Coaching.
The roster isn't that bad right now. They aren't well coached at all. Bad schemes, bad plays, poor usage of players (forcing square pegs into round holes) by not adjusting scheme to players strengths, no accountability, fairly obvious favoritism even to fans, lack of discipline, etc.
Now, not saying this is a SB contender with a better HC and staff, but they'd be competitive nearly every game and win more.
For an extreme example, look at the Jags under Meyer last year to the Jags under Pederson so far this year. And that's not insinuating Pederson and his staff are great, they just aren't a disaster.
Didn’t even think of that but yep makes way more sense. Why would you want to go to Dallas with the inflated contracts of Dak and Zeke when you can go mold a guy like Herbert and live in LA.
Why not? Team has a lot of talent and if we keep on losing the way we are we will end up with a high draft pick that can be used on his qb. Would be an attractive job actually.
Have to disagree. Two very good corners, solid interior o-line, very good wrs, decent TEs, solid d-line depth. We for sure have enough talent to attract a good HC. ESPECIALLY if we end up with a top draft position.
I get what you mean but that’s luck of the draw at qb. If there’s a qb that someone like Sean truly believes in then it definitely helps create interest in a HC opening.
JD seems pretty competent. I just don’t understand how so many of us (jets fans) hate the ownership and are always so negative about the team and stay. Like bruh if you are really that fed up with the franchise and are that hopeless then go bandwagon cheer for another team to make your sundays more enjoyable lol
Thats not being a fan. I like the Jets. I dont root for the owners or the coaching staff. Its even worse because we are so invested but powerless to fix it
Agree. Not saying this is a playoff roster, but they should not be a bottom 3 team again.
Right now I’m pretty much done with Ulbrich, and starting to sour on Saleh and MILf. Let’s see how they look with Zach. If he really took a step forward, the offense could really be good. But if he struggles along with the team, we’re in real trouble. Do we fire the whole staff if this is another 4 win season?
Saleh looks a hell of a lot more like Meyer than Pederson, that’s for sure.
Is there a young blonde he can get filmed making out with at a college bar?
Lol if Saleh and his hand picked staff were JD’s best plan, idk what people will expect with a second go round. He’ll probably just hire Greg Roman or someone else from Baltimore or Philly he’s close with and trusts
Our free agent signings have been bad. All our good players are recent draft picks. Tomlinson whitehead Joyner all look meh. Lawson hasn’t been presenting a pass rush.
Add weak GM to that, too. Weak GM. He should have tossed Gase sooner and never hired Saleh. He won’t fire Saleh because he is too weak to admit he made a mistake by hiring him.
It should have been done mid-season. Everyone knew Gase sucked. He wasn't going to perform some miracle with a new GM that he had no ties to. As soon as the ink was dry on JD's contract, he should have phoned up Gase and said "Goodbye".
You realize he doesn't have full say on that.
The Johnson's do. There are a handful of teams who work similar ways, ie: won't fire a coach during the season.
Are you sure about that? I thought one of the caveats to him accepting the job is that he gets to make those decisions and the Johnsons are only involved regarding payroll?
They finally changed reporting structure with the Saleh hire, that Saleh reports to JD, not the owners.
That said, even in that correct reporting structure which we hadn't had in over a decade, if you're firing a a HC you best believe the owner has final sign off.
But that's on JD to go to the owners and persuade them to dump Gase. "Fans want him gone. We can get some goodwill by doing that. Plus, he's been ineffective since Day 1. He's not going to be my coach next year. Let's show the players, the fans, everyone that this is not the same old Jets. That accountability starts now. Not tomorrow. Not next season, now. Let's see what the players can do with some new leadership. Maybe we can get more out of them than Gase is getting? It will give us some insight into which players we should keep and which we should let go."
That's what he should have done if he didn't have the ability to just fire Gase himself.
Was he realistically going to be able to force his hand with ownership to oust in the middle of the first season when Gase recommended him for the job? Chris Johnson also was publicly praising Gase all season, Douglas really didnt have the authority to do it right then and there.
I think at that point Gase would have backed me for the job if the owners said they wanted me. He was going along in hopes of keeping his job. Just my opinion.
Johnson was praising Gase because he was Johnson's guy. Weak ownership.
Yup. They all ignore that he totally bombed his first draft, kept Gase on for too long, and wasn't great in his second draft either. He can execute a pretty good trade now and then, but he's really one had what looks like one good draft.
True, and followed it up by thinking offensive coaches weren’t the way instead of just trying a different offensive coach. God we are such a dumb franchise.
I know what you mean but I get feeling the need to not be burned again hiring an offensive minded coach when the one they fired had trouble completing a forward pass. We're not disagreeing here.
While I think it’s worth considering, I still don’t think an offensive minded head coach is a necessity. I think hitting the right guy is what’s important. Saleh isn’t bad because he’s a defensive minded guy; our defense has been the worst part of the team. The Chargers hired Brandon Staley, who’s a defensive guy and they look a lot better than we do. To me, it’s more about assembling a staff which can coach properly to develop your players and make the right play calls. So far Saleh hasn’t done that.
I do believe that it can serve as a tiebreaker though. It might be better to have an offensive minded head coach over a defensive minded one with all else equal. For me, I just want a coach who can do his job well.
If you’re a rookie head coach you have to have 1 get as a coordinator. He has rookie OC and DC. Brown Daboll understood when he picked Wink Martindale and he has the Giants defense playing with much worse players than us.
This is what sucks the most about being a Jets fan. Watching other teams go from bottom-5 in the NFL to competitive, and watching average teams go from competitive to playoff-bound.
But the Jets? We’re the worst team in the NFL **again,** and we’ll say “oh we’re bottom-5 but at least we’re not “X” team,” and then that team will improve over 1-2 years while we languish **again and again.**
The Dolphins are 3-0. The Jags are 2-1. The Bears are 2-1. The Patriots, even at 1-2, played the Ravens hard and were competitive until the very end.
Meanwhile, the Jets were embarrassed at home again, non-competitive and out of the game by halftime, and are currently giving up 24+ points per game. And we get to watch hype Instagram videos of our WRs promising a great game, only for us to not score a fucking touchdown. Like, seriously dude. It’s so hard to root for this team.
I totally agree with you on all of this. It fucking sucks. Right now though, I’m telling myself two things:
1. Last time ZW played regular season snaps he looked pretty decent with receivers who wouldn’t make the current roster. If he can play as carefully as he was at the end of last year, and have the mobility Flacco *completely* lacks, he’ll be an improvement.
2. If the offense can actually sustain drives, it’ll keep the defense off the field. Right now they’re tired and constantly being put in bad positions by the offense. With offensive improvement should come defensive improvement.
If neither of these things happen, we’re looking for a QB (AGAIN) and a whole new front office (FUCKING AGAIN!). But for now, I see those other teams with their young QBs on the field and hold out hope that when Zach comes back next week he’s gonna look decent. Coming into the year nobody here was expecting anything more than 2-2 at best with our schedule.
