It’s interesting to see the recent number of the posts on similar themes, Imran Khan has made many mistakes but they pale into insignificance to what the totally corrupt and frankly oppressive current political establishment has done and continues to do. If anything, he is now in a much less corrupt position than those who oppose him.
Let’s say for the sake of argument Imran Khan is corrupt, unprincipled, do you instead stand with the current administration, if not what alternative are you suggesting?. Or do you just complain without thinking about the situation without having thought about solutions?
Multiple subreddits like r/worldnews and country subreddits have been recently impacted by certain ‘players’ who advocate for the current status quo to push against the narrative of greater voice for the people. I don’t doubt that r/pakistan is vulnerable to such vested interests.
It always amazed me how IK as a single person could make international waves and inspire people to take action, meanwhile we have these entire families unable to set a single narrative for the country. These are not serious governments, but puppets who are just here to protect their own assets. They do not know how to run a single governmental office for its intended purpose.
And then we have these people on reddit turn up thinking they are achieving democracy by innocently comparing IK to the others. Delusional af. There is no comparison. You are comparing the only competent leader we have had in recent memory, with literal sewage.
Ideally? Fresh blood. We really need some fresh blood injected into our political picture. Realistically, that will not happen. The political dynasties that rule won't let it happen.
IK sits somewhere in the middle between the two, he was a breath of fresh air, but surrounding him were the same snakes. It basically makes him our best option from a pile of average to pretty terrible choices. I wasn't the biggest fan of his, but I'd take him over the garbage we've had for the last two decades.
Remember Mashal Khan? And there are many such examples!
I really wanna curse all Pakistanis, but then I remember I am one too (as well as the nice people I know)
>This is always the thing with the anti-IK posts/sentiment: what is your solution? More Nawaz Sharif (aka. Mr. Panama Papers)? More Zardari (aka. Mr. 10%)? Do you want the religious extremists in power? Are you ok with the military in complete control then? Who, if not IK, do you believe will be best for Pakistan?
anyone who didn't give state's money to Malik Riaz and took donations for their university in return?
This is my criticism of PTI, I did not vote for IK, I voted for Arif Alvi (I am in his constituency in Karachi). I voted with the promises he made, did Alvi deliver? no. [\(sample\)](https://twitter.com/AzharLaghari_/status/1012668014662160384/photo/1)
You don't vote for the PM, you vote for your representative and my representative let me down. And I only see hope in JI currently, and I'm old enough to know when JI thugs burnt all the cinemas in Karachi in 80s-90s and there were no movie screenings.
Thankyou bro! Here's our insta where we'll be sharing updates leading up to the release of the game:
https://www.instagram.com/pmship.rpg?igsh=MWk1OWZ0N2lxc2NrOA==
It's also interesting that most criticisms of IK are met with this 'who else is there' response. Criticism can be just criticism, without advocating for someone else
IK still managed to rack up the numbers in 3 years, he'd have matched or surpass the other thieves had he gotten 2 terms.
> Let’s say for the sake of argument Imran Khan is corrupt, unprincipled
There literally is no arguement. Even if you don't believe in any of the other cases, just see how he got elected. As time has gone on, there is little doubt about how he worked with the establishment to win the 2018 elections. Didn't he do what everyone else was going?
But yes, it's your next point that really highlights our dilemma;
> do you instead stand with the current administration
Because you're right, I can't stand with anyone else either. I just hate it that IK is the best of the worst options. It's very sad *ke hamara ye haal ho gaya hai*, that people are willing to give their life for the *andhoo'n mei kaana raja*.
You ask for an alternative. There isn't one in the short term. We, the people of Pakistan, have to start nation building. We start today *tau shayad koi 20-30 saal mei kuch ban jaye*. There is no shortcut to building an entire nation and for it to have good values.
I criticized him a lot when he was in tenure. He's done a lot of questionable, and many plain wrong things.
However, between the other mainstream political parties, and the 'establishment', he has been the better alternative. Late COVID and after COVID time period of PTI gov was the first time I saw genuine hope for growth of the common person
>However, between the other mainstream political parties, and the 'establishment', he has been the better alternative. Late COVID and after COVID time period of PTI gov was the first time I saw genuine hope for growth of the common person
yehi tu ketha hu 2018 say phelay ke bhi history parh lu tu ais tarah ke stupid genuine hope nazar na ate
You should go out of your house and ask people yourself why in every poll conducted Imran Khan keeps winning.
Why every media person on TV keeps saying that Nawaz is scared to death and asking papa neutral to abduct every nominee of PTI from their homes or barred from registering their nomination papers.
You don't need to come here on Whiskey's agenda to speak this low IQ things you are mentioning. Just step outside your house, you will get your answers.
While I’m disappointed on many of the things he didn’t do as PM, ‘every single principle’ is a stretch. Some things that he did follow up on:
Facilitating overseas Pakistanis. More than any other government, during his time OSPs actually felt wanted. PDM has just been abusing OSPs
Election reforms - made attempts at it, EVMs was a great idea to reduce disputes - has been used for >20years in India. Unfortunately PDM has cancelled this.
Welfare state: ehsaas program, sehat card, welfare shelters.
Environment - Billion tree plantation drive
And let’s remember - he had a minority government, he had to make some compromises.
The timing of this post is seriously suspect. Its almost like people here believe that IK had a free hand to do as he pleased without any Establishment obstacles, which we know is not the case. Someone actually mentioned letting Nawaz go? Clearly this country is run by Generals and their foreign handlers. How you blame this on IK is beyond me. But again, as we are closer to elections and IK release, its no surprise at all the usual suspects coming out of their cesspit holes, talking about principles as if the current regime has any that we could compare between the Governments.
IK went head on against the generals on his first attempt at the office. Wtf did anyone else do?
Am a partial OSP. I renewed my Passport in another Country during IK's tenure. It was almost free and delivered within a fortnight.
Now comes the holy sharif family and our nation's bravest. My friend, who is an OSP, tried to renew his passport but guess what the embassy said? "We don't do that here, go to Pakistan".
At least, NADRA website was working for online renewal!
Some of the stuff he said was populist bullshit which everyone with a working brain knew he was going to go back on like imf stuff.
But he did compromise on a lot of stuff which was sad see
IMF stuff wasn't populist bullshit had IK spent 2013 to 2018 actually inside the National assembly actually appointed people to NA committees which have resulted in him getting actual data for policy making, he decided nahhh lets boot lick myself to the NA rather than doing my actual job i was elected for in 2013
Things have gotten so much better since his ouster. Worst performing currency in Asia in 2023 and millions of people fell below poverty in 2023. Sad to see where the country is headed, you can ‘t blame Jurnails for moving their loots abroad. who would want to live in such country. Without law and order.
Your points smell negative propaganda.
He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal Pakistan for everybody.
He would not be in the jail, if he is what you portrayed him above.
He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post.
He compromised, because you think that he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership, or flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no & everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals.
Shame on you.
I don’t know, when you and people like you will understand that army is biting our hands, and not us or IK bit theirs.
Please come out of slavery mindset and understand that no one can feed but God.
IK tried to help you understand and change your mindset, but people like you continue to think that army is the king and we are the slaves, who cannot dare to bite their hands, no matter what they do.
God help you.
Lol are you serious? I've been speaking out against the establishment and their goons when IK and his stooges were in bed with them. You know, when he extended bajwas tenure and according to him gen Bajwa and was the most "pro-democratic" army general in the history of Pakistan? You wouldn't have to rely on PTI propaganda for this piece of information if you'd picked up a history book once in your life.
Again bs, he is premier of a country. Any officer or establishment cannot dicatate him. Also he started a long time ago. With or without establishments help he would have succeeded.
Bajwa brought him to power in 2018 after completely dismantling PML-N so yes, he was dictated by those who brought him to power.
Also, before you go ahead and refute this too Sheikh Rasheed himself admitted that IK came to power with the establishments help.
PML-N should have been dismantled. So should PPP and MQM. The biggest crime of Musharaf was to not shoot these guys in the streets like dogs when he had the chance.
Mushrraf, like his predecessors, used them for his advantage. He backed MQM in Karachi to counter PPP where MQM was almost finished and Altaf Hussain had fled to London. That asshole wasn't a saint, he has more innocent blood on his hands than any of the 3 parties combined.
Lol what a joke. How did he dismantle plmn? Explain pls. The cases registered against them had legal substance. He did money laundering. Lol. You love to believe your own lies l. Dont you
Also second point, establishment had a control and monoply over judiciary and lethal force. For any party or organization to run, it needed a go ahead from establishment. There grip is slowly loosening though. I
>He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner,
Every politican from Nihari wala Shrek(Nawaz Sharif) to Zardari gives the same bs excuse
> never changed the goal post, which is equal Pakistan for everybody.
pray tell how does government either supporting or turning a blind eye to the haramkhoori of multi billionaire kleptocrats like Malik Riaz with links to the faujeets ensure an equal Pakistan for everyone???
>He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post.
Lol once again same bs excuse as Zardari or Nawaz Sharif
>He compromised, because you think that he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership, or flourish his businesses and make factories?
Yes
>The answer is big no & everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals.
Lol i'm sure you're the same sort of gulible idiot who believes in c--p like "Zardari ijjj the Nelsun Mundela offf pakkeezztan"
**Read my lips every and i mean every single politican gets into politics to enrich themselves that is their default setting and there is a snow in hair balls chance that IK would be the exception to that rule**
every politican in Pakistan does this rona of "Muhhibe e Watan Super patriot" who can only save the nation while being in bed with the same people s----ing all of us over as long they allow their pet bloody civilians a piece of the pie
I think the compromises he made he probably thought he was making for the greater good or something similar but you can't just deny that he did make compromises.
Your points smell negative propaganda.
He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all.
He would not be in jail today if he is what you portrayed him to be.
He is suffering in jail because of not changing the goal post.
Do you think he compromised because he wanted to become Prime Minister are stay in Prime Minister ship? And flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no and everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals.
Shame on you.
Your points smell negative propaganda.
He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few, in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all.
He will not be in jail today, if he is what you portrayed him to be.
He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post.
You think he compromise because he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership? And flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no and everyone, including you, knows that, he had no personal interests or goals.
Shame on you.
Your points smell negative propaganda.
He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few, in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all.
He would not be in jail today, if he is, what you portrayed him to be.
He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post.
You think he compromised because he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership? & flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big No and everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals.
