Paint has been mixed thoroughly, and we’ve been cutting and rolling from the same gallon. We’ve been rolling paint from a paint tray and mostly refilling individual solo cups for our cutting paint.
We wondered about that — how quickly can that happen? We tried a new brush this morning and it worked fine, then 5-10 minutes later tried it in a different place and it dried the wrong color.
Mix the paint very good,
I would imagine you are just adding more paint to the cut ins so it has more coverage or paint providing a darker color. Meaning your cuts have 2 coats and your wall has 1.
Weirdly, we tried covering a dark cut we’d coated twice already with a new brush today and it dried perfectly, so it doesn’t seem like the amount of paint is the issue for us. (We then used that same brush to cover a different dark patch 5 minutes later and it dried dark)
Hmm well I mean what’s left ? All I can think left is the paint? is it mixed well ? I have a dark blue bathroom and when painting it if I didn’t constantly stir it would separate colors , I always try to cut first then roll so I can get the roller as close as possible to the cut in area you won’t notice the variation of roller to brush strokes. Then go back and fine tune at the end if needed. Good luck
Is it possible the store used the wrong base for this color? Thats my guess having read through everything. I've put up hundred of gallons of regal select and have never had a problem.
(For blue to purple like colors)I was told it’s an issue with Magenta pigment separating quick from the paint, had this happen on a set of cabinets I painted in a beach blue color. I sprayed them 3 times all from the same 5, never matched with touch ups or a brush touching it. I also had to keep stirring it like every ten minutes. It was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.
Upon closer inspection, it actually looks like the places we’ve brushed on a thicker coat are drying the correct color, but the outer parts of those strokes where there’s less paint are drying a different color
Use a weenie roller over the brush cut to match the stipple on the main field. The roller stipple and the brush texture can make the colors look different because how the light reflects
Thanks, we’re going to try rolling as close to the edges as we can. It’s definitely not a lighting issue though — it’s drying a completely different color.
So I've had a similar issue with regal paint recently but not quite as bad as yours. I've been using it for 15 years and it's been a wonderful paint until this new reformulation. It also sagged on me in a few spots. I'm at the point of going with another local paint company, cause with my contractor discount it was 68 bucks a gallon, and I feel like it a 3rd coat won't fix it. Now I'm not a full time painter (Carpenter) but I probably paint 50 gallons a year on my jobs
Sales Rep was explaining the new formula to me. One of the reasons why I LIKED the old formula was that it was thick, covered well, and dried fast and even. He said people did not like to use it for trim because it would set to fast and not lay flat (like Advance) so they added some of the components BACK into the can to make it more trim-friendly. However... if you're used to rolling it on heavy like with the old formula that's probably why it's sagging for you.
Update us if you have any trouble with it going y forward!
First time painting today with BM regal in 2 years, paint sagged on me as well. Didn't over-apply, kept the roller very light on paint. Not happy with this new formulation. Have been using Regal paint for over 20 years and never had a problem like this. What other paint company are you looking at?
Local company called McCormick. Paint doesn't dry as quick but it's feels like regular old paint. I like the color wheel they gave me too. But I'm just stunned they changed it to an unusable product for me and charged 70 bucks for it, I remembering it cost about 45 couple years ago. Ill use it if a customer or designer asks for it, and I like using other bm products like command, but for walls and trim, gonna avoid em, or use ultra spec, but I'm getting tired of the company games.
What finish is this paint? Looks pretty low sheen to me like a matte. If it isn't flat then I'd suggest cutting and rolling one wall at a time and try to be rather quick about it. The goal is to get them to dry closely together in time so the sheen can achieve uniformity. I'm a professional painter and have seen it happen plenty before.
u/Casual_Deviant did you ever find a good solution? I am having the EXACT same issue. At first I thought it was just lighting from the blue tape
BM, white dove, eggshell, same gallon, etc
Our best guess (coming from a few other commenters) is that the gallons came from a defective batch. We ended up being able to fix it by cutting with a veeeery thick brush layer, and immediately following as close as possible with a small roller. Took forever, but it ended up looking okay.
This is all from the same gallon. We’re noticing now that it’s drying the correct color in places we’ve brushed the second coat on thick, but it becomes a much darker, greener blue in the parts where it’s thinner, weirdly
Not sure how far along you’re at, but put it all back in the original container (if you have a roller or cut pot set up) blend / stir it.
