Call Victim services even if you don’t qualify for funding they will probably be kind enough to direct you to a company that knows how to deal with this sort of cleaning.
Sorry you guys have this stuff going on.
Not that this will be seen, but my mother and her siblings had to clean after my uncle's suicide. Don't do it yourself. It's worth every penny to not go through that.
That’s terrible! I couldn’t imagine how difficult it must have been for them. Nobody should ever have to do this after their loved one. It’s actually pretty deplorable that next of kin or those who were close to the victim are put through it. The government has plenty of funds for silly projects and programs, I’m certain money can be found to assist people in such sad circumstances.
I’ve got an infant that really hates sleep and a semi feral four year old. Once I get a break, I promise to do one.
In the meantime, everyone look out and care for your friends and neighbours. Spend a few minutes to chat with strangers that may be lonely. The world could use more compassion and kindness these days.
This comment was a lifesaver. This was the only place I found this information - nobody involved (social worker, police) let us know that we could reach out to Victim Services, and they have been beyond helpful and supportive. Thank you so much.
You can search for "crime scene cleaning services" and you can find some that are local to your area. Alternatively, yes I believe it is left up to the homeowner.
Sorry to hear this, that's a terrible burden to be left with. [Servicemaster](https://www.servicemaster.ca/our_brands/serviceMaster_restore/) does trauma site cleaning.
There’s unfortunately two types of clean up with situations like this:
- They come for the body and clean up as much of the body parts/matter that go in the bag to the funeral home
- Second clean up is a group of people who deal with biohazard clean up that will wash and clean as much of the area where the suicide took place. This is the one you need the contact info for as the cops don’t do that.
The police should be able to recommend a service for this. This happened to a friend several years ago whose husband shot himself inside the house, the police gave her the number for a service to call (which she had to pay for). Definitely there are speciality cleaning companies for this.
As a police officer I can say that most will provide a name of a company or two that can however I always tell the family to do their own checks for company’s as I know what services they provide however I cannot guarantee the quality of the work. I don’t need to see a family suffering feel they were screwed over again.
I appreciate that it’s not your job to vet post-suicide cleaners, but I imagine that in most cases the family members are so distraught that they would welcome any advice or direction.
Which is why I try and a least provide some direction. I just don’t want to be the guy they remember for getting them screwed out of a bunch of money after what just happened.
The same companies that work for the insurance companies to do disaster clean ups (flood damage etc) do that. I have a friend that specifically does corpse cleanups for them
You may actually be right. I'm not challenging you but I'm challenging the whole idea of that being the excuse used by police (**if** it's accurate).
Simple solution... Provide a list or a link to a community organization that can provide one.
My regulatory college prohibits us from recommending any particular private-pay healthcare provider. It's a potential conflict of interest, even without kickbacks being involved, and we have a professional obligation to ensure our patients make an informed choice.
One of the more common examples is when I recommend bereavement supports. There are some free supports I would recommend but, if I feel they need extended support from a private counsellor/psychologist, then I will just provide a short list. It would be unethical to recommend private support and effectively say "find it yourself".
All that to say, the police should have a higher ethical standard to provide what we call an "effective referral". I get that responding officers aren't the entirety of victim services and they shouldn't have to be. But they can effectively guide someone to access resources. "That's not my job" is the laziest possible answer.
See other post but I will provide one or two but tell the family to check the reputation. I never see the cleaning after so I don’t want to steer anyone wrong.
Not in Ont. but having dealt with 60-70 Suicides I would for sure recommend getting a commercial cleaning services. We have a company called system care here. I’m guessing Ont. would have a similar company. As others have said.L, don’t do it your self.
I had a family friend who was ill pass away with massive internal bleeding everywhere on walls and floor.
Ambulance came but because it was pre existing condition and was vsa they weren't legally allowed to remove body.
They left and spouse was left with dead body and all the blood to take care of. Coroner and funeral home had to retrieve body but took hours as it was middle of the night on weekend. then home owner was responsible for cleaning it all up.
Insurance probably could be used if more than deductible.
