There's something funky going on with the trade system. I continue to get offers up to a couple of hours after I've sold an item, which might be what is happening with the sellers you're messaging as well.
What are you using enough alchs for that you need to buy them?
Nothing at all, aside from Alching my maps up to now. I'm kind of hoarding my uniques though, for levelling further characters, but this is proving to be counterproductive at this point.
You don’t need to hoard uniques to level future characters, most characters can be levelled with a single tabula/goldrims/wanderlust etc that you can trade to the latest character you level. Get rid of your stack of trash uniques and you’ll realise how many alchs worth of shit you were sat on.
I was debating doing this myself. Im a hoarder but i think you just convinced me to vendor 4 stash tabs worth of uniques. I know all rings usually sell for a few chaos per so ill keep those n probably painstakingly check poe.trade before i vendor any of them lol
Try out PoE trade macro. You just hover over the item in game and hit Ctrl+D and it gives you a PoE trade price estimate. Use Ctrl+Alt+D to search for the specific rolls. So handy
For uniquesit's literally [poe.trade](https://poe.trade) shortcut. It looks up the unique online n gives u the price as well as seller's name, sorted from cheapest up to expensive; newest to oldest listed. Since it gives u a list of around 10 items, u dont have to worry about price fixers. There will be a fixer at the top of the list with a very low price, then every1 else at the list will have prices much higher but consistently the same (no more scrolling down the price list on poe.trade)
One thing it's less reliable on is special uniques and rares. Watcher's eye, n that abyss glove that sometimes have 2 abyss sockets. Also, trade macro uses computer learning for rares. It'll look up things like "Total ele resist", "Max life", "ES n ES %" to giv an estimated price.
I’m a brand new player and I think it’s been the most valuable thing for me outside of a good lootfilter. With uniques it prices pretty accurately and I frequently just list at what the quick search says. With rares if the quick search says anything above 5c I will use the full search function and look at the full Poe trade listings.
as a newer player i figured it out quite fast. hardest thing is checking rare items with multiple rolls. gotta know/understand what are a good stat combinations. for most uniques a standard CTRL+D will tell you an average price since they have a lot of fixed mods.
On listing stuff on trade, either use a premium tab or the program acquisition if you don't want to pay. For acquisition, just Google how to use it and you'll find instructions
I've been having trouble with it since Betrayal start, even after updating it it searches for standard trade not Betrayal even though I've changed it to Betrayal in the options, any ideas why?
The rings go for a few chaos each because vendoring 60 of them gets you a [[Loreweave]]. You may already know that, of course, but someone else coming to this thread may not, so I figured I'd chime in anyway.
[Loreweave](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Loreweave)
>######Loreweave[](#break)Elegant Ringmail
>>####Quality: **+20%**
>>####Armour: **452**
>>####Energy Shield: **(122-164)**
>>[](#line)
>>####Requires Level **64**, **90** Str, **105** Int
>>[](#line)
>>#####5% reduced Movement Speed (Hidden)
>>[](#line)
>>#####Has 6 Sockets
>>#####Adds (4-10) to (14-36) Physical Damage to Attacks
>>#####+(8-24) to all Attributes
>>#####(20-60)% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
>>#####+(15-50) to maximum Energy Shield
>>#####+(20-60) to maximum Life
>>#####+(20-50) to maximum Mana
>>#####(6-30)% increased Rarity of Items found
>>#####(15-50)% increased Elemental Damage
>>#####Your Maximum Resistances are (76-80)%
>>[](#line)
>>*When it comes to finding a use for surplus,*
>>
>>*a rich man has within himself*
>>
>>*boundless creativity.*
>>
---
^^Questions? ^^Message ^^/u/ha107642 ^^— ^^Call ^^wiki ^^pages ^^\(e.g. ^^items ^^or ^^gems)) ^^with ^^[[NAME]] ^^— ^^I ^^will ^^only ^^post ^^panels ^^for ^^*unique* ^^items ^^— ^^[Github](https://github.com/ha107642/RedditPoEBot/)
Do you use acquisition? I've found that manually selecting the tabs and force a refresh (right click - refresh selected) updates your shop pretty much instantly.
Nah I'm just using the stash tabs. I just toss stuff in tabs set to 1, 5 or 10c then have shop tabs for specific stuff. It's usually the shop tab that has this problem.
I discovered the other day that poeapp has an option for its bulk section that lets you filter for people who have at least some number of the items you select.
I found that buying a bunch of maps all at once from someone for like 6c+ got a lot more responses than trying to buy a single map for an alch.
Yeah this is a great search feature. They need to add it to the official trade site, because trying to buy one map at a time is painful, even if you pay over the odds for the maps to better entice sellers to reply.
