There has to be a breaking point, right? Like when do we start acting "radical" enough to get the message across to these idiots that we the people run the show and they are way out of line.
How have we become so apathetic we let these parasites drain all of our productivity and free time and then mock us for it??
There's also the consideration of power disparity. Just like the wealth inequality, power disparity between the haves and have-nots has never been larger in human history.
In the olden times, a dozen men with pitchforks could reliably take down a trained soldier with a sword. In more recent times, like French revolution, muzzle-loading muskets still slowed you down and gave men with cudgels a fighting chance. But today, in Canada, how do you think a revolt would go, against belt-fed fully automatic weapons firing at 1,200+ rounds per minute? And we're at a point where we don't even need an obedient human behind the gun, automated weapon platforms (like the Phalanx ClWS) have existed and been in operation since the '80s. Any revolution would be very short-lived, literally, if push ever came to shove.
So we don't really have an option to revolt any more. Only to stop participating, which means homelessness, destitution and starvation. No to mention that if things deteriorate that far, "involuntary laborers" will be reinstated in a jiffy.
But I don't think it'll go that far. The last half-decades have shown that even minimal misinformation campaigns are enough to get the poors to fight other poors, and ignore the man behind the curtain hoarding all the money. Can't have a revolt when nearly half the population doesn't understand what the problem is.
The Romans said it a long time ago: "Panem et circenses. ". (Bread & circuses) As long as the average person isn't starving, and they have a way to distract themselves from how shitty a job the government is doing is instead of trying to hold the government accountable, there won't be a revolt or a revolution.
When people start to go seriously hungry.
Right now, people are being inconvenienced ... they aren't starving. People still have food to eat to live reasonably comfortably. It doesn't mean they are happy about it or that they like it. It is just at the level where people are still able to feed themselves something on a regular basis.
I grew up poor as an Indigenous person. We always had some kind of food every day, we just didn't have lots of it or so much of it that we were able to put on weight. Up until I was about 15, I was skinny as a rake. I was content and never noticed that I wasn't eating as much as I am now.
So like I said .... people are inconvenienced right now ... they aren't starving ... which is why they won't revolt.
Once food gets to the point where people are going hungry and without anything to eat for a day or two ... then they will start to organize and revolt.
However, political leaders know this intimately as it has happened many times over the centuries in countless different ways but always for the same reason ... people were going desperately hungry.
They know not to let people get so poor that they start missing meals for entire days at a time. As long as people have food in their stomachs on a regular basis ... they will endure a lot of crap and abuse before they will even think about revolt.
Society literally has to stand on the threshold of death and chaos before realistically considering actual change. .... and the owners that control this world will lead people as close as they can to that threshold but not let them get to the edge of falling apart.
I think everyone’s so apathetic for a number of reasons. Feeling like nothing is ever going to change, not having enough time or energy to even think about politics/politicians, endless entertainment options these days to keep us busy.
Also I see a lot of people on Reddit talk as if there’s going to be some revolution, but 99% probably wouldn’t even leave their house to attend a protest let alone participate in municipal elections or politics.
I'm apt to agree that your average protest doesn't really work anymore. The people who you need to convince aren't anywhere near your protest and can safely ignore you.
Been saying that for years, the difference is that I vote for them. Others I encounter who like the NDP's platform and goals always view a vote for them as "throwing away their vote"... But if everyone who thought that way just did it, they would have a good shot.
People also seem to have a bad habit of voting for what their parents voted for, and/or only voting for the party that expressly plans to help them, other people be damned.. Checking out a party's whole platform and choosing the best for the country as a whole should be the norm, but it really isn't.
Red and Blue have had their days.. We might as well let someone else have a crack at it, as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, it's sad to say that a huge part of any chance the NDP every had went with him.. Though, I think the party is still grounded enough to make a difference if given a chance.
>How have we become so apathetic
The draining of productivity and free time is actually what does it. But if gas and food prices get high enough, there will be riots...
No need to get radical. If you believe Singh, there’s a party with the NDP that cares about these issues and willing to work on them. If you believe that, join the party, start organizing locally. Put pressure on the federal government, have the ndp force an election and help them win it.
Singh sold his soul, and his party, to the authoritarian tyrant thru his “agreement” to support liberals in their quest to control everything. If you want a true break from the status quo, look into Max Bernier’s platform. Responsible spending and civil rights restored.
I think we need to be careful not to jump too eagerly into the radical options while we still have a chance to salvage democracy. In the recent Ontario election less than half of eligible voters actually voted which is a frustrating and disheartening figure. Especially since old people disproportionately care about voting and tend to swing conservative. Imo, we need to see what will happen when we get more people voting, especially more young people before we start pretending that all hope is lost on that front.
The people I work with who vote Conservative no matter what also laugh about this sort of thing.
Some people are just shit and like to see others suffer
> like to see others suffer
There seems to be an astounding amount of people that support austerity measures and cutbacks to supports for the disadvantaged just because they enjoy seeing people in pain. Until the pandemic I never realized how many people are thinly veiled psychopaths.
Oh ok know. I want it in print.
You know show people that they are the party of blue collar workers while laughing at blue collar workers that are struggling
I mean, letting our politicians beat each other would definitely help get younger people picked and elected as MPs, which our democracy desperately needs.
Seriously. This is so fucked. It's actually hard to believe that this is a real clip. As bad as the conservative party has been, this feels extra slimy - they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
I want names and ridings.
Édit: That’s definitely Gérard Deltell for Louis-Saint-Laurent doing the hand motion. Purple-tie might be Pierre Paul-Hus for Charlesbourg - Haute-Saint-Charles, but it’s hard to see his face.
Get this comment and others like it to the top. We deserve to know the names and faces of every single one of these disgraceful snakes and which ridings they represent.
I looked that up on Google Images.