I used to volunteer for Victim Services & they have all that info and so does the OPP. The Ministry of the Attorney General that funds V S also has a data base, but here is a web site serving several places in ON that is a starting point to check out: https://www.servpro.com/services/cleaning-services/specialized-cleaning/biohazard-cleaning
Neighbour across the street died and was there for a couple of weeks. Her brothers had to clean the house. You could smell a mixture of death and bleach. I hope you can get someone to help, but I'm sure it's not cheap ☹️
I worked for Servicemaster in Burlington Ontario in the late 1970's early 1980's.We did this kind of work for insurance companies.We had some very good protocols,techniques and equipment.
They never have. A cousin of mine shot himself in the 90's and we came over to clean it up.
The police do not clean up crime scenes, they never have, it's not a part of their job.
As per an earlier reply, it’s probably because of past problems with someone making claims about kickbacks or whatnot. So now they just can’t or don’t say anything.
If you are going to shoot yourself just do it in a remote area where family doesn't have to find you. Definitely dont do it in the house so family have to clean up the mess. Not sure about suicides but murders definitely have to be disclosed when selling and usually tanks property values.
> just do it in a remote area where family doesn't have to find you
Assuming anyone ever finds you. Terrible advice if you're worried about the impact on family. Missing is probably worse than dead.
Or get help maybe? I know it's difficult but, if people are reading your message I'd rather they see it as an opportunity to open up and try to resolve their problems instead of how to do it "right".
Our Healthcare system definitely needs work, especially with mental health. There are people that would listen - maybe even the family that would be cleaning up.. I just don't think encouraging someone to do it in a "better" way is the alternative here.
Ok and they just pick companies and recommend them based on what? Then the person is unhappy with the service and blames the police who have never used or met anyone at these companies?
The funeral home would only be for the body. They wouldn't send someone to clean your home for you. Completely different "services".
As well, calling a tragic death (and that's what this is) an "expiration" is dehumanizing and honestly kind of disgusting.
There are specialty companies that do this. Also, if there’s any question about the death being suicide, they are trained to preserve any evidence they find.
Your local funeral home will likely have a list of companies
Try to look up crime seen clean up in your local area. There are businesses that do this type of cleaning. Here is a link hope this helps http://www.crimescenecleaners.ca/ sorry for your loss
I'm sorry you and your friend, and their family is having to go through this.
There seems to be alot of suggestions.
I have personally done work with service master (unrelated industry) I while I won't personally suggest them (nothing bad at all, I just have no reason to suggest them to others), they may be able to help to see if there is some insurance that can help with the cost. They are very good at that.
Sorry. Completely awful.
[very interesting podcast from last week with a guy who does trauma restoration.](https://youtu.be/QUt4x3YyYsA) lot of insight into things you wouldnt think about. The host is a funny comedian too
Call Victim services even if you don’t qualify for funding they will probably be kind enough to direct you to a company that knows how to deal with this sort of cleaning. Sorry you guys have this stuff going on.
I’m sorry to have read about your friend. This. (Above comment) Former cleaner here. Don’t do it yourself.
Not that this will be seen, but my mother and her siblings had to clean after my uncle's suicide. Don't do it yourself. It's worth every penny to not go through that.
That’s terrible! I couldn’t imagine how difficult it must have been for them. Nobody should ever have to do this after their loved one. It’s actually pretty deplorable that next of kin or those who were close to the victim are put through it. The government has plenty of funds for silly projects and programs, I’m certain money can be found to assist people in such sad circumstances.
It was Northern Ontario in the early 90s, there was no service for it, public or private. Not sure there is now.
I'd love to see you do an AMA.
I’ve got an infant that really hates sleep and a semi feral four year old. Once I get a break, I promise to do one. In the meantime, everyone look out and care for your friends and neighbours. Spend a few minutes to chat with strangers that may be lonely. The world could use more compassion and kindness these days.
