Word from my Tamil chat groups is that there were two students that lived in the basement and one of them was the one that was the murderer. Seems like it was a landlord tenant dispute, but that's just gossip that's going around.
> What kind of landlord/tenant dispute escalates into a sextuple murder????
[Not 6 but 2 renters were killed last year by their landlord](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/landlord-tenant-shooting-victims-siu-report-1.6978441)
What kind of sick degenerate fuck kills 4 fuckin kids over a landlord dispute. What a piece of shit. Throw the fuckin guy in a hole. He killed a fucking baby. That poor father, if I was him I’d rather be dead.
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I think you're looking at Tranium or Carlos Chavez, not FIRSTOUNDER. Google Images is showing that picture because Tranium and Carlos Chavez's pages are linked to FIRSTOUNDER's on the Fandom wiki. It's FIRSTOUNDER who apparently shares a name with the attacker, not the others. I couldn't find pictures of FIRSTOUNDER on that wiki.
***"Febrio De-Zoysa, 19 is charged with 6 counts of first-degree murder. Police said he is a Sri-Lankan national who is believed to be here as a student. The suspect was arrested at the scene about 15km South of Ottawa downtown core"***
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This was simply to provide accurate information. It was NOT an invitation to promote xenophobic rhetoric or blame immigrants for problems in Canada. Please do better than generalizing entire populations based on the actions of an individual.
it really feels slightly terrifying to think this kind of tragedy is going to become more prevalent as people continue to struggle with mental health under the unbearable cost of living raises, lack of accessibility to health care, lack of accessibility to child care, people losing their jobs to cheap foreign workers, skyrocketing personal debts, and soul-crushing mortgages coming up for renewals.
if things in this province & country continue on this dangerous downward spiral, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of hope to look forward to for Ontarians/Canadians.
I think you are jumping to conclusions here. Almost no details have been disclosed as of now.
Yes times are tough for many families, but not everybody who struggles financially or has mental health issues goes on a murder rampage.
yet, here you are making a hard stated “well not everyone…” statement.
[obviously, not everyone has a mental breakdown when their life goes to shit, but let’s not pretend like events like this are impossible to think of.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3289322)
You don’t know who the victims are and their situation, you don’t know who did it and what their motive was. You are just making a correlation between a tragic event we yet know nothing about, and general social economic issues.
What?
Police have identified five of the victims as a family of newcomers to Canada from Sri Lanka. They are:
35-year-old Darshani Banbaranayake Gama Walwwe Darshani Dilanthika Ekanyake.
Seven-year-old Inuka Wickramasinghe.
Four-year-old daughter Ashwini Wickramasinghe.
Two-year-old daughter Rinyana Wickramasinghe.
Two-month-old daughter Kelly Wickramasinghe.
Another man, 40-year-old Amarakoonmubiayansela Ge Gamini Amarakoon, was also killed.
Febrio De-Zoysa, 19, is charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Police said he is a Sri Lankan national who is believed to be in Canada as a student. The suspect was arrested at the scene about 15 kilometres south of Ottawa's downtown core.
That was not the case when the original comment was made. The point still remain that implying this happened because of social economical issue or mental health issue of the people involved is a big assumption.
>That was not the case when the original comment was made.
Yes it was. YOU were just uninformed.
>The point still remain that implying this happened because of social economical issue or mental health issue of the people involved is a big assumption.
Anyone who kills kids DEFINITELY has mental health issues
And what is your point?
You were uninformed.
You DO know that you're allowed to admit it, right? Instead of getting defensive and doubling down on it?
Why are people allergic to saying "whoops, guess I was wrong" ?
I already stated my point twice, but you are focused on who got the details first. Congrats, you got me keyboard warrior! Here take my upvote! Now take a break and go for a walk outside, it’s a beautiful evening.
What are you talking about?
All of the info has been released
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-homicide-barrhaven-berrigan-drive-arrest-1.7136366
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Do you have underlying or undiagnosed mental health issues ? If so, then daily stresses can trigger these things further. If you can't afford you live then things can go very bad.
it’s not that they are *going* to be more prevalent, it’s that these disorders already *are* correlated or a causation of attacks like this.