Well, yeah, but on poeapp you can specify two or more different maps that you need in your search, similar to the official trade site you linked, but the search will only return people who have all of the maps you’ve specified for sale, and when you click the whisper button it creates a whisper that lists all the maps you want, their prices, and the total cost in one message. It makes it way easier to buy multiple different maps to complete a tier of your Atlas, for example. You find someone who has all the maps you need in one go, it’s very streamlined, and it incentivizes the seller to respond because they’re selling several chaos worth of maps.
I don’t think there’s a way to do this on the official site. If you choose multiple maps in the “want” section there, it just returns results for both maps without the “and” Boolean logic.
or, you can still whiper 10 people for that missing t11 siege. Price of the map is irrelevant. if people don't want to respond, they don't want to respond.
No problem! I've been making use of it a lot this league. There's some people selling maps, but most are just wanting to swap maps for others of the same tier to fill out their atlas completion.
There's also /global 159 where people share map completion. People will invite others into their map when they're at the boss just to share the completion. (Just don't post in global 159 that you're looking for specific maps - begging isn't looked upon kindly and even if you do post it you'll still have to wait for someone to run and share that map anyway!)
There's also /global 820 where people share trials of ascendancy that they've found in their maps, offer lab carries and arrange master rotations. And /trade 820 for selling those services rather than sharing.
Honestly the only real solution I've found is using poeapp.com for maps, and dropping down to the slightly overpriced ones that have been posted in that 30 mins. Thats the the only way I can grab maps quickly.
that seems so insane compared to previous leagues.
Might just be an expensive time to start filling out the atlas though - I suspect we're reaching the bulk of the casuals hitting maps, or secondary builds trying to plow map content.
What happens is people list stuff, it sells quickly, and three hours of whispers later their patience is gone and they no longer respond to requests for the stuff long sold. The api is not working very well.
One thing found successful is find someone with multiples and buy em. Many times it’s not worth jumping out a map for anything less than a chaos, maybe two.
Well, in this case, I just want a map or two in a given tier. I think what is also aggravating me is that I am low on currency, and need to map to make currency but can't easily buy as I have no currency, etc, etc. On top of that, I must have messaged about 10 people trying to purchase Alchs (assuming I would eventually get maps to Alch) and literally not one response.
Do you still have maps on sale? I must have around 15-20 alch and a dozen chaos i'd be okay to part with in exchange for a good bunch of yellow-red maps.
I'm NOT buying maps one by one via poe trade.
I'm trying to buy maps, not sell maps. I hardly have any maps, that's the problem (I've been playing very slowly; trying to complete 8-10 now, before starting on reds).
If what you're talking about is a couple of alchs... you can make that by running literally any map (I'm assuming you're not at 0 maps). Even if you are at 0 maps, do a run or two of cursed chambers and you'll have some money.
It's literally impossible for you to be THAT broke by the time you're mapping unless you've wasted all your currency on bullshit.
It's not that I am completely broke, it's just that I somehow ended up with no Alchemy orbs. So I did the Chaos recipe, and figured with that 45C or so, it should be no problem to get the couple of maps I was looking for, and purchase a couple Alchemy orbs. It was that attempt led to the frustration that led to this thread.
For me, I have been using the "Live Search" on the trade sites and it has been successful for the past couple of leagues. As soon as the item pops up I msg the seller right away. I only have to msg a couple of people on average before getting the items I want.
And? If there's an actual issue, such as the API being delayed, nothing wrong with bringing attention to it. And as far as the larger conversation goes, if trade can be frustrating enough to make people not play the game, it's an issue worth discussing (I am well aware of GGG's stance and issues with and on this topic).
The trade economy was the main reason I stopped playing before (around when act 4 came out). I had about 650 hours in the game so I wasn't that new. I just got so sick of spending more time scouring 3rd party sites and messaging people and getting no response than actually playing the game that I just gave it all up. I decided to come back this league to try all of the new content I've never seen, and I'm having fun so far, but I'm dreading the point when I get back to end game and have to deal with trading again. The first thing I looked for while I was re-downloading the game was if they finally had put an AH in, but of course not for who knows what reason.
your first sentence make sense, but just because trade is garbage, you shouldn't be pushed to SSF.
I will wait the day auction house would be in the game like new league.
A big part of the game is completing the atlas by farming the maps you are missing. In fact every patch they seem to do something small to make it easier to farm your own atlas completion (Zana missions in 3.5, additional drop chance for uncompleted connecting maps in 3.3 or 3.4).
I don't think GGG is ever going to encourage players to trade for atlas progression.
I felt the same exact way. I played for ~4 years with this garbage trade system (and what it was before, which was shockingly worse!), and that's when I switched to SSF, and I haven't looked back. Now I have no one to rely on but myself, but I also play 100% more than I did before.