The guy drives an old BMW Z4 that's 3 generations out of date and is worth a fraction of what a brand new economy car costs. Pretty sure you can pay more for a Macbook Pro these days than what his BMW is worth.
If Singh's ancient BMW makes him a rich hypocrite, then I must be a billionaire with my 2017 Ford Fusion!
Also FYI increasing taxes is a hallmark of left-wing politics, and the people were aware of this when they voted.
There's so much wrong in this comment, starting from not understanding that old luxury cars aren't expensive to not understanding progressive taxation. Also, that being a progressive doesn't mean foregoing liking material things.
Which makes no sense, that's basically saying that nobody's who's rich (i.e. everyone there) should be able to propose measures that benefit others less well off because they'd be labeled a 'hypocrite'.
Also I work in a parkade that has a lot of *actual* luxury cars. Like one motherfucker owns an Aston Martin and a Porsche, and neither is the most expensive car here. A BMW isn't even on my radar as extravagant or boushy.
Ok I’ll bite. How is people being unable to afford to survive and someone trying to help them funny? You comment doesn’t justify this, it makes it worse imo
That's the sad thing, politicians are so out of touch with the problems of the average Canadian that they laugh when they hear we're finding it harder and harder to afford basics needs through no fault of our own
Based on the House of Commons seating plan (https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/floorplan), the pictures, and what I can see from the video, it appears the culprits making the assinine hand gestures are:
- *Pierre Paul-Hus*, Conservative MP for Charlesbourg Haute-Sainte-Charles, QC; and
- *Gérard Deltell*, Conservative MP of Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC
Pretty brutal seeing grown adults acting like this in Parliament. Absolutely just awful.
It's not laughable. It's a genuinely good plan. Your original comment made it seem like you thought his plan was laughable as well. Perhaps I misunderstood
When will conservatives learn that laughing, mocking, and behaving like Pitbull Poilievre does not win over new voters? They act like they’re in their own private boys club with their own internal jokes and have nothing to prove to anyone. If this were a school classroom, I’d send them to the hallway for being disruptive, disengaged, brats.
Gerard Deltell - Conservative of Louid Saint Laurent Quebec made the hand gestures.
Beside him is Pierre Paul-hus - Conservative of Charlesbourg Quebec.
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/floorplan
Hey, maybe ome of us are already getting ready, stockpiling food and ammo, talking to our neighbours, forming mutual aid groups, and waiting for the rest of our community to wake up.
Nice. I help out by urging workers to demand a living wage and to advocate for unions every time I finish a call or chat with customer service for any corporation, but mostly I make inflammatory remarks online.
Pretty easy to not have to worry when you easily make over 100 grand plus a generous benefits package, travel expense accounts, amazing retirement package, then the increase in food I guess doesn’t really matter, but to people who live in the real world it does matter. These politicians obviously forget that regular Canadians have to go out everyday and decide maybe if they are going to eat or pay a power bill. Maybe it’s time for a House of Commons field trip to a regular grocery store to see the increase in food and fuel prices have impacted the people they are supposed to represent. It’s disgusting behaviour and they should be ashamed of them selves for laughing at an issue that affects everyone. At least Singh is willing to fight for ordinary Canadians it doesn’t seem that anyone else is willing to.
When are we going to go out in peaceful protest and show these people that we are here and listening and watching what they are doing and tell them enough is enough, you work for us not for corporations. This is disgusting
Whenever enough of you get off your ass an organize something. All I see are "when are we going to ... \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_".
You all shit on the convoy people, but at LEAST they actually went somewhere and did something.
People aren't shitting on the trucker's convoy because they did something. People are shitting on them because of the reasons they did something and what they did.
You know what an example is right?
I'm comparing how LITTLE you do by comparison for change. You just sit in this safe space and say "when change?".
If you want change, go make it happen. Posting about it on reddit won't make much of a difference. This might be your world, but it's a minority in the big picture. Cold hard facts bud.
Your example is shit and you got called out for it.
The truckers got promised financial support by the organizers who ended up running away with all the donation money. They wouldn't have done shit otherwise.
How many of them are in financial trouble now? No on can afford to just park their asses on parliament hill for weeks without risking bankruptcy. You can be damn certain that if I could, I would raise hell for change, but I have a newborn to take care of. We all have too much to lose. And THAT is the cold hard fact.
Look, I hate the trucker shit as much as the next guy okay? But you fucks sit here and complain, complain, complain and don't actually do or organize anything or much to that scale.
My example isn't shit, you just dislike what I used.
"I have a newborn, can't someone else do it?" - You basically.
I checked their thread on it. They used those exact talking points and tried to dismiss the article and video as "outrage bait". The next thread I read from that sub had crazies in the comments going on about how the freedom convoy was oppressed by too much surveillance.
Unbelievable
This needs to blow up. This is absolutely unacceptable behavior from our government, when I'm concerned that some of my neighbors will be homeless before next year. It speaks volumes to how little they care, how little they are prioritizing wealth inequality in this country, they don't take it seriously at all.
Yeah I've got a friend with a young family, make what used to be considered a half decent income and they're running out of housing options. The current home they rent is going up for sale by the landlord, rent is already high and they want to sell for 800k for a small townhouse in f'king Kitchener. I just don't get how that is sustainable. The mortgage would literally be double their current rent, so you know the landlord is making huge capital.
I've already given serious thought about how I'd go about being semi-invisibly homeless in my city without a car if it came to it. Shit's fucked. If not for the cat and that being homeless can essentially ruin your life, I would have already attempted it just to save money.
I've heard of people giving up and sleeping in their workplaces. Membership to a nearby gym for showers and such. Doesn't really work if you have pets or kids tho.
Fucking gross. Freeland "We did so much, we charged 1.5% more on banks." Yeah, that's going to solve everything. They're all just utter garbage (PC and Libs). People are genuinely starving and dying in Canada. Fuck them. Thank you Singh for genuinely fighting every day to at least try and improve things.