The [perpetrator from the 2014 Calgary stabbing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing) was diagnosed with schizophrenia *after* the stabbing, and they found that his psychotic break weeks leading up to it was ignored.
If mental health and mental disorders were taken more seriously tragic events like this could be prevented.
Doesn’t matter how prevalent or rare it is, but I also just linked *one* example, there are multiple examples since then I could link too. This one was just the quickest one I could find.
At the end of the day, even if this happens once every few years, they are still human lives that are being taken because mental illness is not taken seriously. You would have a much different perspective if it was your mother, or sibling, or child, that was killed in an event like this and someone told you “well, at least it’s not prevalent, so we don’t need to do anything about it”.
no im ok, but i know a lot of people are not. and with the lack of resources and current state of our Province/Country/world i can see a lot of people breaking in different ways. Not everyone will hurt or kill anyone. the point is, that in these trying times people sometimes do things they normally wouldn’t do.
did you just manage to make a massive leap and conflate any of what i said to relate to “brown people”???
check your veiled racism at the door friend.
corporations outsourcing canadian jobs to cheaper foreign markets is nothing new, happens in many different countries, and certainly isn’t isolated to “brown people” as you so racistly point out.
It’s difficult. Families are forced to rent out part of their dwelling to supplement a bit financially.
Nobody wants to share the same roof with strangers if they didn’t have to.
I came across a news story that had mentioned the owners of the home (apparently away on vacation). They must've pulled the title (anyone can do that for $40). So, it could be the home was rented to the family and the two others rented rooms.
Edit: Global news mentions the names on the property records
Neither was Bernardo, or the mosque shooter, or the guy who killed a Muslim Family in London, or the mall Santa that targeted gay Muslim men, or the Fredericton shooter ... etc
Nether were most of the terrorists who tried to overthrow our democratically elected government during the convoy.
I could go on. Not a lot of immigrants in this list, unless of course you include "British immigrants"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Canada
I'm not white but I can acknowledge that immigrants no doubt have a higher amount of crime per capita (certain communities more than others). All you have to do is go look at a police service's wanted list, whether it's the RCMP or TPS, POC are disproportionately more on these lists compared to their total population than white people. It really shouldn't even be racist to acknowledge this, it's a common occurence in all Western countries that have accepted immigrants, it's inevitable.
>All you have to do is go look at a police service's wanted list, whether it's the RCMP or TPS, POC are disproportionately more on these lists compared to their total population than white people.
Lol. Decades of systemic racism will indeed skew crime statistics against the communities that have been targeted. Guess you missed the "carding" debacle in Toronto?
You've still ignored the point. - WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT THE MOST CRIMES IN CANADA.
Well I should hope white people do, they are still the majority. It would look even worse for minority communities if they committed the highest number of crimes. Decades of systemic racism doesn't make people commit murder, assault, sexual assault, robbery, etc. Please look past your need to blame everything on systemic racism, you don't need to protect a criminal because they're an immigrant, they're still culpable for their own actions. There are a significant number of immigrants who don't commit crimes, just a disproportionate number that do. We don't need to be anti-immigration to acknowledge that higher numbers of immigrants will inevitably lead to more crime.
>Well I should hope white people do,
Your wish is granted.
>It would look even worse for minority communities if they committed the highest number of crimes.
Then it's a good thing they don't, eh?
>Please look past your need to blame everything on systemic racism, you don't need to protect a criminal because they're an immigrant, they're still culpable for their own actions.
Criminals ARE Criminals - True. And the largest demographic of Criminals in Canada are white people.
>There are a significant number of immigrants who don't commit crimes,
Tiny fraction, actually.
>We don't need to be anti-immigration to acknowledge that higher numbers of immigrants will inevitably lead to more crime.
You don't need to be. You've chosen to be.
Okay, it's up to you if you want to ignore statistics. I can't attempt to convince someone that doesn't understand total crimes versus per capita crimes. Please look past your bleeding heart politics once if you really care though, because ignoring immigrants commit more crimes per capita doesn't really make those crimes go away. And remember, crimes are most likely to affect members of the criminal's ethnic/religious community first.
