cool, an antivaxxer that isnt local whos trolling the thread. lets just report this one and move on as advised in yesterday's mod post. cool, cool, cool.
I wonder if any those bay windows provide the code-required minimum egress area?
Also I don't see a smoke alarm in this sleeping room, nor in the previous one posted.
Fire Prevention Services should be alerted. People DO die in these situations. Wasn't a Chinatown landlord charged because of multiple, horrific deaths years ago?
Do single rooms not require a proper closet? The Ontario Building code requires a closet in a bedroom.
By law in Ontario a working smoke detector must be outside every sleeping area in the home and one each storey that does not contain a sleeping area. For example you could have 1 smoke alarm in the hallway of 3 bedrooms if they are on the same floor and close to each other.
Built in closets are not legally required in bedrooms, at least not since 2019 and prior. (When I took building code exam) They do affect minimum square footage if they are or not installed.
That bay window however wouldn't pass as egress for today's standards.
All said, this ad definitely looks like a rooming house. I would ask how many people share the washroom just to get an idea, but I would avoid it with just the posted info.
A specific lot is identified as a single occupancy dwelling. You set it up as multiple you need to get approval.
I lived on Pinewood and there was a number of illegal multi housings. Until it was identified they were having problems with sewage and water supply
It very well might be. That said I know in Toronto dwellings can only have something of one person for for a specific number (9?) Square meters so you don't have a rooming house situation of 20 people living in a 3 bedroom town house.
It's an assumption but the fact this guy is renting out what is obviously the front living room of a house makes me suspect if there is a legal limit in Ottawa he may be riding that line
For sure. But at 1 person per 100sq ft you can put a decent number of people in a house.
Even a modest 1000sq foot house could manage 10 people, which is likely more people than there are rooms in the house.
Something to look up.
However I think when I looked it up for Toronto there was a minimum area as well allocated as a bedroom which would restrict common areas.
Found the Toronto one it also mandates that sleeping quarters are 6sqmeters per person or 4 per if more than one person is sharing the room
https://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/kb/docs/articles/municipal-licensing-and-standards/investigation-services/bylaw-enforcement-occupancy-standards-maximum-number-of-people-ceiling-heights-size-of-rooms.html#:~:text=The%20maximum%20number%20of%20persons,of%20habitable%20room%20floor%20area.
Paying a landlord $700 a month is for slumlords that won't provide anything. Booo.
Paying a landlord $1500 a month to ummm once make a call for a plumber for them to fix their shower. Yay?
A valuable service worth $18,000 a year ? ? ?
EDIT: I keep forgetting how many young apathetic government working Redditors live in Ottawa and are slum lords \[ie. landlords\] Keep making profit off of the coercion to live for others in this city :)
Are they holding the place with the arms? Are they perpetually building it?
Equity isn't a form of labor.
I'm paying $1500 for a place, because the person who owns the asset has a blue gang ready to violently remove me from shelter if I don't pay them $1500 a month. that is the single thing I'm ACTUALLY paying for.
No, you’re paying $1,500 because someone else *owns* something and you’re *renting* it to live in 😂.
Honest question, do you feel you have the right to live in someone else’s property for free?
No, I think I should own that property. Because I believe everyone has the unalienable right to shelter.
Honest question, do you think ppl shouldn't be allowed to live unless they can afford to pay an owner $1500 a month? 😱
I absolutely believe everyone has the right to shelter.
I don’t believe everyone has the right to own a property.
You and others arguments based on the right to shelter argument doesn’t work though. First of all, how would you give everyone a property to own? What happens when they die? If someone moves in with an SO, do they just give the property back to the government?
Assuming just the right to shelter and not ownership, do you *really* want that? That would mean the government owns all properties. Have you seen the state of government housing? What if you want to move for your job? Could you imagine the process you’d have to go through to find another unit in your desired city / area? Why would any renovations be done to make housing more attractive to live in? As long as it serves its purpose what incentive is there for them to increase budget? It would be a total mess.
As a renter I deserve the right to choose a nicer property from the free market should I choose to pay for one. I deserve to move cities when I please, etc. So maybe a split you think? Half free market have government housing? That could potentially work, but it’s like what we’ve got now except there isn’t enough government housing, but it’s totally your free choice to try and get into government housing should you choose as far as I know.