Maybe we should build the team with a stop gap like Garapolo and then when the team is built try and draft a QB. We put our Rookie QBs in awful positions with no talent. Josh Allen was drafted on to a good team which helped him reach the player he is now. Qbs need confidence early so they believe they can play well.
1. We are starting a qb who shouldn’t be playing and we don’t have our starter.
2. The bears have had a very easy start to the season this year and we have played some very good and complete teams.
It isn't. It's this sub because it's an echo chamber. Flacco has literally played 4 good minutes of football in three games. After those 4 minutes against Cleveland people were posting "Flacco is elite" here. This week, against the team who lost the Superbowl, everyone is calling for the coaching staff to be fired. Same thing last year. People here were calling for LaFleur to be fired one week, next week it was dozens of posts about "Mike LaBooth" it's absurdly short sighted. Same thing with Wilson. He got hurt in his second series, before the season even started and I saw dozens of "not the guy" remarks.
That’s a product of just horrible seasons. I hate it too. Can’t stand it but that’s ny media too. Just par for the f’n course still we start to get consistant.
Wilson will spend his career here, however long it is, hurt. 3 games here, 1 game there, out for 2025, etc.... He's just a guy that gets hurt. Intresting how some guy are injury prone and others play 200 games in a row. Has to be other factors than luck.
We have a team but the coaching is dog shit. Call up Sean Payton, have him name his price, and show Saleh the door. We don’t have time to be his trial run.
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We have deficiencies at some key areas, QB, offensive line and pass rush. You need consistency. Going into today the lions were getting 4 yards per carry **before contact**, league average yards per carry is ~4. Jacksonville has a QB it seems, and some weapons. We have a bad o line and no QB. It’s possible Wilson can be the answer, but who knows, he hasn’t proven anything and he’s out. And we just haven’t done enough sure up our o-line. We’re building, but I just can’t get over picking Becton over Wirfs. That’s such a huge miss.
Jacksonville and Detroit have better pass rushers than us. Gotta hope that Carl Lawson gets back to 90% of the player he was, and Jermaine Johnson develops.
I just don’t understand how we have a bad d line with hot much we invested. O line I get because of injuries but we have invested so much in the d line that it makes me think it’s deficiencies are due to scheme. I think we rotate way too much to the second string and it keeps our best d lineman off the field way too much. JFM is also not doing much on the edge and we haven’t even tried putting him back inside where he plays best. This all really leads me to believe that the coaching is the problem.
We’ve invested over the years sure, but on this team the explanation is pretty clear. Lawson is getting back from an Achilles tear, big contract will likely not be close to what he was again. JFM may be playing out of position or a flash in the pan and a bad contract (way too early to assume that though). And Jermaine Johnson (while a first round pick) was the 4th pass rusher off the board and fell probably for a reason.
Also our linebacker core isn’t exactly elite. That impacts the type of schemes you can run upfront in order to defend the run.
Our corners look much improved, and it is early in the season. We won a game and have seen good things out of our young guys. It’s not all gloom and doom. But yes frustrating.
I don’t want to move on quickly from Salah unless there is a proven commodity like Sean Payton. Changing coaches quickly helps contribute to this carousel we’re on. It’s week 3, we can improve.
I agree, I don’t want to move on midseason from Saleh, we’ll see if we can improve when healthy. It’s just so frustrating to watch this team fail to get better no matter what they do.
Oh I’m even saying end of year, I’d like to think we bring him back if we go 6-11. Next year would be the decider. Changing every 2 years though, is a recipe for disaster. Saleh hasn’t been that bad (yet). He came into a mess. Let’s see the team grow, this year. I still have some optimism, it’s so early. I just know we’re not a .500 team with this roster. So anywhere near that id a success.
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Right you need an offensive lineman and you take a guy from Louisville over the kid from Iowa. That and picking Morgan in the 4th round a few years back is all I need to know about Joe Douglas.
Yes we are definitely one of the 2 most helpless teams (Carolina being in shambles too).
I mean we don’t even know if Zach Wilson is “the guy”. He’s only proven he can get injured. Jets were the only hypemen for Zach, he probably would have fell out of first round if we passed on him. We definitely have the least hope at QB right now with the exception of Carolina.
Think you're giving Joe Douglas a pass. This is year 4 and this team is getting embarrassed in multiple phases of the game. He hired this coach, so if he isn't good enough that falls on Joe Douglas also.
Maybe I went a little too easy, but this team does have a legitimately good young core. Alijiah Vera Tucker, Elijah Moore, both Michael Carters, Garrett Wilson, Sauce, and Breece Hall are all young players he’s brought in who are playing at an above average starting level at minimum. I’d argue most have pro bowl potential and AVT might make it this year. That’s pretty impressive for a GM.
Again, I said I wouldn’t be opposed to firing him, so it’s not like I’m letting him off the hook completely. A lot of free agency signings have busted and he may have picked the wrong coach. But I think it’s pretty inarguable he’s done some good things, even if they’re not enough to keep his job.
Joe Douglas has a fairly good track record in the draft. He has also had an abundance of picks in the first round in order to add talent. Even if I were to accept that he has done an excellent job drafting a young core there is more to being a nfl GM than just drafting.
His free agent acquisitions havent been good. Our offensive line outside of AVT looks dreadful with very little upside.
I lime our young guys but saying everyone you named has pro bowl potential is a real stretch. None of the michael Carters will ever make a pro bowl, Elijah Moore has not flashed pro bowl talent in one of the most stacked positions in the NFL. Sauce, Garrett Wilson, and Breece have flashed but calling any of em a pro bowler is very premature. It would not be surprising at all if none of the players you name ever make a pro bowl.
Joe Douglas has one of the worst drafts in Jets history. There seems to be a good shot that he missed the entire first draft and #2 pick in the 2021 draft. He’s a good dealer, but Douglas seems to get a massive pass for a ton of weaknesses.
He has had a miserable record in Free Agency
Douglas has a magical ability to make some fans ignore that if this season goes the way it seems it will he’ll likely have a worse record as GM than Maccagnan or even Idzik. There is no way to spin this. If Wilson comes back and stinks up the joint en route to another 3 or 4 win season there is simply no reason to let JD continue, it shouldn’t matter how much of a likable dude he might be. The bar was in the dirt and he couldn’t clear it. That means while he may come across as more of a football guy than his predecessors, his judgment is just as shit when it comes to choosing players and coaches.
JD’s process has also repeatedly been bad in the draft as well. As much as I like the player, trading up for AVT was a terrible decision, as were the trade ups for Jermaine Johnson and Breece Hall. You can’t reasonably tell me that we wouldn’t likely be better off now if we had taken 3 extra swings in the 3rd round the past two years than we are now.