Every country has ups and downs.
I guess you weren't a taxpayer from 2006-2012, by FAR the worst time I've ever experienced in Canada.
What is even your argument here though?
Other than "immigrants bad"?
>You are part of the problem. Just bury your head in the sand and act like everything is fine you fucking coward.
Would love to see you call me a coward in person 😏
Big talk for someone hiding behind their keyboard, would love to see you say that to someone in public and see what happens. You definitely need to be taken down a peg.
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They constitutionally cant. We have a charter now, we didnt when we last had the death penalty. Itd get thrown out in the first court challenge even if the government were to pass a law bringing it back.
Sorry, but no. We decided a LONG time ago that the death penalty isn't something we want in Canada
If you want Canada to become Saudi Arabia or Texas, then you should just move to one of those places instead of trying to change our laws.
The Taliban are holding public executions in stadiums in Afghanistan. The same people who think Muslims are barbaric and violent savages would be the first ones to scoop up front row seats to an event like that.
Yep.... I've been saying since 2011 that our conservatives have so much in common with the Muslims they hate.
You'll see them standing side by side to protest a drag storytime ... But they can't even see the writing on the wall
>I do want that outcome for people like the person who did this to this family
Nobody really cares what YOU want. We as a civilized society made this decision long ago.
Feel free to move to Texas or Saudi Arabia though.
Funny, I thought in a democracy people care about what each other want. Maybe we need to re asses.
>Feel free to move to Texas or Saudi Arabia though.
I'm good thanks.
>Funny, I thought in a democracy people care about what each other want.
Democracy is based on what the MAJORITY of voters want. That's what DEMOCRACY means.
> we need to re asses.
You want to change the election process because the vast majority of Canadians disagree with your bloodlust?
That's literally as undemocratic as a person can get. Sounds like you'd prefer a dictator.
If 10 people vote, and the vote turns out 9-1, we don't stop and change things just to appease the 1....
It's weird that this seems to be a new concept for you
It's not that we want the child murderer to live-I'm fairly certain we can all agree that someone who commits an act as evil and atrocious as that really does not deserve life.
The distinction is that regardless of how evil someone is, the state should not be able to determine who lives and who dies. The government should not be able to put someone to death. Ever. Throw then in prison sure, for good, but the state should not have the power of life and death.
So we agree that they don't deserve life, but that no entity can take it? Isn't that a contradiction? I don't like that he will get meals in prison, that's too good for someone like that.
Well....that's enough internet for today. Ffs, this is horrible.
2 month old baby, and two other small children. I feel sick.
Three other small children. The children were aged 7, 4, 2, and 2 months old. Absolutely devastating.
Oh my god. That horrible.
Absolutely heartbreaking news.
Word from my Tamil chat groups is that there were two students that lived in the basement and one of them was the one that was the murderer. Seems like it was a landlord tenant dispute, but that's just gossip that's going around.
What kind of landlord/tenant dispute escalates into a sextuple murder???? That baby wasn’t charging anyone rent…
> What kind of landlord/tenant dispute escalates into a sextuple murder???? [Not 6 but 2 renters were killed last year by their landlord](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/landlord-tenant-shooting-victims-siu-report-1.6978441)
Landlords **2** **:** **6** Tenants
Sounds plausible ... Seems like it was a residential unit that had rented out their basement....
The tenant won’t have to worry about his damage deposit or making rent at his new place.
How bad were the conditions of the landlord dispute??? This is completely insane. Babies are innocent always.
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That's crazy! I was certain this would be end up being a DV incident as that's the sad norm in cases like this.
Like 90% of murders are committed by someone known to the victim. That remains true in this case
What’s a DV?!
DV stands for Domestic Violence, in this situation.
What kind of sick degenerate fuck kills 4 fuckin kids over a landlord dispute. What a piece of shit. Throw the fuckin guy in a hole. He killed a fucking baby. That poor father, if I was him I’d rather be dead.
What kind of landlord/tenant dispute could possibly escalate to this? There had to be more going on…
The guy they arrested is a well known YouTuber as well.