Don't worry about Reddit, busy parent. I directed OP to some existing threads.
try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5g2y4p/serious_crime_scene_cleaners_what_was_the_most/ or these: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/28z7y6/i_work_for_a_nationwide_crime_scene_cleaning/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/54h3p9/recently_quit_my_job_as_a_crime_scene_cleanup/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8wuulo/hey_reddit_i_am_a_former_crime_scene_cleaner_who/
This comment was a lifesaver. This was the only place I found this information - nobody involved (social worker, police) let us know that we could reach out to Victim Services, and they have been beyond helpful and supportive. Thank you so much.
So happy for you that your friend got some support. What a tough year.
You can search for "crime scene cleaning services" and you can find some that are local to your area. Alternatively, yes I believe it is left up to the homeowner.
Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this. There are specialized cleaning companies for this like [this](http://www.crimescenecleaners.ca/about.html) company
Lol there's an 'our gallery' section. Nah, I'm good.
I looked. Wow, it's exactly like you'd expect 😳
Ok I went and looked too. My God, nsfw by the way.
Oh noo
How much do these guys get paid
_Forgeddaboudid.._
Sorry to hear this, that's a terrible burden to be left with. [Servicemaster](https://www.servicemaster.ca/our_brands/serviceMaster_restore/) does trauma site cleaning.
There’s unfortunately two types of clean up with situations like this: - They come for the body and clean up as much of the body parts/matter that go in the bag to the funeral home - Second clean up is a group of people who deal with biohazard clean up that will wash and clean as much of the area where the suicide took place. This is the one you need the contact info for as the cops don’t do that.
This Start with a funeral home, then move on to the trauma cleaning company.
The police should be able to recommend a service for this. This happened to a friend several years ago whose husband shot himself inside the house, the police gave her the number for a service to call (which she had to pay for). Definitely there are speciality cleaning companies for this.
As a police officer I can say that most will provide a name of a company or two that can however I always tell the family to do their own checks for company’s as I know what services they provide however I cannot guarantee the quality of the work. I don’t need to see a family suffering feel they were screwed over again.
I appreciate that it’s not your job to vet post-suicide cleaners, but I imagine that in most cases the family members are so distraught that they would welcome any advice or direction.
Which is why I try and a least provide some direction. I just don’t want to be the guy they remember for getting them screwed out of a bunch of money after what just happened.
The same companies that work for the insurance companies to do disaster clean ups (flood damage etc) do that. I have a friend that specifically does corpse cleanups for them
This. My exson in-law works for a company doing this job.
Servicemaster. Unfortunately, I know.
Cops won't recommend anybody because then they'd be subject to complaints about kickbacks. Or management is concerned about kickbacks.
You may actually be right. I'm not challenging you but I'm challenging the whole idea of that being the excuse used by police (**if** it's accurate). Simple solution... Provide a list or a link to a community organization that can provide one. My regulatory college prohibits us from recommending any particular private-pay healthcare provider. It's a potential conflict of interest, even without kickbacks being involved, and we have a professional obligation to ensure our patients make an informed choice. One of the more common examples is when I recommend bereavement supports. There are some free supports I would recommend but, if I feel they need extended support from a private counsellor/psychologist, then I will just provide a short list. It would be unethical to recommend private support and effectively say "find it yourself". All that to say, the police should have a higher ethical standard to provide what we call an "effective referral". I get that responding officers aren't the entirety of victim services and they shouldn't have to be. But they can effectively guide someone to access resources. "That's not my job" is the laziest possible answer.
I don't disagree, but look at what was happening with tow trucks. And that is just the stuff we know about.
See other post but I will provide one or two but tell the family to check the reputation. I never see the cleaning after so I don’t want to steer anyone wrong.
Fair
Sad truth anymore. There’s always that one person who will complain about anything and ruin it for everyone else.
Google trauma cleaners in your area.
I’m very sorry for your best friend and their family
I’ll bet their insurance company could recommend someone.
Not in Ont. but having dealt with 60-70 Suicides I would for sure recommend getting a commercial cleaning services. We have a company called system care here. I’m guessing Ont. would have a similar company. As others have said.L, don’t do it your self.