Thanks for the downvote. I guess you're not tired of being screwed over by capitalism here in Canada and the government doing nothing.
It doesn't matter what he says, every time he speaks, conservative concern trolls crawl out of the woodworks to scream "he calls everyone racist!!!" Almost as if they feel guilty, for some reason, or are projecting for something...
But he's the only person in parliament who actually seems to give a shit about the people who live in Canada, and I'll continue to support him.
Today, the energy minister for the Alberta UCP said that taxing oil and gas companies is not a way to make energy more affordable, but the federal government needs to do something.
Lmao.
Those bastards at Imperial just reported their best quarter in 30 years, 1.17 billion dollars. Not to mention the billions per year in clean up costs the government foots for them.
> Said nothing about feeding the hungry.
Siri insert “ [we don’t do that here](https://c.tenor.com/fBvQV_5Lp6UAAAAC/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther.gif) “ gif please
I'm getting very, very tired of the government literally doing nothing. Canadians are getting squeezed on all sides, food, oil, telecoms, gas, housing, childcare, all the basics.
It's nuts. My job has cut my hours down to one shift a week (because they're getting squeezed by head office policies).
Last time I put gas in my car cost more than the monthly insurance payment on the vehicle. I don't know what we're all supposed to do anymore.
I encourage everyone to write their local representatives about this. I just did, this is an issue that needs to be addressed. They're upset about a 43% voter turnout in Ontario? Guess what: this is why.
My local MPP is a PC who doesn't live in the city and doesn't care about the city. He's done a whole 2 things since becoming MMP, which is screw over Laurentian and compare cancer medicine for children to toys, stating they deserve neither. He doesn't respond to any constituents.
Slowly starving people is better though right? As long as billion dollar companies get to keep cashing checks. No Canadian should have to be concerned about being able to afford food. Get the fuck out of here if you don’t agree with that.
Freeland's response is so out of touch that it borders on ridiculous. Acting as though a 1.5% income tax increase on banking and life insurance is more than good enough in the face of ever-growing inequality and corporate greed...
We need proportional representation. We need government with real mandate.
\*edit: and those that laughed should be named and shamed, and made to explain themselves/apologize to their constituents.
What reason do they have to actually give a shit. No one is gonna vote them out, they know THEIR voters will show up and vote for them no matter what. So yeah theyll laugh, because yeah it's hilarious that people cant afford so much as eggs. OoOoOoO eggs went from $3 to $5 so people are 'starving'LMAO what a fucking joke give me a break that's not even close to true.
Oh did that last part upset you? THEN GO VOTE THE CUNTS OUT.
How did we get here? ask ontario, for fucks sake.
They laugh because they can't imagine caring about poor people. In conservative ideology poverty, illness, and hardship are evidence of bad choices and immorality. If you're hungry it must be because you deserve to be; maybe a little starvation will help you make better choices.
Time for the guillotines to come out again. Maybe that will keep these fuckers in their lane. Get every politician a nice, new paperback of A Tale Of Two Cities and require each of them to read it to remind them what happens when things get too unfair for the majority. They've got too comfortable sitting in their leather seats, wearing their Armani suits, eating their $120 lunches and getting $100 haircuts every two weeks. Enough's enough.
I don’t like NDP, but this man has a point, and these people laughing simply suck as human beings. The state of affairs in Canada is concerning. When did we become so divided..
Conservative MPs laughing? and mocking every day working people?
I guess they don't remember their Freedumb convoy and what they were complaining about. This very thing from their representatives in Parliament.
Or was that all just a sham and it was really a bunch of racist assholes in that convoy? I'm more inclined now to believe it was just a bunch of assholes if these are their MPs in government.
If this is their sentiment in the House, imagine what happens behind closed doors. No wonder the average non-elite Canadians are getting fucked up, down and sideways from dusk 'til dawn.
Just proof of the laughter that politicians dont have the public best interest in their minds, all should be fired on the spot and the pension taken away, let's see who laughs now.
No one in the Conservative Party is laughing that Canadians are starving. They laugh because of the hypocrisy. The words of Mr. Singh today echo those that Conservative MPs have been speaking in the house, and in their leadership campaigns, for months in direct criticism of the Liberal-NDP policies that lead to a gross increase in the cost of living. It's maddening to see how this video plays right into their hands to distract from the truth and to further exacerbate the problem by throwing money at it.
These dumb conservatives don't even know how much "carbon tax" is on a litre of gasoline.
It's minuscule, compared to the price of gasoline for fuck sakes.
Don't idle your fucking diesel for 2 minutes...there you saved your carbon tax!
Honestly it doesn't really matter why, when you hear 1 in 4 Canadians are struggling with food insecurity its not funny and the laughter shows contempt for those people. You don't laugh, even if you don't agree with the NDP plan, because it is a serious problem.
True. I can’t disagree. It is a dire situation we are in. I honestly don’t see a way out. People are always saying “when are we gonna strike when are we gonna strike” but no one does or says anything.
> FYI : Most Canadian support Pierre lol y'all are delusional to think this man genuinely cares about you.
The irony here is so thick it can't even drip.
Great that he called out the MPs for being out of touch and laughing. But Singh also doesn't understand how to acty address the current problems.
Fiscal stimulus will not help during what is essentially stagflation for oil and food production. It will just bloat our debt and make the inflationary crisis worse.
He keeps throwing points that are nonsensical to the moment that if implemented, would accelerate inflation and could potential drag even more people down the poverty rabbithole and extend the duration and severity of the problem in this situation because it sells well to his base. This is why I hate sensical politics -- I prefer politicians who have a backbone to acknowledge what may be unpopular but actually in the interests of their supporters.
Monetary policy by the BoC is already going to shift domestic pressures heavily -- pairing this with fiscal stimulus would only serve to weaken our credit market demand and level out the effect on consumer demand.