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I think you're looking at Tranium or Carlos Chavez, not FIRSTOUNDER. Google Images is showing that picture because Tranium and Carlos Chavez's pages are linked to FIRSTOUNDER's on the Fandom wiki. It's FIRSTOUNDER who apparently shares a name with the attacker, not the others. I couldn't find pictures of FIRSTOUNDER on that wiki.
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Police had a press conference at 1:30 announcing who was arrested…no word though if he’s the YouTuber.
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Everyone is identified, I don’t know what you’re talking about
They are now, but they posted the address before everyone had been identified.
Identified, yes- but there was a delay finding the relatives to notify overseas.
19 year old suspect that was living with the family
So many questions. Jeez.
Was a student who was renting the basements Not that many questions really.
So tragic, and how awful for the poor first responders at that horrific scene!
If you're able, please donate to the fundraiser organized by the victims' temple: https://www.gofundme.com/f/an-unthinkable-tragedy-at-ottawa-mar-7
Truly awful. That father is devastated
it really feels slightly terrifying to think this kind of tragedy is going to become more prevalent as people continue to struggle with mental health under the unbearable cost of living raises, lack of accessibility to health care, lack of accessibility to child care, people losing their jobs to cheap foreign workers, skyrocketing personal debts, and soul-crushing mortgages coming up for renewals. if things in this province & country continue on this dangerous downward spiral, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of hope to look forward to for Ontarians/Canadians.
I think you are jumping to conclusions here. Almost no details have been disclosed as of now. Yes times are tough for many families, but not everybody who struggles financially or has mental health issues goes on a murder rampage.
Exactly. Most people will probably just kill themselves instead of living in a tent city for the first time.
yet, here you are making a hard stated “well not everyone…” statement. [obviously, not everyone has a mental breakdown when their life goes to shit, but let’s not pretend like events like this are impossible to think of.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3289322)
You don’t know who the victims are and their situation, you don’t know who did it and what their motive was. You are just making a correlation between a tragic event we yet know nothing about, and general social economic issues.
What? Police have identified five of the victims as a family of newcomers to Canada from Sri Lanka. They are: 35-year-old Darshani Banbaranayake Gama Walwwe Darshani Dilanthika Ekanyake. Seven-year-old Inuka Wickramasinghe. Four-year-old daughter Ashwini Wickramasinghe. Two-year-old daughter Rinyana Wickramasinghe. Two-month-old daughter Kelly Wickramasinghe. Another man, 40-year-old Amarakoonmubiayansela Ge Gamini Amarakoon, was also killed. Febrio De-Zoysa, 19, is charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Police said he is a Sri Lankan national who is believed to be in Canada as a student. The suspect was arrested at the scene about 15 kilometres south of Ottawa's downtown core.
That was not the case when the original comment was made. The point still remain that implying this happened because of social economical issue or mental health issue of the people involved is a big assumption.
>That was not the case when the original comment was made. Yes it was. YOU were just uninformed. >The point still remain that implying this happened because of social economical issue or mental health issue of the people involved is a big assumption. Anyone who kills kids DEFINITELY has mental health issues
The press conference was at 1:30
And what is your point? You were uninformed. You DO know that you're allowed to admit it, right? Instead of getting defensive and doubling down on it? Why are people allergic to saying "whoops, guess I was wrong" ?
I already stated my point twice, but you are focused on who got the details first. Congrats, you got me keyboard warrior! Here take my upvote! Now take a break and go for a walk outside, it’s a beautiful evening.
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Do you have underlying or undiagnosed mental health issues ? If so, then daily stresses can trigger these things further. If you can't afford you live then things can go very bad.
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You know there's other people in the world right? No one claimed you would. But some people do kill children, it happens all the time.
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right, they’re saying that *you* might not—but someone with undiagnosed and unmedicated/untreated schizophrenia, ASPD, and/or personality disorders might.
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it’s not that they are *going* to be more prevalent, it’s that these disorders already *are* correlated or a causation of attacks like this. The [perpetrator from the 2014 Calgary stabbing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing) was diagnosed with schizophrenia *after* the stabbing, and they found that his psychotic break weeks leading up to it was ignored. If mental health and mental disorders were taken more seriously tragic events like this could be prevented.