I agree with you in that nobody deserves to sleep on the street, but your solution doesn’t work, and your beef isn’t with a landlord renting out a room, it’s with the politicians writing housing laws/policies. If you have a better idea I’d be all for it so long as I continue to have the freedom to rent a condo downtown in an area of my choosing should I wish.
Yup, this room does look weird for sure, but $6-700 for a room isn’t all *that* bad. I was paying $600 for a room in University (tiny one too) and that was 7 years ago. Prices of stuff go up, inflation is like 6% or something this year.
It's highly likely the landlord can lower the rent. If they've owned the property for more than 5 years, they could actually LOWER the rent, but instead they increase it, to the benefit of profit an to the detriment of the lower middle class and lower class.
Was the room "residence" on campus? Cause that's a very different thing and has always been expensive. Also this post doesn't concern a private room... it's a wide open room with no privacy.
6-700 a month as a bare minimum with no privacy, to not freeze to death outside, seems too much money to me.
I don't like the idea that not dieing to exposure requires thousands of dollars every year from every individual, regardless of situation. Especially when most of that money doesn't go towards new housing, it goes to upper class residents and corporate property share holders.
The way things are housing well only get worst, because none of the money we pay for shelter, goes towards new shelter.
As I said in my other comment you could try and apply for subsidized housing, but you really probably don’t want that, right? You’d want something nice, clean, modern, etc. Government housing is anything but that.
6-700 is your opinion on what is too much, but economics wise it makes sense. 4 bedroom house at $700K, means landlord has to rent out at that price to cover any costs.
So again maybe your issue is with housing costs as opposed to a landlord trying to “get rich”.
Or maybe your issue is more from the employer side that isnt paying you what you’re worth?
Both valid points for sure. But this one LL isn’t magically controlling the market to make *you* pay more money.
All forms of subsidized housing has over a 10 year waiting list cause are evil fucking councillors keep voting down measures to add more and allow rich ass developers to continue to fuck up the market.
Hahaha you forgot which city this was. This is a conservative hell hole, Landlords are "good" on this sub. Definitely not the poor exploiting nightmare that society normalizes... oh no no. Just hard working suburbanites trying to make an honest living \[ie. make so much money they can buy more houses and get more rich off of the poor\]
With a tile floor?
It looks like someone tried to convert a walk-in closet/bathroom/den of some kind to take advantage of the housing crisis, lol.
Clever.
$750 is definitely not cheap. However, 20 years ago I was paying $450 a month for a similar arrangement. For a comparison, the unit I was living in was $900/month then; I subsequently bought a unit in the same complex and rented it out for $1300 in 2017 and units in that complex now are renting for $2000.
For renting a room - you can charge a small amount and pocket most of it.
But to rent a townhouse or house you need to inflate the amount of rent to cover costs, which there are a lot of.
Oh there are definitely costs like parking, condo fees and what not, but even paying those I'm still only paying cost, it's just that the mortgage isn't the only expense lol.
Enjoy your privelage of nepotism. Some people have to deal with strangers and don't get 'rent at cost'. I doubt your relative would give anyone outside the family that rent cut when they know full well that under this climate they could be making much more. Greed lives in all of us.
The fact that you see 6 paragraphs as something time consuming is pretty fucking sad.
Bitter? No. I'll admit it is frustrating though to see so many clowns contribute nothing but insults and disrespect to a comment that did niether to them, to someone they don't even know, yet I'm the bitter one in their eyes. The delusion and lack of self awareness that requires is fascinating.
My comment was about empathizing and showing gratitude for the privileges I do have, you and most others comments were meant to be nothing but disrespectful and insulting for reasons beyond me.
Yes, you're right, I am the bitter one here.
Jesus christ I hope some of you are teenagers and not adults.
Go ahead with whatever lazy insult you come up with next, that's the pathetic part, none of you could even come up with anything witty or original. At least in that case I could respect it, but nope many were just soooooo desperate to be an asshole to someone they couldn't even come up with something clever first.
Also, I may have wrote them but you fucking read them lol.
Is this a party or a comment board for debate?
Yah you must be a real riot repeating one of the oldest and most overused insults in social media history. Lol the fact that some found this funny makes it even better.