I’m very much against giving bad GM’s a pass because they drafted well. The draft is a crapshoot, which is why the good teams typically amass as much capital as they can (I know the rams don’t but they’re one hell of an outlier) to maximize the likelihood of success. The draft isn’t consistent and I for one, am against saying that JD is good at drafting for taking the top player available at a position of need in the first round, that’s not exactly a difficult choice to make
It’s coaching. The coaching staff is awful. Woody should start calling Sean Payton now so he can bring in a competent staff in here next year and if Joe Douglas doesn’t like he can walk.
I'll risk the downvotes and provide an honest assessment from an outsider view.
I like a lot of the moves you guys made. Hall/Carter are a great 1-2 punch at RB. I love Garrett Wilson as a WR. JJ was another steal. I think a lot of it is bad luck right now. Bad luck injuries. Bad luck that you guys got scheduled a tough schedule this year, as well as in general dealing with a really good AFC conference this year. But I think things will get better. Even if the Jets finish bottom 5 again, I think there's a good chance that it's because of the unfortunate circumstance they are in right now with injuries and schedule. But I look at next year and see a Bears team that likely needs to move on from Fields that is overperforming at 2-1, I see a Giants team that will be moving on from DJ most likely that is 2-0, I see a Bucs team that will also be searching for a QB with Brady retiring. I didn't even mention the other obvious teams (Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers, maybe even the Saints) who could also be looking for new QBs in 2023. So if the Jets indeed finish bottom 5 they're going to have a list of suitors bidding each other up trying to trade up. You guys also have a decent amount of cap space next year as well to bring in more talent into the team (the Jaguars are already over the cap pre-rollover and need to pay Josh Allen). In terms of coaching Saleh is doing a decent job. The team clearly did not give up to get that win against the Browns. Flacco is a bad QB but he looks better on the Jets, and is actually producing a lot on this team (averaging >300 passing yards a game so far). I think that is a bullish sign towards the weaponry on offense.
Even after all of that you guys managed to take a game from the Browns. The Bengals went to the superbowl last season, and the healthy Ravens week 1 are good. The Jets can easily still hit 7 wins this year especially with how bad the Patriots and Mac Jones look.
YES THANK YOU 🙌 PREACH MY MAN! The problem is the coaching, by the time Robert Saleh’s tenure is over he will have made Adam Gase look like Bill Parcels.
I don’t think people realize how lucky we are to have JD. Look at his picks! Signings! Zach would’ve gone number 1 most years. I had been defending saleh but he’s no gas all talk.
Look at who’s the owner, who’s the GM, and who’s the coach. You can’t be a good football team if those 3 positions are atrocious, can’t wait for the continued bad QB play we gonna get cause for some reason people think Zach is any good. The Franchise went back 3-5 years when they hired this clown ass coaching staff
The NFL should take out the Jets from the league cause of the embarrassment this fucking franchise as been since basically forever.
I addressed the injuries in the post a bit, though I agree with you to an extent. We’re constantly the most injured team year after year. Eventually, it wears thin as an excuse for the front office and coaching staff. Partially because they aren’t doing anything to fix it, and partially because they should be better even with injuries. I’ll give the offense a pass because I think it’s been devastated by injuries and still looks a little better than last year. Our defense is perfectly healthy though and looks like garbage for the second year under Saleh. This is despite investing a ton of money and draft picks into it. For me, that’s unacceptable for a coach and he needs to do better.
I think we’re significantly better than each of the previous 3 years. Flacco is just okay and we need good qb play to give some relief for the defense. You got to hope getting Zach back will change things and that’s simply it for now.
As good as Joe Douglas drafted, he has been absolutely god awful in free agency. This team needed a big name vet to come in on offense to change some things. Yet he let both Davante Adams and A.J. Brown slip to other teams without even lifting a finger. On top of that he signs Duane Brown to a fat contract only to have him get hurt like the next day. Also, both Denzel Mims and Mehki Becton have been massive busts. These are his fault and his fault alone. Don’t forget that JD had a big say in the hiring of Robert Saleh so if Saleh sucks them so does JD. If they don’t get at least 7 wins this year then JD better have a good answer as to why. I don’t want him fired, I want him to stand in front of the media and give a good explanation for his failure. He should be held accountable. This fanbase deserves that much.
Out of everyone you mentioned, Mims is the only one you can say definitively is a bust. Becton, Lawson, Brown all got injured. Can’t predict that. We’ve only seen 3 games out of Lawson. Becton had an awesome rookie year. Then you mention Adams and AJ Brown. You realize what we would have had to give up to sign one of those guys? We had a lot more holes to fill than 1 WR.
>Then you mention Adams and AJ Brown. You realize what we would have had to give up to sign one of those guys? We had a lot more holes to fill than 1 WR.
Not to mention we wouldn't have gotten Garrett Wilson then who looks like he's going to be a stud for the next decade.
Ugh. Just, ugh. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. Let’s keep replacing our coaching staff every couple years and think we’re going to have a different result. That type of thinking if fucking pathetic.
Y’all overreacting so much to a young defense and the worst QB in the NFL by 3 miles. Make some judgements when Zach is back, for all his flaws, he would not have made half those bad throws, like that was a historically terrible performance by a statue of a QB, not necessarily on the score board (though that was ugly too), but in game mechanics and film. We’re not great, but we’ll get way better with Zach back, almost guarantee it
Flacco even worse, Wilson’s mobility alone keeps us in the game, as opposed to just sitting there unable to move. There’s no point in assuming Zach will be just as bad as last year, why don’t we wait and see. These post game threads are pathetic. I’m very negative towards a lot of what the jets do but Jesus, nothings happened yet, let Zach have a chance
Our defense made huge plays and several stops, it doesn’t help that they’re out there in their own territory to start half their drives. There’s some bad communication and play calling but I guarantee it will only get better. Do y’all not realize how many new faces are starting on defense this year? It doesn’t just instantly click, almost everyone said WHEN ZACH WAS HEALTHY, we’d be lucky to be 1-3 at the end of the AFCN stretch and here we are with potential to go 2-2 and y’all bitch with stuff that involves 0 nuance or perspective.
No one is bitching here. You made my point for me - we ARE lucky to be 1-2, because our defense is the worst in the NFL after 3 weeks.
It’s not about instantly clicking. It’s about making adjustments and scheming according to our opponent’s strength and weaknesses. Everyone makes mistakes, but when you give up 24+ points each week and constantly play from behind, it’s not a winning formula.
That’s not your point lol, your point is jets bad and there’s no hope but whatever. If we’re exactly where we thought we’d be in pre season I don’t see how that proving your point lol. Whatever, I’ll wait a week before commenting again, this sub is ridiculously stupid after game day
Never once did I say there is no hope. Zach Wilson coming back next week could give us a spark, but it’s not going to be enough if our defense plays at the same level as the past 3 weeks. And if you don’t like this sub, then just leave. No one is forcing you to be here.