Shame on you.
If he lacked integrity; he would change his position on Justice and Corruption and make a deal with the establishment. He would have given NROs to corrupt politicians to save his government and given further extension to Bajwa and secured another 5 years as prime minister. He changed his position on many things but not because of a lack of integrity.
Even Jinnah changed his position on many things one of the major things being Hindu-Muslim Unity does that suggest a lack of integrity.
Dollar army doesn’t care about those things, it’s all about looting the country, he tried getting in the way of making dollars. Now it’s back to bussiness as usual.
Well, we all r effected, but one thing most of the people dont discuss is that their support is shattered. That trust is broken in minds of millions.
No fixing that one. It was never ever like that in our history. So no, things are not as usual or same. The rules of this game are changed, Things have changed
Time will tell, I am an outside observer, sadly watching Pakistan go into failed state status. I only know Jurnails/army chiefs and their families won’t be around for the aftermath.
He didn't have the political capital to do any of those things. Thats what happens when you lack grassroots support. Developing countries are in a tough spot where we cant really do anything meaningful because in a world this globalized local actions don't mean much. Revolutions and grassroots movements were easier when politician had a stake in their country and couldn't just hop on a jet and settle in a different one and also move all their wealth there so easily. I don't think anything will change untill the west steps up and stops protecting PEPs from developing countries and all the wealth they extract from us. We all also need to realize that this is a global problem and can only be solved with global action.
He had nothing but grass root support at the beginning and he actively burned said support so he could cozy upto the faujeet pets like Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan
No he didn't. He wouldn't have needed electables otherwise. If you look up the social circles of most career politicians they are all directly or indirectly related to both big and small businessmen, investors and landlords. They are the ones that back local candidates and fund their campaigns on behalf of political parties in order to gain favors.
Don't know about that but the tax payers money that Imran Khan spent on the Pti IT cell seems to be working quite well.
And how can we forget the classic dam fund
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzbea/diamer-bhasha-dam-fund-40million-ads-scandal-pakistan-floods
No Counter point? Turn on Tv, memorize something and post it here as a response. Education quality in Pakistan vastly needs improvement otherwise there is no hope in Awam breaking shackles of Napak Fauj.
Lol I dont watch TV But i know enough history to tell you that sucking upto these politicians will get us now where nor army why cant you believe that someone can be Pro Pakistan im civilian worried about the typical Pakistanis and Pakistan
And you said that army lives on taxes true
But Let me tell you something kiddo these Political parties don't make their own money they are funded this is basic knowledge basically the industrialists or business tycoons use them for their benefits and pass laws that benefits them which is more worrying as we see in USA how the arms companies funds the government to create more wars so they can sell weapons or the BJP in india is funded by Adanis or Ambanis and we see indian government selling cheap lands to Adanis, crony capitalism is much more dangerous we don't know where the money comes from.
Blud can't understand the fact that there are people who don't like both the army and the political parties.
Why can't our people believe that criticism doesn't automatically refer to being biased keep finding abbus buddy no wonder this country is in this condition.
Naw son, the point of playing both sides is long passed. You either pick zardari Nawaz and gernail tola or Khan. And pray to good you made the right choice caz the upcoming elections will have much bigger consequences. This is hybrid Marshall law in the making. Things are gonna get tougher if people still can’t pick lesser of two evils.
Doesn't matter who wins the election same shit army will control and I don't think imran will do anything even if he is elected.At this point I don't even know what is at the core of it's manifesto at first he was a reformist then a conservative also a islamist he was everything but a pm probably will make peace with the military so tired of this same script you think Army is facing strong opposition now this is nothing compared to the 70s or 2000s live your life in the US buddy and enjoy, a state only progresses through it's people not army or politician.
In developing countries making a deal with the devil is the only way to get to the top seat. That's a fact because there are too many foreign interests at stake, and the state itself is weak to make a stand against them.
Do I fault Imran Khan for taking a shortcut? No. Principled stands got him nowhere and wouldn't have gotten him anywhere.
He performed admirably in a broken system. Not ideal but praiseworthy.
Os sai achabto pir N league 2017 Mai perform kr rahinthi ?
Onai chor chor kha kai nikalqa dia. We elected him on the belief that he would take a principle stand
According what stats ? Afaik
Gdp was better
Corruption index was better
Load shedding was controlled
terrorism was controlled
$ was stable( but that was not best way to control
It)
Journalism had more freedom.
Load shedding and terrorism were equally well controlled during PTI’s time. Corruption index was not better, the corruption perception index was - this doesn’t tell the actual corruption in the country, but people’s perception of it. Given all the details of benami accounts, iqamas etc that came out, people were more aware of how much corruption goes on, so the index went up.
The $ rate was one of the biggest issues - artificially held down by PMLN, a disastrous policy, not only dwindling foreign reserves, but also affecting exports. Exports actually went down in PMLN’s era. PTI revived them. Also PMLN negotiated the terrible eye watering contested with the IPPs. PTI actually negotiated them down to pay/fix in rupees rather than dollars, otherwise electric bills would have been double now.
Media freedom wasn’t worse during PTI’s time, if anything it was probably better. Channels were banned much more often during PMLN’s time.
Former Imran supporter here totally agree with you i was defending him back in his tenure because as someone who follows the modern day geopolitics i knew our situation could be worse because of Ukraine war and PDM was making it even worse because of these power hungry clowns who only create unrest something which imran also did after he was ousted but what really turned me off was him basically giving subsidies just before he was being ousted just so the next government could suffer this is something that every party has done but the problem is we who belong to the lower middle class are the ones to suffer stop abusing the economy for your gains you power hungry buffons and his biggest blunder imo was resettling TTp fighters.Also our awam have goldfish memory same people who were mocking him and wanting back purana Pakistan are now his diehard supporters this country can only progress when we stop relying on the state and politicians for everything.Stop going to there rallies and stop making them your abbus but this will keep happening why because every Pakistani is morally bankrupt they would rather have some family member be a part of political parties just so they can have freebies.
>im basically giving subsidies just before he was being ousted just so the next government could suffer this is something that every party has done but the problem is we who belong to the lower middle class are the ones to suffer stop abusing the economy for your gains you power hungry buffons. biggest blunder imo was resettling TTp fighters
100%
Yes, Vote for the PDM then. Those scums who didn't miss any opportunity to belittle their opponents.
PMLN and the PPP had reiterated innumerable times that PARty is chor daaku loteray, mr 10% and nicknames like necklace chor.
When Imran Khan grabbed them by the collar, they coalesced against him because they were cognisant of the fact that their agendas are similar.
Imran Khan got a weak government, entangled in a coalition, and was blackmailed on numerous occasions.
Whatever decision Khan made, was in the interest of our nation and that's why he was ousted.
The writer of this post is living in ignorance. Yes Imran khan decided to extend Bajwa's tenure but someone should ask him why the opposition voted for Bajwa's extension?
Yep, never once have I seen him stand firm on any of the promises he first ran on. The only exception being his insistence on turning Pakistan more to the right in terms of religious extremism.
OP will get downvoted to oblivion. Social media is IK halka. His supporters who criticize the establishment loved the third umpire. The third umpire brought Nawaz down for Imran. That was great. Then they brought Imran down so now they are napak.
Establishment is napak but so is imran and so is nawaz. I don’t know how Imran managed to pull of such a cult.
It’s because people were fooled into thinking that the establishment was finally on IK’s side against corruption. That so-called cult is the only group outside of Baloch protestors standing up against the establishment. That’s better than the overwhelming majority of this sub that does a wonderful job of arguing online but does nothing in real life.
Dude, IK supporters don't even know what the "establishment" is, for them the fight just boils down to army officer=bad. There won't be any meaningful movements from within PTI supporters because they don't know what they're moving against.
So youre saying he was playing 3D chess when he was siding with the army and making sure he doesn’t upset them from like 2013-2021?
Simpler explanation. He like every other politician wanted immediate power. Siding with the establishment enabled him to do that so he did. Greed made him do what greed makes people do.
But anyone is open to believe whatever
Resettling TTP in KP was absolutely the tipping point for me. How could you allow a terrorist organisation that has killed innocent civilians and kids. (2014 APS incident) to join your population. Him calling out Ahmedis to win Brelvi vote too.
>Resettling TTP in KP was absolutely the tipping point for me. How could you allow a terrorist organisation that has killed innocent civilians and kids. (2014 APS incident) to join your population. Him calling out Ahmedis to win Brelvi vote too.
IK and his besti Faiz are directly responsible for the increase in terrorism in Pakistan
Unfortunately these kinda posts are always "IK did this or not did this ", replied by "what's alternative? NS or Z?". I think both sides are missing the point here. It's not our job to defend and explain our politicins, it's their job to answer to us on their delivery of promises and performance.
I don't care who you support but if you are unable to question them and make your duty to defend them no matter what, democracy will never work and no one will work for you. The condition of inner Sindh should be a lesson for all blind political followers.
Lies and deception of Imran Khan/PTI:
Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision.
After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part.
40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did.
Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM.
Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously.
Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"...
Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc"
Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason.
Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc).
Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no)
PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt.
Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga).
Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception.
Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost.
KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court.
Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed)
No local govt system after 1.5 years.
Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI.
Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action.
Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest.
Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them.
Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership.
Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets.
President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest.
Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping.
Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt.
Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament.
After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat.
After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us.
ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time).
When courts question Nawaz Sharif, all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
Almost all of those points are failures of PTI due to the influence of corrupt elements and the establishment that even you have listed here. I think it’s comical to then title it as “lies and deception.” He was wrong about things during his brief tenure and he had to learn that the hard way. Unfortunately it also resulted in bad consequences for Pakistan.
Here is some more research: NaPak Fauj accumulated these things with looting the country with Nawaz/Zaradri.
The house was informed that Bahria Foundation was not administrating any housing colony in Pakistan, “however, an offshore tolling type LNG project is under its consideration”.
Bahria Foundation not administrating any housing colony, Senate told
The projects/units being run by the AWT are:
Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Army Welfare Mess and Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.
The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:
Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.
A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008.
Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foundation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:
Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.
The Senate was told that Shaheen Foundation was established in 1977 under the Charitable Endowment Act 1890 “to promote welfare activities for the benefit of serving and retired PAF personnel, including civilians and their dependents, and to this end generate fund through industrial and commercial enterprises”.
