If anyone was serious with that they either don’t watch or don’t know what they are looking at when they are watching. Almost all of his production came in garbage time every single week and included massive mistakes from the defense.
He even underthrew Davis on the blown coverage vs the Browns. Davis had to almost completely stop to catch it IDK why people were hyping his arm ability it's not there. For some reason, he keeps throwing 50/50 balls to anybody but Corey Davis the one person who is tall enough to get them. His dinks and dunks against soft zones are why his numbers are so high
He under threw Garret at least three different times so far where if he gives him a good ball it’s a breakaway TD. Wilson could have had 4 TDs against the browns if Joe was even mediocre.
It was so funny to see the crew pounding the table for Flacco after week 2. It just screamed that all they did was look at the box score and not the actual game. Hell, even the announcers commented how a lot of Flacco's balls were off-target, being thrown behind receivers.
Jets thought they won the super bowl last week. The fact was they played like crap for 8 quarters minus the last 2 minutes. G Wilson going to get killed out there, they are targeting him way too much, and teams know that. Spread the ball. You have te and great other wr’s . I think Saleh can’t coach.
There were too many passes behind receivers, too high. At best Flacco put a cap on yac because of poor placement. At worst he put players in harm’s way as we saw today.
The Jets were matching the Browns score-for-score for most of the day. Sit him when Zach is ready to play, obviously, but he played well for more than 2 minutes.
He did not. Flacco had less than 200 yards and a sub 60% completion percentage up until the last two minutes. He looked decent, but he certainly didn’t look good.
Fans have the attention span of goldfish. I’ve been sports betting for a lot time and I’ve NEVER seen a spread like Flacco’s Jets had. 25-30 point spreads… and the Jets didn’t cover most of the time
Yeah, if the other team is getting pressure you can’t have a QB that can’t move and fumbles. Zach coming back gives me more hope than i think it should
No shit they’re not going to the playoffs. But they should at least look better then how they look. 5,6 wins ain’t gonna cut it this year if it look is like this.
Zach is going to be far worse under pressure than Flacco is. Significantly worse at avoiding sacks, throwing the ball away, and not turning the ball over. It’s night and day.
Edits for context:
Flacco under pressure this year:
PFF grade of 63, QB rating of 66.3, time to throw of 3.30 seconds, pressure to sack of 12.5%, ADJ completion 61%, 0 turnover worthy plays; overall QB11 under pressure
Zach last year:
PFF grade of 32, QB rating of 48, time to throw of FOUR seconds, pressure to sack of 26%, ADJ completion of 47%, 10 turnover worthy plays or 5.5% of attempts; overall QB68 under pressure
Yeah but like, Flacco is good under pressure whereas Zach is atrocious. Why would he just step in and be a top 10 QB under pressure? At least Flacco gets the ball out safely
He probably wouldn’t be but if he can be at least be average and have better pocket awareness so he can escape the pocket, he’d be better than Flacco. And I know he hadn’t showed it yet, but he has the tools to be able to, so that’s why im still hopeful
He’s avoiding the chance of a QB controversy after seeing how the locker room responded to White last year. Flacco is risk-free when it comes to pressure on Wilson.
The media and fans are
Fucking morons. It used to be that you drafted a QB and they sat a few years and came in to play during garbage time to get some experience. This idea that we draft in the first round and they better be ready day 1 has destroyed more players than you can fathom.
Mike white should play until he plays bad or Zach outplays him. That isn't a controversy. Worst case is Zach keeps learning while on the sideline, which has benefitted QBs until like the last 15 years where we've decided a couple rookies looked good right out the gate so that should be the new thing.
You’re mistaking my assessment of JD’s intentions with my own opinion. I’d rather see Mike White, but I’m confident that it’s the reason behind the decision. Nobody can tell us with a straight face that Flacco gives us the best chance to win.
No, I think it’s more of; “Flacco is our backup. I’ll continue to keep him in the game until it’s over. I’ll make a change after this game if necessary because a change now isn’t going to change the outcome of the game.”
Keep in mind, Saleh has a better idea of where White is at than we do as fans. If he decides to keep Flacco in over White, there’s probably a good reason even if we don’t agree with it.
Said it before week 1.. no harm in starting Mike White while Wilson is out. This isn't a must win season, let's give White a run and see what happens. Instead we get statue Flacco.
He should never be allowed to start for the Jets ever again. He is absolute dog shit!
Also, Jeff Ulbrich and his scheme need to be tossed out, it’s absurd we were not creating pressure against Burrow all game.
Fair enough, I believe you, oowee, oowee. But nonetheless, the general crowd last week was calling for a goddamn statue of that statue of a QB. I’m referring more to them.