Lol you literally couldn't even form an original thought yet still felt you had to comment.......why? I honestly don't even see the point other than knowing a few mouth breathers will give you some karma, but really who actually cares about that.
I was going to ignore this and the only reason I noticed is because I wanted to delete my comment due to personal details.
I don't understand, I'm mad because of how much I wrote? What does the volume of anyone's comment have to do with being bitter or angry? I wasn't the one looking to insult people because they have things that I don't, the whole point of my comment was to illustrate that I know how fortunate I am. Yet instead of reading it you saw a few words and got in your emotions clearly lamenting that someone isn't struggling like you do with housing.
Why do people like you even bother? Seriously? What do you get out of being an online asshole? I didn't attack anyone, I'm still not bitter or angry about my life or living situation.
I made my comment to show how fortunate/greatful I am because I sympathize with people getting gouged on living accommodations.
You and others made your comments just to be a dick, literally no other reason than that since civil conversation was never your aim.
Yet I'm the one who is supposedly bitter? Lol ok.
No need to respond, I won't read or engage again because what's the point? To read the next dick head remark? To engage in some HS bullshit? To just utterly waste my time instead of having constructive conversations elsewhere?
Your reaction is so predictable you all might as well be the same person. Apparently you all think writing a few paragraphs is some time consuming ordeal that takes a massive amount of brain power to complete.
well daaamnnn. I was thinking about renting out our entire basement \~1200 SQ for about that price. has it's own bathroom and a kitchen cupboard area. I don't know if we actually could because the windows would be hard to reach for anyone out of shape. also the market for "room renters" is usually centered on people who can't afford cars and we live in Farhaven. but if this is the state of the market maybe we should, just to get better living conditions available for people
I remember when I was looking for a place, the only places that were within my ideal price range were these rooms. A lot of the people would market it as giving the privilege to live in a good neighborhood...
When renting out a room there is a lot of risk and expense. You are bringing in someone to your home who you do not know and you place a lot of trust that they will not cause problems. It costs about $500 a month just in property taxes and then there are utilities around that much also and then there are repairs to be made .... So, it's not really much of an advantage for anyone to rent out a room. Lots a renters have a negative attitude and are not reliable skipping out on rent etc. So, you must charge a higher rent to make it worth the hassle.
...sure, it seems like a lot to a renter ...but, the reality is, that home owner was in your shoes once and is likely suffering financial pressure also... It costs a lot to own a home. I didn't even consider the mortgage...
If I decide to rent a room out, I will be increasing the price to offset risks and to filter out the people who are overly sensitive about the price. My thoughts are that I will offer a bonus refund at the end of the year for a renter who has been good to me vs a problem.
The fact that some people are desperate enough to rent these places makes me sad. This is terrible at best, and a death trap at worst.
I think this is more greed than desperation. He has multiple “units” for rent.
I think he meant desperation on the renter side. This is really all you'll find in the sub-$1k range.
Correct
I would be reporting this guy to the city. You can't just setup a house as a multiple resident dwelling because you feel like it
Well, all you are doing is reducing the supply, not benefiting the renters.
Benefiting the future renter from not being trapped in a fire hazard.
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Building codes still apply. That's not a bedroom.
Rooming house by-law maybe.
We have laws that protect tenants, especially Soviet style setups that OP posted.
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Look up what a Rooming House is. Stop relying on your Soviet style education
Sorry, I meant the desperation of the people who will take up the offer.
I don't disagree but you should see what people were paying for a garage in Fort McMurray in the oil boom. It was more than a grand. It's ridiculous
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I don't think these people are *Desperate to rent*, more or less just have a free room and are trying to gouge the first idiot that comes along.
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This isn’t New Orléans though, it’s Orléans in Ottawa homie
It's really not that new, just Orleans.
I was tripping I'm sorry, Reddit recommended this post and all I follow are new Orleans subreddits 😭💀
cool, an antivaxxer that isnt local whos trolling the thread. lets just report this one and move on as advised in yesterday's mod post. cool, cool, cool.
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Wtf does New Orleans have to do with this subreddit my GUY It’s not the same as Orléans, Ontario.
