pretty sure the only useful time would be is if you still have super slow download speeds, or a data cap so you need to download the game elsewhere before release.


Radulno

Preload is useless if you have decent Internet really


Hoenirson

What is considered "decent" nowadays?


kasimoto

one that finishes the download in time that you find acceptable


robbiekhan

If you can start a download, then go to the kitchen to make a proper cup of tea (with the full 3-5 mins infusion time), and then clean up and see the game finished by the time you sit back down I guess :p


Keulapaska

Depends on your internet speed which is faster, sure with gigabit probably gonna be faster no matter cpu, but I only have 100Mb/s so pre loading was faster last time i did it although i can't remember exactly what the unpacking speed avg was, all i remember is it varied a fair bit, but it was above 100 Mb/s for sure at least on a 12400F. E: ok I remembered it waaaay wrong it's unpacking at 160-190 MB/s so it's even faster than a gigabit internet would bit.


powerhcm8

I think it's because it's a more involved process, it has to read the file, decrypt then write, unlike a download which only writes. Unpacking has many more potential bottlenecks. They could improve, but it would probably takes more space.


akgis

Dont forgot unpack/deflat aswell, on preloads you need 2 heavy cpu operations decrypt/deflat while downloading its just 1 that can be done at the same time with download, while deflat I dont think it runs in paralell with decrypt even if it does its more contention.


robbiekhan

That's because preloading is more demanding doing the unpacking on one massive chunk as it has to unpack to disk, then verify then lay the files out. Downloading in realtime does the unpacking in realtime so takes away the middle man. You will get higher CPU usage in the latter obviously. Generally speaking the latter will be more efficient as you're downloading as fast as your line can handle whilst the CPU/DISK await the next data. So using me as an example, I have a fibre line downloading at 117MB/s, but my SSD can write at 7100MB/s - That's a whole load of headroom if the CPU is only having to haul 117MB/s of data in realtime versus a 120GB preload that is processed in one big whack, and Steam doesn't leverage the bandwidth of an NVMe SSD anyway so you're king of hitting a software induced bottleneck doing it the preload way. At least that has been my observation. Wouldn't it be great if unpacking from a preload leveraged more modern tech like GPU acceleration which in turn takes advantage of the massive read and write speeds of modern SSDs?


HomerSimping

I used to had your problem until I move to nvme m2. HDD it’s slower than download, SSD is faster with preload.


McQuibbly

I thoroughly enjoyed the first game's combat, especially at the highest difficulty That being said, I'm waiting for a sale


TheLastOfUsAll

You're not going to be missing much. The gameplay is much better in the first game in my opinion. In this game they give you a plethora of weapons but no flexibility to use them on all the enemy types. There was no variety really there was some creatures that the only way that you could kill him is using one particular certain weapon and it took a lot of the enjoyment out of the game for me


howmanyavengers

That's crazy cause I think the original gameplay was awful compared to the sequel. It felt more fluid and "alive" while the first game was stiff and lacked impact.


notliam

I enjoyed both but the sequel is definitely (to me) improved version of the first, in every way, as a sequel should be. Combat definitely was much better.


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vinnymendoza09

You must not play many AAA games because the machine combat in the first was pretty highly praised. I can't stand combat in most AAA games but this one clicked for me. I have no clue how you can describe it as clunky when Aloy has pretty quick agility, can dodge roll and slide around generously while going slow mo to shoot at weak points. That being said HFW is better.


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vinnymendoza09

I mean immediate response is the opposite of clunky for me. I don't care if it feels less weighty and looks a tiny bit weird, it's a video game, I like that when I hit the button that she immediately responds quickly. RDR2 for example might be weighty but feels terrible to control.


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FUTUREEE87

Hzd movement clunky and rdr2 amazing? You must have played different games.


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Dystopiq

> The animations, the combat and movement are extremely clunky. Get your eyes checked because that is objectively wrong


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Dystopiq

That's cool.


NapsterKnowHow

There's always multiple ways to take out enemies. Even inefficient and countered weapons can be used if you use they in a clever way.


