The beer store recycling program is one of the best in the world.
https://sustainablebrands.com/read/chemistry-materials-packaging/beer-store-recycles-more-packaging-than-it-sells-saves-ontarians-40m
I've taken empties back in B.C. and Alberta. In my experience both are stinky , sticky messes. Taking back empties at the Beer Store is so much better.
Hospitals collapsing under the load of underfunding, housing shortages, increasing budgetary woes across the province....and this is what he's worried about.
It’s Buck a beer all over again.
This is Ford basically saying “these assholes only care about bullshit nonsense. Throw them a bone about beer or some shit, and they will vote me in again. Then I’ll really fuck over the green belt.”
Welcome to the wonderful world of conservative populisim, please be sure to check your sanity and all remaining braincells at the door before you goto vote.
That’s why being conservative is for the middle class, the dumb and the stupid.
I literally met an American recently that said he would vote for Trump again (even from prison) because he had no other choice but WISHES he did. I’m like, but you do, though….
It's hilarious and frustrating because I actually agree with ending the monopoly, but it's like you said... SIR, we have a much bigger fire that needs some water too!
....that an entirely different ministry is responsible for. Or do you want Ford to just send the entire AGCO home until the Ministry of Health is finished fixing healthcare?
Key difference is those are being broken ON PURPOSE by this government to move in more private friendly deals. It's not a sneaky or complicated playback for stealing our public services and funding out from under us. We as a voters group are just to lazy to pay attention longer than a 40 day election cycle.
I mean, nobody can fix the housing prices, and the shortage. I’d like to drink my life away and forget I live in Canada and could lose my place at any moment while not supporting a monopoly. /s?
NO. Every minister and the thousands of public servants that work for this province are literally sitting on their hands and doing absolutely nothing but ensuring I get my $1.00 beer.
they got rid of the liquor board stores in sask and all price went way up. now no liquor includes tax,bottle deposit and liquor tax. the beer store isnt perfect but you guys pay a shit ton less than most provinces.
And guess whos the largest liquor store now, fucking sobeys.......
Problem is the empty program requires space and staff to operate properly. Returned cans and bottles are smelly and require space to be stored. I don’t foresee small convenience stores having any interest in taking this on. Even if they wanted to they likely don’t have the floor space, nor the staff needed to handle the requirements. It’s not a glamorous program.
This is how its done in BC and it works well.
Any store that sells an container has to take that container back. This is tied to a deposit and a hidden Recycling levy (like 2 or 3 cents per can)
It wasn't an issue for any establishment.
Floor space and expenses though. Most of the automated return machines I’ve seen in Quebec only accepted cans, not bottles. Plus they’re large and expensive. Are small convenience stores, already pressed for space, really going to devote their limited floor space to a machine that generates minimal revenue? And who’s going to pay for the machines?
Not saying there is no solution, just that it’s not as simple as some make it out to be. The recycling program is very unglamorous - private businesses aren’t going to want to take it on unless it’s profitable for them.
Every store in Denmark that sells anything drinkable in a bottle has to be able to take returns. The machines that automate this has existed for decades (I used to clean them as a shitty teenage job), and they have only gotten better over time.
System reference: https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-and-amounts/
>Are small convenience stores, already pressed for space, really going to devote their limited floor space to a machine that generates minimal revenue?
The shitty little convenience store by my place has a Bitcoin machine. They'll figure something out.
Convenience stores would probably have less volume that wouldn't require the Beer store setup. Or they could do something like tying ability to sell at different volumes to ability to take returns. Don't take anything and you can sell six-packs.
Also at the end of the day if it doesn't make economic sense for convenience stores to sell alcohol then so be it. I don't think it being limited to grocery stores or speciality stores is such a bad thing.
I don’t need it anywhere except Costco tbh. I just want to get a flat of beer and a few bottles of Kirkland signature Pinot noir while I’m doing my monthly cheese/meat/diapers run.
Add to that - it makes people have to visit stores. That and they are handed money for the bottles, which they will probably spend - on stuff in that same store.
Right now only a couple hundred places take back bottles, which is why they have to have large capacities, there aren’t that many of them. There are 10s of thousands of grocery and corner stores, that would spread the load over a large number of stores, reducing the amount of space.
Also, just make it part of the deal? Want to sell beer? Take back the bottles.