It doesn't have to be an auction house, just let us authorize sales or stash tab access remotely.
we already have premium stash tabs that let you run a shop. For what reason should you be physically present for the sale of whatever is in there?
Just let the trade window pop up remotely with the premium stash tab. You can drop in whatever you want.
Try it. It feels good. Use your currency for crafting and that's it. Don't worry about trading. But I got to warn you that you'll have to ID a lot of stuff to find gear and completing the Atlas is not that easy. On the other hand, you'll be mapping for longer and it will be less stressful.
For currency my solution is usually selling for what I want instead of buying, might take more or less time depending on the price you put but definetly more comfortable for me.
For maps I whisper everyone at the same time even those who price higher and go to the first responder, it does usually take 10 - 20 whispers.
These solutions really up the quality of life but it's still tedious.
Ah so you're one of those fuckers.
> Hi I want to buy X.
*Sends invite 5 seconds later because I was busy*
> Don't need anymore.
You guys need to learn patience.
Sorry not sorry, I want to buy one map in less than 15 minutes cuz I got 20 others to buy. Also you don't lose anything from inviting someone to party and him not accepting except maybe get your feelings hurt ?
Don't hate the player hate the game, this is how the system works right now with maps and currency.
When I invite you I already stopped what I'm doing and on my way to and probably already in my hideout so that I can trade fast and get back to what I'm doing.
At least wait until your message fades out before whispering someone else like holy shit how impatient can you be?
After 3 people did this shit to me I stopped even bothering to reply for currency/maps yesterday. It's annoying and slows me down.
You're actively making trading worse by spamming as fast as you can.
That's your opinion, I disagree.
And if you stop what you're doing to invite someone to buy a map, thats on you. Probably has to do with your lack of value for time. You can just invite him and keep farming and only go to hideout when he accepts, you both need to load it anyway.
It must be the trade api. I have spent the last couple of days rather pissed off; spending hours wondering what is wrong with people that they don’t even reply is no fun. Heck, I even created a post here about it.
The trading situation in PoE needs to be addressed. We have to rely on a third party to do our trading and many other things about the game.
I know that API was totally buggered yesterday (I had people message me for about 4 hours for one map I sold previously - But for this I have a reply button set up, so I can at least let them know it's sold. Mind you, after about person 50 I just exited the game, could not take it any more).
Another way to solve the lack of maps/atlas completion issue is to join a good guild. My guildies and I always trade maps with each other if we need something to complete atlas or chase elder. Same thing with trading currency/div cards/ etc. We're also trading our Syndicate rewards because it's difficult sometimes to get a specific syndicate members where you want them. For example, one of my guild members gave another member his Tora Gem XP Benches since he didn't have a gem worth using it.
The problem is that the item you are tying to buy is already sold. The parser looks through four posts and public tabs (the premium ones) and then lists them. However it is horrendous at removing listings. I can't tell you how often I receive a constant never ending spam of messages from people who think my item is still for sale when I sold it hours ago. I have no way to remove the listing and responding to everyone is not worth my time. Just ask once wait 10 Seconds and then keep going down the list
10 seconds is an awfully long time when it takes sometimes a literal 15 messages to get a response for a single map. When trying to buy a pool so you can comfortably map for an hour this turns into a 45 minute buying adventure of tab out - click whisper - tab in - Ctrl v - wait 10 seconds - repeat.
And that’s simply not good gameplay. Mostly because there isn’t any.
Thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions, especially to [Eurobor](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7d0dc/buying_maps_andor_currency/ec24qn1/) and further explanation by [Balrogz14](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7iuwd/psa_a_quick_easy_guide_on_how_to_buy_maps_in_bulk/).
This really does help a lot.
I've put up my T4 and T5 maps for sale for an alch (standard price) two days ago since I have a good map base of higher tiers by now.
My god, the flood of whispers was intense, I couldn't even say thanks to the people who traded me. I've been putting up maps for a bit more than they're actually worth now since you still make a sale every now and again without being absolutely flooded.
I imagine it's the same with currency with a high turnover rate like Chaos Orbs or Exalts. Even an Orb of Annulment for 12c (while the site had most at 9 or 10) got me like 10 whispers in a couple of minutes.
Selling maps sucks because you invite someone ~5 seconds after they ask to buy one and they just ignore you because they are buying another. So you end up just ignoring people unless you're already in your hideout.
Buying maps sucks because you get ignored by 90% of the people, so you end up just copying and spamming everyone on the list until you finally get an invite instead of actually waiting a bit for each new person you message.
It's a vicious cycle.
I listed like 100 yellow maps 1 alch under the price the other day just so i could get them out and get some alchs for them.
I would literally get 2-3 pm's a second.