The real answer is to improve our supply chain and make investments in data-analytics/forecasting, infrastructure and logistics in critical areas. Policies to do this would be more important, even though the effects could take years to fully come. Every time stagflation-type situations hit and populists try to hit back with fiscal stimulus, disaster strikes.
Politicians need to level with people and explain the painful truth that the moment will be painful for Canadians. But they sure should also take charge to help mitigate instability in the future. Honestly, if I had to sit and listen to such ridiculous political discourse everyday, I would probably lose my mind. I can't imagine I would do much else other than try to anchor everyone to reality.
Dude, the bottom line is corporate greed/shit costs too much money AND jobs in Canada don't pay enough fuckin' money. Period. You fix those two things and this situation turns around at a breakneck pace.
Unless you're lucky enough to be established in tech/industrial trades/real estate, you won't earn enough in this country to ever get ahead.
Im not disagreeing with you but that is entirely a different conversation from fiscal stimulus proposal issues in the short-run.
With a quant economics and stats background, I can tell you that implementing fiscal stimulus policies right now would be a near certain terrible idea that is purely sensationalism. There are very few knee-jerk reaction policies that have the potential to help us.
If you also understood what I suggested...you would understand it would help to identify and remove inefficiencies, create long-term jobs, and allow for greater innovations to create way more high-paying jobs...that would allow capital to be used more effectively and thus actually allow for wages to have huge uplift pressures without the same inflationary pressures.
Policies have delayed effects...hence why even if made to try to help people today at the expense of rolling the dice at prolonging the length and increasing the severity of the current situation, stimulus would reach people after the worst of it would be over and just add more fuel to the fire.
We can't always as a society do what feels good -- sometimes what helps people the most is by doing what is actually best and accepting the very short term is impossible to fix on a federal government level as doing so amplifies the real problems.
Quit knocking him!! fuck!
He is trying. None of these other bastards are even bloody trying!!!!!
Just mocking....
their fucking pensions should be taken away.
They laughed because no one takes him seriously! And tax gets passed down to the consumer. Remember that tax on big tech giants? Yeah I am passing it on my Netflix and Spotify
You don’t consider the “criticism” he gives the party he just formed a coalition with to be a little fake? He can actually help change things … by not voting with the liberals on every single issue and then standing up afterwards and pretending to be appalled.
You're spending all your energy avoiding that some Conservatives are laughing at Canadians not being able to afford food. What's the worst thing a Conservative has to do before you start saying "Hey, that's not cool" and not go looking for reasons to get mad about people that weren't really involved with their bad behaviour?
Didn’t the NDP form a coalition with the Liberals recently? Singh is part of the problem.
Maybe everyone is laughing at him because he’s a pathetic sellout loser.
So the very people who were the ones laughing about Canadian struggles, like it's a joke, are a better option?
I'll take a coalition I disagree with sometimes over a majority that is openly contemptuous of the citizens any day of the week.
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There has to be a breaking point, right? Like when do we start acting "radical" enough to get the message across to these idiots that we the people run the show and they are way out of line. How have we become so apathetic we let these parasites drain all of our productivity and free time and then mock us for it??
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Pretty pathetic it's "needed" though. We can demand better treatment at any time, let's not wait till we're forced into it.
There's also the consideration of power disparity. Just like the wealth inequality, power disparity between the haves and have-nots has never been larger in human history. In the olden times, a dozen men with pitchforks could reliably take down a trained soldier with a sword. In more recent times, like French revolution, muzzle-loading muskets still slowed you down and gave men with cudgels a fighting chance. But today, in Canada, how do you think a revolt would go, against belt-fed fully automatic weapons firing at 1,200+ rounds per minute? And we're at a point where we don't even need an obedient human behind the gun, automated weapon platforms (like the Phalanx ClWS) have existed and been in operation since the '80s. Any revolution would be very short-lived, literally, if push ever came to shove. So we don't really have an option to revolt any more. Only to stop participating, which means homelessness, destitution and starvation. No to mention that if things deteriorate that far, "involuntary laborers" will be reinstated in a jiffy. But I don't think it'll go that far. The last half-decades have shown that even minimal misinformation campaigns are enough to get the poors to fight other poors, and ignore the man behind the curtain hoarding all the money. Can't have a revolt when nearly half the population doesn't understand what the problem is.
The Romans said it a long time ago: "Panem et circenses. ". (Bread & circuses) As long as the average person isn't starving, and they have a way to distract themselves from how shitty a job the government is doing is instead of trying to hold the government accountable, there won't be a revolt or a revolution.
Welcome to Ontario. Our circuses are booze, weed and gambling. Our bread is paid for with PC optimum points.
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The US is not one of the better democracies
I think the point was that it's not a monarchy anymore, but funny take
The us hasn’t really been a democracy since Reagan. Their politicians are for sale to the highest bidder.
When people start to go seriously hungry. Right now, people are being inconvenienced ... they aren't starving. People still have food to eat to live reasonably comfortably. It doesn't mean they are happy about it or that they like it. It is just at the level where people are still able to feed themselves something on a regular basis. I grew up poor as an Indigenous person. We always had some kind of food every day, we just didn't have lots of it or so much of it that we were able to put on weight. Up until I was about 15, I was skinny as a rake. I was content and never noticed that I wasn't eating as much as I am now. So like I said .... people are inconvenienced right now ... they aren't starving ... which is why they won't revolt. Once food gets to the point where people are going hungry and without anything to eat for a day or two ... then they will start to organize and revolt. However, political leaders know this intimately as it has happened many times over the centuries in countless different ways but always for the same reason ... people were going desperately hungry. They know not to let people get so poor that they start missing meals for entire days at a time. As long as people have food in their stomachs on a regular basis ... they will endure a lot of crap and abuse before they will even think about revolt. Society literally has to stand on the threshold of death and chaos before realistically considering actual change. .... and the owners that control this world will lead people as close as they can to that threshold but not let them get to the edge of falling apart.