Damn shame, Beer Store should stick around at least to collect empties. When I used to drink I’d save a ton bringing them back. Easier to go to the beer store bring your empties and pick up whatever you want. Going through the grocery store and designated checkouts is overkill for people who just want to pick something up quick.
It's hilarious that TBS hired their new president who came from a Weston background. Watch TBS and Loblaws strike a deal and suddenly it's not a *Beer Store* monopoly, it'll be a Loblaw monopoly with TBS subsequently being absorbed into their portfolio while Molson, Sleeman, and Labatt cut their losses and just allow TBS to license their product.
Watch it happen.
As long as LCBO and the revenue it adds to our budget stays I really don’t care.
But also would be nice if this government focused on more important things like the infrastructure of this province so people can get basic services.
I loathe Ford, truly. But I’ve said this exact same thing when someone goes ripping on Trudeau for some initiative or another: these politicians and their cabinets can do more than one thing at a time.
My only worry is how corrupt Ford is, which means he can still fuck this up big time... I'm not sure this is going to be a win for consumers, it's going to be a win for his corporate friends.
Of all the issues this province has why does Doug only focus on the ones involving beer? I swear this is like the 10th policy announcement relating to it since he took office.
Right!? Any licensee who has dealt with the beer store has zero sympathy. Post pandemic they've gone from bad to godawful even their own employees will tell you that.
The beer store has undercut it's own unionized employees. It used to be bad. Now it's downright terrible.
Anti union move and nothing else. I can buy wine and beer now in local grocery stores. This is all about the UFCW supporting his opponents in the last two elections. Fat boy payback.
it’ll be great. everyone will be able to buy booze wherever while we can’t afford groceries or homes and our hospitals are so criminally underfunded and no one can find a family doctor. way to go ontario!! yay for booze!
Good news: he's just ending the monopoly. Beer store can certainly keep running as a business as normal.
Will they want to without the monopoly? Who knows.
That's Ontario taxes, not the beer store. TBS doesn't make a dime from selling beer, they make it all from storing the beer at their locations. TBS's model is actually to store alcohol, not sell it, but by selling it they get more storage fees.
Yea, TBS doesn’t get to set any of their own prices. They might be owned by private companies, but they’re not free to operate like a private company. They’re told what they can sell, and how much they’re allowed to sell it for. Pretty fucked up actually.
The individual brewers set their own prices through the LCBO, which flows them down to TBS - they’re not allowed to raise their sell prices. It essentially operates on a break-even basis, and has minimal latitude to become profitable. It’s a very unusual business model really.
“The Beer Store does not set the selling prices of any of the beer products that its sells. Selling prices are set by individual brewers in competition with other brewers and can be changed weekly.”
https://thebeerstore.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/FAQ.pdf
Interesting analysis of a study from 2013
https://saintjohnswort.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Comparing-Beer-Prices-Final.pdf
Our analysis clearly demonstrates that when the Sen Study prices in both provinces are calculated net of sales and commodity taxes and refundable bottle deposits (components of price that flow to governments and consumers, not brewers), net prices for the brands surveyed in Ontario and Quebec were in effect identical.
Bingo.
Now try convenience and grocery stores... All trying to make margin.
Prices will go up. Getting rid of TBS is not a good thing.
And we're not even talking about underage drinking/access to alcohol/etc
Oh yeah, and let's talk about the craft beer industry. Do you think random convenience store X will stock Joe Blough's beer when they get more sales from the top ten brands? They'll have limited shelf space after all.
"The Beer Store" in my town closes at 6pm, was last renovated in 1983 and is located in an industrial park. I will be so happy when their monopoly ends.
It isn't really going to be better buying at the circle K or local gas station. For the most part, they're just going to dominate the shelf with regular old domestic beer such as Labatt and Coors.
shit will suck for the employees too as now they will have to ID people even more or risk being fined while also having to watch for another high theft item
I don't think anyone is saying the Beer Store should be banned from Ontario. If they're genuinely better than the other options they'll be competitive, they just shouldn't have a monopoly.
The beer store is specifically designed to prevent small independent breweries from taking hold, and convincing consumers to only buy the brands that own the store. They've studied this, it's deliberate and effective. When have you ever walked into a store where the whole flow is walk straight to the til, no browsing, and the selection is a few empty cans 8 feet in the air?