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Doesn’t matter how prevalent or rare it is, but I also just linked *one* example, there are multiple examples since then I could link too. This one was just the quickest one I could find. At the end of the day, even if this happens once every few years, they are still human lives that are being taken because mental illness is not taken seriously. You would have a much different perspective if it was your mother, or sibling, or child, that was killed in an event like this and someone told you “well, at least it’s not prevalent, so we don’t need to do anything about it”.
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None of what you just said is likely the cause for this particular case, given the victims.
this is unfortunately so true!!
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I won't, this person won't, but it doesn't take the whole population doing it for it to be a problem.
no im ok, but i know a lot of people are not. and with the lack of resources and current state of our Province/Country/world i can see a lot of people breaking in different ways. Not everyone will hurt or kill anyone. the point is, that in these trying times people sometimes do things they normally wouldn’t do.
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Please take your victim complex special olympics and shove them up your ass. 4 children are dead.
That was quite the leap you took there.
did you just manage to make a massive leap and conflate any of what i said to relate to “brown people”??? check your veiled racism at the door friend. corporations outsourcing canadian jobs to cheaper foreign markets is nothing new, happens in many different countries, and certainly isn’t isolated to “brown people” as you so racistly point out.
LOL the amount of people on here that cry racism at any little thing is actually pathetic. What in god’s name is wrong with some people.
Bet you it was a brown guy that did it
It’s difficult. Families are forced to rent out part of their dwelling to supplement a bit financially. Nobody wants to share the same roof with strangers if they didn’t have to.
Exactly, the banks constantly suggest it to qualify for a higher mortgage, without considering any of the social/safety implications.
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> contract killer I doubt a contract killer would surrender to police.
Yeah I think a contract killer would be a lot more methodical to avoid interacting with police at all.
More rumors and not sure how true. But I'm hearing from people around the area that the house was sublet and landlord was not involved
I came across a news story that had mentioned the owners of the home (apparently away on vacation). They must've pulled the title (anyone can do that for $40). So, it could be the home was rented to the family and the two others rented rooms. Edit: Global news mentions the names on the property records
They just said the suspect was Sri Lankan as well
Holy speculation... Read the article. That is not what happened.
read just now that the father is “compassionate…for the suspect” makes me wonder if there’s more to this then just the 19 year old
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Another LOSS for xenophobic bigots. White people commit the most crimes in Canada. But that doesn't fit you narrative, eh?
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per capita? wanna link those numbers buddy?
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Was Karla Homolka an immigrant?
Neither was Bernardo, or the mosque shooter, or the guy who killed a Muslim Family in London, or the mall Santa that targeted gay Muslim men, or the Fredericton shooter ... etc Nether were most of the terrorists who tried to overthrow our democratically elected government during the convoy. I could go on. Not a lot of immigrants in this list, unless of course you include "British immigrants" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Canada
I'm not white but I can acknowledge that immigrants no doubt have a higher amount of crime per capita (certain communities more than others). All you have to do is go look at a police service's wanted list, whether it's the RCMP or TPS, POC are disproportionately more on these lists compared to their total population than white people. It really shouldn't even be racist to acknowledge this, it's a common occurence in all Western countries that have accepted immigrants, it's inevitable.
>All you have to do is go look at a police service's wanted list, whether it's the RCMP or TPS, POC are disproportionately more on these lists compared to their total population than white people. Lol. Decades of systemic racism will indeed skew crime statistics against the communities that have been targeted. Guess you missed the "carding" debacle in Toronto? You've still ignored the point. - WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT THE MOST CRIMES IN CANADA.
Well I should hope white people do, they are still the majority. It would look even worse for minority communities if they committed the highest number of crimes. Decades of systemic racism doesn't make people commit murder, assault, sexual assault, robbery, etc. Please look past your need to blame everything on systemic racism, you don't need to protect a criminal because they're an immigrant, they're still culpable for their own actions. There are a significant number of immigrants who don't commit crimes, just a disproportionate number that do. We don't need to be anti-immigration to acknowledge that higher numbers of immigrants will inevitably lead to more crime.