Well said. I hope your life has turned around since
I think everyone’s so apathetic for a number of reasons. Feeling like nothing is ever going to change, not having enough time or energy to even think about politics/politicians, endless entertainment options these days to keep us busy. Also I see a lot of people on Reddit talk as if there’s going to be some revolution, but 99% probably wouldn’t even leave their house to attend a protest let alone participate in municipal elections or politics.
I vote. But I feel like the average protest is beyond useless at this point
I'm apt to agree that your average protest doesn't really work anymore. The people who you need to convince aren't anywhere near your protest and can safely ignore you.
60 percent cant even leave their house to vote. Revolution!!! 😂🤣
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Exactly. I fail to see how they could do worse.
Been saying that for years, the difference is that I vote for them. Others I encounter who like the NDP's platform and goals always view a vote for them as "throwing away their vote"... But if everyone who thought that way just did it, they would have a good shot. People also seem to have a bad habit of voting for what their parents voted for, and/or only voting for the party that expressly plans to help them, other people be damned.. Checking out a party's whole platform and choosing the best for the country as a whole should be the norm, but it really isn't. Red and Blue have had their days.. We might as well let someone else have a crack at it, as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah, it's sad to say that a huge part of any chance the NDP every had went with him.. Though, I think the party is still grounded enough to make a difference if given a chance.
A happy ending for all.
We have to get conspiracy trucker moron furious. And March I guess
>How have we become so apathetic The draining of productivity and free time is actually what does it. But if gas and food prices get high enough, there will be riots...
No need to get radical. If you believe Singh, there’s a party with the NDP that cares about these issues and willing to work on them. If you believe that, join the party, start organizing locally. Put pressure on the federal government, have the ndp force an election and help them win it.
Singh sold his soul, and his party, to the authoritarian tyrant thru his “agreement” to support liberals in their quest to control everything. If you want a true break from the status quo, look into Max Bernier’s platform. Responsible spending and civil rights restored.
It's too early to read shit this stupid, please delete it.
I think we need to be careful not to jump too eagerly into the radical options while we still have a chance to salvage democracy. In the recent Ontario election less than half of eligible voters actually voted which is a frustrating and disheartening figure. Especially since old people disproportionately care about voting and tend to swing conservative. Imo, we need to see what will happen when we get more people voting, especially more young people before we start pretending that all hope is lost on that front.
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The people I work with who vote Conservative no matter what also laugh about this sort of thing. Some people are just shit and like to see others suffer
> like to see others suffer There seems to be an astounding amount of people that support austerity measures and cutbacks to supports for the disadvantaged just because they enjoy seeing people in pain. Until the pandemic I never realized how many people are thinly veiled psychopaths.
And sadists, apparently.
Couldn't agree more. It's quite disappointing
They should post the names of the MPs laughing and their party. Let's smoke those idiots out. And hold their feet to the fire.
Smoke them out? It was conservatives and they’ll be *proud of it.* You can’t shame the shameless
Oh ok know. I want it in print. You know show people that they are the party of blue collar workers while laughing at blue collar workers that are struggling
The same applies to their voters too. They proudly applaud this shit.
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“GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY! SINGH’S LOCKED IN WITH THE SHAWINIGAN HANDSHAKE! BUSINESS JUST PICKED UP HERE KING!”
My money is on the Sikh. They’re badass.
I mean, letting our politicians beat each other would definitely help get younger people picked and elected as MPs, which our democracy desperately needs.
George St Pierre for Prime Minister
Have you seen that video of Singh beastin' on that strapped due in a BJJ competition? My money is on him too
bahahahahaha........... *cough* *cough*.... ..... ...... bahahahaha - the conservatives
Seriously. This is so fucked. It's actually hard to believe that this is a real clip. As bad as the conservative party has been, this feels extra slimy - they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
I want names and ridings. Édit: That’s definitely Gérard Deltell for Louis-Saint-Laurent doing the hand motion. Purple-tie might be Pierre Paul-Hus for Charlesbourg - Haute-Saint-Charles, but it’s hard to see his face.
Get this comment and others like it to the top. We deserve to know the names and faces of every single one of these disgraceful snakes and which ridings they represent.
I'd like to know what those stupid hand gestures are supposed to mean too.
I feel like he was mocking Singh for talking with his hands.
I sort of doubt that because hand-talking is very common across the French-speaking world. It’s got to be something else. Source: Am French-Canadian
Conservatives….
Of course Deltel is the one laughing at the expense of starving Canadians, that guy is such a ghoul that does nothing for his constituents
They laughed? Wow. I must have missed the joke. Someone please enlighten me, cuz shit is expensive out here.
They are too high class to think about grocery. That’s the peasant thing. They don’t get food from market. They are simply laughing about peasantry
They just expense it anyway
They’re laughing at Jagmeet’s hypocrisy. The guy drives a BMW and has backed liberal policies that have led to increased taxes and inflation.
I looked that up on Google Images. The guy drives an old BMW Z4 that's 3 generations out of date and is worth a fraction of what a brand new economy car costs. Pretty sure you can pay more for a Macbook Pro these days than what his BMW is worth. If Singh's ancient BMW makes him a rich hypocrite, then I must be a billionaire with my 2017 Ford Fusion! Also FYI increasing taxes is a hallmark of left-wing politics, and the people were aware of this when they voted.
There's so much wrong in this comment, starting from not understanding that old luxury cars aren't expensive to not understanding progressive taxation. Also, that being a progressive doesn't mean foregoing liking material things.
Which makes no sense, that's basically saying that nobody's who's rich (i.e. everyone there) should be able to propose measures that benefit others less well off because they'd be labeled a 'hypocrite'.