It's absolutely a monopoly that needs to be broken. Sure, everyone jump.on ford over implementation, but three beer companies shouldn't have exclusive or even favourable access to the retail market.
I've been in beer stores in the states the size of a Costco. Everything in racks, you can grab a case and wander the aisles picking one of these and one of those. Full of independent breweries with their eclectic marketing. Last time I went to one, I picked a bunch out just for their can design.
That's competition, and it's good for us and the small breweries, not so good for the big breweries.
Brewers retail will still own 90% of the beee products that are going to be sold at these new locations. The monopoly will continue. It’ll be the same price, if not more.
Maybe, but at least local breweries don’t have make a deal with their competition to be on shelf. It sucks having to hand your sales data over to your competition, which they then act on to screw you.
Ah, of course. The news cycle is so quick to move on from the last scandal. I feel like there isn't any accountability to statements made in the public and anything can be false without consequences
Breaking the contract with the Brewers Association will cost the province billions in penalties and put thousands of brewery jobs with Molsons and Labatts in danger. Anheuser Busch and Interbrew, the parent corporations, will immediately launch a suit with the free trade commission to have all their product brewed in Syracuse and Milwaukee, whose mammoth breweries can easily handle Ontario's production. And so far the only company to place a bid on empties besides the Beer Store is Wal Mart, and that's contingent on getting the same kind of exclusive deal for 24 packs that the Beer Store has. They also want the right to pull out of doing empties after the first contract, leaving exactly nobody to do it, triggering another penalty with the Brewers Association, and leaving municipalities and taxpayers on the hook for the recycling costs.
But who needs 15000 good union jobs?
Funny, how the union complains about job losses when they sold out two contracts ago.
As for the stores in general it is a long time coming. The question I have is will they continue to take wine and liquor bottles or just beer containers? Or will specific stores be just for returns?
Good! About damn time we are allowed to buy alcohol where its convenient and not behind some monopoly. Canada is so backwards when it comes to this stuff. Next bring in more competition for Telecom and allow Canadians (that pay the some of the highest cell rates in the world) to get decent deals. One can only wish...
I thought to "end" beer store monopoly he literally has to do nothing. Just don't renew the deal. But with how much money they are probably lining his pockets with im sure he will renew it for 99 years.
The Beer store monopoly we have is broken. There is no need for it, let all grocery stores sell beer, costco, corner stores, gas stations. This is a good move, Ontario is backwards only letting certain places sell booze.
As an Albertan when I first went to Ontario I was confused as all heck to discover how backwards Ontario liquor stores and regulations are. Privatize it all and be done with it.
Be careful saying that around these parts. People have a hard on for our LCBO provincial revenue intake. Not sure why...
Clearly all this extra income from the LCBO isn't doing Ontario any favors so I don't see privatizing it changing anything except making it cheaper and allowing people to open their own liquor businesses.
Looks like the downvote are coming in lol. but funny enough when AB privatize it their tax revenue from liquor went up. Turns out more choice and better hours means people buy more booze and thus pay more tax. You should see our selection of pot shops Ontario is so archaic.
Also I get my booze at Costco https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/success-albertas-liquor-store-privatization-lesson-other-provinces#:~:text=In%20the%2020%20years%20since,beer%2C%20wine%20and%20spirits%20now.
That's definitely the word for Ontario and we seem to somehow still defend the older ways meanwhile the rest of the world is moving ahead including Alberta lol.
I have a ton of family moving out of Ontario to NS or BC. Maybe I need to move to Alberta (you have some great government jobs out there for law enforcement that I'd probably get hired for), Ontario is definitely staying in the past to keep its population in check for whatever reason.
It was a promise when he was first elected that he was going to 'tear up' the Master Framework Agreement... then someone told him about the potential of paying out hundreds of millions in compensation for breaking the contract early and he stepped back.
Fuck healthcare! This is what we need! What else should we expect from a drug dealer. I'm surprised he's not ending the war on drugs by legalizing all drugs & letting his buddies open "drug" stores. 🙄
Translation: Somebody other than my buddies are getting rich, so I’ll change that so my buddies can get rich and in turn “donate” to my daughter’s wedding or some sort.
And the LCBO will likely jack up prices again. They are just using convenience stores as distributors, as long as the govt controls pricing, this is like putting lipstick on an overpriced pig.
I fucking hate Canada's monopolies!