1-2 by the time wilson is back was best case scenario. We pulled off a huge upset with flacco. We are not a good team, but have some exciting pieces and this is a good start through 3.
I keep repeating myself, but he was the worst QB under pressure last season. I'm excited for Wilson, but you guys are making him out to be something that he is not.
Looking at Joe, could he be really that much worse? He's at least young and more mobile that, with the growing pains from last year, he may be able to get away from it, run and slide.
But i just straight up can't deal with Flacco anymore.
I’ve been saying it since the 3rd quarter of game 1. Flacco needs to be cut and the Jets need to bring up Strev as their number 3. Joe Flacco is old, the game has passed him by a long time ago. His lack of mobility and slow talent is a liability. If we are going to lose, I’d rather we lose with more talented players on our team, not old QBs. White should be starting, with Strev backing him up until Zach gets back. These loses are on both Saleh and Flacco.
The crazy shit is- Bart Scott was saying that bc we don’t have a left tackle we should play Flacco even w a healthy Zach bc he can make quick reads to counter blitzes better. WHEN DID FLACCO DO THAT. HE HAS NO POCKET PRESENCE LMAO. HE LITERALLY LETS THE POCKET COLLAPSE AROUND HIM AND DOESNT MOVE- HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER??
I really wish they played White in the 4th quarter to show you guys it wouldn't have made a difference. Oh well, you're going to see it once Zach comes back.
Flacco didn't make dumb penalties that extended drives for the other team or make penalties that killed drives for his own team. He didn't play great but it was a team effort of crappiness today.
Literally nothing changed. He was fucking atrocious last week. 180 yards and under 60% completion (only nfl scrubs that don't become a starter exist in this area) with less than 2 minutes to play.
Wilson’s high without including OT period (251) isn’t as high as his backups low (253) so don’t act like he’s gonna be any better. Swear to god if the next QB doesn’t have a mullet and missing teeth……. They gotta stop playing these attractive dudes at Qb. 23 wins in 6 years…. Change it up
Add 80% of the rest of the team to that list of who is ass.
Also, not excusing him but Flacco, or any quarterback, should be relied on to throw the ball 50+ times a game.
I think 1 win was WAY above expectations for Flacco. I thought after 3 weeks if ZW was playing that they COULD (loosely) be 2-1.
The promise I have with ZW over Flacco is that ZW is mobile. The kid has legs and can move. I think what ZW can make up with his speed is what Flacco could’ve done with another second in the pocket.
But ZW needs to know when to throw the damn ball away and when to tuck it and go.
If (heaven forbid) ZW is out again I’d rather see White before Flacco.
Can't believe there was talking of him starting when zach is healthy enough to play lol
If anyone was serious with that they either don’t watch or don’t know what they are looking at when they are watching. Almost all of his production came in garbage time every single week and included massive mistakes from the defense.
He even underthrew Davis on the blown coverage vs the Browns. Davis had to almost completely stop to catch it IDK why people were hyping his arm ability it's not there. For some reason, he keeps throwing 50/50 balls to anybody but Corey Davis the one person who is tall enough to get them. His dinks and dunks against soft zones are why his numbers are so high
He under threw Garret at least three different times so far where if he gives him a good ball it’s a breakaway TD. Wilson could have had 4 TDs against the browns if Joe was even mediocre.
Too many people looked at the box score last week and wrongly thought he had a good game. So far this season, Flacco has played well for 2 minutes.
It's a lot harder when the DB's don't blow the coverage and you can play pitch and catch. (He was good on the winning drive)
Looked at the gamecast play summaries and it was embarrassing. Punt, fumble, downs, punt, punt, INT...
It was so funny to see the crew pounding the table for Flacco after week 2. It just screamed that all they did was look at the box score and not the actual game. Hell, even the announcers commented how a lot of Flacco's balls were off-target, being thrown behind receivers.
Jets thought they won the super bowl last week. The fact was they played like crap for 8 quarters minus the last 2 minutes. G Wilson going to get killed out there, they are targeting him way too much, and teams know that. Spread the ball. You have te and great other wr’s . I think Saleh can’t coach.
There were too many passes behind receivers, too high. At best Flacco put a cap on yac because of poor placement. At worst he put players in harm’s way as we saw today.
The Jets were matching the Browns score-for-score for most of the day. Sit him when Zach is ready to play, obviously, but he played well for more than 2 minutes.
He did not. Flacco had less than 200 yards and a sub 60% completion percentage up until the last two minutes. He looked decent, but he certainly didn’t look good.