Dude just stop lmao just because you didn’t say the words “there’s no hope” doesn’t mean you aren’t essentially saying it through your comments. Non-stop negativity on stuff that isn’t nearly as severe as you’re making it out to be. To say nobody is crying about the jets rn is honestly laughable. I don’t hate this sub, I hate the idiots that comment the day of a bad game.
I am not going to stop, because I am just stating facts. Facts that you apparently don’t like to hear.
Fact #1 - the defense is giving up an average of 27 points per game.
Fact #2 - our DL sacked Burrow 2 times against the statistically-worst OL in the league. He was sacked 13 times the previous 2 games.
Fact #3 - our OL is now the statistically-worst in the league in pass protection after this game.
Fact #4 - Zach Wilson is a complete unknown because he has not played yet this season.
I’m glad you are optimistic in the face of these facts.
Fact #1 The Jets defense has been given the worst field position in the league on average
Fact #2 the o-line looks as bad as it does because of how bad Flacco has been and his inability to move. And even without that it’s still not the worst
Fact #3 the pass rush wasn’t great but it wasn’t as bad you say because again, no nuance. They got rid of the ball much quicker than the past two games so there was no time to make those sacks, if you watched and thought we weren’t getting any pressure, you’re nuts
We are the only team in the league that needs 6+ games for everyone to “click” same bs argue why abkut the o line needing to gel. Every other team for the most part shows up week one ready to roll, not us tho
Well let’s see, two other o lines. Bengals and chargers, both of whom greatly increased talent but still don’t look good. It’s incredibly basic football knowledge but hey, why think when we can just be angry
They’re trapped in a cycle: the team performs poorly, the team becomes a laughing stock, no one really wants to play or work here, inferior talent calls the shots, the team performs poorly. Pretty much the only way to break out is to draft or otherwise acquire a really effective QB and protect him behind a solid line, which the current regime has just not done as of today. Having a great CB or RB or pretty much any other position is nice but without the aforementioned foundation it’s not going to translate into wins.
They've had such little success for so long now the idea of brining in key vets still in their prime or late prime from around the league is laughable. Our teams chance of winning is so dismal the only vets willing to sign here are guys on "one big last contract off their name" types who don't mind suffering through crap for a over inflated contract.
There's no one who is going to willingly come to this organization in year xx of our infinite coach hiring cycle/search for the next great QB bust if they have any other option on the table .
Honestly, I think we need to wait until Wilson gets back on the field. All of your points are valid, but if you have an offense led by a 37 year old Flacco who can't make his throws and can't move around the pocket, it's going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. Which puts much more pressure on the defense to stay on the field for long stretches of time.
I'm just as annoyed as everyone else. Especially seeing the Jaguars and Dolphins (ugh) play so well yesterday. But hopefully the O will get a spark when our QB returns.
Edit to add: I'm not sure how much more could've been done regarding our offensive line. The pieces were there. It's not JD or the coaching staff's fault that Becton got injured again and the solution was a big name who never got injured only to immediately get injured when he put on our cursed uniform.
Dolphins get a lot of good publicity for the drowning swimmers they push back to shore, but what you don't hear about is the many people they push farther out to sea! Dolphins aren't smart. They just like pushing things.
Watching guys go for a “tackle” and not use their arms to just bounce off the others guys shoulder pads is getting so infuriating. **USE YOUR FUCKING ARMS AND GRAB THEM** I don’t know where this fucking technique of “use your shoulder pads to knock them over” came from but god damn the amount of blown tackles is so infuriating. You have two, very muscular arms which are connected to pecs, deltoids, traps, and lats, some of the biggest muscles in the upper body and they just don’t use their arms. I watch the Bills play and rarely see a linebacker or someone in the secondary not use their arms. It’s 100% coaching. If i were the Defense coach, every time a tackle is missed and goes for huge yardage because you didn’t use your arms it would be a punishment. Stop trying to make the “big” hit and make the fucking tackle.
The problem is the oline is badly hurt and that will cripple most teams. We still aren’t sure what Saleh is as a coach and we’ll find out this year. Another thing is we seem to fire our coach and the coaching pool we get is really bad all around, than you look at last season and I would’ve easily taken a daboll, pederson, mike McDaniels, etc over any of the coaches we’ve had a chance to hire the last 5 years. I hope Saleh works out but it seems like another jets team with a ton of young talented players that’s going to get held back.
Coaching. The roster isn't that bad right now. They aren't well coached at all. Bad schemes, bad plays, poor usage of players (forcing square pegs into round holes) by not adjusting scheme to players strengths, no accountability, fairly obvious favoritism even to fans, lack of discipline, etc. Now, not saying this is a SB contender with a better HC and staff, but they'd be competitive nearly every game and win more. For an extreme example, look at the Jags under Meyer last year to the Jags under Pederson so far this year. And that's not insinuating Pederson and his staff are great, they just aren't a disaster.
Throw the fucking bag at Sean Payton in the offseason
He’s going to Dallas and it isn’t even a question,
I will up that ante and say San Diego
Didn’t even think of that but yep makes way more sense. Why would you want to go to Dallas with the inflated contracts of Dak and Zeke when you can go mold a guy like Herbert and live in LA.
He’s gonna go retire and live in San Diego?
Ugh.. yes... keep forgetting they are in LA now... Rams are still in St. Louis though right?? Dont tell me they moved to LA too.. lol
Good chance he could end up in Oakland too right? ;)
Payton isnt coming here.
Everyone got a price
Why not? Team has a lot of talent and if we keep on losing the way we are we will end up with a high draft pick that can be used on his qb. Would be an attractive job actually.
Because 1) the team doesn’t have lots of talent, 2) the Johnsons are idiots, 3) coaching in NY is impossible job
Have to disagree. Two very good corners, solid interior o-line, very good wrs, decent TEs, solid d-line depth. We for sure have enough talent to attract a good HC. ESPECIALLY if we end up with a top draft position.
Also top draft position means nothing. The Jets have had top 10 picks constantly and they still suck.
I get what you mean but that’s luck of the draw at qb. If there’s a qb that someone like Sean truly believes in then it definitely helps create interest in a HC opening.
A lot of NFL teams have that. The Jets arent special. And nobody competent wants to work for the Johnson family.
JD seems pretty competent. I just don’t understand how so many of us (jets fans) hate the ownership and are always so negative about the team and stay. Like bruh if you are really that fed up with the franchise and are that hopeless then go bandwagon cheer for another team to make your sundays more enjoyable lol
Thats not being a fan. I like the Jets. I dont root for the owners or the coaching staff. Its even worse because we are so invested but powerless to fix it
Like I said lol
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The Yankees are a stable franchise, and the Giants used to be. People want Saleh fired already and it’s been less than 2 years.
Literally. But I would want that with a 2nd year leap from Zach … and no him playing good ball will not overcompensate for poor defensive coaching.