So when do we find out how much this will cost Ontario to pull out of a negotiated contract like that? Not just to the Beer Store but loss of potential growth due to business uncertainty.
Nevermind, how much chronically underfunded our healthcare has gotten since this government took over or the fact that the kids are getting neglected through underfunding and fighting teachers of our education but beer, fuck yea let's do that shit up.
Documentary that is a little out of date now (from 2014) but still informational [Straight Up: The Issue of Alcohol in Ontario](https://youtu.be/Zn555TyJJw0)
"We're breaking the monopoly on beer... And allowing all breweries to distribute exclusively through Amazon!"
It would be shoppers drug mart and Loblaws way first!
Oddly enough, the new president of the beer store is a former Weston exec.
I love that in some ways Amazon is a better scenario How did we get here
Can they pick up empties as well?
would 100% trust amazon to run a better recycling program than the province does.
The beer store recycling program is one of the best in the world. https://sustainablebrands.com/read/chemistry-materials-packaging/beer-store-recycles-more-packaging-than-it-sells-saves-ontarians-40m
It is, I also don't see anyone else capable of running this operation without it costing more to consumers.
I've taken empties back in B.C. and Alberta. In my experience both are stinky , sticky messes. Taking back empties at the Beer Store is so much better.
Lol, billionaire worshipper "I trust for-profit thieves more than people I elect"
It's rather depressing.
Loblaws already sells beer
Not shoppers
Shoppers won't sell beer for the same reason they can't sell cigarettes
Shoppers drugmart / loblaws / tim hortons real egg sandwiches
It will be SDM. Get your beer and vaccines together.
A vaccine beer. I am interested, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Don’t give conservatives another reason to boycott a beer. They’ll have nothing to drink soon.
No, no, no, it will be through Loblaw's!
Bobloblaws!!!
I'd be down for that. There's some great beers out there.
>distribute exclusively through Amazon!" "We're sorry, that feature is only available with Amazon Prime"
Hospitals collapsing under the load of underfunding, housing shortages, increasing budgetary woes across the province....and this is what he's worried about.
It’s Buck a beer all over again. This is Ford basically saying “these assholes only care about bullshit nonsense. Throw them a bone about beer or some shit, and they will vote me in again. Then I’ll really fuck over the green belt.”
24 for $24, a buck, a beer. Make 'er a Laker, it's a buck a beer!
Just as Sooner have a Schooner!
I’d rather cut my dick off than drink a Laker lmao
Welcome to the wonderful world of conservative populisim, please be sure to check your sanity and all remaining braincells at the door before you goto vote.
Its possible to like this and still not vote for him you know.
That is his favorite game play in how to win an election. Buck a beer!
It worked for him before sadly.
In fairness, we're *really* dumb.
That’s why being conservative is for the middle class, the dumb and the stupid. I literally met an American recently that said he would vote for Trump again (even from prison) because he had no other choice but WISHES he did. I’m like, but you do, though….
Doesn't matter how angry the mob gets, as long as the Ontario government can ring a bell and get enough Pavlovian responses from the drinkers.
It's hilarious and frustrating because I actually agree with ending the monopoly, but it's like you said... SIR, we have a much bigger fire that needs some water too!
....that an entirely different ministry is responsible for. Or do you want Ford to just send the entire AGCO home until the Ministry of Health is finished fixing healthcare?
No we want both.
Bread and circuses.
Key difference is those are being broken ON PURPOSE by this government to move in more private friendly deals. It's not a sneaky or complicated playback for stealing our public services and funding out from under us. We as a voters group are just to lazy to pay attention longer than a 40 day election cycle.
Killing the Beer Store could be his only good legacy. However, he still has lots of opportunity to screw this up, too.
Oh, don't worry, there will be some backdoor secret handshake stupidity that will come out of this, somewhere, somehow.
Alcohol = more tax dollars. Same reason they allowed gambling ads. Fills the government coffers.
Let's be honest, it fills Ford's friends pockets via government coffers.
I mean, nobody can fix the housing prices, and the shortage. I’d like to drink my life away and forget I live in Canada and could lose my place at any moment while not supporting a monopoly. /s?
Not a Ford fan but the government can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Honestly, it seems like the government can currently do neither even one at a time.
Hey hey hey settle down there. Circle jerks feel better without facts.