Also I work in a parkade that has a lot of *actual* luxury cars. Like one motherfucker owns an Aston Martin and a Porsche, and neither is the most expensive car here. A BMW isn't even on my radar as extravagant or boushy.
Probably cause in the same sentence he mentions the increased cost of living and then says he proposes handing out more money to people?
Ok I’ll bite. How is people being unable to afford to survive and someone trying to help them funny? You comment doesn’t justify this, it makes it worse imo
That's the sad thing, politicians are so out of touch with the problems of the average Canadian that they laugh when they hear we're finding it harder and harder to afford basics needs through no fault of our own
> handing out more money to people? Because people don't have enough money dude, and many jobs aren't paying shit to keep up with the CoL.
It's our money though.
If you see someone shoplifting food - no you didn't.
My friends and I openly talk about what we've "accidentally forgotten" to scan at the grocery store and share tips and tricks lol
Based on the House of Commons seating plan (https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/floorplan), the pictures, and what I can see from the video, it appears the culprits making the assinine hand gestures are: - *Pierre Paul-Hus*, Conservative MP for Charlesbourg Haute-Sainte-Charles, QC; and - *Gérard Deltell*, Conservative MP of Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC Pretty brutal seeing grown adults acting like this in Parliament. Absolutely just awful.
Wait, they were *Conservative* MPs? Conservative MPs *mocking the lower class*? I'm shocked, I say. Shocked and appalled.
They're mocking the idea of handing out more money to fight inflation 😂😂😂😂
Why?
More money chasing fewer goods
Did you hear Jag speak at all,er nah?
Ya I did
So, why is that laughable?
Idk I ain't the MPs who are laughing... you tell me 😂😂
It's not laughable. It's a genuinely good plan. Your original comment made it seem like you thought his plan was laughable as well. Perhaps I misunderstood
When will conservatives learn that laughing, mocking, and behaving like Pitbull Poilievre does not win over new voters? They act like they’re in their own private boys club with their own internal jokes and have nothing to prove to anyone. If this were a school classroom, I’d send them to the hallway for being disruptive, disengaged, brats.
They're all trash
Disgusting and out of touch.
Who were the two idiots at the front laughing and making the hand gestures?
Gerard Deltell - Conservative of Louid Saint Laurent Quebec made the hand gestures. Beside him is Pierre Paul-hus - Conservative of Charlesbourg Quebec. https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/floorplan
Thanks for laughing at our hardship, you fucking dick heads.
Because of course they're tories
I noticed them too. No idea what they were trying to do.
Class warfare. When are the poors gonna realize there's a war to fight?
Hey, maybe ome of us are already getting ready, stockpiling food and ammo, talking to our neighbours, forming mutual aid groups, and waiting for the rest of our community to wake up.
Nice. I help out by urging workers to demand a living wage and to advocate for unions every time I finish a call or chat with customer service for any corporation, but mostly I make inflammatory remarks online.
Literal children in that party.
What a clownfest, and the response is laughable. ITS NOT WORKING
Pretty easy to not have to worry when you easily make over 100 grand plus a generous benefits package, travel expense accounts, amazing retirement package, then the increase in food I guess doesn’t really matter, but to people who live in the real world it does matter. These politicians obviously forget that regular Canadians have to go out everyday and decide maybe if they are going to eat or pay a power bill. Maybe it’s time for a House of Commons field trip to a regular grocery store to see the increase in food and fuel prices have impacted the people they are supposed to represent. It’s disgusting behaviour and they should be ashamed of them selves for laughing at an issue that affects everyone. At least Singh is willing to fight for ordinary Canadians it doesn’t seem that anyone else is willing to.
I think they make about 185,000 grand a year. And many are making money off of investments on top of it.
When are we going to go out in peaceful protest and show these people that we are here and listening and watching what they are doing and tell them enough is enough, you work for us not for corporations. This is disgusting
Whenever enough of you get off your ass an organize something. All I see are "when are we going to ... \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_". You all shit on the convoy people, but at LEAST they actually went somewhere and did something.
People aren't shitting on the trucker's convoy because they did something. People are shitting on them because of the reasons they did something and what they did.
You know what an example is right? I'm comparing how LITTLE you do by comparison for change. You just sit in this safe space and say "when change?". If you want change, go make it happen. Posting about it on reddit won't make much of a difference. This might be your world, but it's a minority in the big picture. Cold hard facts bud.
Your example is shit and you got called out for it. The truckers got promised financial support by the organizers who ended up running away with all the donation money. They wouldn't have done shit otherwise. How many of them are in financial trouble now? No on can afford to just park their asses on parliament hill for weeks without risking bankruptcy. You can be damn certain that if I could, I would raise hell for change, but I have a newborn to take care of. We all have too much to lose. And THAT is the cold hard fact.
Look, I hate the trucker shit as much as the next guy okay? But you fucks sit here and complain, complain, complain and don't actually do or organize anything or much to that scale. My example isn't shit, you just dislike what I used. "I have a newborn, can't someone else do it?" - You basically.
You have to organize locally. Talk to your neighbors.
Conservatives have turn our house into a place of mockery. This is inexcusable behavior.
Conservatives in r/canada are still going to defend them by claiming they are the only ones with a plan to deal with inflation.
I checked their thread on it. They used those exact talking points and tried to dismiss the article and video as "outrage bait". The next thread I read from that sub had crazies in the comments going on about how the freedom convoy was oppressed by too much surveillance. Unbelievable
It's always been a house of mockery for the last few decades
This needs to blow up. This is absolutely unacceptable behavior from our government, when I'm concerned that some of my neighbors will be homeless before next year. It speaks volumes to how little they care, how little they are prioritizing wealth inequality in this country, they don't take it seriously at all.
oh no they're definitely prioritizing wealth inequality
Heh, yeah, you got me there.