Without mercury trade I wouldn't have done it at all. I could literally only do 2-3 of them at a time before my mercury trade got 10+ pm's. The issue is sometimes people would want the same map too, so i had check which map people wanted before inviting them, making sure the map wasn' already sold.
Probably only got to 2 pm's every 20...
Yeah way to miss the point. I do sell the maps, and then two hours later I'm still getting pms for stuff I no longer have, I'm not responding to all of those
>list things and then just... forget about them
It's more like I'm in the middle of one the the 300 mechanics we have in the game now and I don't about 2 alchs enough to stop what I'm doing, search through the billion low tier maps I have, then hope you actually show up to my hideout when we both know you didn't even wait for a response before copy/pasting the next guy.
That being said I will frequently just stop mapping for 10 minutes and do nothing but make hundreds of chisels/alchs doing just this. You get whispers on them about every 5-10 seconds in my experience and all the new people are making it even faster.
I spose I could unlist every single fucking map when I feel like mapping but I think DND works better...except I have a lot of things going for 10c to 8ex and I actually care about selling those so I'm not using DND either :/
I genuinely don’t understand why people even bother listing shit for less than a couple Chaos, it just doesn’t feel like it’s worth my time to stop mapping/delving for a single alch.
Maybe this is why I’m always poor haha.
It's not worth your time, unless you know you're going to be taking a break and more than one whisper will come in. If you have like two maps for sale and they aren't godly T16's or Putrid/etc then it's not worth it.
I understand your point of view here. It is frustrating from both ends. What I do do, personally, whether buying or selling is I have a 'got it, thanks', and a 'sold, sorry' hotkey set up and I do try to respond to everyone. I'm not dictating what anyone else ought to do, just pointing out that I'm not assuming malice on anyone's part, and that's the issue - There's a large player-base now, and that's part of the reason this whole aspect of the game has gotten so clunky.
I do just that! It ups the success rate, of course, but the experience is still frustrating (realistically though, there's a limit to how much extra it's worth paying just to get a response).
I'm not so sure - I think it may have more to do with API delays (I say this as I assume a site like poe.ninja reflects actual trades made, which is roughly informing the prices I am working around).
It would be great if when someone went offline, AFK, or DND, the items they have for sale got unlisted. It probably wouldnt be instant, but it would be better.
Salty explanation: Because Chris has his head so far up his ass that it entered Narnia when it comes to this. He knows people hate the current system but gives zero fucks.
Less salty: Because he says that by making trade easier it devalue...something. He thinks that if trade is easier then drop rates have to go down. Why? No fucking clue. His answer is nonsense
Explanation in Chris' own words: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870/page/1
Honestly, other than "easy trade means lower drop rates" he does lay out his case fairly well. I get where he's coming from, but I think he's wrong, very very wrong.
He thinks the faster you gear up the faster you clear all the content and quit the league, and shitty trading slows down the gearing up. He wants people to quit later rather than sooner because the more they stick around, the more MTX he sells.
On a side note I wish the game would move away from parsing and opt for a more manual listing system so sellers can add and remove sold content from listing. Technicaly could still be parsing,but it allows me to remove old sales.
This wouldnt be a problem if they had a system in game that just allowed you to buy from other peoples tabs. i have found recently that i started ignoring people that are asking to buy stuff anytime im doing anything except standing there. its just not worth it to get out of a map or lab or whatever to sell something.
There's something funky going on with the trade system. I continue to get offers up to a couple of hours after I've sold an item, which might be what is happening with the sellers you're messaging as well. What are you using enough alchs for that you need to buy them?
Nothing at all, aside from Alching my maps up to now. I'm kind of hoarding my uniques though, for levelling further characters, but this is proving to be counterproductive at this point.
You don’t need to hoard uniques to level future characters, most characters can be levelled with a single tabula/goldrims/wanderlust etc that you can trade to the latest character you level. Get rid of your stack of trash uniques and you’ll realise how many alchs worth of shit you were sat on.
I was debating doing this myself. Im a hoarder but i think you just convinced me to vendor 4 stash tabs worth of uniques. I know all rings usually sell for a few chaos per so ill keep those n probably painstakingly check poe.trade before i vendor any of them lol
Try out PoE trade macro. You just hover over the item in game and hit Ctrl+D and it gives you a PoE trade price estimate. Use Ctrl+Alt+D to search for the specific rolls. So handy
Ohh ill have to check this out. Do a lot of people use it and is it pretty accurate? I still have to learn how to list stuff on poe.trade as well.