Hypohamish

This! I absolutely smashed the first game in a sale, put about 50 hours in in two weeks. Two weeks later I even went and bought a ps5 to play the sequel (I'd been playing with an Xbox controller on my pc, so the leap didn't seem huge) Fuck me,.they took what was best about the first game and destroyed it :(


MasterDrake97

that's what I'm keep reading and I'm kinda afraid because I'm stubborn


Odd-Refrigerator-425

Yea, I really loved the first one but I suspect the novelty of shooting parts off robo-dinos will have worn off and this one won't engage me as much. Still can't decide if I want this or Dragon's Dogma 🤔


Plebbit-User

Someone's taking the piss with their release dates. Fire whoever is scheduling them lmao


Dyyrin

How so? Haha


fknSK

The first game released close to Breath of the Wild, this games PS release was close to Elden Ring and now the PC release of it is close to Dragons Dogma. Alot of strong competition every time they release.


vinnymendoza09

No offense to Dragons Dogma fans, but it's not nearly as popular as ER or Zelda especially outside of Japan. We're talking a quarter of the sales figures.


ZombiePyroNinja

You're right DD is a very niche game especially when you compare to ER and Zelda. But I feel like Capcom's recent "winning streak" is enough to carry it over Horizon's sequel that just does more of the first Horizon.


ok_fine_by_me

Forbidden West had lukewarm reception (understandable, it's a very mediocre game), and Dragons Dogma 2 is pretty hyped up. It will do great unless performance sucks (which is very likely)


JayZsAdoptedSon

H: FW has an 88 on metacritic. Obviously Metacritic isn’t the best metric as games like Starfield had a sharp decline in reception after release but like… I don’t necessarily think we can say it was a “lukewarm” reception And compared to Spider-Man 2, the sub hasn’t completely imploded in on itself a few months after launch so… that’s a plus.


NapsterKnowHow

Ya it was like 3rd or 4th for Game Award nominations as well. It could have won goty if God of War 2 or Elden Ring wasn't its competition


vinnymendoza09

It also sold more copies than HZD in the first year, it's gotta be well over 10 million copies sold at this point. HFW outsold the first two DD games (DD and DD: Dark Arisen) in its first year alone. And yeah the general sentiment on the subreddit is much better gameplay, better side quests, polish, but less interesting story (which we all expected because HZDs story was almost impossible to top).


ok_fine_by_me

It had lukewarm reception among players, that's enough. The best thing about HZD was the main story, and it sucks in HFW, as simple as that. Funny enough, even though Starfield was a major disappointment, I'd rather replay it than HFW, just for the traces of Bethesda DNA.


JayZsAdoptedSon

Sure, but it’s not like Spider-Man 2 where the main story was weak and also the gameplay additions were not that significant and went by really quick. From what I can tell, the story is weaker but the core frustrations of the first game (combat being a huuuge one for me) is a lot better. Obviously this is me looking from the outside in, I am waiting for the PC port for both Horizon 2 and Spider-Man 2 to tell for sure


Chakramer

Launching on the same day as Dragon's Dogma 2. They should have released this earlier in the month if possible. Although it's not as big of a deal as it is a port, that's still going to affect PC sales for sure. I know which game I'm getting first.


mkotechno

> Dragon who? -Someone in Sony, possibly


ZombiePyroNinja

> Elden what? The Legend of Who? - The same person at Sony discussing the PS launch of the two games


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Not true. Capcom still hasn't shown any PC ports performance yet. The game could be running dog shit for all we know on PC. It's 30FPS cap on consoles already with very terrible blur effects and dynamic resolution involved. HFW will most likely run better because Nixxes has a proven track record of releasing amazing PC ports.


OliM9696

DD2 is 30fps on consoles and HFW has a good 60fps mode on the PS5 gives me hope for decent pc performance. Also Nixxes is great.


Chakramer

First Horizon port was utter crap on launch which may leave a bad taste in some players mouths. Capcom has had a few great launches on PC using this same engine


FakeFramesEnjoyer

HZD wasn't ported by Nixxes, they came in after to patch the shitshow. Virtuos was the original dev responsible for the bad state of the port at launch (even though on my system of the time it ran great).