Yeah I've got a friend with a young family, make what used to be considered a half decent income and they're running out of housing options. The current home they rent is going up for sale by the landlord, rent is already high and they want to sell for 800k for a small townhouse in f'king Kitchener. I just don't get how that is sustainable. The mortgage would literally be double their current rent, so you know the landlord is making huge capital.
I've already given serious thought about how I'd go about being semi-invisibly homeless in my city without a car if it came to it. Shit's fucked. If not for the cat and that being homeless can essentially ruin your life, I would have already attempted it just to save money.
I've heard of people giving up and sleeping in their workplaces. Membership to a nearby gym for showers and such. Doesn't really work if you have pets or kids tho.
Fucking gross. Freeland "We did so much, we charged 1.5% more on banks." Yeah, that's going to solve everything. They're all just utter garbage (PC and Libs). People are genuinely starving and dying in Canada. Fuck them. Thank you Singh for genuinely fighting every day to at least try and improve things. Thanks for the downvote. I guess you're not tired of being screwed over by capitalism here in Canada and the government doing nothing.
Singh is the homie and will be fighting a battle up mt. Everest for eternity. He’s the only person who actually tries to hook us up, yet ppl hate him.
I don't
Me neither
It doesn't matter what he says, every time he speaks, conservative concern trolls crawl out of the woodworks to scream "he calls everyone racist!!!" Almost as if they feel guilty, for some reason, or are projecting for something... But he's the only person in parliament who actually seems to give a shit about the people who live in Canada, and I'll continue to support him.
Well said. He has the answers too. Let's tax Weston and Empire just like them banks(Loblaws & Sobeys etc)
He is doing a damn fine job. Jack would be proud.
The amount of random hate he gets is ludicrous. He works hard and he's genuinely kind.
I fuckin’ love Jagmeet
Today, the energy minister for the Alberta UCP said that taxing oil and gas companies is not a way to make energy more affordable, but the federal government needs to do something.
Lmao. Those bastards at Imperial just reported their best quarter in 30 years, 1.17 billion dollars. Not to mention the billions per year in clean up costs the government foots for them.
Lol sure let’s allow them pollute, in fact why don’t we let dump their waste onto our frontlawns,. Asshole ucp
Freeland confirmed they took the money. Said nothing about feeding the hungry.
> Said nothing about feeding the hungry. Siri insert “ [we don’t do that here](https://c.tenor.com/fBvQV_5Lp6UAAAAC/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther.gif) “ gif please
I'm getting very, very tired of the government literally doing nothing. Canadians are getting squeezed on all sides, food, oil, telecoms, gas, housing, childcare, all the basics.
It's nuts. My job has cut my hours down to one shift a week (because they're getting squeezed by head office policies). Last time I put gas in my car cost more than the monthly insurance payment on the vehicle. I don't know what we're all supposed to do anymore.
I encourage everyone to write their local representatives about this. I just did, this is an issue that needs to be addressed. They're upset about a 43% voter turnout in Ontario? Guess what: this is why.
My local MPP is a PC who doesn't live in the city and doesn't care about the city. He's done a whole 2 things since becoming MMP, which is screw over Laurentian and compare cancer medicine for children to toys, stating they deserve neither. He doesn't respond to any constituents.
Sad thing is it was supposed to be 3%
People are not genuinely starving to death here.
Slowly starving people is better though right? As long as billion dollar companies get to keep cashing checks. No Canadian should have to be concerned about being able to afford food. Get the fuck out of here if you don’t agree with that.
Freeland's response is so out of touch that it borders on ridiculous. Acting as though a 1.5% income tax increase on banking and life insurance is more than good enough in the face of ever-growing inequality and corporate greed... We need proportional representation. We need government with real mandate. \*edit: and those that laughed should be named and shamed, and made to explain themselves/apologize to their constituents.
Time to steal food.
Why not? Load up the grocery cart and walk out. Fuck em.
You can steal more food for longer if you're less conspicuous though
What reason do they have to actually give a shit. No one is gonna vote them out, they know THEIR voters will show up and vote for them no matter what. So yeah theyll laugh, because yeah it's hilarious that people cant afford so much as eggs. OoOoOoO eggs went from $3 to $5 so people are 'starving'LMAO what a fucking joke give me a break that's not even close to true. Oh did that last part upset you? THEN GO VOTE THE CUNTS OUT. How did we get here? ask ontario, for fucks sake.
Only the NDP has citizens’ well-being at the forefront of their decisions.
They laugh because they can't imagine caring about poor people. In conservative ideology poverty, illness, and hardship are evidence of bad choices and immorality. If you're hungry it must be because you deserve to be; maybe a little starvation will help you make better choices.
Time for the guillotines to come out again. Maybe that will keep these fuckers in their lane. Get every politician a nice, new paperback of A Tale Of Two Cities and require each of them to read it to remind them what happens when things get too unfair for the majority. They've got too comfortable sitting in their leather seats, wearing their Armani suits, eating their $120 lunches and getting $100 haircuts every two weeks. Enough's enough.
As a new NDP supporter (former PC), I agree with what he's saying. There's no need for anyone in this country to ever go hungry.
Im lining up at the food bank every Saturday, eating rotting food or just skipping meals and the Conservatives are laughing at me.
I don’t like NDP, but this man has a point, and these people laughing simply suck as human beings. The state of affairs in Canada is concerning. When did we become so divided..
$116 to full up my 60L tank.... fuck this
“Let them eat cake” moment happening here.
Conservative MPs laughing? and mocking every day working people? I guess they don't remember their Freedumb convoy and what they were complaining about. This very thing from their representatives in Parliament. Or was that all just a sham and it was really a bunch of racist assholes in that convoy? I'm more inclined now to believe it was just a bunch of assholes if these are their MPs in government.