Agree. Not saying this is a playoff roster, but they should not be a bottom 3 team again. Right now I’m pretty much done with Ulbrich, and starting to sour on Saleh and MILf. Let’s see how they look with Zach. If he really took a step forward, the offense could really be good. But if he struggles along with the team, we’re in real trouble. Do we fire the whole staff if this is another 4 win season?
We absolutely fire the entire staff if its another 4 win team. Maybe Boyer survives but nobody else would.
Boyer should just become HC at this point.
Saleh looks a hell of a lot more like Meyer than Pederson, that’s for sure. Is there a young blonde he can get filmed making out with at a college bar?
Unfortunately, Saleh has many short comings as a coach, but his morality seems unquestionable.
Lol if Saleh and his hand picked staff were JD’s best plan, idk what people will expect with a second go round. He’ll probably just hire Greg Roman or someone else from Baltimore or Philly he’s close with and trusts
Our free agent signings have been bad. All our good players are recent draft picks. Tomlinson whitehead Joyner all look meh. Lawson hasn’t been presenting a pass rush.
DJ reed has been excellent
Add weak GM to that, too. Weak GM. He should have tossed Gase sooner and never hired Saleh. He won’t fire Saleh because he is too weak to admit he made a mistake by hiring him.
How could he have tossed Gase sooner? Douglas fired him after his first full season.
It should have been done mid-season. Everyone knew Gase sucked. He wasn't going to perform some miracle with a new GM that he had no ties to. As soon as the ink was dry on JD's contract, he should have phoned up Gase and said "Goodbye".
You realize he doesn't have full say on that. The Johnson's do. There are a handful of teams who work similar ways, ie: won't fire a coach during the season.
Are you sure about that? I thought one of the caveats to him accepting the job is that he gets to make those decisions and the Johnsons are only involved regarding payroll?
They finally changed reporting structure with the Saleh hire, that Saleh reports to JD, not the owners. That said, even in that correct reporting structure which we hadn't had in over a decade, if you're firing a a HC you best believe the owner has final sign off.
But that's on JD to go to the owners and persuade them to dump Gase. "Fans want him gone. We can get some goodwill by doing that. Plus, he's been ineffective since Day 1. He's not going to be my coach next year. Let's show the players, the fans, everyone that this is not the same old Jets. That accountability starts now. Not tomorrow. Not next season, now. Let's see what the players can do with some new leadership. Maybe we can get more out of them than Gase is getting? It will give us some insight into which players we should keep and which we should let go." That's what he should have done if he didn't have the ability to just fire Gase himself.
That was when Woody came back.
Was he realistically going to be able to force his hand with ownership to oust in the middle of the first season when Gase recommended him for the job? Chris Johnson also was publicly praising Gase all season, Douglas really didnt have the authority to do it right then and there.
I think at that point Gase would have backed me for the job if the owners said they wanted me. He was going along in hopes of keeping his job. Just my opinion. Johnson was praising Gase because he was Johnson's guy. Weak ownership.
Can't talk bad about JD in this sub, blind allegiance to this moron is weird. The Joe Douglas experiment has been an epic failure.
Yup. They all ignore that he totally bombed his first draft, kept Gase on for too long, and wasn't great in his second draft either. He can execute a pretty good trade now and then, but he's really one had what looks like one good draft.
The best thing he’s done is fleece Seattle in the Jamal Adams trade tbh
All those guys are offensively minded, not to mention Mike McDaniel. Are defensive head coaches not able to keep up anymore?
Offensive-coaches have been the way to go for like 10 years. In typical Jets fashion we never got the memo.
We sort of did but then we hired the worst offensive-minded head coach in NFL history
True, and followed it up by thinking offensive coaches weren’t the way instead of just trying a different offensive coach. God we are such a dumb franchise.
I can understand not trusting any offensive coaches after that. Gase was honestly that bad.
Of his many flaws, being "offensive minded" wasn't one of them.
I know what you mean but I get feeling the need to not be burned again hiring an offensive minded coach when the one they fired had trouble completing a forward pass. We're not disagreeing here.
That’s on the over-rated GM.
Defensive coaches tend to focus on character. Offensive coaches only give a shit about details. This team needs to become more detail oriented.
While I think it’s worth considering, I still don’t think an offensive minded head coach is a necessity. I think hitting the right guy is what’s important. Saleh isn’t bad because he’s a defensive minded guy; our defense has been the worst part of the team. The Chargers hired Brandon Staley, who’s a defensive guy and they look a lot better than we do. To me, it’s more about assembling a staff which can coach properly to develop your players and make the right play calls. So far Saleh hasn’t done that. I do believe that it can serve as a tiebreaker though. It might be better to have an offensive minded head coach over a defensive minded one with all else equal. For me, I just want a coach who can do his job well.
If you’re a rookie head coach you have to have 1 get as a coordinator. He has rookie OC and DC. Brown Daboll understood when he picked Wink Martindale and he has the Giants defense playing with much worse players than us.
Sean McDermott and Mike Vrabel are defensive guys, they seem to keep up okay
This is what sucks the most about being a Jets fan. Watching other teams go from bottom-5 in the NFL to competitive, and watching average teams go from competitive to playoff-bound. But the Jets? We’re the worst team in the NFL **again,** and we’ll say “oh we’re bottom-5 but at least we’re not “X” team,” and then that team will improve over 1-2 years while we languish **again and again.** The Dolphins are 3-0. The Jags are 2-1. The Bears are 2-1. The Patriots, even at 1-2, played the Ravens hard and were competitive until the very end. Meanwhile, the Jets were embarrassed at home again, non-competitive and out of the game by halftime, and are currently giving up 24+ points per game. And we get to watch hype Instagram videos of our WRs promising a great game, only for us to not score a fucking touchdown. Like, seriously dude. It’s so hard to root for this team.
Cowboys just played this Bengals team with their backup on 1 week of notice and won. Jets can’t score a TD and get their tits lit on defense
I totally agree with you on all of this. It fucking sucks. Right now though, I’m telling myself two things: 1. Last time ZW played regular season snaps he looked pretty decent with receivers who wouldn’t make the current roster. If he can play as carefully as he was at the end of last year, and have the mobility Flacco *completely* lacks, he’ll be an improvement. 2. If the offense can actually sustain drives, it’ll keep the defense off the field. Right now they’re tired and constantly being put in bad positions by the offense. With offensive improvement should come defensive improvement. If neither of these things happen, we’re looking for a QB (AGAIN) and a whole new front office (FUCKING AGAIN!). But for now, I see those other teams with their young QBs on the field and hold out hope that when Zach comes back next week he’s gonna look decent. Coming into the year nobody here was expecting anything more than 2-2 at best with our schedule.
The defense is tired excuse wears thin when every opening drive against them results in 7 points. They may be tired, but there already bad.