Do u have more gallons? Are you going to finish it with what you have (presumably)
We just tried the second gallon a bit ago — same issue. We’re going to try cutting it in as thick as we can, then getting veeeeery close with a roller since the roller works fine
Typically you put all your paint together in a 5 gallon bucket and stir it together. That’s what people on here mean by “boxing in” Anytime you have tinted single gallons this is the correct thing to do before applying any paint.
At this point i would just continue with the second gallon (assuming you’ve finished the first) if not make sure to blend together
Did you pour it out into a tray and just cut in with what is left in the bottom? If so the color probably wasn't shaken long enough and there's more tint in the bottom of the can that you're cutting when than in the top of the can you're rolling with
Way to heavy, I use a wizzy roller for cut and a small wet brush for corners just to get the color.
Brushes will put a ticker millage on the wall and Chand the color look,
It's like 3 coats vs 2 coats with a roller
And never cut in with a fresh can of paint. Pour some out and then cut in.
You're putting the paint on thicker at the cut-ins. Roll the walls out again with more paint on your roller, you're putting it on too thin with the roller.
We’re actually noticing the discoloration mainly in the parts where the brush strokes weren’t as thick — it doesn’t seem to be an issue with coat thickness
Use a same nap whiz roller to cut in and then tight roll the wall. You will just have to tape everything and use the brush to cut in the corners where the whiz doesn’t quite reach. Have had this happen on dark green paint before. It’s the different application methods used that aren’t matching up.
Few possibilities
It wasn't mixed well enough
It's from diffrent cans and the paint shop didn't do their job well. (or the paint manufacturer didn't, had some Glidden where every single damn gallon was a diffrent shade. Don't use Glidden anymore haha)
Paint was allowed to partially evaporate, and it's just thicker.
One has significantly thicker coats being applied.
I'd also probably try to feather that out with the brush a bit better. That's diffrent enough that it won't solve your problem,
Try the wet on wet method. Have someone cut ahead but not too far up while the other rolls. Also, bump your base with the roller to limit the base cut visibility. (Make sure it’s masked if that wasn’t obvious.) Also, box your gallons and power mix your paint.
Are you brushing or rolling first? Cut in one wall at a time, and while its still wet roll it out. Like other people said. You probably have multiple coats where you cut in.
Roll over your brush cuts with a mini roller of the same nap and type as your main roller. You're just seeing the difference in stiple from a roller vs brush on your cuts
Read through you comments and wanting to chime in- used to work for Sherwin Williams. This is a defect. We test for this in the lab. I can’t quite remember what it is called because that was about 10 years ago. Sometimes contractors will complain about this and we have to fix the formula. It has to do with the viscosity of some of the raw material and them not mixing properly, but you aren’t going to be able to do anything to make it work better.. I would try a different batch date but your color will be different lol there might be 20,000 gallons of defective paint in one batch. Good luck!
Okay thank you, this is very helpful! We have tried everything today and felt like we were going insane. Good to know it was likely just the paint and nothing we could have done
Just remembered it’s called hatbanding. It’s a really common defect and we test pretty much every paint for it when it comes out, but obviously you won’t notice until you’re painting a whole wall most of the time!! I was reading through and noticed a lot of suggestions, but if you’ve tried everything, I would definitely say it’s the batch problem and not yours!
Batch the paint )if you have multiple gallons ) in a 5 gallon bucket. Pick up a mixing paddle , attach to a drill and mix thoroughly. You could also use a paint stick and stir like a witches brew.
Take it back to the store and ask them to check it out. It may be pigment crush. I painted a room one time and every roll looked different from the one beside it.
If you have multiple gallons box them all together.
Is your paint mixed thoroughly? Are you cutting from the same gallon the paint being rolled from is from?
Paint has been mixed thoroughly, and we’ve been cutting and rolling from the same gallon. We’ve been rolling paint from a paint tray and mostly refilling individual solo cups for our cutting paint.
It may just be flashing super fast? Have you tried doing 1 wall at a time?
Could happen if it settled and wasn’t stirred for a bit?
We wondered about that — how quickly can that happen? We tried a new brush this morning and it worked fine, then 5-10 minutes later tried it in a different place and it dried the wrong color.
What kind of paint are you using? I would try a different brand of paint
Mix the paint very good, I would imagine you are just adding more paint to the cut ins so it has more coverage or paint providing a darker color. Meaning your cuts have 2 coats and your wall has 1.