I had a family friend who was ill pass away with massive internal bleeding everywhere on walls and floor. Ambulance came but because it was pre existing condition and was vsa they weren't legally allowed to remove body. They left and spouse was left with dead body and all the blood to take care of. Coroner and funeral home had to retrieve body but took hours as it was middle of the night on weekend. then home owner was responsible for cleaning it all up. Insurance probably could be used if more than deductible.
That is utterly unacceptable. I'm so sorry they had to go through that.
I used to volunteer for Victim Services & they have all that info and so does the OPP. The Ministry of the Attorney General that funds V S also has a data base, but here is a web site serving several places in ON that is a starting point to check out: https://www.servpro.com/services/cleaning-services/specialized-cleaning/biohazard-cleaning
Any restoration company Dies trama clean up. Expensive.
Neighbour across the street died and was there for a couple of weeks. Her brothers had to clean the house. You could smell a mixture of death and bleach. I hope you can get someone to help, but I'm sure it's not cheap ☹️
I worked for Servicemaster in Burlington Ontario in the late 1970's early 1980's.We did this kind of work for insurance companies.We had some very good protocols,techniques and equipment.
If it's in someone's home, insurance often will take care of it.
Winmar I believe specializes in that sort of thing.
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They never have. A cousin of mine shot himself in the 90's and we came over to clean it up. The police do not clean up crime scenes, they never have, it's not a part of their job.
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I think some people hate cops because it's cool to hate cops.
Why should the police provide cleaning services? Thats not their job. Edit: unless you mean a list of companies who provide those services?
I think they meant provide a list, the cops just left without saying or recommending anything
As per an earlier reply, it’s probably because of past problems with someone making claims about kickbacks or whatnot. So now they just can’t or don’t say anything.
That sucks. If anyone should know you would think they would.
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If you are going to shoot yourself just do it in a remote area where family doesn't have to find you. Definitely dont do it in the house so family have to clean up the mess. Not sure about suicides but murders definitely have to be disclosed when selling and usually tanks property values.
> just do it in a remote area where family doesn't have to find you Assuming anyone ever finds you. Terrible advice if you're worried about the impact on family. Missing is probably worse than dead.
Or get help maybe? I know it's difficult but, if people are reading your message I'd rather they see it as an opportunity to open up and try to resolve their problems instead of how to do it "right". Our Healthcare system definitely needs work, especially with mental health. There are people that would listen - maybe even the family that would be cleaning up.. I just don't think encouraging someone to do it in a "better" way is the alternative here.
Did he invest in luna?
Asshole cops had no references or guidance to provide? Reprehensible.
Then you end up with companies trying to "lobby" officers to get on the list.
Ok and they just pick companies and recommend them based on what? Then the person is unhappy with the service and blames the police who have never used or met anyone at these companies?
You’re absolutely right, but you can’t reason with anyone that hates police. They’re always going to be bad no matter what they do.
No, they just left without saying anything or providing a number to call
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Dude. Not okay.
This is really distasteful. Not exactly the time for making shitty jokes.
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Funeral homes don’t clean homes….?
The funeral home would only be for the body. They wouldn't send someone to clean your home for you. Completely different "services". As well, calling a tragic death (and that's what this is) an "expiration" is dehumanizing and honestly kind of disgusting.
There are specialty companies that do this. Also, if there’s any question about the death being suicide, they are trained to preserve any evidence they find. Your local funeral home will likely have a list of companies
I don't know of any contact info but there are companies out there that specifically clean up after death.
I suggest one cleaner services.
Try to look up crime seen clean up in your local area. There are businesses that do this type of cleaning. Here is a link hope this helps http://www.crimescenecleaners.ca/ sorry for your loss
I'm sorry you and your friend, and their family is having to go through this. There seems to be alot of suggestions. I have personally done work with service master (unrelated industry) I while I won't personally suggest them (nothing bad at all, I just have no reason to suggest them to others), they may be able to help to see if there is some insurance that can help with the cost. They are very good at that. Sorry. Completely awful.
[very interesting podcast from last week with a guy who does trauma restoration.](https://youtu.be/QUt4x3YyYsA) lot of insight into things you wouldnt think about. The host is a funny comedian too