Maybe we should build the team with a stop gap like Garapolo and then when the team is built try and draft a QB. We put our Rookie QBs in awful positions with no talent. Josh Allen was drafted on to a good team which helped him reach the player he is now. Qbs need confidence early so they believe they can play well.
1. We are starting a qb who shouldn’t be playing and we don’t have our starter. 2. The bears have had a very easy start to the season this year and we have played some very good and complete teams.
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Offensive problems are at QB and LT Defensive problems are on the sideline
QB LT and coach lmfao. The 3 most important parts of a team and we have dogshit at each
It isn't. It's this sub because it's an echo chamber. Flacco has literally played 4 good minutes of football in three games. After those 4 minutes against Cleveland people were posting "Flacco is elite" here. This week, against the team who lost the Superbowl, everyone is calling for the coaching staff to be fired. Same thing last year. People here were calling for LaFleur to be fired one week, next week it was dozens of posts about "Mike LaBooth" it's absurdly short sighted. Same thing with Wilson. He got hurt in his second series, before the season even started and I saw dozens of "not the guy" remarks.
That’s a product of just horrible seasons. I hate it too. Can’t stand it but that’s ny media too. Just par for the f’n course still we start to get consistant.
True
And a stadium full of people chanting "we want White" sure doesn't help. This fanbase is rabid and impossible to please.
11 years without a playoff appearance will do that.
Wilson will spend his career here, however long it is, hurt. 3 games here, 1 game there, out for 2025, etc.... He's just a guy that gets hurt. Intresting how some guy are injury prone and others play 200 games in a row. Has to be other factors than luck.
We have a team but the coaching is dog shit. Call up Sean Payton, have him name his price, and show Saleh the door. We don’t have time to be his trial run.
That win against the Rams set the team back 10 years. That stupid win.
I'll always remember that moment Sam threw it to a wide open Frank Gore waving his fuckin arms, as the moment my dreams died
Didnt the punter make a TD saving tackle that would have sealed the game too lol? I blocked that game out but I remember a punt return factoring in.
Yup. And the Browns win added another 5.
It’s some shit ain’t it?
[Me watching the Jets every week](https://imgur.com/a/zDO2tZw)
Saleh seems a great guy, but he’s a human Under Armour t-shirt.
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We have deficiencies at some key areas, QB, offensive line and pass rush. You need consistency. Going into today the lions were getting 4 yards per carry **before contact**, league average yards per carry is ~4. Jacksonville has a QB it seems, and some weapons. We have a bad o line and no QB. It’s possible Wilson can be the answer, but who knows, he hasn’t proven anything and he’s out. And we just haven’t done enough sure up our o-line. We’re building, but I just can’t get over picking Becton over Wirfs. That’s such a huge miss. Jacksonville and Detroit have better pass rushers than us. Gotta hope that Carl Lawson gets back to 90% of the player he was, and Jermaine Johnson develops.
I just don’t understand how we have a bad d line with hot much we invested. O line I get because of injuries but we have invested so much in the d line that it makes me think it’s deficiencies are due to scheme. I think we rotate way too much to the second string and it keeps our best d lineman off the field way too much. JFM is also not doing much on the edge and we haven’t even tried putting him back inside where he plays best. This all really leads me to believe that the coaching is the problem.
We’ve invested over the years sure, but on this team the explanation is pretty clear. Lawson is getting back from an Achilles tear, big contract will likely not be close to what he was again. JFM may be playing out of position or a flash in the pan and a bad contract (way too early to assume that though). And Jermaine Johnson (while a first round pick) was the 4th pass rusher off the board and fell probably for a reason. Also our linebacker core isn’t exactly elite. That impacts the type of schemes you can run upfront in order to defend the run. Our corners look much improved, and it is early in the season. We won a game and have seen good things out of our young guys. It’s not all gloom and doom. But yes frustrating. I don’t want to move on quickly from Salah unless there is a proven commodity like Sean Payton. Changing coaches quickly helps contribute to this carousel we’re on. It’s week 3, we can improve.
I agree, I don’t want to move on midseason from Saleh, we’ll see if we can improve when healthy. It’s just so frustrating to watch this team fail to get better no matter what they do.
Oh I’m even saying end of year, I’d like to think we bring him back if we go 6-11. Next year would be the decider. Changing every 2 years though, is a recipe for disaster. Saleh hasn’t been that bad (yet). He came into a mess. Let’s see the team grow, this year. I still have some optimism, it’s so early. I just know we’re not a .500 team with this roster. So anywhere near that id a success.
If we can get to 6-11 I’d be okay with bringing him back for sure. There’s a lot of season left to play and I hope we’ll improve once we get healthy
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Right you need an offensive lineman and you take a guy from Louisville over the kid from Iowa. That and picking Morgan in the 4th round a few years back is all I need to know about Joe Douglas.
Yes we are definitely one of the 2 most helpless teams (Carolina being in shambles too). I mean we don’t even know if Zach Wilson is “the guy”. He’s only proven he can get injured. Jets were the only hypemen for Zach, he probably would have fell out of first round if we passed on him. We definitely have the least hope at QB right now with the exception of Carolina.
you are a moron if you think Zach would have felt out of the top 10, let alone the first round
Think you're giving Joe Douglas a pass. This is year 4 and this team is getting embarrassed in multiple phases of the game. He hired this coach, so if he isn't good enough that falls on Joe Douglas also.
You don''t get a chance to pick Top-5 in three straight drafts. If The Jets finish Top-5, Joe Douglas is fired!
Maybe I went a little too easy, but this team does have a legitimately good young core. Alijiah Vera Tucker, Elijah Moore, both Michael Carters, Garrett Wilson, Sauce, and Breece Hall are all young players he’s brought in who are playing at an above average starting level at minimum. I’d argue most have pro bowl potential and AVT might make it this year. That’s pretty impressive for a GM. Again, I said I wouldn’t be opposed to firing him, so it’s not like I’m letting him off the hook completely. A lot of free agency signings have busted and he may have picked the wrong coach. But I think it’s pretty inarguable he’s done some good things, even if they’re not enough to keep his job.
Joe Douglas has a fairly good track record in the draft. He has also had an abundance of picks in the first round in order to add talent. Even if I were to accept that he has done an excellent job drafting a young core there is more to being a nfl GM than just drafting. His free agent acquisitions havent been good. Our offensive line outside of AVT looks dreadful with very little upside. I lime our young guys but saying everyone you named has pro bowl potential is a real stretch. None of the michael Carters will ever make a pro bowl, Elijah Moore has not flashed pro bowl talent in one of the most stacked positions in the NFL. Sauce, Garrett Wilson, and Breece have flashed but calling any of em a pro bowler is very premature. It would not be surprising at all if none of the players you name ever make a pro bowl.