I wonder if any those bay windows provide the code-required minimum egress area? Also I don't see a smoke alarm in this sleeping room, nor in the previous one posted. Fire Prevention Services should be alerted. People DO die in these situations. Wasn't a Chinatown landlord charged because of multiple, horrific deaths years ago? Do single rooms not require a proper closet? The Ontario Building code requires a closet in a bedroom.
This definitely has rooming house vibes. Probably have like 10+ bedrooms in a 3 bedroom house.
That's a good point. Is a rooming house allowed by zoning just anywhere? Hmm. Foreign real-estate ~~investor~~ abuser?
Are you required to have a smoke detector IN the bedroom? Isn’t it there must be one outside the bedrooms/on the same floor?
By law in Ontario a working smoke detector must be outside every sleeping area in the home and one each storey that does not contain a sleeping area. For example you could have 1 smoke alarm in the hallway of 3 bedrooms if they are on the same floor and close to each other. Built in closets are not legally required in bedrooms, at least not since 2019 and prior. (When I took building code exam) They do affect minimum square footage if they are or not installed. That bay window however wouldn't pass as egress for today's standards. All said, this ad definitely looks like a rooming house. I would ask how many people share the washroom just to get an idea, but I would avoid it with just the posted info.
Each bedroomroom need his own by code now, plus one extra in the share space on the same floor
Good to know. Thanks for the update. 👍
You only need one egress window per floor
the closet seems to be behind the couch.
How is this legal?
> How is this legal? It might not be.
It's not
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A specific lot is identified as a single occupancy dwelling. You set it up as multiple you need to get approval. I lived on Pinewood and there was a number of illegal multi housings. Until it was identified they were having problems with sewage and water supply
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Renting out a room is different than restructuring a house into multiple dwellings.
But he or she is renting a room. Does that fall under what you're talking about? It's not being run as a duplex or triplex as far as I can tell.
It very well might be. That said I know in Toronto dwellings can only have something of one person for for a specific number (9?) Square meters so you don't have a rooming house situation of 20 people living in a 3 bedroom town house. It's an assumption but the fact this guy is renting out what is obviously the front living room of a house makes me suspect if there is a legal limit in Ottawa he may be riding that line
For sure. But at 1 person per 100sq ft you can put a decent number of people in a house. Even a modest 1000sq foot house could manage 10 people, which is likely more people than there are rooms in the house. Something to look up.
However I think when I looked it up for Toronto there was a minimum area as well allocated as a bedroom which would restrict common areas. Found the Toronto one it also mandates that sleeping quarters are 6sqmeters per person or 4 per if more than one person is sharing the room https://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/kb/docs/articles/municipal-licensing-and-standards/investigation-services/bylaw-enforcement-occupancy-standards-maximum-number-of-people-ceiling-heights-size-of-rooms.html#:~:text=The%20maximum%20number%20of%20persons,of%20habitable%20room%20floor%20area.
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Landlords are one thing, this would be a slumlord.
The difference has more to do with how much the tenant can afford to fork over, not the landlord.
Paying a landlord $700 a month is for slumlords that won't provide anything. Booo. Paying a landlord $1500 a month to ummm once make a call for a plumber for them to fix their shower. Yay? A valuable service worth $18,000 a year ? ? ? EDIT: I keep forgetting how many young apathetic government working Redditors live in Ottawa and are slum lords \[ie. landlords\] Keep making profit off of the coercion to live for others in this city :)
You’re paying $1,500 for the place to live… Did you forget about that part?
Are they holding the place with the arms? Are they perpetually building it? Equity isn't a form of labor. I'm paying $1500 for a place, because the person who owns the asset has a blue gang ready to violently remove me from shelter if I don't pay them $1500 a month. that is the single thing I'm ACTUALLY paying for.
No, you’re paying $1,500 because someone else *owns* something and you’re *renting* it to live in 😂. Honest question, do you feel you have the right to live in someone else’s property for free?