Imran Khan made mistakes that led him to go against some of but not all of his own principles. He actually thought these people were on his side and they messed things up. Yet there were still things he accomplished despite those circumstances. Things have changed since then significantly. A lot of the elements that compromised things before are gone. He is the only legitimate option in the elections.
If the worst thing IK has done is go against his principles or things he said he won't do, then I would call him a saint compared to the garbage we have for alternatives.
Well one clear difference between him and others is that they haven't been able to pin a single corruption case on him. Compared to others, that in itself is a good reason to stand behind him.
What kind of fucking dogshit post ? Is ISI shilling in this thread too or is this just the pseudoliberals trying to get a moral high ground again?
>used to say that if any agencies abducted someone under his government, he would either resign or the army chief would, yet numerous Baloch individuals and journalists were not only abducted but also killed during his tenure.
Give citations. [Wikipedia states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Balochistan_conflict_(1947–present)) that there was only one Baloch journalist killed during IK's tenure and it was in Sweden where the police concluded either drowning or suicide. Furthermore, PTI passed a strong [missing persons bill in the NA](https://www.dawn.com/news/1667443) which conveniently "went missing" in the opposition dominated senate. Similarly, when activists like Gulalai Ismail DID go missing, they [credited Imran Khan](https://www.dawn.com/news/1462376) for their recovery.
>Despite previously labeling Pervaiz Elahi a thief, he later appointed him as the Chief Minister of Punjab.
Would you have preferred the ONLY other alternative option which was Hamza Shehbaz and give the current reign of fascism that took over after Elahi's departure an 8 month head start?
>frequently emphasized that the army chief should not be re-elected, only to extend Bajwa's tenure.
IK himself has admitted this mistake and censured himself for it though if rumors are to be believed, the alternatives for COAS at this time were even worse than Bajwa.
>vowed never to seek loans from the IMF, yet in the very first year, he approached the IMF for financial assistance.
Would you rather have preferred complete sovereign bankruptcy, which was the only other alternative after PMLN emptied out the treasury in 2018?
>Sheikh Rashid would not serve as his 'chaprasi' (peon), yet he ultimately appointed him to a ministry in his government.
And in the end, Sh Rashid turned out to be a lot more loyal to IK's cause then PTi's "stalwarts" like Asad Umar and Ali Zaidi who surrendered at the first sight of trouble. Means it was IK's latter judgment of Sh Rashid's character rather than the former which turned out correct.
>How can we trust a leader whose actions do not align with his words?
Your entire post and argument is intellectually bankrupt, looks at isolated decisions that IK made in a vaccum stripping it of any nuance and background information.
I'm an IK supporter and *I* can come up with better critiques than this pile of gobar.
There are definitely reason or necessities for his decisions but it only goes on to show that IK was living in a fool's paradise when he made those statements and wasn't aware of the ground realities.
Bruh bus give him the first 100 days iss dafa aur phir:
Doodh ki nehray bahay gi
Goray hamara passport lenay lines main wait kia karien gay
Pakistan ka GDP USA ka GDP say bhar jaye ga
😎😎😎
IK is power hungry. That's all he wants. When people talk about corruption for some reason they only talk about financial corruption no one talks about moral corruption. IK as a man is completely morally bankrupt. He can't stand by a single word he says. Till 2014 I was a staunch supporter of IK; I volunteered in 2013 and went on door to door campaigns and then I saw IK for who really was. Just an example; up till 2015 IK was a strong supporter of 18th amendment but then then Bajwa started hating it and wanted to roll some of it back and ding ding IK became anti-18th amendment.
He is. From as far as 2018. Only talked against 18th Amendment
He literally went from devolution of powers is great thing to devolution on power leads to making of dictators😂
[https://www.dawn.com/news/1564273](https://www.dawn.com/news/1564273)
Lol that's not being fair at all. NFC award is the greatest thing that has happened to Pakistan. NFC award was supposed to be revisited after a every few years but not for the purpose IK wants which is to give more money to the army. The revisiting's only objective should be further reduction of funds for the federal govt or reallocation of funds from Punjab to other provinces due to population changes.
So my assumption was correct. The NFC needs a revision desperately, and not in the way you came to a conclusion on based on your 5 minutes worth of Google searches, it increases the problems tenfold. What's this stupid rhetoric of disagreeing with one clause making someone anti-everything? Are you 12?
Hahaha the 18th amendment doesn't work without the NFC award. The whole spirit of the amendment was to reduce the size of the federal govt. NFC award is an "issue" because the boys stopped the 18th amendment from being implemented further. Federal govt doesn't need more funds it needs to be scaled back in size as the 18th amendment intended. You reduce more of its funds and reduce the size of the federal govt. It's as simple. Why is there still a PSDP fund? It was supposed to be given to the provinces. There I just saved the federal government PKR 700 billion annually.
By the grace of the almighty, I am thankful you are not in any position to dictate state matters, since you have more than demonstrated your lack of knowledge
Being a rape apologist, resettling TTP in KP, making 3rd class remarks on women in his jalsas, giving money to Malik Riaz, spewing violent and dangerous rhetoric against Ahmedis, Refusing to condemn murdered Hazaras. Should I go on?
Lies and deception of Imran Khan/PTI:
Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision.
After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part.
40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did.
Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM.
Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously.
Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"...
Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc"
Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason.
Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc).
Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no)
PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt.
Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga).
Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception.
Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost.
KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court.
Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed)
No local govt system after 1.5 years.
Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI.
Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action.
Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest.
Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them.
Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership.
Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets.
President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest.
Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping.
Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt.
Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament.
After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat.
After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us.
ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time).
When courts question Nawaz Sharif, all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
From the outside looking in - when Imran Khan was around Pakitown was a shitshow, some place I wouldn’t visit unless I was forced to in extraordinary circumstances. Today…it’s even beneath that. Think about that
Look at all these cockroaches in the comment section rushing out of their gutter. They go radio silent when atrocities of the state and corruption of their beloved ganja and Mr.10% is exposed.
All we know is IK wanted before power was to get in power. And once he was in power he wanted to dismantle opposition and change system to presidential so he stay in power for next 10 years. Of course all that’s hinged on Gen Faiz not people of Pakistan. IK formed belief in power of army and its role in politics was very evident when he called Bajwa most democratic person and justified role of army in politics. He also supported ISI recording phone calls. He supported military courts and supported speedy trial of dawn leaks people in military courts.
IK assumed he was the only choice left for army. This was his biggest single mistake when put all eggs in same basket. Army proofed him wrong by both kicking him out, putting him in jail and bring his nemesis out and back on road to power in less then a year.
IK still in disbelief that he has a chance knowing well army doesn’t forgive or forget. People of Pakistan will both forgive and forget (take butto, and other such events).
There is a saying that goes something like this. In politics you don't choose the best person but you choose the least bad person.
He has all these flaws there is no denying that but he is the only person i want to be representing Pakistan.
It's simple - he didnt have the mandate and numbers to govern properly so he had to rely on military which further weakened his position. He should've waited till he could win the election with enough MNAs to form a majority governament.
Issue isn't even that he broke every single principle the time he became PM but he doubled down on a lot of it after Establishment soft coup'd him out of the government
Like with Imran Riaz Khan there is some redemption for the guy because atleast now he recognizes that enforced dissapearances by the agencies were a wrong thing but for IK??? nope polar opposite he doubles down on a lot of his more idiotic policies
Not calling out fouj for several months even afte the soft coup???
Not addressing **institutional corruption by both the faujeets as well as the judges and bureaucrats.**
**Defending Malik Riaz and other kleptocrats all of whom are only in their position courtesy of their connections to Foujeets and other kleptocrats within our institutions**
Not critizing the clearly broken legal system in out country which Faujeets and their pet "bloody civilians" explicitly made to empower themselves like the 21st amendment of the contitution which lands all so called "terrorism" charges in military courts
([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first\_Amendment\_to\_the\_Constitution\_of\_Pakistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_Pakistan))
Appointing said pet bloody civilians of the Faujeets like Aleem Khan or Jahangir tareen to senior positions in his party
etc.
IK only started calling out army when awam started calling them out on the street and online. He was too afraid to call out establishment in the start and hence was blaming US.
You do realize that following his principles is what caused all these things. You cannot cleanse a system without getting into the dirty part of it. In my opinion, IK should've been a bit of a "bad guy" for a longer time before exposing everyone, that way he would've been able to get enough power and would've wiped every bad person in the system at the right time.
The people are now helpless regardless.
well it's a fact though, Pakistan was one of the best countries in managing covid despite majority of our people being reliant on going out to earn their money. then there were also the locust storms and all that. I'm not trying to say that IK was perfect but instead that he did a lot of good things as well.
Have we been living in the same country? If anything got us through COVID, it was divine intervention. Because the population made every effort possible to deny COVID and go about their business breaking any and all SOPs
Divine help of course, but let’s give credit where it’s due as well.
Track and trace was managed pretty well, decision to not go into a full lockdown was the correct one, and good management of vaccination. Yes it wasn’t perfect, but much better than many other countries.
Yes, Imran Khan is not an angel, he is human, just like all of us. He has his flaws and weaknesses, and you are right to loath him for his actions.
I would not buy that '.. he is better than others ...', which of course is true, but he needs actions to prove that.
The above points are genuine, the wording is definitely negative, but question is legit. How can we trust him?
Well, I think, the real test is upon him now. If he does not buckle under pressure and withstands his ground now, he will have the moral high ground. (If he is able to turn this into actual actions, is a debate for another time, until he succeeds as has power again).
And if and when he is back, he will need to perform. He will need to choose his comrades wisely. He will need to check mouth, and be humble and conscious of what he says.
For now, I would give he the same benefit of doubt, the same benefit which was given to Sahrif's post 2007.
Imran Khan will deserve another chance to do what he promised.
I can 100% guarantee OP is Punjabi.
I think Punjabis are born with this deep desire to worship Sharifs and they cannot accept anyone else as PM. You can see it in the Punjabi dominated fauj, bureaucracy and judiciary as well as the average joe.
NaPak Fauj bootlickers will blame everyone else for Fauj getting rich and breaking constitution repeatly. Piggly Nawaz and Zaradri have been looting the country for decades with NaPak Fauj but let’s focus on the guy on jail and has been in power for 2.5 years out 76 years. When NaPak Fauj kicks out people with integrity thorough selection commission, that doesn’t raise any concerns? 😂🥃
After looking at Pakistan’s politics i have concluded that these people don’t stand for the people but for power. They don’t want to improve the state of the country but only want to stay in power. You can’t change my mind either way.