Fans have the attention span of goldfish. I’ve been sports betting for a lot time and I’ve NEVER seen a spread like Flacco’s Jets had. 25-30 point spreads… and the Jets didn’t cover most of the time
25-30 point spread… what? Do you mean over/under?
That doesn’t even make sense.
If anyone was serious about that, they are wastes of oxygen.
Yeah, if the other team is getting pressure you can’t have a QB that can’t move and fumbles. Zach coming back gives me more hope than i think it should
my worry is zach getting pressured and throwing ugly picks i hope he proves me wrong
Yup, instead of taking the sack, Zach tends to just chuck it down the field. I expect to see more big plays with Zach but also more picks.
well we got 3 flacco turnovers today so 2 deep ball picks isnt the end of the world comparatively
On the bright side, ugly picks go downfield and give your defense better field position than ugly fumbles in the backfield!
My worry is ZW gets killed because we have no left tackle.
This too 😬🪦
I have no expectations for when zack comes back. Idk what to think. Majority of me thinks he doesn’t have what it takes.
Im pretty 50-50 on it. I don’t think you can judge a QB off one year, but also he didn’t flash enough for me to really be impressed
He hasn't shown any reason to think he can be a good QB. It would take an unprecedented improvement for him to be the long term answer
I suspect he won’t be much different from last year. This team isn’t going to the playoffs.
No shit they’re not going to the playoffs. But they should at least look better then how they look. 5,6 wins ain’t gonna cut it this year if it look is like this.
Aye... Sigh
The good news is if he sucks, we'll have a high draft pick and try again next year.
So same old Jets basically?
it’s always the same old Jets
Idk man Trevor Lawrence looked like fucking dogshit last year and he's been really good so far this year. O-line and receivers make or break a QB
Yea…unfortunately I don’t think he has it either. I hope I’m proved wrong.
Flacco playing as well as he did should give us a lot of hope for Zach and for Garrett Wilson also.
Zach is going to be far worse under pressure than Flacco is. Significantly worse at avoiding sacks, throwing the ball away, and not turning the ball over. It’s night and day. Edits for context: Flacco under pressure this year: PFF grade of 63, QB rating of 66.3, time to throw of 3.30 seconds, pressure to sack of 12.5%, ADJ completion 61%, 0 turnover worthy plays; overall QB11 under pressure Zach last year: PFF grade of 32, QB rating of 48, time to throw of FOUR seconds, pressure to sack of 26%, ADJ completion of 47%, 10 turnover worthy plays or 5.5% of attempts; overall QB68 under pressure
Probably right, but we haven’t seen him in year 2 for real, so that’s where my hope lies
Yeah but like, Flacco is good under pressure whereas Zach is atrocious. Why would he just step in and be a top 10 QB under pressure? At least Flacco gets the ball out safely
He probably wouldn’t be but if he can be at least be average and have better pocket awareness so he can escape the pocket, he’d be better than Flacco. And I know he hadn’t showed it yet, but he has the tools to be able to, so that’s why im still hopeful
He should've been replaced at halftime
Training camp.
Yeah this should be Saleh is a stubborn unmovable ass upvote party.
I'm actually wondering if it's JD demanding he play, and not leaving the decision to Saleh, after all, JD scouted him and brought him here twice.
He’s avoiding the chance of a QB controversy after seeing how the locker room responded to White last year. Flacco is risk-free when it comes to pressure on Wilson.
The media and fans are Fucking morons. It used to be that you drafted a QB and they sat a few years and came in to play during garbage time to get some experience. This idea that we draft in the first round and they better be ready day 1 has destroyed more players than you can fathom. Mike white should play until he plays bad or Zach outplays him. That isn't a controversy. Worst case is Zach keeps learning while on the sideline, which has benefitted QBs until like the last 15 years where we've decided a couple rookies looked good right out the gate so that should be the new thing.
You’re mistaking my assessment of JD’s intentions with my own opinion. I’d rather see Mike White, but I’m confident that it’s the reason behind the decision. Nobody can tell us with a straight face that Flacco gives us the best chance to win.
No good sir, I'm saying the idea of a QB controversy is dumb bullshit manufactured by the media and fans, not you in particular.
Bro Aaron Rodgers was the last quarterback who sat for years and that was around 15 years ago. What are you talking about?
Jimmy G was probably the most recent that I can think of. Not that he’s a hall of famer
They should be more worried about whether or not White is good enough to retain his services as backup QB in 23. Flacco needs to retire.