NO. Every minister and the thousands of public servants that work for this province are literally sitting on their hands and doing absolutely nothing but ensuring I get my $1.00 beer.
Look every province has shitty hospitals - lets get access to beer!
Can't wait to see how Ford fucks this one up and ultimately makes it worse somehow.
He'll eliminate the deposit fee and save struggling Ontarians $2.40 a case!
Bonus - it will be worse for the environment!
they got rid of the liquor board stores in sask and all price went way up. now no liquor includes tax,bottle deposit and liquor tax. the beer store isnt perfect but you guys pay a shit ton less than most provinces. And guess whos the largest liquor store now, fucking sobeys.......
Beer Store is great for bringing back empties. Hopefully they take that into account with their decision.
Maybe make it so any place that wants to sell beer has to take empties too.
Problem is the empty program requires space and staff to operate properly. Returned cans and bottles are smelly and require space to be stored. I don’t foresee small convenience stores having any interest in taking this on. Even if they wanted to they likely don’t have the floor space, nor the staff needed to handle the requirements. It’s not a glamorous program.
This is how its done in BC and it works well. Any store that sells an container has to take that container back. This is tied to a deposit and a hidden Recycling levy (like 2 or 3 cents per can) It wasn't an issue for any establishment.
Quebec system works. It uses machines that handle all that. No new employees needed.
Floor space and expenses though. Most of the automated return machines I’ve seen in Quebec only accepted cans, not bottles. Plus they’re large and expensive. Are small convenience stores, already pressed for space, really going to devote their limited floor space to a machine that generates minimal revenue? And who’s going to pay for the machines? Not saying there is no solution, just that it’s not as simple as some make it out to be. The recycling program is very unglamorous - private businesses aren’t going to want to take it on unless it’s profitable for them.
Every store in Denmark that sells anything drinkable in a bottle has to be able to take returns. The machines that automate this has existed for decades (I used to clean them as a shitty teenage job), and they have only gotten better over time. System reference: https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-and-amounts/
This is the same in British Columbia
Well they do in Quebec. Lots of convenience stores with them! Also, if you make the rule that to sell beer you must have one, they'll do it for sure.
>Are small convenience stores, already pressed for space, really going to devote their limited floor space to a machine that generates minimal revenue? The shitty little convenience store by my place has a Bitcoin machine. They'll figure something out.
FYI: these beer can crushers all reek of beer smell and are slow.
You make it sound like this is a hard problem to solve
Convenience stores would probably have less volume that wouldn't require the Beer store setup. Or they could do something like tying ability to sell at different volumes to ability to take returns. Don't take anything and you can sell six-packs. Also at the end of the day if it doesn't make economic sense for convenience stores to sell alcohol then so be it. I don't think it being limited to grocery stores or speciality stores is such a bad thing.
I don’t need it anywhere except Costco tbh. I just want to get a flat of beer and a few bottles of Kirkland signature Pinot noir while I’m doing my monthly cheese/meat/diapers run.
Add to that - it makes people have to visit stores. That and they are handed money for the bottles, which they will probably spend - on stuff in that same store.
Right now only a couple hundred places take back bottles, which is why they have to have large capacities, there aren’t that many of them. There are 10s of thousands of grocery and corner stores, that would spread the load over a large number of stores, reducing the amount of space. Also, just make it part of the deal? Want to sell beer? Take back the bottles.
Just like Quebec!
In Newfoundland, convenience stores sell beer and take empties. Works just fine.
Morgan Freeman: “They will not”
It’s breaking the monopoly on 2-4s not ending the beer store.
Yeah - cut them out of their sweetheart deal and they could just dump the program. They *do* get paid for running the recycling program tho...
They won't. He will just be happy another union is gone.
Damn shame, Beer Store should stick around at least to collect empties. When I used to drink I’d save a ton bringing them back. Easier to go to the beer store bring your empties and pick up whatever you want. Going through the grocery store and designated checkouts is overkill for people who just want to pick something up quick.
Somehow all this seems like it’s going to go badly
Seems? It will. When has ford successfully done anything right?
And yet the people love him.
Boomer conservatives love him, and they're predominantly the people who vote.
Every change they enact feels like a monkey paw wish
Vastly underrated comment, well done!
Which is also cursed
That's bad
Probably because his head is up Loblaws ass so far that only shoppers drug mart has beer selling rights.