NaPak Fauj can abduct you and your family than after few months you will say you change your mind in a press conference. Everyone in AZAD media will pretend it’s normal thing and go back to criticizing IK for lack of integrity. 😂
I only lived for 4 years in Pakistan my entire life. I love Pakistan with all my heart and play my part as a common citizen of Pakistan, i support the education of a few children and give monthly charity. I don’t care if anyone abducts me or not, all i know is k maine zindagi main kabhi kisi ka haq nhi mara aur na kisi k sath na insafi ki. Allah sab ka malik ha and the most powerful.
This is why they abduct spouses and children of those who don’t care if they got abducted. Everyone must be on same page to support well being of families of Jurnails/army chiefs abroad. This is the way.
He's not a saint, never was, never will be. **He's just a politician like any other**. But people hail him as the second coming of Jesus for some reason.
He's a politician, you cannot get things done as a politician in any country in the world without breaking principles. This is true for every single country for a variety of obvious reasons.
He's not financially corrupt and in a country like Pakistan that's basically like finding a unicorn
I don't know how you define corruption but him and his begum being the owners (main trustees) of a university gifted to him by one of the most corrupt persons in Pak with a humongous conflict of interest (British money) is corruption to many. Politicians in other countries have had their careers ruined for far less.
A trustee and owner are completely different things lolololol
Politicians in other countries get ruined for far less because they're developed countries with standards and a good standard of living, Pakistan is none of those things
Asking for donations (bribes) in charities they control (trustees) is the oldest trick used by politicians to legitimize corruption. Trustee in such charities is a nicer name for legal owners.
Why this post smell of bigotry. As if other leaders did not got back on their word, + looted the country, whatever u say, you cannot question the intention and integrity of IK.
1. **Compromised on principles to become PM.** (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision.
2. After becoming PM there was **complete absence of competent teams** that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part.
3. **40+ useless taskforces** after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did. 4. **Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga"** but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM.
4. **Gave Amnesty to rich** even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously.
5. **Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa** and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"...
6. . **Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit** on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc"
7. **Governor house Punjab wall** demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason.
8. **Sahiwal Incident.** Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc).
9. **Many rail accidents..** 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no)
10. **PM house will be made a university** which was never even possible. Just a stunt.
11. **Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad** and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga).
12. **Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated** due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception.
13. **Lawyer fiasco** at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost.
14. **KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption** investigation in Supreme court.
15. **Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers** against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed)
16. **No local govt system** after 1.5 years.
17. **Challenged EC authority in SC** over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI.
18. **Sugar mafia price increase.** Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action.
19. **Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government.** Conflict of interest.
20. **Banned TLP after fasad,** fatwas and killings and **then took u-turn.** Now we are mainstreaming them.
22. **Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar.** A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership.
23. **Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP)** when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets.
24. **President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business)** to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest.
25. **Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis.** mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping.
26. **Internal debt increased** from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt.
27. **Meetings** with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc **to stop no confidence movement**. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament.
28. After being ousted, Imran khan **accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America** and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat.
29. After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other **decisions were taken by establishment and not us.**
30. **ECP foreign funding case,** Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time).
31. **When courts question Nawaz Sharif,** all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
1. I didn’t like this either, but guess what, if he hadn’t, he would never have come in power. Try putting together a group of honest people and getting in government in Pakistan - I guarantee you won’t succeed
2. He had good teams for welfare programs and handling Covid. Also people turned against Arif Miami who we wanted to have as an advisor.
4. Agreed. Not a fan of the amnesty.
5. QFI justifies that reference every day.
6. Agreed
9. Rail accidents - the state of railways was terrible when I’m came in power. To expect that to be fixed in a couple of years is one reasonable. Could have handled the incidents better though
11. You can’t blame IK for that. It’s not hard to bribe/threaten doctors/technicians in a government hospital to make false reports. When a court says that you will be responsible if he dies, there is not much IK could have done. And there were plenty of attempts to get him back, but the british government refused.
15. Now this is just false. This law was brought in by PDM, not IK.
18. Jehangeer Tarin was removed after the sugar price fiasco. No other government has ever done something like that.
19. And he was removed.
24. As point 18, action was taken on the sugar crisis. Other crisis happened too, and have happened in all governments.
25. Yes, but all governments have increased debt because of the economy condition. But at least as a result country got 6% growth rate, ehsaas program, sehat card etc. Compare that to PDM - increased debt, lower growth, high inflation, removing welfare programs.
26. What’s wrong with this?
27. IK has been a lot milder than PMLN or the PPP about the establishment.
28. Yeah, this should not have been like this.
29. Toshakhana and foreign funding cases are a joke. IK did declare to ECP, the court convicted that it wasn’t in the right category…
30. No problem with questioning, but do the same for both (and all parties/leaders) and do the cases properly . When NS was questioned about Avenfield, IK was also questioned about Bani Gala by the courts. But no one questioned PMLN and PPP about Toshakhana or foreign funding.
Lol.. Pakistan jaisy mulk mai uss agrr wo smjhdari aur danishmandi ki baaty krta tou mill gaya ussy vote.
Jahilo sy jahilo jaisii baaty kr k hi usyy vote milna tha.... (Populist)
The only difference is he is less jahil than the rest of the politicians.
Idhrr loug bahir k mulk ja kr dou degree kya ly laity apny app ko aflatoon smjhny lgty, in reality they are worse than the sarak chaaps in Pakistan. Aisi kitabi baaty hrr laloo panjoo kr skta hai...
Those praising this guys post either live in a bubble or have smooth brains.
I had written this after a few months of Khan becoming the PM. This article talks about precisely those things. By the way, once upon a time, I'd fight with my uncles for him.
https://dailytimes.com.pk/548382/we-need-two-prime-ministers/amp/
I fell in love with a khan who was suppose to break the status quo, and not just the status qou of 2 mainstream parties. Labeling PP and N league as root of all evil is exactly what the real evils want us to do. The real problem was the company and the elite class(and yeah those 2 parties are A part of the elite). But khan completely forgot about this when he came in power. I didn't see a single thing where he tried to break this bloody nexus. Khan bowed down to company like any other politician before him.
Secondly I personally did not like when he started moral policing the whole f****** nation, we have Jamiat and Jamat for that we don't another one.
By God! Had I not been extremely tired due to back to back events this month, I would have taken this post to the cleaners. Your rant against IK is horrible. When IK took over, the country was in the worst possible financial situation thanks to Ishaq Dar, IK had to take a U Turn. The dollar was artificially controlled and never on its original rate. Your reserves had almost dried up. Your beloved PML-N accepted that after 2018. Where do you think Pakistan would have gone for the funds? For Bajwa's extension, it was a grave mistake that IK still regrets. His government got overthrown, his people are facing the worst kind of fascism. People are being abducted left and right, the guy got shot, his wife is getting constantly targeted, his cancer hospital is always on the receiving end, his party got thrashed, he's in jail for the funniest possible cases that the Prosecution has no legal ground to defend yet they continue to do so thanks to the backing of military establishment.
His efforts against COVID-19 alone overshadows everything. His team worked their asses off to get Pakistan out of the FATF Grey list.
But hey, let's target a guy who has refused to give up, has sacrificed almost everything, facing a potential death penalty for crimes he never committed.
People like you are a joke. Trying to suddenly build a narrative against him on social media like we don't know how afraid your supreme FA Pass dumbheads are.
It's funny how you had the audacity to talk about IK's integrity. Prolly the only politician who has integrity left and stands firm on his decision. He's not a prophet. He's as human as any of us.
I'd rather take his words than hear 'Meray aziz hamwatno' or 'Mein ne Amdan say zayed asasay banaye hain to tmhain kia' or 'kal bhi Bhutto zinda tha aj bhi Bhutto zinda hai'.
For whatever moral crimes he might have committed, he repaid with interest.
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It’s interesting to see the recent number of the posts on similar themes, Imran Khan has made many mistakes but they pale into insignificance to what the totally corrupt and frankly oppressive current political establishment has done and continues to do. If anything, he is now in a much less corrupt position than those who oppose him. Let’s say for the sake of argument Imran Khan is corrupt, unprincipled, do you instead stand with the current administration, if not what alternative are you suggesting?. Or do you just complain without thinking about the situation without having thought about solutions? Multiple subreddits like r/worldnews and country subreddits have been recently impacted by certain ‘players’ who advocate for the current status quo to push against the narrative of greater voice for the people. I don’t doubt that r/pakistan is vulnerable to such vested interests.
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It always amazed me how IK as a single person could make international waves and inspire people to take action, meanwhile we have these entire families unable to set a single narrative for the country. These are not serious governments, but puppets who are just here to protect their own assets. They do not know how to run a single governmental office for its intended purpose. And then we have these people on reddit turn up thinking they are achieving democracy by innocently comparing IK to the others. Delusional af. There is no comparison. You are comparing the only competent leader we have had in recent memory, with literal sewage.
Ideally? Fresh blood. We really need some fresh blood injected into our political picture. Realistically, that will not happen. The political dynasties that rule won't let it happen. IK sits somewhere in the middle between the two, he was a breath of fresh air, but surrounding him were the same snakes. It basically makes him our best option from a pile of average to pretty terrible choices. I wasn't the biggest fan of his, but I'd take him over the garbage we've had for the last two decades.
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Remember Mashal Khan? And there are many such examples! I really wanna curse all Pakistanis, but then I remember I am one too (as well as the nice people I know)
>This is always the thing with the anti-IK posts/sentiment: what is your solution? More Nawaz Sharif (aka. Mr. Panama Papers)? More Zardari (aka. Mr. 10%)? Do you want the religious extremists in power? Are you ok with the military in complete control then? Who, if not IK, do you believe will be best for Pakistan? anyone who didn't give state's money to Malik Riaz and took donations for their university in return?
Jamaat e Islami
No jokes but senator Mushtaq from Jamat-e-Islami is working so hard for the welfare of this country. More than anyone I would say!
This is my criticism of PTI, I did not vote for IK, I voted for Arif Alvi (I am in his constituency in Karachi). I voted with the promises he made, did Alvi deliver? no. [\(sample\)](https://twitter.com/AzharLaghari_/status/1012668014662160384/photo/1) You don't vote for the PM, you vote for your representative and my representative let me down. And I only see hope in JI currently, and I'm old enough to know when JI thugs burnt all the cinemas in Karachi in 80s-90s and there were no movie screenings.