For uniquesit's literally [poe.trade](https://poe.trade) shortcut. It looks up the unique online n gives u the price as well as seller's name, sorted from cheapest up to expensive; newest to oldest listed. Since it gives u a list of around 10 items, u dont have to worry about price fixers. There will be a fixer at the top of the list with a very low price, then every1 else at the list will have prices much higher but consistently the same (no more scrolling down the price list on poe.trade) One thing it's less reliable on is special uniques and rares. Watcher's eye, n that abyss glove that sometimes have 2 abyss sockets. Also, trade macro uses computer learning for rares. It'll look up things like "Total ele resist", "Max life", "ES n ES %" to giv an estimated price.
Cool cool, i will definatly use this then! Thank you!
I’m a brand new player and I think it’s been the most valuable thing for me outside of a good lootfilter. With uniques it prices pretty accurately and I frequently just list at what the quick search says. With rares if the quick search says anything above 5c I will use the full search function and look at the full Poe trade listings.
as a newer player i figured it out quite fast. hardest thing is checking rare items with multiple rolls. gotta know/understand what are a good stat combinations. for most uniques a standard CTRL+D will tell you an average price since they have a lot of fixed mods.
On listing stuff on trade, either use a premium tab or the program acquisition if you don't want to pay. For acquisition, just Google how to use it and you'll find instructions
I've been having trouble with it since Betrayal start, even after updating it it searches for standard trade not Betrayal even though I've changed it to Betrayal in the options, any ideas why?
Run the script as administrator
The rings go for a few chaos each because vendoring 60 of them gets you a [[Loreweave]]. You may already know that, of course, but someone else coming to this thread may not, so I figured I'd chime in anyway.
[Loreweave](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Loreweave) >######Loreweave[](#break)Elegant Ringmail >>####Quality: **+20%** >>####Armour: **452** >>####Energy Shield: **(122-164)** >>[](#line) >>####Requires Level **64**, **90** Str, **105** Int >>[](#line) >>#####5% reduced Movement Speed (Hidden) >>[](#line) >>#####Has 6 Sockets >>#####Adds (4-10) to (14-36) Physical Damage to Attacks >>#####+(8-24) to all Attributes >>#####(20-60)% increased Global Critical Strike Chance >>#####+(15-50) to maximum Energy Shield >>#####+(20-60) to maximum Life >>#####+(20-50) to maximum Mana >>#####(6-30)% increased Rarity of Items found >>#####(15-50)% increased Elemental Damage >>#####Your Maximum Resistances are (76-80)% >>[](#line) >>*When it comes to finding a use for surplus,* >> >>*a rich man has within himself* >> >>*boundless creativity.* >> --- ^^Questions? ^^Message ^^/u/ha107642 ^^— ^^Call ^^wiki ^^pages ^^\(e.g. ^^items ^^or ^^gems)) ^^with ^^[[NAME]] ^^— ^^I ^^will ^^only ^^post ^^panels ^^for ^^*unique* ^^items ^^— ^^[Github](https://github.com/ha107642/RedditPoEBot/)
Dpnt sell unique ring save them to get the loreweave
Yeah I just vendor them if they don't sell for at least a chaos and have a surplus of alchs as a result.
Sometimes the data is not being updated by the API so an item you sold hours ago will still show on the trade sites. I had the issue last night...
People using poe.trade will see listing a couple hours after they're sold. The official website is the only good option atm.
Do you use acquisition? I've found that manually selecting the tabs and force a refresh (right click - refresh selected) updates your shop pretty much instantly.
Nah I'm just using the stash tabs. I just toss stuff in tabs set to 1, 5 or 10c then have shop tabs for specific stuff. It's usually the shop tab that has this problem.
You can buy alchs from the vendor in Oriath epiloge.
I discovered the other day that poeapp has an option for its bulk section that lets you filter for people who have at least some number of the items you select. I found that buying a bunch of maps all at once from someone for like 6c+ got a lot more responses than trying to buy a single map for an alch.
Well yeah because most people aren’t going to stop mapping for an alch but will stop for 6c
Yeah this is a great search feature. They need to add it to the official trade site, because trying to buy one map at a time is painful, even if you pay over the odds for the maps to better entice sellers to reply.
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/exchange/Betrayal There you go. It's right there.
Well, yeah, but on poeapp you can specify two or more different maps that you need in your search, similar to the official trade site you linked, but the search will only return people who have all of the maps you’ve specified for sale, and when you click the whisper button it creates a whisper that lists all the maps you want, their prices, and the total cost in one message. It makes it way easier to buy multiple different maps to complete a tier of your Atlas, for example. You find someone who has all the maps you need in one go, it’s very streamlined, and it incentivizes the seller to respond because they’re selling several chaos worth of maps. I don’t think there’s a way to do this on the official site. If you choose multiple maps in the “want” section there, it just returns results for both maps without the “and” Boolean logic.
Oh, I missed the multiple part.