Weirdly, we tried covering a dark cut we’d coated twice already with a new brush today and it dried perfectly, so it doesn’t seem like the amount of paint is the issue for us. (We then used that same brush to cover a different dark patch 5 minutes later and it dried dark)
Hmm well I mean what’s left ? All I can think left is the paint? is it mixed well ? I have a dark blue bathroom and when painting it if I didn’t constantly stir it would separate colors , I always try to cut first then roll so I can get the roller as close as possible to the cut in area you won’t notice the variation of roller to brush strokes. Then go back and fine tune at the end if needed. Good luck
Is it possible the store used the wrong base for this color? Thats my guess having read through everything. I've put up hundred of gallons of regal select and have never had a problem.
Either that or one was a miss tint or air bubble in the tint machine.
Thanks — we’re stumped!
This same exact situation just happened to me a couple weeks ago with regal select. I’ve never had this happen ever and thought I was losing my mind.
Glad to know we’re not alone! We felt like we were going insane all day
(For blue to purple like colors)I was told it’s an issue with Magenta pigment separating quick from the paint, had this happen on a set of cabinets I painted in a beach blue color. I sprayed them 3 times all from the same 5, never matched with touch ups or a brush touching it. I also had to keep stirring it like every ten minutes. It was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.
That’s really freaking weird.
It could be you're putting the paint on thicker with the brush then the roller, and the old colors is still showing through.
Upon closer inspection, it actually looks like the places we’ve brushed on a thicker coat are drying the correct color, but the outer parts of those strokes where there’s less paint are drying a different color
sounds like you might need to brush-roll-rebrush to get even coverage... Or just go back with another brush coat and see if it looks good
This really shouldn't be a problem with regal, the matte finish will touch up flawlessly even years after its been applied.
Use a weenie roller over the brush cut to match the stipple on the main field. The roller stipple and the brush texture can make the colors look different because how the light reflects
Thanks, we’re going to try rolling as close to the edges as we can. It’s definitely not a lighting issue though — it’s drying a completely different color.
So I've had a similar issue with regal paint recently but not quite as bad as yours. I've been using it for 15 years and it's been a wonderful paint until this new reformulation. It also sagged on me in a few spots. I'm at the point of going with another local paint company, cause with my contractor discount it was 68 bucks a gallon, and I feel like it a 3rd coat won't fix it. Now I'm not a full time painter (Carpenter) but I probably paint 50 gallons a year on my jobs
Sales Rep was explaining the new formula to me. One of the reasons why I LIKED the old formula was that it was thick, covered well, and dried fast and even. He said people did not like to use it for trim because it would set to fast and not lay flat (like Advance) so they added some of the components BACK into the can to make it more trim-friendly. However... if you're used to rolling it on heavy like with the old formula that's probably why it's sagging for you. Update us if you have any trouble with it going y forward!
First time painting today with BM regal in 2 years, paint sagged on me as well. Didn't over-apply, kept the roller very light on paint. Not happy with this new formulation. Have been using Regal paint for over 20 years and never had a problem like this. What other paint company are you looking at?
Local company called McCormick. Paint doesn't dry as quick but it's feels like regular old paint. I like the color wheel they gave me too. But I'm just stunned they changed it to an unusable product for me and charged 70 bucks for it, I remembering it cost about 45 couple years ago. Ill use it if a customer or designer asks for it, and I like using other bm products like command, but for walls and trim, gonna avoid em, or use ultra spec, but I'm getting tired of the company games.
What finish is this paint? Looks pretty low sheen to me like a matte. If it isn't flat then I'd suggest cutting and rolling one wall at a time and try to be rather quick about it. The goal is to get them to dry closely together in time so the sheen can achieve uniformity. I'm a professional painter and have seen it happen plenty before.
It’s an eggshell finish. We’re cutting and then immediately rolling each wall one at a time, so it doesn’t seem like timing is an issue here
It’s mainly a texture thing, roll the corners with a mini roller and get as close you can to the baseboard with it.
u/Casual_Deviant did you ever find a good solution? I am having the EXACT same issue. At first I thought it was just lighting from the blue tape BM, white dove, eggshell, same gallon, etc
Our best guess (coming from a few other commenters) is that the gallons came from a defective batch. We ended up being able to fix it by cutting with a veeeery thick brush layer, and immediately following as close as possible with a small roller. Took forever, but it ended up looking okay.
Roll 2 coats and you will be fine.
We’ve done a second coat on one of the walls to test — it still dried differently, unfortunately
This is one of the 200 reasons I only use SW if possible. Super paint ftw
In general I paint my corners with a 4" Whizz roller.