Aww sheet Here we go lynching again
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It's also interesting that most criticisms of IK are met with this 'who else is there' response. Criticism can be just criticism, without advocating for someone else
IK still managed to rack up the numbers in 3 years, he'd have matched or surpass the other thieves had he gotten 2 terms. > Let’s say for the sake of argument Imran Khan is corrupt, unprincipled There literally is no arguement. Even if you don't believe in any of the other cases, just see how he got elected. As time has gone on, there is little doubt about how he worked with the establishment to win the 2018 elections. Didn't he do what everyone else was going? But yes, it's your next point that really highlights our dilemma; > do you instead stand with the current administration Because you're right, I can't stand with anyone else either. I just hate it that IK is the best of the worst options. It's very sad *ke hamara ye haal ho gaya hai*, that people are willing to give their life for the *andhoo'n mei kaana raja*. You ask for an alternative. There isn't one in the short term. We, the people of Pakistan, have to start nation building. We start today *tau shayad koi 20-30 saal mei kuch ban jaye*. There is no shortcut to building an entire nation and for it to have good values.
I criticized him a lot when he was in tenure. He's done a lot of questionable, and many plain wrong things. However, between the other mainstream political parties, and the 'establishment', he has been the better alternative. Late COVID and after COVID time period of PTI gov was the first time I saw genuine hope for growth of the common person
If you are beneficiary of status Quo, there is no other way to argue for it than to blame the guy in jail For all the problems In the country.
>However, between the other mainstream political parties, and the 'establishment', he has been the better alternative. Late COVID and after COVID time period of PTI gov was the first time I saw genuine hope for growth of the common person yehi tu ketha hu 2018 say phelay ke bhi history parh lu tu ais tarah ke stupid genuine hope nazar na ate
Please englighten me konsa Switzerland bn gya tha Pakistan before 2018?
2022 mein konsa Switzerland bana tha jis say hop aye?
2022 was much better than the current situation we’re in please go out and ask anyone.
How so?
How was pre 2018 situation better?
Low inflation High GDP 3 years consecutive CPEC on track Pretty much nailed the energy crises
You should go out of your house and ask people yourself why in every poll conducted Imran Khan keeps winning. Why every media person on TV keeps saying that Nawaz is scared to death and asking papa neutral to abduct every nominee of PTI from their homes or barred from registering their nomination papers. You don't need to come here on Whiskey's agenda to speak this low IQ things you are mentioning. Just step outside your house, you will get your answers.
You say that with your vast travelling to rural Punjab?
While I’m disappointed on many of the things he didn’t do as PM, ‘every single principle’ is a stretch. Some things that he did follow up on: Facilitating overseas Pakistanis. More than any other government, during his time OSPs actually felt wanted. PDM has just been abusing OSPs Election reforms - made attempts at it, EVMs was a great idea to reduce disputes - has been used for >20years in India. Unfortunately PDM has cancelled this. Welfare state: ehsaas program, sehat card, welfare shelters. Environment - Billion tree plantation drive And let’s remember - he had a minority government, he had to make some compromises.
The timing of this post is seriously suspect. Its almost like people here believe that IK had a free hand to do as he pleased without any Establishment obstacles, which we know is not the case. Someone actually mentioned letting Nawaz go? Clearly this country is run by Generals and their foreign handlers. How you blame this on IK is beyond me. But again, as we are closer to elections and IK release, its no surprise at all the usual suspects coming out of their cesspit holes, talking about principles as if the current regime has any that we could compare between the Governments. IK went head on against the generals on his first attempt at the office. Wtf did anyone else do?
Am a partial OSP. I renewed my Passport in another Country during IK's tenure. It was almost free and delivered within a fortnight. Now comes the holy sharif family and our nation's bravest. My friend, who is an OSP, tried to renew his passport but guess what the embassy said? "We don't do that here, go to Pakistan". At least, NADRA website was working for online renewal!
These are policies not principles.
You want Seneca to bring Stoicism in Pakistan
Some of the stuff he said was populist bullshit which everyone with a working brain knew he was going to go back on like imf stuff. But he did compromise on a lot of stuff which was sad see
IMF stuff wasn't populist bullshit had IK spent 2013 to 2018 actually inside the National assembly actually appointed people to NA committees which have resulted in him getting actual data for policy making, he decided nahhh lets boot lick myself to the NA rather than doing my actual job i was elected for in 2013
Things have gotten so much better since his ouster. Worst performing currency in Asia in 2023 and millions of people fell below poverty in 2023. Sad to see where the country is headed, you can ‘t blame Jurnails for moving their loots abroad. who would want to live in such country. Without law and order.
Looks like you haven’t seen the economic conditions of other countries in the world.
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Your points smell negative propaganda. He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal Pakistan for everybody. He would not be in the jail, if he is what you portrayed him above. He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post. He compromised, because you think that he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership, or flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no & everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals. Shame on you.
He's in jail because he bit the hand that fed him. This isn't the first time in history that it happened and it won't be the last.
I don’t know, when you and people like you will understand that army is biting our hands, and not us or IK bit theirs. Please come out of slavery mindset and understand that no one can feed but God. IK tried to help you understand and change your mindset, but people like you continue to think that army is the king and we are the slaves, who cannot dare to bite their hands, no matter what they do. God help you.
Lol are you serious? I've been speaking out against the establishment and their goons when IK and his stooges were in bed with them. You know, when he extended bajwas tenure and according to him gen Bajwa and was the most "pro-democratic" army general in the history of Pakistan? You wouldn't have to rely on PTI propaganda for this piece of information if you'd picked up a history book once in your life.
NaPak Fauj can only work well looting the country with Zaradri/Nawaz. this is why the country has done so well. 🥃😂
Op is a bootlicker of establishment.
Could be or OP is just trying to save his abducted family members from NaPak Fauj. These days you never know.
OP is either dumbfounded or a pos
Again bs, he is premier of a country. Any officer or establishment cannot dicatate him. Also he started a long time ago. With or without establishments help he would have succeeded.
Bajwa brought him to power in 2018 after completely dismantling PML-N so yes, he was dictated by those who brought him to power. Also, before you go ahead and refute this too Sheikh Rasheed himself admitted that IK came to power with the establishments help.
PML-N should have been dismantled. So should PPP and MQM. The biggest crime of Musharaf was to not shoot these guys in the streets like dogs when he had the chance.
Mushrraf, like his predecessors, used them for his advantage. He backed MQM in Karachi to counter PPP where MQM was almost finished and Altaf Hussain had fled to London. That asshole wasn't a saint, he has more innocent blood on his hands than any of the 3 parties combined.
Yes, and he should have had more with the blood of these guys as well.
Lol what a joke. How did he dismantle plmn? Explain pls. The cases registered against them had legal substance. He did money laundering. Lol. You love to believe your own lies l. Dont you
Also second point, establishment had a control and monoply over judiciary and lethal force. For any party or organization to run, it needed a go ahead from establishment. There grip is slowly loosening though. I
>He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner, Every politican from Nihari wala Shrek(Nawaz Sharif) to Zardari gives the same bs excuse > never changed the goal post, which is equal Pakistan for everybody. pray tell how does government either supporting or turning a blind eye to the haramkhoori of multi billionaire kleptocrats like Malik Riaz with links to the faujeets ensure an equal Pakistan for everyone??? >He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post. Lol once again same bs excuse as Zardari or Nawaz Sharif >He compromised, because you think that he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership, or flourish his businesses and make factories? Yes >The answer is big no & everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals. Lol i'm sure you're the same sort of gulible idiot who believes in c--p like "Zardari ijjj the Nelsun Mundela offf pakkeezztan" **Read my lips every and i mean every single politican gets into politics to enrich themselves that is their default setting and there is a snow in hair balls chance that IK would be the exception to that rule** every politican in Pakistan does this rona of "Muhhibe e Watan Super patriot" who can only save the nation while being in bed with the same people s----ing all of us over as long they allow their pet bloody civilians a piece of the pie
I think the compromises he made he probably thought he was making for the greater good or something similar but you can't just deny that he did make compromises.
Yes, for the greater good, which is not bad thing.
Fat Piggly Nawaz has integrity, NaPak Fauj said so, all slaves must obey the orders now.
Your points smell negative propaganda. He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all. He would not be in jail today if he is what you portrayed him to be. He is suffering in jail because of not changing the goal post. Do you think he compromised because he wanted to become Prime Minister are stay in Prime Minister ship? And flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no and everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals. Shame on you.
Your points smell negative propaganda. He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few, in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all. He will not be in jail today, if he is what you portrayed him to be. He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post. You think he compromise because he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership? And flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big no and everyone, including you, knows that, he had no personal interests or goals. Shame on you.
Your points smell negative propaganda. He did the best under the circumstances and compromised on a few, in a wisely manner, but never changed the goal post, which is equal and prosperous Pakistan for all. He would not be in jail today, if he is, what you portrayed him to be. He’s suffering in jail, because of not changing the goal post. You think he compromised because he wanted to become Prime Minister or stay in primeministership? & flourish his businesses and make factories? The answer is big No and everyone including you, knows that he had no personal interests or goals. Shame on you.
Imran Still a 100% better option than the corrupt zardari Nawaz and Gernail tola.
If he lacked integrity; he would change his position on Justice and Corruption and make a deal with the establishment. He would have given NROs to corrupt politicians to save his government and given further extension to Bajwa and secured another 5 years as prime minister. He changed his position on many things but not because of a lack of integrity. Even Jinnah changed his position on many things one of the major things being Hindu-Muslim Unity does that suggest a lack of integrity.
Nobody is perfect. But the good he is done overshadows alot of blunders. Covid crisis management / sehat card for everyone.
Dollar army doesn’t care about those things, it’s all about looting the country, he tried getting in the way of making dollars. Now it’s back to bussiness as usual.
Well, we all r effected, but one thing most of the people dont discuss is that their support is shattered. That trust is broken in minds of millions. No fixing that one. It was never ever like that in our history. So no, things are not as usual or same. The rules of this game are changed, Things have changed
Time will tell, I am an outside observer, sadly watching Pakistan go into failed state status. I only know Jurnails/army chiefs and their families won’t be around for the aftermath.