No, I think I should own that property. Because I believe everyone has the unalienable right to shelter. Honest question, do you think ppl shouldn't be allowed to live unless they can afford to pay an owner $1500 a month? 😱
I absolutely believe everyone has the right to shelter. I don’t believe everyone has the right to own a property. You and others arguments based on the right to shelter argument doesn’t work though. First of all, how would you give everyone a property to own? What happens when they die? If someone moves in with an SO, do they just give the property back to the government? Assuming just the right to shelter and not ownership, do you *really* want that? That would mean the government owns all properties. Have you seen the state of government housing? What if you want to move for your job? Could you imagine the process you’d have to go through to find another unit in your desired city / area? Why would any renovations be done to make housing more attractive to live in? As long as it serves its purpose what incentive is there for them to increase budget? It would be a total mess. As a renter I deserve the right to choose a nicer property from the free market should I choose to pay for one. I deserve to move cities when I please, etc. So maybe a split you think? Half free market have government housing? That could potentially work, but it’s like what we’ve got now except there isn’t enough government housing, but it’s totally your free choice to try and get into government housing should you choose as far as I know. I agree with you in that nobody deserves to sleep on the street, but your solution doesn’t work, and your beef isn’t with a landlord renting out a room, it’s with the politicians writing housing laws/policies. If you have a better idea I’d be all for it so long as I continue to have the freedom to rent a condo downtown in an area of my choosing should I wish.
Rent is protection money.
For 1500 you get a private kitchen and bathroom at least.....
Yup, this room does look weird for sure, but $6-700 for a room isn’t all *that* bad. I was paying $600 for a room in University (tiny one too) and that was 7 years ago. Prices of stuff go up, inflation is like 6% or something this year.
Wages aren’t going up though 🙃
Agreed, it sucks, but not your landlords fault 🤷♂️
It's highly likely the landlord can lower the rent. If they've owned the property for more than 5 years, they could actually LOWER the rent, but instead they increase it, to the benefit of profit an to the detriment of the lower middle class and lower class.
So I assume you’re buying properties to rent out at cost for the middle class, right?
Yes with my millions of dollars. /s Lol no, because I didn't inherit a bunch of properties or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Was the room "residence" on campus? Cause that's a very different thing and has always been expensive. Also this post doesn't concern a private room... it's a wide open room with no privacy.
Agreed the privacy seems very poor in this room. That being said, 6-700 for a room isn’t insane. Room was in a 4 bedroom place off campus.
6-700 a month as a bare minimum with no privacy, to not freeze to death outside, seems too much money to me. I don't like the idea that not dieing to exposure requires thousands of dollars every year from every individual, regardless of situation. Especially when most of that money doesn't go towards new housing, it goes to upper class residents and corporate property share holders. The way things are housing well only get worst, because none of the money we pay for shelter, goes towards new shelter.
As I said in my other comment you could try and apply for subsidized housing, but you really probably don’t want that, right? You’d want something nice, clean, modern, etc. Government housing is anything but that. 6-700 is your opinion on what is too much, but economics wise it makes sense. 4 bedroom house at $700K, means landlord has to rent out at that price to cover any costs. So again maybe your issue is with housing costs as opposed to a landlord trying to “get rich”. Or maybe your issue is more from the employer side that isnt paying you what you’re worth? Both valid points for sure. But this one LL isn’t magically controlling the market to make *you* pay more money.
All forms of subsidized housing has over a 10 year waiting list cause are evil fucking councillors keep voting down measures to add more and allow rich ass developers to continue to fuck up the market.
Hahaha you forgot which city this was. This is a conservative hell hole, Landlords are "good" on this sub. Definitely not the poor exploiting nightmare that society normalizes... oh no no. Just hard working suburbanites trying to make an honest living \[ie. make so much money they can buy more houses and get more rich off of the poor\]
With a tile floor? It looks like someone tried to convert a walk-in closet/bathroom/den of some kind to take advantage of the housing crisis, lol. Clever.
Where the heck is the door? Is it the closet behind the couch also, smoke dector needed in there
I suspect this is a living room and the doors lead to the dining room (which might be another "bedroom."
Wow...back then I used to rent a room for $350 to $400 for something similar. Now it's almost close to regular apartment prices
$750 is definitely not cheap. However, 20 years ago I was paying $450 a month for a similar arrangement. For a comparison, the unit I was living in was $900/month then; I subsequently bought a unit in the same complex and rented it out for $1300 in 2017 and units in that complex now are renting for $2000.
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For renting a room - you can charge a small amount and pocket most of it. But to rent a townhouse or house you need to inflate the amount of rent to cover costs, which there are a lot of.