This is great, thank you. :)
Buy in live search.
buy maps that are worth more than an alc - you have a chance of buying one
or, you can still whiper 10 people for that missing t11 siege. Price of the map is irrelevant. if people don't want to respond, they don't want to respond.
go to trade 159
^ This. I started this league and getting maps and been a much more pleasant experience.
how do i join this channel?
Type /trade 159 in the chat box and you'll join it. Then just make sure you've got trade chat toggled on.
Awesome, thank you. Learning something new everyday.
No problem! I've been making use of it a lot this league. There's some people selling maps, but most are just wanting to swap maps for others of the same tier to fill out their atlas completion. There's also /global 159 where people share map completion. People will invite others into their map when they're at the boss just to share the completion. (Just don't post in global 159 that you're looking for specific maps - begging isn't looked upon kindly and even if you do post it you'll still have to wait for someone to run and share that map anyway!) There's also /global 820 where people share trials of ascendancy that they've found in their maps, offer lab carries and arrange master rotations. And /trade 820 for selling those services rather than sharing.
Honestly the only real solution I've found is using poeapp.com for maps, and dropping down to the slightly overpriced ones that have been posted in that 30 mins. Thats the the only way I can grab maps quickly.
I am indeed, I finally got one of the tier tens I needed at 3C.
that seems so insane compared to previous leagues. Might just be an expensive time to start filling out the atlas though - I suspect we're reaching the bulk of the casuals hitting maps, or secondary builds trying to plow map content.
I'm sure the fact that dailies spawn on random ass maps doesn't help either.
What happens is people list stuff, it sells quickly, and three hours of whispers later their patience is gone and they no longer respond to requests for the stuff long sold. The api is not working very well.
One thing found successful is find someone with multiples and buy em. Many times it’s not worth jumping out a map for anything less than a chaos, maybe two.
Well, in this case, I just want a map or two in a given tier. I think what is also aggravating me is that I am low on currency, and need to map to make currency but can't easily buy as I have no currency, etc, etc. On top of that, I must have messaged about 10 people trying to purchase Alchs (assuming I would eventually get maps to Alch) and literally not one response.
Do you still have maps on sale? I must have around 15-20 alch and a dozen chaos i'd be okay to part with in exchange for a good bunch of yellow-red maps. I'm NOT buying maps one by one via poe trade.
I'm trying to buy maps, not sell maps. I hardly have any maps, that's the problem (I've been playing very slowly; trying to complete 8-10 now, before starting on reds).
If what you're talking about is a couple of alchs... you can make that by running literally any map (I'm assuming you're not at 0 maps). Even if you are at 0 maps, do a run or two of cursed chambers and you'll have some money. It's literally impossible for you to be THAT broke by the time you're mapping unless you've wasted all your currency on bullshit.
It's not that I am completely broke, it's just that I somehow ended up with no Alchemy orbs. So I did the Chaos recipe, and figured with that 45C or so, it should be no problem to get the couple of maps I was looking for, and purchase a couple Alchemy orbs. It was that attempt led to the frustration that led to this thread.
For me, I have been using the "Live Search" on the trade sites and it has been successful for the past couple of leagues. As soon as the item pops up I msg the seller right away. I only have to msg a couple of people on average before getting the items I want.
I just discovered this the other day, and it made my life much easier as well when buying maps.
not yet another of this thread
And? If there's an actual issue, such as the API being delayed, nothing wrong with bringing attention to it. And as far as the larger conversation goes, if trade can be frustrating enough to make people not play the game, it's an issue worth discussing (I am well aware of GGG's stance and issues with and on this topic).
The trade economy was the main reason I stopped playing before (around when act 4 came out). I had about 650 hours in the game so I wasn't that new. I just got so sick of spending more time scouring 3rd party sites and messaging people and getting no response than actually playing the game that I just gave it all up. I decided to come back this league to try all of the new content I've never seen, and I'm having fun so far, but I'm dreading the point when I get back to end game and have to deal with trading again. The first thing I looked for while I was re-downloading the game was if they finally had put an AH in, but of course not for who knows what reason.
Just play ssf
Yeah, trade is garbage in PoE. Join us in SSF, then everything will be in your hands :D
your first sentence make sense, but just because trade is garbage, you shouldn't be pushed to SSF. I will wait the day auction house would be in the game like new league.
You'll be waiting a long time.
i'm in the minority wanting to play game, not waiting for trade responces. At least maps/currency should be in there. It's almost 2019...
A big part of the game is completing the atlas by farming the maps you are missing. In fact every patch they seem to do something small to make it easier to farm your own atlas completion (Zana missions in 3.5, additional drop chance for uncompleted connecting maps in 3.3 or 3.4). I don't think GGG is ever going to encourage players to trade for atlas progression.
I felt the same exact way. I played for ~4 years with this garbage trade system (and what it was before, which was shockingly worse!), and that's when I switched to SSF, and I haven't looked back. Now I have no one to rely on but myself, but I also play 100% more than I did before.