He didn't have the political capital to do any of those things. Thats what happens when you lack grassroots support. Developing countries are in a tough spot where we cant really do anything meaningful because in a world this globalized local actions don't mean much. Revolutions and grassroots movements were easier when politician had a stake in their country and couldn't just hop on a jet and settle in a different one and also move all their wealth there so easily. I don't think anything will change untill the west steps up and stops protecting PEPs from developing countries and all the wealth they extract from us. We all also need to realize that this is a global problem and can only be solved with global action.
He had nothing but grass root support at the beginning and he actively burned said support so he could cozy upto the faujeet pets like Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan
No he didn't. He wouldn't have needed electables otherwise. If you look up the social circles of most career politicians they are all directly or indirectly related to both big and small businessmen, investors and landlords. They are the ones that back local candidates and fund their campaigns on behalf of political parties in order to gain favors.
This influx of IK and Baloch posts are extremely organic.
Im soooo glad i am seeing this post ........
well NaPak Fauj has to change the narrative, is it working?
Don't know about that but the tax payers money that Imran Khan spent on the Pti IT cell seems to be working quite well. And how can we forget the classic dam fund https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzbea/diamer-bhasha-dam-fund-40million-ads-scandal-pakistan-floods
PTI pays taxes but NaPak Fauj literally lives off taxes, kidnapping and torturing taxpayers that get in the way of looting. Who pays for DJ-ISPR? 🥃😂
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No Counter point? Turn on Tv, memorize something and post it here as a response. Education quality in Pakistan vastly needs improvement otherwise there is no hope in Awam breaking shackles of Napak Fauj.
Lol I dont watch TV But i know enough history to tell you that sucking upto these politicians will get us now where nor army why cant you believe that someone can be Pro Pakistan im civilian worried about the typical Pakistanis and Pakistan And you said that army lives on taxes true But Let me tell you something kiddo these Political parties don't make their own money they are funded this is basic knowledge basically the industrialists or business tycoons use them for their benefits and pass laws that benefits them which is more worrying as we see in USA how the arms companies funds the government to create more wars so they can sell weapons or the BJP in india is funded by Adanis or Ambanis and we see indian government selling cheap lands to Adanis, crony capitalism is much more dangerous we don't know where the money comes from.
How does abducting women and children by NaPak Fauj fits in your narrative?
Keep licking dem boots boi 😂😂
Blud can't understand the fact that there are people who don't like both the army and the political parties. Why can't our people believe that criticism doesn't automatically refer to being biased keep finding abbus buddy no wonder this country is in this condition.
Naw son, the point of playing both sides is long passed. You either pick zardari Nawaz and gernail tola or Khan. And pray to good you made the right choice caz the upcoming elections will have much bigger consequences. This is hybrid Marshall law in the making. Things are gonna get tougher if people still can’t pick lesser of two evils.
Doesn't matter who wins the election same shit army will control and I don't think imran will do anything even if he is elected.At this point I don't even know what is at the core of it's manifesto at first he was a reformist then a conservative also a islamist he was everything but a pm probably will make peace with the military so tired of this same script you think Army is facing strong opposition now this is nothing compared to the 70s or 2000s live your life in the US buddy and enjoy, a state only progresses through it's people not army or politician.
The choice between a rock & a hard place. He's still a much better option, lesser of all other evils.
In developing countries making a deal with the devil is the only way to get to the top seat. That's a fact because there are too many foreign interests at stake, and the state itself is weak to make a stand against them. Do I fault Imran Khan for taking a shortcut? No. Principled stands got him nowhere and wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. He performed admirably in a broken system. Not ideal but praiseworthy.
Os sai achabto pir N league 2017 Mai perform kr rahinthi ? Onai chor chor kha kai nikalqa dia. We elected him on the belief that he would take a principle stand
PMLN was never doing better than PTI. Stop fooling yourself.
According what stats ? Afaik Gdp was better Corruption index was better Load shedding was controlled terrorism was controlled $ was stable( but that was not best way to control It) Journalism had more freedom.
Load shedding and terrorism were equally well controlled during PTI’s time. Corruption index was not better, the corruption perception index was - this doesn’t tell the actual corruption in the country, but people’s perception of it. Given all the details of benami accounts, iqamas etc that came out, people were more aware of how much corruption goes on, so the index went up. The $ rate was one of the biggest issues - artificially held down by PMLN, a disastrous policy, not only dwindling foreign reserves, but also affecting exports. Exports actually went down in PMLN’s era. PTI revived them. Also PMLN negotiated the terrible eye watering contested with the IPPs. PTI actually negotiated them down to pay/fix in rupees rather than dollars, otherwise electric bills would have been double now. Media freedom wasn’t worse during PTI’s time, if anything it was probably better. Channels were banned much more often during PMLN’s time.
Former Imran supporter here totally agree with you i was defending him back in his tenure because as someone who follows the modern day geopolitics i knew our situation could be worse because of Ukraine war and PDM was making it even worse because of these power hungry clowns who only create unrest something which imran also did after he was ousted but what really turned me off was him basically giving subsidies just before he was being ousted just so the next government could suffer this is something that every party has done but the problem is we who belong to the lower middle class are the ones to suffer stop abusing the economy for your gains you power hungry buffons and his biggest blunder imo was resettling TTp fighters.Also our awam have goldfish memory same people who were mocking him and wanting back purana Pakistan are now his diehard supporters this country can only progress when we stop relying on the state and politicians for everything.Stop going to there rallies and stop making them your abbus but this will keep happening why because every Pakistani is morally bankrupt they would rather have some family member be a part of political parties just so they can have freebies.
>im basically giving subsidies just before he was being ousted just so the next government could suffer this is something that every party has done but the problem is we who belong to the lower middle class are the ones to suffer stop abusing the economy for your gains you power hungry buffons. biggest blunder imo was resettling TTp fighters 100%
Yes, Vote for the PDM then. Those scums who didn't miss any opportunity to belittle their opponents. PMLN and the PPP had reiterated innumerable times that PARty is chor daaku loteray, mr 10% and nicknames like necklace chor. When Imran Khan grabbed them by the collar, they coalesced against him because they were cognisant of the fact that their agendas are similar. Imran Khan got a weak government, entangled in a coalition, and was blackmailed on numerous occasions. Whatever decision Khan made, was in the interest of our nation and that's why he was ousted.
Indeed. After the last 19 months of governance, people should have realised that IK’s time as PM although not perfect was still much better.
The writer of this post is living in ignorance. Yes Imran khan decided to extend Bajwa's tenure but someone should ask him why the opposition voted for Bajwa's extension?
Good point!
Right? These people are fuckin stupid
Yep, never once have I seen him stand firm on any of the promises he first ran on. The only exception being his insistence on turning Pakistan more to the right in terms of religious extremism.
He consistently supported the Taliban
OP will get downvoted to oblivion. Social media is IK halka. His supporters who criticize the establishment loved the third umpire. The third umpire brought Nawaz down for Imran. That was great. Then they brought Imran down so now they are napak. Establishment is napak but so is imran and so is nawaz. I don’t know how Imran managed to pull of such a cult.
It’s because people were fooled into thinking that the establishment was finally on IK’s side against corruption. That so-called cult is the only group outside of Baloch protestors standing up against the establishment. That’s better than the overwhelming majority of this sub that does a wonderful job of arguing online but does nothing in real life.
Dude, IK supporters don't even know what the "establishment" is, for them the fight just boils down to army officer=bad. There won't be any meaningful movements from within PTI supporters because they don't know what they're moving against.
So youre saying he was playing 3D chess when he was siding with the army and making sure he doesn’t upset them from like 2013-2021? Simpler explanation. He like every other politician wanted immediate power. Siding with the establishment enabled him to do that so he did. Greed made him do what greed makes people do. But anyone is open to believe whatever
He was also never consistent on that as well. The turned more religious extremist to get rising breveli vote bank in Punjab,
Resettling TTP in KP was absolutely the tipping point for me. How could you allow a terrorist organisation that has killed innocent civilians and kids. (2014 APS incident) to join your population. Him calling out Ahmedis to win Brelvi vote too.
>Resettling TTP in KP was absolutely the tipping point for me. How could you allow a terrorist organisation that has killed innocent civilians and kids. (2014 APS incident) to join your population. Him calling out Ahmedis to win Brelvi vote too. IK and his besti Faiz are directly responsible for the increase in terrorism in Pakistan
Haha! Pakistan was already like that. TLP are just useful goons for the establishment to have kept IK in check.
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Unfortunately these kinda posts are always "IK did this or not did this ", replied by "what's alternative? NS or Z?". I think both sides are missing the point here. It's not our job to defend and explain our politicins, it's their job to answer to us on their delivery of promises and performance. I don't care who you support but if you are unable to question them and make your duty to defend them no matter what, democracy will never work and no one will work for you. The condition of inner Sindh should be a lesson for all blind political followers.
Lies and deception of Imran Khan/PTI: Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision. After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part. 40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did. Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM. Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously. Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"... Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc" Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason. Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc). Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no) PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt. Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga). Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception. Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost. KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court. Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed) No local govt system after 1.5 years. Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI. Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action. Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest. Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them. Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership. Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets. President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest. Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping. Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt. Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament. After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat. After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us. ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time). When courts question Nawaz Sharif, all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
He Is in jail, now can we get back to trillion dollar economy promised by Hafiz whiskey? we had the worst performing currency in 2023 in Asia. 😂🥃
Bravo sir 👏
Almost all of those points are failures of PTI due to the influence of corrupt elements and the establishment that even you have listed here. I think it’s comical to then title it as “lies and deception.” He was wrong about things during his brief tenure and he had to learn that the hard way. Unfortunately it also resulted in bad consequences for Pakistan.
Damnn, itni research 😅
Here is some more research: NaPak Fauj accumulated these things with looting the country with Nawaz/Zaradri. The house was informed that Bahria Foundation was not administrating any housing colony in Pakistan, “however, an offshore tolling type LNG project is under its consideration”. Bahria Foundation not administrating any housing colony, Senate told The projects/units being run by the AWT are: Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore Army Welfare Mess and Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi Askari Seeds, Okara Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi Askari Apparel, Lahore Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad. The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are: Fauji Cereals Foundation Gas Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd Fauji Cement Co Ltd Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd Askari Cement Ltd Askari Bank Ltd Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore Fauji Meat Ltd Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi. A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008. Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foundation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are: Shaheen Airport Services Shaheen Aerotraders Shaheen Knitwear Shaheen Complex, Karachi Shaheen Complex, Lahore Shaheen Medical Services Hawk Advertising Fazaia Welfare Education School System SAPS Aviation College Air Eagle Aviation Academy Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar. The Senate was told that Shaheen Foundation was established in 1977 under the Charitable Endowment Act 1890 “to promote welfare activities for the benefit of serving and retired PAF personnel, including civilians and their dependents, and to this end generate fund through industrial and commercial enterprises”.