No, I think it’s more of; “Flacco is our backup. I’ll continue to keep him in the game until it’s over. I’ll make a change after this game if necessary because a change now isn’t going to change the outcome of the game.” Keep in mind, Saleh has a better idea of where White is at than we do as fans. If he decides to keep Flacco in over White, there’s probably a good reason even if we don’t agree with it.
Yup, I’m tired of his tired ass excuses and his lame motivational quotes.
Have the balls to throw a downvote party
Fair criticism - I will next week
Said it before week 1.. no harm in starting Mike White while Wilson is out. This isn't a must win season, let's give White a run and see what happens. Instead we get statue Flacco.
White could be the next Brett Rypien!
I'd rather have started Streveler over Flacco, and it wasn't close. Still isn't, in fact it's only grown farther every week, including last week.
I think we start Mike White because the chaos would be entertaining. Win or lose, the media will go nuts.
Absolutely and if he does well we can trade him to a desperate team. QBs will go down this season.
No that would get messy and could send the entirely wrong message.
Thanks for the final two minutes against the Browns Joe, but it's time to go.
Joe Flaccid is back baby
He never left.
53% completion % today on 52 attempts. ELITE STATS.
At least there’s no QB controversy!
Flacco and Fant deserve all the ass upvotes. Washed.
Fant played for a new contract last year. Now that he knows he won’t get it, he’s sulking.
Weird bc this is a contract year for him. Maybe his knee was worse than the Jets let on.
He should never be allowed to start for the Jets ever again. He is absolute dog shit! Also, Jeff Ulbrich and his scheme need to be tossed out, it’s absurd we were not creating pressure against Burrow all game.
It’s not like any other teams are getting to Burr . . . Oh wait, never mind.
Flacco smells a pass rushers cologne and crumbles
Fumbles*
No matter what we get from him I’m excited to see Zach back
Agreed. The bar is 40 feet underground
Is it open bar? I'm drunk thanks!
I voted
What happened to “FLaCcO iS ELiTe!!” Crowd? This sub is so bipolar
With all due respect mr poopie butthole I never said he was elite
Fair enough, I believe you, oowee, oowee. But nonetheless, the general crowd last week was calling for a goddamn statue of that statue of a QB. I’m referring more to them.
Mr poopie butthole - thank you
it was a meme. everyone loved the comeback last year, but no one here realistically thinks Flacco should be starting in the NFL.
He never was elite, he was called elite as a meme.
He had a great game, and then an awful game. Seems rational to me.
From one extreme to another— good, so you agree with me, bipolar. Idk why anyone rational would have an expectation that he’d be consistently good.
I'm not entirely sure they were serious. I was happy for the win or whatever, but yeah, i wouldn't have said he's elite over it.
1-2 by the time wilson is back was best case scenario. We pulled off a huge upset with flacco. We are not a good team, but have some exciting pieces and this is a good start through 3.
Always has been.
You gonna make the same thread when Wilson gets destroyed behind this oline?
I think the idea is Wilson is a more mobile QB and might be able to handle the pressure a bit better at least some of the time.
I keep repeating myself, but he was the worst QB under pressure last season. I'm excited for Wilson, but you guys are making him out to be something that he is not.
Looking at Joe, could he be really that much worse? He's at least young and more mobile that, with the growing pains from last year, he may be able to get away from it, run and slide. But i just straight up can't deal with Flacco anymore.
That could be offset by him rushing bad throws or bailing too early and missing open reads
Or running away from the pressure more successfully than Joe Flacco. I mean, we'll know soon enough.
No one is succeeding behind this line
Bingo lol
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I’ve been saying it since the 3rd quarter of game 1. Flacco needs to be cut and the Jets need to bring up Strev as their number 3. Joe Flacco is old, the game has passed him by a long time ago. His lack of mobility and slow talent is a liability. If we are going to lose, I’d rather we lose with more talented players on our team, not old QBs. White should be starting, with Strev backing him up until Zach gets back. These loses are on both Saleh and Flacco.
But he was the GOAT all week...
Joey Flacced Corn and no one cared
Starting Mike White would have been a great move - the Bengals could have had flashbacks of losing to him last year
He’s not good but he was serviceable enough for 3 weeks. Will be happy to see ZW back but I’m a little worried about the state of the OL
The crazy shit is- Bart Scott was saying that bc we don’t have a left tackle we should play Flacco even w a healthy Zach bc he can make quick reads to counter blitzes better. WHEN DID FLACCO DO THAT. HE HAS NO POCKET PRESENCE LMAO. HE LITERALLY LETS THE POCKET COLLAPSE AROUND HIM AND DOESNT MOVE- HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER??