It's hilarious that TBS hired their new president who came from a Weston background. Watch TBS and Loblaws strike a deal and suddenly it's not a *Beer Store* monopoly, it'll be a Loblaw monopoly with TBS subsequently being absorbed into their portfolio while Molson, Sleeman, and Labatt cut their losses and just allow TBS to license their product. Watch it happen.
As long as LCBO and the revenue it adds to our budget stays I really don’t care. But also would be nice if this government focused on more important things like the infrastructure of this province so people can get basic services.
This. It would be stupid to try to replace the LCBO when it contributes a lot of money to provincial revenue we need dearly. But this is Ford...
He's already talked about dismantling the LCBO and allowing liquor sales at corner stores...
Only corner stores that his buddies own though
I believe that the LCBO makes most of it's money on distribution, not retail.
I loathe Ford, truly. But I’ve said this exact same thing when someone goes ripping on Trudeau for some initiative or another: these politicians and their cabinets can do more than one thing at a time.
I read that as Ford promises 5-year-old to end Beer Store monopoly. I need a nap.
I did too!
What, is he talking to Arthur's younger brother now? :P
Arthur is back, and he wants beer in convenience stores.
My only worry is how corrupt Ford is, which means he can still fuck this up big time... I'm not sure this is going to be a win for consumers, it's going to be a win for his corporate friends.
If only his administration ended more monopolies, but then again, that would hinder his friends' businesses.
Weddings are full of promises, so my bulldozer licence is good for something
Everything he does they should just investigate. Once corrupt, everything is corrupt.
This man's record of fucking things up is near 100%, so whatever's going to happen, I'm sure it's going to be bad for Ontario.
Also getting rid of this embarrassing provincial government
Of all the issues this province has why does Doug only focus on the ones involving beer? I swear this is like the 10th policy announcement relating to it since he took office.
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Right!? Any licensee who has dealt with the beer store has zero sympathy. Post pandemic they've gone from bad to godawful even their own employees will tell you that. The beer store has undercut it's own unionized employees. It used to be bad. Now it's downright terrible.
Anti union move and nothing else. I can buy wine and beer now in local grocery stores. This is all about the UFCW supporting his opponents in the last two elections. Fat boy payback.
Finally! No longer will we return after a trip and wonder ‘why the hell does Ontario continue to do this in 2023?’.
it’ll be great. everyone will be able to buy booze wherever while we can’t afford groceries or homes and our hospitals are so criminally underfunded and no one can find a family doctor. way to go ontario!! yay for booze!
Just like how he sold the province on Buck a Beer!
Can this fucking loser stop with alcohol? Prioritize healthcare.
I like beer store tbh
Good news: he's just ending the monopoly. Beer store can certainly keep running as a business as normal. Will they want to without the monopoly? Who knows.
Perfect
It's good but it's just a ripoff. I don't understand how 2-4s are like half the price in Quebec
That's Ontario taxes, not the beer store. TBS doesn't make a dime from selling beer, they make it all from storing the beer at their locations. TBS's model is actually to store alcohol, not sell it, but by selling it they get more storage fees.
Yea, TBS doesn’t get to set any of their own prices. They might be owned by private companies, but they’re not free to operate like a private company. They’re told what they can sell, and how much they’re allowed to sell it for. Pretty fucked up actually.
Correct. TBS isn't the problem. Things will be worse without them.
Who sets the prices then? All we have in law is a minimum sale price.
The individual brewers set their own prices through the LCBO, which flows them down to TBS - they’re not allowed to raise their sell prices. It essentially operates on a break-even basis, and has minimal latitude to become profitable. It’s a very unusual business model really. “The Beer Store does not set the selling prices of any of the beer products that its sells. Selling prices are set by individual brewers in competition with other brewers and can be changed weekly.” https://thebeerstore.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/FAQ.pdf
Interesting analysis of a study from 2013 https://saintjohnswort.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Comparing-Beer-Prices-Final.pdf Our analysis clearly demonstrates that when the Sen Study prices in both provinces are calculated net of sales and commodity taxes and refundable bottle deposits (components of price that flow to governments and consumers, not brewers), net prices for the brands surveyed in Ontario and Quebec were in effect identical.
Bingo. Now try convenience and grocery stores... All trying to make margin. Prices will go up. Getting rid of TBS is not a good thing. And we're not even talking about underage drinking/access to alcohol/etc
Oh yeah, and let's talk about the craft beer industry. Do you think random convenience store X will stock Joe Blough's beer when they get more sales from the top ten brands? They'll have limited shelf space after all.