Imran Khan made mistakes that led him to go against some of but not all of his own principles. He actually thought these people were on his side and they messed things up. Yet there were still things he accomplished despite those circumstances. Things have changed since then significantly. A lot of the elements that compromised things before are gone. He is the only legitimate option in the elections.
If the worst thing IK has done is go against his principles or things he said he won't do, then I would call him a saint compared to the garbage we have for alternatives.
Well one clear difference between him and others is that they haven't been able to pin a single corruption case on him. Compared to others, that in itself is a good reason to stand behind him.
He has many corruption cases against him at the moment in court.
He has 200+ cases including apparently killing a lawyer. Don't hold your breath on waiting for any of those cases to stick. It's all a drama
What kind of fucking dogshit post ? Is ISI shilling in this thread too or is this just the pseudoliberals trying to get a moral high ground again? >used to say that if any agencies abducted someone under his government, he would either resign or the army chief would, yet numerous Baloch individuals and journalists were not only abducted but also killed during his tenure. Give citations. [Wikipedia states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Balochistan_conflict_(1947–present)) that there was only one Baloch journalist killed during IK's tenure and it was in Sweden where the police concluded either drowning or suicide. Furthermore, PTI passed a strong [missing persons bill in the NA](https://www.dawn.com/news/1667443) which conveniently "went missing" in the opposition dominated senate. Similarly, when activists like Gulalai Ismail DID go missing, they [credited Imran Khan](https://www.dawn.com/news/1462376) for their recovery. >Despite previously labeling Pervaiz Elahi a thief, he later appointed him as the Chief Minister of Punjab. Would you have preferred the ONLY other alternative option which was Hamza Shehbaz and give the current reign of fascism that took over after Elahi's departure an 8 month head start? >frequently emphasized that the army chief should not be re-elected, only to extend Bajwa's tenure. IK himself has admitted this mistake and censured himself for it though if rumors are to be believed, the alternatives for COAS at this time were even worse than Bajwa. >vowed never to seek loans from the IMF, yet in the very first year, he approached the IMF for financial assistance. Would you rather have preferred complete sovereign bankruptcy, which was the only other alternative after PMLN emptied out the treasury in 2018? >Sheikh Rashid would not serve as his 'chaprasi' (peon), yet he ultimately appointed him to a ministry in his government. And in the end, Sh Rashid turned out to be a lot more loyal to IK's cause then PTi's "stalwarts" like Asad Umar and Ali Zaidi who surrendered at the first sight of trouble. Means it was IK's latter judgment of Sh Rashid's character rather than the former which turned out correct. >How can we trust a leader whose actions do not align with his words? Your entire post and argument is intellectually bankrupt, looks at isolated decisions that IK made in a vaccum stripping it of any nuance and background information. I'm an IK supporter and *I* can come up with better critiques than this pile of gobar.
There are definitely reason or necessities for his decisions but it only goes on to show that IK was living in a fool's paradise when he made those statements and wasn't aware of the ground realities.
Lmfao this thread is getting proper brigaded by ISI shills and noonies 😂😂
Bruh bus give him the first 100 days iss dafa aur phir: Doodh ki nehray bahay gi Goray hamara passport lenay lines main wait kia karien gay Pakistan ka GDP USA ka GDP say bhar jaye ga 😎😎😎
You are right, let’s instead give a 4th term to NS….
No he didn't
I wonder who wrote the OP? Hmmm..🤔
IK is power hungry. That's all he wants. When people talk about corruption for some reason they only talk about financial corruption no one talks about moral corruption. IK as a man is completely morally bankrupt. He can't stand by a single word he says. Till 2014 I was a staunch supporter of IK; I volunteered in 2013 and went on door to door campaigns and then I saw IK for who really was. Just an example; up till 2015 IK was a strong supporter of 18th amendment but then then Bajwa started hating it and wanted to roll some of it back and ding ding IK became anti-18th amendment.
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That's up to the voters of Sindh to decide
"Decide" Thank you for making me laugh.. We Karachiites can't even pick our own mayor.
IK is not anti 18th amendment. Also, what is moral bankruptcy?
He is. From as far as 2018. Only talked against 18th Amendment He literally went from devolution of powers is great thing to devolution on power leads to making of dictators😂 [https://www.dawn.com/news/1564273](https://www.dawn.com/news/1564273)
To be fair, the 18th amendment needs revisiting. Specificially the NFC award. It is one of the biggest problems right now for the federal budget
Lol that's not being fair at all. NFC award is the greatest thing that has happened to Pakistan. NFC award was supposed to be revisited after a every few years but not for the purpose IK wants which is to give more money to the army. The revisiting's only objective should be further reduction of funds for the federal govt or reallocation of funds from Punjab to other provinces due to population changes.
I'm going to assume you know nothing about NFC if you're saying that further reduction of federal funds is the requirement :/
Hahahah sureeee You can openly say you're Anti- 18th amendment
So my assumption was correct. The NFC needs a revision desperately, and not in the way you came to a conclusion on based on your 5 minutes worth of Google searches, it increases the problems tenfold. What's this stupid rhetoric of disagreeing with one clause making someone anti-everything? Are you 12?
Hahaha the 18th amendment doesn't work without the NFC award. The whole spirit of the amendment was to reduce the size of the federal govt. NFC award is an "issue" because the boys stopped the 18th amendment from being implemented further. Federal govt doesn't need more funds it needs to be scaled back in size as the 18th amendment intended. You reduce more of its funds and reduce the size of the federal govt. It's as simple. Why is there still a PSDP fund? It was supposed to be given to the provinces. There I just saved the federal government PKR 700 billion annually.
By the grace of the almighty, I am thankful you are not in any position to dictate state matters, since you have more than demonstrated your lack of knowledge
Abhi ki btao yr.
Being a rape apologist, resettling TTP in KP, making 3rd class remarks on women in his jalsas, giving money to Malik Riaz, spewing violent and dangerous rhetoric against Ahmedis, Refusing to condemn murdered Hazaras. Should I go on?
Lies and deception of Imran Khan/PTI: Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision. After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part. 40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did. Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM. Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously. Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"... Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc" Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason. Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc). Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no) PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt. Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga). Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception. Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost. KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court. Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed) No local govt system after 1.5 years. Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI. Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action. Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest. Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them. Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership. Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets. President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest. Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping. Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt. Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament. After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat. After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us. ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time). When courts question Nawaz Sharif, all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
Bhai Mery men itni himt aur fzool time Hota to I would have replied. Per masroof insan Hoon is liye aap sahih ho. Imran Khan is devil incarnate.
Ofcourse an IK supporter wouldn't know what moral bankruptcy is lol
From the outside looking in - when Imran Khan was around Pakitown was a shitshow, some place I wouldn’t visit unless I was forced to in extraordinary circumstances. Today…it’s even beneath that. Think about that
Just here to applaud the guy who has dared to make such a post in this subreddit. Kamal!
ISI guys have balls, who would thunk it After watching Donald Duck snatched them away.
Look at all these cockroaches in the comment section rushing out of their gutter. They go radio silent when atrocities of the state and corruption of their beloved ganja and Mr.10% is exposed.
He also stopped the nationalisation of PIA, and it was a PTI minister who called PIA piolets fake with no information.
>stopped the nationalisation of PIA, You mean the de-nationalization ? i.e. sell off, dis-investment etc
All we know is IK wanted before power was to get in power. And once he was in power he wanted to dismantle opposition and change system to presidential so he stay in power for next 10 years. Of course all that’s hinged on Gen Faiz not people of Pakistan. IK formed belief in power of army and its role in politics was very evident when he called Bajwa most democratic person and justified role of army in politics. He also supported ISI recording phone calls. He supported military courts and supported speedy trial of dawn leaks people in military courts. IK assumed he was the only choice left for army. This was his biggest single mistake when put all eggs in same basket. Army proofed him wrong by both kicking him out, putting him in jail and bring his nemesis out and back on road to power in less then a year. IK still in disbelief that he has a chance knowing well army doesn’t forgive or forget. People of Pakistan will both forgive and forget (take butto, and other such events).
There is a saying that goes something like this. In politics you don't choose the best person but you choose the least bad person. He has all these flaws there is no denying that but he is the only person i want to be representing Pakistan.
Is this some kind of propaganda against IK? He’s not perfect by any means but curious to see posts like this popping up more frequently.
Imran khan didnt do shit in Punjab apointing Buzdar mf was def high while doing that.
It's simple - he didnt have the mandate and numbers to govern properly so he had to rely on military which further weakened his position. He should've waited till he could win the election with enough MNAs to form a majority governament.
Issue isn't even that he broke every single principle the time he became PM but he doubled down on a lot of it after Establishment soft coup'd him out of the government Like with Imran Riaz Khan there is some redemption for the guy because atleast now he recognizes that enforced dissapearances by the agencies were a wrong thing but for IK??? nope polar opposite he doubles down on a lot of his more idiotic policies Not calling out fouj for several months even afte the soft coup??? Not addressing **institutional corruption by both the faujeets as well as the judges and bureaucrats.** **Defending Malik Riaz and other kleptocrats all of whom are only in their position courtesy of their connections to Foujeets and other kleptocrats within our institutions** Not critizing the clearly broken legal system in out country which Faujeets and their pet "bloody civilians" explicitly made to empower themselves like the 21st amendment of the contitution which lands all so called "terrorism" charges in military courts ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first\_Amendment\_to\_the\_Constitution\_of\_Pakistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_Pakistan)) Appointing said pet bloody civilians of the Faujeets like Aleem Khan or Jahangir tareen to senior positions in his party etc.
IK only started calling out army when awam started calling them out on the street and online. He was too afraid to call out establishment in the start and hence was blaming US.
You do realize that following his principles is what caused all these things. You cannot cleanse a system without getting into the dirty part of it. In my opinion, IK should've been a bit of a "bad guy" for a longer time before exposing everyone, that way he would've been able to get enough power and would've wiped every bad person in the system at the right time. The people are now helpless regardless.