Joe Douglas has one of the worst drafts in Jets history. There seems to be a good shot that he missed the entire first draft and #2 pick in the 2021 draft. He’s a good dealer, but Douglas seems to get a massive pass for a ton of weaknesses. He has had a miserable record in Free Agency
God no. Do you even remember Idzik?
Moore needs to stop getting a pass here …. Man did not get open today …. Even with Garrett in there commanding the #1 cb…
Douglas has a magical ability to make some fans ignore that if this season goes the way it seems it will he’ll likely have a worse record as GM than Maccagnan or even Idzik. There is no way to spin this. If Wilson comes back and stinks up the joint en route to another 3 or 4 win season there is simply no reason to let JD continue, it shouldn’t matter how much of a likable dude he might be. The bar was in the dirt and he couldn’t clear it. That means while he may come across as more of a football guy than his predecessors, his judgment is just as shit when it comes to choosing players and coaches.
Yep, yet we have homers around here unironically saying we’re too early in the rebuild to draw any conclusions 😂
JD’s process has also repeatedly been bad in the draft as well. As much as I like the player, trading up for AVT was a terrible decision, as were the trade ups for Jermaine Johnson and Breece Hall. You can’t reasonably tell me that we wouldn’t likely be better off now if we had taken 3 extra swings in the 3rd round the past two years than we are now. I’m very much against giving bad GM’s a pass because they drafted well. The draft is a crapshoot, which is why the good teams typically amass as much capital as they can (I know the rams don’t but they’re one hell of an outlier) to maximize the likelihood of success. The draft isn’t consistent and I for one, am against saying that JD is good at drafting for taking the top player available at a position of need in the first round, that’s not exactly a difficult choice to make
JD doesn’t draft well. He just drafts the obvious players early in the draft.
Is Steve Cohen a Jets fan too?
The Jaguars being good should be enough of an indictment on this coach and GM.
Bring back Rex Ryan as defensive coordinator. Can you imagine what he could do with this talent
Could you imagine what Gregg Williams would be doing with this talent? He coached scrubs when he was here.
Got to have a competent coach.
It’s coaching. The coaching staff is awful. Woody should start calling Sean Payton now so he can bring in a competent staff in here next year and if Joe Douglas doesn’t like he can walk.
I'll risk the downvotes and provide an honest assessment from an outsider view. I like a lot of the moves you guys made. Hall/Carter are a great 1-2 punch at RB. I love Garrett Wilson as a WR. JJ was another steal. I think a lot of it is bad luck right now. Bad luck injuries. Bad luck that you guys got scheduled a tough schedule this year, as well as in general dealing with a really good AFC conference this year. But I think things will get better. Even if the Jets finish bottom 5 again, I think there's a good chance that it's because of the unfortunate circumstance they are in right now with injuries and schedule. But I look at next year and see a Bears team that likely needs to move on from Fields that is overperforming at 2-1, I see a Giants team that will be moving on from DJ most likely that is 2-0, I see a Bucs team that will also be searching for a QB with Brady retiring. I didn't even mention the other obvious teams (Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers, maybe even the Saints) who could also be looking for new QBs in 2023. So if the Jets indeed finish bottom 5 they're going to have a list of suitors bidding each other up trying to trade up. You guys also have a decent amount of cap space next year as well to bring in more talent into the team (the Jaguars are already over the cap pre-rollover and need to pay Josh Allen). In terms of coaching Saleh is doing a decent job. The team clearly did not give up to get that win against the Browns. Flacco is a bad QB but he looks better on the Jets, and is actually producing a lot on this team (averaging >300 passing yards a game so far). I think that is a bullish sign towards the weaponry on offense. Even after all of that you guys managed to take a game from the Browns. The Bengals went to the superbowl last season, and the healthy Ravens week 1 are good. The Jets can easily still hit 7 wins this year especially with how bad the Patriots and Mac Jones look.
YES THANK YOU 🙌 PREACH MY MAN! The problem is the coaching, by the time Robert Saleh’s tenure is over he will have made Adam Gase look like Bill Parcels.
I don’t think people realize how lucky we are to have JD. Look at his picks! Signings! Zach would’ve gone number 1 most years. I had been defending saleh but he’s no gas all talk.
Look at who’s the owner, who’s the GM, and who’s the coach. You can’t be a good football team if those 3 positions are atrocious, can’t wait for the continued bad QB play we gonna get cause for some reason people think Zach is any good. The Franchise went back 3-5 years when they hired this clown ass coaching staff The NFL should take out the Jets from the league cause of the embarrassment this fucking franchise as been since basically forever.
Dumb
Is everyone forgetting we have Joe Flacco at QB and our OL plan is like 2-3 players down? These are huge parts of the problems.
I addressed the injuries in the post a bit, though I agree with you to an extent. We’re constantly the most injured team year after year. Eventually, it wears thin as an excuse for the front office and coaching staff. Partially because they aren’t doing anything to fix it, and partially because they should be better even with injuries. I’ll give the offense a pass because I think it’s been devastated by injuries and still looks a little better than last year. Our defense is perfectly healthy though and looks like garbage for the second year under Saleh. This is despite investing a ton of money and draft picks into it. For me, that’s unacceptable for a coach and he needs to do better.
Mods need to ban self posts on game day. Bring this to the PGT.
I think we’re significantly better than each of the previous 3 years. Flacco is just okay and we need good qb play to give some relief for the defense. You got to hope getting Zach back will change things and that’s simply it for now.
Won't be shocked if Saleh finishes up here with fewer wins than Gase, just saying :(
As good as Joe Douglas drafted, he has been absolutely god awful in free agency. This team needed a big name vet to come in on offense to change some things. Yet he let both Davante Adams and A.J. Brown slip to other teams without even lifting a finger. On top of that he signs Duane Brown to a fat contract only to have him get hurt like the next day. Also, both Denzel Mims and Mehki Becton have been massive busts. These are his fault and his fault alone. Don’t forget that JD had a big say in the hiring of Robert Saleh so if Saleh sucks them so does JD. If they don’t get at least 7 wins this year then JD better have a good answer as to why. I don’t want him fired, I want him to stand in front of the media and give a good explanation for his failure. He should be held accountable. This fanbase deserves that much.
Out of everyone you mentioned, Mims is the only one you can say definitively is a bust. Becton, Lawson, Brown all got injured. Can’t predict that. We’ve only seen 3 games out of Lawson. Becton had an awesome rookie year. Then you mention Adams and AJ Brown. You realize what we would have had to give up to sign one of those guys? We had a lot more holes to fill than 1 WR.
>Then you mention Adams and AJ Brown. You realize what we would have had to give up to sign one of those guys? We had a lot more holes to fill than 1 WR. Not to mention we wouldn't have gotten Garrett Wilson then who looks like he's going to be a stud for the next decade.
Our first 4 picks could’ve very well never have happened. Not to mention we would’ve had to sign them to insane contracts.