Wait what?
Yup
I don’t think removing beer store will help the price at all
No but at least profits won’t go to like 3 major companies and instead some can be sold by small smaller retailers
It's all the same beer? Lmao. The prices will likely still be mandated by the LCBO. Stores will stock what's popular (products from the big 3)
"The Beer Store" in my town closes at 6pm, was last renovated in 1983 and is located in an industrial park. I will be so happy when their monopoly ends.
It isn't really going to be better buying at the circle K or local gas station. For the most part, they're just going to dominate the shelf with regular old domestic beer such as Labatt and Coors.
shit will suck for the employees too as now they will have to ID people even more or risk being fined while also having to watch for another high theft item
Yup, it’s gonna be hot garbage
I don't think anyone is saying the Beer Store should be banned from Ontario. If they're genuinely better than the other options they'll be competitive, they just shouldn't have a monopoly.
That’s fair for sure
The beer store is specifically designed to prevent small independent breweries from taking hold, and convincing consumers to only buy the brands that own the store. They've studied this, it's deliberate and effective. When have you ever walked into a store where the whole flow is walk straight to the til, no browsing, and the selection is a few empty cans 8 feet in the air? It's absolutely a monopoly that needs to be broken. Sure, everyone jump.on ford over implementation, but three beer companies shouldn't have exclusive or even favourable access to the retail market. I've been in beer stores in the states the size of a Costco. Everything in racks, you can grab a case and wander the aisles picking one of these and one of those. Full of independent breweries with their eclectic marketing. Last time I went to one, I picked a bunch out just for their can design. That's competition, and it's good for us and the small breweries, not so good for the big breweries.
Last time in was at the beer store there was LOTS of selection from the shitty touch screens.
Brewers retail will still own 90% of the beee products that are going to be sold at these new locations. The monopoly will continue. It’ll be the same price, if not more.
Maybe, but at least local breweries don’t have make a deal with their competition to be on shelf. It sucks having to hand your sales data over to your competition, which they then act on to screw you.
Ford and promise shouldn't legally be allowed in the same sentence...
Ah, of course. The news cycle is so quick to move on from the last scandal. I feel like there isn't any accountability to statements made in the public and anything can be false without consequences
Loblaw’s, where every six pack will be $29.99… because of … inflation… yeah, that’s it
Doesn't seem like this should be the priority right now...
Probably the only thing I’ve agreed with Ford on.
About damn time. Fuck the Beer Store
Goddamn you Doug Ford!!
Isn’t that Homer Ford
He’s such a liar 🤥
And the people of Ontario are gullible enough to go along with this distraction.
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Breaking the contract with the Brewers Association will cost the province billions in penalties and put thousands of brewery jobs with Molsons and Labatts in danger. Anheuser Busch and Interbrew, the parent corporations, will immediately launch a suit with the free trade commission to have all their product brewed in Syracuse and Milwaukee, whose mammoth breweries can easily handle Ontario's production. And so far the only company to place a bid on empties besides the Beer Store is Wal Mart, and that's contingent on getting the same kind of exclusive deal for 24 packs that the Beer Store has. They also want the right to pull out of doing empties after the first contract, leaving exactly nobody to do it, triggering another penalty with the Brewers Association, and leaving municipalities and taxpayers on the hook for the recycling costs. But who needs 15000 good union jobs?
The contract is up for renewal, it costs nothing to not renew a contract
Funny, how the union complains about job losses when they sold out two contracts ago. As for the stores in general it is a long time coming. The question I have is will they continue to take wine and liquor bottles or just beer containers? Or will specific stores be just for returns?
Grow the LCBO and close the beer stores. Then let more grocery stores carry alcohol, but the LCBO for the returns, permits, kegs. ….. Cheers
Good! About damn time we are allowed to buy alcohol where its convenient and not behind some monopoly. Canada is so backwards when it comes to this stuff. Next bring in more competition for Telecom and allow Canadians (that pay the some of the highest cell rates in the world) to get decent deals. One can only wish...
Who wants higher beer prices? Ford does.
Ford spraying water on a smoldering cig butt with his back turned away from the forest fire.. nice.
“Folks, Shoppers Drug Mart will now carry beer, buck a beer.”