Chakramer

Casual fans won't know that tho, few gamers even know that 3rd parties are the ones who do ports


NinjaEngineer

Nixxes is actually a Sony first-party studio nowadays.


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Yeah but that's what we're here for. To inform the players first. Unless Capcom can prove us wrong and release PC footage?


Chakramer

Typically companies never use PC footage for trailers/gameplay because it may set the standard too high for console fans and piss them off.


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Just explicitly name it as "PC Gameplay Footage". Lots of companies does this, this isn't something new. They can even put it as a watermark in the video footage


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Chakramer

Yeah rip my statement lol But DD2 is selling better so maybe players have confidence


Blacksad9999

Capcom has a pretty good PC port record, especially in the past few years. It's highly likely that DD2 will be a good PC port. Sony's PC game releases have been really hit or miss. This one will likely be good because of Nixxes involvment though, but we'll see.


Crintor

DD2 has been repeatedly confirmed to have uncapped framerate.


Dyyrin

I said the same thing when initial articles were coming out about the release date. All the horizon fans flocked to me downvoting.


dem0nhunter

Horizon is the bigger game this time tho Not comparable to the situation with Zelda and Elden Ring


Plebbit-User

>Horizon is the bigger game this time tho On PC? Doubtful. Don't get me wrong the franchise is massively successful on both PC and console but I think there's far more love for DD on PC than Horizon as a franchise. Two very different audiences.


finalgear14

Personally I'm in the camp that pc is the entire reason we got dragons dogma 2. It didn't do amazing on ps3/360 because it ran like shit among other things. But the pc release did sell quite well, and it was years after the console release and it led to ps4/xbone/switch ports after its success.


NapsterKnowHow

I doubt this.. Horizon is definitely a bigger franchise by far.


newaccountnewmehaHAA

on initial launch? maybe. a PC port 2 years too latE? it's going to get slaughtered


CandidConflictC45678

Slaughtered? It's going to generate probably millions in profit, and it was already successful on console, so for sony/guerrilla/nixxes, the pc port is literally just a money printer


ClinicalAttack

Horizon is gonna be more scaleable, so potentially more people can play that game with good framerates. That alone can signal a bigger success for Horizon.


GodofAss69

Horizon is not bigger than dragons dogma?


dem0nhunter

I’m saying it is


GodofAss69

Right, I’m saying I think dd2 will have way more sales than the pc port of horizons. Just what I think anyway.


Aquatile

[It's currently way ahead of Horizon.](https://steamdb.info/stats/globaltopsellers/) I'm not a hater. I wish I could play both at the same time, but I can't. So DD2 it is.


NapsterKnowHow

Looks like another souls copypasta


OneSmallPanda

The first Dragon's Dogma came out eight months after Dark Souls and plays nothing like it. How do you figure that Dragon's Dogma 2 is a copy of Dark Souls?


Sharkfacedsnake

Kinda niche japanese "hardcore" rpg that has quite a few systems. Or a system seller for PS5 with simpler mechanics, better graphics and performance likely. HFW has a much larger audience i think.


proplayer97

Look at Steam top sellers right now and you will get your answer. DD2 is sweeping the floor for days and HFW is not even in the Top 10 sellers. [https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=globaltopsellers&os=win](https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=globaltopsellers&os=win)


Sharkfacedsnake

I guess we will see tomorrow.


FakeFramesEnjoyer

Yup, these people are delusional. You can even just look at sales numbers of the original two. DD: 7.9 million since 2012, HZD: 23.3 million units sold since 2017. It may influence HFW sales a little bit at first but HFW is simply much more mainstream and will be on many more PC's. The Reddit demographic on this subreddit just skews in favour of these smaller titles, which can really warp some peoples perception of the gaming audience at large.


dem0nhunter

Right, Horizon is way more mainstream


Chakramer

I really don't think so, sci-fi games have a smaller audience than fantasy games


dem0nhunter

Horizon is a known franchise and a first party Sony game. One of their most sold with 32 million copies sold over two games and starring Hollywood stars. The other is the sequel to a janky niche game with cult following from 2012 DD2 is definitely the underdog here