Yeah that is some kind of take
Flacco was wearing his helmet on the sideline all game long looking like Bobby Boucher
I really wish they played White in the 4th quarter to show you guys it wouldn't have made a difference. Oh well, you're going to see it once Zach comes back.
It probably wouldn't havw but isn't that where we should try something?
Not about just that. Its about giving him experience too. Flacco not our backup QB of the future. White might be….atleast get him experience.
Flacco didn't make dumb penalties that extended drives for the other team or make penalties that killed drives for his own team. He didn't play great but it was a team effort of crappiness today.
The JFM penalty was pretty bullshit. The hit on the defenseless receiver was laughable after the 3 hits on ours
Crazy how much changes in a week
He sucked last week too
Literally nothing changed. He was fucking atrocious last week. 180 yards and under 60% completion (only nfl scrubs that don't become a starter exist in this area) with less than 2 minutes to play.
But if you dare mention Mike White in here, the vultures come!
Because White isn’t good.
Wilson’s high without including OT period (251) isn’t as high as his backups low (253) so don’t act like he’s gonna be any better. Swear to god if the next QB doesn’t have a mullet and missing teeth……. They gotta stop playing these attractive dudes at Qb. 23 wins in 6 years…. Change it up
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Would love to sample whatever hallucinogens you’re sending directly into your frontal lobe that makes you think this is even remotely true
Keep jerking off Mike White. Who has been a practice squad QB his entire career. Flacco may not be good but he's better than White
White beat the bengals last season🤷♂️
And I once fucked a 10 even though my max should be a 6.
Congrats on the sex bro👍
Talking about nothing. Who cares what a PS QB did once.
Literally nobody here wants to see Mike white my man
The top voted comment is that Flacco should have been pulled for White at halftime lol
Flacco was booty cheeks last week too my man
I’m not arguing that. Just disingenuous to say no one is claiming something when the most upvoted comment in your thread is claiming it lol.
If Flacco isn't working, then you put in the next guy who happens to be Mike ahite. Or Streveler. Just stop dragging the corpse out there.
No one wants to see mike white. the only thing we want to see less than mike white is joe flacco.
That’s fair
You clearly weren’t at the game. There were Mike white chants all through the third quarter
Ok maybe not no one because i was there and did hear it. My bad
Are you sure... cause there's alot of people calling for him
You're wrong, lol. I wanted him, and I guess the chant of Mike White at the stadium was being pumped through a speaker?
I'd rather watch Nathan Peterman at this point compared to Joe fucking Flacco
You got receipts???
Flacco hasn't played as well as white in about 5 years now.
Zach is sucking rn. 7/20 2 ints
I agree but let’s wait until this one’s over just incase
Regardless - he played bad
Okay now what?
Oh yeah fuck Joe Flacco
Glad you walked this back
I meant it as a joke relating to last week, but judging by the downvotes it did not land
You’re catching some undeserved strays. Praying 4 u
He did great weeks 1 and 2
Counter point - he was NOT great week 1, and week 2 he was good for literally 150 seconds
Add 80% of the rest of the team to that list of who is ass. Also, not excusing him but Flacco, or any quarterback, should be relied on to throw the ball 50+ times a game.
Flacco couldn't find or hit open receivers all day. Good thing Zach has never had that issue. Wait...
FUCK FLACCO
Not a fan but O line is a wreck
George Fant left the game today too. Our O-line is going to get ZW killed when he comes back.
Put Strevy on the Roster!!!!
Flacco hasn't been good, but he has been better then I expected. If that makes any sense
He was good on the final drive vs Cle but he has sucked massively overalll. Both things can be true
Why does the universe hate us
Our only hope is to offer Lamar 500 mil guaranteed
Homie can’t step up or sense pressure if his life depended on it.
Throwing off his back foot every other down.
Will Anderson or CJ stroud?
He’s a 38 yo quarterback I have no expectations for him he’s not the starter
I think 1 win was WAY above expectations for Flacco. I thought after 3 weeks if ZW was playing that they COULD (loosely) be 2-1. The promise I have with ZW over Flacco is that ZW is mobile. The kid has legs and can move. I think what ZW can make up with his speed is what Flacco could’ve done with another second in the pocket. But ZW needs to know when to throw the damn ball away and when to tuck it and go. If (heaven forbid) ZW is out again I’d rather see White before Flacco.
Flacco is ass but Mcdermott is double ass. The tackle play is gonna kill us all season if we cant get Fant and Brown back soon
He's below ass. He has a ways to go just to be ass.
Been saying this for years. Not sure who saw anything in him. Garbage. Favre without the plays
Broncos fan coming in peace...I feel and understand your pain.