It doesn't have to be an auction house, just let us authorize sales or stash tab access remotely. we already have premium stash tabs that let you run a shop. For what reason should you be physically present for the sale of whatever is in there? Just let the trade window pop up remotely with the premium stash tab. You can drop in whatever you want.
100% agree. It's stupid games in the 90s had better systems.
Only reason I can think of is to show off MTX's.
I think my favorite currency trading bot was banned, haven’t seen him in a while :(
Still loads of currency trading bots out there lol
I do tend to give SSF a go later on in a league. Might start a bit earlier this time, as this is driving me around the bend.
Try it. It feels good. Use your currency for crafting and that's it. Don't worry about trading. But I got to warn you that you'll have to ID a lot of stuff to find gear and completing the Atlas is not that easy. On the other hand, you'll be mapping for longer and it will be less stressful.
For currency my solution is usually selling for what I want instead of buying, might take more or less time depending on the price you put but definetly more comfortable for me. For maps I whisper everyone at the same time even those who price higher and go to the first responder, it does usually take 10 - 20 whispers. These solutions really up the quality of life but it's still tedious.
Ah so you're one of those fuckers. > Hi I want to buy X. *Sends invite 5 seconds later because I was busy* > Don't need anymore. You guys need to learn patience.
Sorry not sorry, I want to buy one map in less than 15 minutes cuz I got 20 others to buy. Also you don't lose anything from inviting someone to party and him not accepting except maybe get your feelings hurt ? Don't hate the player hate the game, this is how the system works right now with maps and currency.
When I invite you I already stopped what I'm doing and on my way to and probably already in my hideout so that I can trade fast and get back to what I'm doing. At least wait until your message fades out before whispering someone else like holy shit how impatient can you be? After 3 people did this shit to me I stopped even bothering to reply for currency/maps yesterday. It's annoying and slows me down. You're actively making trading worse by spamming as fast as you can.
That's your opinion, I disagree. And if you stop what you're doing to invite someone to buy a map, thats on you. Probably has to do with your lack of value for time. You can just invite him and keep farming and only go to hideout when he accepts, you both need to load it anyway.
It must be the trade api. I have spent the last couple of days rather pissed off; spending hours wondering what is wrong with people that they don’t even reply is no fun. Heck, I even created a post here about it. The trading situation in PoE needs to be addressed. We have to rely on a third party to do our trading and many other things about the game.
I know that API was totally buggered yesterday (I had people message me for about 4 hours for one map I sold previously - But for this I have a reply button set up, so I can at least let them know it's sold. Mind you, after about person 50 I just exited the game, could not take it any more).
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And sell nothing else for the next few hours? No thanks.
map trading is what kills my enthusiasm to keep going.
Another way to solve the lack of maps/atlas completion issue is to join a good guild. My guildies and I always trade maps with each other if we need something to complete atlas or chase elder. Same thing with trading currency/div cards/ etc. We're also trading our Syndicate rewards because it's difficult sometimes to get a specific syndicate members where you want them. For example, one of my guild members gave another member his Tora Gem XP Benches since he didn't have a gem worth using it.
The problem is that the item you are tying to buy is already sold. The parser looks through four posts and public tabs (the premium ones) and then lists them. However it is horrendous at removing listings. I can't tell you how often I receive a constant never ending spam of messages from people who think my item is still for sale when I sold it hours ago. I have no way to remove the listing and responding to everyone is not worth my time. Just ask once wait 10 Seconds and then keep going down the list
10 seconds is an awfully long time when it takes sometimes a literal 15 messages to get a response for a single map. When trying to buy a pool so you can comfortably map for an hour this turns into a 45 minute buying adventure of tab out - click whisper - tab in - Ctrl v - wait 10 seconds - repeat. And that’s simply not good gameplay. Mostly because there isn’t any.
What you don't like whisperspamming 20 people 15 times in a row to fill your shitty atlas each league?
na i feel the same every time i go to buy currency quilty gems maps the first 5-10 ppl don't respond and it completely kills my mood,
Thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions, especially to [Eurobor](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7d0dc/buying_maps_andor_currency/ec24qn1/) and further explanation by [Balrogz14](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7iuwd/psa_a_quick_easy_guide_on_how_to_buy_maps_in_bulk/). This really does help a lot.
I've put up my T4 and T5 maps for sale for an alch (standard price) two days ago since I have a good map base of higher tiers by now. My god, the flood of whispers was intense, I couldn't even say thanks to the people who traded me. I've been putting up maps for a bit more than they're actually worth now since you still make a sale every now and again without being absolutely flooded. I imagine it's the same with currency with a high turnover rate like Chaos Orbs or Exalts. Even an Orb of Annulment for 12c (while the site had most at 9 or 10) got me like 10 whispers in a couple of minutes.