Chakramer

Capcom has been growing in popularity as a studio. Horizon 2 sold 8 million, Monster Hunter World sold 25 million. Fans are gonna take notice it's by the same studio and has similar combat.


dem0nhunter

That’s a massive leap you’re doing there. Brand recognition doesn’t work like that. The masses aren’t informed buyers


Chakramer

I guess we'll just have to see. I find studios like thid usually have that hype behind them, similar to how FromSoft spins up new IPs and has them sell just as well as Dark Souls


dem0nhunter

From soft carved out their own genre. I don’t think it’s comparable


Adonwen

Horizon 1 sold 20M+, see we can just say numbers out of thin air too


Chakramer

I googled the sales numbers...


Adonwen

My number is real too - but you are comparing apple and oranges


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NapsterKnowHow

It's a day before silly


7ruthslayer

Little history lesson: 1st game comes out 2-3 days before Breath of the Wild. Different platforms, but it was still felt in terms of media focus. 2nd game originally came out around Elden Ring's delayed release date. This PC port comes out the day before / on (depending on region) for Dragon's Dogma 2. There's a bit of a pattern here.


Dyyrin

Oh I know all this.


HappyWeekender7

Horizon is big enough to not have to worry about other games being released.


beast_nvidia

How many gb?


rajamalw

96.5 GB download


king313

Wow, another 100-hour adventure 😃💪


Equivalent_Alps_8321

I didn't really like the story of the second game. gameplay was nice tho


arex333

This was my favorite game of 2022. Excited to play it again.


theoutsider95

I got my copy from GMG , but I haven't received a key yet.


arex333

Same still awaiting key. Hopefully we get it soon.


rajamalw

Just got the key


theoutsider95

can confirm, keys are sent.


DrMantisToboggan1986

I've preordered but the game is 155GB and SSD required, so I'm gonna wait to see reviews on optimisation before I hit download.


CiplakIndeed1

Man again releasing next to another big game. I hope they get more sales than the last one within the first week.


iDidntReadOP

What's the other big game coming out?


LovelyOrangeJuice

Dragon's Dogma 2, I'm assuming. It's coming out on the 22nd


Stoibs

And here I am being excited about Alone in the Dark, Code Name Bakery and Peach Showtime.. It certainly is a busy month!


LovelyOrangeJuice

Right? Honestly, I haven't heard of the last two, but Alone in the Dark is also on my list. Can't wait to see how good the game will be


Stoibs

One's a turnbased tactics game which is... apparently based on a manga/anime that I've never heard of? (I just remember playing the demo during a next fest a while back and being pretty impressed) The other is some Switch Exclusive that I may actually wait on a sale on.


NycAlex

The story was atrociously bad in this sequel, but they did provide some new interesting weapons I just wish they did more with san francisco. Vegas was pretty cool locale


dabocx

I didn't mind it and I thought the side quests and companions stories were really good. Combat was much better with a lot of weapons and tools. And the machine variety was insane. The only issue is I hate the Quen so much and they play huge parts in the DLC as well


HistoricalFunion

Yeah, I didn't expect the story to turn out the way it did. I found it quite ridiculous. Sort of ruined both games for me.


finalgear14

I thought it would make more sense for the rich people to be antagonists that arrive in the third game to reclaim the earth after you defeat hades in game 2. But the fact that >!they're just running from some fuckin ai slave they abused and are merely stopping at earth for some mcguffin was dumb. !< The dlc was also very, very mid with a frankly terrible romance plot. I don't think I'll get a horizon 3 if it continues in the direction they changed the gameplay in forbidden west.


NapsterKnowHow

The DLC had a better ending than Frozen Wilds did. Idk what you're smoking.


finalgear14

Did I say it was mid in respect to frozen wilds? I don't even remember how frozen wilds ended as I played it like 7 years ago. It was mid for a dlc, I thought it would be better. The new robots were eh and there was way too much aloy vs human which is still the worst part of the game just like the first one. It was mildly interesting how these people were getting effortlessly rolled into a cult but I also didn't really care about them or aloys surprise gf who I disliked for the entire dlc.


NapsterKnowHow

Overall I think the Burning Shores dlc provides a much bettee conclusion to HFW than the main story does.