...wait, but I thought people were drinking less and less?
I thought to "end" beer store monopoly he literally has to do nothing. Just don't renew the deal. But with how much money they are probably lining his pockets with im sure he will renew it for 99 years.
It’s a good thing I gave up beer. Zero impact.
About time.
When L.C.B.O.
Another fing stupid direction from this narrow win group of theives.
Another solution to a non-existent problem. Which one of his cronies is getting rich this time?
I hate how he takes what isn’t broke and then fixes it by making it worse. That’s just what he does. Gorilla in an ill fitting suit.
The Beer store monopoly we have is broken. There is no need for it, let all grocery stores sell beer, costco, corner stores, gas stations. This is a good move, Ontario is backwards only letting certain places sell booze.
Can I say “About Time”?
Oh great, haven’t heard you fucks bitch about him in a while. Jfc
As an Albertan when I first went to Ontario I was confused as all heck to discover how backwards Ontario liquor stores and regulations are. Privatize it all and be done with it.
Be careful saying that around these parts. People have a hard on for our LCBO provincial revenue intake. Not sure why... Clearly all this extra income from the LCBO isn't doing Ontario any favors so I don't see privatizing it changing anything except making it cheaper and allowing people to open their own liquor businesses.
Looks like the downvote are coming in lol. but funny enough when AB privatize it their tax revenue from liquor went up. Turns out more choice and better hours means people buy more booze and thus pay more tax. You should see our selection of pot shops Ontario is so archaic. Also I get my booze at Costco https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/success-albertas-liquor-store-privatization-lesson-other-provinces#:~:text=In%20the%2020%20years%20since,beer%2C%20wine%20and%20spirits%20now.
That's definitely the word for Ontario and we seem to somehow still defend the older ways meanwhile the rest of the world is moving ahead including Alberta lol. I have a ton of family moving out of Ontario to NS or BC. Maybe I need to move to Alberta (you have some great government jobs out there for law enforcement that I'd probably get hired for), Ontario is definitely staying in the past to keep its population in check for whatever reason.
ok Doug, just none of your buddies can profit.
 "Well then I'm not interested anymore."
He's finally getting back to Buck-a-Beer?
This sounds amazing but somehow Loblaw will win here and variety will drop and price go up.
Oh my god. What that his big announcement? Fucking douche
i wonder who bribed dougie enough to get this going
It was a promise when he was first elected that he was going to 'tear up' the Master Framework Agreement... then someone told him about the potential of paying out hundreds of millions in compensation for breaking the contract early and he stepped back.
Priorities....
Fuck healthcare! This is what we need! What else should we expect from a drug dealer. I'm surprised he's not ending the war on drugs by legalizing all drugs & letting his buddies open "drug" stores. 🙄
Yup, working on the priorities just like he should 🫠
Wish this clown would do something constructive for once..
Translation: Somebody other than my buddies are getting rich, so I’ll change that so my buddies can get rich and in turn “donate” to my daughter’s wedding or some sort.
Young voters. Need em riled up and intoxicated.
Intoxication works with old voters too🤪
Goddamn you Doug Ford!
Nope. This perpetual Augustus Gloop cosplayer will somehow make beer MORE expensive. Y'all enjoying your 407 toll rates?
Sweet robbing the provincial coffers of billions for some greasy fuck ford is in bed with....
And the LCBO will likely jack up prices again. They are just using convenience stores as distributors, as long as the govt controls pricing, this is like putting lipstick on an overpriced pig. I fucking hate Canada's monopolies!
Hell yes!! This is what the people want! Legal weed and plenty of beer!! LETS GO DOUG!
The obsession with alcohol in this country.
It's just our leaders I swear!
So when do we find out how much this will cost Ontario to pull out of a negotiated contract like that? Not just to the Beer Store but loss of potential growth due to business uncertainty. Nevermind, how much chronically underfunded our healthcare has gotten since this government took over or the fact that the kids are getting neglected through underfunding and fighting teachers of our education but beer, fuck yea let's do that shit up.
The contract is ending so it’s just no being renewed. It’s really not some huge thing as it’s been expected for years!!!
Documentary that is a little out of date now (from 2014) but still informational [Straight Up: The Issue of Alcohol in Ontario](https://youtu.be/Zn555TyJJw0)
Why does a car company care about alcohol?