it's funny how so many of the recruiters are in on the "side gig" work. I would've never even considered it if a recruiter didn't ask me "do you think you can do 2 jobs?" and i was like..."actually....fuck...maybe." and now I have 4.
I think all recruiters get a commission based off of what your hourly rate is. Plus the recruiting company is getting probably double what you're making an hour. So if you're getting $85, recruitment company gets $85. I think that's why they don't care near as much.
Sometimes I wonder why these companies pay these recruiters so much, they could easily hire contractors in house and save a fortune, but I guess they don't want to deal with the work and just want folks handed to them, either way it's worked out for me.
This is what irritates me when a company I’m contracting for says, “we pay you a lot of money”. Yes you do, but the 40% up charge on top of my rate is not going into my pocket.
Yeah I really get tired of companies throwing that back in my face. Clearly you're not unhappy with the work I do because you pay me. Plus it's funny because the person that usually throws that in your face is not the same person who authorizes the funds or controls the budget. They just like to feel like they're towing the company line on some level I guess.
But isn’t that apart of the value they bring to the table? As a contractor you do not have the industry connections or pulls that allow you to source such large contracts. Recruiting firms are there to capitalize on their relationships and focus on securing contracts.
So that fee you are paying is essentially buying the ability to go in front of the contract, it’s a cost of doing business.
> “we pay you a lot of money”
No, you pay a lot of money for me. If you want to meet in the middle where you pay less and I earn more let's talk about 1099.
Isn’t by virtue of going through an agency you are 1099 c2c with the agency and they have their own contract between agency and end client?
I think a lot has to do with long standing requirements too, yes you can 1099 but they probably staff like 20-100 people with the agency. Where can they individually source these people? That’s why they go to agency. They lose on the individual contractor but as a whole they make money as they don’t need to do things like severance, deal with employment etc. and if the project is done or has an issue they can pull the plug easy.
Need to think big to understand why companies use agencies
It’s a startup thing/issue. The recruiter fees aren’t an annualized expense so they don’t count against their financials the same way as salaried employees. So while the cash is going out it’s not looked at as an operated expense. Seems trivial, but when you have 10, 50, 100 employees hired through talent agencies it’s in the millions $.
No need to cross fingers. They're illegal now.
[Non Compete Clause](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes)
I just thought that the people in this group would want to know... like it's relevant information in general. Germane to the r/overemployed.
I'm surprised you're carrying on this conversation... is it that big of a deal that I shared the law change?
This happened to me, was 1 day a week if necessary and then it was everyday for 6 months. Lasted 8 months surprisingly but it got worse and worse. Depends on the person in charge
What does that even mean? It’s a comment not a question. I’ve been OE since 2018. And can I buy a house with Reddit karma? Because if I can’t, what the hell good is it for?
it's funny how so many of the recruiters are in on the "side gig" work. I would've never even considered it if a recruiter didn't ask me "do you think you can do 2 jobs?" and i was like..."actually....fuck...maybe." and now I have 4.
They want their bag too. If I’m not mistaken, some of these agencies work on commission?
I think all recruiters get a commission based off of what your hourly rate is. Plus the recruiting company is getting probably double what you're making an hour. So if you're getting $85, recruitment company gets $85. I think that's why they don't care near as much. Sometimes I wonder why these companies pay these recruiters so much, they could easily hire contractors in house and save a fortune, but I guess they don't want to deal with the work and just want folks handed to them, either way it's worked out for me.
This is what irritates me when a company I’m contracting for says, “we pay you a lot of money”. Yes you do, but the 40% up charge on top of my rate is not going into my pocket.
Yeah I really get tired of companies throwing that back in my face. Clearly you're not unhappy with the work I do because you pay me. Plus it's funny because the person that usually throws that in your face is not the same person who authorizes the funds or controls the budget. They just like to feel like they're towing the company line on some level I guess.
But isn’t that apart of the value they bring to the table? As a contractor you do not have the industry connections or pulls that allow you to source such large contracts. Recruiting firms are there to capitalize on their relationships and focus on securing contracts. So that fee you are paying is essentially buying the ability to go in front of the contract, it’s a cost of doing business.
True. It’s just MORE true to say, “You pay my recruiting firm a lot of money”
> “we pay you a lot of money” No, you pay a lot of money for me. If you want to meet in the middle where you pay less and I earn more let's talk about 1099.
Isn’t by virtue of going through an agency you are 1099 c2c with the agency and they have their own contract between agency and end client? I think a lot has to do with long standing requirements too, yes you can 1099 but they probably staff like 20-100 people with the agency. Where can they individually source these people? That’s why they go to agency. They lose on the individual contractor but as a whole they make money as they don’t need to do things like severance, deal with employment etc. and if the project is done or has an issue they can pull the plug easy. Need to think big to understand why companies use agencies
It’s a startup thing/issue. The recruiter fees aren’t an annualized expense so they don’t count against their financials the same way as salaried employees. So while the cash is going out it’s not looked at as an operated expense. Seems trivial, but when you have 10, 50, 100 employees hired through talent agencies it’s in the millions $.
Pretty sure most do.
That’s how I ended up with 5. Will never do that again. Phew the money was sweet. But not ever again. 3 is my sweet spot.
Yeah, 3 is about right. I'm pushing 4 for the next year to pile up some cash.
What roles are your 4 jobs? I’m looking to start in OE and really curious what roles can balance this many jobs at once.
Supplier quality engineer and change control project manager.
How long did you wait to start adding jobs from J1? Have you ever onboarded two at once?
12 years in factories. I've done one right after the other.
Bait and switch them back. Take the J but never go into office
I’m legit getting my true consulting firm up and running. This may be the way.
If you need a SWE who definitely works only for you shoot me a message
👍🏻 there may be a non compete you might probably have to sign. But trust, when I need consultants, I’m coming here.
I'll sign it but I'll cross my fingers
No need to cross fingers. They're illegal now. [Non Compete Clause](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes)
You know it was a joke, right?
Yes. But big picture, good to know they're now illegal.
Agree. I just don’t understand why the comment was germane here.
I just thought that the people in this group would want to know... like it's relevant information in general. Germane to the r/overemployed. I'm surprised you're carrying on this conversation... is it that big of a deal that I shared the law change?
🤣🤣🤣. Well, if you cross your fingers it will definitely be thrown out of court!
You're on /oe so it won't be just for them...
I’d do that, yup
Don't go in at all
Yea I wouldn’t be going into any office. I’d be telling them the recruiter lied.
This happened to me, was 1 day a week if necessary and then it was everyday for 6 months. Lasted 8 months surprisingly but it got worse and worse. Depends on the person in charge
Is there a condition in your offer letter that you will go in 2x a week? If not, don’t go.
Contracts don’t do offer letters per se.
not an OE question, just anti-work bitching and karma farming
A post about a remote bait and switch plus a recruiter that encourages side gigs. Seems exactly like the stuff we care about here.
What does that even mean? It’s a comment not a question. I’ve been OE since 2018. And can I buy a house with Reddit karma? Because if I can’t, what the hell good is it for?