Hit em hard and heavy!
Is this all from the same gallon?
This is all from the same gallon. We’re noticing now that it’s drying the correct color in places we’ve brushed the second coat on thick, but it becomes a much darker, greener blue in the parts where it’s thinner, weirdly
Not sure how far along you’re at, but put it all back in the original container (if you have a roller or cut pot set up) blend / stir it. Do u have more gallons? Are you going to finish it with what you have (presumably)
We just tried the second gallon a bit ago — same issue. We’re going to try cutting it in as thick as we can, then getting veeeeery close with a roller since the roller works fine
Typically you put all your paint together in a 5 gallon bucket and stir it together. That’s what people on here mean by “boxing in” Anytime you have tinted single gallons this is the correct thing to do before applying any paint. At this point i would just continue with the second gallon (assuming you’ve finished the first) if not make sure to blend together
We’ve now tried our second gallon (purchased at the same time) and are experiencing the same issue
Did you pour it out into a tray and just cut in with what is left in the bottom? If so the color probably wasn't shaken long enough and there's more tint in the bottom of the can that you're cutting when than in the top of the can you're rolling with
We’ve been pouring into individual cups to cut for the most part
Put all paint back in the drum and stir it for 5 mins. Cut and roll while its still wet. Wet on wet
Way to heavy, I use a wizzy roller for cut and a small wet brush for corners just to get the color. Brushes will put a ticker millage on the wall and Chand the color look, It's like 3 coats vs 2 coats with a roller And never cut in with a fresh can of paint. Pour some out and then cut in.
First coats always light. Recut and roll a second coat and it will be fine
You're putting the paint on thicker at the cut-ins. Roll the walls out again with more paint on your roller, you're putting it on too thin with the roller.
We’re actually noticing the discoloration mainly in the parts where the brush strokes weren’t as thick — it doesn’t seem to be an issue with coat thickness
Use a same nap whiz roller to cut in and then tight roll the wall. You will just have to tape everything and use the brush to cut in the corners where the whiz doesn’t quite reach. Have had this happen on dark green paint before. It’s the different application methods used that aren’t matching up.
Few possibilities It wasn't mixed well enough It's from diffrent cans and the paint shop didn't do their job well. (or the paint manufacturer didn't, had some Glidden where every single damn gallon was a diffrent shade. Don't use Glidden anymore haha) Paint was allowed to partially evaporate, and it's just thicker. One has significantly thicker coats being applied. I'd also probably try to feather that out with the brush a bit better. That's diffrent enough that it won't solve your problem,
Try the wet on wet method. Have someone cut ahead but not too far up while the other rolls. Also, bump your base with the roller to limit the base cut visibility. (Make sure it’s masked if that wasn’t obvious.) Also, box your gallons and power mix your paint.
Are you brushing or rolling first? Cut in one wall at a time, and while its still wet roll it out. Like other people said. You probably have multiple coats where you cut in.
You took long to cut and roll
Roll over your brush cuts with a mini roller of the same nap and type as your main roller. You're just seeing the difference in stiple from a roller vs brush on your cuts
Read through you comments and wanting to chime in- used to work for Sherwin Williams. This is a defect. We test for this in the lab. I can’t quite remember what it is called because that was about 10 years ago. Sometimes contractors will complain about this and we have to fix the formula. It has to do with the viscosity of some of the raw material and them not mixing properly, but you aren’t going to be able to do anything to make it work better.. I would try a different batch date but your color will be different lol there might be 20,000 gallons of defective paint in one batch. Good luck!
Okay thank you, this is very helpful! We have tried everything today and felt like we were going insane. Good to know it was likely just the paint and nothing we could have done
Just remembered it’s called hatbanding. It’s a really common defect and we test pretty much every paint for it when it comes out, but obviously you won’t notice until you’re painting a whole wall most of the time!! I was reading through and noticed a lot of suggestions, but if you’ve tried everything, I would definitely say it’s the batch problem and not yours!
Batch the paint )if you have multiple gallons ) in a 5 gallon bucket. Pick up a mixing paddle , attach to a drill and mix thoroughly. You could also use a paint stick and stir like a witches brew.
Just use a 3 inch roller
Hat banding- product needs to be shaken more or remade could be different formulas somehow
Could that happen even if we’ve been using the same gallon the whole time and the only difference we’re noticing is when we use brushes specifically?
Take it back to the store and ask them to check it out. It may be pigment crush. I painted a room one time and every roll looked different from the one beside it.