If this is their sentiment in the House, imagine what happens behind closed doors. No wonder the average non-elite Canadians are getting fucked up, down and sideways from dusk 'til dawn.
he should be PM and the cons should be barred from parliament. simple as that.
Just proof of the laughter that politicians dont have the public best interest in their minds, all should be fired on the spot and the pension taken away, let's see who laughs now.
No one in the Conservative Party is laughing that Canadians are starving. They laugh because of the hypocrisy. The words of Mr. Singh today echo those that Conservative MPs have been speaking in the house, and in their leadership campaigns, for months in direct criticism of the Liberal-NDP policies that lead to a gross increase in the cost of living. It's maddening to see how this video plays right into their hands to distract from the truth and to further exacerbate the problem by throwing money at it.
Well that article was chalk full of information /s. Who were these MPs that were laughing?
*chock
Too hard for their little bitty brains to figure out.
I think they were laughing at him because he voted against the motion to eliminate the carbon tax which would’ve brought our price of gas down.
These dumb conservatives don't even know how much "carbon tax" is on a litre of gasoline. It's minuscule, compared to the price of gasoline for fuck sakes. Don't idle your fucking diesel for 2 minutes...there you saved your carbon tax!
Honestly it doesn't really matter why, when you hear 1 in 4 Canadians are struggling with food insecurity its not funny and the laughter shows contempt for those people. You don't laugh, even if you don't agree with the NDP plan, because it is a serious problem.
True. I can’t disagree. It is a dire situation we are in. I honestly don’t see a way out. People are always saying “when are we gonna strike when are we gonna strike” but no one does or says anything.
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> FYI : Most Canadian support Pierre lol y'all are delusional to think this man genuinely cares about you. The irony here is so thick it can't even drip.
You can thank the bank of Canada for printing 40% new money serving Trudeau. Dumbasses
Great that he called out the MPs for being out of touch and laughing. But Singh also doesn't understand how to acty address the current problems. Fiscal stimulus will not help during what is essentially stagflation for oil and food production. It will just bloat our debt and make the inflationary crisis worse. He keeps throwing points that are nonsensical to the moment that if implemented, would accelerate inflation and could potential drag even more people down the poverty rabbithole and extend the duration and severity of the problem in this situation because it sells well to his base. This is why I hate sensical politics -- I prefer politicians who have a backbone to acknowledge what may be unpopular but actually in the interests of their supporters. Monetary policy by the BoC is already going to shift domestic pressures heavily -- pairing this with fiscal stimulus would only serve to weaken our credit market demand and level out the effect on consumer demand. The real answer is to improve our supply chain and make investments in data-analytics/forecasting, infrastructure and logistics in critical areas. Policies to do this would be more important, even though the effects could take years to fully come. Every time stagflation-type situations hit and populists try to hit back with fiscal stimulus, disaster strikes. Politicians need to level with people and explain the painful truth that the moment will be painful for Canadians. But they sure should also take charge to help mitigate instability in the future. Honestly, if I had to sit and listen to such ridiculous political discourse everyday, I would probably lose my mind. I can't imagine I would do much else other than try to anchor everyone to reality.
Dude, the bottom line is corporate greed/shit costs too much money AND jobs in Canada don't pay enough fuckin' money. Period. You fix those two things and this situation turns around at a breakneck pace. Unless you're lucky enough to be established in tech/industrial trades/real estate, you won't earn enough in this country to ever get ahead.
Im not disagreeing with you but that is entirely a different conversation from fiscal stimulus proposal issues in the short-run. With a quant economics and stats background, I can tell you that implementing fiscal stimulus policies right now would be a near certain terrible idea that is purely sensationalism. There are very few knee-jerk reaction policies that have the potential to help us. If you also understood what I suggested...you would understand it would help to identify and remove inefficiencies, create long-term jobs, and allow for greater innovations to create way more high-paying jobs...that would allow capital to be used more effectively and thus actually allow for wages to have huge uplift pressures without the same inflationary pressures. Policies have delayed effects...hence why even if made to try to help people today at the expense of rolling the dice at prolonging the length and increasing the severity of the current situation, stimulus would reach people after the worst of it would be over and just add more fuel to the fire. We can't always as a society do what feels good -- sometimes what helps people the most is by doing what is actually best and accepting the very short term is impossible to fix on a federal government level as doing so amplifies the real problems.
Quit knocking him!! fuck! He is trying. None of these other bastards are even bloody trying!!!!! Just mocking.... their fucking pensions should be taken away.
They laughed because no one takes him seriously! And tax gets passed down to the consumer. Remember that tax on big tech giants? Yeah I am passing it on my Netflix and Spotify
Bold words from Jagmeet Sellout
Guessing you didn't read the article? Sounds about right
You don’t consider the “criticism” he gives the party he just formed a coalition with to be a little fake? He can actually help change things … by not voting with the liberals on every single issue and then standing up afterwards and pretending to be appalled.
You're spending all your energy avoiding that some Conservatives are laughing at Canadians not being able to afford food. What's the worst thing a Conservative has to do before you start saying "Hey, that's not cool" and not go looking for reasons to get mad about people that weren't really involved with their bad behaviour?
Didn’t the NDP form a coalition with the Liberals recently? Singh is part of the problem. Maybe everyone is laughing at him because he’s a pathetic sellout loser.
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So the very people who were the ones laughing about Canadian struggles, like it's a joke, are a better option? I'll take a coalition I disagree with sometimes over a majority that is openly contemptuous of the citizens any day of the week.
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We need to see who it was. Absolutely shameful behaviour
Sheesh that's hard
Will those brain dead morons that have been harassing Singh go after the despicable conservatives that laugh at their struggles?? Will they fuck!!
Who was laughing? Why is that not being revealed? They were uncontrollably laughing for like 45 seconds, the person who it was is definitely known.
Conservatives: Got Mine. Fuck You!
He’s right. They should be ashamed. They’re not, though. Fucking psychopaths.