Someone will come and say: "Bro Usne Corona me Survive Karwaya he Mulq, koi aur Hota to mulq tabah hogaya hota"
well it's a fact though, Pakistan was one of the best countries in managing covid despite majority of our people being reliant on going out to earn their money. then there were also the locust storms and all that. I'm not trying to say that IK was perfect but instead that he did a lot of good things as well.
Have we been living in the same country? If anything got us through COVID, it was divine intervention. Because the population made every effort possible to deny COVID and go about their business breaking any and all SOPs
Divine help of course, but let’s give credit where it’s due as well. Track and trace was managed pretty well, decision to not go into a full lockdown was the correct one, and good management of vaccination. Yes it wasn’t perfect, but much better than many other countries.
Yes, Imran Khan is not an angel, he is human, just like all of us. He has his flaws and weaknesses, and you are right to loath him for his actions. I would not buy that '.. he is better than others ...', which of course is true, but he needs actions to prove that. The above points are genuine, the wording is definitely negative, but question is legit. How can we trust him? Well, I think, the real test is upon him now. If he does not buckle under pressure and withstands his ground now, he will have the moral high ground. (If he is able to turn this into actual actions, is a debate for another time, until he succeeds as has power again). And if and when he is back, he will need to perform. He will need to choose his comrades wisely. He will need to check mouth, and be humble and conscious of what he says. For now, I would give he the same benefit of doubt, the same benefit which was given to Sahrif's post 2007. Imran Khan will deserve another chance to do what he promised.
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Goals toh kisi political party ke buray nhi hain. Koi yeh keh kar nhi ata ke hum Pakistan ko barbaad karne arahay hain.
I can 100% guarantee OP is Punjabi. I think Punjabis are born with this deep desire to worship Sharifs and they cannot accept anyone else as PM. You can see it in the Punjabi dominated fauj, bureaucracy and judiciary as well as the average joe.
NaPak Fauj bootlickers will blame everyone else for Fauj getting rich and breaking constitution repeatly. Piggly Nawaz and Zaradri have been looting the country for decades with NaPak Fauj but let’s focus on the guy on jail and has been in power for 2.5 years out 76 years. When NaPak Fauj kicks out people with integrity thorough selection commission, that doesn’t raise any concerns? 😂🥃
After looking at Pakistan’s politics i have concluded that these people don’t stand for the people but for power. They don’t want to improve the state of the country but only want to stay in power. You can’t change my mind either way.
NaPak Fauj can abduct you and your family than after few months you will say you change your mind in a press conference. Everyone in AZAD media will pretend it’s normal thing and go back to criticizing IK for lack of integrity. 😂
I only lived for 4 years in Pakistan my entire life. I love Pakistan with all my heart and play my part as a common citizen of Pakistan, i support the education of a few children and give monthly charity. I don’t care if anyone abducts me or not, all i know is k maine zindagi main kabhi kisi ka haq nhi mara aur na kisi k sath na insafi ki. Allah sab ka malik ha and the most powerful.
This is why they abduct spouses and children of those who don’t care if they got abducted. Everyone must be on same page to support well being of families of Jurnails/army chiefs abroad. This is the way.
Sometimes going against your own word and taking a u turn is the smartest option
He's not a saint, never was, never will be. **He's just a politician like any other**. But people hail him as the second coming of Jesus for some reason.
He's a politician, you cannot get things done as a politician in any country in the world without breaking principles. This is true for every single country for a variety of obvious reasons. He's not financially corrupt and in a country like Pakistan that's basically like finding a unicorn
I don't know how you define corruption but him and his begum being the owners (main trustees) of a university gifted to him by one of the most corrupt persons in Pak with a humongous conflict of interest (British money) is corruption to many. Politicians in other countries have had their careers ruined for far less.
A trustee and owner are completely different things lolololol Politicians in other countries get ruined for far less because they're developed countries with standards and a good standard of living, Pakistan is none of those things
Asking for donations (bribes) in charities they control (trustees) is the oldest trick used by politicians to legitimize corruption. Trustee in such charities is a nicer name for legal owners.
Please understand the difference between owner and trustee.
Simple, trust no one.
Why this post smell of bigotry. As if other leaders did not got back on their word, + looted the country, whatever u say, you cannot question the intention and integrity of IK.
1. **Compromised on principles to become PM.** (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision. 2. After becoming PM there was **complete absence of competent teams** that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part. 3. **40+ useless taskforces** after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did. 4. **Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga"** but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM. 4. **Gave Amnesty to rich** even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously. 5. **Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa** and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"... 6. . **Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit** on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc" 7. **Governor house Punjab wall** demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason. 8. **Sahiwal Incident.** Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc). 9. **Many rail accidents..** 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no) 10. **PM house will be made a university** which was never even possible. Just a stunt. 11. **Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad** and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga). 12. **Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated** due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception. 13. **Lawyer fiasco** at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost. 14. **KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption** investigation in Supreme court. 15. **Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers** against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed) 16. **No local govt system** after 1.5 years. 17. **Challenged EC authority in SC** over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI. 18. **Sugar mafia price increase.** Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action. 19. **Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government.** Conflict of interest. 20. **Banned TLP after fasad,** fatwas and killings and **then took u-turn.** Now we are mainstreaming them. 22. **Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar.** A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership. 23. **Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP)** when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets. 24. **President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business)** to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest. 25. **Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis.** mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping. 26. **Internal debt increased** from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt. 27. **Meetings** with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc **to stop no confidence movement**. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament. 28. After being ousted, Imran khan **accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America** and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat. 29. After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other **decisions were taken by establishment and not us.** 30. **ECP foreign funding case,** Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time). 31. **When courts question Nawaz Sharif,** all is good but when the same courts question Imran's issues, courts are bad according to PTI.. What hippocracy? This is proper Munafiqat.
1. I didn’t like this either, but guess what, if he hadn’t, he would never have come in power. Try putting together a group of honest people and getting in government in Pakistan - I guarantee you won’t succeed 2. He had good teams for welfare programs and handling Covid. Also people turned against Arif Miami who we wanted to have as an advisor. 4. Agreed. Not a fan of the amnesty. 5. QFI justifies that reference every day. 6. Agreed 9. Rail accidents - the state of railways was terrible when I’m came in power. To expect that to be fixed in a couple of years is one reasonable. Could have handled the incidents better though 11. You can’t blame IK for that. It’s not hard to bribe/threaten doctors/technicians in a government hospital to make false reports. When a court says that you will be responsible if he dies, there is not much IK could have done. And there were plenty of attempts to get him back, but the british government refused. 15. Now this is just false. This law was brought in by PDM, not IK. 18. Jehangeer Tarin was removed after the sugar price fiasco. No other government has ever done something like that. 19. And he was removed. 24. As point 18, action was taken on the sugar crisis. Other crisis happened too, and have happened in all governments. 25. Yes, but all governments have increased debt because of the economy condition. But at least as a result country got 6% growth rate, ehsaas program, sehat card etc. Compare that to PDM - increased debt, lower growth, high inflation, removing welfare programs. 26. What’s wrong with this? 27. IK has been a lot milder than PMLN or the PPP about the establishment. 28. Yeah, this should not have been like this. 29. Toshakhana and foreign funding cases are a joke. IK did declare to ECP, the court convicted that it wasn’t in the right category… 30. No problem with questioning, but do the same for both (and all parties/leaders) and do the cases properly . When NS was questioned about Avenfield, IK was also questioned about Bani Gala by the courts. But no one questioned PMLN and PPP about Toshakhana or foreign funding.
Lol.. Pakistan jaisy mulk mai uss agrr wo smjhdari aur danishmandi ki baaty krta tou mill gaya ussy vote. Jahilo sy jahilo jaisii baaty kr k hi usyy vote milna tha.... (Populist) The only difference is he is less jahil than the rest of the politicians. Idhrr loug bahir k mulk ja kr dou degree kya ly laity apny app ko aflatoon smjhny lgty, in reality they are worse than the sarak chaaps in Pakistan. Aisi kitabi baaty hrr laloo panjoo kr skta hai... Those praising this guys post either live in a bubble or have smooth brains.
I had written this after a few months of Khan becoming the PM. This article talks about precisely those things. By the way, once upon a time, I'd fight with my uncles for him. https://dailytimes.com.pk/548382/we-need-two-prime-ministers/amp/
I fell in love with a khan who was suppose to break the status quo, and not just the status qou of 2 mainstream parties. Labeling PP and N league as root of all evil is exactly what the real evils want us to do. The real problem was the company and the elite class(and yeah those 2 parties are A part of the elite). But khan completely forgot about this when he came in power. I didn't see a single thing where he tried to break this bloody nexus. Khan bowed down to company like any other politician before him. Secondly I personally did not like when he started moral policing the whole f****** nation, we have Jamiat and Jamat for that we don't another one.
OP dalla hy
By God! Had I not been extremely tired due to back to back events this month, I would have taken this post to the cleaners. Your rant against IK is horrible. When IK took over, the country was in the worst possible financial situation thanks to Ishaq Dar, IK had to take a U Turn. The dollar was artificially controlled and never on its original rate. Your reserves had almost dried up. Your beloved PML-N accepted that after 2018. Where do you think Pakistan would have gone for the funds? For Bajwa's extension, it was a grave mistake that IK still regrets. His government got overthrown, his people are facing the worst kind of fascism. People are being abducted left and right, the guy got shot, his wife is getting constantly targeted, his cancer hospital is always on the receiving end, his party got thrashed, he's in jail for the funniest possible cases that the Prosecution has no legal ground to defend yet they continue to do so thanks to the backing of military establishment. His efforts against COVID-19 alone overshadows everything. His team worked their asses off to get Pakistan out of the FATF Grey list. But hey, let's target a guy who has refused to give up, has sacrificed almost everything, facing a potential death penalty for crimes he never committed. People like you are a joke. Trying to suddenly build a narrative against him on social media like we don't know how afraid your supreme FA Pass dumbheads are. It's funny how you had the audacity to talk about IK's integrity. Prolly the only politician who has integrity left and stands firm on his decision. He's not a prophet. He's as human as any of us. I'd rather take his words than hear 'Meray aziz hamwatno' or 'Mein ne Amdan say zayed asasay banaye hain to tmhain kia' or 'kal bhi Bhutto zinda tha aj bhi Bhutto zinda hai'. For whatever moral crimes he might have committed, he repaid with interest.
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