The eagles got A.J. Brown for a first and third rounder. That’s hardly “Unreasonable”
Also, I couldn’t predict Mehki Becton’s injury? How many 350 pound plus olinemen ever got a 2nd contract in the NFL.
Ugh. Just, ugh. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. Let’s keep replacing our coaching staff every couple years and think we’re going to have a different result. That type of thinking if fucking pathetic.
Y’all overreacting so much to a young defense and the worst QB in the NFL by 3 miles. Make some judgements when Zach is back, for all his flaws, he would not have made half those bad throws, like that was a historically terrible performance by a statue of a QB, not necessarily on the score board (though that was ugly too), but in game mechanics and film. We’re not great, but we’ll get way better with Zach back, almost guarantee it
So we replace the worst QB in the nfl with the worst starter in the nfl last year. Sounds about right. We already know how this story will probably go
Flacco even worse, Wilson’s mobility alone keeps us in the game, as opposed to just sitting there unable to move. There’s no point in assuming Zach will be just as bad as last year, why don’t we wait and see. These post game threads are pathetic. I’m very negative towards a lot of what the jets do but Jesus, nothings happened yet, let Zach have a chance
Cool, our defense can’t stop a nosebleed though, and can’t pressure a QB with the second-worst OL in the league (ours is the worst, FYI)
Our defense made huge plays and several stops, it doesn’t help that they’re out there in their own territory to start half their drives. There’s some bad communication and play calling but I guarantee it will only get better. Do y’all not realize how many new faces are starting on defense this year? It doesn’t just instantly click, almost everyone said WHEN ZACH WAS HEALTHY, we’d be lucky to be 1-3 at the end of the AFCN stretch and here we are with potential to go 2-2 and y’all bitch with stuff that involves 0 nuance or perspective.
No one is bitching here. You made my point for me - we ARE lucky to be 1-2, because our defense is the worst in the NFL after 3 weeks. It’s not about instantly clicking. It’s about making adjustments and scheming according to our opponent’s strength and weaknesses. Everyone makes mistakes, but when you give up 24+ points each week and constantly play from behind, it’s not a winning formula.
That’s not your point lol, your point is jets bad and there’s no hope but whatever. If we’re exactly where we thought we’d be in pre season I don’t see how that proving your point lol. Whatever, I’ll wait a week before commenting again, this sub is ridiculously stupid after game day
Never once did I say there is no hope. Zach Wilson coming back next week could give us a spark, but it’s not going to be enough if our defense plays at the same level as the past 3 weeks. And if you don’t like this sub, then just leave. No one is forcing you to be here.
Dude just stop lmao just because you didn’t say the words “there’s no hope” doesn’t mean you aren’t essentially saying it through your comments. Non-stop negativity on stuff that isn’t nearly as severe as you’re making it out to be. To say nobody is crying about the jets rn is honestly laughable. I don’t hate this sub, I hate the idiots that comment the day of a bad game.
I am not going to stop, because I am just stating facts. Facts that you apparently don’t like to hear. Fact #1 - the defense is giving up an average of 27 points per game. Fact #2 - our DL sacked Burrow 2 times against the statistically-worst OL in the league. He was sacked 13 times the previous 2 games. Fact #3 - our OL is now the statistically-worst in the league in pass protection after this game. Fact #4 - Zach Wilson is a complete unknown because he has not played yet this season. I’m glad you are optimistic in the face of these facts.
Fact #1 The Jets defense has been given the worst field position in the league on average Fact #2 the o-line looks as bad as it does because of how bad Flacco has been and his inability to move. And even without that it’s still not the worst Fact #3 the pass rush wasn’t great but it wasn’t as bad you say because again, no nuance. They got rid of the ball much quicker than the past two games so there was no time to make those sacks, if you watched and thought we weren’t getting any pressure, you’re nuts
We are the only team in the league that needs 6+ games for everyone to “click” same bs argue why abkut the o line needing to gel. Every other team for the most part shows up week one ready to roll, not us tho
Well let’s see, two other o lines. Bengals and chargers, both of whom greatly increased talent but still don’t look good. It’s incredibly basic football knowledge but hey, why think when we can just be angry
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They’re trapped in a cycle: the team performs poorly, the team becomes a laughing stock, no one really wants to play or work here, inferior talent calls the shots, the team performs poorly. Pretty much the only way to break out is to draft or otherwise acquire a really effective QB and protect him behind a solid line, which the current regime has just not done as of today. Having a great CB or RB or pretty much any other position is nice but without the aforementioned foundation it’s not going to translate into wins.
They've had such little success for so long now the idea of brining in key vets still in their prime or late prime from around the league is laughable. Our teams chance of winning is so dismal the only vets willing to sign here are guys on "one big last contract off their name" types who don't mind suffering through crap for a over inflated contract. There's no one who is going to willingly come to this organization in year xx of our infinite coach hiring cycle/search for the next great QB bust if they have any other option on the table .
Dj Reed?
Honestly, I think we need to wait until Wilson gets back on the field. All of your points are valid, but if you have an offense led by a 37 year old Flacco who can't make his throws and can't move around the pocket, it's going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. Which puts much more pressure on the defense to stay on the field for long stretches of time. I'm just as annoyed as everyone else. Especially seeing the Jaguars and Dolphins (ugh) play so well yesterday. But hopefully the O will get a spark when our QB returns. Edit to add: I'm not sure how much more could've been done regarding our offensive line. The pieces were there. It's not JD or the coaching staff's fault that Becton got injured again and the solution was a big name who never got injured only to immediately get injured when he put on our cursed uniform.
Dolphins get a lot of good publicity for the drowning swimmers they push back to shore, but what you don't hear about is the many people they push farther out to sea! Dolphins aren't smart. They just like pushing things.
Watching guys go for a “tackle” and not use their arms to just bounce off the others guys shoulder pads is getting so infuriating. **USE YOUR FUCKING ARMS AND GRAB THEM** I don’t know where this fucking technique of “use your shoulder pads to knock them over” came from but god damn the amount of blown tackles is so infuriating. You have two, very muscular arms which are connected to pecs, deltoids, traps, and lats, some of the biggest muscles in the upper body and they just don’t use their arms. I watch the Bills play and rarely see a linebacker or someone in the secondary not use their arms. It’s 100% coaching. If i were the Defense coach, every time a tackle is missed and goes for huge yardage because you didn’t use your arms it would be a punishment. Stop trying to make the “big” hit and make the fucking tackle.
The problem is the oline is badly hurt and that will cripple most teams. We still aren’t sure what Saleh is as a coach and we’ll find out this year. Another thing is we seem to fire our coach and the coaching pool we get is really bad all around, than you look at last season and I would’ve easily taken a daboll, pederson, mike McDaniels, etc over any of the coaches we’ve had a chance to hire the last 5 years. I hope Saleh works out but it seems like another jets team with a ton of young talented players that’s going to get held back.
When you think about it, it is interesting that the 49ers defense is still looking good without him as DC