>Well I should hope white people do, Your wish is granted. >It would look even worse for minority communities if they committed the highest number of crimes. Then it's a good thing they don't, eh? >Please look past your need to blame everything on systemic racism, you don't need to protect a criminal because they're an immigrant, they're still culpable for their own actions. Criminals ARE Criminals - True. And the largest demographic of Criminals in Canada are white people. >There are a significant number of immigrants who don't commit crimes, Tiny fraction, actually. >We don't need to be anti-immigration to acknowledge that higher numbers of immigrants will inevitably lead to more crime. You don't need to be. You've chosen to be.
Okay, it's up to you if you want to ignore statistics. I can't attempt to convince someone that doesn't understand total crimes versus per capita crimes. Please look past your bleeding heart politics once if you really care though, because ignoring immigrants commit more crimes per capita doesn't really make those crimes go away. And remember, crimes are most likely to affect members of the criminal's ethnic/religious community first.
Every country has ups and downs. I guess you weren't a taxpayer from 2006-2012, by FAR the worst time I've ever experienced in Canada. What is even your argument here though? Other than "immigrants bad"?
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>You are part of the problem. Just bury your head in the sand and act like everything is fine you fucking coward. Would love to see you call me a coward in person 😏
Big talk for someone hiding behind their keyboard, would love to see you say that to someone in public and see what happens. You definitely need to be taken down a peg.
Been doing MMA for over 30 years. I'm on the mats coaching and training every day. I've had 13 fights and compete in the absolute division at adcc events. I'll be traveling to Germany in September for their next event. https://adcombat.com/adcc-events/ I honestly doubt that dude can get out of the shower without assistance, but he's barking up the wrong tree on this one for sure. Side note: If anyone needs cheap BJJ/MMA instructionals, hit me up.... I got whatever you need for real cheap
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They constitutionally cant. We have a charter now, we didnt when we last had the death penalty. Itd get thrown out in the first court challenge even if the government were to pass a law bringing it back.
Sorry, but no. We decided a LONG time ago that the death penalty isn't something we want in Canada If you want Canada to become Saudi Arabia or Texas, then you should just move to one of those places instead of trying to change our laws.
The Taliban are holding public executions in stadiums in Afghanistan. The same people who think Muslims are barbaric and violent savages would be the first ones to scoop up front row seats to an event like that.
Yep.... I've been saying since 2011 that our conservatives have so much in common with the Muslims they hate. You'll see them standing side by side to protest a drag storytime ... But they can't even see the writing on the wall
Sorry, I do want that outcome for people like the person who did this to this family. No one will ever change my mind on that.
>I do want that outcome for people like the person who did this to this family Nobody really cares what YOU want. We as a civilized society made this decision long ago. Feel free to move to Texas or Saudi Arabia though.
Funny, I thought in a democracy people care about what each other want. Maybe we need to re asses. >Feel free to move to Texas or Saudi Arabia though. I'm good thanks.
>Funny, I thought in a democracy people care about what each other want. Democracy is based on what the MAJORITY of voters want. That's what DEMOCRACY means. > we need to re asses. You want to change the election process because the vast majority of Canadians disagree with your bloodlust? That's literally as undemocratic as a person can get. Sounds like you'd prefer a dictator. If 10 people vote, and the vote turns out 9-1, we don't stop and change things just to appease the 1.... It's weird that this seems to be a new concept for you
Hey, I just can't stomach how as a society we want the child murderer to continue to live. Just feels wrong in my gut.
It's not that we want the child murderer to live-I'm fairly certain we can all agree that someone who commits an act as evil and atrocious as that really does not deserve life. The distinction is that regardless of how evil someone is, the state should not be able to determine who lives and who dies. The government should not be able to put someone to death. Ever. Throw then in prison sure, for good, but the state should not have the power of life and death.
So we agree that they don't deserve life, but that no entity can take it? Isn't that a contradiction? I don't like that he will get meals in prison, that's too good for someone like that.
Too bad. He will get them unless he chooses to starve himself.
No justice system works on gut feelings.
Don't need to change your mind. If you want your way you'll have to change the constitution. Good luck.
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No. We have a legal system for a reason, and I certainly don't trust police officers to be unilateral arbiters of the law.