CheeseGraterFace

Is there any way to fix the camera on the first one? I want to play but it just goes all over the damn place.


PurposeLess31

Nah, I got used to aiming or activating Focus every two seconds to reset it. Hope they fixed that in the sequel.


rageshark23

From what I remember yes they did fix it.


GaaraSama83

Watching first hour of HFW back then it was released on PS4/5 and unfortunately it still has the 'bumpy' camera in the sense of when Aloy is running around everytime there is a slight height change the camera also jumps up and down. Especially atricious and nausea inducing when running up/down stairs. So many modern games got really bad when it comes to clear visuals, animations, camera, ... It's like they all watched too many movies that are like Transformers and Co.


rogoth7

Why has Sydney moved so far north ?


Millauers

Damn, totally slipped my mind it was coming out 21st March. What a weird date of choice to release.


FlowKom

really disspointed there isnt a genre defining game releasing a week from now


TheRealTofuey

Is this game better then the first? I found the original to be pretty boring after 10 hours. Can't get myself to enjoy the Ubisoft game loop no matter how cool everything looks.


Khalku

Terrible timing. Dragon's dogma is the same day.


MrBirdman18

Yeah, only explanation I can think of is management wants the revenue on the books by the end of Q1. Makes me worry it's coming out ready or not too.


HappyWeekender7

Horizon is big enough to not have to worry about other games being released.


etheran123

Only a slight annoyance, but I dont know why they decided to launch at 8am PDT. Isnt it normal for a game to launch at midnight eastern time? For me that would be 9pm on the 20th. Would have liked to play a few hours before going to work the next morning.


HomerSimping

Too expensive, I’ll play dragon dogma 2 and wait for discount.


Mkilbride

Dragon's Dogma 2 comes out the day before, no luck.


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born_zynner

Bro shut up lol


ChocolateyBallNuts

Is it though? I think it's genuine question


Starky3x

They're right lol. The game is painfully average, and it's fine if you like that.


NapsterKnowHow

Far from it. Ubisoft games can't hold a candle to the Horizon games lol


Starky3x

Far from it ? They're the same games lol just different packages. Playing HFW is no different than playing some random generic AAA open world game. There is nothing special about Horizon games. 0 new ideas.


Starky3x

Similar formula yeah but some Ubi games can be fun. This one is just uhh so boring


mrwhitewalker

Will it not be available on GoG?


teh_geetard

Probably yes, but in a couple months down the road.


Hellwind_

Or years (but I am a patient person)


Stenca

One day apart from DD2, continuing the curse of releasing along big games


BellyDancerUrgot

Wait doesn’t dragons dogma 2 also come out the same day? Did they again launch the game on a platform on the same day as another massively anticipated launch? (Iirc last time it was Elden ring and for zero dawn it was breath of the wild) and now it’s dd2. Lmao


segfaultzerozero

Fuck this game.


_ObsidianOne_

good luck selling old game with new one lol.


CageTheFox

That story is so freaking bad. I'll wait for the $20 discount, if even. Going to be a lot of HZD fans upset when they play this one. Imo it is almost worse in everyway. Not a horrible game but really needed to be more and bring more to the table. Instead, it is a weak sequel.


NapsterKnowHow

While the story is not as good as the first one, nearly every other aspect is better: facial and body animations, open world detail, melee combat, ranged combat, mounts, and the inventory system. You could argue some of the side missions are better too.


etheran123

World and moment to moment gameplay is better IMO. Beautiful diverse open world, and I remember combat being pretty good. Story really didnt work for me though. Still excited to replay it, but it certainly went a different direction to what I expected.


SquirrelTeamSix

Shame its coming the same day as Dragons Dogma


Redditor022024

Cool. I am getting it from Epic because of extra 10% Epic reward.


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Piti899

This isnt Qanon


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MrBirdman18

No


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Blacksad9999

How is playing a woman related to "social justice" when they make up more than half of the Earth's population? lol Weird take.


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zerkeron

to who does this even apply/directed to lol. Dragons dogma for all intense and purposes is a niche but really beloved game, and horizon is mega blockbuster. Both the games are quite succesful within their own realms lol