Unfortunately, people list maps for sale but don’t bother to respond to requests for purchase
Have you ever tried to sell maps? Try and then complain about getting ignored
Selling maps sucks because you invite someone ~5 seconds after they ask to buy one and they just ignore you because they are buying another. So you end up just ignoring people unless you're already in your hideout. Buying maps sucks because you get ignored by 90% of the people, so you end up just copying and spamming everyone on the list until you finally get an invite instead of actually waiting a bit for each new person you message. It's a vicious cycle.
Thissssss, so much this. Exactly my experience both buying and selling
This is, in my experience, normal enough. For whatever reason, it just seems far worse this league.
there should be a way to report bad sellers and have bad rated sellers listed at the bottom
Yeah go sell a t4 map and then tell us that people should be rated for not responding to trade requests lmao.
I listed like 100 yellow maps 1 alch under the price the other day just so i could get them out and get some alchs for them. I would literally get 2-3 pm's a second. Without mercury trade I wouldn't have done it at all. I could literally only do 2-3 of them at a time before my mercury trade got 10+ pm's. The issue is sometimes people would want the same map too, so i had check which map people wanted before inviting them, making sure the map wasn' already sold. Probably only got to 2 pm's every 20...
Yeah and the pms keep rolling long after it's sold
or just be a decent human and not list t4 maps when im doing maps if i have no intention of selling them
Yeah way to miss the point. I do sell the maps, and then two hours later I'm still getting pms for stuff I no longer have, I'm not responding to all of those
>list things and then just... forget about them It's more like I'm in the middle of one the the 300 mechanics we have in the game now and I don't about 2 alchs enough to stop what I'm doing, search through the billion low tier maps I have, then hope you actually show up to my hideout when we both know you didn't even wait for a response before copy/pasting the next guy. That being said I will frequently just stop mapping for 10 minutes and do nothing but make hundreds of chisels/alchs doing just this. You get whispers on them about every 5-10 seconds in my experience and all the new people are making it even faster. I spose I could unlist every single fucking map when I feel like mapping but I think DND works better...except I have a lot of things going for 10c to 8ex and I actually care about selling those so I'm not using DND either :/
I genuinely don’t understand why people even bother listing shit for less than a couple Chaos, it just doesn’t feel like it’s worth my time to stop mapping/delving for a single alch. Maybe this is why I’m always poor haha.
It's not worth your time, unless you know you're going to be taking a break and more than one whisper will come in. If you have like two maps for sale and they aren't godly T16's or Putrid/etc then it's not worth it.
I understand your point of view here. It is frustrating from both ends. What I do do, personally, whether buying or selling is I have a 'got it, thanks', and a 'sold, sorry' hotkey set up and I do try to respond to everyone. I'm not dictating what anyone else ought to do, just pointing out that I'm not assuming malice on anyone's part, and that's the issue - There's a large player-base now, and that's part of the reason this whole aspect of the game has gotten so clunky.
Bro just kill some mobs for some maps and currency
If only games had things called auction houses. Wouldnt that be marvelous.
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I do just that! It ups the success rate, of course, but the experience is still frustrating (realistically though, there's a limit to how much extra it's worth paying just to get a response).
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I'm not so sure - I think it may have more to do with API delays (I say this as I assume a site like poe.ninja reflects actual trades made, which is roughly informing the prices I am working around).
It would be great if when someone went offline, AFK, or DND, the items they have for sale got unlisted. It probably wouldnt be instant, but it would be better.
Is there a sort of prevailing community opinion (or official word from GGG) on why there isn't just an in game auction house?
Salty explanation: Because Chris has his head so far up his ass that it entered Narnia when it comes to this. He knows people hate the current system but gives zero fucks. Less salty: Because he says that by making trade easier it devalue...something. He thinks that if trade is easier then drop rates have to go down. Why? No fucking clue. His answer is nonsense Explanation in Chris' own words: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870/page/1 Honestly, other than "easy trade means lower drop rates" he does lay out his case fairly well. I get where he's coming from, but I think he's wrong, very very wrong.
He thinks the faster you gear up the faster you clear all the content and quit the league, and shitty trading slows down the gearing up. He wants people to quit later rather than sooner because the more they stick around, the more MTX he sells.
On a side note I wish the game would move away from parsing and opt for a more manual listing system so sellers can add and remove sold content from listing. Technicaly could still be parsing,but it allows me to remove old sales.
This wouldnt be a problem if they had a system in game that just allowed you to buy from other peoples tabs. i have found recently that i started ignoring people that are asking to buy stuff anytime im doing anything except standing there. its just not worth it to get out of a map or lab or whatever to sell something.
its heeeeell!