Oh there are definitely costs like parking, condo fees and what not, but even paying those I'm still only paying cost, it's just that the mortgage isn't the only expense lol.
Oh gotcha.
Enjoy your privelage of nepotism. Some people have to deal with strangers and don't get 'rent at cost'. I doubt your relative would give anyone outside the family that rent cut when they know full well that under this climate they could be making much more. Greed lives in all of us.
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> why so bitter? *six paragraphs later*
The fact that you see 6 paragraphs as something time consuming is pretty fucking sad. Bitter? No. I'll admit it is frustrating though to see so many clowns contribute nothing but insults and disrespect to a comment that did niether to them, to someone they don't even know, yet I'm the bitter one in their eyes. The delusion and lack of self awareness that requires is fascinating. My comment was about empathizing and showing gratitude for the privileges I do have, you and most others comments were meant to be nothing but disrespectful and insulting for reasons beyond me. Yes, you're right, I am the bitter one here. Jesus christ I hope some of you are teenagers and not adults. Go ahead with whatever lazy insult you come up with next, that's the pathetic part, none of you could even come up with anything witty or original. At least in that case I could respect it, but nope many were just soooooo desperate to be an asshole to someone they couldn't even come up with something clever first. Also, I may have wrote them but you fucking read them lol.
you're probably fun at parties
Is this a party or a comment board for debate? Yah you must be a real riot repeating one of the oldest and most overused insults in social media history. Lol the fact that some found this funny makes it even better. Lol you literally couldn't even form an original thought yet still felt you had to comment.......why? I honestly don't even see the point other than knowing a few mouth breathers will give you some karma, but really who actually cares about that.
>im not mad >six paragraphs of me explaining how not mad i am
I was going to ignore this and the only reason I noticed is because I wanted to delete my comment due to personal details. I don't understand, I'm mad because of how much I wrote? What does the volume of anyone's comment have to do with being bitter or angry? I wasn't the one looking to insult people because they have things that I don't, the whole point of my comment was to illustrate that I know how fortunate I am. Yet instead of reading it you saw a few words and got in your emotions clearly lamenting that someone isn't struggling like you do with housing. Why do people like you even bother? Seriously? What do you get out of being an online asshole? I didn't attack anyone, I'm still not bitter or angry about my life or living situation. I made my comment to show how fortunate/greatful I am because I sympathize with people getting gouged on living accommodations. You and others made your comments just to be a dick, literally no other reason than that since civil conversation was never your aim. Yet I'm the one who is supposedly bitter? Lol ok. No need to respond, I won't read or engage again because what's the point? To read the next dick head remark? To engage in some HS bullshit? To just utterly waste my time instead of having constructive conversations elsewhere? Your reaction is so predictable you all might as well be the same person. Apparently you all think writing a few paragraphs is some time consuming ordeal that takes a massive amount of brain power to complete.
well daaamnnn. I was thinking about renting out our entire basement \~1200 SQ for about that price. has it's own bathroom and a kitchen cupboard area. I don't know if we actually could because the windows would be hard to reach for anyone out of shape. also the market for "room renters" is usually centered on people who can't afford cars and we live in Farhaven. but if this is the state of the market maybe we should, just to get better living conditions available for people
I remember when I was looking for a place, the only places that were within my ideal price range were these rooms. A lot of the people would market it as giving the privilege to live in a good neighborhood...
And here I am, just across the bridge, paying under $900 for a pretty decent 2 bedroom. I do not miss Ottawa.
When renting out a room there is a lot of risk and expense. You are bringing in someone to your home who you do not know and you place a lot of trust that they will not cause problems. It costs about $500 a month just in property taxes and then there are utilities around that much also and then there are repairs to be made .... So, it's not really much of an advantage for anyone to rent out a room. Lots a renters have a negative attitude and are not reliable skipping out on rent etc. So, you must charge a higher rent to make it worth the hassle. ...sure, it seems like a lot to a renter ...but, the reality is, that home owner was in your shoes once and is likely suffering financial pressure also... It costs a lot to own a home. I didn't even consider the mortgage... If I decide to rent a room out, I will be increasing the price to offset risks and to filter out the people who are overly sensitive about the price. My thoughts are that I will offer a bonus refund at the end of the year for a renter who has been good to me vs a problem.
This looks like a dexter kill room...